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it is good. it used to be -- >> good morning, everybody. it's the top of the hour. this is the last blast of winter. what blast it is. good days are coming. it's cold though. >> last blast. is it? >> it is. >> okay. >> according to who? >> eight feet of snow in my backyard in march. >> i can't even manl gin boston new england. how's maine? >> unbelievable. >> mike barnicle here. john heilemann and steve ratner joins us as well. >> you don't like flying. >> i don't. >> you don't like flying. whenever i'm on a plane with you i have to say, it's okay it's okay. look at this thing, steve ratner. we're going to talk about this in a second man. but almost skidded into the bay. >> fear of flying is perhaps the most irrational fear in the world. >> these days -- >> you have a greater chance of being killed riding your

bicycle. >> stop. i can't even -- >> here we go. >> you can't even talk logic with her. you can't talk logic with her. >> you have a greater chance of drawning in your bathtub. >> if you lead the way, heilemann and i, you know before we take the bath. >> i almost drowned in my shower this morning. >> we've got a lot to get to. we have a live report. it's stephanie gosk. she's standing by. we have to hit her live shot on time which means we get to these stories and not belabor on hillary clinton. we begin with the latest over hillary clinton's e-mail. politico reports the state department had a policy in effect since 2005 daily operations should be conducted using official servers. clinton is under scrutiny for using a so-called home brew e-mail system during her time in office. a system that would make it potentially harder to gain public access to her communications but possibly more vulnerable to hacking.

the politico article sites a manual that predated clinton's tenure calling for an authorized system to ensure the safety of the information. meanwhile, "the washington post" reports that state department review is under way. one department official says that clinton may not have automatically broken the rules and it depends on the sensitivity of the information inside her ergs mail-mails. state department lawyers tasked with going through documents for the benghazi probe in 2012 noticed that e-mails for clinton were from a personal account. none were from an official one. one official told the paper, quote, this all raised the questions to us what else are we missing, and what do we need to comply. hillary clinton exclusively used personal e-mail accounts to conduct official business during her tenure as secretary of state state. in 201 the state department issued a harsh report to the u.s. ambassador in part for his own use of private e-mail.

the state department inspector general report eventually led to the resignation of u.s. ambassador to kenya, scott gracen who stepped down weeks before it was released. 201 documents cites the ambassador, quote, willfully disregarded department regulations on the use of commercial e-mail for government business. the report says the ambassador's requirements for use of commercial e-mail in the office and his flouting of direct instructions to adhere to department policy have placed the information management staff in a conundrum. also noteworthy, he ordered a commercial internet connection installed in his embassy office bathroom so he could work there on a laptop not connected to the system. >> bottom line is john heilemann, the state department this guy was a loose cannon. but one of the reasons he got fired, according to the report was, that the guy would not use

state department e-mail. >> yep. >> hillary clinton state department. you know there are problems when you start going through your twitter feed and david corn is talking about how serious this is going to be. yorch i don't mean that as a negative for david corn. a lot of democrats are going, what the hell, what the hell. >> yeah. >> exactly. >> thank you so much. >> that's all. >> so much to say about this. >> what? >> this is going to go on for a long time now. the story has -- >> this is an important story. >> voters don't care. >> voters don't care. >> voters may or may not care. may or may not understand the story at this point. there are issues here about the law. there are issues here about the rules. there are issues here about the basic fundamental precepts of accountability and transparency the government is supposed to operate under and how a government is supposed to run. there are questions about why she did what she did.

>> add one? >> national security. >> when you have state department servers being hacked somebody gets their own home brewed system. >> these are home issues and significant political issues about why she did what she did, how they are handling it going forward and what i think politically the most significant thing about this is as you see the explosion around this which is so much of this the dna of this controversy can be seen in every clinton scandal or controversy going back for 25 years. a lot of democrats like and respect hillary clinton but have a lot of uneasiness about her as a standard bearer for the party because they think, just as they thought in 2008 that this kind of thing is liable to happen at any moment causing a huge subpoenas, republicans going crazy, all this stuff. this is the stuff that makes democrats queasy and it's now all back with a vengeance before

she's even started her campaign. >> what might have worked in '98, ms.'99, saying it's all the republican's fault, doesn't work in 2015 steve ratner. what are you hearing from your clinton supporters? >> it doesn't work in part because i don't think she's yet put out a credible narrative to explain why perhaps we're misunderstanding pieces of this or her side of the story is if you will. until she does that. she's got to get ahead of the story. right now she's behind the store rid and being reactive. i think to john's point, there is a narrative here of past practice and i think the way a break out of that if i were advising her would be to put it all out there. go the extra mile now and let i'll all go and tell everybody -- >> they don't do that though. they've never done that. >> but i think if they want to break from the story line that's around them they're going to have to do that. >> a couple of hillary clinton

supporters very close to her have reached out to me and offered to be on the show and i just said no we would like to talk to her. >> if she wants to talk she can talk. we don't need hacks coming on -- >> not hacks. >> i don't know who you've been talking to but sending out hacks right now saying stupid things that are insulting to all of us including democrats. there you go. >> okay. >> what's next? >> trying to be supportive of her. >> but not that much. >> i was just going to say. >> not a lot. >> the white house is kind of sort of behind her but not in a full threaded way. the state department is kind of behind her but not in a full threaded way. she has no one strong a strong voice, including her own, advocating on her behalf. >> let me just say the white house is behind her in the same way chris christie was behind mitt romney right before the election. >> they're saying bless her heart. >> but it's a bless her heart. you know what? the white house is really upset

as well that she didn't abide by the rules. >> let me put you on the spot. you're hillary clinton. sit down with me. what do you say? >> i messed up. >> she hasn't given people -- >> you know what i did something in an abundance of caution, i shouldn't done and i regret that i did it. i knew that colin powell had private e-mail i knew that other secretaries of state had private e-mails. >> you broke regulation. >> i didn't understand at the time that -- >> don't you know you're feeding into a narrative of secrecy, the whole clinton thing? >> i am. i understand we're in a new century. it's a new time. and i guarantee people that if they support me in 2016 they won't see a lot of the same things they saw back in the 1990 sglz what about traps parns si? >> i'm going to be the most transparent candidate, blah, blah, blah blah blah. >> seriously, here's what she needs to do. take all the e-mails, not just the 55,000 they've given over. >> you know what she needs to do, she needs to have the server and say here's the server. i'm turning it all over to the

state department. all of it. i'm not going to have my people giving them. i'm turning it over to them. i have no control over it anymore. and it's all in the state department's hands. >> because i worked for the government and i was the secretary of state, this is yours. >> guys really quickly, we've got a hit we've got to go to. i want to talk about this. we've got a justice department finding. let's go ahead and skip ahead because i think we have stephanie waiting at laguardia. we're going to do this story. we're going to shuffle it around a little bit. if you're at home this is free form jazz. take off your miles davis which, by the way, 50 years ago? >> he's the charlie mingus of the table. >> very close call at no,'s laguardia airport. delta flight out of the atlanta with 125 passengers onboard veered off the runway during the landing on thursday. the plane slammed through a chain linked fence and crashed into an i'membankment.

it came to a stop feet away from the icy bay. the runway was plowed minutes before and the pilots reported positive conditions for a landing. passengers were quickly evacuated on to the runway using an inflated chute. the plane was leaking a gallon of fuel a minute after the crash. let's bring in nbc news stephanie gosk live at laguardia with the latest. stephanie, what more can you tell us? >> good morning, mika. we're in college point, queens just across the bay from laguardia. we're not allowed on the tarmac to see the plane. we have a vantage point across the bay. gives you a good sense for people who are not familiar with this airport. just how much water there is around laguardia. it is a noer to russ airport.

let's try this again. this i were is notorius for being difficult to land. in bad weather it only gets worse. it's going to be something investigators are going to look closely at today. also in that weather, the driving snow could that have played a factor but the executive of the port authority said just before this plane landed two other planes landed and said their brakes were working okay. and that the runway had only just been plowed. we were out here yesterday and talked to a lot of passengers who had just gotten off the plane. pretty shaken. actually a lot of them were surprisingly calm given what they had been through. i think there was a lot of surprise. they said some of them the landing felt totally fine at first. and then suddenly when the plane began to skate and hit that grass and started to bump they realized just how things had gone wrong. when they got off the plane they realized how close they were to actually falling into the water. >> stephanie, thank you.

a lot of good things in what she said. >> stephanie, get warm now. thank you so much for coming out on such a cold day. >> apologies. >> no, we wanted people to see how cold it was. >> stephanie mentioned, steve rattner, short runways. no >> they're short but very strict rules. >> less room for error. >> yes, less room for error. no question. look it's not like flying into aspen, colorado or the tricky airports in america. >> the two planes in front of them had no problem landing. when you land can't you, other than using brakes use reverse thrust? >> i landed on tuesday night when there was also a snowstorm. two planes ahead of us the braking action was good. the plane ahead of us said the braking action was poor. you land and you're prepared for

that. use your thrust reversers. not so much brakes. and the braking action was pretty good. the point being the braking action can go up and down depending upon the storm and what's going on out there. >> when snowstorms are coming in like that should they just stop all traffic going into laguardia? >> it's a judgment call. this happens so rarely and there are so many planes that land in storms. planes have very sophisticated braking systems. >> how do you think this happened? >> i don't know. >> let me ask you this way. are you surprised that happened, with all the sophisticated braking devices they have, with the thrusters? >> not totally. every once in a while nature over comes man, so to speak, and even the best systems are not going to work if it's really icy, the plane will skid. it does happen from time to time. >> so obviously a very icy -- stephanie gosk couldn't breathe. >> in the great scheme of life, right, the plane got away from you. but nobody --

>> fillphilosophy. >> what happens happens? >> i was out too late last night. >> he has no idea what it is. >> your bigger point is that obviously it is the safest way to flight. once in a great while things happen. >> once in a while things happen. remember that this plane got off the runway. all of these terrible things could have happened but because of various other safety measures, everybody got off the plane safe. >> thank god. >> let's go to from one nbc reporter to another freezing nbc reporter. >> i'm trying to. this storm affected people across the country. in kentucky nightmarish day on the roads. at one point, 40-mile backup on interstate 65. some drivers said thursday afternoon they had been stuck in the same spot -- joe, you would not do well in this circumstance -- since 8:00 p.m. on wednesday. i would hate to be in that car. >> with joe.

