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show "donny" which i'm going to be in by the way, i have a role. >> i am too. >> donny deutsch. arm pert role. you like my idea? >> i like your idea. >> when am i gonna be on? >> debuts in october. >> when do i do rehearsals and makeup and everything? >> this trailer that we have booked for you that is an entire city block. i'm on it. i'm so excited. >> unbelievable. >> one of the episodes joe turns me into an evangelical christian. >> i'm gonna try to convert him. he convinces me that's going to be an evangelical christian. >> i can't wait for this show to come out. >> and he is gonna -- just doing it to pick up women, just like he does when he goes to central park. you have to go down south. he is gonna take you to florida. >> no, no -- >> pensacola. >> churches up here. >> we die dress. there are. not that they will let you in the doors.

willie, i don't know this $10,000 watch thing by am i don't know it went over so well. the stock went down but then again, their stock went down after they announced theism pod. the 10,000 one probably suspect gonna make a lot of people happy but there is a 349 and a 399, if your budget calls. cheaper. >> need for it? >> doesn't it just do everything this does? really gonna say -- >> this is the reason we don't wear watches anymore. >> here is the thing though i will say this we tried the samsung watch and it was maybe a year or two, way too clunky. if you're like writing, instead of going like this and going like this if i can go like this, text joey. joey i'm gonna be home tonight at 5:30 and keep reading my newspaper or keep doing whatever that will work but got to be like that. [ snapping ] not in the street. not wearing google glasses at a restaurant. >> and talk. >> apple brand has always built

itself on you know bettering your quality of life plus design and this obviously, the design will be there, just not quite sure where this makes your life better. >> anecdotal questions on the set yesterday, walter isaacson and joe both said they lose their watches. sarah eisen says she doesn't wear one. >> i don't wear one, i always lose them. wouldn't that look cool? you can get a lot of dates if you went out to a really nice restaurant with donny, wearing the google glasses and get the watch and the whole time just talking. then you know you're streaming. watching "house of kardcards"? >> how about in a church? >> can't let too much of the plot. >> all morning about the batch because the lead story is just -- >> the watch. >> i don't know about your party. i would be embarrassed today if i were you. >> you say that about my party all the time. >> saying it today. it just -- come on guys really? >> why? why? >> this morning, the front page of the daily news is calling 47

gop senators traitors pause they sent a -- this is what they did. they sent a warning letter to tehran about a possible nuclear deal. >> yep. >> yeah. the paper, which has called the president feckless for negotiating with iran contends the senators for betraying the u.s. constitutional question it was written by freshman senator tom cotton of arkansas who says he opposes the talks with iran. >> this letter is about nothing more than stopping iran from getting a nuclear bomb. the united states and our allies cannot live with a nuclear iran. >> the letter states that any possible deal requires congressional approval. if lawmakers are not on board, the letter says it would be an executive agreement adding "the next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen." >> that's true. >> future congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time. that's true as well. >> four potential republican candidates for president signed the letter. >> lindsey graham sign it had? >> yes, they did.

>> i never saw that coming. >> seven republican senators did not sign including foreign relations committee chairman possible corker. >> possible corker not -- not especially happy about this and he let the word out he didn't think this was such a great idea because he has a bill along with senator menendez that's hoping to get a veto-proof majority on. and he believes this may get in the way of that >> just might. here's how president obama responded. >> i think it's somewhat ironic to see some members of congress wanting to make common cause with the hardliners in iran. it's an unusual coalition. i think what we are gonna focus on right now is actually seeing whether beck get a deal or not. and once we do then we will -- if we do then we will be able to make the case to the american people and i'm confident we will be able to implement. >> vice president joe biden had a tad bit of a stronger response, saying in part "the

letter expressly designed to undercut a sitting president in the midst of sensitive international negotiations is pea neath the dignity of an institution i revere. in 36 years in the united states senate i cannot recall another instance in which senators wrote directly to advise another country, much less a long time foreign adversary, that the president does not have the constitution a.m. authority to reach a meaningful understanding with them." iran's foreign minister also weighed in calling the republicans' letter "a prop dan da ploy." >> so mika americans obviously very skeptical about this still, 71% of the people say a deal's not going to stop iran from getting a bomb but talk about this letter and again we will show you the daily news. again, really tough from a newspaper that actually opposes a deal with iran. >> yeah. >> what are your thoughts? >> my thoughts are if anyone had any reservations that what the

republicans did when they brought benjamin netanyau to congress to address congress was not an effort to undercut the president, this then could perhaps seal the deal in your mind, that everything they do is absolutely focused in an almost obsessive and destructive way to undermine the president and to undermine the president's effort to get a deal as opposed to going to war. thank you, senator cotton very much for stepping in. we don't need that. >> i think we will be talking to tom cotton in about 30 minutes. that's great. we will ask him why he thinks it was so necessary to do this 'cause it was really destructive. >> it sets a very bad press dent. >> i disagree with you, but go ahead. >> thish issue asaid, sets a scary precedent, open season for any branch of the government to reach out to any other prafrnl of any other government there is a decorum, a way of doing business, there is a constitution. and regard its, by the way, i'm against the treaty also but there's just something

