we were beatern, tear gassed some of us was left bloody right here on this bridge. 17 of us were hospitalized that day. but we never became bitter or hostile. we kept believing that the truth we stood for would have the final say.

this city on the banks of the alabama river, gave birth to a movement that changed this nation forever. our country will never, ever be the same because of that happened on this bridge. swhak a weekend in selma. incredible group, including some republicans and a former president showing up to mark the day. good morning, everyone. itis monday, march 9th. we have mark barnacle and school of public affairs rk dor yan. and ron. good to have you all this morning. >> how it was weekend? >> running around after teenagers all weekend. how about yours? good to be here. >> how was your weekend, willie?

>> it was good. last night, the night of too many stars. an autism fund-raiser. >> yes. i love triumph. >> remember the greatest moment in the history of scarborough country. he contributed to it. >> he did? >> yeah. >> which one? >> he came out with triumph and talking comedy. carl bernstein interrupted. i went to t.j. said give me a split screen. i swear, we had a split screen of triumph going like this another thing about you democrats and bernstein is debating. this is going on five minutes. i go carl you do know you are debating a puppet. this is a puppet. >> oh i love carl. >> the best. >> amazing. >> yeah incredible. >> that was, by the way, time

life is going to put a best of scarborough country. that will allow me to be martin roast. >> beautiful. >> mike -- i gotta stop talking about that. mike has been to too many conventions. you have a good weekend? >> excellent. sat on the back porch and watched snow melt. >> what did you do? >> i was here covering the selma coverage. >> wasn't it amazing. >> it really was amazing. >> beautiful. some people took your advice. let's get there. this is incredible. the scene across the bridge and let's say the republicans decided to go. >> thank goodness. >> a couple big names. i thought it was amazing, president bush and his wife were there as well. >> yep. >> then we go to madison wisconsin, which was an

incredible parallel story to what we were seeing in selma. a city searching for answers after a police officer shot and killed an unarmed teenager over the weekend. vigil and peaceful protests held over the death of 19-year-old robinson. he was shot after a struggle in an apartment. they were called because of a man matching robinson's description jumping in and out of traffic and assaulting two people. they entered the apartment where robinson was. police say the officer was attacked when he responded. authorities say, the officer, a 12-year veteran is on paid administrative leave during an investigation. he was involved and cleared in another deadly shooting in 2007. state representative chris thai taylor was near the scene. she established a law to investigate police-involved

shootings. >> we need to give them time because we want the best product. we want the best result. we want the thorough result. we want our answers questioned. my understanding, they interviewed me thoroughly. they are in there, now, collecting the facts, doing what they need to do so we have the best most independent investigation we can get. >> it's a story we have heard too much of for too long. after the report came out last week americans just always assume the worst because of a very, very bad history. >> very bad history, without question. but there is a big difference in how the police chief of madison responded compared to the ferguson shooting. >> they have a system in place. >> the police chief went to the house of the parents and met and prayed for 45 minutes. he released the name of the

officer. there will be a thorough investigation. this is an example. there is clearly anger, grief and hurt. this is an example of how to respond appropriately to a tragedy. >> we saw the contrast between ferguson where there were some questions raised the d.o.j. raised. and in new york where we saw it on tv the next day. we said he was murdered. he was killed. yet, new york there were peaceful protests, for the most part. i think so much of it is how people respond early on and whether they think you give a damn. >> we don't have a problem, look away. that doesn't work anymore. no, not in this country. we will follow this. did you hear the news overnight from "the washington post" about isis? willie, that's fascinating stuff, isn't it? isis is looks like isis is appearing to fray and may be on

the run. >> yeah. we have "the washington post" reporting this fraying is because of a series of clashes between foreign and local fighters as well as failed attempts to recruit local citizens. they are suffering from defections and losses on the battlefield. one of the most recent setbacks in the battle for saddam hussein's hometown. they drove isis out of the town south of tikrit and killed a number of would be suicide bombers. >> i, yesterday, took jack to tennis lessons. see if we can get one out of 87 scarboroughs to hit above the net. he likes doing it. while i was there, somebody came up and asked about isis. they said how much should we be worried about isis. i'm not the person to go to. i'm shy, but i give my opinion. i said you know what? it's like a cancer but it's like a cancer that is treatable,

but ignored for a year or two. i think when we start hammering them, i think you are going to see them sort of pulling apart and fraying like the story said this morning. that's what i have been saying on air for a month. you think a lot of videos where they get more and more horrendous are out of desperation because they kept amping it up and amping it up. when you do that and there's not an end game you are trying to show you are more powerful than others think you are or you have a desperation to recruit. i'm not saying they are done. they have finally been pounded. they have finally been hit. they finally have the world focusing on them. i do think that after about six months of hammering them hard i think they are going to look like a j.v. team if we do it right away. they are not iran. >> no but they are finding ways

to make a connection. we have a pact amongst militant groups allowing them to expand their reach overseas. boko haram is pledging a allegiance to isis. they launched an offensive between boko haram and niger. they are continuing to grow online with 46,000 twitter accounts. >> let's bring in keir simmons. we really don't know what's going on internally inside the group, but we know two very dangerous groups aligned this weekend. tell us about it. >> yeah, i mean that's exactly

right. in a way, it's a counter point to what you were saying about isis weakening. this is boko haram. we remember the kidnapped schoolgirls that led to the campaign, bring back our girls. this is a very very ruthless terrorist group based in nigeria saying it has aligned itself with isis. the point you make about boko haram being under attack it's the point you were making in iraq and syria. some suggested the reason boko haram is doing this is because they are on the defensive and trying to find a way to push back. it does raise a serious issue, guys. what it puts into the frame is the way isis is spreading around the world. it's becoming a long list. i have to read it. i can't just tell you. afghanistan, lebanon, india, indonesia, pakistan, the philippines, yemen. i mean the list of places where

there are now terrorist groups, perhaps previously aligned to al qaeda now saying they are isis related growing. one question is how many more foreign fighters from the west are going to be able to get to those countries and the access they have to the west. of course the more places isis is, the more flights it has access to. that is going to be a worry for security agencies in the u.s. and europe. >> keir simmons, thank you very much. now to politics. hillary clinton is scheduled to make an appearance this afternoon at an event in new york on the united nations on women. it comes on her using e-mail. over the weekend, president obama was forced to weigh in. >> i'm glad that hillary is

instructed that those e-mails that had to do with official business need to be disclosed. >> you say you have the most transparent administration ever. >> it's true. >> how does this square with that? >> i think the fact she's going to put them forward will allow us to make sure that people have the information they need. >> what i would like is for her to come forward and say just what the situation is because she is the preeminent figure right now. she is the leading candidate, whether it be republican or democrat for the next president, to be the next president. i think she needs to step up and come out and state exactly what the situation is. i think, at this point, from this point on the silence is going to hurt her. >> mike barnicle -- sorry, go ahead. >> sources tell us not sure if it's today but she will address it head on probably this week. that should be interesting to

see if she can turn the page with her words. i'm not sure. it will be important. >> i think she needs to. if you look at those clips and see what other democrats are saying. democrats aren't circling the wagon for hillary here. >> democrats aren't. i think there's a very low level of interest among the public with regard to the e-mail the private server. but, the money involved here. if it can be traced that huge amounts of money went to the clinton foundation off an e-mail trail. >> foreign money. >> yeah the foreign money. >> on that point, ron, you wrote a column this weekend that got a lot of hillary supporters squealing. howard dean was seen to be spending his sunday going after you with a vengeance on twitter. you are like dude i have to go out and rake leaves.

i have to leave you with this. a lot of people got upset about the article. that follows up according to your sources, to what mike just said. >> yeah i told the governor who i love and covered for a long time. he's a great guy and defending his candidate and wants to get a role in the cabinet, i can't blame him for that. it would be easier to convince hillary to do the right thing than try to influence what i write. she can't solve it with words. you can't spin your way out of it. you can't intimidate your way out of this. you can't demagogue the media. i have a lot of respect for the secretary. it's a problem she can solve. >> also on your collum this weekend and follow up on your sources showing where the scandal is. it sounds like what mike said. >> it is sorry. i thought we were getting away

from what i thought was the bigger story, the idea that the clinton foundation has taken foreign money and corporate money. you know like you, i was raised in an era of watergate. you talked about woodward earlier, follow the money. i was doing reporting on it and talked to people close to the clintons. you have to follow the money. there's whispers of pay to play and stories that alluded to that. for me to be able to follow the money, for us the american people to follow the money, we have to see the e-mails. she's got to turn over that server. what dawned on me over the weekend is the two stories are connected, not because republicans connected them or mika and joe connected them or i have. it's because of hillary clinton's actions. only her actions can disconnect them. she can release the server with all her e-mails on it. that's our server, not hers. and she can have a foundation

her foundation return all foreign donations. >> i do think it's our server. >> it is. >> i thought it was interesting, the president -- >> yes. >> like we said thursday or friday, he's not going to go out of his way and be part of a cover up big or small for hillary clinton. >> the point was everyone was supposed to be transparent and use government e-mail. >> he's now saying in 2015 well basically, what he said in the interview, willie was yes, we are the most transparent. we have someone here who hasn't been transparent, but i'm glad to hear that now, you know six years later, she's saying she's going to be transparent. >> that was the message from the podium at the white house all week. they didn't come out in the beginning and cover for her. they made it clear it was her problem. it's not connected to president obama. she's got to come out and talk about this. maybe there's an explanation why

she only had private e-mail. why foreign money flowed in. we don't know. >> if you work at the state department, is your understanding that you are to follow regulation and have e-mail on a government server? if you work for her under the state department. >> listen she sent out a memo that says all state department business should not be -- you should not do any state department business on personal e-mail. she sent that memo out to ron, to every employee at the state department. an ambassador who seemed to be a bit of a run away beer truck as we say in northwest florida, an ambassador was fired, in part they said because he used personal e-mail. >> you know i have covered and admired the clintons now since the mid-'80s, when i was a statehouse reporter.

