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penetrates through the skin and these cells eat up that and accelerating the normal tattoo healing process. >> alec, future billionaire in halifax, this is something as you know the world is waiting for this one. >> thank you very much. >> thank you for joining us. madam secretary, you've got mail. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with hillary clinton counterattack. she tweeted this just before midnight.
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what does that message actually mean? we want us to see her messages sent on a private server that she set up? there that answer the likes of "new york times," "the washington post," the house select committee on benghazi? >> will it get -- under self-selected e-mail. who broke this original story, and ann gearen, with "the washington post." see if you can for the person who's from pluto right now, the hillary love, hater, there's a lot of both out there. people just want to know what this is about. what is the motive for setting up a separate server if you're going to work at the state department. we're told by the administration that there's rules. why would somebody to any nefarious reason set up a private e-mail system, in fact create the server? >> i don't know what the intentions were -- >> why is it important that we
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don't -- >> it shielded her e-mails for a significant period of time. it wasn't being searched when the state department was asked for documents. it was not on their servers. it was on her personal server, so they couldn't get to it and couldn't hand it over. >> but the policy of the administration, according to your paper is they should have their communication -- not their letters home, are we having chicken took, but the professional business is all supposed to be on e-mail that could be in the possession of the u.s. government. >> and the state department is splitting hairs here. they're saying it was the policy to do government work on government e-mail, but there was no prohibition at the time that she was secretary against using private e-mail or commercial e-mails. >> did somebody come and say congratulations you're now the secretary of state, you have to
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do everything on government e-mail. did anybody ever tell her that? >> we don't know and state won't say. we think it would have only made sense that any number of people whose jobs it was at the state department to run the place and to render legal opinions on how it should be run would have or should have weighed in, but there's no paper trail yet. >> is the toothpaste out of the tube in terms of anybody, "the washington post," "new york times," any congressional committee, the fbi, is it possible now to retrieve all the e-mail that was sent by secretary clinton and received by secretary clinton on official business as secretary of state, or once she got it in her possession, she was able to delete what she wanted and it's permanently deleted? >> can you get to the bottom line? >> no. the chloe thing is to have access to her entire account. remember, she gave 50,000 pages to the state -- >> out of how many? >> we don't know. >> that she said we are related to her work as secretary --
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>> who decided. >> she chose. >> personally? >> they said to her give us your e-mails related to your work, and she came in in october, december said here are 50,000 e-mails from my account related to my work. here they are. it wasn't here's my personal account, go find the stuff that relates to my work, you do it. >> well, that just demonstrates the fact that she had power over what information to give to anybody. >> right. right. inch everybody would want that. >> the two central questioners is what was the purpose of it, and when state asked her for the relevant e-mail, who decided and on what basis what was relevant to turn over? we know that 55,000 pangs were turned over. we know as of today about 90% of that was between hillary clinton
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that's according to an aid for hillary clinton. that about 10 percent was between other people. and people who did not have government addresses or who -- >> there's no record of that? >> we don't know how many pages beyond the 55,000. >> just before we get into the sharpshooting, hillary clinton was critical of the white house when she was first lady. critical of the fact that they had this sort of underground e-mail sim there. if you're watching this and you're pro-hillary, you must have been pro-hillary -- orb is doing now, right? >> correct. >> in other words both sides have when it was in their
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political interests that there's something wrong. to run stuff by? isn't that objective statement? >> absolutely. >> now we get to the republicans, because they have their own plans. republicans are circulating comments that hillary clinton made in 2007 when she criticized the bush administration's use of private e-mails when it was discovered that karl rove were using rnc accounts for official business. here's second tear clinton. >> now people feel invisible. now they have reason to believe that they are being rendered invisible. you know or constitution is being shredded. we know about the secret wire taps. we know about the secret white house e-mail accounts. >> they also duck up an
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inspector general reports which criticized the u.s. ambassador to kenya to bad behavior, including his use of e-mail, private e-mail. that led to his resignation as ambassador. it says he drafted and distributed policy authorizing himself and other mission personnel to use personal e-mail for daily communication. >> for official government business. it was a flawing of direct instructions to adhere to state department policy. >> he thought the one at the embassy wasn't sufficient. he was fired to that and other things. >> did secretary clinton, his boss, know he was fired for that reason? >> of course, i would think. he was a friend of president obama.
