this sunday, hillary's e-mail trail. why did the secretary of state go around the government and set up a private e-mail system? and could the controversy damage her presidential ambitions? plus, politics. >> i've been to iowa where my dad lost and i've been there when he won. i like the winning part better to be honest with you. >> jeb bush makes his case to republicans in iowa. our new poll explains why he has big problems with conservatives. also, 50 years after bloody sunday. >> what they did here will reverberate through the ages. >> "meet the press" goes to selma to see what has changed and what hasn't in half a century. and bullying at school and in politics.

former pitcher curt schilling and missouri senator claire mccaskill on how a toxic situation can turn tragic. and how it should be stopped. i'm chuck todd. joining me to provide insight and analysis this morning are jonathan martin of "the new york times ," kathleen parker of "the washington post", the cook political report's amy walter and manu raju of politico. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. and good morning. it is the kind of story that has a lot of people here in washington, democrats and republicans shaking their heads and saying here we go again. we learned this week that hillary clinton went around the government and set up a private e-mail system when she took over as secretary of state. well, last night at a meeting of the clinton global initiative, she didn't address the controversy. in an interview with cbs, president obama did, saying he only learned about the story this week. >> the policy of the administration is to encourage

transparency. that's why my e-mails from blackberry that i carry around to all those records are available and archived and i'm glad that hillary is instructed that those e-mails that had to do with official business need to be disclosed. >> what you didn't hear there was the defense of the decision, the initial decision by secretary clinton to set up this private system. well, the controversy has glabed headlines all week, playing into perceptions of the clinton existed for a long time, that they play by their own set of rules. >> hillary clinton, a bit of a scandal right now. >> another scandal for hillary clinton. >> future president hillary clinton may have to pardon former secretary of state hillary clinton. >> clinton's only public comment to quell the firestorm over her private e-mail system came wednesday on twitter, quote, i want the public to see my e-mail. i asked state to release them. they said they will review them

for release as soon as possible. clinton turned over 55,000 pages of e-mails to the state department in december. and according to aides, that's 90% of all e-mails she sent. critics say it was left to her and her staff to decide what was released and that may have been the point. meanwhile the e-mail story is playing into every negative stereotype about the clintons and their supporters that they follow the letter of the law, but not its spirit. >> nobody has disagreed with me as a lawyer that what she did was lawful, lawful. now all the what ifs suppose that, that's not fact. that's speculation. >> but the story plays into a narrative that when it comes to transparency, the clintons drag their feet. >> late tonight, senator alfonse d'amato announced that clinton's billing records from the rose law firm long sought by his committee were miraculously discovered yesterday in the white house. >> i, like everyone else, would like to know the answer about how those documents showed up after all these years.

>> during the 2008 election then senator obama's campaign called clinton one of the most secretive politicians in america. >> releasing records and transparency in terms of tax returns for example, it has to do with us making sure that we are transparent and accountable and open to the public. >> most recently, the clinton foundation has been dogged by stories about foreign donors. in 2007, it was democrats including hillary clinton herself, attacking bush administration officials for using a private e-mail system operated by the republican national committee. >> our constitution is being shredded. we know about the secret wiretaps. we know about the secret military tribunals the secret white house e-mail accounts. >> for now don't expect e-mail controversy to hurt hillary clinton with democrats or to spark a truly contested democratic primary. but it does mean we can expect the current active congressional investigations like the select committee on benghazi to

continue through november 2016. >> i would like to be able to represent to you at some point that we have all the documents responsive to our request, but frankly when she is the keeper of the records and the custodian of the records, that's going to be a challenge. >> joining me to discuss this issue, the hillary e-mails and many foreign policy challenges facing the country including threats posed by iran and isis is democratic senator dianne feinstein vice chair of the senate intelligence committee. senator feinstein, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you, chuck. >> i want to get back to a bunch of foreign policy issues. let's start with the e-mail situation. in 2011, there was a memo sent out with secretary clinton's signature on it warning and she didn't write it we found out later, warning of avoid conducting official department business from your personal e-mail accounts for national security reasons. you had your own high profile issues with the cia and disclosure issues. do you see a problem with how this was done perception wise? >> no, not yet i don't because

