an interesting thing to me. people that watched this case it feels like the wins and the momentum to the extent there is such a thing for a supreme court case are shifting for the precise reasons that michael articulated. thank you both. that is "all in" for this evening. rachel maddow show starts right now. >> great to have you back. >> good to be back. thank you for staying with us the next hour. a lot going on in the world. a, chris hayes is back and the controversial address to congress by the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. that address is tomorrow. washington is in a full-scale tizzy over that right now. we will have more on that ahead. after congress threw themselves a week-long lifeline on friday night, we are back again in a situation where the homeland security department may run out of funding at the end of the week. that's still happening. 2016 politics got slightly cram scrambled on both sides of the aisle with foreign policy proving to be confusing to the upper tiers of the republican

field and a surprise brand new development screwing with the prevailing dynamics on the democratic side. that was a surprise development today. tonight for the interview, we have here in the studio a legitimate political genius. unless you are this man's friend or family member or somebody who works with him odds are you have never heard of him. he is my nominee for the single most consequential partisan actor in american politics in the last five years. nobody's ever heard of him. but he is here tonight for the interview. i'm really excited about that. a lot going on in the world and in the forthcoming hour. we start tonight with what maybe a silver lining to this very, very dark cloud. you will remember that this video was posted on-line late on thursday. last week. showing isis fighters laying siege to the main museum in iraq's second largest city of mosul, using sledgehammers and drills and anything they could

get their hands on shows isis fighters and supporters destroying statues and icons priceless cultural heritage of some of the earliest civilizations on earth. dating back thousands of years. this footage, i have seen it ten, 11 or 12 times and it is still difficult for me to watch this. especially with the voiceover and these isis guys on camera bragging about what they are destroying knowing how valuable it is and talking with glee how happy they are to be destroying it all. i said there is a silver lining. the silver lining maybe that some experts who have watched this footage since it came out they now say they believe much of what you can see being destroyed in the video is not real. it is not the original artifacts. give away appears in some stills like this one. you see some sort of odd lines there? you can see a dark sort of a spine inside the statue they

have toppled over? what that appears to be the straight lines in that picture, that appears to be rebar, like the bars you see on construction sites when they are working with concrete. rebar is a modern construction material, not an ancient one. and that rebar, coupled with the way that some of the statues basically pulverize when hit by a hammer or knocked over those factors imply that many of these objects that isis is seen destroying in this video are not the original artifacts. they are actually reproductions of these priceless mess poe tamian objects. it is rebar and plasst plaster instead of the original stone carvings. yes, sadly some of what they are seen destroying in the video does appear to be real. experts have singled out these shots that were taken out doors showing what appears to be isis fighters, one guy with a hammer and another with a reciprocating saw hacking off pieces of a very

large statue. that does appear to be real. what this is they are destroying appears to be an ancient preislamic statue of a hybrid between a bull and a man. a giant hybrid winged dietty. that statue is not at the mosul museum. it is thought to be in the ancient city of nineva. many other seen apoor to be models. in many cases, the reason the mosul museum would have a model of an artifact, a reproduction instead of the original is the original would have been shipped off to the iraqi national museum, which is in baghdad. some of these plaster casts that we saw isis destroying the original statue, the original object that the plaster casts were made from is not in mosul, which is occupied isis and where

they destroyed the stuff in the museum. it is in the capital city of iraq, the national museum of bag tad for safekeeping and it's hard for us as americans, to think of the national museum in baghdad as the place anything would be kept for safekeeping because of what they are famous for shamefully in the west. the museum is most famous here because of the inexplicable decision by the bush administration to leave it unguarded and open to looters after the u.s. invaded iraq in 2003 and overthrew the iraqi government. the fact the u.s. was going to invade was not a secret. the bush administration telegraphed, threatened and promised it months and months before they did. the iraq invasion in 2003 was a war of american choice. it started on an announced american timetable. they could go whenever they wanted to. because of that because they telegraphed the war was going to

start, archaeologists and curators around the world warned the bush administrationing and the pentagon specifically of how important that museum was if baghdad was going to get invaded. at the time they thought they had convinced the bush administration and the military that that baghdad museum was an important site to protect when the invasion happened. they expected it to be protected. they were shocked when no such protection was offered. the site was left abandoned and looted. >> some of the losses are priceless. staff at baghdad's antiquities museum blamed u.s. troops for not protecting treasures. this man wept and claimed that antiquities worth billions of dollars had been destroyed. dana lewis, nbc news baghdad. >> that was april 2 -- 2003.

