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of jobs ed. it's also loss of wages. these trade deals put downward precious on american wages. >> robert reich, great work and appreciate your time here on "ed et show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. \s. good evening, ed. i'm live tonight from miami. we start with breaking news president obama setting the record straight. after a to criticize the president's strategy for stopping iran it was a speech long on rhetoric but short on specifics, as the president said afterwards. >> i did have a chance to take a look at the transcript.
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as far as i can tell there was nothing new. the prime minister didn't offer any viable alternatives. when we shaped that interim deal, prime minister netanyahu made the almost precise same speech how that dangerous that deal was going ton. even a year later, israeli intelligence officers and in some case members of the israeli government have to acknowledge in fact it has kept iran from further pursuing it's nuclear programs. >> the white house just released this photo, making clear the president was not watches the speech. he's leading a teleconference in the situation room with foreign leaders talking about ukraine. everyone agrees raurniran is a threat and everyone agrees it should not get a nuclear weapons, but the president and the prime minister disagree on how to stop
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it. today netanyahu chose to go on the world stage to criticize the president's potential deal to stop iran's nukes. >> that's why this deal is so bad. it doesn't block iran's path to the bomb. it paves iran's path to the bomb. this is a bad deal. it's a very bad deal. we're better off without it. and to explain why, the prime minister appealed to a basic human emotion -- fear. >> iran could soon be armed with intercontinental ballistic missiles, and bombs, many, many nuclear bombs. iran could have the means to deliver that nuclear arsenal to the far corners of the earth, including to every part of the united states. the foremost sponsor of global terrorism could be weeks away from having enough enriched
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uranium for an entire arsenal of nuclear weapons. we'll face a much more dangerous iran, a middle east littered with nuclear bombs, and a countdown to a potential nuclear nightmare. today, the threats from iran are real but so are the consequences of poor judgment? we have to let facts, not fear guide or decisions. joining me now are congressman brad sherman, who serves on the house foreign affairs committee, and who attended the speech. and congressman johns yarmouth who was one of the 56 democrats who chose not to go. thank you both for being here. >> sure. >> good to be with us. >> did the prime minister offer any real specific alternative to the president's strategy on iran? >> well i was proud that nancy
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pelosi appointed me to the committee to escort the prime minister into the room. is the speech did a very good job of laying out why iran shouldn't have a nuclear weapon. the prime minister brought up some facts that -- and some quotations from the hezbollah leader, et cetera, that i was unfamiliar with but as to a specific program to put more pressure on iran how to redue chinese and indian performs of iranian oil, how to get germany to stop provides spare parts to iranian machinery s. the speech didn't focus on the -- didn't give us an economic road map to use sanctions to put more pressure on iran and without more pressure i don't know whether there's a way to get the iranians to september any better deal than is likely to be negotiated this month.
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>> do you see stand by them, congressman? >> i do. i think what prime minister netanyahu did was to pull directly from the dick cheney playbook try to scare everyone as much as possible into pressuring the administration to abandon these talks. right now we have one of the greatest opportunities we have ever had to put a halt to the project, something we all feel very much committed to. this peach was an effort to undermine that effort. again as you've said and as brad basically admitted and others, there was no alternative offered by prime minister netanyahu. it's just scare people to death and then say, this is not good for us. the problem that this speech -- the entire context was is that we knew what he was going to say.