fundamentally wrong. it is not the way we do business in this country. >> katy? >> i tend to agree with joe biden. this is beneath the dignity of the senate this is not the way the senate operate. we have a couple of weeks left on these negotiations until the deadline that comes in at the end of march. there's another deadline two months after that. is it that difficult to bait for two and a half months? and especially to come up with a letter like this reaching out to a foreign government that is an adversary, directly and then offer nothing alternative? now, i think that's what's shocking here. they are not coming up with an alternative scenario saying actually, let's try this. they are just trashing a negotiation that is incredibly sensitive, is very touch and go. and they are adding weight to the scales of not making that work. >> jeff flake is one of the seven senators who did not sign it republican from arizona. i tend to agree with his point of view which is i don't think this rocks the foundation of our democracy you he said it is just not a useful negotiation tactic. it is not going to help push

along, if you want to reach a certain end in this negotiation, this does not help you get there. >> yep. i would be in a tough position if i decide what i was going to do like the netanyahu speech i agree with the ends. i don't necessarily like the means. in this case i don't necessarily like the means here and i was thinking as i read this story that i don't know what i would do. i don't know what i would do because i wouldn't want to undercut the commander in chief in the middle of negotiations. and then on the other handing you have the commander in chief saying he is not going to act like all other commander in chiefs and let the senate who has cops tuesdayal oversight authority, to look at such treaties, said he is not going to let the senate have any oversight to this. if the president said hey, listen i'm going to negotiate this and then i'm going to do what the constitution tells know do and we're going to have the senate determine whether they want to pass this treaty or not, then that would be fine. the president has stated that not only is he not going to put

this up for a vote you he is not going to give the united states senate any input at all in the negotiations. and i think for something this critical, this important, i think just like a lot of the soviet deals that were struck you know you need to have the senate way in. >> is that grounds to write a letter to tehran? it seems to me, you should write a letter to the president. >> and that's the problem. >> right. i think this -- this provoked. i think it unnecessarily provoked. i can't -- i can understand though senators, democrats and republicans alike, who are frustrated with this president for saying that's not going to actually listen to what the united states senate has to say to this. this did not come out of left field. they didn't just wake up one morning and say we are going to undercut the president. this came after the president said i'm not going to listen to the senate. i'm not going to even give the senate any input into this.

>> it was a campaign issue for some of the republican freshmen who are now in the senate. we know that. of course it didn't come out of left field. they have been going around the last few months saying this is their number one foreign policy priority. tom coughlin got elected, got into the senate and made waves very fast over the issue. >> if i were running any where the republican or democrat this would be one of my top issues. i have said it on the air here. isis is horrible. the purplings are outrageous. the beheadings are outrageous. but a nuclear iran is so much more dangerous to the future safety of this country, the future safety of the middle east to the future safety of israel than isis ever will be. send a letter to tehran? >> you keep saying reckless. first of all, they are senators. >> just stupid. >> you keep saying reckless and keep staying is destructive. guess what? netanyahu gave a speech. he is pack in israel. who knows. he may even lose that race. you kept saying that was destructive. the republic lives. the republic stands.

you sound like all those republicans that every time barack obama passes a pill they go to the house floor and they go tonight, democracy died. >> no actually, i don't. >> you know what democracy didn't die. this isn't destructive. they sent a piece of paper to lunatics in tehran. >> joe, would you not sign that letter. would you not sign that letter. >> would not sign that letter. >> of course not. >> but if my colleagues did sign that letter i wouldn't go over them and say this is destructive. i would go really? really guys? i probably -- that would be my reaction. like donny said not destructive. not -- they are not traitors. it may not have opinion the smartest political move. it may not have done what bob corker is trying -- >> actually don't know whether it was destructive or not pause we don't know the impact that this is gonna have to the hard liners in tehran whether they will call up people in the negotiating people in geneva and say we don't know this is going to happen let's pull. which is where the real battle

is. >> you call that destructive, i call that progress. i don't want to -- >> settle this. >> i don't want to deal most of the -- the majority of the people in the senate don't want to deal. the imagine xbrority of people in the house don't want to deal and 71% of americans don't think a deal is worth the paper that it is written on based on this nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. i see that as positive. >> the onus is to come up with an alternative scenario and that's not when wither hearing. we're not hearing an alternative scenario. >> who decided we can trust iran, the epicenter of -- >> that is different. >> but barack obama, you just said it yourself you said, well what's the alternative? the alternative is don't do a deal with the devil. that's the alternative. >> the alternative is what? let them carry on as they are, unfettered the sanctions -- military action? >> continue with sanctions until they don't come to the table and say we are not going to do 20 years, wither gonna do 10 years.