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i'm sure he would have known exactly why he was fired. one of the stated reasons was misused of e-mail. so clearly there was a policy and clearly it was being applied. >> i know you guys right front page stories, and you have to be antiseptically nonpartisan, and you were looking at this as a distance, look at this blotch on this map, what does this mean? a lot of people look at this story and say hillary is obsessed with privacy, she doesn't trust the public with her information, she go around the system so she can have an entire system of her own, even if it's against the rules. others will say, what's this you guys' problem with the media? people around here, some of them say what is the media obsession about hillary? what do you say when the ombudsman comes to these questions, if there is one. >> it's a story and we have to move -- >> i have to explain that to people. sometimes when your eyes catch a story, you just go with it. democrats yearn for an
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alternative. i think they're ahead of their skis on this. >> seeing an opening for the field. he wrote for the post -- there's e-mail, no foundation problems like the clinton foundation, when you see with joe, what you get, and there's nothing hidden there. that's down-home talk. meanwhile, a any poll shows hillary clinton with a dominant lead over the field, she's at 56%, her nearest challenge isn't the vice president, of course it's elizabeth warren. this story is interesting, what it says to me is how hard have you fought to get hillary, and who do you talk to to get reaction? who do you try to get to with
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these questions? >> we tried to get hard to her spokespeople. >> who is that? >> a guy name nick merrill. they didn't want to engage us that much. i don't think they totally either appreciated the story -- >> who is the "they" in the clinton circle? who's in the room with her? >> i'm new to clinton world. this is my first experience. >> what happened to felipe? >> he's not officially part of the campaign now. >> is there a campaign? >> that's part of the problem, there isn't yet an official organization that has a kind of rapid response and would be on this two nights ago, and -- >> whoor these phantoms, when somebody like david axle rolled, who is a good guy, and said john podesta would -- and unnamed sources, he better watch himself. who are these people that speak without names? >> what doesn't make sentence they have known about this for many, many months. >> did you get this from the
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republicans? did you get it from the clinton people trying to put it out ahead? >> this was harder to get -- >> just sheer enter price, nobody is pushing the story on the "r" side? >> they are now that it's out there. >> but the information. >> no, that was a clean break. the republicans had nothing to do with it. that's become a narrative now on the democratic side, is that this is a manufactured story that the republicans are pushing. that is just not the way it happened. >> the select committee has known about this for many months, and they haven't donening. >> i would never thought a story like this would be front page. thank you both. i must add something tonight, by the way. it's important in my position to be here as transparent as policy possible.
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i want to share -- you can see i'm smiling about political news that came out just this morning. people are always so kind when we meet out there at airports, anywhere else about my wife kathleen, my queen. last night she decided she'll take a serious look at running for the united states congress. in maryland. a local congressman just announced he's right-handing for the u.s. senate. this is all unfolding very quickly of the kathleen and i have nod had much time to talk about it. right now she'd heading for berlin from south africa, but she's been involved for her entire career. i know her commitment runts truly deep. in our nearly four decades together, i've always had the strongest belief in her judgment and values. i am proud of her, support her. if she does indeed decide to run for congress, we'll make sure we continue to fully disclose nigh relationship, which i have never denied with her, as part of our commitment to be transparent and
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fair. coming up, the 50th anniversary of the bloody march. the president will be commemorating the event. u.s. congressman james clyburn will be here to talk about it. who were the genius actors of our time? >> are you talking to me? you talking to me? talking to me? then who the hell else are you talking to? are you talking to me? i'm the only one here. >> so you don't read runway. >> no. >> and before today you had never heard of me? >> no. >> and you have no style or sense of fashion. >> i think that depends -- >> no, no, that wasn't a question. >> come back there, man.