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he has always been adamantly against the negotiations. made israel and the region much more secure than it was before. he was wrong about that. i think he's wrong now, but again he has to have an alternative. and there is no alternative to the talks that the united states, china, russia germany, francis and the united kingdom are very intimately involved in now. let's see how those talks wind up. let es see what kind of deal can be negotiated. if that's not considered adequate then we have other steps to take. right now we have a great opportunity and we shouldn't let the prime minister undermine that. >> congress ma'am sherman, isn't that really what the president's point was today, that we need specifics, what is the alternative? i mean you know better than anyone the controversy around
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his coming. doesn't he owe it to the members of congress and the world watching some specific alternatives he was proposing? >> he did offer a few alternatives, but not really a complete plan. i would always want to set the record straight under the interim agreement that's governing iran now, they have 9,000 centrifuges spinning as we speak, at natanz another 600 at fordo. they are building a bigger stockpile. they are closing to an eighth or a ninth bomb they're not making progress for the first bomb. so there are aspects that are helpful, but it is by no means stopped or rolled back the iranian program. >> congressman, the deal over iran nukes isn't done yet, but here's what it might look like. limit iran's nuclear fuel
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protection for ten years. remove some of its nuclear equipment, have regular inspections, and in turn we would ease economic sanctions on iran. if this falls through, iran has no reason to stop developing nukes that congressman sherman referred to. shouldn't we give diplomacy a chance, congressman yarmouth? >> of course. one of the unfortunate things was prime minister netanyahu mischaracterized some of the aspects of the deal that we've been briefed about, because he said, for instance if there's a ten-year deal that's not true. all of the inspection regimens that are under way -- in force now would continue basically on an unlimited basis. they're still subject to the nonproliferation agreement, so there are significant restrictions that could succeed the ten years or 15 years, whatever it is. we have -- again, we have an opportunity for the first time
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to actually bring iran into the world of civilize the nations, to get them to agree to halt their nuclear program in exchange for inclusion into the world economy. that would get good thing for all of us. i think it would introduce a new era in iran. 70% to 75% of the people are western oriented. they support western society and culture. we have a real opportunity here. we shouldn't undermine it again with empty rhetoric. when prime minister netanyahu makes statements like this is paving the way to a bomb that nuclear war is inevitable if we go through with this. again, all he's doing is fearmongering to an extent that's kind of unprecedented. congressman sherman, do you want to respond? >> first, you know i'm the former chair of the nonproliferation subcommittee. i get as many classified briefings as many member on the
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foreign affairs committee. the fact is after ten years, there will be no more inspections called for by the treaty plus the additional protocol. that's a good regimen for looking at declared sites, but there wouldn't be the necessary intrusive inspections to find the undeclared sites. after ten years, sneaking around the agreement would be pretty easy for iran. that being said there aren't a lot of good alternatives. george w. bush was president for eight years. you think these genuine male pattern baldness. it isn't. it's me knock i my head against the walls around here and george bush beating me again and again and he refused to enforce the existing sanctions. now because he was a left-wing liberal, but he loved oil companies so much. every sanction under discussion during the first decade of this
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century was ascensioned at oil companies. he prevented us from having any and put us in a position to where iran was very close to a bomb. it is very hard to find a good policy when you go to sleep for the first eight years of this decade. >> i think brad will agree, the difference is we now have five other major superpowers that are helping us impose those sanctions. if it were just the united states sanctions, they wouldn't be nearly as effective if china and russia are cooperating. >> we needed to be where we are now much earlier. >> i need to left it there. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks, al. coming up. breaking news from ferguson. a harsh new justice department report on police racial profiling and bias. what happens next? also speaker boehner is bailed out by democrats again.