>> i just started -- i had palpitations. john yang is live for us in shepherd'sshep shepardsville shepardsville, kentucky. >> they finally got the i-65 reopened. traffic moving again, although slowly, yesterday evening. here in this truck stop you've got truckers who are still recovering from having been stuck on the highway for as long as 15 hours. >> it's really been scary. >> reporter: dennis was one of the hundreds of drivers stranded for more than 15 hours on i-65 in northern kentucky. >> there has been no assistance with food. there's been no assistance with water so i have been melting ice and snow to drink. >> reporter: nearly to inches of snow fell fast across the state, piling up quickly. sydney miller and her mom forced to spend the night in their car. >> we really had no idea what was going on. nothing on the radio telling us

if there was a crash or anything. we just kept getting one up throughout the night by strange noises. that was a little difficult. >> reporter: 200 motorists rescued by the national guard. many taken to red cross warming centers and nearby communities. people took to social media looking for answers. does anyone have any updates on how much longer? going on 13 hours. some people are hitchhiking now. a crew from the louisville nbc affiliate found dozens of abandoned vehicles on roads as they drove toward i-65. elsewhere was a slippery morning commute from maryland to texas where dallas highways were littered with spinouts. >> it's like slick patches of ice everywhere. >> reporter: across the midwest the snow piled up even higher. 25 inches here radcliffe, kentucky. 15 1/2 inches in missouri and 14 1/2 inches near wheelersburg ohio. and in washington children and parents took to capitol hill

despite a ban on sledding to enjoy the snow day. now the next big potential problem in this area of kentucky is localized flooding. there's going to be a big warmup up to the 60s next week and that could mean a fast melt for all that snow that fell earlier this week. mika joe? >> john yang thank you so much. now moving on to the other headlines of the day, the justice department report on the death of michael brown in ferguson missouri casts doubt on whether he had his hands up when he was fatally shot. in the wake of his death, the phrase hands up don't shoot, reverberated through the streets of ferguson and popular culture. but attorney general eric holder said earlier this week quote, it is essential to question how such a strong alternative version of events was able to take hold so swiftly and be accepted so readily. some police grow ups feel vindicated. others feel brown was trying to

surrender when he was shot. the overall message in the wake of brown's death is the need to reform that city's police department. reverend al sharpton will be our guest coming up at the half hour. you know that was a big issue here on the set, a real issue of contention. you were pounded for things that you said that actually reflect what the attorney general is saying. i would say to answer the question that he has to how that narrative could take off so quickly, i think it's -- there's a legitimate reason. i think people are so absolutely -- especially in the minority community, feel very focused and targeted and so they jumped on it. >> there's no doubt about it. there's no doubt about it. you don't have to make things up. that's all i was saying at the time. the situation is so bad in the criminal justice system, there are two criminal justice systems. i've said it repeatedly. i said it after trayvon. i said it after eric gardner. i say it all the time here on this set. in this one instance i was

oftened by the st. louis rams and other people going out based on eric holder said, an alternate version of reality, it wasn't true. i said it wasn't true at the time. there are a lot of people that called me a racist and a bigot despite 51 years of a life far different than that. you can go all through my life. that's what we do here by the way. we tell the truth the way we see it. and you can call us bigots if you want to because it doesn't line up with what you believe. but the fact is i think what i found there was incredible. it doesn't matter 50 51 years of your life you see something that you know is not true that eric holder agrees with me is not true and you say there are so many better ways to get the message out there than by making something up whole cloth. >> but i don't think a lot of people were making it up. i think they were jumping on a narrative because of the wider problem, they felt it must be true.

if you look at the data out of ferguson it's horrific situation. >> looking at the time also about the horrific situation in ferguson. we were talking about how it seemed to be a racist police department. i was talking nonstop about the fact that there were -- if you look at the number police officers white compared to the population that was skewed. we were talking about how eric gardner was murdered. i said trayvon martin and conservatives didn't forgive me for a long time. i said trayvon was murdered. said it in realtime. and so in this one case in this one case i said this isn't the truth. >> you don't need to do this. >> you don't need to do this. you don't have to make things up because the truth is on your side. >> it is. >> and for that, you know not to make it about me but, you know what you would be called a racist or a bigot for several months online because you're telling the truth and eric -- >> it's rough. >> eric holder agrees with me. a lot of people tweeted a lot of things, i will take your apologies on twitter right now, call me a bigot.

call me one because i tell the truth. because i say the same thing that eric holder is now saying the justice department is saying, that they said in the grand jury report. and you know it's just -- i'm sorry. i take that personally. that's all i have to say. >> yes, barnicle? >> i don't know what to say. by the way, the st. louis rams owe the police officers in st. louis an apology. >> okay. but this is just -- our latest example of what happens with misinformation once it hits social media. >> yeah. >> it becomes real. >> yes. no that's a greated a ed aaddition. >> the data that we saw come out of ferguson in terms of, you know, even arrestst and how minorities were treated compared to the white population and imbalance in the police department. that starts the narrative. >> hold on a second though mika.

you keep bringing that up like we have to be reminded of that. we talked about that in realtime nonstop. >> of course we did. >> betalkedwe talked about it with trayvon nonstop. >> i understand. >> there's no need to say, yes, they lied made it up. but it's really bad. we explained that it's really bad. the bigger point is you don't have to lie because the facts are on your side. the truth is on your side. as we say nonstop there are two criminal justice systems in america that treat black americans far worse than white americans, especially young black male african-americans. we've said it nonstop. but we can just call out a lie. a lie is a lie. this was a lie. it was made up. >> that reality and the social media aspect that mike barnicle brought up has helped let that lie reverb rate around the country. we'll leave it there for you. we have so much to get to. coming up on "morning joe" -- >> i wanted to lead with

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>> that is exciting. >> that's a good day. >> she's a campus leader. >> that's wonderful. so fellow students on the council began to question her about her faith. >> this is right. >> the hearing, one of the members asked her, quote, given that you were a jewish student. >> given that you're a jewish student and very active in the jewish community, how do you see herself being able to maintain an unbiased view? this is not in germany in 1936.

i'm dead serious. this is in los angeles in 2015. for the next 40 minutes. >> the students council entered into a debate about rachel's faith and the bias it could cause. >> incredible. >> why don't they just tell her that she has to wear a patch when she walks around campus a star of david. >> they first voted to reject her nomination but after the urging of a faculty adviser they unanimously put her on the board. >> this shouldn't really be a surprise. antisemitism has been accepted on college campuses. certainly up at columbia for a long time in the middle east studies programs. some of the things that having said about jews about israel has been confounding. here is the scandal. all right? students are bigots sometimes. students do things they shouldn't do. the chancellor calls this quote, a teaching moment a

learning moment i think he said. if this had been any other race any other creed, these students would have been suspended, they would have been -- can you imagine -- >> his face. >> i want to ask this question. what if these students did this to a black student? >> that's what i was thinking. >> no let's not think it let's say it. and if they said because you're black, do you think you can handle your position fairly? every student that asks that question would be suspended immediately and kicked off campus. i would like to know what ucla hasn't done the same to these students that ask these questions. everybody involved up and down the line should be brought before the chancellor and if the chancellor doesn't step forward and do this he should be fired immediately. >> okay. >> this is not nazi germany

1935. this is america. mike barnicle can you believe this? >> how did these students -- >> show this woman's picture. >> how did these students get in to ucla. check this out. student council in the meet that took place on february 10th voted first t. reject her nomination with four members against her. then, at the priding of a faculty adviser there who pointed out that belonging to jewish organizations was not a conflict of interest the students revisited the question and unanimously put her on the board. >> i feel like you're reading about a different country. >> how did they get into school to begin with? >> you know what the bigger question also is what culture is going on not only at ucla but at a lot of major colleges across america? what is the culture -- what are these students being taught in class and why do they feel that

they can ask a young woman who is a jew whether she can be a contributing member of this organization because she's a jew? >> again, you've got to step back further than that, which is, what are they doing talking about her faith at all? >> thank you. >> how is the topic even up for debate? >> it's on youtube. >> it's on youtube. if you can for the next hour let's cut and edit the relevant parts. >> that would be great. >> steve? >> removed from youtube? >> really? >> let's just say right now ucla, let's talk about transparency right now if you're the chancellor of ucla put it back up on youtube so we can see what goes on on your college campus that taxpayers in california pay for, put it up on youtube and show the antisemitism that is sanctioned at your campus that you haven't spoeb out against more aggressively. steve? >> mike was about to say it the

times puts this in a broader context. this is not isolated. what they say is the session is served to spotlight what appears to be a surge of hostile sentiment directed against jews at many campuses in the country often a byproduct of animosity towards the policies of israel. this is one of many campuses where the student council passed on a second try and fierce debate. resolution supporting the boycotts and sanctions moved at aimed at pressuring israel. >> right. that's really in part where this comes from. >> it's a broader -- >> it's been sanctioned for, you know 20 30 years. >> but it seems to be getting worse at the moment. >> we commend the new york tapes for finding this story and putting it out there. i want to know what the chancellor of ucla what the people who give money to ucla. the taxpayers of california are going to do about this. i want to know if these students

are going to be suspended and why they wouldn't be suspended. >> okay. coming up president obama is heading to alabama this weekend to mark the 50th anniversary of the boating rights marches in selma. reverend al sharpton joins us next. huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know words really can hurt you? what...? jesse don't go! jesse...no! i'm sorry daisy, but i'm a loner. and a loner gotta be alone. heee yawww! geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. jesse?

