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oh, my gosh it's another one. >> beautiful. >> another snowy, rainy, sloppy day. >> isn't this great? >> welcome to "morning joe." it's not friday. >> this is it. this is it. bill karins tells us after this, this is the last storm. >> you believe him because? >> we were lovers for 15 years in the 1960s. 15 dwraersyears. it was a long decade. >> sounds like it. >> maybe it just felt like 15 years. no, it's the last one. 40s next week. how sad and pathetic a guy from florida is excited about the 40s in march. >> take what we can get. >> hi nicolle wallace. >> hi mika. >> in washington jonathan park. >> how are you doing? >> good. >> i'm doing okay. you've got snow, don't you? >> it's just raining here. >> good.

>> wait it's coming. >> everyone has their seasonal effective disorder. >> totally. >> we're all in a bad mood. >> i keep trying to move to california. >> you should. move "the view" to california. >> right, why not? >> we're going to talk about hillary clinton's private e-mails, the developments yesterday even after the show. >> it's unbelievable how they're doing this. hillary puts out a statement, i told the state department to release all the e-mails. she's telling the state department to release the e-mails she has allowed them to see. and marie came out yesterday, 55,000 that's a big number. as jon stewart said that is a big number but there are bigger numbers. and those bigger numbers are the numbers hillary eventually -- she broke the regulation. she's going to have to turn that server over. >> david brock thinks if he thinks this cup is blue we're going to believe it's blue.

>> let's not say that about a guest that came on the show. >> no he was trying to tell me she didn't break -- >> why are you so mad? >> i'm not mad. >> what do you think is in there. >> that's a bad way to start. >> what's in there? what do people think she's hiding? it's e-mail. it always gets out. she can get hacked. >> nobody is mad. >> i can't believe that you seem to be asking these questions. can you imagine what would have happened if we found out after dick cheney got out after office and dick cheney -- >> i'm tired already. do you know how many times i printed out all of my e-mails in the bush white house for him? 7,000 times. >> you did. the clintons don't think -- the clintons don't think they live by the same rules that everybody else lives by. this is such a flashback not 1990s. do you know why it is? because they live by their own rules. don't think that what applies to everybody else applies to them.

>> i want to see her handle it. i just want to see her handle it. >> right. this is an important test. we don't have much else to talk about in terms of the campaign. >> i want to see her deal with it. >> you really don't think this is a big deal? >> i just think it's typical of them. >> exactly. >> e-mail. it's not encrypted nsa e-mails. this is like hot it ismail.com. >> how do you know that? >> how do i know what? >> i'm wondering, somebody that zefd in the white house why are you so flip about people having specific regulations, the white house telling you this is how you will do things. >> did the white house say that to her? >> yes, they did. first of all, they put the regulation -- >> do you think someone called her? >> jay carney in 2011 had a press conference and said these are the rules how everybody in this administration will live by. >> four years you think called him every day, uh-uh, not going to do it? >> instead her staff got a server at her home and decided to do it their own way.

>> what's the revelation that the clintons didn't follow the rules? the clintons tried to hide stuff and now acting like it's a vast wing media conspiracy that people want to see it? i think it's so classical it's almost biblical. that always happens. >> classic narrative. >> i'm just saying we're going to talk about it and then we're all going to get turned over and it's going to be a bunch of wedding stuff. who did she e-mail that we think we're not going to see. >> how do you know that? >> i'm just saying -- >> again, they have the rules in washington for a reason. and again, i just want to make sure people at home don't think that you're being flip about this. >> i'm just saying that with the -- first of all, you talk to 5:30 on "way too early" about jeb having jeb@jeb.org. i think she will end up turning everything over. it's unsustainable, right? it's unsustainable to not turn

everything over. >> if jeb bush knew there was a law in the state of florida that required him to have -- >> there is you know. >> can i finish? that have a public e-mail address and not a private one, would jeb bush just say, i'm not going to abide by that law. >> no. my point is they're the clintons. they don't ever live by the rules that everybody else does. >> even if there is nothing in the e-mails there is a political problem for them. talk to any republican who has done focus groups. people think that the clintons are too political and above the lu. this goes to the heart of that. politically it's an issue. there is the possibility that there's something in the e-mails she did not want other people to see, if there is that is a big issue. we won't know until we see it. >> my point is no one should be surprised she's the first secretary of state in history to conduct all of her official government diplomatic -- she wasn't the secretary of hhs. her e-mails were with other foreign leaders. >> she knew what the white house

expected of her. >> for four years. >> that's what the clintons do wully geist. >> they open themselves up to this when they give the 55,000 and not some others. it makes you wonder what's in the other e-mails. >> of course. >> if they didn't have a.gov at all that means she conducted all of her official business. >> let's go we have a member of the "washington post" editorial board with us right now, jonathan kapart. it's in this morning's paper. clinton's poor judgment. it may be that ms. clinton used private e-mail because she anticipated republicans would be on the prowl for scandal and wanted to control what part of her record might be scrutinized, such fears would have had ample basis, but they do not excuse penchant for control and secrecy that she has exhibited before and that remains a worrying attribute as ms. clinton

possibly -- that includes the records, all of them. it shows poor regard for that public trust. jonathan? >> well, look i think this gets to what -- i think jim was just saying about how this story and this situation plays into the narrative of the clintons. that the clintons are very secretive and that the clintons believe that the rules do not apply to them. i think it's a good thing that secretary clinton put that tweet out last night saying that she will release all of her e-mails and wants them released. but this is a serious situation for the secretary. you know i still can't square for myself how she could do this given what the law -- what the law is given what the spirit of the law is but as nicolle said you know nicolle's reaction is interesting because, uh it's

the clintons. you know they believe that the rules don't apply to them. i think because this fits to the narrative that we've been through with both of them for the last 20 years, i wonder in terms of political scandal, one, whether it will ultimately see that there's a there there and, two, whether the public which care and whether they will come to the point where nicolle is which is you know so what. let's move on. >> exactly. that's just what the clintons do. what they also do is they're constantly playing with words, what the meaning of is is. johnson said something interesting. most people will read hillary clinton's e-mail or statement last night and say, oh, she's going to release the e-mails. no she's not. what her statement says if you parse it which the clintons always require you to parse it she appears to be only talking about the 55,000 e-mails that she decided she would agree to turn oef to the state department

and so now she is saying i want the public to see my e-mail. i ask the state to release them. guess what the state department is supposed to be the custodian of your e-mails, hillary clinton, but they are not the custodian of your e-mail as required by 2009 law because thaw decided not to abide by that law so don't tell the state department to release your e-mail, senator clinton, secretary clin top. you are the only one that has the power to release your e-mails because you are the custodian of said e-mails because they are in your server which is against 2009 regulation, which is against what the white house said publicly in 2011 all people were doing. so please release another statement and let us know whether you're talking about only the 55,000 e-mails that you allowed state department to actually see or whether you're talking about all your e-mails. if you're telling the state department to release all of your e-mail my that's a curious statement to put out because they don't have control of your e-mails. the custodian of those e-mails are you. >> and the only --

>> because you decided to ignore the regulations. >> can speak for hillary clinton is hillary clinton. i would like to hear her speak on this where things might have gone wrong, where mistakes might have been made and where or why actually things were done the way they were done against regulation. what we've got is a lot of her people aggressively and viscously defending her on e-mail to us on twitter to us in every way possible. and that feeds into a very bad narrative. >> by the way, not even -- they on the even smart arguments. >> no, i watched "hard ball" yesterday, this woman from emily's list, i'm sorry, it was -- >> it was embarrassing. >> what did they say? >> it was a joke. >> what did her people say? >> she was, i'm sorry. what she was saying was a complete joke. chris matthews why was this important. and she goes, it's not important. the voters of america don't care what server hillary clinton is

on or hot mail or g mail or what. they just care whether or not she can be president. they don't care about her e-mails. and you know what? i actually don't think that was the answer to the question. the question was, did she break regulation and why is this front page news. why it's front page news? it could impact our national security. who did she talk to what foreign governments, what kind of money was being raised for the clinton foundation, what was happening on those e-mails. >> what does it matter? what -- it's just an e-mail. of course, it's just an e-mail server that goes against regulations. it's not like the russians or the chinese are constantly trying to hack government leaders. it's not like they actually go inside of government agencies and hack government agencies. the state department has been hacked and can't get rid of hackers and have tried to for the past six months. but hillary is going to have her own little server because she's paranoid. it's unbelievable. let's get to -- >> i've got so much other news

to get to. can i please go to ferguson. all right. . latest developments. the justice department's full review of the city's police department was released on wednesday, which details a pattern of racially biased behavior. however, the report found no such evidence in the case that sparked the entire investigation, the one involving unharmed teenager michael brown. the release of the findings led to a fight of protests outside police department headquarters where at least two people were arrested. nbc news correspondent ron allen reports from ferguson. >> reporter: despite months of passionate demands from protesters in ferguson federal investigators decided not to charge former police officer darin wilson saying he feared for his life acted in self-defense, killing the unharmed teenager michael brown. close that civil rights case while demanding ferguson make sweeping reforms to end what officials i cyst is a wide spread pattern of racially biased policing and using court fines to raise city revenue.