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funding. speaker banger turning to democrats to pass a bill that fully funds the agency. for the speaker, it's a total surrender surrender admission that the republicans couldn't -- it's a fight he spent weeks claiming he had already won. 4 we won this fight. the house fought this fight, we won this fight. >> we won the fight, and the are to stop the president's unconstitutional actions. >> actually they didn't win the fight. today's bill doesn't lay a finer on the president's immigration policies. today in a closed-door meeting with house republicans, speaker boehner knew just who to blame
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telling them quote, our republican colleagues in the senate never found a way to win this fight, but over in the senate, a different view. republican rand paul says the fight was a loser from the start. >> when we get to the dhs, is there a winnable legislative battle? i'm not sure exactly if there is a winnable battle. >> for speaker boehner, it's the latest ginned-up crisis, bringing the country to the brink of another shutdown once again ending with an embarrassing defeat after too much wasted time. the bill now heads to the president's desk. joining me now are michelle canto and lauren victoria berg. thanks for both being here s was this alls a question of when he would cave not if? >> i think it became pretty
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clear last week when they couldn't even get a continuing resolution pass he had gone into this without a plan. i don't know what they were thinking they but in the past they've been apt to blame this on senate democrats, now with both houses there's no one finger to point a finger at. the republican party owns this. this was a humiliating defeat. >> lauren are reps waking up to the real limits of the power despite controls both houses of congress? >> who knows? they keep going through this process again and again and seem to want to prove a point that they can hold something up or do something to stop a president, in this case immigration. i'm not sure what the speaker is afraid of. he was voted in as speaker by 221 votes, but he keeps seeming to want to go through this process the agreeing with his
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right flank. i'm not sure why. he chooses not to do that and he keeps losing over and over again. as you saw mitch mcconnell knew it was going to happen and if mitch mcconnell can figure it out three weeks ago, i'm not sure why john boehner can't. >> michelle 167 house republicans voted against this bill and you can't hear how hungry they were to keep fighting. listen to this. >> the president violated the constitution -- >> this is all unconstitutional. >> the unconstitutional unilateral decisions from the president to ignore on you constitution. >> we're voting against our constitution. >> i believe america deserves better. if we're not going to fight now, when are we going to fight? >> i mean michelle they seemed to not like the executive action
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when democratic presidents do it. clearly they just don't get it, but has speaker boehner finally learned his lesson on fighting these doomed battles, do you think? >> look he's very committed to trying to throw the conservative chunk of his conference a bone but at this point, you know mitch mcconnell warned all of the house members at the retreat several weeks ago that there are limitations to what can get through the senate. all that happened was that a conservative bloc took it as a challenge and like we're going to ram this through regardless. there seems to be a fundamental lack of understanding of how government actually works. >> it does seem to be la lack of understanding, lauren. you just heard some of the far, far right congressmen. they had just don't get it. is this the problem boehner is having to deal with it?
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they just seem to be oblivious to the reality of the limits of power. >> that's exactly right, rev. i'm not quite issue -- we saw the quote of talking loud and saying nothing. they huffed and puffed but in the end, nancy blowsi boxed them in. she basically created a situation where she would only pass what she had the votes to help them with and she played them, and played them like a fiddle played them well. there's no other way to say this. that is why the speaker is doing this on the day that nettenia howard nettenia howard is here. >> time and time again the house democrats have rescued boehner, where most republicans wouldn't go along with hem. in 2013 172 democrats helped him avoid the disastrous fiscal cliff, and 179 democrats helped
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pass a hurricane sandy aid bill. in 2014 193 democrats helped in the debt ceiling fight today 182 democrats voted for homeland security funding. is this the new normal that democrats step up as adults in the room? is this what we're looking at in the future here? >> i think the speaker has a problem in that a chunk of his conference clearly has no interest in helping leadership achieve anything. they have made their displeasure with this leadership very clear and they think that everybody is selling out. so i'm not sure kind of how this situation gets better. boehner is very adept at kind of going in there and trying to kind of show them how things don't work in the hopes they can get something done but i do not see this getting better any time soon. >> what does this mean lauren
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for the democrats going forward? what opportunities are there? the democrats control neither house, but really they have to wait for the republicans to implode. it's really incredible to watch. you're only talking about 24 to 30 republicans at the end of the day, but frankly nancy pelosi plays a better political game than the speaker. what we just saw was a nancy pelosi beating the speaker at this, and beating him handily. they of course don't control the house, but when you have somebody who is savvy and knows how to wheel and deal like former speaker pelosi she can basically just wait for them to make a bad move, and win off of that move. michelle and lauren thank you both for your time. it's always refreshing to hear someone quote james brown. >> i hear you, rev.
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the department of justice finds ferguson police had a pattern of racial bias and uncovered a racist e-mail about president obama. also hillary clinton will speak tonight. did she break laws using her personal e-mail at the state department? why is billionaire warren buffett says elizabeth warren should be quote, less angry? please stay with us.