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ll bear a responsibility for our fellow man. i am appealing to men and women of god and good will everywhere white, black, and otherwise. if you believe all are created equal, come to selma. join us. join our march against injustice and inhumanity. we need you to stand with us. >> amazing scene from the 2014 film "selma." with us now, host of msnbc "politics nation" reverend al sharpton. al, it's always great to talk to you. especially on this moment. university of alabama invited me, a lot of alabama students residents went to see this film. a lot of tears in the audience from a lot of people that were in the march. talk about this weekend, what it

means, and how selma is going to be celebrated over the next three days. >> well, it's going to be a momentousno momentous occasion because it's the 50th anniversary. i'm en route there now. i will be doing my show from there tonight. the president of the united states and his whole family is bringing his wife and daughters, are coming tomorrow. he's going to make an address at the the edmund petis bridge where he was beating at for leading a voters right march across that bridge. that's going to be a very historic moment. the first african-american president standing there 50 years later to the day. >> unbelievable. >> it's chilling. >> it really is. >> it really is. to stand there and watch that. i can't -- i can't tell you how much that will mean to me. i was only 10 years old when the march happened in '65.

i wasn't there. but i've come back as i've become an adult because it's done every year. but tomorrow is special because it's the 50th anniversary. then sunday there will be the unity breakfast that is done every year of all the different groups that may disagree on tactics but come together for breakfast. and then they go to brown chapel, the church that dr. king and others headquartered 50 years ago. i'm doing the morning sermon there. there will be others attorney general holder will be there. three days of commemoration, celebration, and a commitment to continue to fight for -- >> we've talked an awful lot. you've been on this show about how far we've come as a nation of the past 50 years. but you look at what's happened this past week. you look at the e-mails that were flying around in ferguson. you look at the pattern of abuse that black residents of that town have faced and endured.

it's happening across the country and other places. does that cast a shadow on this weekend? >> i think that it doesn't cast a shadow. it says to us that we cannot in many ways make mockery of the progress we've made by not continuing the journey. i think when you look at the fact that 50 years later a black president will walk on that bridge, that tells us if we use the same determination, same discipline, and same focus, that dr. king and others did 50 years ago, we can deal with the issues at ferguson now has put before us. we should use that not as a casting a shadow but as a challenge that if they could with far less bring us this far, we have no excuse but solving unfair policing solving what is racial profiling and solving whatever is still a disparity in

our society without a lot of name calling. i think that i was listening to the segment, i think that you and i may disagree on hands up or something else. but you're not a bigot. and you and i may disagree on other things. it doesn't mean i'm just racial. we need to have a real conversation to have solutions. i got to know you and we're friends. i hope that republican leadership comes to selma and say, look we don't have to agree on everything, but we've got to agree on the goals of where this country goes. that's what selma means. and that's why selma made such progress. >> as you said, people inside the civil rights movement going back to selma that disagreed with each other but you need to sit there and talk about it. i do think, mike one of -- disappointment for me this weekend is the fact that republican leadership is not going down there and i've been looking at it more today than i have on a lot of shows. republican leadership, get your ass down there.

put somebody on the plane and send them to selma. get down there. this the not hard. don't golf. don't raise money. get somebody in the republican leadership down to selma to celebrate an extraordinary moment in american history. mike barnicle? >> i doubt that's going to happen, joe. >> it needs to happen. >>er that going to continue with their -- they're so obsessed with barack obama that they won't be there. they just won't be there. reverend al, i'd like to ask you this. about black communities, not just in selma, not just in ferguson, but around the country. what steps can we continue to make bolder steps obviously needed here, to do something about the isolation of so many blacks in communities, big and small, around this country? isolation in terms of the geography of city where's they live isolation in terms of the access to employment and education and the places where they grow up? >> i think that we've got to

have one standard in terms of equal protection under the law and equal opportunity. and we cannot do that without enforcement of laws and in many ways, also prodding a lot of community residents to take advantages of them and push forward. so i think it's both. but the ferguson report shows us there is systemic unfairness that has to be confronted. but at the same time we must take advantage of those doors that are open and push forward. and i think that we're seeing a continued isolation that both sides need to not accept and, in fact, find ways to aggressively come together. but i think that when we start mislabeling activists or those that are conservative then we don't have the kind of coming together that will solve the problem. ferguson should have taught us those act visivists were right. they were right to raise the

question. now let's come to the question. >> reverend al sharpton thank you very much. we're going to be watching the events from selma all weekend long. thank you. >> republicans should send somebody down there. >> i can't believe this is even an issue. i can't believe not one is going. >> send a representative. >> it's a lost opportunity. >> there are -- i read and i think it was in the times today. a lot of rank in file republicans are saying pry vautly what i just said on the air. telling their leadership get down there. send a representative down there. >> yeah. bad week for them. still ahead. democratic congressman jim clyburn will join us. plus, what party insiders are saying in iowa and new hampshire about the hillary e-mail controversy.

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the latest brouhaha that hillary clinton is dealing with does it matter with activists in iowa and new hampshire? >> supporters say no way, they don't care? >> but behind the scenes a lot of insiders activists, people who are elected officials, operative, say it does matter. joe, you know this. every reporter in town will tell you that despite the united front on camera when you're talking to top democrats off camera off the record, they're getting skittish about the possible effect this story -- they think it's breaking through. every week politico's james talks to these insiders in iowa new hampshire, about 150, about we found that 40% of the democrats say that this story really matters. so on camera it's about 0% of democrats will admit that it hurts. but in the survey a big number did. of course republicans very excited about it. 85% of them say it's breaking through. so what this shows us is that

with the people who are going to be controlling these early contests, she has a lot of repair work to do. >> mike it's heilemann here. the bottom line question. do you think this thing, which is going to go on for a while, do you think this materially alters her chances to be the democratic nominee? >> probably not because, partly because you hear so many democrats -- and this is what democrats will always retreat to. they'll say exactly the same thing republicans do which is this is what you expect from the clintons. good or bad, it's baked into the cake priced into the stock. and that's why you have so many people, even people who think that this is a real problem, say that it's in the very long run, it will get washed away by something else. everything seems to these days. >> somebody -- i've heard some people start to say that hillary clinton is too big to fail. but the democrats are so invested in her that she can't fail. it's a terrible way to go into a

primary process. >> it is. having said that when you go out there and you talk to people, especially women, i know a lot of young women that i work with on different projects they are so excited about her. they of love her. there's really a lot she could do before they would turn their backs on her. she has unbelievable support. just everywhere i go. >> mike allen, happy friday. >> happy weekend. >> all right. coming up harrisonford survives a dramatic plane crash on a golf course. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like shopping hungry equals overshopping.

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54 past the hour. legendary actor harrison ford is recovering after the vintage world war ii airplane he was flying crashed near santa monica. according to federal investigators his single engine ryan aircraft lost power shortly after takeoff and he was trying to return to the airport. a group of golfers say they heard the engine sputter, pulled out their cellphones and shot this video. ford is said to have suffered injuries to the head but was alert when he was taken to the hospital. sources tell next bc news he has been in surgery but is expected

to recover fully, which is truly unbelievable. let's bring in anthony roman, faa licensed commercial pilot and former flight instructor and eric gardner, senior editor for the hollywood reporter. first, let's talk about what happened. anthony, from your vantage point it seemed his skill as a pilot might have saved his life. >> remarkable skill. >> remarkable skill. >> it's really a testament to the amount of training that he's done as a private pilot. >> what was it from what you can see so far that he was able to do that was so remarkable beyond survive this but with the plane? >> he suffered the most adverse circumstance that any private pilot can suffer. >> what are they? >> low altitude low airspeed a densely populated area directly underneath him. he had two options with his limited glide speed. simply get back to the airport or land at the golf course. and to do it at that low altitude, to pull it off is a

remarkable feat. >> look at the wreckage. i still -- they say he's going to recover fully. at first the word came out that it wasn't such good news. how is he able to do that? >> well, there are a number of techniques that you can use. and one is called the slip to landing. once he realized he wasn't going to be able to make it to the airport, i suspect that he slipped the airplane in and that causes a bleeding of altitude very, very quickly. and would cause in circumstance like this perhaps this high impact vertical hit that he suffered. >> all right. eric gardner, hollywood reporter. let's talk about the "star wars" brand. joe's son and joe watch "star wars" obsessively all the time. i'm not necessarily one of those, but i understand that it's big. and they were watching "indiana jones" last night. obsessed with harrisonford. does this draw any concern? is he working on a project right

now? >> i don't think there's any concern at the moment that he won't be able to finish filming "star wars." you know and he just signed up for a new version of "blade runner," too, which is another one of his classic films. for the "star wars" brand it's going to make a billion dollars whether he's in it or in the limited role certainly if it's more limited, people are going to be disappointed but, you know, people go to see the film because it's "star wars," not because it's a harrison ford film. >> it's a whole thing. joe, don't worry. "star wars" is going to be okay according to the "hollywood reporter." you are hear today because joe was freaking out about "star wars" and his son. they don't know what they would do. >> very worried. >> everything is going to be fine. >> thank god. >> anthony roman, eric gardner, thank you so much. >> i've been worked up there morning. >> love the "hollywood reporter," it's fun. coming up lawrence o'donnell joins us on the hillary clinton e-mail

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that's the look he always gets when the topic is the clintons. >> i so we that look. >> hundred any er is. >> you're signing, interpretation. >> no. >> known you too long. >> you're a performer. i like it. >> let's not waste time. let him perform. >> i'm ready to see it. >> he's getting ready to get up and leave. >> wind him up and let him -- >> leave him alone. i just think that you're amusing. i like it. you've got a loaded look. >> new questions for hillary clinton's e-mail. what's politico reporting? >> politico is reporting that the state department had a policy in effect since 2005 that daily operations should be conducted using official servers. we knew that. clinton is under scrutiny for using a so-called home brew e-mail system during her time in office. the system that would make it potentially harder to gain public access to her communications but possibly more vulnerable to hacking.