they are unlike any politicians we will see. their strengths are bigger than anybody in the business and their weaknesses can be as big as anybody in the business. this is typical. it's an ends justify the means mentality. we can play by a different set of rules. you don't have to be a republican to realize it doesn't make sense. it's not the way you run a government to have an off the books backyard in your basement server. it's not good for transparency or security and raises ethical questions we can't answer until we see the e-mails. >> there was fascinating information by people fairly supported. >> i think mike is right. a lot of people right now, are saying, whatever. don't bother me with this. we need to get wages up. we need to take care of isis et cetera et cetera. i think, the story here if there ever was a story that would stick has to do with security. you have the state department with all the safeguards and all

the tens of millions of dollars they have spent protecting their servers being infiltrated. i think, if it is shown that hillary clinton had a system that didn't have good solid, strong safeguards, and she decided to put u.s. national security at risk for the sake of her own political expediency that's a story. >> she has to put that to rest if it didn't happen. let's go to iowa. the latest poll shows a conflicted republican field over who could be their nominee. half of republican primary voters say they could see themselves voting for jeb bush but 42% can't. that is better than chris christie upsidedown by 25%. lindsey graham has more convincing to do. try e-mail sometime. 20% of voters think they could back him. over the weekend, most of the top tier of the field descended on des moines iowa answering

agricultural questions from megadonor bruce, the most closely watched, jeb bush making his debut. casey hunt was there over the weekend. >> the last time i was here was in 1980 when i got to campaign for, in my humble opinion, the greatest man alive, my dad. >> reporter: the bush family business is open again in iowa. >> i have in trying to work out my own campaign strategy. >> reporter: 35 years later, jeb bush is back this time for himself. >> i don't know how many times we ran into the bush brothers. one was a foggy night, ft. dodge, iowa 1979. >> a lot of people know me as george's boy or barbara's boy or w.'s brother. >> reporter: many have fond memories. bush tried to reintroduce

himself, this time in the spotlight. >> i'm blessed with a great family but i have been on my own journey. >> reporter: he spoke at a fund-raiser. >> we were going and blowing. >> reporter: the agriculture summit. >> we'll be cooking iowa beef and i'll make a good guacamole. >> reporter: went full hug at a pizza ranch in cedar rapids. >> i thought we were having pizza. >> reporter: highlighted his record in florida giving voters a look at how he will brand himself, a conservative not a moderate refusing to go near common core. >> state that is don't want to participate, that's fine. >> reporter: a legal status for undocumented workers. if you became president, woulds you allow the dreamers that have been allowed to stay here under

the president's order or repeal? >> we need to change the law. >> would you repeal the order? >> no we need to change the law. >> reporter: he's working to convince people he's one of them. he's willing to lose the primary to win the general. >> we need to get out of our comfort zone. go places where people don't campaign. i want to win. i want our party to win. i want conservatives to win. >> casey hunt joins us now. didn't seem like he tried to play down his family connections. >> no, mika in many ways it was the opposite. he talked about his father at almost every stop remembering the campaign in 1980 30 years ago. i think one of the major things we learned here is that bush is jumping into this all the way. i think there were questions about whether or not his retail

campaign skills would be rusty left over from his last campaign in 2002. he handled himself very well in a wide variety of situations. he had a quick answer for any voter who asked him a question and he seemed to negotiate the potential pitfalls that could come up for someone who doesn't want to make a remark that's seen as not conservative. he seemed to recognize those and be careful handling them. >> thank you for that. still ahead on "morning joe." what is bringing a conservative senator from texas and a progressive from minnesota together. john cornyn and amy klobuchar join us. plus a quick thinking fisherman rescued a toddler in utah. this toddler is lucky to be alive. we'll tell you what happened you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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addressed quickly. it is rep henceable and contrary to all our values. >> let's go to the news. 18-month-old girl is recovering after a car accident in utah which sent her mother's car in the river and went unnoticed for nearly 14 hours. a local fisherman discovered the car in the freezing river and contacted local authorities. the baby was alive after 14 hours. the baby taken to a local hospital where she remains in critical condition. four first responders swear they heard somebody in the car saying help. when they got there, there was no one inside that was able to speak. >> "the washington post" finds san francisco is the most expensive city in the country to buy a home. mortgage research hsh.com looked at median priced homes and assumes a buyer would put down 20%.

you would need to make almost $143,000 to buy a home in san francisco. new york and l.a. required salaries of nearly $9,000. pittsburgh and cincinnati among the most affordable cities. >> this city new york city -- >> oh my lord. >> san francisco is worse. two american tourists carved their initials in the coliseum. >> don't do that. >> it gets worse. taking selfie to prove what they did. security at the iconic attraction detained two women. the women were cited for aggravated damage to a building. despite signs everywhere, in italian and english. they claimed they did not realize it was so serious to leave their mark on the 2,085-year-old structure. >> it's only a couple thousand years old.

there wasn't a lot of historical -- >> who does that? >> all right, variety. >> i was there. >> stop. variety. big changes are in store for fans of homeland. the co-creigh tor said it will jump into the future for the fifth season. a major shake up for kerry. she will no longer be an intelligence officer. it will shoot later this year in europe, most likely in germ aninyny. interesting. >> this last season was awesome. then you get to the last the last episode and it was like that simpson's episode where itchy and scratchy became friends. would you like tea? why yes, thank you. they sat around in their

domestic home. it's like kill somebody. >> the season was on fire. they slammed on the brakes in the last episode. i guess setting up the next season. >> one more story. >> mike barnicle what was up with that? >> they brought that series back last season. >> it was great. >> they brought it back. >> phenomenal. the last episode -- >> let him be. >> it's cocktail party. >> he's trying to figure out where to put his initials next. >> the americans. >> oh. >> i started watching the americans three years later. holy cow. >> i have to confess, i haven't seen it. people swear by it. >> i have seen a little. >> two leading actors. >> kerry russell. >> so good. she's amazing. >> they are incredible actors. >> the americans. >> he blows me away what he's able to do.

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50 years. our march is not yet finished. but, we are getting closer. 239 years after this nation's founding our union is not yet perfect, but we are getting closer. our jobs easier because somebody already got us through that first mile. somebody already got us over that bridge. when it feels the road is too hard when the torch we have been passed feels too heavy. we will remember these early travelers and draw strength from their example. we honor those who worked so we could run. we must run so our children soar. we will not grow weary. we believe in the power of an awesome god and the promise of a country. >> beautiful moment to watch in

selma over the weekend. the president of aspen institute, walter isaacson, good to have you. kasie is back. >> what did you think watching the president? >> honestly i had not so high expectations. this is one of the best speeches he has given. we haven't seen this barack obama since the campaign trail of soaring rhetoric, telling troops about american democracy, but the urgency, we can change the country forever. this is one of the best speeches he has given as president. >> walter you did a lot of reporting in the south. you grew up there, you remember bloody sunday. what were your thoughts seeing black president deliver this speech 50 years later? >> amazing. brings back so many memory that is he would be the president standing in front of it in the 50th shows what success has

been. his speech was pitch perfect. it answered the question that you know people like giuliani have been saying does he really love america. this was a why i love america speech and america is pushing to make itself a better land. that second half of that speech it was a textbook case of describing how you can really love america rather than wear it. >> absolutely. no matter what you think about what his administration has done he is a gateway into the future of black america, becoming the first black president of the united states. seeing him there that day was a moment to behold. >> it's the same time the ferguson report came out. >> let's get to politics of the moment. maureen dowd wrids, the

clinton's don't sparkle with honesty and openness everything needs to be a secret. two years after being subpoenaed to the formulation of her health care plan yet they act as though it's bad form when you bring up their rule bending. come partment liz. if you are aspiring to be the second president in the family why is it so hard to be straight and direct and stand for something? why can't you be upright, steady and good? given all the mistakes they make, why do they keep making them? >> walter a lot of democrats asking those questions. the clinton's used to be able to point to the republicans. now, they have to look at dianne feinstein, david axelrod, barack obama. a lot of people that aren't saying this is a right wing conspiracy. more and more democrats are saying, come on it may not be a

deal killer but if you are going to run for president, don't put us through this as a party. >> it would be good to have a real primary. i think in a primary, the big issues like how you are going to help the middle class and these type of things get aired out. they don't just stay the way they are now in a state of limbo. you have a lot of people i think, besides martin o'malley he represents you know main street, not wall street. he's a moderate democrat. even if he runs and doesn't win, it's like having a pay source when you are trying to get a horse ready for derby. she could use pace horses. >> the question is what could see say? sources tell us she will address this head on as early as this week. what could she say? >> i don't know.