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breaking news tonight. the justice department has released a blistering report on the ferguson police department citing a pattern of racial bike and excessive force. just weeks after michael brown's death, attorney general eric holder opened a broader investigation into practices by ferguson police. >> i had the chance to speak with a number of local residents. i heard from them directly about the deep mistrust that has taken hold between law enforcement officials and members of that community. we have determined thatless -- there's cause to the justice department to open an investigation. >> that investigation has found repeated deep-seeded evidence of racial bias by the police. the numbers the justice department uncovered are
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stunning. african-americans make up 67% of the ferguson population. keep that number in mind. 67%, but blacks make up 85% of vehicle stops, 93% of arrests. 88% of documented use of force incidents. 95% of people who were jailed for more than two days. look at these numbers. investigators even found blacks were bitten by police dogs disproportionately. this bias also shows itself in other ways. investigators found ferguson has a pattern of putting revenue over public safety by collecting thousands of dollars in fines on those living in or near poverty, and frequently jailing people on minor offenses. and maybe most disturbing of all is the overt racism
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investigators found in e-mails by ferguson officials on city e-mail accounts including racist jokes that reference president obama. justice department representatives met with ferguson city officials today. they received a copy of the report and will respond tomorrow the the question now becomes how do we fix this? what comes next? joining me now is pa trish are bynes, a democratic committee woman for ferguson township and former u.s. attorney kendall coffey. thank you for your time tonight. committee woman bynes, you know your committee, you've been dealing with i know myself a long time. what about these findings are a surprise to you? >>. >> first i'm gladdi validated what the community hack saying
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ever since august. it makes me angry, though of the depth at which these injustices are taking place. it's disturbing to actually read the details, but i'm glad we have the documentation so no one can say the community has been exaggerating or blowing anything out of the proportion. now we have to take steps. >> kendall, since august, at the invitation of the brown family i've been in ferguson and i've heard this over and over again. now we have numbers. what will the numbers established by the justice department, what will they mean? and where can this go? you're a former u.s. attorney. >> what those numbers mean is the police department simply cannot defend the contentions by the justice department that there is a pattern and practice of disparate treatment. so what will come next is an opportunity for the police department and the city to agree
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to comprehensive reform to change not just a single event, but an entire culture. to be very clear, if they don't agree with what the justice department demands, there will be a civil lawsuit that this police department given the evidence you've talked about, a lawsuit that this police department cannot win and can't even defend. the reforms will be comprehensive, not go appoint a blue ribbon committee, there will be 60 to 70 pages of detailed requirements everything from training and supervision to compliance and community outreach. all of that will be enforceable by the order of a federal court judge. >> commit aye woman, i mentioned some of the statistics ferguson is 67% black, but last year in ferguson blacks made up 86% of traffic stops. 92% of searching, 93% of
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arrests, even though contraband was less likely to be found on black drivers, 22% versus 34% of white drivers. i mean this is not even good crime fighting. >> this isn't about crime fight fighting at all. this is about oppressing people and abusing a community. there's nothing about public safety that's taking place. this is an endangerment to the public, this current ferguson police department. this is what people have been out in the streets talking about since day one. >> now, committee woman, as you know, i've been there and we hear the anger. who will this say to the people in the community now? >> um well a lot of this -- we have the validation now. hearing what the city officials
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have to say, that is going to play a large part in the response that the community has. how many people are going to want to take responsibility for this? how much have they seen and looked the other way? so the community response will really be waiting on what city officials in ferguson have to say for themselves about this. >> now, kendall, one of the disturbing things i saw in this report is that they found a pattern of a focus on revenue over people. according to the nonprofit better together 25% of ferguson's budget came from court fees. i mean what does this say? and how do we deal with that as you talk about changing the culture? >> well it's one of the things that will be targeted in a program of justice department imposed reform. of course i can't exploit people by taking advantage of traffic stops and citations, all of
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which are disproportionately impacting on african-americans and basically feed your city's budget with that. there are many, many other issues that will le part of this extensive set of reforms that the justice department will insist on but that certainly will be an important feat tuesday as well. >> we saw they looked at ferguson but there are a lot of other communities, surrounding communities that are just as glaring in a lot of these kinds of disproportionate targeting of blacks committee woman. >> absolutely. that is an unfortunate reality here in the st. louis region. in the knolls just ferguson. if they were to look at other municipalities in the st. louis region they would probably find similar or even worse offenses than ferguson. so this is really just the tip of the iceberg here that many people when you lift in this region, you have to travel so this is very real and ferguson
