>> fill in the blanks. >> yeah. here's morris black. your nightmare. your worst nightmare of a neighbor. and he was. >> charles bagli and david feige. thank you both very much gentlemen. >> thank you. >> that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" begins now with steve kornacki sitting in for rachel. happy monday. >> happy monday to you as well. thanks to you at home for joining us for the next hour. rachel has the night off. this, what you are looking at this, is the brown chapel ame church in selma, alabama, a church that played a major role in the civil rights movement, back in the 1960s was used by martin luther king jr. as his headquarters, sort of a staging ground for the fight for voting rights. it was front of the brown chapel in selma, alabama, that on sunday march 7th 1965 in the face of a ban on protest marches

in that city it was on that day in front of that church that 600 demonstrators gathered and kicked off their march from selma to the state capital of montgomery. that was what became known as bloody sunday when those protesters were viciously attacked and beaten with all of the world watching by police officers. 42 years later, 42 years after that day on sunday, march 4th, 2007, the 42nd anniversary of bloody sunday, the keynote speaker chosen to address the congregation at brown chapel in selma was the junior senator from illinois. >> so don't tell me i don't have a claim on selma, alabama. don't tell me i'm not coming home when i come to selma, alabama. i'm here because of that sacrifice for me. i stand on the shoulders of giants. >> i stand on the shoulders of giants. that's what then-senator barack obama said in selma in march of 2007. now, there were politics in the air that day.

eight years ago obama was running for the democratic nomination to become president. he marched that day alongside congressman john lewis from georgia, but also alongside then-senator hillary clinton she was also vying for the democratic presidential nomination. that march, that day in selma was actually their first side-by-side appearance in that campaign. and now this past weekend, president obama returned to selma for the first time since that 2007 march. he was there for the 50th anniversary of bloody sunday, and this time he stood on the edmund pettus bridge as the nation's first african-american president. >> the americans who crossed this bridge, they were not physically imposing. but they gave courage to millions. they held no elected office but they led a nation. they marched as americans who had endured hundreds of years of brutal violence, countless daily

indignities, but they didn't seek special treatment, just the equal treatment promised to them almost a century before. what they did here will reverberate through the ages, not because the change they want was preordained, not because their victory was complete, but because they proved that nonviolent change is possible, that love and hope can conquer hate. >> the speech ended up running for more than 30 minutes, this weekend. covered quite a bit of ground, president obama addressing the recent justice department report in the ferguson police department, a report that came out just last week. >> this week i was asked whether the department of justice's ferguson report shows with respect to race little has changed in this country. and i understood the question.

the report's narrative was sadly familiar. it evoked the kind of abuse and disregard for citizens that spawned the civil rights movement. but i rejected the notion that nothing's changed. what happened in ferguson may not be unique, but it's no longer endemic. it's no longer sanctioned by law or by custom and before the civil rights movement, it most surely was. >> president obama also spoke about patriotism, about what it means to be a patriot, something that some people said was a response to former new york city mayor rudy giuliani's recent comments about the president's patriotism. >> we are well served to remember that at the time of the marches, many in power condemned rather than praise them. back then they were called communists or half breeds or outside agitators, sexual and

moral degenerates and, worse, they were called everything but the name their parents gave them. their faith was questioned. their lives were threatened. their patriotism challenged and yet what could be more american than what happened in this place? [ applause ] what could more profoundly vindicate the idea of america than plain and humble people, unsung, the downtrodden, the dreamers not of high station, not born to wealth or privilege, not of one religious tradition but many coming together to shape their country's course. >> and on that day obama also walked across the edmund pettus bridge, the bridge where those protesters, where those marchers were beaten 50 years ago.