>> this investigation found a community that was deeply polarized, a community where a deep distrust and hostility often characterized interactions between police and area residence residence. >> reporter: the report found shocking incidents of alleged abuse, including police almost exclusively using dogs against black suspect, excessive force against the mental ali ill. the doj is demanding ferguson change the stop search and arrest procedures limit excessive force, and use tasers and force only if supervisor is present. recruit, hire and promote deverse officers. he says he prays change will come. >> do you think there's a willingness here? >> yay and nay. i say yay on that so much attention is brought in on it. nay on the simple fact that once the attention gets off of it it will go back to the way it used to be done. >> reporter: statement from

brown's parents said, while we are saddened by this decision we are encouraged the doj will hold ferguson police department accountable for the pattern of racial bias. adding that true change will come not only in ferguson but around the country. >> that was nbc's ron allen reporting. the city's mayor has not said whether or not the police chief will keep his job. he could just say he's going. >> i mean how could the police chief keep his job? by the way, this is the mayor who, by the way, said over the summer that the height of all of these protests that he didn't think there was a problem. >> they need to clean out. >> so looking at the headlines, lead story. "new york times" today. obviously for the parents, a mixed verdict. the justice department eric holder's justice department determining that the officer acted appropriately or at least there wasn't evidence to show he did not act appropriately. but at the same time there was

such wide spread discrimination inside the ferguson department that it really shouldn't be shocking but it is shocking in 2015. >> yeah. on the darin wilson piece, we all know those of us who follow the justice department know what it means to bring civil rights process. the bar was incredibly high for the justice department to even be able to charge officer wilson with willfully violating the constitutional rights of michael brown. so the outcome of that doj investigation is not surprising. what is good about that investigation is that because the doj did it we have in all the interviews they did, all the evidence they looked at and their reputation as being. a referee, you know unbiased arbiter, we now have a clearer pick chaurture of what happened that day. on the other side the other

report that came out about the ferguson police department, i have to tell you, in reading it it just broke my heart that here we are 2015 50th anniversary of the march on selma and we're talking about a police department in the united states of america in 2015 that is working hand in glove with the municipal courts and also with the city government to finance its municipal budget on the backs of poor people there. >> the poorest people in ferguson. >> the poorest people in ferguson. >> financing it on racism. >> and you read some of the things. the woman who was stopped for a simple traffic violation, a ticket that was $151. she ultimately ended up having to pay $541. and still owes another $500 because of the mounting fines and fees that were imposed by the city of ferguson and by the courts. and so my sincerest hope is that

this report from doj will shake ferguson into getting its act together because if it doesn't, the justice department has the right to sue them and force them to do it. and mayor knowles' press conference yesterday was woefully inadequate. he should have come out there yesterday and instead of telling us about the three officers being investigated for some of the racest e-mails and the one terminated the first words out of his mouth after saying i am so sorry about this should have been, police chief thomas jackson is gone. >> relieved of his duty. but willie how is the mayor going to do that that said this summer there wasn't evidence of racism in ferguson? >> he can't say that now. we've seen the doj report. i agree with jonathan. the decision about darren wilson was expected. when you look inside the doj study the statistics are appalling. then there are these handful of e-mail i don't hold the entire department responsible for them but the group of people who e-mail and forwarded showed such

contempt for african-americans, the very people they're sworn to protect, it's disgusting. it just shows a find set and culture within that police department that has to be blown. >> how about way of life based on racism? >> by the way, i lived in northwest florida, alabama, georgia, mississippi, for 40 years. i never saw anything like this from public officials. where is this place? i don't know get it. i mean would i have seen this in mississippi in 1973 '74? yes. but 2015 in the middle of america. i am not i guess ignorant enough to say that this is the only place racism exists. i'm saying as son of the south that i'm stunned at the degree

of racism of this city and this police department. >> i think there's some good that comes out of this that goes beyond ferguson. fascinating piece with charles koch goes on the record talking about how he's now working with george sorros and other liberals on criminal justice reform. rand paul was doing this. there is now a trajectory because of cases like this to do something substantial at the federal level, uniting conservatives to do it. that's the type of stuff you sometimes sadly need to give emp us the to real change. >> we will be following that story. and now this. the u.s. ambassador of south korea is waking up in a hospital this morning after a shocking attack during a seminar in seoul. we've got to warn you the following images are graphic and disturbing. ambassador mark lippert is in stable condition after a man calling for a unified slashed him in the face with a small knife. let's get the latest now.

nbc news foreign correspondent keir simmons joins us live from london. keir, what happened and did he have security? >> good question mika. this just gets the first part of that. what happened to ambassador lippert while he was at this meeting, this breakfast meeting, when this man allegedly jumped on him from behind. we understand he has a four-inch cut across his face an inch deep and also a cut to his left arm. you can see in the pictures that he has been wounded like that. and there is a video of the moments afterwards. you know, i have to say, by the way, ambassador lippert, who served with the navy s.e.a.ls shows extraordinary calm. that is the man who is alleged to have attacked him and he is said to have been shouting slogans against the u.s./south korea military exercises under way at the moment. and he is as you can see, taken away. ambassador lippert, meanwhile, is taken to the hospital.

he undergoes 2 1/2 hours of surgery. we're told he's had 80 stitches. now just to get to your other question there, mika a crucial one. what we're hearing from local police and clearly washington is just waking up to this and will be responding is that the u.s. embassy didn't ask for an escort service to the local police anyway and they say that's why there was no particular service. it looks as if there was no checks, there was no checks for any kind of knife or anything at the entrance to this. event. and we're hearing that this alleged assailant previously attacked the japanese ambassador. so he has form allegedly. >> did he have his regular security detail with him? >> we're still trying to figure that out. let's be honest. south korea is not a place where the risk is considered substantial, although of course there is north korea right next door. by the way, they north korean

television right now is calling it a punishment deserved to the warmonger u.s. while senator kerry is calling it a senseless attack. there are risks for every u.s. ambassador anywhere around the world. south korea would not normally be considered a place where the risk is that high. but it is a question whether what kind of security he had. >> yeah. comparable to other ambassadors just knowing from my own experience. keir simmons thank you very much. >> thank you, keir. still ahead on "morning joe," can a nuclear deal with reached with iran? ann curry will join us live from switzerland with her exclusive interview with iran's foreign minister. >> stunning what the foreign minister seems to agree with. >> yeah. >> that is still -- >> incredible interview. >> still won't distance himself from the 125i789 statement that israel must be annihilated and wiped off the face of the earth. that is the man negotiating a deal right now for nuclear weapons.

>> hand it to ann. right back out there with more questions. we're going to get reaction from israel's ambassador to the u.s. ron dermer. and live to boston dramatic opening arguments in the marathon bombing trial. but first, bill karins with the forecast. >> unfortunately one of the worst morning xhupts across the country. dallas, texas, had three inches of snow. the most snow you've seen in five years. pictures out of kentucky this morning. one report of 19 inches of snow in the mountains of kentucky. louisville and lexington both picked up seven to eight inches last night. you get the picture here. we've got thousands of schools canceled and delayed across the country. and all this weather is now heading through the mid atlantic region. the morning commute is getting worse by the minute in and around new york city. shortly philadelphia. go to the maps. 39 in d.c. looks like you're going to escape the morning commute with wet roads in washington, d.c. you won't be as lucky coming home. look at the cold air down into mississippi. we have snow and ice covered

roads from memphis to little rock up through kentucky now through west virginia. p t. white on the map is snow that's now through memphis it is snowing. snowing in nashville. back up to the north we're watch that snow changing over in areas just like outside of d.c. just out side of philadelphia. as far as the snow total, it does look like by the end of the day we will pick up somewhere between six to eight inches around philly and seven in d.c. and five in new york city. again, thissing loos like the last big storm for a long time. hopefully not until december of next year. leave you with a shot of new york city where the snow is coming down and starting to accumulate. careful on the roads. hey, girl. is it crazy that your soccer trophy is talking to you right now?

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. look at willie mika. willie has snow boots on. they aren't like the duck boots just for show when you're walking around swan kneenee all the students go, look. >> 28 past the hour.

look at the front page of the "boston globe." it was him. a graphic opening statement kicked off the boston marathon bombing trial wednesday nearly two years since the worse about of domestic terrorism since 9/11 with three victims killed and another 260 injured. peter alexander joins us live from boston with the latest. peter? >> mika and joe, good morning. they're expecting another emotional day of testimony at the federal courthouse behind us, start about 9:00 this morning. it comes after on the first day of this trial boston bombing survivors for the first time face the man that even the defense admits tried to kill them. the suspect tsarnaev appeared to be fighting for his life, but not for his innocence. inside boston's federal courthouse today bombing suspect joe har tsarnaev's lawyer made a stunning admission, it was him. tsarnaev showed no emotion. he faces 30 charges, many that

could carry the death penalty including using a weapons of mass destruction resulting in death. his lawyer acknowledged the bombings were misguided acts that were inexcusable tnd a explosions extinguished three lives. among those victims, martin's smiling face and graphically detailed his death as his parents wiped away tears. taking the stand rebekah gregory who lost her left leg. she remembers hearing her son calling mommy, mommy, mommy, thinking to herself god, if this is it take me but let me know noah is okay. sydney was badly wounded. i remember just feeling i wanted to go to sleep. i was fading fast. survivor heather abbott wants to see tsarnaev punished. >> i think it's important that somebody like that isn't ever out in the public again. >> reporter: the jury made up of ten women and eight men will be shown never before seen surveillance video of the defendant putting the pressure

cooker bomb right behind a row of children. he pretended to be a spectator. he believed he was a soldier in a holy war against americans. the defense tried to shift the blame to tsarnaev's older brother tamerlan who died when he was accidentally ran over by his younger brother in a shootout with police invising it was tamerlan who self radicalized. >> the best chance they have to generate sympathy for him is this relationship with his brother. >> reporter: the defense said we will not argue that tamerlan put a gun to dock dzokhar's. i asked allah to make me a martyr offering what hey say a motive for his bombing attack. he thought it would help secure him a place in paradise. overnight rebeccakah gregory, one of the survivors we spoke about who lost one of her legs wrote an open laetetter to tsarnaev and said she has experienced, she has seen him in her nightmares.

she said he is the source of fear. here's what else she said. she said today i looked at you right in the face and realized i wasn't afraid anymore. today i realized that sitting across from you was somehow the crazy kind of step forward that i needed all along. joe and mika a sort of a sense of collective catharsis for some in this community to finally have the chance to look tsarnaev in the face and communicate to him exactly what he did to them and ultimately to carry his fate in their hands. >> peter alexander, thank you very much. we are now going to look at the other morning papers. the "new york times," new york city will become the first major school district in the country to close its doors in observance of major muslim holidays. mayor bill de blasio announced the move yesterday. the paper reports the move is significant as muslim-americans face renewed backlash from violence in europe and across the middle east. >> what does come at a really good time. >> oh, yeah politically.

>> i think politically and also just sending a message to the muslim community they are part of america and that while other countries seem to have more of a problem somehow integrating muslims in i think it's a great idea for new york city that 10% of the kids in new york are muslim-americans. i think it's it sends a great message. >> yeah. good move. >> we're all one family. >> good move. you've obviously got long christian holidays in new york jewish holidays as well. >> when will they have school? that's the question parns are asking. i'm just saying although i think it is a very good move. >> between all the holidays and the snow days. >> i know. believe me. >> i feel short changed, actually because i grew up in the deep south. we didn't have all of the jewish holidays. i would have loved to go to school in the northeast. you put christmas together, all the jewish holidays. >> we're still in school on the 4th of july. it's a long year.

