ve from new york. let's get to work. tonight, a frightening scene on the tarmac. >> they're sitting there and holding onto faith, hoping that everything is okay. >> i was sitting next to the window. i saw us quickly approaching the water. >> plus -- >> put the 40 caliber to my head. >> what's it like to be black and live in ferguson? >> the police officer drew his service weapon. pointed it at the man's head. this event appears to have been anything but an isolated incident. >> and later, life is a highway. >> we are just flirting with disaster. >> finding a highway bill is important. >> we're rounding third place and asking if disaster has any? >> it makes you leery going back and forth across the bridge. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks, there's a lot to get to. we start with the news out of

ferguson, missouri. there was a press conference today after the justice department's decision not to charge officer darren wilson in the death of michael brown. attorneys announced that they are filing a civil suit against the city of ferguson and officer darren wilson. they disagree with the findings of the department of justice. the report provides disturbing details about racial profiling from the ferguson police department. back in november we had a guest on this program who talked about his personal experience with the st. louis city police. it is eerily similar to the doj's finding about first son. #. >> this investigation found a community where deep distrust and hostility often characterized interacts between police and area residents. >> i was driving. pulled off. as soon as i pulled off i noticed three trucks following

us closely blind. once i see them hop out the vehicle, i noticed the police. i put my hands up. >> members of ferguson's police force frequently escalate rather than diffuse tensions with the residents they encounter. >> they instantly pulled me out of the car. didn't ask me for license or registration. put their 40 caliber to my head. told me if i move they would blow my head off. zblch when the man objected citing his constitutional rights, the police officer drew his service weapon pointed it at the man's head. >> i asked him what were we being arrested for. what was we stopped for. why were they following us. they told me to stop asking questions before people have to have a protest for me. >> according to the police department's own records, it's officers frequently infringe on residents first amendment rights. >> i decided to comply. stop asking questions. >> including arresting people for talking back to officers. >> they picked me up off the ground threw me in the car. no one ever told me what i was

stopped for. >> many of these constitutional violations have become routine. the officer whose truck i was sitting in he told me he didn't know why they stopped us. they adjust been watching my car for the last couple of weeks. for the last five days they had heavy surveillance on us. >> this in turn deepens the widespread distrust provehicles by the other constitutional exercises of police power. none of which is more harmful than the pattern of excessive force. >> they were completely out of control and disrft -- disrespectful. asked me what gang i was in. where are the drugs? am a big dope dealer rapper. >> these policing practicing disproportionally harm african-american residents. >> i wasn't afraid. it was something i was used to happening the to me. >> people feel deceived by those charged to serve and protect them. >> there's nothing more than they can do to me besides take my life. zblf the department of justice

found racial bias was the only explanation for ferguson police disproportionately targeting african-americans. we're going to visit now live in our studio tonight with a st. louis area activist who is the man you just saw in that story. great to have you with us. what were you thinking yesterday in some of the comments you heard clearly from the attorney general that vindicated and parallels your story? how do you feel about that? >> the only issue i have with it is it took the doj to come in and say this is what's going on. we live in this community. this is our life is. we were discredited. we were accused of being lairs. we were stalked and threatened on twitter. saying you guys are lying. t as soon as the doj makes a report saying everything these guys have been saying since

august is completely true. and now it's just like wow. >> the story that you told on air back in november of 2014 and the things the attorney general laid out yesterday, it's not the same story. that was a different issue. so this is routine. and that's the point of all of this. you live through what the attorney general was talking about. >> right. >> so how do you think the community is going to grasp all of this and then move forward with confidence? that's really the issue right now. they basically told us what we go through on a daily basis. they showed us our life in a glimpse on a piece of paper. so confidence is us getting an indictment. and indict george zimmerman. indict one of these other police officers or vigilantes taking black or brown life whenever they feel the need to. that will give us some confidence.