as i understand it, the regulations were unclear and there is no specific law. in november of last year, four months ago, the president in fact, signed a law and that law said that if you use your personal e-mail and there government material on it that government material must be transferred within 20 days. that in itself said the situation isn't clear. and i think what has to happen is it has to be cleared up in a specific legal policy because different secretaries of state have done different things. >> we know secretary powell had his own personal e-mail account and so there is a difference there. what would you like secretary clinton to do to clear this up? >> well, actually, what i would like is for her to come forward and say just what the situation is because she is the preeminent political figure right now. she is the leading candidate, whether it be republican or

democrat, for the next president -- to be the next president. and i think that she needs to step up and come out and state exactly what the situation is. you know, some people think, well, she had a server in her -- i think at this point, from this point on, the server, the silence is going to hurt her. >> i want to jump to national security here. you and i were talking before the program started, this washington post story, mike morell at a new york police terrorism conference and here is what he said about the current situation of terrorism going forward. he said this, this is long-term. my children's generation and my grandchildren's generation will still be fighting this fight, referring to isis and al qaeda and perhaps another name in ten years. are you as pessimistic as he is. >> i am. i think this is going to go on and on and on until the new generations who are the would be fighters come to the conclusion that the cruelty, the brutality and the savagery of this group

does not befit their participation. then i think the situation begins to change. secondly, i think the united states should pass a resolution to authorize the use of force without a time limit, clear up the enduring operation, no enduring operation language that is in the -- >> meaning don't constrain the executive branch on the number of troops you might use. >> well on special operations, on counterintelligence, on logistics, on a number of different things where the united states -- >> you don't worry it comes with a blank check? >> well, not necessarily. what we see is of course the iranian military taking a major role now. i wish we saw the saudis there. but we don't. and one of the problems for sunni nations i think, is because isil is a sunni group

how much should they participate? well, they have to participate or they're going to lose in the region because this is a very formidable force in terms of taking land and holding it. >> you know, you bring this point up, who -- i'm trying to -- sometimes i'm trying to figure out who are our allies. this week the leader of al nusra was killed on thursday in an assad air strike. you brought up the issue of, you could argue among the most important military allies to the iraqi government now is iran. iran, not necessarily a full fledged ally in the united states. whose side -- who is on our side and whose side should we be on? we have aside fighting al nusra. this is why we seem to be in a box, right? >> chuck, this points out another thing. we need russia and iran's help in moving assad out. that has to come. you cannot settle syria and leave assad in power. the degree to which we can work

in out diplomatically is important, and, of course, that's where the nuclear agreement comes in because as i look at it, the nuclear agreement could be a real sea change for iran. >> do you think we have to do a nuclear agreement to get their cooperation on syria? >> i think we have to do a nuclear agreement to protect from a breakout. and i think that, you know, a prime minister netanyahu did here was something that no ally of the united states would have done. i find it humiliating, embarrassing and very arrogant because this agreement is not yet finished, to trash it before you have the final period on it before you know what it is i think it is a huge error in judgment for our number one ally in that area. >> very quickly, senator menendez is facing potentially federal charges. if he does, can he continue to serve in the senate and be -- >> well, look my heart fell when i saw that. i don't wish this upon any

senator. and particularly somebody that has pulled himself up by his bootstraps and reached a real kind of pinnacle in the senate. so i just wish him well. i don't know what the facts are. i hope he can, as they say in the jargon, beat it. >> so you think he should continue to serve? >> i'm not going to make a judgment because i don't know what the facts are. >> okay, senator feinstein, thank you. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. now i'm joined from the other side of the aisle republican senator and likely 2016 presidential candidate lindsey graham. senator graham, i want to pick up on a point we just left off with senator feinstein and that is -- in a potential agreement with iran on a nuclear deal. the fallout of not getting a deal and i know people say what the deal is it is -- if we don't strike a deal with iran, do you worry about iran becoming more rogue? >> well, here's what i worry the most about locking in place a