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39 past the hour. time for the must read opinion panls. we have mike barnicle with us. did your car get blocked in with the snow? >> it did. >> i saw your picture. keep that picture to yourself. >> your car. okay. >> horrible picture. >> don't send us distasteful pictures. >> horrible. >> e-mail those. >> seriously? >> nicolle. >> maybe that's why hillary clinton is not willing to release e-mails. >> stop it. >> all the dirty jokes barnicle has been sending her.

>> look at that. >> so we're going to start -- >> oh, my god. >> we're going to start with -- >> it's horrible. >> think about that. okay. you're not right. all right. >> that's a tough neighborhood. >> yeah. on to the clintons. >> it took so much time. the time and effort. >> we don't have a lot of time to go through the must read opinions. >> an hour show. >> we've got all the time in the world. >> that's so right. >> hillary clinton is not ready or prime time. the clinton found indication shouldn't have accepted donations from foreign countries so that no one could ever accuse clinton of being influenced by that money. she should have stopped giving paid speeches a long time ago. and she should have used a government e-mail address at the state department. these should all be easy decisions to make and yet clinton got them all wrong. this should frighten democrats. who knows what other past mistakes might surface, or ones

yet to come. it hasn't taken much digging from journalists to find these stories. republican opposition researchers are surely going into over drive right now that they smell blood in the water. and they do. i will just tell you i want to hear from her about this. it just shouldn't be that hard for her to embrace this. her people are doing what they do and i don't think it works anymore. i think everybody is really tired of being pushed around. >> like david geffen in 2007 said the clintons are really good liars. >> she's really nice apparently. >> everybody said yeah, they kind of are. this routine they've been doing for the past couple of days it feels very 1998. it's not going to work in 2015. >> remember when they put her out on the book tour her first interview with diane sawyer oh, we were flat broke. they put her out and spent ten days cleaning it up.

maybe these are her instincts. >> go out on her own. >> they are her i thinknstincts. they are in the bubble. they are paranoid. they hate the press. they think the press hates them. and you know what? they have been beaten up since 1978. i certainly could understand why they would be in a defensive crouch. >> no, joe. >> look at everybody that's happened since 1978. but it begs the question do the democrats really want to nominate somebody with all of those battle scars who we can all understand being in that defensive crouch. >> let me ask mike barnicle. you have your own server and you don't follow government regulation as secretary of state and you don't have e-mails on the government server. you don't follow regulation and it is revealed that you have your own server and you're revealing the e-mails that you want to back to the department of state when they ask for it but you're not revealing them all. is there a story there?

is that a story? >> yes, there is a story. >> are there some good questions? >> you get the sense in talking to people that hillary clinton's biggest problem when and if she runs for president this time is the weight of 30 years worth of what supposed to be explanations but sound like excuses. 30 years. that's a long time for the average voter to carry that around. and i think her biggest problem is people are going to be thinking when she does run for president, you know hey, enough is enough. >> the democrats thought that in 2008. now you have an article by maggie haberman and who else wrote the article? >> martin. >> jonathan martin basically said the democrats are waking up now to the fact that they're stuck with hillary clinton. so now they're having to scramble and all having to defend something they wouldn't do themselves and what does this sound like? this sounds like the democrats

who privately in '99 were telling me if this guy has blown his presidency on a 21-year-old intern and then lied to us about it and going to force us -- i mean, it's just kind of like enough. do what you want to do but don't make us as a democratic party defend this crap anymore. >> well, you know what it also is joe. again, just anecdotally talking to people. very few people like others -- like people who make their problems your problems. and that's what this is. you know, the server. you know the foreign money. you know it's now your problem. please understand what it does i think in a sense, if you take arguably the most electable republican, jeb bush it makes him look like a fresh face. >> all right. >> the fresh face. we're going to switzerland next when we come back.

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weapons. we don't believe nuclear weapons brings supreme court toy to anybody, especially us. >> you were able to find the tweet he wrote quote, this barbaric, wolflike and infanticide dall regime of israel which brings no crime and no cure but to be annihilated. can you understand why jews and others would take that kind of language? >> no, i won't. this is a regime. this is mr. netanyahu who has innocent children in gaza. we are not talking about i'll nile lags of jews. for somebody who comes to congress tries to create this hysteria about something that doesn't exist. we never had a bomb. we will never have a bomb. as he does have a bomb. he does have two -- he has 200 nuclear weapons. >> why should americans trust

iran on this? >> but we're not asking anybody to trust us. and we are not going to trust anybody for the time being. we take one step at a time. we're not asking for trust. we are asking for verification. and we are accepting verfy kagsz.kagsz verification. >> ann curry makes huge news here. ann curry talks to the foreign minister negotiating with john kerry right now. she reads him a tweet from the supreme leader, the most powerful person in iran saying that israel needs to be annihilated. and she asks him to back off, to explain it and is there any problem with that he says no. >> that sounds like a very easy question, say, well, he speaks for himself and not for me. but he said no i will not distance myself. >> annihilate israel. the guy negotiating with john kerry is saying to ann curry

yesterday that he doesn't back off of a statement calling for the annihilation of israel and people wonder why israel is a little concerned? >> his rationale is well, look at what israel has been doing with settlements. >> gaza. >> you can disagree with israel and agree not to annihilate israel. >> people in this country has been spent a long time being critical of benjamin netanyahu for addressing the congress but i thought the most dramatic moment is when he said never again will we allow for the genocide of her people. this is a regime holy bent on and i'm so glad zarif did this interview today to see in their own records, the annihilation of israel. >> we are such hypocrites. mike barnicle if mexico was trying to get a nuclear weapon and mexico's leaders had consistently called for the annihilation of the united states of america, mexico city would have a mcdonald's and a

disneyland and a united states capitol if it by nightfall. we would have so many tanks across the rio grande wipe them out, kill their leaders. why is israel so concerned? the supreme leader calling for the annihilation of israel and moving towards a nuclear weapon. >> one of the most surprising elements of that clip we just showed is the timing of it. he has heard benjamin netanyahu speak to the united states congress. he knows what he said president the legitimacy of the regime oh, yeah the ayatollah was drunk when he tweeted, whatever. >> we hate when he watches boxing matches and starts getting the wine and tweeting. >> i can't agree with your question. he says nothing about how oi owe oh first of all, the ayatollah tweeting. >> about the annihilation of a u.n. nation state. >> terrible. >> ann curry is going to join us live at 8:30 eastern time from

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the spirit of the law. >> do you think it's okay for the public servant at the level of secretary of state to carry on official correspondence but keep it to themselves if they choose to? that's apparently the option she has now. >> i think at that level it's important that they follow the law. i also think that if we spend the next few months debating how long something was kept on a server the american electorate is going to flock to a third party. >> that was -- >> it's all about servers. it's not about -- it's always just about servers. >> that was a joke. >> right? >> it's always about servers. it's never about the law being broken. it's never about lying under oath. it's never about lying on deposition. it's never abilityout misusing your office. >> a defense like that leads to this. >> it's never about what it's about. >> that's what frustrating me. >> it's always about something small. >> that was emily list's

spokeswoman on "hard ball" last night. johnson capehart still with us. >> i make no secret of the fact i like hillary clinton very much. >> i do too. >> we joke. we called her my girlfriend in 2008 because she ran such an incredible campaign. i like her. >> amazing person. >> after she got past new hampshire she ran an extraordinary campaign. she was inspiring. she was tough. said something should write a story about her called true grit. i said she was a great example for my daughter as far as perseverance goes and young women across the country. i don't know why they can't just say, i screwed up. i made a mistake. i am sorry. i was too clever by half. i want your trust and what i did was not about a vast right wing conspiracy. it wasn't just about a server. it was about my poor judgment.

i'm really sorry. guess what everybody would say? okay. but there is something mika in the clintons that do not allow them -- there's always a vast right wing conspiracy. >> yeah. >> there's always the media coming after them. there's always a blood sport. it's never about them when in fact, it's always about them. why can't they just say we screwed up we'll do our best not to do it again? let's move on. >> i have an answer. >> yeah? >> and it gets to one of the most unfortunate aspects of our political system i think, and that the clintons have been in a cocoon of practically in a weird way privacy, their own privacy, the presidential privacy, i'm hillary clinton privacy, a security bubble for over a quarter of a century and they are precluded from leading a

normal life. someone would come up to you at the dry-cleaners hey, you know that thing? say you made a mistake and move on. they are precluded from doing that. they're good people. they do not lead a normal life. >> the people -- there are cadres of people that are around her allow absolutely no access and i guess to a certain extent understanding of that why that might be. having said that i remember when things began to turn bad for mitt romney and it was his people that let him down his staff was terrible at the campaign. they put him in stadiums with like two people in the audience. they just didn't know what they were doing. >> i have a hard time when it's all about the people. she's a human being who has been in politics. she was the first lady. >> nicolle -- >> her i think stichingts too. when diane sawyer asked her about her financial status she said i was flat broke. that was her.

her instincts about being secretary of state. prestigious to have the hillary clinton family's e-mail. she's not oblivious. >> no she's not oblivious. >> it is about the bubble though mika. >> yeah. >> it's about the fact that -- and this is what happens when we live in a political culture where you actually select two families and say they're going to run our government for the next 50 years because they are only comfortable with these two families running things. there is such an isolation. you know it's not a coincidence, willie, that a guy that went to eureka college won 49 states. all of these people all go to yale. they all have the same friends. they all know the same billionaires. they all fly on the same private planes.

again, we've got plutocrats picking two families saying they're going to lead the country. >> it's true she's isolated but we always talk about the country being exhaust we'd the bush/clinton thing. look at hillary clinton's numbers. 87%. part of her calculation, i think, is -- >> we don't care. >> i can get away with doing this stuff. is going to run around me? she knows where she stands. she's been able to play by these rules her whole career. senator, secretary of state. very likely be the democratic nominee and perhaps president playing by these rules so why change? >> jonathan that's a good question. what's the answer? >> i don't have the answer. i do have to agree with mika that the secretary is going to have to step forward and explain to all of us how this happened. it's great to put that tweet out overnight saying that she's asked the state department to release the e-mails. she's going to have to do more.