they have to come up with something better than what the spokes people said. i was embarrassed for them. they said things they had no compelling arguments. they were talking in circles and acting as if this was 1998 and it's all about sex. i really was embarrassed for them. they had nowhere to go no good answers. i think there's a bigger issue here. the bigger issue is not just the server. the question is, why don't the clinton's have guardrails? why do they think, after all these years of scandal, the rules that apply to everybody else doesn't apply to them. they show terrible terrible judgment. memos to other state department employees saying you must do all state department business on state department e-mails. also foreign money. why do you take foreign money after you have told us you are not going to take foreign money? after there's been a ban on

foreign money? the clinton's took it. they didn't need to take it. they had hundreds of millions of dollars pouring in. they took it anyway. why does hillary clinton, someone worth well over $100 million, have to take $250,000 for a 30 or 45-minute speech from a new york public university that she represented not so long ago? why, when she knew she was running for president would she do that? these are the questions that a lot of people ask, casey and it doesn't make sense. how much are the republicans focusing this weekend on barack obama? how much are they focusing on hillary clinton? were they talking about this at all? >> it came up a little bit. i was so focused on agricultural policy. ted cruise said there needs to be a justice investigation. on this front, it's clear that jeb bush's camp is very aware of

the narrative she's creating here. they are taking steps not just in what he says, but how he conducts himself. he was in the crowd answering as many voter questions as there were. he took questions from the press. when is the last time you saw hillary clinton standing in the press answering questions? >> yeah. >> i have to wonder mika we are going to have andrew mccarthy on from the national review. he's going to pound trey the chairman of the select benghazi for knowing about it six months and not saying anything. i am looking at jeb bush's decision to release all his e-mails. i wonder if somebody from the committee told somebody from jeb's camp or if we are filtered out there, hey, we have this e-mail thing. i don't know. he's doing everything -- >> there was a law in florida that required him to release the e-mails. he knew that going in. florida's law says you have to

release all these e-mails. >> why not just release them now? >> they were all available if you went to the state of florida and said i want to see his e-mails. he's taking a step of publicizing them himself. the democratic criticism is he didn't go further than he had to. >> the one i'm curious about is the white house or anyone in the white house or anyone helping handle her transition into the state department advised her to use a government server? it seems strange she was there all that time and no one knew. >> yeah. >> interesting. walter, stay with us. up next five men behind bars. a sixth suspect blows himself up in russia. the mystery surrounding the murder of a top critic of russian president vladimir putin deepens over the weekend. we'll be right back. oh yea, that's coming down let's get some rocks, man.

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♪ 47 past the hour. welcome back. officials say five suspects were detained sunday in connection with the murder of leading kremlin critic boris nets solve. two men accused of killing the leader. russian news agencies report a judge said one of the two men made a statement in the courtroom confirming his guilt. three other suspects were ordered to remain in custody pending a decision on whether charges would be filed. a sixth suspect killed himself amid a stand off with police reportedly blowing himself up with a hand grenade. nemtsov was killed walking. here with us harvard university

professor and former assistant secretary of defense, joseph nye jr. out with a new book "is the american century over." great to have you here. >> i sat there debating did the american century start in 1888 1914 1919 1941? i thought it was absolutely fascinating. you decided it started in 1941 and that it's not yet over. tell us, is america in decline based on everything you studied? >> well americans have always worried about decline. in the 1960s, we thought the soviets were ten feet tall and the japanese were ten feet tall. now some think the chinese are ten feet tall. i argue in the book if we take

1841, 100 years after they declired the american century, i think the united states is still the most powerful country in the world. >> you bring up a great point. i was thinking about this as we were watching president obama's speech talking about how america pushes forward. we question ourselves, we try to get better. when i was reading your book, i was looking back at 1974 when a teacher said this is during watergate, we are like the roman empire, we are in decline. in law school it was the late '80s. america is going to be japan's granary. when i heard talk about china in five years, i started rolling my eyes. isn't there something about america that we constantly question our standard in the world? we have been predicting our own decline now for 50 years. >> that's right. even longer. it's a good thing. it makes us ask ourselves whether we are living up to our promise.

sometimes we don't. there are some areas where we have to improve our game. look at secondary education, for example. but, i think this anxiety maybe helps us more than it hurts us. >> walter? >> it's walter isaacson. you are co-chair of the aspen strategy group. >> shameless. >> shameless plug for joe. running aspen strategy group. you talk about russia quite a bit. we see a major dissipation of power in russia and can putin survive? >> i think russia is a country in serious decline. it's a one prop economy with a democratic problem. there are going to be fewer russians in the future. the average russian male dies a decade earlier than his normal in most developed countries and they can't make the reforms they

need. putin isn't trying to make the reforms. he's got a strategy of becoming china's gas station and cutting himself off from the sources of change and technology in western europe that he needs. i think russia is in real trouble. >> that's not a good thing. >> it's not a good thank you because -- >> most of us as americans by nature are optimistic. if you have been studying in an academic way, where does your optimism come from about the united states over the next 30 40 years? >> i look at a variety of things. one is the question of american economy. the questions of american technology american higher education. if you add all those things together, we are not like ancient rome. ancient rome had no productivity. it succumbed to warfare and for

all our squabbling in washington, that doesn't describe the united states. you have to compare it to where china is going. china has a number of problems. they are doing well. it faces a number of problems on the horizon. chinese say the dangers were getting old before getting rich. they have a demographic problem as they look ahead. putting all these things together i think you can make a strong case that the united states is going to be the most powerful country. i was interested the current issue in "the economist" magazine says my assessment is well argued and powerful. i hope they are right. >> very good. >> i like it. >> they find me very insightful. >> i was absolutely fantastic. >> his own blurb. >> joseph nye.

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♪ to prove i have done nothing wrong, i have ordered the state department to release every e-mail i ever sent while in office. so, go ahead, read 'em. you won't find jack hodham squat. if after all this people still want someone like elizabeth warren to run instead, god bless

elizabeth, lizzy, i love ya girl. we need more women like you. but it's not your time. it's my time. and finally, tonight, i want to address that pesky media who is really crawling up and under that skin of mine. camera two, zoom in. i have survived everything that's been thrown at me benghazi white water, having the name rod ham. after this blip i should rise again from the ashes like a phoenix, like a hillary clinton. i will ascend to the high office of president and claim my rightful place in history! if i choose to run. i don't know. >> i love it. she's good at it. welcome back to "morning joe." it's the top of the hour. mike barnicle and walter isaacson are still with us. we begin with the new report

about the growing tensions within isis. "the washington post" report that is it is because of a series of clashes between foreign and local fighters as well as failed attempts to revut local citizens. the group is suffering from a series of defections on the battlefield. one of the most recent setbacks occurred during the battle for saddam hussein's hometown. iraqi troops say they drove isis out of the town south of tikrit. news of the potential pact between militant groups show there is cause for concern. boko haram is pledging allegiance to isis posting it saturday on twitter. hours later, chad and niger launched an offensive. it's niger's first major effort against boko haram inside nigerian territory. >> mike the president, i know

wishes he could take back the description of isis as a j.v. team. >> sure. >> if you get a j.v. basketball team and there's no one else on the court, they look good running up and down the field. that's exactly what happened with isis. they had free run of syria and iraq for far too long and the cancer spread. i just wonder have been wondering this out loud for the past couple weeks, whether they are starting to fray because we actually are finally starting to treat the cancer. >> an element of fear that might be into the battlefield. in a sense, they have gobbled up territory. you have to take care of the population within that territory. not a way to come in and behead every third person you see on the ground. >> no. >> looting and tearing things up

and tearing about what people thought about their region. yeah, doesn't seem to be the way to go. it seems like this is inevitable they are going to fray. >> joining us now with more on this jim mick laklaszewskimiklaszewski. >> officials from the beginning were pushing the idea that part of their strategy was not to kill off all isis. in fact more isis and westerners were joining the isis cause in syria and iraq than could be killed at any kind of pace on the battlefield. it wasn't as sexy to talk about this, but from the beginning, you will remember some of the first air strikes went after those portable oil platforms, the refineries that were a prime source of funding for isis in both syria and iraq.

they were also preaching, from this building that what isis is doing when they take those large pieces of territory, including the likes of mosul and tikrit that it was not sustainable because they could not only guarantee the safety of the residents, in fact as michael pointed out, they were beheading many of them in groups dragging them out or in mass graves shooting them and burying them. so that doesn't ingender themselves with the local population. they couldn't provide basic services. that according to u.s. military officials, again, is not as sexy as air strikes and ground campaigns, but it could be the undoing of isis inevitably. but, general dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs will tell you, it's going to take time. >> we saw the same with hamas before the gaza bombing.