>> okay. moving forward and you take this information now to the department of justice has done this. you're an activist. what do you do with it? >> we continue to do what we've been doing. we fight. we studied the report because america is caught up on sfk statistics and numbers. you know what's going on out here. we study the report. both of them. whenever they want to argue and debate. we know all the facts that they put out there. and we continue to do what we've been doing. and that's fight for equality. >> so t-dubb-o, how have you been treated since the time you were on this program? have you experienced anything like what you describe that night over a year ago here and also what the attorney general has described. >> personally, i haven't. but i know friends who have. so things haven't changed. >> not at all. >> your friends. what do they go through? the exact same thing you describe? >> i don't know what a good cop is. that's me being completely honest. i've never had a positive experience with police.

i've never had a positive experience. people in my neighborhood go through this on a daily basis. i've witnessed cops picking up guys from a certain neighborhood and dropping them off in a rival neighborhood and say we have such and such from this side of town for you. come get them. or threaten to put guns and drugs on people. if you don't tell me who is doing this h in the community, in the neighborhood we're going to take you down for this felon violation. and it's evidence of this stuff out there. just last year a guy was picked up and it's all over facebook. he was threatening to put a gun on him and sending him off for felon conviction of a firearm if he doesn't give them information of who is doing what in the community. >> what do you think the ferguson police need to do? >> they need to disband. the chief needs to step down. why is there 91 different municipalities in st. louis

county? st. louis county police need to oversee all the different counties. it's so corrupt. you have so many different governments. it could be 300 citizens in this different town, and you have a mayor, a police chief and a police force of 40 to 50 officers for 300 citizens. so they have to find a way to scheme up with this money and take care of this budget. so they're going out using traffic stops and police in to make up 30 to 40% of the yearly budgets and they're taking frit the people. and they're not taking it from people who look like you. they're taking it from people who look like me who can't afford to feed themselves. >> you think white folks get away with a lot of stuff because there's a simple target as far as police are concerned. >> of course. look at the the doj statistics. black people were pulled over and arrested more. however, white people that were pulled over and arrested were found with drugs and paraphernalia more. so why are we targeted more? >> yes. t-dubb-o, stay with us now. let me bring in dr. james peterson from lehigh university.

and congresswoman brenda lawrence of michigan. congresswoman, let me ask you now, and i watched the briefing yesterday of the congressional black caucus with interest with this story. where is the obligation now? where do you as an elected official go for ferguson the follow-through with the doj at this point is really crucial, isn't it? >> yes, it is. and i want to make a couple points. i am so thankful that the doj followed through and did the investigation. secondly i was a major prior to becoming a member of congress. i feel strongly that we have the responsibility as we appropriate funds and send federal dollars to these communities that we mandate, that these they use our federal dollars, that they are implemented. we have the power and appropriating to ensure when we send dollars to these

communities, they are training their police officers. and they are implementing the really scathing data that we're seeing. there's processes put in place to start improving. >> so you're now the mayor of ferguson. what do you do? >> if i'm the mayor of ferguson i tell you, there must be a complete overhaul. leadership there is a corruption within the organization. there's a culture in every police department. and it is incumbent upon the mayor of every city to ensure that that culture is respectful of the taxpayers that these police officers take an oath to serve. and i think there needs to be house cleaning and really clear deliberate training and accountability. >> well, it's not only who you u fire. it's who you bring in. it's going to take a long time. dr. peterson you deal with

young kids every day in the classroom. how are they responding to this story? and how you get them in the mind set that they're going to the real world and everything will be okay? >> well young people are disgusted by this report. this is a disgusting report. there's no amount of redemption possible for the ferguson police department. it has to be disbanded and maybe reinstituted and rearranged and certain kids of ways. look at the details of the record. it's clear they are leveraging the power to extract and extort money from if community around petty offenses. and it smacks racism all over the place. they're using dogs to attack children. every dogfight reported in this doj report a black person bitten by dogs. they're using petty offenses to give them extra jail time. and this is what i tell me