once it was looted the u.s. response to that looting was, no big deal. why does everybody care so much? >> the images you are seeing on television you are seeing over and over and over. it's the same picture of some person walking out of some building with a vase. you see it 20 times. you think my goodness were there that many vases? is it possible that there were that many vases in the whole country? >> it really is hilarious. donald rumsfeld defense secretary to george w. bush. in fact, in the end, more than 15,000 items were looted from the iraqi national museum. although donald rumsfeld thought it was all hilarious. u.s. war planners never decided to protect it.

the iraqi government said they have recovered a third of the items looted 12 years ago during the invasion. they have been patiently restoring the items and the museum itself. and after being shut for 12 years the iraqi national museum in baghdad was due to reopen soon. but then this weekend, after isis posted this video of their destruction inside of the museum in mosul, in iraq's second largest city this partly real partly famed destruction of iraq's cultural heritage, that the group revelled in showing everyone. after isis posted this on thursday, the iraqi government made a very interest ing decision. they decided this weekend they were going to move up the reopeningening of the iraqi museum in baghdad. it wasn't due to open but now it is open. if isis was trying to provoke, get a rise out of people by taking sledgehammers to museum pieces they succeeded in getting a rise out of iraq. look at what happened all in one

day yesterday. look at this. this is yesterday, sunday in iraq. the new prime minister of iraq announcing the surprise early reopening of the iraqi national museum. first time it has been open in 12 years. he showed up personally to cut the ribbon and allow the public in for the first time since the invasion of iraq. he said at the opening the reason the museum was reopening is because of isis. because of what those savages did to the museum in mosul and iraq's cultural heritage there. he then did part two. yes, this is all yesterday. he goes to the reopening of the museum. announces it is because of isis. he cuts the ribbon and leaves the museum in baghdad. drives an hour and a half north to the city of samarra and personally with all of his commanders launches a new war on isis. we do not know if the timing of this ground operation was also moved up in response to the anger about this video from mosul, but the prime minister of iraq yesterday personally

launched a very, very large iraqi military offensive against the city of tikrit. last summer, you'll remember when isis fighters took over swaths of iraq in a rapid advance across big portions of the country, tikrit was one of the cities they grabbed, and one of the most important cities. they have occupied tikrit for eight months now. as we speak, an estimated force of around 20,000 iraqi soldiers supported also by sunni tribes and shiite militias are fighting to take tikrit from isis. this is the first iraqi military ground operation of its size since those humiliating days last summer when the iraqi military visibly collapsed and its soldiers turned and ran in the face of isis abandoned their uniforms weapons and vehicles and let isis take over big swaths of their country. this is the first big ground operation since then. at least the biggest ground operation since then. of course this is a very are

high-stakes operation. iraq obviously believes by its actions that its military is now strong enough to beat isis, at least in tikrit. but this is a full-on battle for tikrit now. if isis ends up winning, if isis ends up beating the iraqi military again, that would be devastating, right, to the perceived legitimacy of the iraqi government and armed forces. it is a delicate thing. they have to winnow they have gone in on their own terms. what adds to those stakes for the u.s. and what adds to those stakes in all honesty to the political awkwardness to this fight for the u.s. is the force trying to invade tikrit to take tic tikrit back from isis is made up of the iraqi military, sunni tribes and shiite militias but the shiite militias are commanded by iran a. the general who heads up the revolutionary guard in iran is

personally in iraq working with the iraqi military to coordinate this giant ground offensive that just started in tikrit. so that's the war against isis right now. there's this huge controversy in washington tonight over the israeli prime minister addressing congress tomorrow. basically he is here to try to undermine president obama's policy and strategy toward iran. prime minister netanyahu is doing that trying to undermine president obama on u.s. soil at the u.s. capitol because he's here at the invitation of congressional republicans. so if that was not fraught enough, the fight against isis the physical flesh and blood bullets flying fight waged tonight is being fought to a significant extent by iran. iran, who is supposedly our great enemy, but who in this case is if not an ally at least they are a friend of a friend. and there are other things going on right now with isis in the fight against them.