hamas was starting to lose support, widespread support in the palestinian territories before the gaza bombings. again, it's because you get elected, you have to govern. if you can't govern at the end of the day, people don't care what your philosophy is. >> jim, thank you very much. >> could i add more money issue? >> yeah. >> general dempsey just arrived in iraq today. one of the issues he's talking about seriously is the situation in tikrit where you have iraqi military forces and shia militia backed by iran attempting to free a sunni dominated city of tikrit. now, according to general dempsey and other senior military officials, this could be a game changer if it goes well, or it could be lights out if it doesn't. if the shia militia enters tikrit and forces sunnis out or

seize their territory and wealth in the city, game over. if the sunni's do not join in this operation against isis there can be no success in iraq. >> all right. jim, thank you very much. >> okay. we turn now to madison, wisconsin. a city searching for answers this morning after a police officer shot and killed an unarmed black teenager over the weekend. vigils and peaceful protests are being held over the death of 19-year-old tony robinson. he was shot by the officer after a struggle at an apartment. officials say they were first called because of a man matching robinson's description jumping in and out of traffic and possibly assaulted two people. the officer says he entered the apt many where robinson was because of a disturbance and the officer was attacked when he respond responded. the officer, a 12-year veteran is on paid administrative leave while under investigation. he was involved and cleared in a

deadly shooting in 2007 by the way. state representative chris taylor was near the scene when he was shot. she established a law to investigate police shootings. >> we need to give them time because we want the best product. we want the best result. we want the thorough result. we want our answers questioned. my understanding from talking to them yesterday, they interviewed me thoroughly. they are right in there, right now, collecting the facts, doing what they need to do to make sure we have the best most independent investigation that we can get. >> it's a story we have heard too often. you say unlike ferguson police officers those in madison responded. >> the madison police chief went directly to the family's home he prayed with the grandmother for 45 minutes. he immediately released details of the officer involved in the shooting. when someone from the press

asked about the criminal background of the victim he refused to give out those details. the exact opposite of what happened in ferguson. this is a week after the department of justice released a report on the systemic problems in the ferguson police department. the president addressed it in selma this weekend. very tragic killing. we are going to get the details about this case really quickly. and the responsiveness unlike in ferguson. >> that's the most important thing, from ferguson on they have to be learning experiences or teachable moments. overused cliche but the most important thing we have to do is figure out how to handle these things. this was handled so much better than the one in ferguson. if we can have a rational discussion instead of inflamed on both sides, we can learn from the incidents. >> we want to go to politics now. hillary clinton is scheduled to

make an appearance this afternoon at an event in new york for the united nations status on women. it comes as the controversy surrounding the personal e-mail account she used while secretary of state enters the second week. here is what president obama said about it over the weekend. >> i'm glad that hillary is instructed that those e-mails that had to do with official business need to be disclosed. >> you say you have the most transparent administration ever. >> it's true. >> how does this square with that? >> i think the fact she's going to put them forward will allow us to make sure that people have the information they need. >> what i would like is for her to come forward and say just what the situation is because she is the preeminent political figure right now. she is the leading candidate, whether it be republican or democrat for the next -- to be

the next president. i think that she needs to step up and come out and state exactly what the situation is. i think, at this point, from this point on the server the silence is going to hurt her. >> nbc news political director chuck todd has more on hillary clinton's history of transparency questions. >> reporter: the e-mail story is playing into every negative stereo type about the clintons and their supporters. they follow the letter of the law, but not the spirit. >> nobody disagreed with me as a law, what she did was lawful. lawful. now, all the what ifs. suppose that's not fact that's speculation. >> reporter: the story plays into a narrative when it comes to transparency the clinton's drag their feet. late tonight, republican senator announced mrs. clinton's billing records from the rose law firm that were long sought by his committee were discovered yesterday in the white house.

>> i, like everyone else would like to know the answer about how those documents showed up after all these years. >> during the 2008 elections they called clinton one of the most secretive politicians in america. >> releasing records and transparency in terms of tax returns has to do with us making sure that we are transparent and accountable and open to the public. >> reporter: most recently the clinton foundation dogged by stories of foreign donors. in 2007 democrats, including hillary clinton, herself, attacking bush administration officials for using a private e-mail system operated by the republican national committee. >> our constitution is being shredded. we know about the secret wiretaps. we know about the secret military try bunales, the secret e-mail accounts. >> don't expect it to hurt hillary clinton with democrats. but it does mean we can expect

the current active investigations like the select committee on benghazi to continue through november 2016. >> i would like to be able to represent to you at some point we have all the documents. frankly, when she is the keeper of the record and the custodian of the records, that's a challenge. >> since we learned she is going to possibly come out as early as this week and face this head on sources tell us what is it that she needs to say? she needs to hand over the -- >> again, you always ask me this and i spit something out quickly because there's always a good spin to it. i don't think there's a good spin to this. >> really? >> she attacked this chuck todd clip he unearthed. 2007 statement where she is on tape saying the constitution was being shredded by private white house e-mail accounts. you have president obama not

defending her this weekend because of her lack of transparency. you have dianne feinstein, one of the most powerful democrats on capitol hill saying she needs to get in front of this. i don't know. mike i don't think there's a good explanation on why you ignore rules and regulation that is you hold people who work for you to by saying you are not to conduct business on private e-mail. yet, you do it yourself. what is the spin there? >> mika asked you, what is it she has to say to get past this. the real point is what is it she will say? not what she has to say. a couple points off chuck's piece, we mentioned one of them earlier. i don't think a lot of people really, ordinary people, the average voter care about the e-mail thing or the private thing in the backyard. they don't care about that. if there's connection on the e-mail to foreign money, to the

foundation, that's a problem for her. just off chuck todd's piece we just watched, i sense there is out there, an exhaustion among people among the electorate. you can't exhaust the electorate. >> i keep talking about the david geffin quote about how they are unusually good liars. bob kerry said the same thing. the reason that took off is because other democrats were exhausted, exhausted putting their own credibility on the line for a guy on the left who lied repeatedly. >> they had an alternative in 2007. there's no alternative right now. >> that's not what walter isaacson said. >> there will be a lot of people lining up, wanting to run. if they lose they become the joe biden, the running mate the

next person in line. the democratic party has not the strongest bend but a strong bend. i think more people would want to run. if i were the hillary campaign i would want them to run. the e-mail controversy is sloppy things all over. if you focus on real issues who is going to help the middle class more. >> give me a name. >> john hickenloop a great candidate. a governor a mayor, he's moderate represents main street not wall street. martin o'malley is thinking about it. amy klobuchar. a lot of names that match up the same experience in the republican party. i think, real quickly, there's a larger issue here which she can't come out and say. if she was totally honest she would. throughout my whole career people have been trying to get every piece of e-mail i have done and make a scandal out of it. i know the rules say your state

department ones should be. we are getting to a place now, where we are so afraid of people looking into our e-mails like the nsa and we are trying to expose every politicians e-mails. >> it doesn't really explain, though, why she wouldn't work on the state department server for official business. >> any given day, i'll take an example from yesterday. we are talking andrew lack coming back here -- >> yeah, i get it. >> broadcasting board of governors. rick, my friend is there. it's difficult to say here is why one person is better than the other. >> if you were secretary of state, would you operate on your own server? >> i understand why you want to say wait let me tell you what i think. >> they have the regulations for a reason. if she's telling -- >> don't you think they have gone a bit too far, the regulations? >> no. not if you are secretary of state. >> yeah i guess. >> if you are secretary of

state, i guess it's just how you see public service. do you see it as an end to a means or public service as public service. >> e-mail is a way to have a real candid discussion with people or everything -- >> yeah but walter i can tell you, if there were regulations that i was not to conduct private business on my congressional or personal e-mails when i was in congress my chief of staff and everybody around me would be all over my ass if i sent them an e-mail, david stafford or rachel sanders, rachel campbell all my chiefs of staffs they would be in my office in three seconds saying by the way, i want you to know you violated a federal regulation. don't ever do it again. the question is by the way, talk to anybody that dealt with

me in congress, they will tell you that. i have people if i stepped out of line they would come in and pound me. the question is where were people around hillary to ask those questions? where were people in the state department? where were people in the white house? they certainly knew that hillary clinton was not playing by the very rules that barack obama set. where were they mike? >> all excellent questions, joe. let me pose a question to you. do you understand, at the end of those questions, do you understand the level of paranoia that must exist? >> if you are that paranoid that you can't abide by federal rules and regulations, that you force everybody else to abide by. if you are that paranoid that you are going to ignore what the president of the united states has laid out as requirements for communication to work in his administration, then stay and make another $100 million. there is no justification for the clinton's being so paranoid

that they decide they are not going to play by the same rules. you guys are smiling, do you disagree with me? >> no you are say whag they are thinking. >> you are saying and thinking differently than what she was thinking. >> you are compartmentalizing. >> thank you. >> what? >> he's compartmentalizing. >> not saying anything wrong. >> you are not saying what she did was right? >> absolutely not. given all the rules about everybody reading your e-mails. when you are gulf of mexico through life and get paranoid i understand why you would bury a server. >> can you imagine? she sets things up for requests and investigations can be thwarted. do we want somebody that paranoid as secretary of state being president of the united states? didn't we try that with nixon?