need for infrastructure that will lead to a north korean outcome where you give them an industrial size enrichment capability. the u.n. fails to contain it. and when they say they're not trying to build a bomb i think they're lying. so i much rather not have a deal than lock in place what would be a eventually a north korean outcome. so a bad deal is off the table, no deal is better than a bad deal. people say that. i believe it. >> now, but when it comes to iran, how important do you believe iran is right now in the fight against isis in iraq? >> well, i think they're important in destabilizing the region. they're not helping because of freedom or democracy or anything else. they just toppled the government in yemen by supporting the -- the shia militia on the ground are creating war crimes inside iraq. assad is the puppet of iran. they're not an ally to anybody in the region. no sunni arab state sees iran as an ally and i certainly don't.

>> but right now is iraq our ally? and if iraq is our ally, iraq considers iran an ally, do they not? >> who is our enemy? isil is our enemy, i ran isran is our enemy. >> straightforward, iran is our enemy? >> yes iran is our enemy. they're a cold blooded cruel regime that killed american soldiers in iraq and afghanistan. they're the leading state sponsor of terrorism. they have destabilized the region. they're building icdms. they tried to create a nuclear program, not a peaceful nuclear power plant. they're the enemy of us. they're an evil regime. the president and the foreign minister are moderates, masquerading as trying to be moderates when they're not. this is not a moderate regime. if they get more money, chuck, from sanction relief what would they do with it? build schools and hospitals? no they with advance their religious cause. they're the root cause of this problem in the middle east as much as isil. i fear them more than i fear

isil. i fear iran -- >> you fear iran more than isis? >> absolutely. iran with a nuclear weapon iseye nightmare for us. the iranians are a regime that cannot be trusted and at the end of the day, congress should approve any deal between us and iran and i believe there growing bipartisan support that sanctions should not be lifted unless congress agrees. >> i want to -- since you're potentially running for president, i'll run through a few other issues here, since you have to be nimble on your feet now that you're a presidential candidate. unemployment rate dropped to 5.5%. lowest unemployment rate is may 2008. unemployment fell in every state in 2014 for first time since 1984. you and other republicans had doom and gloom about obama's economic policies in nine and ten. i understand we have still some

wage issues to go. but do you acknowledge that some of this rhetoric was wrong and progress has been made? >> i think that we do have stagnant wage growth and i think the labor participation rate is an all time low. so if your argument is we're on the road to recovery no, i don't agree with that at all. >> so you don't believe any of these improvements are good? >> i think -- it is always good to have lower unemployment, but it is never good to be underemployed never good to have the most number of people in the history of america not looking for work anymore and i think the structural problems created by obama care are yet to come and in many ways the epa regulation on carbon, if it goes into effect, and drive up energy costs. and one reason we're enjoying low energy prices, gas prices, is because the arabs are trying to drive iran into the ground. it has got nothing to do with supply and demand. the sunni states that have oil resources are trying to keep oil prices low to hurt russia and

iran. >> we have not heard from senate republicans on wanting to open their own version of an investigation into libya or the benghazi situation. does anything that happened this week with secretary clinton's e-mail situation make you rethink the decision by senate republicans to -- whether to participate in an investigation? >> i have confidence that trey gowdy will get to the bottom of this. at the end of the day what i want is what any other cabinet member during the time she served did they have a private e-mail account? >> do you have a private e-mail address? do you have a private e-mail address? >> i don't e-mail -- no, you can have every e-mail i've ever sent. i've never sent one. i don't know what that makes me but -- really, this is big in this regard. did she communicate on behalf of clinton foundation as secretary of state? did she call the terrorist attack in benghazi a terrorist attack in real time? i want to know. and the one thing i'll never agree to is let the state department tell us what e-mails we should receive or let her and

