predictions are not out of the realm. >> yeah. congressman rob grijalva good to have you on "the ed show." >> thank you, ed i appreciate it. >> of course, i would hope that the right wing's analysis would go much further than a snowball, but apparently it doesn't. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al smarten begins right now. good evening rev. >> good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. we start tonight with breaking news. president obama speaking out about a controversial speech to congress tomorrow from the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. he was invited, netanyahu was, to give that speech by house republicans without consulting the president. that snub has led to major political and diplomatic tensions both here in the u.s. and in israel. >> as a matter of policy we think it's a mistake for the

prime minister of any country to come to speak before congress a few weeks before they're about to have an election. it makes it look like we are taking sides. i think those who offer the invitation and some of the commentators who have said this is the right thing to do, it's worth asking them whether when george w. bush had initiated the war in iraq and democrats were controlling congress if they had invite invited, let's say, president of france to appear before congress to criticize, or to air those disagreements, i think most people would say, well, that wouldn't be the right thing to do. >> today netanyahu tried to downplay the mess in a speech to a pro-israel group in washington. >> my speech is not intended to show any disrespect to president obama or the esteemed office that he holds. i have great respect for both.

the last thing that i would want is for israel to become a partisan issue and i regret that some people have misperceived my visit here this week as doing that. >> tomorrow netanyahu is expected to talk about how he opposes a possible deal with iran over its nuclear program. but some democrats are still furious about speaker boehner's snub to the president. >> i do not want to see the congress of the united states being used as a prop or a photo opportunity in his re-election campaign. >> bibi says he speaks for all jews. does he speak for you? >> no he doesn't speak for me on this. he doesn't at all -- >> does that bother you when he says he speaks for all jews? >> yeah, i think it's a rather arrogant statement. >> you don't do this in the house of representatives. it's wrong to do it. a lot of people are not going to be there. >> so far, at least 53 democrats

have said they will skip the speech. and boehner's gamble is not just backfiring here it's creating major problems for netanyahu in israel, too. 180 retired israeli generals have denounced the speech. >> what mr. netanyahu is doing now by doing to washington and approach the congress above the head of the administration above the head of president obama, is a big mistake, and a wrong step. netanyahu ruins the israeli/american relations. >> today, president obama's ambassador to the u.n. samantha power, said the u.s. will always have israel's back. >> you may also have heard lately of tension in the

relationship between the united states and israel. we believe firmly that israel's security and the u.s./israel partnership transcends politics. and it always will. >> joining me now are congresswoman jan schakowsky democrat from illinois. she is not attending tomorrow's speech. and dana milbank from the "washington post" who just wrote about the controversy today. thank you, both for being here. >> thank you ref rapidverend. >> thank you. >> congresswoman, let me ask you, why do you think it's important not to attend the prime minister's speech tomorrow? >> you know, the house of representatives is probably the most prestigious venue in the world for someone to speak, and now it is being used strictly for partisan political reasons. john boehner didn't consult with the white house, consulted only with the republicans to set this

up for his own partisan political reasons. that's very dangerous for the state of israel. it's not good as a jew, i say, for the united states either. and beyond that the intention of the speech is to undermine the president and the -- our allies their efforts in order to make sure that iran does not have a nuclear weapon. and my question is what are the alternatives? seems to me a likely one is war with iran if we don't have a negotiated agreement. >> you say to undermine the president's strategy in terms of iran and his -- but you say he's doing it for political partisan reasons. you're talking about his election two weeks from now at home in israel? >> well i was mainly thinking about john boehner, but certainly the timing is not appropriate for the prime minister, either. in his last election he used an ad that was taken on the floor

of the house of representatives showing people standing and clapping and with the tag line "when the prime minister speaks the world listens." so he's certainly done it before. he may be doing it again. i don't want to be part of that. >> now, dana this is not normal. this is not -- >> no. >> -- regular procedure for a head of state to come to this country without being invited by the president. this is unusual. >> no of course reverend. it is extraordinary that this has happened. it's clearly an effort by john boehner and the prime minister to make president obama look impotent in his negotiations with iran to undermine that but it's backfired and had the opposite effect and you've seen the democrats really rally around the president. it's probably weakened the case to impose new sanctions. now you have the very real possibility that netanyahu is going it look over to his right on the democratic side tomorrow and see, you know a lot of