walked across that bridge with his family and other politicians including former president george w. bush. all of them walking in remembrance of that day in 1965 when hundreds of demonstrators embarked on that 50-mile journey. what was supposed to be a 50-mile journey from selma to montgomery. instead, they were met with billy clubs, they were met with tear gas, they were met with state troopers who beat them in some cases to within an inch of their life on that bridge. 17 demonstrators were hospitalized that day including now-congressman john lewis who suffered a skull fracture. in eight days after that march in 1965, eight days later after the entire nation, after the entire world looked on at what happened on that bridge, eight days later, president lyndon johnson addressed a joint session of congress and called on congress to enact voting rights legislation, to enact what those marchers had been looking for. johnson ended that speech that day with the words "we shall overcome." and months after that, the legislation that he called for, that those demonstrators called for, it was passed by congress,

and it was signed into law by the president. that was 1965. then just about two years ago on june 25th, 2013, the united states supreme court struck down the heart of the voting rights act, struck down the heart of that law passed in response to selma in 1965. in a 5-4 decision, the court invalidated a key provision of the law. a provision thereat allows some states, mostly states in the south, to change their election laws without any advanced approval from the federal government. when that ruling came down in 2013, there were calls for congress to act, calls for congress to make changes to the voting rights act so it would still have teeth even after that supreme court ruling which are calls that have yet to be answered now nearly two years later. also the call that president obama renewed this weekend in selma. >> right now in 2015, 50 years after selma, there are laws across this country designed to make it harder for people to

vote. as we speak, more such laws are being proposed. meanwhile, the voting rights act, the culmination of so much blood, so much sweat and tears, the product of so much sacrifice in the face of wanton violence, the voting rights act stands weakened. its future subject to political rancor. how can that be? the voting rights act was one of the crowning achievements of our democracy, the result of republican and democratic efforts. president reagan signed its renewal when he was in office. president george w. bush signed its renewal when he was in office. 100 members of congress have come here today to honor people who were willing to die for the right to protect it. if we want to honor this day, let that 100 go back to

washington and gather 400 more and together pledge to make it their mission to restore that law this year. that's how we honor those on this bridge. >> in politics we have a tendency sometimes to romanticize the past, talk about how there used to be more cooperation between the parties, there used to be less posturing of yesterday's politicians. maybe weren't quite as obsessed with the next election or how things used to be better. that's how we like to talk about politics. a lot of that is complete nonsense. a lot of times it's just not the case at all. but not when it comes to the voting rights act. for decades after 1965 it really was that rarest of things in politics, a truly bipartisan issue, a nonpartisan issue, maybe even, one that both parties were for overwhelmingly. ronald reagan, he signed its renewal back in 1982. president george w. bush, another republican who again was there this weekend sitting beside the first lady.

george w. bush he also championed and signed the renewal of the voteing rights act less than 10 years ago in 2006. >> the voting rights act that broke the segregationists' lock on the ballot box rose from the courage shown on a selma bridge one sunday afternoon in march of 1965. on that day african-americans including a member of the united states congress john lewis -- [ applause ] -- marched across the edmund pettus bridge in a protest intended to highlight the unfair practices that kept them off the voter roll. i am proud to sign the voting rights act reauthorization and amendments act of 2006. >> george w. bush back in 2006 saying he was proud to sign into law the reauthorization of the voting rights act. and the senate vote that made that signing possible back in 2006, the vote on the voting rights act in the senate that

year, 98-0 unanimous vote and in the house that year, it wasn't exactly unanimous but it was overwhelming, overwhelming and bipartisan. 33 no votes, 33 republican no votes against it, everyone else voting was for it. the overwhelming majority of republicans for that in 2006 but in 2013 the voting rights act was dealt that severe blow by the supreme court and since then things have changed. congressman bob goodlatte, chairman of the house judiciary committee, told reporters he doesn't think any changes to the voting rights act are needed right now. even without what the supreme court took out of it, the voting rights act provides the protections it needs to provide. the senator did vote to reauthorize it in 2006. he was one of the yes votes. so this used to be a bipartisan thing. it really no longer is. yeah, there are some republicans like then house majority leader

eric cantor working to restore parts of the law after the ruling. but eric cantor is gone booted out in the republican primary last year. in fact, as of friday evening, the night before the president was to speak in selma, as of friday evening no members of the republican congressional leadership who thought the 50th anniversary of selma was important enough to send anyone until a last-minute change of heart when house majority leader kevin mccarthy, the number two republican in the house announced he would in fact, make the trip. he did make the trip. he was there on saturday in selma. today only a small handful of republicans in congress say that they see a need for the voting rights act to be restored fully, republicans like congressman jim sensenbrenner of wisconsin. >> i am committed to restoring the voting rights act as an effective tool to prevent discrimination, more subtle discrimination now than overt discrimination. my job is to fix the voting rights act. now, the first thing we have to do is to take the monkey wrench that the court threw in it out