her team tell us some independent group should do that. >> senator graham, on the campaign trail in new hampshire, iowa yesterday and watching for your formal announcement soon. thank you for coming back on "meet the press." time for a little pam. we have jonathan martin kathleen parker. amy walter, manu raju. back to secretary clinton. what about this situation. the defense here for her from her spokespeople is she didn't just follow the letter, she followed the spirit of the law. >> we are finding, it feels like the obama administration is saying either they weren't informed of this or maybe they just put blinders on. >> this isn't about the e-mails. honestly, your piece set this up as well. hillary clinton's time at the state department was her opportunity to show she was above politics, she was a different candidate from 2007, she could be a change agent, she could be a happy candidate in 2016 with foreign policy experience, that nobody else had. and instead whether we're

talking about e-mails, or whether we're talking about foundation gifts from foreign companies or corporations, it feeds into this narrative that she isn't a change agent. more of the same. and that's the bigger problem going forward. if you're a republican admaker and can't make a good attack ad on this, you should be sued for malpractice. >> interesting to hear senator feinstein make it clear, you know what, she didn't want to defend her she wanted her defending her. and this is what you hear from washington democrats which is wait a minute you go out there and defend this yourself, don't make us. >> she's getting no cover right now. there is a complete void a skeletal campaign operation right now. when there is a void, what will fill the void? questions about her conduct and questions about her judgment. the longer she waits to run a campaign the longer -- the more questions are going to fester and this will eventually hurt her increasingly. the timing right now is very difficult for her. if she were to come out now and

announce her campaign this is going to overshadow any sort of announcement. >> she's going to have to say something before the announcement about this, especially when you have dieanne feinstein on tv having to step up. a strategist this week said we don't know what to say and don't know where to go for information, very frustrating. >> kathleen what about with the pushback from clinton defenders who say jeb bush set up his own e-mail system, he is only selectively disclosed what he wants to disclose. all true facts. why is that any worse than what secretary clinton did? >> i think it is because as the others have mentioned, hillary clinton, the clintons have this sort of -- their default position seems to be secrecy. reminds me of florida squirrels, you know, not going to be a winter. there is not going to be a food shortage but they're going to hide the nuts anyway. >> that's the thing. eventually this stuff -- if it

is not exculpatory, it is not damaging. >> it is not damaging to the democrats. >> and they seem to just do it out of because they can. >> just because they can. i think the key word in all of this is control. the only reason you set up a private server is so that you have utter control over who reads what and when and, of course, it is not going to help the benghazi committee because they have been able to select which e-mails have been handed over. >> to amy's point too, it is not the e-mails. it is two things. it is easy to understand. but this is the challenge. americans get this. what do you mean she was using a private e-mail server instead of -- >> private e-mail server, this isn't g-mail or yahoo! >> the most damaging gaffes in political life are the ones that reinforce the narrative. why was romney saying 47% so tough on him? because it reinforced what folks thought about him already. >> either going to think she's hiding something or she has very poor

either. >> he never hides a thought. >> that's a good point to end on. thought bubbles all over the place when it comes to joe. >> there are a lot of candidates running for president on the republican side. coming up jeb bush makes his first play into iowa, a state where everyone knows his n