students, it's not just ferguson. look at the cleveland police department. this is a widespread problem, which is why it wurntarrants the federal attention. >> have you seen dogs in ferguson? >> the first night. august 9th when we put the makeshift memorial out. they got out the dogs. one officer allowed his dog to urinate on the blood and rose petals we had put in the middle of the street for michael brown where his body had laid. what can the federal government do to correct this h? the follow-up. there's a civil lawsuit to bring restitution to the family. how do you legislate against racial profiling. >> you legislate by setting standards. it's very clear that we appropriate money, funds and other appropriations that we send to communities to ensure that our police are ready, and

all police are not bad. i want to be clear about that. the culture that we have that has been documented in this the report, that we know is repeated in many different places and must stop. these are taxes on poor people, people of color. we cannot in america say this is normal and acceptable. and we absolutely cannot continue to send money to keep encouraging or funding this type of behavior. so we must pass legislation that will set standards for training. for making sure some of the recommendations given to us are imp plemted through legislation. >> where is the state of missouri's responsibility here? why do they have to look to washington? all poll the ticks is local. doesn't somebody in missouri got to do something about this? >> i'm sorry. the governor's office has got to step in here. >> this report came on his watch. this report came on the

governor's watch. >> exactly. >> and he's got to be disgusted by it. here's another scary piece. the report shows as recently as february 15th these police officers have been unlawfully disrupting peaceful protests. and illegally preventing citizens from recording their behavior. they're infringing on the civil rights directly of this community. every politician in the state of missouri and across this nation should be outraged and disgusted by the report. >> and where do you go from here? is now that this is out, what is your next move? how do you progressively move forward to make it a better world? >> we have to save our community. for so long we fought to be accepted into a house that doesn't want us. into a system designed to keep us in this position. that's the reason we're in this position now. everybody says just be patient. use the vote. we're still trying to get to a house that doesn't want us

there. we are working on our responses. we have different fights. we're start twg the youth. we're teaching disadvantaged youth how to build websites. we do books and breakfasts every last saturday of the month where we feed them and politically educate them. we're working on career advancement. in my city on the side i come from, it's impossible for a young boy to say he wants to be an aus gnat. we're going to make that possible. if you say we need the vote. we registered 5,000, 6,000 people to vote. we're using the information in our own data base to create our own political parties to push our own candidates. we're trying to make the reform happen that we want to see so we don't worry about our children being gunned down in the middle of the street and have the opportunity to dream. >> t-dubb-o go on. good to have you with us. thank you for your time.

>> eni want to be clear that all politics are local. and absolutely what he is talking about, the vote of the people the community taking owner ship and speaking out and doing the things that this young man, that's where we begin change. >> it's great to have all of you with us. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. do you think any change will come after the department of justice's report? text "a" for yes. text "b" for no. we'll bring you the results later on. coming up, republicans have a new controversial plan to pass the keystone xl pipeline. we are joined for the details on the the proposal. plus, this was the dramatic scene at laguardia airport in new york earlier today as a jet skidded off the runway. we'll bring you the latest details and developments for the ground. stay with us. we're right back. the job jugglers. the up all-nighters. and the ones who turn ideas into action. we've made our passions

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[thunder and rain] welcome back to "the ed show. the clock is ticking on the highway trust fund which is expected to expire on may 31st. now america is a first world nation. but our roads and bridges and highways, well the engineers tell us they're crumbling. one quarter as 25% of nations bridges are obsolete or deficient. despite the december trat need lawmakers have struggled with a way to pay for this. the gas tax has staid since 1993. it can't keep up with the costs. we know the consequences of action all too well. in 2007 we saw the i-35 bridge collapse in minneapolis. and 13 people died. 145 people were injured. and this should be really a no brainer. but for some reason we really

just can't get congress to move on this. instead what we're seeing now, republicans and my next guest want to hold them hostage to make sure the keystone pipeline is reviewed. republicans failed to override the veto. they only got 62 votes and they needed 67. now they're trying to force the president's hand by attaching keystone to a must-pass bill. senator, good to have you with us tonight. >> hi, ed. >> how are you going to get this done? do you think that putting this with the highway trust fund is going to tip enough votes to get keystone? >> i think that's an option. i think we'll look to attach keystone to a infrastructure bill, another energy bill or appropriations measure. highway bill would be one option. it could help bring votes to the bill. >> senator, would you hold up funding to the highway bill and infrastructure for keystone? >> ed i want to pass a highway