empty seats and get self-conscious and maybe pop some altoids or something to bring it back. >> backfire, you where today, "this all will likely backfire by firming democratic assistance to more iran sanctions, and in the long run by politicizing u.s./israeli relations." why is this political move going to backfire dana? >> well in the short term, as i say, a lot of the democrats who had been interested in tougher sanctions against iran are saying, okay well we want to hold off on that until these negotiations are complete and that's, i think, a direct response to what netanyahu is doing, but in the long term you could see it at aipac today. i was there in the hall and it really has the feeling that you know, the aipac lobby has gone very heavily conservative, very heavily republican. a lot of american jews don't agree with that. it's split the american jewish

community. and as you were just reporting on that there's had a similar effect in israel. this won't by itself destroy the u.s./israeli relationship, but it's very unusual for each other to get involved in each other's domestic politics. >> but talking about how it -- the reaction congresswoman, and i mean i think it's a pretty strong word that dana used saying this was done to make the president look impotent. and then when you look at the fact that the prime minister tried to back away from it today and then speaker boehner says he's surprised the white house was so upset. listen to this. >> what i do wonder is why the white house feels threatened because the congress, that wants to support israel and wants to hear what a trusted ally has to say. it has been, frankly, remarkable to me to the extent to which over the last five or six weeks

the white house has attacked the prime minister attacked me for wanting to hear from one of our closest allies. >> but congresswoman, if he was surprised at the white house reaction, then why did he keep it from the white house if he didn't think the white house would have some questions or concerns? i mean he even had some justification as to why he didn't tell the white house. now he's surprised? >> yes, really the reaction by the white house has been mostly against john boehner, not against netanyahu. and if they wanted that is boehner and netanyahu wanted to communicate concerns about the negotiation, probably the worst way to do it is to do it in this ultra public setting. clearly the idea is to go around the president to make the case that this is a bad deal which by the way, has not been completed yet.

we don't know all the things that are in there, and the intention of this negotiation is to avoid a war. i think the americans are war wary, and for me that's really the most important consideration, that we get an agreement that keeps iran from having a bomb. there's no light between israel and the united states on that. >> that's important. you know, dana, just so we're clear, the united states and israel both want to keep iran from getting nuclear weapons. that's not the conflict. this all centers on iran's nuclear negotiations. the u.s. wants to keep iran from having a nuclear weapon. it wants regular inspections and it wants iran to get rid of enriched uranium. iran wants nuclear power for civilians and wants the u.s. to ease economic sanction. >> right. >> the president says if this works, it's the best way to keep

iran from having a pucknuclear weapon. watch this. >> i'm confident if in fact a deal is arrived at it's going to be a deal that is most likely to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. if they do agree to it it would be far more effective in controlling their nuclear program than any military action we could take, any military action israel could take and far more effective than sanctions will be. >> congresswoman, i see you nodding. is this not the plan and are we risking it with moves like what the prime minister is doing with mr. boehner? >> you know, i remember and i saw recently people would be wise to look at the prime minister's speech before congressional committee in 2002 urging us to go to war with iraq and to take out saddam hussein. and saying that actually that there would be enormous positive repercussions in the region if

we did that. and that our problem was that we had to go to war with our inner weakness, that is our weakness to -- and reluctance to actually take the necessary step to go to war. so this isn't the first time we've heard benjamin netanyahu do this come and ask us essentially, i think, to go to war. >> well what dana i think we want the best terms, i think we want the best protection for everyone but i'm certain that this may not be the best way to do this. >> well, look i mean very plainly, netanyahu does not believe the assurances of the obama administration and what samantha power again said today that iran will not be allowed to get a nuclear weapon. when it comes down to it if you don't take that course, highly unlikely sanctions does it by itself so it becomes a matter of, well when does the bombing begin? >> well, i think that boehner has tried a move that is not only backfiring for him, it probably will backfire for prime minister netanyahu. but what the real concern is it

doesn't backfire for the process of trying to reach the goal of some kind of real negotiations with iran to stop them from having these nuclear weapons. congresswoman schakowsky dana milbank, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> ranks, reverend. coming up was it excessive force? a deadly killing from the los angeles police was caught on tape. >> [ bleep ]. >> he's got my gun. he's got my gun. [ gunshots ] >> whoa! oh, my god! plus newly released e-mails sent years before jihadi john joined isis reveal a man with suicidal thoughts. and the most dramatic video you'll see today. a sky diver has a seizure free