>> and kissinger. >> if she so paranoid guys, let's bring in it in here. look at me. seriously, this is a serious question for americans. if they are so paranoid if hillary is so paranoid that she can ignore the president of the united states she can ignore security concerns she can ignore white house guidelines she can ignore federal regulations, as secretary of state, do you want somebody that paranoid to be president of the united states? >> you know in that question joe, gets to potentially, i think, her largest electoral vol neshlt. nobody likes when they try to make their problems your problems. what she does here going forward. if she tries to make her baggage, the e-mails, the foreign government money, whatever, your baggage, you carry it you have to understand it. >> you don't want to carry it.

all right, still ahead on "morning joe," the hillary clinton e-mail controversy is leading to criticism about the chairman of the house elect in benghazi. walter you compartmentalize everything. it's coming from an unlikely source. we'll explain why this scuba diver is going deep to retrieve something of rory mcilroy's. what? did donald make him do that? >> yes, he did. >> you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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money. bbc, a man is due in court in london after he spent eight hours wondering art the roof of parliament. the 23-year-old was seen pacing back and forth on top of the landmark. he's facing charges including trespassing. officials are not sure if he was a demonstrator or doing a protest of his own. police are investigating how he got on top of the building. time. tourists visiting the iconic show from the hit show "full house." from that to this? are sorry they missed out on a once in a lifetime photo with the uncle jesse. john stamos went unnoticed when he paid a visit. she is standing in the street wile others take photos behind him, having fun with the situation, he captioned the photo, boy these youngsters have

0.0 idea what they are missing, hadding #turnaround. >> that's him on the left. >> wow. >> what? what? >> imagine if sagette was there. the olse next twins. >> during the cadillac championship rory mcilroy frustrated. does this look familiar joe? after hitting a bad shot chucks his 3-iron in. >> have you ever done that? i was terrible in my teens with those things. >> course owner, donald trump commissioned a scuba diver to retrieve the club. the diver came up with the 3-iron. sunday trump personally gave it to him. it's unlucky to carry 13 clubs. >> almost like lincoln.

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the facts and hear from her. i'm sure she will say more. >> we have heard she will address it this week head on. senator cornyn does she need to maybe, completely be transparent and hand the server over? >> i think so. there's federal laws in place and i think she needs to get this behind her unless this is going to be the subject of controversy for weeks and months on end. so i'd like to hear what she has to say. i think she needs to be fully transparent. >> let me ask you guys i start with you, senator klobuchar. talk about what you and senator cornyn were doing in a bipartisan effort to crack down on sex trafficking, which we have seen doesn't just happen on the other side of the globe, it happens all over. >> thanks so much. this is something we have been working on together for years. it is a truly bipartisan effort. we have so many authors on both

sides of the aisle. this is the third criminal enterprise over the world. tracking of young girls, average age is 12 years old. we have a number of bills we have worked on together. one i'm focused on takes minnesota's model saying a 12-year-old is a victim not a criminal. get that girl help and make sure she testifies against the prerp traitor. >> what countries -- it's stunning the third largest criminal enterprise in the world. what countries are the worst offenders? >> a lot of girls coming from mexico. problems in thailand. you have seen problems all over the world. remember, 83% of the victims in the u.s. are from the u.s. that's why, if we want to be a world leader on this and use this as a tenant of foreign policy, we have to get our act together in the united states. that's why senator cornyn and i are working together on the bills. >> if you talk to anybody in the

big city police department dallas texas, chicago, whatever, this is an ongoing problem, that's been there for a decade. why hasn't there been legislation prior to this? >> mike there has been. what we try to do amy and i, is try something different at the federal level. there's never enough money to go around. they are going to the people who purchase these services illegally and repulsive services and make them pay and provide the help to people who are the victim, help them get well and get on with productive lives. this is not a panacea, but it is doing something important in making progress against this modern day slavery. >> it's willie geist. i applaud you for taking on this. it's horrifying to know it's happening in our backyard not half way around the world. what about the other side the people running the organization.

the victims are 12 years old, which turns your stomach on its own. what about the men peddling. what do you do with them? >> working with trafficking facilitators. people that know it's going on but doing nothing about it. private companies, hotels airlines are rising to the challenge and helping prosecutors offices to make the cases. this is something that years ago, no one was dealing with. now, we are giving 40-year sentences out of st. paul minnesota. we have seen the destruction the rings brought. a 12-year-old from rochester, minnesota, got a text, thrown in a car, raped and sold with sexually explicit pictures the next day on craigslist. two guys bought her and raped her. the internet as created ability for them to engage in this

criminal activity. >> thank you very much for what you are doing. thank you. >> thank you. up next lawmakers have known since last summer that hillary clinton used her personal e-mail as secretary of state. we are first learning about it now. why that has a top conservative livid at the man leading the health select committee on benghazi. >> they are asking questions, legitimate questions, if they knew six months ago, why are we learning of it now? >> that's next. in one year 5.6 million hospital workers helped perform 26.6 million surgeries deliver 3.7 million babies and treat 133 million e.r. patients. now congress is considering cuts which could increase wait times reduce staff, and threaten your community's health. keep the heart of america's hospitals strong. for you and your family tell congress: don't cut hospital care.

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if you think to that iconic picture of her on a c-17 flying to libya, sunglasses on her handheld device in her hand. we have no e-mails from that day. in fact we have no e-mails from that trip. it's strange credibility to believe that if you are on your way to libya to discuss libyan policy, there's not a single document that's been turned over to congress. there are huge gaps and, you know, with respect to the president, it's not up to secretary clinton to decide what is public record and what is not. >> that was the chairman of benefit goz si. she's using e-mails on days she doesn't send anything back. flashbacks this is what the clinton's did from '93 to 2001. they would come up say things that the lawyer knew was false, that you knew was false, that

everybody, the audience knew was false. hillary saying i don't have no idea how the records showed up magically in the living quarters of the white house when you knew they did. here we go again. this is a replay of the 1990s. >> we are told she is going to speak this week about it. i look forward to hearing what that is. to an extent hopefully she releases them all, hands the server over. >> a lot of criticism. the national view is taking on congressman gowdy titled the belated interest in hillary's e-mails. senior fellow with the national review institute writes in part this in assessing the benghazi select committee headed up by the chairman the committee is a probe e represented by the republican establishment to get conservatives to fight them.

two, the committee is incompetent. which is it andy? >> again, i don't think it's easter/or. i think it could be both. there's an alarming disinterest in what a prosecutor i think, would think of relevant evidence. >> it is stunning. he has known about this for six months? >> yes, by his own account. >> why have they known about it for six months, but it takes a new york times reporter to get the information out? >> that's an important question. it goes to their approach in the investigation. >> isn't this about public accountability? if they have it six months ago, they are not building a criminal case against hillary clinton. it's public accountability. why not release it when you know you have it? >> you are right, it is about public accountability. what they have said from the start is they are going to approach this as a prosecutor approaches a criminal investigation and, you know i think that's a wrong approach.

whether i'm right or he's right about that the fact of the matter is if you find out a subject of your investigation is using private e-mail you issue a subpoena. >> does anyone agree there's a question for the white house in terms of whether or not it was noticed she was not using a government server her own e-mail and was she not advised, perhaps to change her e-mail practices? i would think they would. >> there's two aspects to that. one, from the white house's perspective, it might not be problematic she was using private e-mail as long as they were following up and keeping record of it, which they are allowed to do. if you are the white house council, you would raise it with the state department to make sure they are going the compliance. >> right. >> we don't know whether they were or weren't. evidently not. >> what is at the heart of the story for you. they have come out and said it's

e-mail. she gave 55,000 pages worth. is it security accountability? what is it for you? >> the politics of it is interesting to me. it's beside the point. i'm a national security guy. i have been worried about benghazi from the start. i think it's a bipartisan scandal that goes back to the libya war, which was not just an obama initiative. he was pushed into it by high ranking republicans who wanted it as well. this was a policy decision that was made to abandon a counterterrorism alliance we had with the gadhafi regime that went back a number of years and basically switched sides knowing a lot of people on the other side were jihadists and for that reason, i have been worried from the start that it's not just the democrats who have an interest in obstructing the inquiry into benghazi. >> walter, we were talking about this before. look at libya.

it's not just owned by barack obama. it's owned by a lot of republicans that were banging their swords saying let's go in and get him. >> that's the larger issue here. we barrelled into syria. we barrelled into iraq. we barrelled into libya. and we own this broken territory and everybody is a little bit uncomfortable not having predicted what a mess we were going to leave if we went into each of these countries. you know deep inside i would love to hear andrew on this deep inside a lot of people said if we could rewind the clock, we wouldn't try to topple gadhafi or saddam hussein. what about you? >> they were saying please don't do this as far as libya was concerned. inevitably, what it meant, they are on a quest for moderate islamists in the hope to be able to have some accommodation with them and go forward in a more

stable way. when you court moderate islamists, what happens is jihad has become empowered. for that reason i think it was a mistake to do this. a lot of us implored them not to do it. i thought obama was correct not to go into syria and resist the people who said we need to go into syria and jump in and try to topple saddam. >> thank you very much. good to have you on the show. up next it's almost time for the apple watch. you going to get one, andy? >> you know -- >> see. look. the answer is no. the answer is no. i'm just telling you. we are going to goo live to the san francisco to the scene of apple's big event hours from now. >> gowdy's hair. >> they had something on the hair. i think they should have brock versus gowdy. >> the pictures we showed in