of the voting rights act and then use that monkey wrench to be able to fix it so that it is alive, well constitutional and impervious to another challenge that will be filed by the usual suspects. i'm with you on this. this is something that has to be done by the end of the year so that a revised and constitutional voting rights act is in place before the 2014 election season, both primaries and general elections. >> has to be done by the end of the year. the year congressman sensenbrenner was talking about there, 2013, two years ago. now sensenbrenner is sponsoring a bill with democratic congressman john conyers of michigan a bill that would reinstate parts of the act that the supreme court gutted out. there were only six republicans co-sponsoring the bill, six republicans out of all of the

republicans nearly 250 of them in the house of representatives. among those republicans who are co-sponsoring that bill, republican congressman charlie dent of pennsylvania, and joining us now is republican congressman charlie dent of pennsylvania. congressman, i really appreciate you taking a few minutes to join us tonight. let me start with the bottom line question. the bill that you have your name on, we talked about the margins back in 2006 when it was 390-33 in the house to reauthorize it. if the bill with your name on it right now came to the floor and not a vote, would it pass? >> absolutely. and, steve, thanks for having me on the show. i absolutely believe that the sensenbrenner bill that would reauthorize the voting rights act that changes the formula would pass overwhelmingly and with strong republican support. true, only six republican co-sponsors. i believe there's considerably more republican support for the bill than there are co-sponsors. >> so what is the holdup here?

i look back. we say this used to be such a bipartisan issue and really when you look back at the voting rights debate back in the '60s, it wasn't just moderate liberal republicans, but some of the most conservative republicans in congress back then were behind the voting rights act in the 1960s, and that was a story through reagan and bush. if you say the vast majority of republicans would be for it, why isn't it getting a vote? >> well, obviously the bill has been held up in the committee, and you're correct, steve, back in the 1960s, larger percentages of republicans voted for it than did democrats back then, so there is great republican support for that, but right now i think there's some issues with some on the judiciary committee and i'm not sure why i understand what their issues are. that said, what sensenbrenner laid out i think is a very -- i think he threads the needle, let's put it that way. he threads the needle and protects states' rights and voting rights and does it in a way to prevent discrimination and i think it should be given a very serious -- very serious look by my colleagues.

it's a good way to proceed. in fact, under the sensenbrenner bill, four states would be in preclearance as opposed to nine that were in preclearance under the old formula. i think it strikes a good balance. you mentioned congressman john lewis, an icon of the civil rights movement. he's very supportive of this bill. so i believe if it gets a fair consideration, it will sail through just like in 2006 when i voted for that reauthorization, as well. i was proud to support it. again, this voting rights act is the most significant piece of civil rights legislation ever passed in american history. >> but let me ask you this way in terms of where resistance might be coming from. i don't imagine we would hear it it publicly. in politics it's true on basically any issue in politics. politicians often think about their own political self-interests. are there republicans you think who look at this and say president obama got something like 97%, 98% of the black vote, democrats routinely get 90%-plus

of the black vote. in the last 50 years, since 1965 there hasn't been a single republican presidential candidate who's gotten more than 20% support among black voters. is there a self-interest politically here for republicans where they look at this and say there is simply nothing in this for us if we do this we're helping democrats? >> i really don't. i think there are some members probably representing the states that are in preclearance that feel like they've been on the probation list forever and that their states are not the same today as they were in 1965 and, therefore, that there should be -- they should be given better consideration than has been the case given their history. now, that said, the sensenbrenner bill does allow jurisdictions. states that have been violation free for ten years, they're out of preclearance. i think that's really the issue. and i say preclearance for your listeners. i mean many of these states must have the justice department approve whatever changes those

states make to their election laws. so those states always had to go through justice department. a way to get out and now we set up a national model so any jurisdiction could potentially go into preclearance. i don't think any republicans are looking at this saying we haven't done well in the african-american community. therefore, we should punish them by not approving the voting rights act. i do believe our members, some still have questions because this can be a little complex for some who aren't familiar with it. it strikes the right balance. sensenbrenner has done a great job with it. >> republican congressman charlie dent from pennsylvania one sponsoring the bill after the supreme court ruling. thank you for your time tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. all right. we have a lot to get to including some really fascinating and surprising new information about the 2016 presidential race. brand new polling out tonight that will surprise you. plus a brief appearance by kim kardashian on this show. just don't tell rachel. i promise it is for a good cause. a lot more ahead. stay with us. efend against these occasional digestive issues...