i don't know if it has to rise to the level of the pink suit press conference that she gave, what 20 smsomething years ago to explain the law firm records. she does have to -- she does have to explain to us talking about this but also to the american people who at some point are going to focus on this and wonder how does this play into all the things that i've heard over the decades about the clintons being secretive and the clintons believing the rules don't apply to them and why should they not, if she's going to run for president, if she's going to be the democratic nominee, if she's going to be asking them for their vote, she has to explain to them why they should trust her, given this new thing that adds to the narrative that we've been talking about now since at least 1991. >> you talk mike about the rose law firm billing records for those of us who remember the 1990s. investigators aring loo rg to them. i believe they subpoenaed them. said they didn't have them.

we kept hearing they didn't know where they were. they magically disappeared. and then one night they just show up in the white house on a table. and it's always -- >> travel office stuff, too. >> the travel office stuff, too. was it craig livingstone at a hearing where they said hillary, i wanted to find out if hillary clinton had hired craig livingstone and we brought one person who said i don't know. and then we finally got him. who hired you? he said i don't remember. who did you talk to the first time you went to the white house. don't remember. i think i asked him, it must have been exciting to for you the first time you get to the white house. who did you tell them you were coming to see the first time you went to the gate. i don't remember. the democrats just sat there and sat there and they took it because they knew that was a surprise of admission. except for tom lantos late

congressman who suggested that livingstone kill himself. just kill himself. it would be the honorable thing to do. kill yourself instead of telling us the truth. >> but see what you're talking about now gets to what we mentioned earlier. the weight of 25 or 30 years of clinton baggage with the public. and it's not the individual things. i mean craig livingstone, you know, nobody cares about craig. i don't think the average person cares about the e-mails. >> if it's a small thing, it may be why lie about it. >> why defend it so pathetically? >> it's the combined weight of all those, whatever it is lies fabrications, half truths no truths. it's the combined weight on all of that on the average voter. >> isn't the original sin the decision that unlike every secretary of state in recent history she would not have a state.gov e-mail account? >> thank you. this is the original sin.

that's against regulation. >> it's the law. >> against the law. >> does anybody argue that she broke regulation? >> broke the law. >> the associated press yesterday reported that clinton sed up this so-called home brew e-mail server system at her home in new york. the system was aid to have given her latitude to limited access to messages and it would muddy the issue of what the state department would be compelled to turn over. the a.p. said it was considering legal action after protracted freedom of information bat to get clinton's full schedules and calendars during her tenure as well as documents relating to her aides and what her role was. given that story, here is now the defense. >> wait, wait wait. before you get to that. i want toeks expand on that. the associated press saud they specifically did it so they didn't have to be transparent as other state department people were transparent and other people in the government that it was specifically intended to

stop the media from being able to get freedom of information requests. >> against regulation. >> so you have the associated press that is thinking about suing. gawker actually has been in the news because they asked for basic things. they asked questions of felipe rains, her spokesperson and protector and made a request to the state department for felipe rains' e-mails and response came back, there was no such thing. that it turned up no records. when the guy e-mails all the time. >> this is a serious story with real questions and the answer that we get is an insult to the intelligence of the american people. here's emily spokeswoman on "hard ball" last night trying tonessto answer. >> no offense, small offense? >> every secretary of state prior to hillary clinton used a

private account for their e-mails. i think more importantly, can you possibly imagine any american family at any kitchen table across the country sitting down and saying wow, i'm so concerned that she used private accounts instead of a state accounts and where was the server locates? no, because there are major economic questions that american families -- i just don't -- >> you're changing the subject right now. >> i think the electorate is not going to be focused on where the server was. >> ask the news media. why do you think "the new york times" is leading with this and major front page placement here again and again. "the washington post," usa all front page treatment of this thing the they're not antihillary clinton. you can't tell me "the new york times" -- >> i think carol is right. it's leading because hillary clinton makes news. >> i just love that chris matthews made clear "the new york times" is not anti-democrat. thank you, chris. >> first of all, you go through this. parse through this. yesterday we had david brock on

i don't know but had her talking about it. parse through the explanations and they're not accurate when they go they all had their private e-mail addresses in the past. first of all, that's irrelevant. the regulation the law took place in 2009. the obama administration yesterday just came out flat out said she did not abide by their regulations. >> the white house she worked for. >> the white house she worked for said she did not comply by the regulations. and then there's this thing here, the clintons always do, also oh, you know what this is such a small issue. look over here. the economy. look over here. like in the 1990s, what did we always hear? oh it was only about oral sex. of course in a sexual harassment lawsuit. >> right. >> right. >> there's that. >> a sexual harassment lawsuit. let's look at the economy. let's look at this look at that. it's always about something else with them. >> it's always simply not true that previous secretaries of state exclusively used private

e-mail. "new york times" reports they used it sometimes but they had .govs as well. the part that sticks with me and a lot of people is that she controls these e-mails. she can say i'm going to give to the state department what i want to give to the state department. but not what the state department may need or not what a congressional committee may need or freedom of information request may need. >> i'm glad you brought that up. the statement she put out last night, the tweet, such absolute nonsense. insulting the intelligence of everybody saying i'm going to ask the state department to release my e-mails. they don't have them. she has them. they have 55,000 e-mails that she and her staff parsed through and decided to give to them and she's saying to the state department, that's like me telling you, willie i am asking you to release my son from captivity. you don't have him. i got him. i mean how stupid. and this is a question i have asked of the clintons since

1992. how stupid do they think we are? >> 87% approval rating. >> how stupid do they think we are? >> what will be interesting to see if this takes anything out of her dominance in the republican field. she's above 85% approval rating among democrats. does this take anything out of it or is this so baked in the cake as you've been saying all morning it doesn't matter? >> it's like dealing with one of your kids with excuse after excuse after excuse for rapping the car around a telephone pole. >> hillary clinton, 56%. elizabeth warren 14%. joe biden, 10%. >> i'm getting exhausted just listening to this. i can only imagine an average voter trying to figure out where to go with the vote. >> what's exhausting you? >> the stories, the continue numb of story after story after story. excuse after excuse after excuse.

>> doesn't it have a numbing affect after a while? 1990s after a while it was just like, you know what it's the clintons. they're going to lie to us. that's why i said the real tragedy of the monica deal is that was the smallest thing that happened during the clinton administration. bill clinton would get hundreds of thousands of dollars from a contributor and then in return he would transfer weapon technology to the communist chinese government and. even when the defense department was saying no even when state was saying no he would have to go to ron brown in commerce to get a sign off. that's a scandal. by the time monica came along everybody was so tired. but for some reason the press was stu by and that was what everybody, the people were stupid. that's what they could grab hold to when there were so many other scandals behind that so much more important. >> two points here. one is that for some reason or another they are so attracted to having the media bashing them

all the time they seem to to out of their way to engage in the media. the second thing is in terms of the 1990s and today with regard to hillary clinton, it's just an inentirely different time. in the 1990s or when she -- >> they're not going to get away with this. >> i tend to agree with you. no economic castastrophe. there was no -- we were not at war for 15 years in the 1990s. it's very different today. >> i got to go to jonathan capehart and then ferguson. jonathan you know politicians got away with things in the 1990s. they will not get away with now because of the internet because of everything that's online because of bloggers. news organizations don't get away today with what they got away with in the 1990s because you've got a million watchdogs out there watching everything you do. do you grow with what mike barnicle just said what worked in the 1990s for the clintons won't work for 2015? >> sure. we're knew living in a world of

transparency. in the 1990s as journalists we had information that only we could get and that only we could have gauze we had access to the a.p. and the upi wires and then we put the news out for people to see. today our readers and viewers get the same information we get at the same time because of twitter and all the social media platforms that we have. the problem that hillary clinton could possibly have when she sbets gets into the race is that the world that she's going to be running in is completely different than the world her husband ran in when he ran for president the first time in '92 and definitely since she ran for the nomination the first time in 2008. it's a completely different landscape. the world is more transparent. it's faster. i think andrea mitchell said it yesterday on your show that the story hit "the new york times"

website the night before around 9:30 10:00. hillary clinton's people didn't put out a press release or a statement until the show was on the air about 6:30 6:45. in the world we're in now and the transparent fast-paced world we're in now, you've got to move a whole lot faster than that. you cannot let a story like this sit out there for an hour or in some cases even 15 minutes. they're going to have to be more nimble quicker, and more transparent. >> they reacted actually to the first 45 minutes of us talking about it and then put out a statement at 6:45 and then all they did is jonathan is saying, make that the top story for all the broadcast news networks. we're going to move on. we have a lot to kov still. trymaine lee is going to join us after the break and latest update out of ferguson. >> how long story. >> an later, ann curry and her big interview, iran foreign minister.