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>> most days. friday wasn't a whole lot of fun, but most days. >> friday wasn't all that fun. friday was terrible. speaker boehner couldn't get his own party to vote to keep the department of homeland security running. they finally passed a one-week budget just hours before the department would have run out of money. it was a disaster but this weekend, boehner and his team tried to downplay the whole thing. >> we do have some members who disagree from time to time over the tactics that we decide to employ. >> we have difference of opinion in strategy and tactics. >> our members have a lot of differences on how maybe we want to go about tactics. >> they've got those lines down. and guess who they blamed? president obama. >> our goal is to fight this president's illegal actions on immigration. >> this president has created this frustration. >> we all want to do things that

stop the president from his illicit activities. >> well, that's the -- >> it's a good set of talking points. now all they've got to do is figure out how to govern. joining me now is salon.com's joan walsh. thank you for being here. >> thanks rev. thanks for having me. >> joan if speaker boehner can't get his members to vote for homeland security can he do anything? >> no, i don't think he can do anything. and i -- you know i really think that they put that vote on the floor, they thought that they had the vote. they've done this time and again, rev, where they try a compromise with their members but strangely they come up short. they have to turn to nancy pelosi to get anything done. and so i think that this idea that they are only disagreeing on tactics, no, they've got to caucus in their caucus a small caucus, that doesn't believe that government should work, that is really comfortable shutting down the department of homeland security which can't help but harm our security and

possibly even affect the border which is so preposterous. that is a real difference, and until they stand up to those people nothing is going to get done. >> you know what struck me the "wall street journal" -- >> yeah. >> -- was out with a really tough editorial on the situation today. the "wall street journal." >> saw it. >> it was headlined "squandering a gop majority." it says "a majority in congress is a terrible thing to waste, but only two months into their largest majority since the 1920s, republicans are well on their way." i mean it's this bad two months in. how much worse can it get, joan? >> well it can only get worse. never say that, rev. we've said it before and there's a bottom they find a new bottom to the bottom. so that can still happen. but, right i mean speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell said we're going to take over we're going to show the nation that we're going to govern. mcconnell said we don't want to be scary, we don't want to scare people. and now they're in danger of

letting the department of homeland security close. that is carescary and they can't show that they have a way to govern that they have a way -- >> it's really no surprise because he can't handle these conservatives conservatives conservativeses. he's been whining and complaining about this for a long time. the far right contingent in congress, he can't manage them, can't handle them. >> he can't handle them. i think it's kind of preposterous. i don't see them mount a challenge to him that really matters. yeah, they ran three candidates against him earlier this year. eric cantor is gone. i mean there's nobody that i see them coalescing around. they could possibly make common cause with democrats, but i don't see democrats doing that. so what is he really afraid of besides being criticized you know, on right wing social media? >> but let's take congressman peter king for example. he's gone even further. listen to this. >> i said the other night at the

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police say he was fighting back after a reported burglary. the man was wrestled to the ground and tasered. i have to warn you, the footage is disturbing. >> [ bleep ]. >> drop the gun. [ gunshots ] >> whoa! oh my god! >> at a press conference today, the police chief said the man's actions led to the shooting. >> while on the ground and struggling with the officers, the man forcibly grabbed one of the officers' holstered pistols resulting in an officer-involved shooting. >> and just breaking tonight, three officers involved in the shooting have been placed on paid leave. faith, based on what you saw, was it excessive force? >> well, you can't see -- i can't tell from the video

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didn't see that. >> right. >> we don't know what closer examination of the tape is going to snow. >> well, it also in this case at least two of the officer were part of a pilot program in l.a. and they were wearing body cameras. this is going to be one of the first cases where we see what the outcome is going to be with the use of these body cameras in a case like this because that's what you're going to be looking for. if there was evidence -- this officer does stay on the tape, put the gun down, or drop the gun, is there evidence to support him? is there video graphic evidence to support what he's saying? all right. now to a story a lot of people are talking about today. the city of cleveland is blaming a 12-year-old boy for his own death. last november, cleveland police shot and killed tamir rice while he was playing with a toy pellet gun. surveillance video shows police shoot and kill rice less than two seconds after arriving on the scene. now in response to a lawsuit from the family the city of cleveland charges in a court