the politico article cites a department manual that predated clinton's tenure calling for an authorized system to ensure the safety of the information. meanwhile, "the washington post" reports a state department review is under way. >> so the review is under way, lawrence, what's your tack away? >> first of all, i think the newest report is wrong. i think politico has misinterpreted the memo. i think this memo is not in contradiction in any way to what hillary clinton was doing. it does not say that text mail for normal day-to-day you had to conduct it on the department's system. >> right. >> it had to be on a system. >> that was backed up. >> authorized system which has proper security control, authentication, encryption. the indications are that hillary's system did have that. and when you say an authorized -- when it has to be authorized secretary of state is empowered to authorize the

system as -- >> so the issue is the 2009 guidelines, right? >> that's the biggest thing in front of us right now. two of the biggest things in front of us. first of all, the president's direct i on this. president obama said you know campaigned, most open administration and meaning this kind of thing. all the sunshine laws and regulations would be observed. then there is a 2009 regulation regulation that goes into effect when hillary clinton becomes secretary of state which says, this is the words, much trickery for hillary. the e-mail must be preserved in the appropriate agency record keeping system. that clearly did not happen. we know that didn't happen. the appropriate record keeping system did not even get these e-mails until a couple months ago. >> tell me lawrence why does this matter even democrats? why am i seeing tweets from

david corn around other democrats and liberals saying come on -- >> what's at issue -- first of all, what's really at issue in the john heilemann world of who is going to be president, what's really at issue ultimately is going to be what's in those e-mails because we live in that smoking gun culture. if there's nothing in the e-mails that bothers anyone if it all seems sensible and business like, then this will turn out to be absolutely nothing. it will be a violation of the speed limit and, you know the car didn't crash anyway so no problem. >> you think so? >> i have no idea what's in e-mails. the trouble with what's in the e-mails, i think for the campaign, and i don't know what you think. because we now are going to take a very long time to find out what's in the e-mails, this thing hangs over for a very very long time. the good thing for the hillary candidacy is it's happening right now. >> let me challenge you though quickly and then let john jump in. i don't know if it's just what's

in the e-mail i don't know. you had a secretary of state ignored the e-mail. you had -- >> she voileiolated her boast' guideline. president barack obama said don't do it that way. >> by the way -- >> do it this way. hillary clinton just said -- >> no. >> i'm not going to do it. 2011, jay carney goes out holds a press conference, this is how we do it. >> u.s. government policy all of our work is conducted on work e-mail accounts end quote. jay carney. >> and on top of that even if there's nothing in those e-mails a cause any great concern, the same time you have somebody who is deciding to take care of this on her own up in at the same time the russians the chinese, enemy, north koreans across the world are working around the clock to hack into e-mails, to figure out what's going on and in fact, you have hackers inside

the state department the state department system right now that they vice president been able to evict for the past six months. >> you know who really hates -- >> national security. >> you know who hates this the, the biggest democratic critic of this e-mail behavior? >> who is that? >> a candidate for president in 2007 who said our constitution is being shredded. our constitution is being shredded. secret wiretaps. we knew about the secret wiretaps. the secret military tribunals and the secret white house e-mail accounts said hillary clinton. secret white house e-mail accounts were part of shredding the constitution according to one democrat who has not yet spoken on the hillary clinton e-mails. >> and hillary clinton's own state department used as one of the reasons for firing an ambassador. >> right. >> the fact that he has his own e-mail. >> big difference there, that was a commercial e-mail account.

hers isn't a commercial e-mail account. it's a big difference. >> i'll say lawrence to your point, about what the meaning of this is. already amazingly people are forgetting what the context of the story is which is that prior to this literally a week ago we were talking about the fact that the clinton foundation turned out had accepted money from foreign governments which was in con controvention. prior to that there were other controversies swirling around the foundation and its donors and foreign businesses that had given money. there is a massive questions about how she conducted herself in the state department relative to the foundation donations, donors to the foundation. all those questions are going to get picked at over the course of the coming months. this e-mail scandal, if it's a scandal or controversy, plays into that in the sense that it goes back to the question of

hillary clinton as secretive and paranoia -- and paranoid and it just more catnip for conservatives who can issue subpoenas related to it. we remember how question got to impeachment started with white it is water and a special counsel who went from one kind of investigation to another kind of investigation. benghazi opened a door. all of these things -- >> you say catnip. this isn't a conservative issue. this isn't a republican issue. >> i'm not saying it's only that. i'm saying it is the case that there are conservative republicans who are now issuing subpoenas on the basis of this controversy. >> this is not a republican or a conservative issue. >> as i said earlier, you said there are democrats concerned about this legitimate issues of transparency and all those things. but they're all true. politically speaking this thing build on itself. >> let's go around the table. steve rattner. >> a democrats are concerned.

>> they are. >> they're concerned because they don't feel like they understand what happened. they don't feel like they've got a plausible explanation but they're not going to turn on her. with respect to the foundation stuff you mentioned, there's a lot of questions about appearances. real really only one mine for question. $500,000 gift. >> at the moment. >> from algeria. i come back to what lawrence said. clearly at some point the e-mails are going to get read. it's going to take long time which is not in her interest to have this drag on. if at the end of all that there's a few katty remarks, this that nothing terrible does this become a speeding ticket as you put it and life goes on. >> for a political campaign that's all it becomes. the concern, the do especially concern here is in fact a liberal concern because the liberal principle that is being undermined by this kind of practice and was undermined by the same practice in the bush administration is the freedom of

information, the freedom of information act was passed in 1966 over the master of the senate lbj's objection. there was the powerful -- he couldn't stop it because the vietnam was raging. all sorts of reasons why people wanted to know what's rally going on in this government. amendments to it. a proved in 1974. this has been decades. it has been a decades long crusade and it's a great piece of liberal architecture. the freedom of information act. this e-mail system was set up obviously to defy the freedom of information act. e-mails were completely immune from every single freedom of information act request. >> can you imagine, table, if this was dick cheney and he had a server in mcclain virginia. >> oh, many iy lord. >> it was colorado. >> i would be saying exactly the same thing. >> you would be saying it a will bill more -- >> no, exactly the same thing.

>> i'm just going to be transparent. i would go crazy. i would be completely off the hook if it were -- and i'm trying to be -- because i do think sometimes there's a little bit of biased that sneaks into this but this is wrong. and you're right, it completely -- it is a liberal cornerstone, transparency. the freedom of information. >> and to the state department. >> sir crumb ventthat's why you have the associated press, mika, to gawker, who is asking for information. they're not -- requests are coming up empty. i think it was gawker or perhaps a.p. asking for rains' e-mail correspondence while at the state department. they dot a response back that nothing matched that request. >> they probably had to protect expletives. >> let me keep going. as if felipe did not send any e-mails. the entire purpose of this was

to circumvent the freedom of explanation act and the much bigger issue here atlanta the end of the day is we're not talking about somebody who was barack obama's political act, political guru. >> correct. >> we're talking about the secretary of state perhaps the most critical and sensitive position in the president's cabinet who determines u.s. foreign policy has a big say in u.s. foreign policy. and they're running the operations out of chappaqua. >> president obama can save her on this if he could come forward and say, well, here's what happened. unique situation. former first lady under secret service protection and intense scrutiny. we decided, we decided, i decided as the boss that if she could have her own e-mail. >> guys this is what ron wrote. that ain't happening.

this is what ron wrote this morning i want to get everybody's reaction. quote, i want the public to see my e-mail. hillary clinton tweeted wednesday night. i asked state to release them. they said they will review them for release as soon as possible if if she wants us to see her e-mails, why did she create a secret account stored on a dark server registered at her home? like echk else about the response to this controversy, clinton oop tweet is reminiscent to the 1990s when her husband's white house over came the wrong doing by blaming republicans and demonizing and pulleying the media. it's a shaming script unbecoming of a historic figure who could be our next president and jarringly inappropriate for these times. and john heilemann, that was the may book back in the 1990s. you call it a vast right wing conspiracy when it was a conspiracy bill clinton was making. attack the media, bully the

media. i have been surprised an other people have written about it already in the liberal media and how people are afraid to actually take on the clintons because they think it's somehow unbecoming. >> well, just two points. one is even if she's now said that the 55,000 pages of e-mails she's given oef to the state department she wants them to be released. ron raises a relevant question there. those are not all the e-mails. those are the e-mails the chose. that's another question. the e-mails she hasn't tund over to the state department will she release those e-mails? only talking agent the ones she's already turned over. the second question i think, to your point, a question i ask to the table. in 2008 when hillary clinton ran for president and supposedly inechtable in fact much of the democratic establishment looked at her and said you know i don't think we want to go through that again. the clinton drama of the '90s. what we want is someone who can appeal to red and purple states and someone who is not going to spark all of these wars and

maybe her husband has problems and let's just look at alternatives. so at what point -- >> and let me just interject quickly that you continue the r of inevitability was every bit as strong then as it is now until david geffen quoted that famous line which was the clintons are unusually good liars, maureen dodd put it in a column and it's as if a dam broke. >> uneasy democratic establishment in 2007 found an alternative in barack obama. clearly not at this moment an alternative of that kind. my question to everyone at the table would be at what point -- democratic establishment still has those qualms about her and about what it might look like the she is the democratic nominee. we are seeing some of it right now. so at what point does the democratic establishment and the democratic basis open the door to a challenger to is significant challenger? >> never. this isn't going to rise to that level. republicans haven't given up on the guy whose team used

unauthorized private e-mail yahoo! to g-mail to write the e-mail, time for some traffic problems in ft. lee. that guy is still supposed to be a viable for the republican party. >> no, he's not. >> the difference is there is no barack obama. i actually never thought hillary was invincible over obama in the first place. >> steve rattner, a foresworn hillary supporter. >> and certified member of the democratic establishment. >> all right. >> tell us. >> a couple of things. first of all, there are other ergs e-mails. she's going to have to deal with them. you need to find a representable person to vet it. second, go back as we talked about before. a lot depends on these e-mails. here's the real point. i think what hillary needs to do now is get out in front of this. she is behind this story every step of the way. she needs someone to tell her you've got to be pro act i. you've got to take it be i the throat and you've got to try to

wrestle it to the ground. >> let's do this thing. all right. now let's go to the near miss the crash, but luckily everyone survived at laguardia airport. let's bring in nbc news stephanie gosk live in queens new york, with the latest of than close call. the plane skidded off the runway stephanie, and then what happened? >> reporter: well, it's skidded off the runway hit the grass. it then hit that fence and a berm and it could have done that berm and that small fence kept it from going into flushing bay. where we are from our vantage point you get a really good sense of just how much water surrounds laguardia. a couple hours ago they came in and took that plane away and air traffic here is slowly getting back to normal. ntsb investigators will be looking at a number of factors. among them the weather itself. this airport is a very place to land. you've got that water, the short runways. the weather only makes it harder. it was snowing yesterday when

this plane skidded off the runway. but just before that two planes landed totally fine. they said their brakes were working perfectly well. mika? >> stephanie gosk thank you very much. coming up on "morning joe," how far has the u.s. come since selma and how far do we still need to go? jim clyburn joins us next. you're watching "morning joe." you can't predict the market. but at t. rowe price we've helped guide our clients through good times and bad. our experienced investment professionals are one reason over 85% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper averages. so in a variety of markets we can help you feel confident. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing.