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get over there, will you? he wants to kill me so bad he can taste it. at i ka! at i ka! >> james lipton host of inside the actors studio will give us his list. a new polls that 62% of americans support putting boots on the ground in iraq to fight isis. it turns out there's also boots there. they just happen to be iranian boots. and final lieutenant the latest on the vicious knife attack against mark lippert. this is the place for politics. there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use, you don't have to plan around either. it's the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night.
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welcome back to "hardball." thousands are expected to assemble this weekend in alabama to remember the 50th anniversary of the marches on selma when the american such rights movement turned a corner. prior to that march in 1965, the organizers were asked -- what would happen if the protests were stopped? >> what are you going to do if you get stopped? >> we hope we won't get stopped. if we get stopped, we'll stand there to try to negotiate and talk them into going to montgomery. we intend to go there if it takes a lifetime. >> we know it did not turn out peacefully. president obama will travel there to pay tribute on the edmund pettus bridge where hundreds were beaten by police.
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that crucial moment in our nation ace history help usher in the historic voting rights acts. 50 years later voting rights are becoming under assault again, which begs the question how much progress have we made. james clyburn joins us. 55 years ago he was jailed for demonstrating against segregation. just your chance to talk about the movie and everything, this whoa commend railings. >> thank you so much for having me, and congratulations to you and your lovely wife. i wish her well. >> thank you. >> look, this is about celebrating 50-year-old issue of voting.
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selma was all about the right to vote. selma came after the 1964 civil rights act was passed. president johnson, thinking he had done enough with the civil rights act, thought we could postpone voting for a while, but you know, that old adage, you know -- justice delayed is justice denied. so john lewis and others, james foreman, in spite of the fact that the movie "selma" seemed to think that james foreman really didn't want to do the march, he wanted to do the march. he just didn't want to be overlooked for all the efforts they had put into selma. things were taking place for a long time before bloody sunday. they were working, laying the
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foundation to try to get the right to vote. after that march, the voting rights act was passed, and signed into law, i believe it was august 6th. so come august 6th of this year, will be the 50th anniversary, and i've been working with john lewis, trying to do what we can with congressman sensenbrenner and congressman john conyers. we are trying to fix what the supreme court seems to have dismantled with that 1965 voting rights act. i'm hopeful that when we leave that bridge on sunday and go back to washington in a week that all the 98 congress people who are there will all sign on to mr. sensenbrenner's amendments, so that we can
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restore what the roberts court has done to that 1965 voting rights act. >> what do you make of these republicans pushing they voter i.d. requirements, and even in pennsylvania, the leadership which dominates the legislature saying we're openly doing this to say we're doing it to keep votes. that seems completely in violation of the purpose of the voting rights act, this game they're playing about voter i.d. cards. >> just as in 50 years ago, it took the congress to respond in a way that was favorable to the protection of people's rights,
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it may take that again today, because remember, these are 20 some odd individual states who are doing those things. i would hope that congress would not just fix -- fix the formula, but i would hope we would go further with john lewis's bill, the voter empowerment act, to take a look at all of these schemes that they're now developing, schemes which, if you look at them, could be tantamount to poll taxes and other kinds of schemes they used back in the '40s and '50s to dilute and deny people's votes. >> well said. thank you so much. it's an important weekend. i wish you well down there, congressman clyburn. joining us is steve mcmahon about this why are the republicans getting -- and two,
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what did you think of bibbi's speech, and third, hillary clinton, is this something she can handle, or will it bother her until she runs? >> where do you want to start? >> voters suppression. it's a black/white issue largely, but the while people who push this thing, they don't have any sense of fairness. people should all by allowed to to vote. >> you're right. the republicans are at every election trying to challenge people who are minority voters, trying to challenge people frankly they try to keep from voting, because they care more about winning elections than civil rights. i think it's great that there are 23 or so republicans going down for the march and doing these things is probably the best and maybe the only way to break down some of the resistance. >> bibi, do you think he'll win at home now? >> it was good politics in israel.