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is bring his flores mayida resume to talk about accomplishments. immigration and education can be rough spots for jeb bush when it comes to conservative. he talked about immigration a lot here. and he talked about things like having more border security and legal status not citizenship. that still puts him more moderate than a governor scott walker for example, but didn't shy away from it. he also had a chance to talk to some real voters take their questions he was out visiting some of those must visit spots, you know the pizza ranch truck. i heard him say he came for the pizza and as you know, chuck, when you go to the pizza ranch, you really order the chicken. jeb bush still has some work to do here. but people seemed interested to get to know him. very few nostalgic references to campaigns past in the bush family. this was about a new jeb bush trying to say he's thinking about running for president. >> anybody other than walker and bush make a positive impression on this crowd? >> reporter: well, i was

surprised to hear people say that they actually thought that chris christie had some good answers and surprisingly even some positive response for george pataki. i will tell you that scott walker had a lot of warm reception at the ag summit. >> absolutely, kelly o'donnell, nice work, thanks very much. up next, 50 years since selma. much of course has changed but there is a lot that hasn't. the great congressman john when you ache and haven't slept... you're not you. tylenol® pm relieves pain and helps you fall fast asleep and stay asleep. we give you a better night. you're a better you all day. tylenol®. heroes charge! ♪ (explosion) ♪ (explosion) ♪ (explosion) ♪

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what could be more american than what happened in this place? what could more profoundly vindicate the idea of america than playing to humble people, unsung, the downtrodden the dreamers not of high stations, not born to wealth or privilege, not of one religious tradition, but many coming together to shape their country's course. >> that was president obama at his best in what was easily one of his most powerful speeches as

president. yesterday at a ceremony to mark the 50th anniversary of the voting rights march in selma alabama, which was violently repressed by state troopers at the time. in a moment i'll bring in my interview with congressman john lewis who was seriously injured in selma that day. but first let's hear from residents of the town on what has changed and what hasn't half a century later. >> i was elected to the senate in 1983. i've been here more than 32 years. it's still two selmas. the unemployment rate for african-americans is roughly three times that of whites. but the poverty rate is roughly nine times that of whites. so there are two selmas. i don't know of a black-owned business here on main street. all the blacks go to their churches and all the whites go to their churches most of the children are in separate schools. >> we are about 98% african-american. all of our students receive free

lunch graduation rate is 80%. it is our reality right now. would i like for things to be different? of course. i know that there are predominantly african-american sectors of selma as there are caucasian sectors. but we have one walmart, one mall, so the two sides, we do are to co-habitate together in this town and i think we do that pretty well. i graduated from selma high school. it can be done. where we come from we can't change that, but question but we can change where we're going. >> i expected selma to be a shining example of democracy a shining example of nonviolence a shining example of people employed. we have not reached that. we have not even come close. born and raised in selma, running this drugstore for the last 43 years. people tell me all the time, this town is over and done with. nothing you can do to bring it back. it just makes me sad that we're perceived that way. we're making strides.

folks want things to get better in this town. i'm getting emotional. i am emotional about it. because we love each other. the majority of each other love each other very deeply. we want to see the town progress. >> just a small snapshot of selma today. we decided to dig into the archives and show you how nbc news covered the eventual successful march a few weeks later when voting right activists made it from cem why to selma to montgomery. >> reporter: the march from selma to montgomery has ended. the point has been made, the steps of the state capital have served as a forum for the negro protest in alabama against voter registration procedures which have kept him off the voting lists. >> we brought you this report to also show you this picture. this was taken after valiani was injured covering the violence that preceded the marches.

journalists too took great risks when reporting. yesterday john lewis walked hand and hand with president obama at the event in selma 50 years after he himself was badly injured in the march. earlier this week, i sat down with congressman lewis and asked him to just tell me what happened that day. >> sunday, march 7th, 1965, 600 of us attempted to walk from selma to montgomery in an orderly peaceful nonviolent fashion, to show to our country that the people of color wanted to register to vote, people were beaten, arrested and jailed from time to time. but on this day, we're walking with our backpacks, just trying to make it from selma to

montgomery. and as we get to the top of that pettus bridge, down below we see a sea of blue, alabama state troopers. we continue to walk and come within hearing distance of the state troopers. a man spoke up and said i'm major john claude of the alabama state troopers, this is an unlawful march would not be allowed to continue, i give you three minutes to disperse, return to your homes, go to your church. the young man walking beside me jose william from dr. king's organization, said, major give us a moment to kneel and pray. and he said troopers advance. and you saw the men putting on their gas masks they came toward us -- >> you were kneeling? >> we were kneeling. we were knocked down. they started beating us with night sticks. tramping us with horses. releasing the tear gas. was hit in the head by a state trooper with a night stick.