supporters of the group this weekend apparently declared war on twitter, not that declared war on somebody else using twitter but declared war against twitter. they asked isis supporters worldwide to attack twitter employees and interests. they singled out one of the company's cofounders because they said isis fighters are so mad about having their accounts deactivated and taken down by the country. that's worrying. and slightly hopeful news about the syria christians taken hostage by iraq last week. this is the group thought to be 200, 220 syrian christians taken by isis. these christians are not fighters. this is women, kids old people families who have been taken hostage. this weekend with to a lot of people's surprise isis decided to free some of those christian captives, 19 of them specifically and we don't know why or if that means more of the christians will be freed anytime soon but at least that happened.

so there's a lot going on about isis and the fight against them. there a lot of inexplicable stuff going on and a lot of stuff we don't know how it will work out. one question is whether washington worked in to a frenzy over this visit by prime minister netanyahu and america's negotiations with iran whether this all encompassing upset in the beltway with makes washington more able orrer less able to press american interest s both in this troubled region and around the world. joining us now is nbc foreign correspondent. can we talk about the importance of this offensive in tikrit. i said it appears to be the largest ground offensive since the devastating gains by isis last summer. is that fair to say it is that big. >> this is 20,000 troops backed by sunni tribesman and it is an effort to take one of the largest cities. it goes to the point of why it is an important test for the

iraqi government. one it is a test to see if they can clear it out, meaning they can push isis fighters out, regain control of the city and a test of the iraqi government's ability to assert its sovereignty once it cleared the city out. those are two big if questions. you have to remember over the past several years there's been tremendous marginalizeation. if the iraqi government returns, they get police up and running, schools up and running hospitals, they have to show they are winning the hearts and minds of the sunni iraqis as much as the battle to clear out isis. that's a test when it comes time to retake mowsul. >> in terms of the iraqi government strategy it seems important that it is not just the iraqi military, which is very shia at this point, and not

just the iranian-led shia militia but sunni tribes participating in this. if this they can do it with a she a ya and sunni force it will be seen as a gesture of good faith by the shoo ya millimeters. >> the prime minister addressed it in the visit when he left baghdad and went to the front line so to speak. he called on the sunni fighters who had joined isis effectively saying to them if you have been tricked by joining isis we will pardon you. this is your last chance. put down your weapons. come back in the fold. the people of tikrit have been deceived. he used the language to bring back the iraqi people of tikrit in to the fold of the central government. he knows he has to do that politically and rebuild the part of the government that has been marginalized from the central government that has the politics and military been dominated by sectarian rife. >> in terms of the military operation here -- i take your

point that the ultimate answer here, the bottom line here happens much further down the line. it is political. it is about whether or not they can function as a government in a way that wins over their people. in the short term, this military offensive, how important is it how politically unsettling is it, to have iran involved -- not just as support or not just cheering from the sidelines or sending iranian fighters iranian trainers over how important is it for them to be operationally involved in this that is unset ing to the american plil political context in the way we are involved. >> iraq is in a unique position. the two closest allies are enemies. it is backed by the united states but also for the past several years has had tremendous iranian influence, politically, economically, militarily and religiously. a close religious connection between iraq and iran given the fact they are predominantly shia. there have been concerns about

the is shia militias and the behavior of these. the past several years have taught us the rise of shia militias have brought a lot of sectarian rife with them as well. that's a major concern for the united states. are they inadvertently strengthening iran and its influence in iraq? in the long term what has emerged is iran has become a major player in iraqi politics. that's a fact. it cannot be denied. the question is how does this new iraqi prime minister maintain that balance between his close association with the united states and the close affiliation with iran? >> if this one is successful, the next big ground offensive is mosul and then the u.s. and iraqi government will be in a position of thinking how much do we want the iranians involved in the next one. the idea of iranian and u.s.