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is just one of the p.m. ones that really need to be looked into and this issue needs to be dealt with. >> now, kendall, i mentioned the e-mail about president obama p investigators also found an e-mail that referred to a refund a black woman received for an abortion as a credit from crimestoppers. i mean kendall do you expect any firings or resignations over e-mails like this? >> absolutely. i think there are going to be firings, i think there's going to be change and frankly i think the senior management of that police department has a lot of explaining to do. i don't know that they'll be able to come up with answers. >> well, i think the report will be out, we'll see what the city officials say tomorrow. many people in that community that have been raising their voice asking for a fair investigation and saying what
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the conditions were the numbers speak for themselves. many that came in like me were castigated. the numbers speak for themselves. now let's dewith how do we go from here and make it different. patricia bynes and kendall coffey, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, thank you very much. what's really at stake when a supreme court looks again at obamacare tomorrow? also the gop attack machine is revving up over the story about hillary clinton's e-mails. warren buffett's advice to elizabeth warren "conversation nation" is next. the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables
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she served as secretary of state, and that her staff didn't preserve her e-mails as the law now requires. but today's clinton camp fires back in a statement saying -- both the letter and spirit of the rules permitted state department officials to use nongovernment e-mail. the rules requires workers to use government e-mails didn't go into effect until after clinton left the state department. and a spokesperson for general colin powell tells nbc news he also used private e-mail at the state department. alona, there is a lot of talk about this today, but is this a real controversy? >> i think that there are definitely some questions you need to ask. she may not have been the first secretary of state to use 3r50i68 e-mail but she was the first one to exclusively use private e-mail. one of the concerns is whether her private e-mail is encrypted.
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if you're dealing with matters that are perhaps classified or just sensitive material then your private e-mail is that really the best bet and something you should be using and dependingo upon? there's a question too of transparency and whether this will go down in the public record. maybe not a huge controversy, but a lot of questions regarding hillary and some of her priorities. >> john? >> i think people who despise hillary clinton will be outraged by this. people who love her unreservedly will find no controversy whatsoever. >> where are you john on the actual report? it improper or a matter of judge and something. >> i think it's worth pointing out that secretary kerry is the first to use inclusively government e-mails.
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and hillary clinton using private e-mails shares that in common with every other secretary of state we've had. i would rather see hillary clinton get angry about the stuff that elizabeth warren is accused of getting angry about. >> but midwin these e-mails are not secure. >> right. so to me what maybe this the most interesting thing, controversy or not, she was the secretary of state. this is a woman who was responsible for matters of national security, so the idea this notion that her e-mails were you know not -- >> easily hackable. >> easily hackable. anyone who has a job, right, and you do your work during that job, you have to i don't company e-mails for a reason. one it's a more secure network, but also to preserve the record. so one of the biggest concerns here that i see is this is a secretary of state who's respond for very, very serious issues of
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world affairs, and there are e-mails that perhaps are not preserved for the record should there be any upcoming or ensighing litigation or just for anything they need to sort of get information for. >> alona, on that you can already hear a lot of the right wingers today saying we don't know what may have been communicated by e-mails around things like benghazi. >> i mean -- >> they just won't let that go. >> right wingers love the benghazi think. to me what's more interesting is hillary clinton was part of an address mrgs that was really's grivive pursuing people who do leak information. so when you see people like the former secretary of state or people like the former head of the cia, general david petraeus being very lacks on their security with the kind of material i think it clearly
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shows a double standard and a bit of hypocrisy there. >> when they did release some items, john they're saying we don't know if we have them all. you do not feel this story will have legs from which you said before or will this if in fact -- if she does in fact run for president, will this in fact be something we hear brought up throughout a fall campaign next year? >> right now frank lunts is conducting focus groups by candidates who are very outraged about this and considerably less vocal about their outrage over david petraeus sharing state secrets with his girlfriend. >> midwin do you think this will resonate with independent voters? it might, only from the perspective i think that most persons, at least in my opinions, see this as sloppy. >> it is. >> you were the secretary of state, man. that job is so important on so
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many levels, so the idea that you would be conducting transacting business on that high level on personal e-mail it just -- there's just so many things that can go wrong with that. it may be an issue, i'm not sure but it's still -- it just reeks of sloppyness. >> very sloppy but it will be spun as a sin of sloppyness rather than a sin of deception. >> i'm going to leave it there for a second. coming up is warren buffett going after senator elizabeth warren? and my letter to justice roberts on the eve of a supreme court hearing that could mean life or death for millions. discover card. hey there, i just got my bill and i see that it includes my fico® credit score. yup, you have our discover it card so you get your fico® credit score on your monthly statements and online...for free. that's pretty cool of you guys. well we just want to help you stay on top of your credit and avoid surprises. good. i hate surprises. ahhhh ahhhh are you ok? nope.