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highly anticipated apple watch. is it highly anticipated? >> yes. >> i think so. >> yes. >> the company kept details close to the vest since ceo tim cook teases the idea in september. the smartwatch is scheduled to hit the market sometime in april. nbc news correspondent joe fryer joins us now from san francisco. joe what more can you tell us about the watch? >> reporter: well good morning, mika. you knowypically these events are shrouded in mystery. it will have a heart rate monitor and other features. one big question. can oopal make wearable technology mainstream? apple may not be the first tech company to release a smartwatch but it hopes to be the best. >> let you swipe through information efficiently. >> reporter: the price tag is a

mystery. we just know will start at $349 and there will be three additions. a sports verse a more traditional model made of stainless steel and a much fancier 18 carat goldkarat gold watch that could cost thousands. wearable technology evolved from dick tracy's watch. fits in trackers and smartwatches from other companies, google glass, but none has been a smash hit. >> not that attractive, some of the ones already out there in the market. that's a big part of it. >> reporter: to succeed, apple needs to blend function with fashion. already the sports watch appeared on the cover of "self" magazine and a tech giant place add 12-page ad in "vogue" including an 18 karat ticker. >> that focus, interesting move positions itself as a luxury

item. >> the watch provide as comprehensive picture of your daily activity. >> reporter: of course the watch still needs to be a cool tech tool. >> people kind of have to forget it's there, but then when they need it it needs to function exactly the way they need. nobody's quite hit the mark yet, and i'm not even sure if apple will do that. that remains to be seen. >> reporter: the pressure is really on apple today to try to convince people why they need this smartwatch like they need their iphones, and their ipads back to you guys. >> all right, joe. thank you very much. >> thank you so much joe. walter isakson, a lot of people skeptical about the watch, but a lot of skeptical, including myself, about the ipad. why would we need something like that? you were actually with steve jobs when he was getting hammered on the ipad. >> quite upset looking at all the e-mails and tweets making fun of the ipads, why do we need

something half way between the computer and iphone. i don't think people had quite the imagination as he had to envision, create something for airline pilots make it clear you don't need to take your computer with you. have your ipad, be reading, seeing video. that whole app economy that developed around the iphone then the ipad that i think will develop around the watch as well. the app economy, 6,000 jobs now just making apps for these type of things. once you unleash the creativity of thousands of people in their garages, making apps making things for fitness, for our, you know, our dick tracy -- >> really? >> it's that old adage you write about in the book that steve jobs says i'm going to tell people what they want before they want it. >> read it on the paper before people know what they want. >> exactly. >> and that whole tested approach where people follow what -- >> it's all belief in beauty. that's what's going to set the apple watch apart.

>> and you trust the brand. >> yeah. >> after a decade of putting out products that you use now everyday, you trust the brand. >> mika is a skeptic. >> i just think you can't compete with something like the iphone. i think, or another version of it from a different company, where it's here where it's an ipad. it doesn't -- nothing's going compete. it's not going to work. >> wouldn't you like to do this? text carly. carly, get down here now! >> it's not going to work. she would not listen. >> that's another problem. >> oh right. ing up at the top of the hour division and dissent with isis. why the islamic state may be starting to split itself apart. plus a city searching for answers after an unarmed black teen is shot and killed by a police officer in wisconsin. what police happened and then the latest on the investigation straight ahead.

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we were beaten tear gassed. some of us were left bloody right here on this bridge. 17 of us were hospitalized that day, but we never became bitter or hostile. we kept believing that the truth we stood for would have the final say. this city on the banks of the alabama river gave birth to a movement that changed this nation forever. our country will never ever be the same because of what

happened on this bridge. >> what a fwhndweekend in selma. a former president showing up. and good morning. school of international and public affairs dorian warren and in washington editorial director of the national journal ron fournier. good to have you all onboard. >> how was your weekend? >> running around after teenagers all weekend. going to be here. >> how was your weekend, willie? >> it was good. we did -- last night, the night of too many stars on comedy central. an autism fund-raiser. jon stewart hosting. robert smigel triumph, the insult comic. comedic genius. >> remember the greatest moment in the history of scarborough

country. he contributed to it. >> smigel did? >> yeah. well he came out with triumph and talking policy. just joking around. and carl bernstein actually interrupted, and i immediately went to t.j. give me split screen give me split screen! i swear to god, we have the split screen of try ump going like this and another thing about you democrats -- and then bernstein debating. this is going on five minutes. finally i go carl carl you do know you're debating a puppet? this is a puppet. >> oh, i love carl. >> i love carl. >> that's amazing. >> i remember that. >> yeah. incredible. >> good stuff. >> that was -- >> by the way, "time/life" i'm sure they'll put out best of scarborough and along with the dean martin roast, that's going to be -- >> beautiful. >> mike, i got to stop talking about that. mike barnicle, you have a good

weekend? >> excellent. ex-lend. sat on the back porch and watched snow melt. >> okay. that's great. what did you do? >> i was here. >> yeah. >> some of the selma coverage. >> wasn't it amazing? >> an amazing weekend. >> it really was amazing. >> i think some people took your advice. we'll get there. this is incredible. even this scene across the bridge, and let just say republicans decided to go. a couple of big names, and i thought it was amazing. president bush and his wife were there as well. >> yep. >> but then of course we go madison, wisconsin which really was an incredible parallel story to what we seeing in selma. a city searching for answers this morning after a police officer shot and killed an unarmed black teenager over the weekend. vigils and peaceful protests held over the death of 19-year-old tony robinson. police say robinson was shot by the officer after a struggle at an apartment.

officials say they were first called because of a man matching robinson's description who was jumping in and out of traffic and possibly assaulted two people. the officer says he entered the apartment where robinson was, because of a disturbance, and police say the officer was attacked when he responded. authorities say the officer, a 12-year veteran, matt kenny, is on paid administrative leave during an investigation. he was involved and cleared in another deadly shooting in 2007. state representative chris taylor was near the scene when robinson was shot and co-sponsored a law establishing an independent body to investigate police-involved shootings. >> we need to give them because we wah want the best product, the thorough result the answers questioned. my understanding from talking to them yesterday, they are right in there right now collecting the facts doing what they need

to do to make sure that we have the best most independent investigation that we can get. >> it's a story we've heard too much of for way too long, and as eric holder said after the report came out last week americans just always assumed the worst, because of a very very bad history. >> very bad history, without question, but there is a big difference in how the police chief of madison responded to this shooting compared to the ferguson shooting. >> and they have a system in place. the police chief went to the house of the parents and met and prayed with the grandmother 45 minutes directly after the shooting. released the name of the officer right after the shooting. there will be a thorough investigation. this is an example. there is clearly anger and grief and hurt but this is the example how to respond appropriately. >> and the contrast between ferguson obviously, questions raised of the doj. in fact raised. and then in new york where we

saw it on tv the next day and said, he was murdered. he was killed and yet new york there were peaceful protests for the most part. >> yeah i. think so much of it. dorian's right. it's how people respond early on and whether they actually think you give a damn. >> and the culture. we don't have a problem. look away. that doesn't work anymore. >> no. >> not in this country. so we'll follow this. >> so did you hear the news overnight from "the washington post" about isis? willie, that's fascinating stuff. isn't it? that isis is -- it looks like isis is appearing to fray and may be on the run. >> yeah. we've got "the washington post" reporting that this fraying is because of a series of clashes between foreign and local fighters as well as failed attempts to recruit local citizens. the group is reportedly also suffering from a series of defections and losses on the battlefield. one of the most recent setbacks

occurred during battle for saddam hussein's hometown. iraqi troops say they drove isis out of the center of the town south of tikrit and killed a number of would-be suicide bombers. >> mika, this weekend i actually -- i -- yesterday i took jack to tennis lessons, seeing if we could get one out of 87 scarborough top hit the ball over the net. >> he's good? right? >> he like doing it. somebody way up to me asked about isis said are you worried? how much should we be worried about isis? and i'm certainly not the person to go to in tennis lessons to ask that question but, of course even though i'm shy i gave my opinion. i said you know what? it's like a cancer, but it's like a cancer that is treatable, but was ignored for a year or two. and i said i really think when we start hammering them, i think you're going to see them sort of pulling apart and fraying, just like this story said this morning. and that's what i've been saying on-air for about a month. these videos they keep getting

more and more horrendous are actually out of desperation, because they just kept amping it up and amping it up and when you're doing that and there doesn't seem to be an end game it means you're trying to think you're more powerful than others think you are or possibly not able to recruit. i'm not saying they're done but they've finally been been hit, have the world hammering on them and after hammering them hard they are going to look like a j.v. team if we do it the right way. they aren't iran. >> they're not, and they have a way of making potential connections and allowing islamic state ill tants to expand overseas. boko haram is posting allegiance to isis. hours later nigeria's first

major effort against isis inside as nigeria comes. isis is continuing to grow online with at least 46,000 twitter accounts. >> so let's bring in nbc news foreign correspondent keir simmons in london. keir, let's talk about the alliance first, because you see "the washington post" story. i think the fact is we really don't know what's going on internally inside the group but certainly do know that two very dangerous groups aligned this weekend. tell us about it. >> yeah. i mean that's exactly right, and i guess in a way it's a counterpoint to what you were saying there about isis weakening. this is boko haram who you remember kidnapped the schoolgirls led to that twitter campaign "bring back girls." this is is a very very ruthless terror group anyway based in