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we've been talking about this morning, this weekend marks the 50th anniversary of the march in selma. president barack obama is heading to alabama saturday. he's going to be joined by surviving marchers and thousands of others there. with us now from columbia south carolina, we've got representative jim clyburn. jim, it's always great talking to you. what a big weekend going on in selma. tell us what it means, especially in the shadow of this justice department report that came out this week. >> well, thank you so much for having me, joe. this going to be a great weekend, i think. it begins today.

here in south carolina. the president is going to be here at benedict college. he will be talking to youth leaders. and he will be talking to them about the challenges that they face and getting them to understand hopefully that 50 years ago in selma mart lynn luther king jr. led the march but john lewis and james are foreman and other young people just out of college are the ones who made that march a successful -- a success. and then we will be going into tomorrow there on the bridge which will be the exact date of bloody sunday though this year fall on a saturday. and hopefully there will be 98 or 99 members of congress there. >> yeah. >> democrats and republicans. i hope that when we leave that bridge on saturday that we can go back to washington and can

work together to fix the voting rights act that has been virtually dismantled by the recent shelby decision. >> jim, how old were you in '65? >> oh, in '65 i was -- yeah i was a 25-year-old. i don't know if you notice it but i was in -- john lewis and i first met in atlanta october 15th, 1968 when we were putting the finishing touches on snick which was the weekend before martin luther king jr. went to jail for the first time. >> is there any way you could have imagined on this weekend in 1965 in the middle of the selma marches that in your lifetime, 50 years later, you would be

hosting a black president in south carolina who would then go over to commemorate the 50th anniversary of this courageous march? >> no way. john lewis and i'd talked about this a couple days ago. our offices are direct over under each other there in the office building. we were meeting with some young people from the inner city of new york. we were explaining to them how we felt back there in 1960 and the dreams we had, though none of us not a one of us ever felt that we would fulfill those dreams to the extent that we have and to have the two of us serving together in congress. just absolutely remarkable feat. however, we now see things like ferguson things like the new voting rights act that we need to get done and we see these

legislatures all over the country putting in now new impediments to voting. in 1965 we were trying to get rid of the poll tax, full slate voting. and these things that were dilutions and denials of the vote. today they've gotten some new methods under the auspices of voter id other impediments now putting in place. so the battle wamgs s wages on. joe, as you know our country never moved on a linear plan. we go like a pendulum on the clock, left right, back left and back right. the country is using back right again. we are going to say to the young people today and hopefully on tomorrow, you have a role to play in this. go and see the movie "selma" but when you leave that movie say i'm going to go out and be next james foreman, the next john

lewis, the next andrew young. these are people, james ashrcher, who got us where we are today. it is now north young people of this country, you have a job to do going forward. >> jim clyburn, congressman jim clyburn, thank you so much. good to have you on. >> thank you for having me. coming up live in national review says governor chris christie has a lot more work to do in jersey before he starts thinking about the white house. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like shopping hungry equals overshopping.

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31 past. hour. joining us from washington moderator for "meet the press," chuck todd and senior editor of "senior journal" steve. you've written a piece on chris christie that's the feature -- cover story in the upcoming issue of "national review." in the piece entitled "the kristi christiehiatus ". it might have demonstrated that

it is possible to change the culture to over turn the greedy dysfunctional politics so consistentcon tisest cyst tently herd in new jersey. christie still has time to demonstrate just how destructive years of tax borrow and spend policies have been and this would have been a real achievement. >> it was just a year and ago chris christie was having a victorious victory speech. everybody was paying attention to him. how did he go from being such a success a year and a half ago to now being on the cover of the "national review" and all but -- >> that was rough. that was rough stuff. >> first of all, i think for a very long time he has

underestimated just how much work needs to be done to reform new jersey. remember back in 2012 he declared the jersey comeback has become and a lot of us raised our eyebrows at that particular time. >> why is that? >> if you look for instance, this is a state that has all kinds of legacy costs that have been built up. it's not just a question of oh, gee, we come in and have a recession, we cut spending a little bit and everything is going to be okay as soon as the economy bounces back. this is a long term project. new jersey is not the only one. in fairness what you have what the national government association called a few years ago the great reset among the states spending among the states and taxing them on the states is a huge challenge in this environment right now. >> is new jersey in a better place today than when chris christie economically became governor or worse? >> slightly better place in that the democratic legislature and the republican governor have gotten together and they have passed reforms including municipal reforms making it

easier for the cities to manage their budgets. >> when you hear chris christie's op poen epts sponents talking about credit downgrades and is that chris christie's fault? >> a couple of things. number one is yes, they are true. number two, is part of the downgrade is because the state has these tens of billions of dollars of pension debt they have not begun to cut away. he inherited that but his 2011 reforms where he got the legislature to step up and say, we're going to get together and do something together, his 2011 reforms fell way short and people told him at the time independent analysts told him at the time that it wasn't going to be enough. >> we've got chuck todd here. chuck, i want to ask you about hillary clinton in a few minutes. i'm sure you're going to talk about it this weekend on "meet the press." but first you have a question for steve. >> i talked to a democrat a few years ago who said one of the

reasons they didn't run to run for governor was because they thought thing boos were more of a mess than it looks on paper. not just because of the unfunded liabilities, but that there has been way too many budget tricks that basically new jersey -- legislative democrats and the christie administration did together that was masking some of the problems. did you find that? >> well, first of all, that's true. and actually i'm not quite sure they were hidden. they're out there. "the new york times" said a couple years ago that this is a state that if you consider adequately funding your pensions as part of your budget process, this is a state that has not balanced the budget in 20 years. all of this builds up. you're right. as i said there are a lot of legacy costs there that just don't go away when you snap your fingers. new jersey is not the only state dealing with this. illinois, same thing. i think the new governor of illinois has problems. >> a lot. >> lots of luck. >> don't end up in jail by the

way. >> and cities are -- some cities are in the exactly the same position. i agree with you. >> you're saying that there's still time for him to fix his problems? >> yeah. >> wait a minute. >> time for him is he's got to get it done by august because he's run for president. what can he do by august? >> first of all, nobody does that. okay? >> nobody fixes new jersey by august. >> case closed. >> that doesn't -- you know, and now becomes the issue. look, this is a governor who when he had been in office for two years in 2012 with all of these problems began considering runs for president. people in new jersey were saying, my god, you ran on this reform agenda reform in new jersey and he's really digging in. and already in two years you're thinking of running for president. so there's a different dynamic in new jersey than there is in this discussion. >> i like it. nobody fixes new jersey by august. that's the line.

>> not even chris. thank you so much steve. greatly appreciate it. cover story in the "national review." hope you come back and talk on other issues as well. chuck todd let's bring you back in. and tell us we've been talking about hillary all week. what a week my gosh. what's your take? >> look i think that the biggest problem for her as she -- we're about three weeks from her announcement potentially, if you read the tea leaves and depending on different people you talk to on this. here she is. this is the biggest story that will take place it looks like before she actually becomes a formal candidate. the real problem here is it gives congressional republicans legitimacy in their minds to keep going on these investigations. so it means there is going to be an active congressional investigation through november of '16. that is not something if you're a non-incumbent candidate for president and you're the nominee and you've got to sit here and

worry constantly about at any given moment some leaks, some problem coming from congressional committee? that's what to me this story, the long-term impact of this story means. congress and the congressional republicans, there's probably going to be more investigations not less. >> chuck, we were just talking about chris christie who, again, just a year and a half ago on the cover of "time" magazine as the republican party's great hope. had a remarkable re-election celebration that we can all still remember. but it was an investigation over a bridge where he's for the most part, i believe, has been cleared. it started as steady stream of investigations. and he has been bled out politically. maybe he recovers. i don't know that he does. it certainly does cause real concerns. do you see this though as a potential problem in the democratic party? >> you know i think you've got a lot of -- there is some democratic hammering going on and some folks that i'll talked

to. but then in the next breath these sort of worrywart democrats will say this is the clintons and they always survive. they always know how of get through something like this. because it's -- you know maybe it's built in with some voters p this is the type of story that has new york and washington all fired up but is it really penetrating with real voters? is it going to impact her with democrats? i think those are the ways that some democrats in washington are comforting themselves. >> let's look at exactly what happened here. joining us now from washington policy director of the sunlight foundation, john wonderlic, he has two dozen questions he would like to ask about the e-mails. two dozen, 24 questions. >> if you could ask those 24 questions in under 20 seconds. >> yes please. >> i don't know if we have 24 questions be you our primary concern at the sun light foundation is how top leaders

ant cabinet people function. there's been the federal records act since 1950 that require agency heads to make sure that records are maintained and preserved and what hillary did wasn't just fail to maintain them, she's set up a private testimony to personally control who had access to her records. much bigger than the political question is the question of is this how we want our agencies to operate and can we come up with a better system so that we can have confidence that e-mails and records from important very senior agency officials are managed in a way that is accessible to the freedom of information act, that's accessible to congressional oversight and empowers inspectors general. >> john it's lawrence o'donnell. are you saying that what she did is in violation of a 1950 law. >> well, it's a law that's been on the books since 1950. suggest it might outdated.

>> suggest criminal liability here to you? all i've seen so far other than that 1950 law is regulations. when john mccain is out there saying, you know, she committed a crime, that to me is a wild overstatement. >> i don't think that part of the law has criminal penalties attached to it. affirmative responsibility for agency heads to insure that the information of the agency is properly managed and nobody -- i keep imagineing at a confirmation hearing what's your plan to make sure the agency's records are well managed because the state department has had issues around this sort of thing before. the issue never, well, i'm going to hire someone to set up a server i'm going to manage personally. >> john, is it a question to you also that nobody noticed this? there's two parts to this. there's the state department and then there's the white house. and the president who you know chose her for secretary of state. did they not notice that she was using her own erg-mail?

>> secretary of state presumably does a lot of work in person or through text or through staff. but still, every e-mail presumably was a little mini announcement that she was using a nonofficial e-mail address. think of all the national security council staff or the white house chief of staff or white house council. every e-mail thread would have an understand noed what kind of address she was using, we would assume. so this must have been an open secret in senior circles within the white house and the state department and so there's another question as to whether anyone tried to come forward. >> john wonderlich thank you so much. chuck todd lawrence o'donnell said earlier, with that sort of glint in his eye -- >> that's a glean. >> mischievous glean in his eye that barack obama could take care of this if he wanted to. i just -- i don't see that happening though do you? >> you know you could see it in the sort of the old core obama staffers, if you've seen their

quotes. robert gibbs and others. they're not very for giving on this. this was sort of at the core of how they went after candidate hillary clinton in '07 and '08, on issues like transparency on issues like good government issues. look at the things they made her do in order to be secretary of state. sus send raising -- make sure the foundation suspended raising money from foreign governments for a time period. you got to think the obama white house didn't know -- i'd like to know if they knew about this e-mail server in advance. i would be surprised if they did because if they did, i got to think knowing how they raised so many objections to even individual hires, that she attempted to make like sydney blooming that, i got to think if the white house knew about it at that time they would have rised a red flag. >> with the 2009 with jay carney going out in 2011 saying this is how we do things here. >> i know just from how difficult it is for any -- >> jay carney never got an

e-mail from the secretary of state. >> i thought that exit interview was weird. >> we know the clintons. people have talked to the clintons regularly. for people that know p obamas. for people who talked to the obamas and people close to the obamas, there is absolutely no love loss between these two people or these two families. i just -- i'm with you, chuck. i find it hard to believe that barack obama's people would allow her to conduct the affairs of state on a server in chappaqua, new york. >> remember what they did. she tried to hire sydney bloomen bloomenthah and gibbs and axelrod fell on their sword to stop it. >> who do you have on "meet tr press"? >> i have a couple of senator, dianne feinstein and lindsey graham, but also john lewis with the selma anniversary and curt schilling.