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>> that's what i think. >> he's trueing to turn out the right wing of the likud party. it's good that he's swinging up and swinging up -- >> did boehner use that cover of all the excitement so he could give in on the issue of the did dhs funding? a smoke screen? >> well, he seems to have gotten away with it. the question is the freedom caucus, so called, the right wing is going to let him get away with it. he's gotten away with it for now. every time he passes things with democratic votes, he makes the problem on the far right worse. >> hillary and e-mail, you've got mail, madam secretary. i never thought it would be on the front page. >> it doesn't seem to be going away. one of the things it demonstrates is the campaign is already under way. the republicans understand what the nominee is, even as liberals pine for somebody else and the where else writing who will run? the republicans no who else. >> wouldn't you take the shots?
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>> i watched the last segment, and apparently the republicans aren't behind this, but it is -- it's curious timing just before he announcement. this is not something that hillary clinton or that campaign needs or wants right now. >> they've got to be a campaign phish. there's tough people, men and women who can take the tough shot. anyway. >> they'll have them. up next, thank you, steve mcmahon. what do you think should be on the list of the most genius actors of our time time? james will give us the top five u.s. movie stars of all time. the geniuses, as part of this week. this is "hardball," the place for politics.
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you know it when you see it. as part of the seven days of genius festival this week, we're exploring the people, ideas and leaders who have changed the world. tonight we look at movie actors. i'm joined by james lipton. james, thanks for tell us what a genius is in movie acting. what is a genius? >> first of all, i think a genius is inborn, it can't be taught. it's in your dna. that's what you bring to the table. craft is what you learn. when unfortunate great craft, really well-taught craft, and you combine it with the talent, the genius, you get the people we're going to talk about in a minute. your first choice, for best actor in terms of genius. >> in the not necessarily in this order, but i would certainly say marlon brando. i think he's the perfect definition of genius in acting. you can't never, ever outguess him. every choice he made in every
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part was a surprise. stella adler, who was his teacher and mine, said the talent, that's the genius, lies in the choice. his choices were utterly unpredictable and in the beginning on which incredible, shocking and ultimately they were inevitable, the only possible choices. >> here's a scene with brando independents your fingers are disgustingly greasy. go wash up and help me clear the table. ♪ >> now, that's how i'm going to clear the table. don't you ever talk that way to me. >> wow. next? >> next would be charlie chaplin. he turned humor into high art. take a look at his features, his short films, the quantity and quality of sheer invention they
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contain has never, ever been equalled. not by anyone, not at any time in any medium. he is one of the great geniuses of 209th century. >> next? >> next would beal pacino. the -- to design the sets and costume, heside, what could you like me to do? and he replied -- [ speaking foreign language ] astonish me. that's what he does. time after time, in the process of inhaven'ting the character, he reinvents the art of acting from the floor up. >> it's showing here. here he is in one of the great scenes ever, the restaurant scene in "the godfather." [ speaking foreign language ]
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[ gunshots ] >> would you like to know what he told me about that scene? >> i would love to. it was the -- after he had gotten the part -- >> exactly. they were going to fire him, and cop land moved that scene up, so that he shot the scene, and she showed the dailies to the company, and the studio said, he's got the part, but they were going to fire him. he didn't know if he had the part or not, but he did know when he played that scene, that it was live or die. >> one of the greatest movies was that and the hospital scene, when he realizes nobody is protecting his dad and he has to fill that hospital with protection. let's go to de niro and convex taxi driver." >> when i'm asked what i admore most, my answer is a simple one -- risk. nothing sums up his work than
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that single word. when he's on his best he's at risk of revealing his naked soul. scorsese knew that. >> here he is as travis bickle. >> are you talking to me? i'm the only one here. who the [ bleep ] do you think you're talking to? oh, yeah? huh? okay. >> i think everybody who's ever been scared on a subway in the middle of the night identifies with the desire to just take on the guy who's coming at you and win the fight. one last, a woman finally, sir, one out of five not bad -- it's not my fault. that's the way the movies stack it. >> meryl streep, of course. >> with her record-breaking 19 oscar nominations and three
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wins, i'm sure i will sound demented when i say she is one of the most underrated actors of our time. heels soagele that she makes the craft of acting look easy, so easy that some people would swear she's not even acting. that, of course, is the perfect definition of acting genius. >> here's a clip from kramer versus kramer, 1979. >> i came here to take my son home. and i realize he already is home. oh, i love him very much. i'm not going to take him with me. >> wow. >> wow is right. >> is it true that jean arthur taught her at wellesley? >> taught marl?