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wisconsin is now officially a right-to-work state. governor walker signing into law that controversial bill that makes union dues optional for workers. wisconsin governor scott walker signing into law a bill today to make his state a so-called right-to-work state, a major blow to unions in wisconsin, passed the state assembly in a party line vote, all the democrats voting against it, all the republicans voting for it. in right-to-work states workers can choose not to pay union dues if they don't want to even though, as union backers point out, they can still reap the benefits of a contract that union negotiates. waging political war with unions has become one of scott walker's calling cards. remember the massive protests back in 2010 when he signed a law dramatically cushing the power of public employee unions? but the effort to recall walker from office over that failed. he also won re-election as governor just last fall meaning he has now won three statewide elections just since 2010. and this is a story that he, scott walker, believes can make him the republican candidate for president next year.

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we talked earlier in the show about how only at the last minute did republican congressional leaders send a representative to selma this weekend. well, there was one major political figure who was absent, conspicuously absent from selma. hillary clinton. instead of being in selma, clinton was in miami on saturday for an event sponsored by the clinton global initiative. the decision to go to her family foundation event over the selma anniversary earned hillary clinton some bad press. it's also a reminder the heat is starting to turn up on her, by all measures she's getting ready to run for president again, and so she's going to be facing more and more scrutiny over her decisions. and the criticism over her decision to skip selma is nothing compared to the other thing on hillary clinton's plate right now. >> mr. president, when did you first learn that hillary clinton used an e-mail system outside the u.s. government for official business while she was secretary

of state? >> at the same time everybody else learned it, through news reports. >> do you think your wife's been treated fairly with the e-mails? >> i'm not the one to judge that. >> president clinton, what's your opinion? >> i shouldn't be making news on this. >> what i would like is for her to come forward and say what the situation is because she is the pre-eminent political figure right now. she is the leading candidate, whether it would be a republican or democrat for the next -- to be the next president, and i think that she needs to step up and come out and say exactly what the situation is. you know, some people say -- >> the silence is hurting her? >> -- she had a server in her -- i think from this point on the silence is going to hurt her. >> that was democratic senator

dianne feinstein from california just yesterday telling nbc's chuck todd that hillary clinton needs to explain why as secretary of state she conducted all of her official state department business over a personal e-mail account. clinton has been plagued by bad press about this topic ever since "the new york times" first broke the story last week. now to be clear, hillary clinton remains the overwhelming favorite, stress that the overwhelming favorite to win the democratic nomination for president next year. in a new nbc poll out just tonight, the number of democrats who say they can see themselves supporting her is a whopping 86%. and democratic women in the senate have basically been a united front in her favor for awhile now. for example, on this show, rachel's tried to make the case that moderate missouri senator claire mccaskill is perhaps the most electable democrat out there right now, but mccaskill has been adamant. she says she wants hillary to run. she says she'll support her if she does. so now for dianne feinstein, for a fellow democrat, for a powerful longtime member of the u.s. senate to come out and say

hillary needs to step up and speak up about the e-mail situation, to say she'll be in trouble if she doesn't do that, well, that's a pretty big deal. it's also not clinton's strategy, or at least it hasn't been her strategy so far. it's been more than a week and still hasn't said anything in public about any of this. she did put out one tweet saying that she's asked the state department to release her e-mails, but in general this scandal is yet another remind of how long hillary clinton has been out of day-to-day campaign-style politics, and even though she remains a huge public figure, has been able to stay on the spotlight mostly on her terms for the last few years. the question is, can she afford to keep trying to do that? to keep trying to do that? can she afford to keep ignoring questions and keep refusing interviews, to keep staying out of public except for occasional and highly scripted appearances where she only talks about what she wants to and nothing else? another new 2016 poll that just came out today, the marist poll,