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i'm bad with our panel. john i try to mess up a name -- >> god gives the most ethnic names for the whitest guys. >> i've got to keep snl going. it's back to the issues. it's warren versus warren ding ding ding. today investor superstar warren buffett went after progressive superstar senator elizabeth warren.
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>> what do you make of elizabeth warren? >> i think she would do better if she was less angry and demonize less. i believe in hate the sin, love the sinner. there is kearns that don't have 100% meyer style, but i think it's a mistake to get angry with people that disagree with you. >> alona, i called it passion, he calls it angry. your reaction? >> warren buffett's comments make me angry. if there's a bit of sexism because if a woman what happens to say strong things suddenly it's seen as angry, not to mention why are we so this is why, do you remember when president obama called they fat cat bankers and weight got upset and the feelings got hurt and
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the president was never able again to tread that line. >> they couldn't enjoy foreclosing on families for a whole week after that. >> alyona is nicer than i. i am a whole lot angry. i think there's a december standard here at play. whenever a woman express it is a view that is not wonderful, warm and soft and about puppies and kittens, all of a sudden she's angry. if a man criticizes wall street and many men do they're not seen as aingely. they're seen as expressing their opinions but when she says something that is seen to be forceful and sort of again what the bankers stand for, all of a sudden she's seen as angry. i do think it's sexist. >> john? >> i have to second what both these ladies have said but let me begin by saying he's a better man for me a profoundly good
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person and wow, was this a stupid and wrong thing to say? he should be angry on behalf of people who aren't billionaires who got ripped off. alyona, john and midwin thank you. i also say there's not wrong with being angry about things that are wrong, but i don't think she's shown anger. i think it was passion. thank you for joining the conversation tonight. up next my open letter to the supreme court on the eve of the obamacare hearing. d someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm... amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.
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it's free and you can see what your score is right now. aren't you a little bit curious? i just got my free credit score! credit karma. really free credit scores. really free. i have got to update my ink. tomorrow morning the supreme court hears another challenge to the affordable care act. the case involves a challenge to the tax breaks and subsidies that helped low-income americans, a decision could leave many of them vulnerable. justice roberts, please listen to the american people.
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71% want the supreme court to save the subsidies. why? because this is about people. the "-ton post" interviewed americans, about karen hines, a three-time breast cancer survive. and a painter who had an aneurysm, and david price, who beat skin cancer but barely makes enough to survive. i've heard the personal stores right here on the show. >> if it wasn't for the affordable care act, i would not have had the insurance that provided for my transplant. >> it saved my life. it allowed me to breathe and relax and enjoy being healthy and cancer free. i've been able to plan my wedding an pursue my graduate degree. without this incredible piece of legislation, i wouldn't be able to do that.
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so this is about people real americans. justice roberts, please think about this. real people real lives hang in the balance from you and your colleagues' decisions. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. \s. netanyahu, not too nice to president obama. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. big news night, of course bibi makes his takeover bid saying he, not president obama should decide what's in america's interests. he not president obama should make the big decisions about this nation's security. this time he pushed
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