>> fantastic story. >> talk about what's the culture. >> yes, yes, yes. i look forward to seeing that. >> chuck, from your tweet, retweeted it. thank you so much. >> i've been obsessed with it. >> so good. still ahead -- chuck, thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," a college student run for judicial board faces strong opposition simply because she is jewish. the university that is now facing plenty of criticism this morning. that story and much more still ahead on "morning joe." ♪ at mfs, we believe in the power of active management. every day, our teams collaborate around the world to actively uncover, discuss and debate investment opportunities. which leads to better decisions for our clients. it's a uniquely collaborative approach you won't find anywhere else. put our global active management expertise to work for you. mfs. there is no expertise without collaboration.

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>> this is my suspect. >> my country. who the hell do you think you are? >> i'm fbi. that was a scene from the usa networks new mystery thriller called "dig," which premiered last night. joining us now its star actor jason isaacs. good to have you onboard this morning. >> more frightening than a conspiracy -- >> shaking in my shoes. >> raising teenage girls. >> how old is your daughter? >> she's just about to be 13. >> ah so sorry. >> just moving to dad as a god to god as a creditor. >> it gets much worse. >> thank you very much. >> but then it gets better. >> no it doesn't. >> actually, it's true as well. i don't know if you spent time in jerusalem, whether you know much tab or not, once you get there you can't avoid the conquest and everyone is

fighting for control of the one hill. anyone wants to spot that we will be thousands of miles away and that's what the show is about. >> good show. >> sent over to investigate the murder -- >> i'm not sent there. i hope i'm not killed if my bed for this. every consulate and embassy in the world has legal attaches. and i start investigating a murd my world, all of our worlds start falling apart. >> and uncove an ancient international spawn spearsy y conspiracy that changes the course my friend -- >> yes! >> -- of human history. big. that's epic. >> world war because of human -- there are people sitting in office in this country and sitting on major resources who would like this to be the last day of the planet as we know it because the new planets would involve a different order and

the messiah returning, and they are hiding in plain sight. the conspiracy is about something hidden maybe it's not a conspiracy. they exist, working towards it. a very very entertaining old-fashioned global action thriller but at the heart of it real issues. >> very exciting. >> the whole thing seems staggering to me. talk a little about the human character you're playing? this guy has a lot of conflicts and what's going on? >> the thing about television, the reason things are worth watching not because actors that you've seen or even we have amazing locations. it's who's telling the story? the man who created "homeland "and "heroes" combined to tell a story they care about, and they create human beings. complicated human beings. i am for instance running away from a tragedy. i was derailed by in washington and i've got a male protege, give me a job in washington i'm sleep wig her but we're not a couple. we think we can -- it's physical

convenient. good luck with that. >> good luck with that fella. >> where are you shooting this? >> we shot? judes lim. >> a >> -- jerusalem. >> amazing. >> while we shot, underneath it, places the public had never been to never mind cameras. and then we votshot in croatia and caves and rooftops. >> this is your sectionond season? "brotherhood" the first? >> no. i did other -- >> "brotherhood" playing whitey bulger in providence. >> yes. and the message got to me. >> really? >> thank god. because he was -- >> what does your daughter think of you? >> she wishes i came home and stopped running around in makeup pretending to be other people. >> oh that's probably -- yeah. sums it up. "dig" airs thursday nights on usa network, it looks amazing. jason isaacs thank you.

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it is good. you know? it used to be -- >> all right. good morning everybody. it's the top of the hour. this is the last blast of winter and what a blast it is. good days are coming. >> it's a blast. >> it's cold though. >> the last blast? is it? >> no. it is. >> mika's saying it is. >> according to who? according to mika? >> i got like eight feet of snow in my backyard. it's nothing compared to what's happening in boston man. >> how's maine? >> it's unbelievable.

>> ah. all right. mike barnicle here. john heilemann and steve rattner joins us as well. >> you don't like flying by the way. >> i don't. >> you don't like flying and whenever i'm on plane with you i have to say, it's okay it's okay. i like -- look at this thing, steven rattner, we've going to talk about this. almost skilleded into the bay. >> look fear of flying is perhaps the most irrational fear in the world. >> these days. >> this day. you have a greater chance -- >> no it's not. >> -- are being killed riding your bicycle. stop i can't even -- >> look at this. can't even talk logic with her. you can't talk logic with her umplgts have a greater chance of drowning in your bathtub. >> we begin with the latest with questions over hillary clinton's e-mail. a policy in effect since 2005 daily operations should be conducted using official servers. clinton is under scrutiny for using a so-called home brew e-mail system during her time in

office. a system that would make potentially harder to gain public access to her communications but possibly more vulnerable to hacking. the political article cites a department manual reportedly predates clinton's tenure calling for an authorized system to ensure the safety of the information. meanwhile, "the washington post" reports a state department review is under way. one department official says that clinton may not have automatically broken the rules, and it depends on the sensitivity of the information inside her e-mails, and the "new york times" reports, state department lawyers tasked with going through documents for the congressional benghazi probe in 2012 noticed that e-mails for clinton were from a personal account. none were from an official one. one official told the paper, "this all raised the question to us what else are we missing? and what do we need to comply? hillary clinton exclusively used personal e-mail accounts to conduct official business during her teen tenure as secretary of

state. in part a u.s. ambassador for his own use of private e-mail. according to the federalist the state department inspector general report eventually led to the resignation of u.s. ambassador to kenya scott gracian to stepped down weeks before released citing that the ambassador "willfully disregarded department regulations on the use of commercial e-mail for government business." the report also says the ambassador's requirements for use of commercial e-mail in the office at his flouting of direct instructions to adhere to department policy have placed the information management staff in a could nunnundrum and ordered a commercial internet connection installed in his office bathroom so he could work there on a laptop not connected to the department's e-mail system what the -- >> this goes on and on and on

forever. bottom line john heilemann, the state department -- this guy supposedly was a loose cannon but one of the reasons he got fired, according to the report was, that the guy would not use state department e-mail. >> yep. >> hillary clinton, state department. you know there are problems when you start going through your twitter feed and david korn is talking how soerserious this is going to be. i don't mean it as a negative for david korn clintons can't say it's a right wing conspiracy. democrats are going, what the hell? what the hell? >> yeah. >> exactly. >> thank you so much. i'm glad you -- >> there's just -- >> that's all. >> so much to say about this. >> what? >> what's going on? >> this is going to go on for a long time now. the story -- this is going to be a big -- >> it's an important story. >> voters don't care. >> voters don't care. >> look voters may or may not care. may or may not understand the story at this point, but there are issues here about the law. there are issues here about the rules. there are issues here about the bake fundamental precepts of

accountability and transparency that the government's supposed to run under. >> and how a government is suppose to run. >> how a government is supposed to run. >> and can i add one? national security. >> there's that. >> all state department servers being hacked. somebody's -- like gets their own home-brewed system in chappaqua? >> these are real issues and then there are significant political issues why she did what she did, how they're handling it going forward and what i think politically is the most sig tentnificant about this as you see the explosion around this, so much of this -- the dna of this controversy can be seen at every clinton scandal or controversy going back for 25 years. so there are a lot of democrats who like and respect hillary clinton but have a lot of uneasiness about her as a standard bearer for the party, because they think, just as they thought in 2008 that this kind of thing is liable to happen at any moment, causing a huge --

subpoenas, republicans going crazy. all of this stuff. this is the sfuftuff that makes democrats queasy and it's back with a vengeance before she's even started her campaign. >> what might have worked in '98 and '99, screening the press, all republicans' fault, a conspiracy, doesn't work in 2015 steven rattner. what are you hearing from your xlan porters? >> well it doesn't work in part because i don't think she's yet put out a credible narrative to explain why perhaps we're misunderstanding pieces of this or what her kind of side of the story is if you will. until she does that she's got to get ahead of the story. right now behind the story and very reactive. to john's point, there isn't a -- if i were advising her, put it all out there, go the extra mile now and let it all go and tell everybody -- >> they don't do that though.

they've never done that. >> i think -- but i think if they want to break from the story line that's surrounds them she in to do that. >> a couple of hillary clinton supporters very close to her reached out to me and offered to be on the show and i just said no. we'd like to talk to her. >> if she wants to talk she can talk. we don't need hacks coming on. >> not hacks. >> no, hacks. i don't know who you'vin talking to, but they're sending out hacks saying stupid things that are insulting to all of us, in includeing democrats. there you go. >> okay. >> try to be supportive of her, but -- >> not that much. >> not that much. >> the white house is kind of sort of behind her but not in a full-throated way. >> no way. no way. >> the state department -- >> no way. the white house left her hanging. >> no one strong a strong voice, including her own, advocating on her behalf. >> let me just say, the white house is behind her in the same way chris christie was behind

mitt romney right before the election. >> saying -- >> you can say you were there, but it's a bless your heart, because you know what? the white house gsh- >> have to go -- >> the white house is really upset as well that she didn't abide by the rules. >> let me put you on the spot. you're hillary clinton. sit down with me. what should you say? >> i messed up. >> she hasn't given people -- >> i messed up. you know what? i did something in an abundance of caution i shouldn't have done and i really regret that i did it. i knew that colin powell had his own private e-mails, that other secretaries of state before me -- >> but you broke regulation. >> i didn't understand at the time that -- >> don't you know you're feeding into a narrative of secrecy? the whole clinton thing? >> i am and i understand that we're in a new century. it's a new time and i guarantee people that if they support me in 2016 they won't see a lot of the things they saw in the 1990s. >> what about transparency? >> i'm going to be the most

transparent candidate, blah blah, blah. >> that wasn't that hard. >> take all the e-mail not just the 55,000 take all of them -- >> she needs to have the server and say, here's the server. i'm turning it all over to the state department. all of it. i'm not going to have my people give -- i'm turning it over to them. i have no control over it anymore, and it's all in the state department's hands. >> and because i worked for the government and i was the secretary of state, this is yours. >> okay. >> guys really quickly. we've got a hit we've got to go to. i want to talk about this -- >> we'll review this. >> a justice department finding, but let's go ahead and skip ahead, because i think we have stephanie waiting at laguardia. we're going to do this story, and we're just going to kind of shuffle it around a bit. guys if you're at home free-form jack. take off your miles davis, by the way -- >> department report. okay. >> charlie mingis of the table. >> very close call add new york's laguardia airport. a delta flight out of atlanta with 125 passengers onboard

veered off the runway during its landing thursday. the plane slammed through a chain-link fence and crashed into an embankment. you can see it came to a stop feet way from an icy bank. the runway was plowed minutes before and pilots reported positive conditions for a landing. using an inflated chute, passengers slid on to the runway. let's bring in nbc news stephanie gosk at laguardia with the very latest. stephanie what more can you tell us? >> reporter: hey, good morning, mika. we're in college point queens just across the bay from laguardia. we're not allowed on the tarmac to see the plane but at the next best thing vantage point across the bay. for those not familiar with the airport, just how much water there is around laguardia. it is a notorious airport -- >> see, it's cold out there.