bill, and i think we're going to get it done this year and i made a long-term highway bill that funds our roads and bridges. i think keystone can be a part of that. ed a the end of the day, i'm going to make sure we pass a highway bill no matter what. remember, republicans overwhelmingly support keystone. in his state of the union, the president referred to keystone and a highway funding bill as both infrastructure projects. so we'll see. there may be some opportunity here to actually bring votes to the bill. >> well i don't think there's any lawmaker that wants to be held up in front of the public sayinging this is the elected official that did not vote if for the highway bill. so we did checking in the state of north dakota where e used to reside. 726 bridges that need repair. i mean how do you say no to that? is keystone worth it as you see

it? >> we have to do a highway bill. that's a number one priority for me. we have to do it this year. it has to be a long-term bill. but at the same time. we need energy infrastructure to have the right energy plan for this country. so i think we plead to do both. if you're asking me would i stop a bill because of keystone? it's a bigger priority. we need to get that done. that's not the case. we can find leg to have more than 67 votes. >> you think there may be another five votes out tl in the senate that would view the infrastructure and highway bill as so important they would tip on keystone? >> sure they're both infrastructure. you're talking roads. you're talking bridges. you're talking rail. you're talking pipelines. you're talking transmission lines. it's all great infrastructure

that this country needs. >> if keystone doesn't work on the highway bill where else would you put it? are you going to put it everywhere? >> i'll find the right fit. that could be an appropriations measure, as i say. that could be another energy bill. i tried this before. the last bill i was on the conference committee and i had keystone in there until the very end. we dropped it out when we made the final deal. so this is not the first time. but we'll find the right fit. >> and what if the president says no? there's a lot of rumors out there that he's close to a decision. you have the property rights decision in nebraska. >> the litigation has been settled in nebraska. and as far as him saying no he's delayed this six years. i don't think he would do that if he were going to say yes. >> you think he's going to say no then? >> right. i do. >> okay, well as i understand it, it's been widely reported that in nebraska the property rights issue, imminent do nanmain

is in the courts. that could take a couple of years. >> with litigation, that's always ongoing. i don't know that you could say no future litigation. that relates to any project. the issue is getting the the approval so you can go guard on construction. that's what we do with the bill passed in congress. >> all right, senator, good to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. >> thanks, ed. >> you bet. let me bring in jane, executive director of bole nebraska. your response to what you just heard. >> he's certainly living in never never land if he thinks nebraska's lawsuits are all tied up. he said the legal path to nebraska is all settled, and it's not. the route and imminent domain are all on hold. and if senator actually wants o come look us in the eye and actually see what is at risk. we would be happy to host him.

what we really need is a cross partisan large energy bill. not this nitpicking at the edging or people at the corners when it comes to energy. they view this as a big part of the energy bill. i'm against the pipeline. but this technique of putting it on bills that are desperately needed. i mean we have to fix roads and bridges all over this country. this might be the one that tips it. what are your thoughts on that? >> democrats have not rolled over yet, and i don't see them rolling over. i also think -- i do agree with the senator that the president will reject keystone xl. and so then members of congress on the republican side and the few democrats that they have in their pocket are going to have to decide if they're going to continue to go against the will of the american people. the league of conservation voter polls clearly said 70% of americans once the president makes a decision they want congress to move on. and that's exactly what we need congress to do. they need to move onto a cross

partisan energy bill that helps american energy, because you know this pipeline. it's all about it getting to the export market. it has nothing to do with american oil. >> good to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks, ed. >> coming up new details about hillary clinton's e-mails, plus the latest investigation into the delta flight that skidded off the runway at laguardia. that's coming up. stay with us. i want my yoga pants to smell like i sweat money. i want to smell the way champagne tastes. i love champagne. infuse your laundry with... ...up to 12 weeks of luxurious long-lasting scents... ...unstopables in wash scent booster.