nigeria now saying it has aligned itself with isis. the point you make about boko haram under attack is similar to the point you were making in iraq and syria in that there were some suggesting the reason why boko haram is doing this is because it's on the defensive trying to find a way, if you like, to push back but it does raise very serious, a very serious issue, guys and what it basically puts into the frame is the way that isis is spreading around the world. i mean it's becoming a long list, which means i even have to treed. i can't just tell you but afghanistan, algeria, egypt, lebanon, india, indonesia, pakistan, the pill fooens,hilippines, the list of places where there you nor terrorist groups perhaps preventionly aligned to al qaeda saying they are isis affiliated is growing and one of the questions, how many more foreign fighters particularly say from west are going to get to that

access and how much access to the west? of course the more places isis is the more flights it has access to and that is going to be a worry for security agencies in the u.s. and in europe. >> all right. keir simmons, thank you very much. now to politics. hillary clinton is scheduled to make an appearance this afternoon at an event in new york for the united nations commission on the status of women. it comes as the controversy surrounding the personal e-mail accounts she used while secretary of state enters its second week. over the weekend, president obama was forced to weigh in. >> i'm glad that hillary is instructed that those e-mails that had to do with official business need to be disclosed. >> reporter: you said had you the most transparent administration. how does that square with that? >> it's true. well i think the fact she's going to put them forward will allow us to make sure that people have the information they need.

>> what i would like is for her to come forward. and say just what the situation is. because she is the preeminent political figure right now. she is the leading candidate, whether it be republican or democrat for the next -- to be the next president, and i think that she needs to step up and come out and state exactly what the situation is. >> i think at this point, from this point on the silence is going to hurt her. >> mike barnicle -- i'm sorry. go ahead. >> sources tell us she will be not sure if at today's event, but she will be addressing this head-on probably this week. that should be interesting to see if she can turn the page with her words. i'm not sure but -- that will be important. >> i think perhaps she needs to because if you look at those clips and see what other democrats are saying mike democrats aren't exactly circling the wagons for hillary here. >> no. democrats aren't, but i think there's a very low level of

interest among the public with regard to the e-mail, the private server, but the money involved here you know if it can be traced that huge amounts of money went to the clinton foundation off of an e-mail trail while she was secretary of state. >> that's not good. >> that's -- >> talking foreign money? >> the foreign money. and on that point, ron fournier you wrote a column this weekend that got a lot of hillary supporters squealing. howard dean was seemed to be spinning his sunday going after you way vengeance on twitter yesterday. at one point you were like dude, i got to go out and rake leaves. i got to leave you with this but a lot of people got upset about the article that follows up, according to your sources to what mike just said. >> yeah. i told the governor who i love and have covered a long time he's a great guy and obviously defending his candidate, and obviously wants to get a roll in the cabinet.

i can't blame him for that. a heck of a lot more meaningful for to you get hillary to address this ran that are talking about what i write. you can't spin, intimidate your way out of this or blame the republicans out of this. this is a problem she created and i have a lot of respect for the secretary. it's a problem she can solve. two ways -- >> and also on your column this weekend and follow-up on your sources close to clinton telling you where the real scandal is sounds a lot like what mike just said. >> it does. i'm sorry. i really thought we were getting away from what i thought was the bigger story which is the idea that the clinton foundation has taken foreign money and corporate money. and, you know like you i was raising an ear of the watergate. you talked about woodward earlier, follow the money. i was bog reporting on it and talking to a lot of people very close to the clintons and they were saying that's what you've

got to follow. you've got to follow the money. there's a lot of whispers of pay to play here. a lot of stories that have alluded to that. and then i realized that well for me to really be able to follow the money, for us for the american people to be able to follow the money we've got to see the e-mails. she's got to turn over that server. what dawned on me this morning, the two stories are connected. not because republicans connected them not connected bemucha or joe or i have connected them bu because of hillary clinton's actions and only her actions can disconnect them. she can release the server with all the e-mails on it. that's our server not hers and she can have the foundation return all foreign donations. >> i do think it's our server. >> no doubt about it. it is. period. >> and i thought it was interesting. the president, you know kind of like we said on thursday or friday. he's not going to go out of his way and be part of any cover-up big or small for hillary clinton. >> the point was, everyone was

supposed to be transparent and everyone was supposed to use government e-mail. >> and he's now saying -- >> well put. >> in 2015 well -- basically what he said in an interview, willie, was, yes, we are the most transparent. we have someone here who hasn't been transparent, but i'm glad to hear that now you know six years later, she's saying she's going to be transparent. >> and that was the message from the podium at the white house all week. they didn't come out at the beginning and try to cover for her. they made it clear this was her problem and it was not going to be connected to president obama. she's got to come out and talk about this. maybe there's an explanation why she only had private e-mail. maybe there's an explanation why they let foreign governments money flow into bill hillary and chelsea clinton foundation but we don't know because we haven't heard from her. >> if you work at the state department is the it your understanding you're to follow regulation and have e-mail on a government server? if you work for her? at the state department. >> listen, she sent out a memo

that says all state department business should not be -- you should not do any state department business on personal e-mail. she sent that memo out to ron, to every employee at the state department. and -- >> right. >> -- an ambassador who seemed to about bit of a run away beer truck as we say in northwest florida, an ambassador was fired, in part they said because he used personal e-mail. >> yeah. you know, i've covered and admired the clintons now since the mid '80s when i was a state house reporter and they're unlike any other politicians will ever see. their strengths are bigger than just about anybody in the business and their weaknesses can can be as big as anybody in the business and this is pretty typical. it's an ends justifies the means mentality, that we can play by a different set of rules. you don't have to be a republican to realize it just

doesn't make sense. it's just not the way you run government, have an off the books, in your backyard in your basement server. that's not good for transparency, not good for security and raidsses a lot of ethical questions we can't see until we see the e-mails. up next, the questions about the apple watch. >> mark halperin has one on now. >> do you see yourself doing this dorian? no. a big shake upfrom scenes of "homeland." why season five may seem like a totally different show? >> why that? >> well -- first, bill karins with the same old forecast. >> no. no, no no! see, joe heard it earlier, mika. things have finally changed. this is our march melt we're going to call it this week. a little over the weekend, a lot more this week. remember the snow that fell in the ohio valley last week? a lot of that should be gone by the time we get to next weekend. show you the temperatures. finally, no too many frigid

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fraternity sigma alpha epsilon announced plans to close its chapter at the university of oklahoma after video began circulating on social media that allegedly shows members chanting a racist slogan. the president of the university of oklahoma, david boren, says the school sin vest gating the video shows students to see whether it does. in a statement, in part "i've been informed of the video showing students engaging in racist chant we're investigating to determine if the video involved ou. if ou students are involved this behavior will not be tolerated and will be addressed very quickly." the behavior is reprehensible and contrary to all our values. >> let's go to the desserette news. 18-month-old girl recovering story, amazing after a car sdment utah sent her mother's car into a river and unnoticed nearly 14 hours. >> oh my gosh. >> a local fisherman discovered the car in the freezing river

and alerted local authorities. the child's mother was killed in the accident but the baby was alive. again, after 14 hours. the baby take ton a local hospital where she remains in critical condition. the paper reports four first responders swear they heard somebody inside the car saying help but when they got to the car, there was no one inside that was able to speak. >> the wp"the washington post"," san francisco, the most expensive city in the country to buy a home. mortgage research cites h.h.cot and need to make almost $143,000 to buy a home in san francisco. new york and l.a. required salaries of nearly $90,000. pittsburgh and cincinnati were among the most affordable cities. >> we're going to riverfront. >> oh my gosh. >> this city new york city -- >> oh my lord! >> insane. san francisco's worse. >> san francisco yeah. >> the "new york post."

two american tourists facing criminal charges an carving their initials into the coliseum. >> no. >> don't do that and wait. gets worse. take as selfie to prove what they d. barnicle -- >> security at the iconic detraction detained two women from california after other tourists noticed the vandalism around lerted officials. the women cited for aggravated damp to a building with artistic interest. despite signs everywhere in italian and english claim they not realize it was so serious to leave their mark on the 2,085-year-old structure. >> i was glog to say. only 2,000 years old, in an area that fwhaen a lot of historical import. >> who does that? >> how could they know? >> well i did something to the mona lisa one time. did not take a selfie. all right. "variety." >> yeah. i was there. the venus de milo the other thing -- >> stop. big changes for "homeland." the show will jump two 1/2 year2 1/2

years into the future for the upcoming season and a major shake-up for carrie as well. claire danes, no longer an intelligence investigator. begins shooting in europe most likely in germany. interesting. >> so this land season was awesome. >> was it? >> it was awesome. and then you get to the last the -- the last episode, and it was like that simpson episode where itchy and scratchy became friends. what? he likes him? he, why, yes. thank you. and they just sat around in their domestic home willie. it was like -- kill somebody! kill the -- >> the season on fire and slammed on the brakes in the last episode i guess seting up the next season or something? >> mike barnicle. >> what was up with that? >> well they brought that series back last season. it was, the year prior -- >> a great season.