>> reporter: it's freezing. >> it is horrible. >> i hope you're getting extra pay this morning, stephanie. i'm sorry. go ahead. >> reporter: i appreciate your sensitivity, joe. thank you very much. let's try this again. this airport is notorious among pilots as being a difficulty place to land. short runways. all of that water, and in bad weather it only gets worse. it's going to be something investigators are going to look closely at today. also, you know in that weather, the driving snow could that have played a factor? but the head the executive of the port authority said just before this plane landed two other planes landed and said their brakes were actually working okay and that the runway had om just been plowed. we were out here yesterday, talked to a lot of passengers who had just gotten off the plane. pretty shaken. actually a lot of them surprisingly calm, given what they had been through. i think there was a lot of surprise. they said some of them the landing felt totally fine at first, and then when the plane began to skid and hit the

grassened started to bump they realized just how things had gone wrong and got off the plane realized how close they were to actually falling into the water. >> all right. stephanie, thank you. a lot of good things in what she said. steve rattner -- >> stephanie, get warm now. thank you so much. for coming out on such a cold day. >> reporter: my apologies. >> no, no. we wanted people to know how cold it was. >> and short runways. it's notorious at laguardia and been an issue. has it not? >> the runways are short but there are strict rules you have to do -- >> less room for error. >> yes. less room for error, no question. look, it's not like flying into aspen, colorado, or some of the more tricker airports in america. >> how could this happen? the two planes in front, had no problem landing? when you land -- can't you -- other than using brakes can't you use reverse thrust? a couple of things to do to stop this? >> i landed tuesday night there

was also a snowstorm, and the plane -- two planes ahead of us said braking action was good. plane ahead of us says braking action was really poor. you land and you're prepared noor. use your thrust reversers, not so much brakes and the braking action was pretty good. the point being the braking action can go up and down depend depending on the storm and what's going on out there. >> lucky break there, and snowstorms coming in like that should they stop all traffic going into laguardia? >> it's a judgment call. this happens so rarely and there are so many planes that land in storms. planes have very sophisticated braking systems. anti-lock brakes. >> how do you think this happened? are you surprised -- let me ask it this way. are you prized that happened with all the sophisticated braking devices they have with the thrusters? are you surprised this happened? >> not totally. everyone once in a while nature overcomes man, so to speak, and even the best systems are not going to work if it's really icy. the plane will skid. and it does happen from time to time. >> so obviously -- very icy.

stephanie gosk couldn't breathe. the snowstorm -- >> but in the great scheme of life, right? this plane got away from you, but nobody was hurt. >> a philosopher king this morning. in the great scheme of life -- >> daddy, what else happened? >> i was out too late last night. >> no. jesus, he has no idea how late it is. >> the bigger point is obviously it is the safest way to fly and once in a great while things happen. >> once in a great while things happen and remember that this plane got off the runway all of these terrible thing koss have happened, but because of various other safety measures the way the airport's constructed and so on everybody got off the plane safe. still ahead on "morning joe," moments away from the big monthly jobs report. live to wall street for the numbers, plus drivers stranded for hours and hours and hours and hours, after a reported two-day snowstorm hits kentucky. governor stephen ba shear joins us to discuss his state's response and controversy surrounding ucla this morning

after a student running for judicial board faced opposition simply because she is jewish. >> can you believe that story? >> no, i can't. >> they actually -- she went before the board and they interrogated her for 30 minutes on whether her being a jew would -- >> this is a tease. >> would allow her to be able to fairly look at issues that came before the student board. >> don't tell it now. we'll be right back buy that. >> no. the story is i'm serious about this. the story is -- why ucla and why their chancellor and why the board of regents haven't come out more aggressively on this story? >> we'll be right back. >> you know why? because she's jewish. >> we'll be right back. >> greatest tease of all-time. >> no. it's the truth.

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the story in today's "new york times," a ucla sophomore named rachel beda was at her confirmation hearing for the student council's judicial board. well, that's exciting. >> that is exciting. >> a good day. >> and a campus leader. >> wonderful. so fellow students on the council began to question her about her faith. >> this is right. >> the hearing one of the members asked her "given that you were a jewish student -- >> read it. given you are a jewish student, very active in the jewish community, how do you see yourself being able to maintain an unbiased view? this is not in germany in 1936. i'm dead serious. this is in los angeles in 2015. for the next 40 minutes -- >> the student council entered into a debate about rachel's faith and the bias it could

cause. >> incredible. >> just tell her she has to wear a patch when she works around campus a star of david. >> first rejected but after the urging of a faculty advisers unanimously put her on the board. >> this shouldn't really be a surprise. any semitism has been accepted on college campuses. certainly up at columbia for a long time and their middle east study programs some of the things that have been said about jews, about israel has been confounding. here's -- here is the scandal. all right? students are bigots sometimes. students do things they shouldn't do. the chancellor calls this "a teaching moment." a learning moment i think he said. if this had been any other race any other creed. >> i was about to say. >> the students would have been

suspended, they would have been kicked off -- can you imagine? i want to ask this question. what if these students did this to a black student? >> i was -- that's what i was thinking, and if -- let's not think it. let's say it. >> well -- >> and if they said because you're black do you think you can handle your position fairly? >> i'm getting hot. >> every student that asks that question would be suspended immediately, and kicked off campus. i would like to know why ucla hasn't done the same to these students that ask these questions. everybody involved up and down the line should be brought before the chancellor and if the chancellor doesn't step forward and do this he should be fired immediately. >> okay. >> this is not nazi germany 1935. this is america, 20 -- mike barnicle barnicle, can you believe this? >> how did these -- >> show this woman's picture. >> how do these students get into ucla to begin with.

check out this paragraph. the council student council, in the meeting that took place february 10th voted first to reject her nomination with four members against her. then at the prodding of a faculty adviser who point ud out that belonging to jewish organizations was not a conflict of interests, the students revisited the question and unanimously put her on the board. >> i feel like you're reading about a different country. >> how did they get into school to begin with? you know what? the bigger question also is -- >> at a different time. >> what culture is going on not only at ucla but at a lot of major colleges across america? >> it's a -- it's in the story. >> what are these students being taught in class, and why do they feel that they can ask a young woman who's a jew whether she can be a contributing member of this organization because she's a jew? >> again -- >> you got to step back further than that which is what are they doing talking about her

faith at all? >> go ahead, steve. >> at times puts this in a broader context. this is not an isolate eade vent. what they say is the session served to spotlight what appears to be a surge of hostile sentiment directed against jews at many campuses in the country, often a by-product of animosity towards the policy of israel. this is one of many campuses where the student council passed on a second try and after fierce debate a resolution supporting the boycotts devestment and sanctions movement aimed at pressuring israel. >> right. and that's really in part where this comes from. >> but it's a broader -- >> sanctioned -- it's been sanctioned for you know, 20 30shgs years. 30 years. >> but seems to be getting worse at the moment. >> it is getting a lot worse, and we commend the "new york times" for finding the story and putting it out there, and, again, i want to know what the chancellor of ucla what the people that give money to ucla the taxpayers of the state of california, what the board of regents in california are going to do about this.

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exactly. that's true. legendary actor harrison ford is recovering after the vintage world war ii plane he was flying crashed near santa monica. according to federal investigators his single engine ryan aircraft lost power shortly after takeoff and he was trying to return to the airport. ford said to have suffered injuries to the head but alert when taken to the hospital and is expected to fully recover. he's an accomplished flyer but had another hard landing in a helicopter in 1999 and actually talked about that inside the actor's studio. >> i understand you own some airplanes. what do you got? >> i got an aviat husky, a foreign two-seat tail dragger, a

havoline beaver like the one in "six days seven nights." a different one. i have a bonanza b-36 tc and cessna 206 and i used to have a helicopter. aisle have another one soon. >> what happened to your helicopter? >> it -- it broke. [ laughter ] >> he's not -- this is the real indiana jones. >> i broke it. >> joining us now editor-in-chief of hollywood life dotcom bonnie fuller. good to have you on the show. >> yes. >> can i just tell you, thank god you're here because when this happened i brought the boys here because my e-mail was going wild. joe was so worried about "star wars." >> he panicked. >> he lost it. >> harrison ford talking about harrison ford. my 6-year-old, all of my boys huge "star wars" fans. right before the accident happened my 6-year-old walked in and said can we watch "raiders

of the lost arc." he's remarkable. >> he's very happy to have the news harrison's okay but also harrison has already finished filming "star wars," "star wars 7." it's in the can. but he hurt himself on that set, too. >> right. >> apparently some a door hydraulic door came off, something they were working on and broke his leg. >> yeah. the falcon apparently. >> a big scare for lucas film though. anybody whose worked on his franchises because he's got such an incredible career. so much he's offered. >> incredible career and an incredible legacy, and perhaps future, because i think there's more "raiders" films -- >> right. >> talked about at least. >> right. >> the thing is though he's such an experienced pilot that apparently what he did was incredibly difficult and he pulled it off miraculously because that kind of a plane can flip just like this if you're not careful, when something goes