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may have been a factor in the dell fa flight that skidded off the runway earlier today and hit a fence at laguardia airport. we'll have updates on that as we move along tonight. first let's turn to dominica davis. and i see you have a very beautiful radar screen there. a lot of colors on that. we are on the back edge of the system. so 1500 miles of nasty weather today. it has now shrunk and that is the good thing. it will be a tough commute as we still have an hour or so before we can say good-bye to this. here's a look at future cast. showing most of the snow pushing off to the coast with the exception of cape cod, massachusetts. by 9:00 or 10:00, the whole system pulls away and we can finally say good-bye to the precip we have been seeing. however, temperatures are going to be plummeting. so we will see morning lows in the single digits through much of the northeast, chicago, 1

degree for the low tomorrow. even atlanta, that cold is making it that far south. 27. so there will be a lot of icing concerns that will continue overnight and tomorrow morning. so the cold sticks around. but the snow is gone, ed. >> that's the good news. dominica davis, thanks a lot. a lot more coming up on "the ed show." stay with us. we're right back. i'm hampton pearson with your cnbc market wrap. the dow closed up 39 points. the s&p edged up two and a half. the nasdaq jumping nearly 16 points. cost cost costco finished the day up. and the nation's top banks all passed the feds annual stress test, which shows the nation's 31 largest banks are stronger than any other time since the 2008 financial crisis. and the euro fell below a $1.10 for the first time since september of 2003. that's it from cnbc.

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aircraft off the runway. >> going around. >> the airport is closed. >> welcome back to "the ed show." that was a big story across america today. you were just listen to the air traffic controllers. their audio earlier today from laguardia airport as the tower is dealing with an airplane that went off the runway. shortly after 11:00 a.m. delta flight skid off the runway into the fence during today's winter storm. 132 people were deplaned after the accident. it's not an accident. it's an incident okay. and several had minor injuries.

and five were taken to the hospital. a minor fuel leak was also reported after the incident? the executive director of the port authority commented on the runway conditions. >> shortly before the incident two planes landed and reported good braking action on the runways. the runway this particular runway had been plowed shortly before the incident. and the pilots on the other planes reported good braking action. >> one runway has been reopened at laguardia. it's not clear when the the other runways will be available for flight or reopened. anthony roman is the president and faa licensed commercial pilot. a lot to unpack here. what's your take from what you know today after everything that's unfolded. >> well there is no good reason for this aircraft to have weather weather

weather veined to this. that airplane needs 4,500, maybe 5,500 feet to stop. in a contaminated situation such as this. we expect mechanical failure. >> look at the video tape right there. that looks like full flaps to me. which tells me that's a normal approach. this md 88 unless the cockpit was retro fitted doesn't have auto land, and the pilot would have to disengage the auto pilot and land it visually. so having full control of the aircraft, this looks like it could have a fact your here. >> it could be. it wasn't optimal to have the aircraft land with a tailwind. as you know you're a pilot, you know very well. we should be landing into the wind. but the visibility was such that the minimum approach visibility for the other two favorable runways was not to the level it

needed to be. so the pilot was landing with a quartering tail wind. he's approaching at final approach speed of about 155 to 165 miles an hour. he had plenty of room to stop. perhaps it was a landing gear failure. >> and it sounds like a normal approach. they made the runway. they made the runway. and there's no emergency procedure that would tell a pilot to take the aircraft off the runway. >> no, no, no, no. the other possibilities are, if we're going to examine the possibilities for differential diagnosis of pilot error, he touched too far down the runway and was at high speed and added additional breaking. that's one possibility. another possibility is he was just going too fast. there's a number of things to look at.