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sometimes looks can be deceiving. this was a bill signing inside the oval usa this past november. as you see president obama at his desk, next to him at roughly the same height. while she stands and he sits is barbara mccull cole study. they may not be fooift feet tall, may seem small at a glance but looks can be seefing. >> i will tell you what i'm tired of hearing somehow we are too emotional when we talk. when we raise an issue, we're too emotional. well, i am emotion al. it brings tears to my eyes to know how women every single day are working so hard and are getting paid less. it makes me emotional to hear that. i'm going to be blunt which will be no surprise to you, sir, but

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this, this was the guy i picked. he's here for the interview tonight. he is my nominee for the unsung political genius of our time and there's a specific reason i picked him for that. this is it. before the obama's presidency there was a landslide congressional election in 1994 when the republicans and newt gingrich slayed the democrats in the first midterm of the bill clinton presidency. they beat them so badly in '94 the metaphors started failing. republicans picked up 54 house seats in that election. astonishing. best they have done in 50 years. in 2010 they even beat that. the 1994 midterm had been a pick up of 54 seats. in 2010 first midterm of the obama presidency republicans picked up 63 seats in the house. that's how john boehner became speaker. they had a huge year in terms of winning seats in congress. but that was nowhere near their biggest victory that year.

leading up to the 2010 election a group started a project they called the redistricting majority project or red map for short. for this red map project they started to raise a bunch of money. red map was not formally affiliated with the republican party but at arms length organizationally speaking. so red map, separate from everything else the party was doing publicly to do well in the 2010 elections separate from that it was the job of red map to try to win in the states. and to get more specific than that their plan what they were designed to do was to flip as many state legislatures as possible from democratic control to republican control. from blue to red. state legislatures, state houses, state senate s. after the census is done every ten years, state legislatures get to redraw election districts, both for themselves

like for state senate seats, legislative districts and congressional districts. anybody with good voter data and free reign to draw the maps can redraw the maps to see if the elect person elected will be a democrat or republican. so 2010 census year was a key year to try to take control of state legislatures because if you could do that you not only control policy in those states, which is a nice thing, you would control how many democrats and republicans each of those states sent to congress for a decade. so the first genius moment is recognizing the opportunity here. first midterm elections after you get a new president, barring something strange happening, the first midterms when you get a new president are always good for the other party, the party that doesn't control the white house. republicans knew they were going to do well in 2010. recognizing that recognizing that with the right strategy they could turn that in to a

much bigger victory in the states that would basically guarantee they would control congress for a decade. that was a genius moment of recognizing the political leverage there. then there was transforming that idea in to an actual plan to do it. so there's this little group that very few people have heard of, the republican state leadership committee and they go to work with this red map idea and they raise money nationally from deep pocketed but fairly typical republican donors. they raise a little over $30 million for the quiet project. instead of applying the money to congressional races and governors races around the country, the kind of races that get the attention and goen donors, partisan blood pumping, instead of high-profile races that everybody was talking about, what they did at red map is political genius. as a pure political move it was a visionary thing. they put that big money, from big ticket republican donors who honestly only had big national

ambitions for what their money could do. they took the big national money and spent it in the most unimaginably obscure races all over the country in very specific strategic ways. the operational genius of the plan was at red map they identified the states that gave their legislatures the most control over the redistricting process. they found the places where they would get the most bang for their buck if they were able to be successful in flipping the legislative chambers from democrat to republican. and they identified the races they could win if they tried. little state rep states and state senator seats that could be flipped from democratic to republican with just the right amount of well-timed cash infusions. so they targeted those big ticket dollars to these very, very small ticket races. so for example, like they funneled $1.5 million in to four state senate seats in new york.

they flipped two of the four. congratulations. you just won control of the new york state senate for $1.5 million. they spent $1 million on michigan house races. that was enough to pick up 20 seats. 1.5 to the alabama republican party, when properly targeted was enough to flip enough seats the house and senate flipped from republican to democratic control for the first zim time since the reconstruction area after the civil war. on an average fund-raising day right now jeb bush literally raises that much money before lunchtime in one day. that was enough to get the whole state. one of the biggest coups for red map in 2010 was wisconsin where they thought it was worth the investment to topple the senate majority leader, russ decker. he was a fixture in wisconsin. even in a red year it did not seem like a guy like russ decker

could lose. but then again he had run run in a race where red map for its own reasons was going to spend $500,000 on that race in the last two weeks before the election. so yeah, russ decker lost and that seat became a republican seat. i don't know if you know this but i'm a liberal. and i think the republican takeover in the states has been terrible. basically across the board in terms of policy consequences because i dobt don't tend to like republican policies. i'm also a civics dork who thinks that districting shouldn't be drawn for political reasons for safe seats for democrats or republicans. so on the merits the story, as a matter of practice though the thought, planning execution of a political plan to have the biggest, most long standing impact without a huge outlay of resources and without your