shows scott walker one of her potential republican challengers closing in on her. she may be in great shape with her own party, but what about the rest of the country? how does all this look to them? there are signs people in the clinton camp are beginning to take this situation more seriously. longtime supporters like james carville and lanny davis coming to her defense vociferously, and over the past few hours reports have emerged that she will finally address the e-mail situation at some point this week, maybe within the next few days. so what should we expect? will it signal a turn ing point in hillary clinton's strategy and enough to curb the slew of bad press she's received? joining us now, anne gearan reporter for the "washington post" covering hillary clinton tonight. thanks for joining us. >> happy to be here. >> let me ask you what you're hearing then. we've heard nothing from hillary clinton publicly for a week now. are you hearing that we will hear from her in the next couple of days? >> well, i mean we haven't -- not that we haven't heard anything from her publicly. she has been part of a couple of the sort of scripted events that --

>> on the e-mail question, we've heard zero. except for this week. >> right. exactly. exactly. when dianne feinstein says you're doing it wrong, you have a problem, and she has to confront that problem because it's gone beyond the argument that she and her defenders can make that this is not a big deal or a completely manufactured republican hit job, it's definitely gone beyond that at this point so she'll have to respond. we don't know in what venue or exactly when, but she will have to do this in some way that directly and fully confronts the major question involved here, which is why was the e-mail system set up the way it was when it was? what was her thinking at the time? >> and when dianne feinstein comes out, as we say, it's a big deal. it is the fact that somebody in her own party, when she has those poll numbers, would say that. does that speak to something broader in the democratic party

right now, frustrations with how she's handled this issue, maybe frustrated with how she's handling public appearances in general? >> well, i can't speak for dianne feinstein, but there definitely is a sentiment that sort of where there's frustration on two fronts. one is, why hasn't the clinton camp handled this better? that's sort of a short-term problem and, second, the source of frustration is the idea that she's it, and whatever she says goes. and you alluded to this a bit in your introduction. i mean, she has been able to dictate the terms of just about everything so far and in a way that she certainly wasn't able to when she ran eight years ago and the way -- or six years ago and the way the republicans are now. i mean, we got a zillion republicans out there, and they're all, you know having a feeding frenzy on one another. there isn't that same dynamic happening on the democratic side. she's it. so when -- >> she's the only show in town. >> she's the only show in town and when she says she's going to

do something, she does it on her own terms, and when she doesn't, feel like doing it apparently thus far she's been able to not do it. this is a real test i think in terms of how far -- like how long is that leash? how far does she get to say i'm not playing that game? i'm not doing things the way you want me to do. >> yeah. so, i mean what about, too, what we're hearing today, landy dyny davis is out there, james carville out there on networks saying all of this basically saying he kept saying all of this, all of the questions about her e-mails and all of the things she has yet to address are right wing talking points and reminds me of her initial response to the lewinsky scandal, a vast right wing conspiracy and trying to bring that language back into this. can they do that? >> no, i mean respectfully, no. i mean if it -- you don't have to have talked to any republican in the last week to have the same basic question i posed a moment ago, why did she set up a parallel e-mail system to the

state department one? i mean, there may be an explanation for it. great. let's hear it. but that has nothing to do with it being a republican hit job. that's a simple question of public accountability. >> right, and especially when there's the fact here as well that the president himself, that this was his administration saying you can't be keeping things -- >> oh, and, by the way, the president was e-mailing with her on that account. it's not like it was a secret. >> right. anne gearan reporter for the "washington post." thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. when was the last time you gave much thought to your wrists? that's right. your wrists. take a moment to ponder the humble wrist because it turns out the wrist is the key to the future of everything. we'll try to explain that coming up. u? aleve, proven better on pain. it's a significant improvement over the infiniti we had... we went around the country talking to people who made the switch to ford. the brand more people buy. and buy again. oh i love it... we test-drove the escape... we both said, "i think that's the one"...