mechanical failure. too far down the runway. >> ntsb will get to this quickly. they'll be able to debrief both pilots. they'll listen to the communications. they'll get out and see what happened to the aircraft. this should be easy to figure out what's going on. won't be much mystery here will there? >> no mystery at all. the go team was in route within a half hour after the accident. and they'll have all of that data. they'll be very data rich. there will be causation. >> appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> still to come hillary clinton replies to the e-mail controversy. david brock joins me on latest details. stay with us. om pharmaceuticals to 3d prototyping, biotech to clean energy. whether your business is moving, expanding or just getting started... only new york offers you zero taxes for 10 years with startup ny business incubators that partner companies with universities, and venture capital funding for high

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was that just a generalization gap, or can that be corrected? any chance it would be corrected, secretary clinton? >> the media storm around hillary clinton's personal e-mail account is reaching a fever pitch. the photographer from tmz did his best to get her to react wednesday afternoon at the airport. a member of the selection commit aye on benghazi is comparing clinton to rich and nixon. john mccain chimed in on "andrea mitchell reports" show today. >> this is the same individual that excoriated the bush admiration for supposedly hiding communications within the administration. >> after a select committee issued subpoenas late yesterday, clinten tweeted this last

night -- i want the public to see my e-mail. i asked state to release them. they said they will review them for release systems. john kerry chimed in while traveling in saudi arabia earlier today. >> i believe we have all the ones -- i think we have all the ones that are state had the gov, reportedly the ones in the purview of the department. let me check on that when i have time to pay attention to such an importance issue when i'm at home. >> that's called kerry humor. clinton's future hangs in the balance? i doubt it. a quinnipiac poll shows she has the lead over the poll was before the e-mail story broke. the smallist is a three-point lead falling just outside the margin of error. david brock joins me tonight, founder and chairman and board member of media matters for america. great to have you with us. >> thank for you having me.

>> what's the right-wing plan here? getting democrats tired with the clintons with this stuff? >> they've been trying what i call a preemptive strategy of disqualifications with this benghazi hearing that's been going on for years now to tar and tarnish her record before she gets in. i think they don't know her very well, so they may have had some expectation that they would actually scare her off. yeah one of the most frightening things i ever find is democrats believing republican propaganda so there's a bit of that out there, too, but at the end of the day, this is political season. we're on the eve of a presidential election. this is a desperate tactic by republicans who have nothing to offer the country, and they've had nothing on benghazi for months. they're trying to fire up this investigation, fire of this basings and get those benghazi truthers. >> i think, you know the ready for hillary slogan is like the republicans coming back with this, saying okay are you ready for more of this? >> sure. >> i mean to throw this.

where there's a clinton there's a controversy. where there's a controversy, there's an investigation, does the country really want this? i think that that is their strategy. >> sure i don't doubt that might be part of their strategy but the reality is this is so familiar now. i mean for some of us who have been in this -- since we never got the apology from the "new york times" on whitewater in 1992 this week has played out exactly like that. i think people are understanding what this is. i think that they understand that the republicans are desperate, they tip off a newspaper, get a false story, and then you get this entire media complex, and you get this explosion of coverage. the truth has a hard time catching up. people are still confusioned, ed that there was no violation of law here these e-mails were preserved. you know you mentioned secretary's tweet last night -- >> i was going to ask you. what did you make of her tactic to respond on twitter? >> i think this was a low key and appropriate way to deal with

it, but the reality is i don't know in history a cabinet officer who's disclosed all their e-mail. it's like the greatest act of transparency we have ever seen and yet you've got people out there, republicans and also people in the press, who are holding up jeb bush as the paragon of transparency when he's had 3 million e-mails. they cherry picked less than 10%, put that out. why doesn't he match what secretary clinton has done? >> the narrative on the right wing, by hess right-wing zealots on fox, that a, there could have been a security breach here. should she address that? >> sure. when she becomes a candidate she'll be asked these questions. there's no evidence of that. the state department says that's not the case. these are what you said the fox news people, the benghazi truthers they will never be happy. you mentioned the subpoenas from the committee. 65,000 pages of e-mails were turned over. about 10% were held back as