i lost consciousness. 50 years later, i don't recall how i made it back across the bridge to the little church we had left from. apparently a group literally carried me back to the church. >> perfectly understandable if you were bitter. bitter today. bitter a week later. from when it happened bitter 20 years. were you bitter? ever? >> i'm not bitter then. i'm not bitter now. >> how? >> i never became bitter. >> i mean i have to say, how? >> i grew in a movement no acceptto accept the way of love the way of nonviolence, the way of forgiveness, as a way of living and we were taught to never become bitter never to hate. so you may beat us you may jail us. you may kill some of us.

some people did get killed. >> i don't want to sound like a pessimist. i feel like 50 years later, we self-segregated as a society. we're self-segregating in different ways. not fully by race. some of it by class. but it is creating a new set of divides. do you see that? >> i see so many unbelievable setbacks at one point i thought we were moving much faster and we were being there in a matter of a short time. we still have a lot of work to do. >> how do we get past this resegregation going on? how do we get past this next set of issues? >> that must be a deliberate effort on the part of all of us in government, and private sector, especially in business, the media, academic community. we must act -- we just cannot

talk about meetings and conferences. >> but there is not a lot of action. >> i continue to serve to the young people, if you see something that is not right, fair or just, you got to do something. >> the ferguson, what happened on staten island, it brought -- it seemed to inspire a group of young people, particularly young african-americans to say, okay maybe it is time to speak out. >> well, i think those moments of what happened in ferguson, in florida and other places say to young people, we're not there yet. we must create another powerful movement of action. and you have young people coming together all over america, trying to determine where they're going and how they will go.

>> coming up a little later in the show, bullying in school and politics. former

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exchange, health care.gov should be allowed to receive subsidies under the law. a decision is not expected until june. today, we wanted to look at how the law impacted the number of insured americans and how that's changed since the law's implementation. guess what the uninsured rate is down across the board. nationally it is down nearly 3.5 points 17.3 in 2013. and now 13.8%. it is down in 49 states in the past year. let's look at some of the biggest reductions. arkansas and kentucky. the percentage of uninsured in arkansas dropped from 22.5 to 11.4%. basically in half. and kentucky, from 20.4 to 9.8. both are deep red states with high poverty rates and in 2014 both had democratic governors support of the law. like the rest of the top ten states with the biggest drop, they expanded medicaid and did one of two things either establish a state based

marketplace or ran in exchange in partnership with the federal government. and also, guess what, all but new mexico had democratic governors too in 2014. think there is not a partisan impact on this? but it is a different story in the states with the smallest drops in the uninsured rate. of the bottom ten in this category. more of a bipartisan mix. lots of republican legislative control. may notice by the way massachusetts on this map. sort of misleading. its drop is small because it had the lowest rate of uninsured for the past seven years due to something called a romney care. meanwhile, let's talk about the one state that saw an increase. it is kansas. the only state that saw an increase in the number of uninsured. it is up from 12.5% to 14.4%. kansas is among the 16 states that did not expand medicaid and only rely on the federal exchange. it would be very interesting, by the way watching this court case, if the supreme court