>> phenomenal. the last episode, banachrnicbarnicle he got nothing. and mika hates when we talk about shows. oh, my lord. "the americans." i started watching "the americans" three years later. holy cow i. have to confess i haven't seen it and people swear by t. i've seen a little. >> two lead actors. >> kerry russell. >> so good. i've seen a tiny bit. she's amazing. >> both incredible actors. >> "the americans." >> he blows me away. mika, we're only hours away from the big apple event. >> yes. it's the watch event. >> the watch event. not the new york city event. >> can you tell i'm excited. >> are you going to wear one of those things? >> no. >> i'm going to let some other people wear it first. what i'll say about it. we didn't get the ipad or the --

>> no. we all went to ipad. in realtime got the video. and now -- >> some analysts say it could turn apple into a $1 trillion company. weeg wool we'll look into it. we'll be right back.

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okay. the controversy over a possible nuclear deal with iran was a prominent topic on the sunday talk shows. president obama defended the progress of negotiations pushing back against concerns that the united states would accept ap bad agreement with iran. >> iran has abided by the terms of the agreement. we know what's happening on the ground in iran. they have not advanced their nuclear program. we're not losing anything through these talks. >> and you've said that if there's no deal you're willing to walk away. that's it? >> absolutely. if there's no deal we walk away. if we cannot verify that they are not going to obtain a nuclear weapon, that there's a breakout period so that even if they cheated, we would be able to have enough time to take action, if we don't have that kind of deal we're not going to take it. >> but israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu says the u.s.

is no longer trying to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, and is focused on containment. he also fired back at a white house tweet on an article that claimed netanyahu has been wrong about iran for 25 years. >> the reason i've been warning for 25 years is because iran has been trying to get to the bomb and if we hadn't acted i and president obama and congress and others if we hadn't acted in these intervening year iran would have had the nuclear weapon a long time ago, and if we don't -- if we let our guard down if we had let our guard down then iran would have had the weapon. if we let our guard down now it will have the weapon. the useful to know who your ally is and who your enemy is. >> every time you hear that voice your head goes like -- you hear the voice it goes -- >> there are some people you can see the two layers of what they're saying at the same time.

it's interesting. but democratic senator dianne feinstein said netanyahu's speech in front of congress was out of line for a friend of the united states. >> what prime minister netanyahu did here was something that no ally of the united states would have done. i find it humiliating, embarrassing and very arrogant. because this agreement is not yet finished to trash it before you have the final period on it before you know what it is i think is a huge error in judgment for our number one ally in that area. >> walter isaacson from someone with a lot more stature than me tough words from netanyahu and what he did with that speech. do you aweyou agree? >> dianne feinstein hit it right on the hit. it had been a non-partisan issue sticking up for whatever the

israeli government felt was in israel's national interests, suddenly netanyahu turned it into a partisan thing and when senator feinstein calls it humiliating the way he's treating, we now have people say, well, our national interests, especially when it comes to iran, aren't full aligned with israel's. >> talk about iran and the deal. the president says that he's not going to take a bad deal. do you -- do you believe him? >> yes. i mean -- >> i ask you that because we all see presidents so desperate to get a breakthrough in they're last years. >> something clear. it would take a year for iran to start cheating and break out and create a bomb. if you have that year especially since we'll have had intruth of the inspections, we'll be in better shape if we have to go to war with iran. >> we thought we had that war with north korea. >> we didn't have inspectors

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42 past the hour. time now for "business before the bell" with c nbc's sara eisen. a rough close on wall street. concerns among investors? >> yeah. the concern is mika that the numbers are coming in so good on the economy, like friday's jobs report, that the federal reserve is going to have to change policy raising interest rates, ending this super easy free-flowing money zero interest rate policy and that is what spooked wall street on friday. also interesting to neat if you zoom out and you look at the stock market rally that we've been experiencing over the last six years, since the financial crisis, today is actually the anniversary of the bull market. march 9, 2009 it started, when the numbers started to get better helped in part by what

the federal reserve has been doing with low interest rates and con taitive easing. that bull market turns six. worth mentioning that today. also mcdonald's coming out saying that its february sales were worse than analysts even expecting. globally and in the united states. one week into the brand new ceo steve easterbrook's tenure and shows it's going to be a hard uphill battle when it comes to turning around this giant ship. finally, of course a lot of anticipation around today's apple event. 1:00 p.m. eastern time 10:00 a.m. pacific, calling it spring forward. expecting to announce all sorts of new details including pricing, battery life and specifics about the apple watch. the key thing to watch in term what's it will do to apple's stock and profits is it going to be a big enough sell jer because apple is so ginormous. $200 billion in revenues last year it will take a lot to move the needle when moving the growth for this company. >> sarah, do you wear a watch? >> i don't. i'm considering getting one. >> sara eisen, thank very much.

doing anecdotal science here. >> very skeptical. >> joining us senior writer for bloomberg, and been asking you about this. >> mika is very skeptical. >> these guys lose their watches all the time. sarah doesn't wear one. >> i don't wear one either. not since i got an iphone. >> how's this going to work? >> apple is hope they go can do for the smartwatch what they've done for the smartphone the tablet, the music player to say that there have been other versions of that so far, but none of them have really caught fire. >> yeah. >> and they're hoping that lightning will now strike for i guess the fourth time and they'll be the one to actually take this product and make it a phenomena. >> so i understand this product, because i mean obviously they have to make you need the watch. >> right. pretty good at making you want things. >> like if you have a bmw. do it with other cars the watch will find your car in a crowded parking lot. go to certain hotels the watch opens your door to the hotel room -- sort of scares me, but anyway -- how are the apps?

what's that system look like? that's what will drive. >> this watch is going to live and die by the apps that run on it. much like the phone kind of really took off when a whole community of people started developing things for it. so apple's looking for it to be a health device looking for it to do all the things you just described. to be a communications tool and also to tell time. >> a great genius of steve jobs as you just said creating that app economy. something he initially resisted because he loves having end-to-end control of everything, but his top team said, no. allow people to develop apps. you're worried about losing your watch? a find my watch app. so many different things like that. the genius it keeps new that wonderful curated garden that end-to-end ecosystem where the hardware software content and apps are curated but still allows a $600 million economy to develop new apps. >> and apple has always talked a lot about this even comparing

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joining us now for our we women who run things" series stephanie rawlings-blake. good to have you onboard. >> good to be here. >> we're watching images from selma over the weekend which were just beautiful, in so many ways and such a historic moment to see that then juxtaposed with headlines from madison,

wisconsin with scenes of another unarmed black teen shot. you've combatted this and baltimore is looked at closely by the justice department. how much does policing style matter and what is it that baltimore is trying to do to change thing xbrss? >> my focus, being proactive. my heart goes out to the robinson family with the tragic death of their son, but the challenge for me and many mayors is that you can't be reactive. you have to be out in front and aggressive. in baltimore we've had public safety forums before ferguson going to each police district to hear from communities about how we can work better together and it's working. our police brutality complaints are down. police misconduct complaints are down. lawsuits against the city are down. and we're also getting better information and more information and the community members are willing to work with us. so it's about, for me being proactive, being aggressive and

consistent that you need to make this work between the police and the community. >> it does matter pup see a difference in the response in madison than compared to ferguson, and it's dramatic. and it could be the difference moving forward. you have been a superstar in baltimore for many years. you actually were the youngest person to be elected to baltimore city council at 25 years old. so my question for you is this -- i know you have a job. i know you have a job to do and you love your job, but would you be -- are you considering running for mikulski's seat that's opening up? >> aisle say the fact that my name gets mentioned as a potential successor to mikulski is so flattering. senator mikulski is a legend that walks among us. for a woman in politics to have her as a role model and a mentor has been a blessing to me, and i get it. i have a record of bringing people together for getting difficult things done and i know that washington needs more of that.

so, you know i have to take a hard look at it and figure out how i can best serve baltimore. >> is there responsibility or a sense of duty? you would be the second african-american woman to be u.s. senate if you won? >> i think my responsibility and my duty is to use the skills and talents that i have to serve my residence, my citizens my constituents in the best way possible. >> but you're looking at it? >> i think -- it would be -- i have to. i mean i have to take a look at that. i think, you know we call our senator, it's like having a baltimore girl in the senate and a lot of people think that in that style that very aggressive unapologetic leadership style is needed in washington, d.c. and i'm not afraid to tackle big issues. >> speaking of sometime curious as a woman in political office what's the biggest challenge that you face as an elected official who happens also to be a woman, do you think? >> i think one of biggest

challenges is how to juggle it all. thousand how to keep everything in place. i have an 11-year-old daughter who is not really impressed with the fact i have this busy job. she wants a mom, and you know working with my husband and my mom and my family to help keep all of those things together and, you know keep everything moving forward. i think i have the same problems that a lot of working moms have. you know how do you make it all work from one day to the next? >> the 11-year-old daughter i'll tell you from my own experience that doesn't get better. they become less impressed over time but one day she'll be proud. mayor stephanie rawlings-blake thank you very much for launching our series today. >> thank you. >> our "women who run things "continues tomorrow with a reminder tickets are on sale right now for the "know your valley" veents in philadelphia, chicago, boston orlando, a month away from philadelphia. we want you to go to our website. jump into the "grow your value"

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