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the justice department released full review of the ferguson missouri, police department yesterday that details a pattern of racial lu biased behavior. however, the report found no such evidence in the case that sparked the entire investigation, the one involving the unharmed teenager michael brown. the release of the findings led to a night of protests outside police department headquarters where at least two people were arrested. nbc news correspondent ron allen reports from ferguson. >> reporter: despite months of passionate demands from protesters federal investors decided not to charge former police officer darren wilson say heg feared for his life agented in self-defense, killing michael brown. closing that civil rights case

while demanding ferguson make sweeping reforms to end what officials insist is a wide spread pattern of racially biased policing and using court fines to raise city revenue. >> this investigation found a community that was deeply polarized. a community where deep distrust and hostility often characterized interactions between police and area residents. >> reporter: the report found shocking instances of alleged i bus including police using dogs against black suspect, force against the mentally ill, and the doj is demanding ferguson change its stop search and arrest procedure, limit excessive force, and use tasers and dogs only if a supervisor is present, embrace community based policing, and recruit, hire, and promote diverse officers. a protest organizer says he prays change will come. >> do you think there's a willingness here? >> yea and nay.

nay on the simple fact that once the tengsz gets off of it it will go back to the way it used to be done. >> reporter: a statement from brown's parents said, while we are saddened by this decision we are enkour rammed that the doj will hold the ferguson police department accountable for the pattern of racial bias. praying that true change will come not only in ferguson but around the country. >> the city's mayor has not said whether or not the police chief will keep his job. i'm not sure why that's a question. >> pretty stunning. with us now msnbc national reporter germane lee, covering this story from the beginning. you read some of the information coming out of the doj finding and it's almost like there are lone sharks like a constant shakedown. you get a black resident with a cracked windshield you pull him in then you get interest more

interest, then you throw him in jail. i mean just how many people's lives were ruined this way? >> at once it's kind of shocking but we've been hearing about this for a very long time. so while this reporter was certainly blistering there was no glee involved no here that what people have been saying validated. the extent at which people's constitution aolal rights were violated. we're talking about one of the anecdotes in the report a young man playing basketball and cooling off in his car. officer approaches. demands his identification. he said i have my constitutional rights. the officer puts a gun to his head accuses him of being a pedophiled. he was arrested and lost his job. there are not just nuisance stops. >> whether or not it was completely the plan it's a systemic pattern of racism that keeps a segment of the society down. >> at least the police department, supervisor, and the

court system. black folks were 68% less likely to have their cases thrown out. >> it was a we of life. >> you've been out there. what is it about ferguson that area that breeds this sort of racism, that you actually don't see in parts of the deep south now, at least you certainly don't see it as much in court systems. why ferguson? >> i don't know if question with qualify the level of racism but if you look at ferguson, florida, so many small communities across the northeast and the south where it's easy to put your thumb on the very depleted community folks who have low employment. they don't have any money. the guys are hanging out because they don't have jobs not in school. it's easy t. do because who is advocating for people. see it across the country. this reminded me of sanford, florida, where trayvon martin was killed. it's like fish in a barrel. it's easy. >> you've got the perfect storm with the police department that is predominantly white. i mean talk about setting a

community up to fail because there's absolutely no connection. >> also a level of training. do officers even know the law? do they know what they should be stopping folks for? at least in this case they were actually competing to see how many charges they could give on one stop. they were motivate bid theiratedtivated by their supervisors. it's nothing new for the folks in ferguson officer wilson was obviously had intense scrutiny on him at one point. people suggest that he shot michael brown while his hands were up. the justice department actually exonerated him yesterday. >> the bar is so high for federal civil rights charges anyway, but in a case like this where there isn't any video, the facts were in dispute. >> they said the forensic evidence supported wilson's claim and this is eric holder's justis department. >> couldn't dispute or support his claims. but it was the moment that this

happened, i mean the facts were in dispute. we know this was a struggle but we didn't know much more than that. >> one thing not in dispute, serious problems in ferguson. do you think things are going to change? >> that's a stretch. eric holder said he's going to use all the resources of the department of justice to try to force some change here. but one concern that folks have on the ground is ferguson is one thing but go two blocks to the north, two blocks to the south and you're in communities that look the same and feel the same and operate under the same culture. if the department of justice really throws its weight behind training, forcing a shake-up within the department because in that department -- in the report police officers said their supervisors enkour ramged the excessive ticketing. so it's a systemic thing inside the department. >> it's how they fund their basic government function. remarkable. >> really disturbing revelations. >> really are. 50 years, here we are. 50 years after selma and we come

such a long way but this shows we have a long way to go. >> that's right. >> thank you so much for being with us. >> appreciate it. coming up, the fate of obamacare is in the air after the latest showdown with the supreme court. why all eyes may be on one justice.

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and kennedy questioned what the consequences would be. it's almost as congress wrote the law, set it up to blows up. >> so sema though kennedy obviously was one that was actually coulding the chief justice about upholding obamacare. >> right. and he did that in 2012. that's why we expect it now. but okay does everybody remember from law school the rule of completeness? you can't take those four or six words if you expand the sentence, you have to look at the entire statue. and what is the entire statue said? it says flexibility, it says all americans. they set up healthcare.gov as the federal exchange so they have that. there's nothing else to look for. this is a lock. >> so neil, we're hearing it's a lock. i'm going to ask you, neil with some trepidation because when i asked you for the outcome last time, nine justices, you said the administration was going to win 47-0. it ended up being a little

closer. i want to ask you about roberts. where is roberts this time? >> well, it's always hard to know. i think i predicted last time it would be at least 5-4. this time i think it will be as well. >> i think you said 8-1. >> it could have been 8-1. it could be 8-1 here. i think the argument yesterday really revealed the challengers points fell apart within minutes five and six of the argument. it's not really the questions that justice ken thenedy asked or the chief. it's the answering. they vint really have the answer for the first question which is hey, you're reading the statue but there's a defined term for the word exchange. it was a very tough thing. i think the chief justice and i think justice kennedy are both very much possible supporters of the affordable care act in this particular case. >> seema, with this court, conservative with a small "c." if they were going to unwind this thing they would have unwound it before.

000 they understand. people think that they just read -- they just don't read the law. they look at the political landscape and right now are they now going to be willing to undercut this and destroy it when there are tens of thousands of people? >> no, because it's not only the politics that is on their side. but it is the law. so the problem with the supreme court is their politics are so transparent we know how everybody rules. we know what everybody thinks. >> until we don't. >> until we don't. >> until chief justice shocks us. >> right. because of kennedy. >> so -- >> depending on the questions kennedy asks, you all know what he's going to do? >> i would never use oral arguments to gauge for an outcome. >> i'm not a lawyer. i have no idea what you're talking about. how do you know what's going to happen? >> this is perfect example. i think kennedy is at least showing his cards by asking all the questions. but i'm saying if you just look at the definition from the statue that says in exchange

shall be blah, blah blah which points to it being either a federal exchange or if a state sets up one. and if you look at this -- >> if it was that simple would it have even arrived at the supreme court? >> i don't know how it has. >> you don't know. a lot of times you have justices use oral argument to make sure they're getting it right and they will press the attorney who is actually on their side to see if they've got it right. and see if there are any holes in the argument. neil, again, one of the big shocks over the past 20 25 years certainly in the supreme court came when the chief justice decided to uphold the affordable care act, do you think this is going to come down to the chief justis and anthony kennedy? >> i think that those two are the most likely votes for the administration from republican presidents who nominated them. but look i think that this whole notion that the supreme court is always predictable and partisan and divided is wrong.

last term they agreed unanimously in two-thirds of the cases. go back to 1940 to find that. this is a court looking for common ground. i think this case is an easy opportunity for them to provide that common ground. >> neil thank you so much. seema, thank you. lisa, thank you. looks like we have three people predicting the law is going to be upheld. >> no predictions here. >> you're the wise one here. >> careful. coming up next "time" magazine says jeb bush's relationship with the brother, former president george w. bush is complicated. it's hard. it's hard. it's always been hard. it's always been hard. we'll explain when we come back. in one year 5.6 million hospital workers helped perform 26.6 million surgeries deliver 3.7 million babies and treat 133 million e.r. patients. now congress is considering cuts which could increase wait times reduce staff, and threaten your community's health. keep the heart of america's hospitals strong. for you and your family

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even when he was growing up he was that way in the order of the kids. and their management style is different. w. is quite a goodell gator. he had a team around him he trusted. it's not clear that jeb had that end kind of trust in his team. >> the thing is though nicolle, you worked for jeb. i knew a lot of people who worked for jeb in florida. you know what the problem working for jeb is? you know a lot of politicians always think they're the smartest people in the room and they're not. most politicians are not the smartest people in the room. jeb bush he's never been in a room where i don't think he was not the smartest person in the room. bag staff member to jeb bush was a nightmare because he always knew more than everybody in the room pep h had smart people around him. >> the other thing is he out works everybody who works for him. i was 25 when i went to work for jeb bush as press secretary. reporters were starting to e-mail, 1998 reporters still had his personal eshs mail

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the guy really can bury himself in his laptop and e-mail and it does think of his leadership style if the old man thought about it as relationships and w. governed from his gut, jeb really kind of thinks to himself as a manager and he can manage it. and that's one of the reasons he's been able of as mark pointed out to go and raise sometimes looks like he's going to get close to $100 million here sometime in the second quarter. he's raising a million dollars a day. and he's doing it three, four times a day at $150 a pop. this never happened before. shatter romney and obama's records. >> there's a new q poll out. sorry to step over you. walker at 18%. jeb at 16%. chris christie at 8%. huckabee at 8%. rand pal at 6%. ted cruz at 6%. mike barnicle you have a question? >> i'm wondering, jeb bush how does he navigate what's been going on in the republican party

for years but, specifically it raised its head again at the cpac convention. >> i think he just sticks to his guns. both on immigration and common core in particular. he's everything he's said so far suggests he's not wavering an inch on this. betting that even people who may not agree with him on that will give him points for resolve. and so i think he will stay there and keep sticking. he came out of cpac boo'd and heckled. i'm guessing that for them is a success and the best they're going to do in a party, as you say, that's moved to the right in the last couple of years. >> i will say this too, nicolle. i've been at times not tough on jeb but i certainly haven't allowed my long-time association with him to stop anything i've said on the air about him. i will say this. cpac didn't surprise me because i remember in 1998 jeb right after he got elected he went like this do you know what "v" is for? vouchers. we're going to war.