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she was a product of the yale drama school. she may have gone to wellesley, but had her masters from yale. and interestingly -- >> we will check that out. i'm not a expert, but i really do think there's a jean aural thurl connection. >> when did i qualify as a genius? i'm just a commutator. >> thanks, james, for coming on. i want to light a candle for cary grant, though people say he's not a great actor, i must have seen 20 great movies that made me really happy, stars cary grant. >> he was a great, great movie star. there's a slight difference, i think. just my opinion. >> up next, thank you so much. james lipton. >> you're very welcome. always a pleasure. up next, 62% of americans are for putting u.s. boots on
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iran and isis -- >> that was of course prime minister bibi netanyahu with a warning for the united states, yet the reality on the ground shows that iran is playing a stepped-up role in fighting isis. in "new york times" today -- president obama is becoming increasingly dependent on iranian fighters as he trying to contain the militant group in iraq and syria without committing american ground troops. american war planners have been closely monitoring the parallel war against isis through a range of chance, including conversation on radio frequencies that each side know the other is monitoring and the two mill tears seek to avoid conflict by using iraqi command centers as an intermediary. a former special adviser to the president put it blunt did i -- you can't have your cake and eat it too. the strategy has been successful so far largely because of iran. wow, i'm joined tonight by our
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roundtable. steve clemmons, ryan grimm, and elahi azada. by the time we got to the beaches of normandy, there's no more -- left. this war, we find ourselves with having defeated the sunni government in baghdad, we have set up a shia-run government, friendly to iran, now we find ourselves fighting on the same side with iran against isis. it's a revolting development, as we used to say in the olden days. can we beat isis without iran? >> the an is one, no. two, we fought as well along with iran for stabilizing afghanistan. we have cooperated with this country before, they helped produce karzai and afghanistan for better or worse, but we were part of that, but the third part
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of this, we're assuring another civil war inside iraq by letting iran put boots on the ground. we're convincing sunnis throughout that region in saudi arabia and elsewhere, but also in northern iraq, that we are giving iraq to iran, and they won't bide by that. >> didn't they do that in 2002? >> we're doing it again. >> it seems like we turned over that government to shia, who we hated in the hostage crisis, and now we give them the government of iraq and now we are surprised they have it. >> the problem here is different things we're doing is running at cross-purposes. the fundamental problem is that iraq doesn't even really exist anymore as a state, as we commonly understand them. to the extend we're trying to bring together sunni and shia, we're alienating iran, but in order to take on isis we're working with iran, and working with iran alien yates the sunnis. >> in isis quit tomorrow, if they just put their hands in the air and walked away, they didn't exist anymore, who would own all that land in iraq?
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>> it could be governed by the sunnis who are there now. >> the locals? >> the problem -- >> there's no government. >> the shia totally dominated that area, and that's why isis was able to come through there so quickly. they were fewer why isty federal government. >> tribal leaders would run and own the land up there, but they want to run baghdad. they feel they have been screwed by the abbadi government just lake they were screwed by the malaki government. >> people now support troops, a new quinnipiac poll shows that americans are now in favorite of using ground took place to fight isis. it's unbelievable that the american people are talking about a big heavy force of americans going in and fighting a war again. >> there are a number of polls showing this shift among americans.
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from october to now, but there's also a pew poll last week that showed support was kind of split. i think the polling is all over the map a bit, but the point is there is growing support, and it's coming amid more and more videos of isis atrocities, showing beheadings of americans and aid workers e. all those egyptian christians slaughtered, and i think more and more americans are becoming outraged, but it's another question of -- >> how about the people -- who are we fighting? we go into an area like vitt congress -- the british were wrong about america. they thought they would come in and everybody would be on their side. >> if we go in, on a temporary basis, a lot of the sunnis may join us if we arm them, empower them, as long as we promise to leave. >> who did we give the country to when we leave? who wants to govern? >> there are no good answers. what happens is the american public, why wary of getting
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involved, is nonetheless convinced that isis can come to their street corner, blow you will their mall, kill their children, their journalists, and they have changed the game. when we were going to attack syria on the chemical weapons, the american public was not. nobody wanted to go to war. isis has taunted us. >> i'm with most americans, but what happens when we take territory back from them, block by block, we kill isis people. will those people we liberate, will they be on our side once they see the shia militia come in behind us? or say, wait a minute, how did we get stuck here? >> and that's a big concern, right? even in tikrit where there's a being offensive where you have iranian-backed shia militants, involved in that effort, comprising a big portion of that effort. there's concern that that will turn into a sectarian bloodbath.