strictly personal. they want those, too, ed. they want to go pry and harass and embarrass. so in that sense, you know this is really just politics -- politics as usual for the republicans, and we expect it we recognize it we know what it is, and it's not going to matter. >> and trey gowdy wants to be somebody. i'm convinced of that. >> sure no question. >> david brock, great to have you with us tonight. let's turn to bob shrum and bob nichols. bob, is this going to be effective? is this a problem for hillary clinton? >> i don't think it matters for voters at all. it's a process story, it's irresistible to a lot of the press, because they want a democratic race, and it's catnip for the conservative conspiracy mongers. fox will be talking about it a year from now. i suspect you'll hear a lot of republicans talking about it a year from now, but in 2016 voters will vote on the economy, they're going to vote on health care, they're going to vote on who stands up for the middle

class. they'll not vote on how she sent her e-mails. >> john where is the down side? >> there's a down side if there's something controversial or troubling in these e-mails, if there is some evidence of wrongdoing but people don't worry as much about how someone communicates as they do about what's communicated. that's where something becomes an issue. i would also counsel that hillary clinton is going to be answering questions about this. she should and we should ask questions about transparency and about how or cabinet members operate, but as for attacks from the republicans, it's important to remember that many of the republican presidential candidates or potential candidates, people like scott walker and chris christie have had controversies about how they and their aides communicate and use e-mails. at the end of the day, i'm not sure this will be that big of an issue. >> but this is certainly ammunition bob shrum, for them

to set up the narrative, are you really ready for hillary? it will be more of the same. every time there's a clinton around, it seems there's a controversy. that's what's out there this the right-wing media. we all know what the truth is and if there's anything wrong in these e-mails, i would be stunned. hillary clinton has been around so long and done so much why would she put herself in a vulnerable position? what about it? >> i don't think we're going to find anything in these e-mails that's going to make any difference at all. the benghazi committee, which is chasing a red herring, is going to try to find something. it's not going to be there. she didn't set up this e-mail system in anticipation of something like benghazi. she was doing something fundamentally along the lines ha colin powell did as secretary of state. i understand it that the rule you shouldn't do that but use the state department system exclusively didn't take effect until a year after she left. this is the same old stuff we've been hearing for 20 years, going back to whitewater as david

brock said attacking the clintons for supposedly cutting corners, supposedly not being transparent. how has that worked out? they're preaching to the converted, preaching to themselves. it's not going to change the mind of a single voter. >> here's more of john mccain with andrea mitchell talking about his e-mail. >> i'm afraid that if i was e-mailing, given my solid, always calm temperament, that i might e-mail something that i might be -- regret. >> i think -- i think that's what john nichols, republicans are looking for. they're looking for the real hillary, something in her personal e-mail somewhere. what do you think? >> well i mean you can look as hard as you want. there have been people as suggested by other guests doing that for the better part of 30 years. the truth of the matter is hillary clinton has been a public figure for a long teem. shy was an elected united states

senator, very much under scrutiny, a candidate, and then a cabinet member. it's doubtful she will be taking great risks in digit at communications that she above probably anyone else understands are certainly not entirely secret. so my bet is that this is a controversy that we'll talk about for a while, it may lead to new protocols and new demands on cabinet members, that's fine. but at the end of the day, i really doubt this will be a serious 2016 issue. >> let's go back to david brock. i want to ask him this. let's talk about hillary clinton personally. is she fuming inside about this? >> i don't know that but i would be. if the "new york times" put on the front page a false allegation that i broke federal law without a source i would be angry. i don't know how she feels. thanks as always. that's ""the ed show."

"politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. \s. >> good evening, ed. i'm live tonight from miami. we start with breaking news. these are live pictures of that airliner that nearly plunged off a runway and into icy water. emergency vehicles still in response mode. investigators on the way with plans to retrieve the black boxes. the delta flight arriving at new york's laguardia airport today carrying 127 passengers and five decree members, only to go sliding off the runway and nearly straight into the bay, stopped only by a safety embankment. here's the real-time reaction from air traffic control. >> we have an aircraft off the runway.