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here with is now from minneapolis, "daily beast" contributor and founding editor ana marie cox who writes in the "daily beast" a piece entitled why i'm coming out as a christian, and she writes in part this -- why do i need to prove my faith and why should i try? i've lately observed questioning obama's faith with more than professional interests, because if obama is not christian, what does that make me? high head taens to flaunt my faith has nothing do with fear

of judgment by non-believers. no. i'm nervous to come out as a christian because i worry i'm not good enough of one. i'm not scared that non-believers will make me feel and outcast. i'm scared that christians will. >> wow. >> ana i talked to you before this came out. you didn't know what the reaction is but you've actually been really surprised. tell us about it. >> well don't make me talk about it too much because i'll tear up but the reactions have been incredibly warm for the most part. there has been some negativity i would say from kind of all around the spectrum negativity. some people that are believers that tell me i'm not one people that are atheist, agnostic about me not being a believer but for the most part i've gotten a lot of support from across the aisle and my side of the aisle. i goes really there's no aisle in church whatsoever and i've also gotting really warm notes from people of different faiths and people who are atheist or agnostic but who tell me they were moved by the piece and that

they're happy for me. so i was proven wrong in a really really great way. a really humbling and terrific way. it's been quite a week. >> i would like to know because i've seen you over the years. we've crossed paths professionally. how would you describe yourself before you found your faith and yourself now? on every level. >> well you know i think the most significant difference i talk about it a little in the piece which is that i think before i found this faith and this grace, i believed that i was a bad person. and not just a bad person but an unforgivably bad person. that deep inside, no matter what i did -- in the piece i call a grade grubbing for extra credit. i thought i had an insurmountable badness that i had to work extra hard at had to succeed in personal and professional life if i was ever going to be liked or really ever loved by someone, and what faith

has taught me at the gospel of grace has taught me is that i may be fallen i may have badness in me, as everyone does, but that i am saved despite that. that i have grace offered to me no matter who i am or what i've done. no matter if i've liberal, conservative, done bad things in the past or haven't done bad things to me that that's just offered to me just because, and that -- that's an amazing thing to feel and to believe, and that sort of the thing that i wanted to say out loud and it's the beauty of that that i think makes people want to share their faith. it's not because i think you should believe like i do. it's because i found something incredibly precious and it's too precious not to share with others. >> you found peace. >> yeah. peace and -- and if not peace then at least gratitude. peace and happiness are hard to come by on a day-to-day basis, but usually i can manage to like scrape up some gratitude if i try. >> ana, i saw you last week and

i immediately knew something was different. you had said that people came up to you that didn't know that you had given your life to jesus, and said you've changed. without even talking to you. mika -- we were looking at your video a couple of days ago, one of your interviews and mika looked as you and after about three seconds, she said oh my god. she is so beautiful. and she looked so different. she was -- it was like it was the first time she had ever seen you before. she was just immediately taken. by your faith. isn't that amazing? >> it's amazing and also probably is the yoga. i'll be quite honest. but, no. i mean i definitely -- there's yoga botox -- no. you know definitely there's a lightness in my life now that i think people see on me. >> i do. >> it's that -- what's lifted is that feeling of self-judgment. that feeling that i am somehow

doomed because i'm not a good person. and i don't believe that anymore, and that is what i feel like gives me a little more lightness than i used to have. >> the girl i saw before was tied up in knots and unhappy. and the woman i see now is at peace, for whatever it's worth it's working for you. ana marie cox, thank you. very much. >> thank you so much. >> we'll get much more online. your piece is on "the daily liily beast." and coming up ann curry's exclusive interview with iran's foreign minister. we'll be right back. then... wham! a minivan t-bones you. guess what: your insurance company will only give you 37-thousand to replace it. "depreciation" they claim. "how can my car depreciate before it's first oil change?" you ask. maybe the better question is why do you have that insurance company? with liberty mutual new car replacement, we'll replace the full value of your car. see car insurance in a whole new light.

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oh my gosh. it's another one. another snowy, rainy, sloppy day. >> isn't this great? >> welcome to "morning joe." it's not friday. >> no. this is it. this is it. bill karins tells us after this -- this is the last storm. >> and you believe him, because -- >> well we were lovers for 15 years in the 1960s. >> yeah. >> 15 years. it was a long decade. >> sounds like it. okay. >> yeah. maybe it just felt like 15 years, but, no. it's the last one. it's going to be in the 40s next week and how sad and pathetic a guy from florida is excited about weather getting into the 40s in march! >> hi jim. hi nicole. >> hi mika. >> in washington jonathan capehart. >> how you doing? >> swell. how are you? >> doing okay. you're getting snow aren't you? >> it's just raining here.

>> oh good! okay. >> just wait. it's coming. everyone's got their finley veil seasonal defective disease. >> totally. we're all in bad mood. >>'s didn't you want to be in california? >> keep trying to move there, but it never works out. we're going to talk about hillary clinton's private e-mails. developments yesterday even after the show. >> yeah. unbelieve al how they're doing this. hillary puts out a statement. i told the state department to release all the e-mails. telling the state don't release the e-mails that she has allowed them to see. and then marie harf came out yesterday, said 55,000. that's a big number. as jon stewart said that is a big number -- but there are bigger numbers. and those bigger numbers are the numbers hillary eventually -- listen -- >> has to deal with it. >> she broke the regulation. she's going to have to turn that server over. >> david brock thinks that if he

says this cup is blue we're going to believe it's blue but -- >> let's not say that about a guest that came on the show. >> he was trying to tell me she didn't break the -- >> why are you so mad? what do you think is in there? >> why am i so mad? >> yeah. >> i'm not mad. >> that's angry. >> a great way to start the -- >> what's in there? what do people think she's hiding? it's e-mail. it always gets out. you can get hacked. look at amy pascal. >> nobody's mad. >> i can't believe you seem to be asking these questions. can you imagine what would have happened if we found out after dick cheney got out of office dick cheney had private e-mails. >> oh, i'm tired already. do you know how many times i printed out all my personal and political e-mails for him, like 7,000 times, i printed out -- >> you did. the clintons don't think, jim -- the clintons don't think they live by the same rules that everybody else lives by. this is such a flashback to the 1990s. you know why it is? because they live by their own rules. >> he might be a little angry.

>> don't think what applies to everybody else applies to them. >> i think it's more about -- >> i want to see how they handle it. it's a good -- >> a good test. right. this is an important test. don't have much else to talk about in terms of the campaign. so this is is a good -- >> i want to see her deal with it. >> you don't think this is a big deal? >> i think it's so typical of them. it's e-mail. >> exactly. >> not encrypted nsa e-mails. this is like hotmail.com. >> no no. she was secretary of state. had her own server broke regulations. >> i'm wondering, somebody that served in the white house, why are you so flip about specific regulations. the white house saying this is how you will do that? >> did the white house say that? >> yes, they did. 's in 2009 and then jay carney in 2011 had a press conference and said these are the rules how everybody in this administration will live by. >> so four years you think she called every day and was has haa. not going to do it?

>> no. decided to do it their own way and if getting a zevserver. >> that the clintons are trying to hide stuff and acting like a vast right wing conspiracy people want to see it it's so classic it's almost biblical. this always happens that doesn't make it not a story. >> i'm not saying it's not a story. i'm saying we're going to talk about it it will get turned over, it's going to be a bunch of wedding stuff. who did she e-mail that you think we're not going to see. >> how do you know that? >> i'm just saying -- >> the thing is they have the rules in washington for a reason. again, i just want to make sure people at home don't think you're being flip about this. >> i'm just saying that with the clinton -- first of all you talked at 455:40 on "way too early," he turned over everything. i think she'll end up turning everything over too. it's unsustainable, right?

to not turn everything over. >> if jeb bush knew there was a law in the state of florida that required him -- there is. you know. >> can i finish? that, to have a public e-mail address, and not a private one, would jeb bush just say, i'm not going to abide by that law. >> no. but my point was, they're the clintons. what laws -- they don't ever live by the rules that everybody else in the political arena lives for. >> even if nothing in the e-mails it is a political problem for them. talk to any republicans. where is she most vulnerable? people think the clintons are too political and above the law and this goes to the heart of it happen politically it's an issue and there's a possibility there is something in the e-mails she didn't want others to see. if that is that is a big issue. and we don't know until we see it. >> no one will be surprised she is the first secretary of state in history to conduct all diplomatic business -- she wasn't like the secretary of

hhs. her e-mails are with other foreign leaders. nobody should be surprised. >> but she knew what the administration -- >> and defied it for four years. >> that's the story. >> they open themselves up to this when they give the 55,000 and not others it makes you wonder, what's in the other e-mails? >> of course. >> if they didn't have a dot gov, it's correspondence with other leaders and everything else. >> and with us now jonathan capehart. let me read what "the washington post" wrote. it's in this morning's paper. clinton's poor judgment. it may be that ms. clinton used private e-mail because she anticipated republicans would be on prowl for scandal and wanted to control what part of the record might be xruten nscrutinized but don't excuse secrecy revealed before and that remain as worrying attribute as ms.

clinton possibly enters a presidential campaign. if people aspire to public service they should behave at stewards of public trust including the records, all of them. ms. clinton's use of private e-mail shows poor regard for that public trust. jonathan? >> well, look i think this gets to what jim, i think it was jim was just saying about how this story and this situation plays into the narrative of the clintons. that the clintons are very secretive, and that the clintons believe that the rules do not apply to them. i think it's a good thing that secretary clinton put that tweet out last night saying she will release all of her e-mails, and wants them released but this is a serious situation for the secretary. you know, i still can't square for myself how she could do this given what the law is given what the spirit of the law is but, you know as nicole said you know nicole's reaction is

interesting, because she's, ah -- it's the clintons. you know? they believe that rules don't apply to them. i think because this fits into the narrative we've been through with both of them for the last 20 years, i wonder if terms of political scandal, one whether we'll ultimately see there's a there, there and two whether the public will ultimately care and come to the point where nicole is which is you know so what? let's move on. >> let's get to some -- >> so much other news to get to. can i please go to ferguson. >> start in ferguson. >> please. latest developments the justice department's full review of the city's police department was released on wednesday, which details a pattern of racially biased behavior. however, the report found no such evidence in the case that sparked the entire investigation, the one involving unarmed teenager michael brown. the findings led to a night of

protests outside police headquarters where at least two people were arrested. nbc news correspondent ron allen reports from ferguson. >> reporter: despite moss of passionate demands from protesters in ferguson federal investigators decided not to charge former police officer darren wilson saying he feared for his life acted in self-defense killing an unarmed teenager michael brown. closing that civil rights case demanding ferguson make sweeping reforms in a widespread pattern of racially biased policing and using court fines to raise city revenue. >> this investigation found a community that was deeply polarized. a community where a deep distrust and hostility often characterized interactions between police and area residents. >> reporter: the report found shocking instances of alleged abuse including police almost exclusively using dogs against black suspects excessive force against the mentally ill and erasing all fines issued to members of the police and court. the doj demandsing ferguson stop

it's stop search and arrest measures and use tasers and dogs only if a supervisor is present and recruit, hire and promote diverse officers. pastor carlton lee prays change will come. >> do you think there's a willingness here? >> yea and nay. yea on the fact so much attention is brought in on it. nay, once the attention gets off of it it will go back to the way it's used to being done. >> reporter: a statement from brown's parents said we are saddened by this decision but confident they will hold the police department accountable for the pattern of racial bias adding true change will come not only in ferguson but around the country. >> that was ron allen reporting. a lot of work needs to be done. the city's mayor has not said whether or not the police chief will keep his job. he could just say, he's going. >> i mean how could the police chief keep his job?

by way -- >> come on -- >> this is a mayor, who by the way said at the height of the protests he didn't think there was a problem. there's a problem. >> they need to clean out the leaders there. >> and jonathan kpap hart inhnnathan capehart, parents, mixed, the justice department determines that the officer acted appropriately. or at least there wasn't evidence to show he did not act appropriately, but at the sam timesam e time widespread discrimination inside the ferguson department is shouldn't be shocking but it is shocking in 2015. >> yeah. on the darren wilson piece, we all know those of us who followed the justice department know what it means to bring civil rights charges. the bar was incredibly high for the justice department to even be able to charge officer wilson

with willfully violating the constitutional rights of michael brown. so the outcome of that doj investigation is not surprising. what is good about that investigation is that because the doj did it, we have in all the interviews that they did, all the evidence that they looked at and their reputation as being a referee, and, you know biased arbiter, we now have a clearer picture of what happened that day. now, on the other side the other report that came out about the ferguson police department, i have to tell you, in reading it it just -- it broke my heart. >> yeah. >> that here we are, 2015 50th anniversary of the march on selma. >> yep. >> and we're talking about a police department in the united states of america, in 2015 that is working hand in glove with the municipal courts and also with the city government to finance its municipal budget on the backs of poor.