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and now a look at the issue of bullying and the politics of personal destruction. both in the world of politics and online. last week we brought you the tragic story of tom schweich, the state auditor in missouri running for governor, leading candidate, actually, and he took his own life after an alleged whisper campaign he was jewish got the best of him. at his funeral this week, former senator jack danforth spoke about the state of political discourse in america. >> the campaign that led to the death of tom schweich was the low point of politics. and now it is time to turn this around. so let's make tom's death a turning point here in our state. >> this isn't just about politics. at the same time we learned a former major league pitcher curt schilling who took to his blog over the weekend to call out people who wrote vile things about his daughter after he had simply posted a congratulating

message for getting a softball scholarship to college. most of the vitriol online and in politics goes unchallenged. to talk about it we have curt schilling with us and senator claire mccaskill of missouri, joining us from montgomery alabama, she participated in yesterday's selma anniversary. senator mccaskill, your home state of missouri, you were at the funeral for tom schweich, do you believe it was the politics of personal destruction that basically pushed schweich to this point of taking his own life? >> well, it was certainly a contributing factor. there was a stupid negative hurtful ad that had been run on radio the weekend before. and then combined with tom's belief that -- a political operative was -- was doing a whisper campaign about his faith. i think those contributed to obviously -- obviously he was

imbalanced because suicide is a serious issue in our society but no question that the coarseness and the negativity of our political campaign takes a toll on people, and i think people need to remember that. >> you know, i got kathleen parker with me here on the panel. this is what she wrote on thursday in the washington post. politics is a blood sport a fact that some find worthy of boasting. as we consider america has lost a good man, who is aspirational in his politics and inspirational in his life why would any decent person want to run for office? it is a question i ask myself a lot these days. >> and it is a real problem. it is one of the things that senator danforth talked about in the eulogy. if tom's life was too sensitive for politics, are we saying the only people that can hold major offices in our country have to be coarse and isn't sensitivity something we need in elected officials? honestly chuck, i think the only way this gets turned around is if voters begin to punish

candidates whose operatives or whose campaigns engage in this really playing to the cheap seats the lowest common denominator, digging dirt. we really have to have voters begin to strike back and punish the candidates that embrace it. >> as i mentioned, this isn't just about politics. curt schilling i'll bring you in here. it seems like part of the problem is the internet. makes it very easy to directly attack anybody, famous or not. you saw this happen with you. and your daughter. what do you want to take away from this situation? >> i think a significantly large portion of this problem is the internet because of the ability to -- a lot of kids think remains anonymous. i would say short of the guy called anonymous, you're not anonymous in any way, shape or form. my biggest take away, my biggest lesson for this younger generation, you put it out there on the internet it is there for the rest of your life. >> it seems like the lesson you wanted to teach these boys in

particular is go after them prosecute them if you can, or get them suspended or make them lose their scholarship, whatever it takes to set an example -- some called you being a vigilante about it, but there ray lot of us that saw what you did and said, we're glad somebody is standing up to this. >> along with the senator's situation, i think the internet and media provides one thing that they need, which is anonymity. and when they lose that most -- 99% of the people don't say the things they say or do the things they do if you know who they are. so that to me is probably the best defense. >> and it was interesting to me, you sort of -- i take it maybe before this incident, i don't know if you would have been for legislating an answer to this problem, but you seem to be wondering, maybe there has got to be something that has to be done. what do you want to see done and -- >> listen this is not the internet's fault. this is not twitter's fault or facebook's fault. these are human beings. these are people at fault. the lack of accountability that we're heading towards both, you

know in the private sector and in the government is staggering to me. and that's one of the reasons why i think you're seeing this. there aren't repercussions. there is no accountability. >> senator mccaskill can you create accountability other than you have to -- the voters should hold folks accountable. can you do anything else? >> how about a little transparency? you know, we can argue about citizens united in terms of the court case but we could still fix it by making sure that all the money the dark money that is being sent right now in politics is transparent and we know who is spending it. i still don't know who ran nasty ads against me. i don't know who paid for them. the idea that we are allowed to do our democracy behind closed doors in terms of the first amendment let's get it out there and open and pass the disclose act and make sure all this money is traceable to its source and then the candidates that are indirectly responsible could be held more accountable. >> has this meat meadeade you -- you're

a very active twitter guy. has this made you less active? >> no no. i'm not -- i haven't before and never will allow people i don't know to dictate how i live my life. it is one lesson i'm trying to make sure my kids leave my house with. >> curt schilling, senator claire mccaskill, i think we all want to see the toxicity taken out of our culture and politics. thank you both, for coming on. when we come back our endgame segment, including some of the latest [ male announcer ] you're smart about protecting your identity. but you can't control everything. it seems like every day there's another data breach, like this one in the news right now. according to a recent study, one in three consumers who received data-breach notifications became victims of identity theft.