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>> and isis recruitment is surging. martin dempsey is saying that it's good that iran is there and they're triking. sunni tribes in the area are joining us en masse with isis, because they see that as their alternative. bibi netanyahu has antipathy, obviously justified, with iran. the war of the american people want to fight is isis. this is a cross-purposes situation, and the president has to make a decision. apparently he's decided to fight isis, but not really. up next, the latest on the vicious attack against the u.s. ambassador in south korea. north korea called it a deserved punishment. we're going to show you the visuals. it's really dramatic. this is "hardball," the place for politics. i bring the gift of the name your price tool to help you find a price that fits your budget. uh-oh. the name your price tool. she's not to be trusted. kill her.
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quarreled cardinal egan, the seventh card until died today of cardiac arrest. he retired as archbishop of new york the seventh cardinal of the city was appointed in 2001 give john paul the second. he retired in twine, but continued to work with the diocese while serving in a term number of offices for the vatican.
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>> we're back with our round table. the united states ambassador to south korea was attacked this morning by a man who was angered by joint military exercises. it happened not far from the u.s. embassy. there is graphic footage coming. >> panic. just minutes after suffering a four-inch slash to his face. >> i need an ambulance. >> and a second cut to his arm is put into a car. moments earlier, the ambassador that served with the ney sales walks from the room where his assailant was wrestled to the ground. mark lippert place setting still splattered with blood.
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later the ambassador to south korea was leaving the hospital bandaged. i'm okay, he says. >> he got about 80 stitches. president obama called him to wish him well. he was previously chief of staff on the national security council. secretary jon kerry spoke about lippert today. well ben rhodes also spoke today about his friend and former colleague. she a tough guy, i suspect he will be back on his feet as soon as possible.
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and he has really taken to this job, he and his wife robin have embraced the korean people. they got out among the people. they're very prominent there. >> 80 stitches and he just today there and took it. he took control, get me to a hospital, i need a doctor. >> mark lippert is a friend of mine and he cool like that all of the time. he keeps his cool in the biggest forms. >> is every post diplomatically a dangerous post? >> i will say this incident underscores the dangers that diplomats, even considered safe face. this diplomat is known to to take walks around. even someone like that in a country like south korea could
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be attacked like that. >> many people know that our ambassador to japan was stabbed in the '60s. >> he is a great friend of japan too. >> but retreating behind calls all other the country. >> all of the embassies are bunkers. >> yes, in the suburbs. the staff there are allowed to leave something like twice a week. and journalists are at the bars and restaurants every night. if you're only out twice a week with armored cars and guarded -- >> that is just a building. >> what is the point. how are you deriving local knowledge when you're going to bars and talking to people from virginia or massachusetts who are there.
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>> may make all of the applicants for visas watt outside of the bunker. >> yeah, mark lippet a great man. he just left a short while ago. his dream job was to be the ambassador to south korea. he speaks korean, he is outstanding and a real military and defense expert. >> you know everybody. she a great guy, great service. grace under pressure, he showed it. steve clemmons, ryan graham. that is an easy name once you learn it.
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like a gold-plated soybean. reliably fast internet starts at $69.95 a month. comcast business. built for business. that's "hardball" for now, thanks for being with us, can "all in" starts right now. >> i'm chris hayes. this is a special edition of "all in america: the 11th hour." >> the verdict tonight is guilty. march 5th, 2015, today was the day rodney reid was scheduled to die for a crime he says he didn't commit. this is the story of a murder in texas. a man found guilty. >> it is just unbelievable. the people trying to save his life.
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