>> the poorest people in ferguson. >>ed poorest people in ferguson and african-americans. >> and racism. >> and you read some of the things. the woman who was stopped for a simple traffic violation who -- a ticket that was $151. she ultimately ended up having to pay $541 and still owes another $500 because of the mounting fines and fees that were imposed by the city of ferguson, and by the courts. and so my sincerest hope is that this report from doj will shake ferguson into getting its act together, because if it doesn't, the justice department has the right too sue them and force them do it and mayor knowles press conference yesterday was woefully inadequate. he should have come out there yesterday and instead of telling us about the three office investigated for some of those racist e-mails and the one terminated, the first words out

of his mouth after saying i am so sorry about this should, have been, police chief thomas jackson is gone. >> is relieved. >> thank you. >> relieved of his duty. >> absolutely. >> willie how's the mayor going to do that when he said there was no racism in ferguson? >> he can't say it now. we've seen the doj report. i agree with jonathan. the decision with darren wilson was expected. difficult to prove civil rights charges but look inside the doj study, the statistics are appalling and a handful of e-mails, i don't hold the entire department responsible for group of people e-mailed and forwarded shows such contempt for african-american, the very people they're sworn to protect, it's disgusting. references about president obama, about the first lady i won't even repeat. it just shows a mind-set in a culture within that police department that has to be blown up. >> culture, pattern. how about way of life? based on racism. >> by the way, i lived in northwest florida, alabama, georgia, mississippi, for 40

years. i never saw anything like this from public officials. where is this place? i don't get it. i mean would i have seen this in mississippi in 1973? '74? yes. but 2015 in the middle of america? no. there are -- obviously there -- i am not ignorant enough to believe that ferguson missouri is the only place where this sort of racism exists. i'm saying as a son of the south, though, i'm absolutely stunned at the degree of racism at this. this city. in this police department. >> i think there's good that's going to come out of this that goes beyond ferguson. a fascinating piece from the koch brothers on the record talking about working with george soros and other liberals on criminal justice reform. there's now a trajectory because of cases like this to do something substantial at the federal level, uniting conservatives and liberals. a huge opportunity.

you read it disgusting the type of stuff you sadly need to give impetus to real change. >> unbelievable. still ahead on "morning joe," nbc news specialcorrespondent ann curry breaking down an interview with iran's foreign minister. and ambassador to the united states ron dernor is here with his country's reaction shgtsz, and are you looking for a new job? the place "forbes" says is the perfect place to work. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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unlike mika aren't like the duck boots just for show. walking around swanny, go oh look at -- >> kind of cute. look at the front page of "the boston globe." it was him. a grachkphic opening statement kicking off the boston marathon bombing. the worst act of domestic terrorism since 9/11. nbc news's peter alexander joins us live from boston with the latest. peter? >> reporter: mika and joe, good morning. expecting another emotional day of testimony at the federal cows behind us starts about 9:00 this morning. it comes after on the first day of this trial boston bombing survivors for the first time faced the man that eastern the defense admits tried to kill them. and the suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev appeared to be fighting for his life but not for his innocence. inside boston's federal courthouse today bombing suspect

dzhokhar tsarnaev defense lawyer made a stunning admission. it was him. tsarnaev showed no emotion wearing a dark blazer and open collared shirt. he faces 30 charges, many that could carry the death penalty including using a womeneapon of mass destruction. he admitted the explosions extinguished three lives. among the victims, an 8-year-old. showing his death as his parents wiped away tears. taking the stand, rebecca gregory who lost her left leg and remembers hearing her son calling, mommy, mommy, mommy and thinking to herself, god, if this is it take me but let me know noah is okay. and badly wounded, another, thinking i was going to sleep. felt peaceful. i was fading fast. another survivor wants to see tsarnaev punished. >> it's important somebody like that isn't ever out in the public again. >> reporter: the jury made up of

10 women and 8 men will also be shown never before seen surveillance video of the defendant placing the pressure cooker bomb right behind a row of children. he pretended to be a spectator but had murder in his heart the prosecutor said, adding he believed he was a soldier in a holy war against americans. the defense tried to shift the blame to tsarnaev's older brother tamerlan who died when accidently run over by his younger brother during a shoot-out with police insisting it was tamerlan too self- self-radicalized. >> the best sympathy, this relationship with this brother. >> reporter: still the defense said we will not argue tamerlan put a gun to his brother's head. hiding in this boat prosecutors found a message scrawled inside. i asked allah to make me a martyr offering what they say is a motive for tsarnaev's bombing attack. he thought it would help secure him a place in paradise. an overnight, rebecca gregory, one of the survivors who lost

one of her legs wrote an open letter on her facebook page to dzhokhar tsarnaev saying that she has experienced, has seen him in her nightmares for the course of the last two years and said he is the source of fear. here's what else she said. she said today i looked at you right in the face and realized i wasn't afraid anymore, and today i realize that sitting across from you was somehow the crazy kind of step forward that i needed all along. joe and mika sort of a sense of collective catharsis for some in this community to finally have the chance to look tsarnaev in the face and communicate to him exactly what he did to them and ultimately carry his fate in their hands. >> peter alexander, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> there's an approach and a personality to stand sdwlaup-up we like to put in a box. particularly the entertainment industry. good looking guy. >> type cast. >> type cast. >> you and clooney. >> yeah. me and clooney. my conversation with jiff

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secretary of state john kerry is in saudi arabia this morning trying to ease concerns about a possible nuclear deal with iran and while israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is sounding alarms about iran's nuclear capability

ann curry sat down with iran's foreign minister for an exclusive response. >> well mr. netanyahu has been proclaiming, predicting that iran will have a nuclear weapon within two three, four years, since 1992. iran is not about building nuclear weapon. we don't want to build nuclear weapons's we don't believe that nuclear weapons bring security to anybody. certainly not to us. >> reporter: we able to find the tweet he referred to from the supreme leader. "think barbaric animal spare nos crime has no cure but to be annihilated." can you understand why jews and others would take umbrage at this kind of language? >> no. talking about netanyahu who has butchered innocent children in gaza. we're not talking about

annihilation of juice, never have -- jews. never have never will. comes to united states and creates a hysteria about something that doesn't exist. we nerve her a bomb, nerve letter have a bomb, but he does have a bomb. he has 200 nuclear weapons. >> why should americans trust iran on this? >> but we're not asking anybody to trust us and we are not going to trust anybody for the time being. we take one step at a time. we're not asking for trust. we're asking for verification and we are accepting verification. >> joe and michael with me. that response is remarkable and ann curry joins us live now from switzerland, along with nbc news contributor humon hodge and what wos your response when he refused to accept that tweet? >> it was very difficult for him to go against, of course, as

supreme leader of iran whose office or he himself issued that tweet. he said and he also said that he made a very big distinction between annihilating the regime of israel what was in the tweet, a regime of israel versus the jur jewish people making it very clear neither he or anyone in the iranian government has any design on hurting jewish people and made a big point how there are jews in iran and how iran played a major role in saving the lives of jews including during world war ii but that that's not the purpose at all, but that they're very angry at the government essentially, currently netanyahu's government in israel, for a policy they say say he says has been very painful for a lot of people, including he accused netanyahu and the government for supporting terrorism. >> reporter: in syria, yeah yeah. >> and he named the -- >> on a front, yes.

and i think you're right, ann. the main thing to understand is that perhaps dr. zarif wouldn't use that language, but they never recognized the legitimacy of israel and who knows if they ever will, but they don't recognize a jewish state in what they call palestine. i don't think that's unusual or particularly newsworthy iran would not accept the legitimacy of israel as state. >> all right. thanks so much. mika, back to you. any other questions? >> i was going to say, though back to both of you at the same time though wasn't talking about the annihilation of jews across the globe, of course at the same time a tweet appeared eded not just to take aim at benjamin netanyahu regime but the state of israel. again, israeli leaders brought up for quite some time, ads run in the united states that there is a long history of iranian leaders talking about the need

to annihilate the state of israel. what kind of impact do you think this will have in israeli politics today? your interview? >> well you know it's hard for me to judge because i'm not in israel but i know that the interview is being widely played in the israeli media including in the "jerusalem post" and in several other newspapers. >> it's being picked up. >> especially given the israeli election for netanyahu's re-election campaign is what? about a week and a little less than two weeks now. >> two weeks, yeah. >> that certainly people who have been moved by his warm reception in washington i mean he got i don't know how many standing ovations in this speech on tuesday. >> 40, i think. >> it certainly will be considered to some degree. >> it's going to be a factor. i agree with you, ann and netanyahu himself will probably use some elements of what zarif said to show iran is still hostile to israel and could use the sound bite you included.