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i really have no idea what any of that means. i know that apple's ceo tim cook held another one of his big blowout events today. today's headliner was the apple watch which apparently is going to be available next month. it's a wearable device that pairs with your iphone, lets you do everything from checking e-mail and weather, and the time, it monitors your health order uber pay your bar tab, make a call. prices start at $349. there are multiple face sizes and straps that escalate the price quickly. and i know it's going to be a huge hit because i know it's an apple product and apple products are always big hits. this show is not supposed to be qvc. it usually is not about covering the latest gadgets and gismos. if it was that i wouldn't be the guy here to guest host it tonight. but the announcement from apple is a different thing. back in september when the apple watch was first announced one of the show's most popular guests was on hand for it and hailed it as an iphone or ipad level

moment. this is jenny today wearing the luxury version of the new apple watch which is fitted with superdurable 18 karat apple gold if that's really a thing. it will run you more than $10,000. $10,000. i thought watches were supposed to go the way of fax machines. i don't wear a watch anymore because i have a cell phone and the cell phone is supposed to replace the watch. that's what i thought. it's hard for me to understand importance of a development like this. seriously, this is what i picture when i think of apple's developers and designers hard at work. it's completely foreign to me, and that is exactly why i'm bringing in a specialist. joining us now, someone the show trusts implicitly when it comes to these issues. jenny is co-editor of boingboing.net. let me ask you a whole question. i thought they don't wear wristwatches anymore because the i foen has the time on it, our e-mail, everything. what's going on here?

>> steve it's not about the tick tock. it's like a benevolent trojan horse. it's like a small networked computer that you wear in a form of a wrist watch. the idea is wearable computing. wearable communication. so the ability to, as you mentioned, pay for goods and services with a flick of your wrist, to read your heartbeat, to send your heartbeat to your loved ones or draw a little doodle to your wife or your kids or your mom. all kinds of things are possible. and as with other apple products, like when the ipad launched, it's one of those design moments where you don't know that you actually need it until you have it in your hands. >> is that part of the appeal of apple here, too? i say i know it's going to be a hit because it's an apple product. can apple basically put anything out and people are going to buy it? they can make up a -- oh yeah you really need this gizmatron

for your kitchen and everybody would buy it because it's apple? >> at this point they have a strong enough track record with innovative products, at the end of the day we're going to be suckers and try them out. what's most interesting about the watch is not what happens at launch. this is the tip of the iceberg. and once they're out there in the wild and developers start trying new things that are a little bit off brand or maybe etch conflict with apple's ideas of what ought to be happening with the watch that's when things are going to get interesting. part of what's so interesting is apple has this huge huge footprint. they have a massive app store, massive user base. it's completely different than an upstart company trying something similar. >> i guess in the doomsday science fiction world or whatever when we talk about the advance of technology you talk about we're turning into robots the rise of the robots. that kind of thing. when you look at this thing, it

seems like you're packing, condensing more and more functionality, more and more purposes into a smaller and smaller thing that now we're going to be wearing, apparently. i do look at it, and i think this is the mark to becoming a robot. >> relax, steve. it's going to be fun. it's a smaller device, so you won't get in trouble as often for diverting your attention away from the people or things you actually want to enjoy. i think the idea is to get the device out of the way and make the computing and communication experience what's really the focus. >> i'm gong back to wall-mounted clocks and, you know yeah. >> grandfather clock on your wrist, right? >> exactly. something like that. xeni, co-editor of boingboing.net. now it is time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening to you, lawrence. >> steve, the apple watch was explained in 1899 by a very important economist of the day, two words, conspicuous consumption.

>> there it is. >> that's all it is. steve, thank you very much. >> all right, lawrence. well, president obama says republican senators now have something in common with some of the leaders in iran and the university republican senators now have something in common with some of the leaders in iran, and the university of oklahoma has one less racist fraternity tonight. and congressman aaron schock tried to explain to his constituents why he spends so much of their money on decorating his office and luxury travel. >> uh, it's an unusual coalition. >> a responding to a letter sent by 40 republican senators to iran. >> this letter is a hard slap. >> it's deeply irresponsible. >> iran's leaders need to know that a deal not approved by congress won't be accepted by congress. >> what we're going to focus on right now is seeing if we can get a deal right now. >> significant ma alpha epsilon has shuttered its chapter at the university of oklahoma. >> the video shows multiple people chanting racial