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this defense in this case i think is a little bit inappropriate and that's why you're seeing this big reaction and you're seeing an actual apology from the mayor -- >> right. >> -- while the legal courts are evaluating whether or not this is the defense that's going to be used effectively and appropriately. >> now, the video that we're watching is him waving the toy gun before they got there. >> right. >> but when they got there, in two seconds, he was shot. and it is a state where you can have open gun, as paul said. now, while the mayor did apologize, as paul said for the language in the filing he went on to say they stand by their claims. watch this. >> our law department will be filing an amended complaint, amended answer to the complaint that will deal with insensitivity of the language and the characterization that we use, but also at the same time

preserve the defense. >> so they'll change the language, faith, but they still claim the 12-year-old boy caused his own death. >> well these are lawyers doing their job, right? what is this really about? any admission on their part -- this is a multimillion dollar lawsuit filed against the city. they have to defend. if they don't raise these defenses now, they could waive them further down the road. they're going to raise whatever they can right now. they know this is a case that will probably be settled. and they will have to settle out of court. there's going to be a payment made. any admission by them will be used against them later on. here you have a case where you have a police officer who was forced to resign from another force who's now on this police force. responds to a phone call a 911 call about someone waving a gun. the caller actually says it's probably a toy gun. that message somehow isn't related to these officers. he pulls up and shoots and fires and it ends up being a

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it's time now for "conversation nation." joining me tonight, senior digital editor of "ebony," jamila. josh epps. and democratic strategist tara dowdell. thank you all for being here tonight. >> thanks. >> thanks, rev. >> we're learning disturbing new details about the suspected cold-blooded isis killer known as jihadi john who was just unmasked. here is a new picture of mohammed emwazi as a teen. the years leading up to his radicalization. and tonight, newly published e-mails sent to a british reporter have five years ago revealed he knew authorities were closing in and it drove him to paranoid suicidal thoughts. in one he wrote, "sometimes i feel i'm a dead man walking.

i'll take as many pills as i can so that i can sleep forever. i just want to get away from these people." in another he wrote, "i feel like a prisoner only not in a cage, but in london. a person imprisoned and controlled by security servicemen." josh, these are amazing insights into the man who is now one of the most-wanted men in the world. >> yeah. i mean, it goes to show that it's not fun to be spied on by the security services but i think the wrong conclusion would be that we shouldn't spy on people and we shouldn't pay attention to him because in hindsight, the security services have been vindicated and he has gone on to be what we know him to be. it's tricky difficult, how you strike the balance between not alienateing communities on hand and getting plenty of intelligence on the other hand. on this case we dropped the ball. >> if they had that much pressure on him, did they slip through their hands?

how come they didn't grab him before something happen? >> that's something for the security forces to answer. we worry about surveillance communities which is something that happens. we've seen human rights, civil rights violated by police and security forces across the world. you were actually watching this person. this wasn't an innocent person. he went on to do horrible things. where is he? >> you can't arrest him for wanting to do horrible things. you can only arrest him for doing horrible things. >> if he was under surveillance, at what point did they know he was doing something and was in motion? as jamila said, we've seen people who do nothing and have to go through horrific experiences. >> we need this type of information onlying out. we need to better understand and develop strategies around the type of individuals committing these crimes. some of the stuff we know. there are certain dynamics that exist amongst people that commit these crimes. we don't have a full picture. we are to have a full picture.

whether it be jihadis or gang members, there's a lot of similar traits and lot of similar dynamic and realities that go on in those folks' lives. while at the same time not, you know assuming that because someone fits a certain description that they are going to be violent. all right. now to a "saturday night live" sketch sparking controversy. it's a spoof on a car commercial where the dad says good-bye to his daughter as she leaves home for the military. but this time there was a twist. >> you be careful, okay? >> dad, it's just isis. >> now, many took to social media to criticize the isis parody for being in poor taste, but the "snl" cast member who plays the dad tweeted, qut"proud of this freedom to mock is our greatest weapon." jamila, is it funny or is it in

poor taste? i mean did to go too far? what do you think? >> i didn't think it was funny. that's my personal opinion. what's good taste and bad taste can be debateds but i think about this. is the risk worth it? my office is a block away from here on the other side of rockefeller center so if somebody wants to retaliate for this, because we know that this is an organization and a group of people that are so committed to what they believe, and so against the idea of this freedom of speech that they punish us for doing things that we take for granted. i don't want to be sitting in the ebony offices and lose my life because somebody thought it was funny to play fast and loose with isis. >> isn't this precisely the point? the whole point of free speech. he can't allow the parameters of our national conversation to be dictated by a violent voice in the room. unless we want to live in a world in which north korean dictators and islamists fascists are the ones who determine what we can and can't say, what jokes we can and can't tell whom we do and do not mock then the price of free speech is taking that risk. >> we could have a whole other debate on the sony hacks, but tara, i think that the real