opponents ever caught to what you were doing until you had done it and they woke up the next morning that you skrud them for not one day, one year or a decade least. when it comes to political genius, i here by maintain this is nothing comparable in the last five years in american electoral politics at least, probably considerably longer than that is anything like this. if democrats would wave a magic wand and undo the political work of one person in the past five years, it would be the red map guy, right? it would be our next guest. if i were a republican i'd be lobbying to put this guy's face on the penny. joining us for "the interview" is former executive director of red map. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> i have a feeling you are embarrassed by the compliment. >> incredibly. at least my kids now know what i do for a living. i think you explained it perfectly. >> put it in a time capsule in case you do anything bad in the

future. at least you have been this guy. other than complimenting you in a way that makes you uncomfortable, did i do anything wrong explaining it? >> we're not legally allowed to have any affiliation with the rnc but there were groups on the ground and that was the key. there are a lot of great ideas in politics but the ability to execute makes the difference. we had the relationships with the state parties and groups on the ground and we would give them money. if they were good parties we'd give them money quietly. >> they knew which seats would have the leverage. >> the trick was going to the national donors and folks and saying here's an opportunity in the state legislature to what we thought set it up in 2012 to take the u.s. congress. but summer of 2010 we thought we are going to get the house so we thought we will lock it in. >> for a decade. >> i will say there is a is shelf life to these lines. we don't know how long they are.

eventually they do wear off. a little perspective. >> sure. fair enough. >> some of the districts we won in 2010 were won by the democrats in six under lines drawn by republicans in 2000. so political environment trends can overcome that. >> big enough waves. >> you change the structure of the field on which politics is played. >> i'd rather be us than them. >> got it. when you went to national donors about this plan saying we can leverage your national money to do something you can't imagine with it. did you actually spell out for national donors the plan and the way it would work or did you go to donors with whom you had the kind of relationship where you could say trust us. we have a plan, you don't want to know the nitty-gritty but your money will be well sglent those goen donors don't exist anymore in the republican party.

we had chairman gillespie and i walked through targets and explained how we were going to do it and i explained how we were going to take the five first five to ten million and the next and we brought in 20 million in 90 days. amazingly got it out the door. in the ohio house we had ten targets we narrowed down to six. mail, ads polling. we targeted 12 to 15 states that would have the most impact on congressional redistricting and got the money spent. >> in templs of doing that targeting is high-level political math or easy to figure out which of the states which of the states would be the place most worth it to spend your money. >> the same swing areas if you are running for president that you are looking at in ohio are the same places where the swing seats are in the legislative and congressional to some extent. to me it was obvious. we did research and polling.

we worked with partners on the ground. russ decker in wisconsin, senator decker one would touch him. we thought he was beatable and we dropped a half until the last two weeks. >> what was the best bang for your buck out of the states you targeted in terms of it being cheap to get a political return? looking at your data i thought pennsylvania. >> you are right. what folks don't realize is every state chamber has a different number of seats. pennsylvania has one of the biggest houses over 203 seats. arizona, half the size of pennsylvania has 60 house seats. on a per capita basis the seats in pennsylvania have relatively few people which means the cost are relatively low. >> you spend 50 bucks and it shows up. >> 13 million people. working with the house leadership in pennsylvania we spent almost a million dollars. some we gave cash direct ly and took on their stretch goals.

we thought it would be a good year and took on democratic incumbents in western pennsylvania who had never lost ever. and we had extra cash and so we tried and won. it was a great year but i feel like we looked at the map, readjusted our targets and maximized the dollars. >> and blind sided democrats who are trying to come up with a redmap answer for 2020 because they were doing nothing like that in 2010. >> they will be ready next time. >> do you mind if i love you in an airless vault before we leave here tonight and never let you out. >> i'm grateful to work with a great team at the republican state leadership committee and have a great chairman like ed gillespie. >> so i have to lock you up. if you can call them and tell them to meet you somewhere. >> thank you for being willing to talk about this. i think you did something new in politics and you are a humble guy but i don't feel humble about what you did. it is an impressive story.

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