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time now for "meet the press" endgame brought to you by boeing, where the drive to build something better inspires us every day. >> here you go. it is endgame time. i got the panel here. i got nbc wall street journal poll debuting the whole thing over the next couple of days. teaser here, jonathan martin. we asked this to measure the true strength in a republican primary of all 13 candidates that are viable candidates and we threw in a donald trump in here, which is could you picture yourself supporting this candidate, a republican primary voters, jeb bush yes, 49% no, 42%. look at the only person that had a higher no rating, three people with higher no ratings, lindsey graham at 51%, chris christie at 57%, and donald trump at 74%. these are just among republicans. but literally and we'll let you know later in the week -- wasn't

jeb bush, but he starts out with a big negative rating there of a viable candidate. the other three guys people don't talk about as viable nominees. >> nationally and in iowa. i was in iowa with jeb bush and he spoke to the ag summit and the response was fine, but it wasn't anywhere close to what some of the other folks got. his challenge there, his challenge nationally is perception. people don't know about the record in tallahassee as governor. they view him through the prism of his last name and common core and immigration reform. he's got perception problem that he has to overcome and it is going to be a real challenge for him during the course of the primary. he'll have the money to fix it but it ain't going to be easy. >> kathleen, do you think he can ever make his gubernatorial record part of the story or is it -- the last name will always trump that? scott walker, the reason why he's a co-front-runner is his gubernatorial record. conservatives say, he didn't just talk, he walked the walk and he beat labor. and that's what they -- it doesn't matter what else he says he does that.

jeb bush's accomplishments are a decade ago. >> i think he has to bring the focus back to that. i think it is awfully early. jeb bush, the name will be a problem, only for a little while. once people get to know him better, once he had a chance to speak and people hear he has ideas that are fresh and his approach is very different from his brother, for example, i think the opinion of him is going to shift, but gradually. and if you look at this, the statistics you cited jeb bush is seen as the candidate who is not too conservative and not tea party. somewhere in that middle range, which you know appeals to a lot -- he's got -- >> appeals to a lot of voters who don't vote in republican primaries. >> i hear you. let me switch gears to you to the other famous name in the race, hillary clinton. i was remiss to not point out that "saturday night live" did get into the e-mail controversy. here it is. >> what did you think my e-mails said? hi, it's hillary. i really screwed up on benghazi

today. please. i wasn't born yesterday. i was born 67 years ago and i have been planning on being president ever since. there will be no mistakes in my rise to the top if i decide to run. who knows. who knows. >> amy, no benefit of the clinton people have been skreemg at me. you guys have been saying this is about. that's why she did this. >> it's the same that we see for george bush. i'm there. there's the problem. that is going to be the issue that's going to dog both of them. i agree with kathleen that for jeb, he at least has the opportunity to put out a different image. hers is already baked in the cake. >> that's interesting. before we go there was another anniversary.

the 150th of president lincoln's second inaugural. i had to follow an actual rereading of president rereadings. i had to follow lincoln. it was like i don't understand. this guy really looked like lincoln. i hear he may have sounded like him. i don't know. >> i'm sure he did. >> the reality is if everybody read the second inaugural in congress, do you think things would be better? >> if they understood it. >> when we think times are tough here, you think back to what lincoln endured during the civil war, nothing compares. >> i always use that address in my writing classes. it shows you can show something profound in few words. >> and it's always hard to say something like that in few words. happy birthday to my wife.

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