wrong, and he missed about eight trees to land in this small space. >> this was his thing. planes. he liked them. >> and harrison the -- that he has a big future in these franchise movies obviously, he's well known for those thing, but trying to think when the last time we had a harrison ford movie where he made a big mark big box office not related to one of the historic franchises. when would that have been? >> he had a couple of sort of suspense thriller movies. >> yeah. >> i can remember one where his wife was kidnapped. but you know -- >> right. >> in paris. right. and that was a big hit. and but you know i don't think that he's really compelled to make a lot of movies these days. >> he's probably "air force one" actually. >> that's right. a great memory. >> the first one -- >> he does. >> 20 years old, right? >> the first one? >> something like that. >> what's interesting, he always chooses the negative cynical. >> i'm not being cynical. >> how many actors have there

been who have only had the opportunity to be not in just one iconic series "star wars," but two? "raiders of the lost arc"? >> and we ended up seeing seeing the last crusade last night while this news was breaking. he really is. just a great actor. one of the -- i think one of the best summer blockbuster actors of the past 30 40 years. >> well, joe. it's okay. bonnie fuller is here to tell you, it is okay. >> and you know chewbacca is very happy that he's okay. >> thank god. >> because he was actually tweeting last night. that he was very worried about his friend. >> all right. i follow your tweets. not chewbacca. all right. thank you, bonnie fuller. great to have you. >> thank you bonnie. >> come back. we're going to change gears now and talking about this earlier. you would never make it through this. yesterday's storm caused a huge mess at airports but also on the roads. >> oh, boy. >> particularly in kentucky. >> oh, boy. >> where thousands of drivers were stranded in their vehicles for hours. at one point, 40 miles of the

road was covered with cars interstate 65. some drivers said thursday afternoon they had been stuck in the same spot since 8:00 p.m. on wednesday. officials now fear warming temperatures will lead to flooding. joining us now on the phone, kentucky's governor steve bashir. governor, thanks for joining us. how did it get to the point where people were stuck on the roads for that long? that's definitely dangerous. >> well it's certainly dangerous, and you know there are only two things we can't control from that standpoint. it's the weather and how people drive, and we just got hit with the perfect storm of first rain which, of course kept us from pre-treating the roads, and then sleet and then two feet of snow within about 12-hour period. then you had semis jackknifing, you had people getting stuck and then abandoning their cars and you know it doesn't take long on an interstate for it 20to really be backed up. so for the last 36 hours our state police national guard and

transportation people have basically been involved in hand-to-hand combat with the weather. clearing foot by foot and having to push cars out of the way to clear a path, and we have traffic moving but it moves slowly and then of course another semi will jackknife somewhere down the road. it's a mess. >> mika, i would be a lot more judgmental living in the north but for the fact on the parkway on sunday night and it was -- a parking -- literally a parking lot for two hours. this happened but in kentucky i would think where you're not used to getting the salt out, you know six, eight time as winter, this really had to be particularly difficult for a state like kentucky who's not prepared for this. >> did you have to do any rescue operations? >> well, we've had the national guard and our teams out, and we take people from abandoned cars or from cars that they need to get out of they've run out of gas. we take them to centers. so we've been doing that. fortunately, we haven't had any serious health issues from those

backups. but obviously, people are frustrated. i don't blame them. i mean if i'd been sitting out there 10 12shgs, 12 hours, i'd be angry too. we're going to win the battle slowly, the fact is but the weather is now below zero here for the day, but by tomorrow it will be up in the 30s and 40s, and so in the next two days or so hopefully, we're out of this. >> okay. governor stephen bashir thank you. good luck with all of that. we're going to clip along here, because february's jobs numbers were just released and cnbc's dominic chu has results. what are they? >> mika what we got, better than expected jobs report. non-farm payrolls coming in at 295,000. rae created 295,000 jobs this past month in february. expectations were for a 240,000 job gain. the unemployment rate also falls to 5.5%.

5.5%. expectation, again, was for about 5.6%. last month it was 5.7. so the unemployment rate is improving. also, average hourly earnings growing about 1/10 of 1% last month. slightly below expectations. economists looking for a 0.2% range. they did not come out on time because of weather delays and concerns in washington, d.c. as we go through the report it looks at first blush a better than expected report. also january was revised down. that was the only thing we saw there. 239,000 jobs in january, we thought before it was 257,000, guys. back to you. >> dominic, thank you very very very much. >> john heilemann, look at 5.5% almost 300,000 jobs added. there doesn't appear to be -- you know there's usually a gray cloud hanging over it.

unemployment rate goes down because participation is down. here almost 300,000 jobs added. this is a strong month. >> it's a strong month and we've been on a pretty good roll now for quite a while and it creating interesting political implications for a republican party return against the obama economy for a long time pap republican running for president, figure out how to calibrate a message if there's going to be a strong economy through to november 2016. >> mike talking about wages, wages, wages for some time nap actually is a really important issue. when the see the number shrink you see more companies like walmart saying we'll have to pay our people more money. >> absolutely. >> purting pressure across the economy, because finally, finally there's a tightening labor market and people are going to get paid more. >> two huge signs of recovering kmip are one, pay raises that walmart and other retailers are giving employees in order to keep good employees. the other thing, go past any home depot parking lot, it's more full today. >> packed. >> than it has been in the past -- >> and as a republican, i will say, it's great news that walmart is deciding they have to

raise -- >> i love it. >> -- the wages because of pressure from the market. instead of the federal government saying the economy's bad we're going to make you -- it's just -- >> other companies are following suit. we'll do a segment on that. up next the media executive saying, sorry, in a very public way to the mothers that she worked with. >> this is a fascinating story. >> it's fascinating and really sheds light on -- on something that people are afraid to say. i think she's very brave. that apology is now going viral. we'll be right back with that.

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that's different now that you're a woman? >> well i just was completely unaware of you know a lot of just the strains and stresses and sort of -- that mothers deal with on a daily basis, and you know we value women -- we value everybody based on sort of the hours they can spend in an office and for mothers it's very, very hard to compete on that level essentially. so, you know we don't value them on their work output. so mothers are incredibly productive. the women i want in the piece now the executive of my company that i co-founded and awesome. shows me so much about time management, how to get things done. >> what you learned, you should have looked at her work instead of the pictures of her kid? >> exactly. >> and use that as a judgment? >> yes. >> because kids add, they don't subject, sometimes, to value. >> of course. and essentially, your priorities. >> yeah. >> so focused on making a good life for them, that, of course you're going to work hard and, you know --

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hey, with us now the multitalented actor, director author and musician, david duchovny. david, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> and not only author best-selling author. how crazy is that?

huh? >> it's surreal. it's like a -- i come from a, my father was writer. so it's like a fantasy, but i can say, best-seller. i'm having it framed. a little piece of paper and thank goodness i was like number 16. they have that little asterisk sales indistinguishable from 15 or i wouldn't have made the list. >> fantastic. it's huge. i want to talk about creativity genius and you always wonder where it comes from. paul mccartney had a dream when he wrote "yesterday." came oust at scrambled eggs. others get from strained sources. what about you? as an actor, author now as a musician? where's it come from for you? >> you know i've been thinking about this as i've been writing. i see my kids and they've got the phone, and all of the information they need is on the phone. >> uh-huh. >> and for me, creativity is where you throw you throw a bunch of stuff that you've learned, and it sits in your

brain, rather than sitting in the phone. and as it marinates in your brain it comes up with new connections and this new kind of amalgamation of things is born. so i worry actually about the future of that kind of creative creativity creativity, because this phone is now the brain and you don't actually have to hold on to anything. here, i'm calling this book a phone. it's not. here in my pocket i've got all the answers. >> and i don't want to sound like old men, but -- >> already i am. >> we are. i've written hundreds of songs. >> right. >> two or three of them maybe even good but i -- i realize that if i had a phone an ipad at 12, 13, 14. >> you wouldn't have made any music. >> instead of going down in my basement, because i'd just broken up with yet another girl who hated me i wouldn't sit there and slog through three hours of lyrics trying to figure out a melody. i would just go on the phone. it really does i'm afraid it does short-circuit the creative process.

>> i think it's going to be a different kind of creativity. i think every technological add mansement will demand a different kind of creativity, like television movies even books. interesting also to me is that there's all of this discussion about violence and sex in movies and television, all that stuff and whether or not it leads to more violence's in the 19th century, when the novel became the popular form of entertainment. >> right. >> the novel was the movies of its day. because people said, oh my god. they're writing about regular people doing regular things. this is horrible. this is going to lead to people doing the things that they're reading about in these novels. now this thing we kpaul a novcall a novel considered high culture that started -- the phones they'll figure out a way it will about new type of creativity. >> do you think you were born with a creative impulse? is it something that you learn? >> i think we all are. >> do you remember a moment you said, this is what i want to do? i don't want to be a banker an accountant.

i don't want to be a lawyer. i want to create? >> you know as i was growing up i just wanted to play sports and figured that's creative in another way. physically creative. you don't know the end point. it's all improvisation. so i think i came from just liking not knowing what was going to happen. and i think that creativity is something like that. you just don't know you know. you're making it up. i like to make things up. >> of all the things you've done, what are you the most proud of as an artist where you sit back and you look back and go okay. wait a second. i don't know where that came from. could have been a flash of genius. that's a lot better than i even thought it was at the time. >> right. >> is there a moment is there a show? is there a performance? >> there's -- there's a few that -- i mean holy cow would be one of those. just, i don't know where it came from. kind of came out, and it's almost like you don't want to take responsibility for it. it's like -- well you know i

don't know. i don't know how -- >> you don't know where that came from? >> no. i don't know how that happened it happened so quickly. the music, because i never was a musician. i'm amazed and proud of that. and then the movie that i wrote and directed was very important to me. so -- you know it doesn't matter whether -- it's not so much like the success of it or the critical commercial success of it it's really the experience of doing it that stays with me. so those would be three things. >> you're like a renaissance man. what's next? the pan flute? what are you going to do? nuclear fusion? >> thinking of doing a little nuclear fusion. why not? why thieve toleave it to the experts? what i always say. >> thank you for doing this. greatly appreciated. all right. we're back in a minute. in one year 5.6 million hospital workers helped perform 26.6 million surgeries deliver 3.7 million babies

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welcome back to "morning joe." what we learned today. i light-heartily learned today, i found out if you're a jew on the campus of ucla you can be discriminated against and interrogated just because of your faith and the family were you born sboonchts that'sinto. >> that's not light-hearted. >> and the chancellor saying it's just a treatable moment. good luck with that. treat jewish students the same way we treat everybody else.

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