as an example of how iran cannot be trusted, because they want -- what they want the destruction of the israeli regime. >> one of the things that we heard from the foreign minister zarif, not only that they don't want a nuclear weapon. he made the statement that iran will never have a nuclear weapon. he made that very emphatically. it's essentially against the religion. mika? >> thank you both so much for your coverage. we'll get that reaction right now live on "morning joe." here with us from washington israeli ambassador to the u.s. ambassador ron dermer. >> mr. ambassador thank you so much for being with us. we'll ask you right off the top. >> good to be with you. >> what is your rakz reaction to the foreign minister of iran not bake backing away from a statement? >> not surprised and commend your journalists to asking him two very tough questions. first of all, put the tweet out. calling for israel's annihilation.

said it's not unusual for countries not to recognize israel in the region. that's true. it is quite unusual for a country to call for israel's i annihilation and to work every day towards that annihilation by surrounding israel with terror groups. hezbollah in lebanon. various iranians in the syrian golan and hamas and islamic jihad in gaza iran arms them with tense of thousands of rockets which they have fired on israel and they have over 100,000 more troctsrockets to fire at israel. that's very unusual. the second thing i commend your journalists to asking him, to best of my knowledge, the first time asked of foreign minister zarif, why he laid a wreath at the grave of a man responsible for the murder of more americans than any other terrorist besides osama bin laden and he did that while negotiates with the united states on a nuclear agreement. i commend ann for asking him those two good questions and obviously didn't get answers because there are no answers for

it. >> ambassador he did say he would not distance himself from the supreme leader's statement that israel needed to be annihilated. i wonder what impact that's going to have inside of israel today, that you have the foreign minister who's negotiating with john kerry right now telling the americans that there's nothing for israel to worry about, when he will not distance himself from his leader calling for the annihilation of your nation? >> well i don't think it's going have a big impact joe, because no one in israel was fooled by the charm of zarif. we know what's happening in iran. hanging gays in public squares, continuing aggression in the region, there is as the prime minister said gobbled up four era capitals. they control baghdad, beirut damascus and now sanaa in yemen. the question is whether or not his comments will open the eyes of people around the world to what type of regime you're really dealing with in iran.

>> mike barnicle? >> mr. ambassador since the prime minister's appearance before congress, have you spoken to either denis mcdonough susan rice, chief of staff, and susan rice national security in the white house, or secretary of state kerry about the appearance and about healing this rupture, this apparent rupture, between israel and the united states? >> no. not since two days ago. i'm sure i'll speak to them in the days ahead. you know, we have good relations with the united states and the administration. they've been ongoing. had policy differences. certainly a big disagreement on the issue of the best way to prevent iran from developing a nuclear weapon but we'll work through the disagreements. big disagreements with the united states in the past but our alliance is always emergealed stronger because we share common values and when you listen to what the iranian so-called moderate foreign minister has to say, you understand how important two countries who share values how important it is for them to stand together. >> joe has one more question. >> one more question for you. you have somehow gotten in the middle of this dispute and now

reports out of israel that white house officials believe you're firing the replacemented of you could actually be key to healing wounds between the united states and israel? >> because of the speech. >> what your response? >> look i serve at pleasure of the government of israel and serve the people of israel and i'll do my best as ambassador to continue to ensure that the relationship between the united states and israel remains as strong as possible and to continue to ensure that israel's case is heard in america and i think that's exactly what the prime minister did in his speech to congress. he had a rare opportunity and we're deeply appreciative of that opportunity to speak about an issue that could affect the survival of israel before the american congress and the american people and we're deeply grateful and grateful for the support of the president of the united states in so many areas, we are grateful for his support as well even if we have a disagreement on this issue. >> i don't think you need to pack your bags soon mr. ambassador. thank you gore being with us. ambassador ron dermer. >> thank you very much, mr.

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right? >> four years in a row. six of the last eight years. >> pretty good. >> i don't think people are too surprised about that. right? cool campus. great free food. you know work out. what's interesting about this list is all the companies, not the googles and twitters but the marriotts. those aren't glamorous jobs and the number one job title is housekeeper. it's been on the list every year for the 18 years we've done this. >> why's that? >> because they care about their people and their people care about them. it gets to that sort of intangible issue of culture. i mean joe, you think about what's going on in society where people have fewer affiliations. >> right. fewer connections. >> they're not of the religious affiliation, not strong political affiliation. families are smaller and more disbursed. >> right. >> the job, the workplace, is the biggest in many cases, biggest institutional. >> their family. public's also a great supermarket. wegman's, mark barnicle's favorite.

>> publix and whole foods on it for 18 years. >> what have they done right? >> take care of their people. >> whole foods does. everything's expensive, but maybe they're on to something. because the people who work there seem extremely engaged with the company. >> yeah. >> at every level. >> they love it. it's relationships. these are the people you dpis spend your day with each other. the culture in the workplace and the relationships you form and how you feel about that. do you feel like you're doing something good? trusted and empowered to do something good? that's what really happens. >> looking at the top ten here is there a common theme in the top ten in this -- wegman's open add brand new supermarket in burlington massachusetts. the week it opened i was in there shopping talking to one of the people just hired. he had been paid for two months before the thing opened. plenty of benefits a lot of smiles around the workplace with people. is that a common theme? the industry? >> they definitely take care of their people and as a result tend to have good benefits but

the survey it's not primarily pay and benefits. primarily the relationships. the connections. >> good relationships, feel you're part of something bigger. >> exactly. >> it's the culture. >> i want to know about best companies for women and if there are new ones on the list here and you've got it there in front of you. >> health care is -- >> don't want to throw you off. >> health care is strong for women. obviously. meridian health is on there. children's health care of atlanta. >> what were you looking at as opposed to just best companies to work for? what's the criteria for women? >> to the women in those companies, they feel supported. are the issues that tend to fall more heavily on women like parental -- >> leaving, leaving in general? >> yes. getting out at 4:30. >> yeah. >> mika you and i talked about this extraordinary post on the fortune.com whom apologized to the women who work for her before she had kids scheduling meetings at 4:30 in the meeting when parent conferences tended

to happen. other things that were played it very difficult to have a family and it's not about -- not about the number of hours you work. it's about the flexibility. >> how it works for you. all right. alan murray thank you so much. we'll be looking for the new issue of "fortune." up next willie's conversation with comedian jim gaffigan. we find out what food is such an integral part of his stand uproutine. he'll explain that. we'll be right back. there were tears in my eyes. and tears in my eyes. and so many little things that we learned were really the biggest things. through it all, we saved and had a retirement plan. and someone who listened and helped us along the way. because we always knew that someday the future would be the present. every someday needs a plan. talk with us about your retirement today. i'm a weight watchers coach, all of us have lost weight with weight watchers and are now helping other people do the same. log into your computer or your phone at anytime and you can chat with me.

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msnbc joined the 90 second glchlt a special project calmed seven days of genius examine the concept of genius and those who changed our world. as part of the series willie sat down with comic great jim gaffigan and how he was inspired to go into comedy. >> when did the love affair with food begin? >> gosh, you know, i think it goes back to i've always had a strange attachment to food. my sister pam, for my birthday when i was 8 or 10 gave me a package of hot dogs and it was -- >> for your birthday? >> yes, for my birthday. and it was one of the best gifts i got that year and it's not as if my mom didn't buy hot dogs. my sister pam knew that's what i would want. >> she went to the store and -- specific purpose of giving it to you as a gift? >> yeah. she gave me a package of hot dogs, a six pack of dr. pepper

just so you know i am white trash and a hot air popcorn popper. the high of that era. >> this will make you uncomfortable. people call you a comedic genius and we hear that term applied to different people who are funny. what is genius in the context of comedy mean to you? and you don't have to talk about yourself. although your business card -- >> it does say comedic genius. >> yes. >> you know i'm not worried of that, because i don't consider myself that. >> i reference mcdonald's a lot, because i go mcdonald's. i love the silence that follows that statement. like i just admitted to support dog fighting or something. how could you? mcdonald's? >> it's a very strange thing with stand-up comedy. it's you do comedy and people are like, you made -- you provided so much laughter and the strange thing is it's like

comedians, we get way more out of it. so i'll do a benefit show and they're like thank you so much for doing this benefit for this school. and you're like, i was going to da a show anyway. it's a very strange thing. >> you have 0 to work hard but don't you think robin williams is a great example? >> yeah. >> great comics are born with something different than the rest of us have? whether it's sense of humor or drive or perspective on the world that maybe could be classified as genius? >> yeah. i mean, i -- but i think that there's very funny people. every high school in america right now, there is a really funny person and there's a really funny quiet person that only a couple friends think it's funny, and i think -- i consider the comedic genius of someone like richard pryor to be a function of him navigating to

get to the position of richard pryor. this -- this -- i mean, there's the timeless quality of -- i think richard pryor was born funny, but i think that there's also a genius in navigating that process. particularly in the '70s and '60s, in this you know -- you know, racially tense country, richard pryor is -- is transforming how we speak about things. it wasn't just shock. it was very much insightful because there is something about jean wrous it feels -- genius it feels, it's very subjective right, and hyperbolic. right? i mean martin luther king was a genius. albert einstein. if you say genius you think albert einstein the guy who invented the pretzel numbers that have the peanut butter in there. i mean, that was a genius.

a genius at work. >> think about somebody like jerry seinfeld. how do you main thain drive you're talking about, that restlessness that genius when you've made "the" show of an era and you've made almost $1 billion, and you've got an airport hangar full of antique cars and how do you keep going after that? >> i don't know. i mean those are just a list of reasons to not like him. right? but i think that you -- you know i think seinfeld's a genius. i think chris rock's a genius i think eddie mur city a genius. jerry seinfeld know what's he wants to do jon stewart knows what he wants to do. their absence of self-doubt is attractive. there is something about chris rock and jerry seinfeld and richard pryor and george carlin where you get 80% of the population. we've become a very segmented culture. >> yeah. >> i don't want to sound like

obama. you know like i'm purple america, but die comei do come from a red state and my comedy appeals to both sides of the culture war. anyway, i'm saying i'm a great guy. >> were you going say, you bridge the divide. >> i bridge the divide. >> you do. >> i've enjoyed talking to you in front of these apples. >> yeah. these are good apples. i get these apples? >> no no. these are prop apples. yeah. sorry, buddy. >> that does it for us right here on "morning joe." that was great, willie. thank you so much an thank you, joe, for joining the women's roundtable. you were fantastic. >> it's been fantastic. >> okay. if it's way too early what time is it? >> it's "morning joe." stick around. because "the rundown" picks up coverage right after the break. >> see you tomorrow.

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