question here is as some raised on social media, what about the families of people who saw their loved ones slaughtered by isis? how do they view this? >> well obviously this pushes the boundary of good taste. i think that's clear. but i would say this. the whole point -- i'm agreeing with josh here -- the whole point of this is to mock isis and what they want is to make us scared. they want to instill fear in us. that's the point of terrorism. so this spoof, funny or not, it pushes back and shows we are not afraid. and so i think they want to drag us into war, josh and i had this conversation earlier, they want to drag us into war. that's what they want. this actually hurts them. >> comedy has been poking at people a long time. everybody stay with me. we'll be right back with the incredible rescue thousands of feet in the air. what would you have done? ♪ at kraft we start with

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should the portrait come down now? >> well i -- i mean if the president wants the portrait down the former president, then maybe they should honor his wishes. now, the problem is the president is saying he didn't -- well, the president is saying he didn't ask for it the museum saying he didn't ask for the portrait to come down. >> because the shadow is supposed to represent the blue dress. >> well, i can't imagine that even though the museum is saying that the president didn't ask for it to come down i can't imagine he doesn't want that to come down. it's just -- it's going to be a reminder to people now when people look at it. the artist revealed it. >> but, josh he commissioned his artist. >> also you need to know the story in order to spot that as a blue dress. i was looking at it going, there's a blue dress in there? where's the blue dress? >> now we know the story. >> it's interesting that the artist didn't see fit to leave that in history and write it in a journal in 50, 60 years from now people discovered that. he wanted the intention right now. i think that's incredible. >> going into to2016 he's going to get maximum intention.

i'm sure the republicans will be doing tours at the gallery. >> he said it's the metaphor of the shadowy side of bill clinton, he's the most famous liar in the world. he's trying to insert some kind of statement in there. >> not a kind of guy you commission. >> no. now to a dramatic video of a sky dive in australia. christopher jones had the midair scare of his life. 22 seconds after free falling, something goes wrong. he started convulsing and flipped over on to his back. having a seizure. it was 9,000 feet in the air. and blacked out. eventually the instructor was able to grab him and release his parachute. jones regained consciousness about 3,000 feet above ground and remarkably landed safely. josh have you ever seen anything like this? >> well i have been sky diving in australia, and doing it once is enough for me even in the absence of being epileptic and having a seizure. i would just say if you are

epileptic, maybe don't go sky diving. i don't mean to be callous, but probably foolhardy. >> tara? >> this is the reason i would never go sky diving. it was something that i considered at one point and i am now -- i know know that i'm of my right mind to not go sky diving. >> scary. jamila? >> i'm keeping my feet planted firmly on the ground forever. >> apparent there was a remote control thing. they have a backup here. it is possible once people see that this is happening to trigger it. >> it was quick thinking by the instructor. a lot of people calling him a hero, no doubt about it. >> oh, yeah. >> really the man on the spot. jamila, josh and tara thank you all for joining me tonight on "conversation nation." straight ahead, what did president obama's task force on policing say today? that's next. about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira giving me new perspective. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years.

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more than law enforcement, themselves. >> president obama earlier today meeting with the white house task force on policing. today they released their interim report with recommendations for how to improve relations between police and the communities they serve. it calls for independent investigations into all police-related shootings. a key point after the eric garner and michael brown cases. it's something we in the civil rights community have been talking about for years. also in the report recommendations on the use of new technology, such as body cameras and full reporting on all police-involved shootings to the federal government. >> the moment is now for us to make these changes. we have a great opportunity coming out of some great conflict and tragedy to really

transform how we think about community law enforcement relations so that everybody feels safer, and our law enforcement officers feel rather than being embattled, feel fully supported. >> the report is a valuable first step, but there's more to be done. real lasting change has to be the goal. movements are about drama and bringing attention, but it must result in real change. otherwise it is not a movement. it's a moment. we've had movements all kinds around these issues. but now we must also have change and the movement must go until recommendations are enforced. federal oversight is important. independent prosecutors are important because it protects both the police and the citizens. we cannot continue to go from

case to case without real change and we cannot forget the families that seek real justice. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. bibi or not bibi? that's the question. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. ground zero in a historic challenge now set for 1:00 11:00 tomorrow morning to president obama's leadership of this country, in an act of backroom partnership, speaker john boehner made an under the table deal. whatever everyone thinks of bibi netanyahu, he's not here to bring unity to american policymaking. he'll use charm and references to wartime