the president seems to me and i could be wrong, i have been wrong before here many times. >> majority. no. no. maybe once. >> 50/50. i think i was wrong twice. first time letting you on the set. >> oh. >> i love you, donny, i'm joking. but the thing is we've been looking for moderates in iran willie since 1979. and every time we look for moderates in iran we get screwed. i could go through the list. we get screwed time and time again, while dr. brzezinski was negotiating to get our american hostages home '86, we got screwed pie mcfarland everybody else involved. and i just -- nothing's changed over there. i see no reason why we should be desperate for a deal. >> i agree with that. >> with the number one exporter of terrorism in the world. . >> there is a question, even with a deal, do you trust them to monitor -- be able to monitor their progress, even if it is 10

years, what if it is 20 years? are we going to be able to go in and watch whether or not they are putting the pieces together on this? the larger question on this letter, mika points out, the relationship, the sad state of the relationship between the president and congress that they can't communicate, pack channel, everything is out front in public. >> the negotiations. >> listen to what fwhant said last week forget this letter. what he said is right on. >> now you just gave mika hives. >> no -- >> how is this different, i guess? open this up for the table, how is this going to be different for the deal struck with north korea, we told it was going to be verifiable and we gave them tons of money and they ended up building a nuclear weapon? >> not going to be different and that is the problem. we should not do the deal but the letter was still stupid. >> we don't know if it's going to be different is the honest answer. all we can say is you set in place the system for monitoring and if the iran yaps start to renege on the system for monitoring, then the deal comes back under question again. >> we got to go to break.

really quickly. they want this deal to happen? >> the p-5 is more interested in a deal clearly, otherwise they won't be there negotiating with the germans. >> right. >> okay. we have a lot to get to. still ahead on "morning joe" senators tom cotton dick durbin and kirsten gillibrand joins us live. a major train accident leaves 60 people injured with pause, the third serious crash in less than two months. and an update on's e-mails. perhaps word in the next 48 hours from hillary clinton herself. >> pretty remarkable polls out there. >> remarkable arguments in her defense. they are just -- >> really? >> they are perplexing. >> james carville? nothing but two bit flea circus coming to town on a rodeo head.

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time to take a look at the morning papers. the raleigh news and observed, more than 60 people injured yesterday when an amtrak train collided with a tractor trailer in halifax, north carolina. the truck, carrying a mobile home-sized structure, was being escorted pie state troopers as it made its way to new jersey. it was halfway through a railroad crossing when the train hit. amtrak says there were 212 passengers and eight crew members on board the train at the time of the accident. none of the injuries are considered life threatening but yet another accident now. the washington times, the american civil liberties union is siding with the washington redskins saying voiding the trademark violates the team's freedom of speech. the aclu has filed paperwork in support of reversing a federal court decision to strip the team of the rights to its logo. while the aclu did acknowledge the team name should be changed because it's offensive, the aclu main tapes that issue is separate from its trademark. okay. the "los angeles times" a new parenting study shows that parents who believe their kids

are better and more deserving than other children can create young narcissists. >> you know my mom always told me that. >> yes. >> my mother always said that. >> there are so many things i could say right now. >> attack me she would say, just jealous of you, joe. >> young narcissists. mm-hmm. the first signs of narcissistic tendencies begin to show around age 8. >> check. >> parents and their kids were both interviewed and researchers found over the course of the study, the more parents overvalued their kids the more narcissistic the kid's responses came. >> donny, your mother give you the crown and sentcepter when you were 7 or 8? >> that study is true. sometimes mothers, like joe's mother -- >> tell us we are very special and we can do anything and it wreaks this. i love you but -- you know -- >> it does reek.

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from talking to senator tom cotton about his letter to iran warning about a possible nuclear deal. but first, former vermont governor howard dean tells us why he believes that letter borders on treason. >> that's shock. >> there we go. we will be right back.

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it was legal, wasn't again regulation. colin powell and jeb bush did the same thing, but, oh my god. do you remember whitewater, remember foulgate travelgate, remember pardondate remember benghazi? all of this is just the same cockamamie stuff that we go through. the times get something from some right wing talking points point the story got to walk the story back and everybody, the chin scratchers go oh my god, story's not right but says something larger about the clintons. this is never gonna end. we have lived with this for 20 years. we will live with it for the rest of the campaign. it's all about nothing. >> okay. >> james carville. midseason form already. and the election hasn't even started. >> yeah. i thought it was interesting, i was watching the interview answered actually blamed it on the right. and the funny thing is -- >> to story. >> the "new york times" broke the story and there was even a -- the first couple of days articles that showed that we

covered it more than fox. what right is he talking about? >> the new york times that could havery the story, dianne feinstein says needs to get the information out, white house, david axelrod -- >> what right is he talking about? >> needs to get the information out, says there was no regulations violated. >> james carville. >> 2009 regulations barack obama put in place because he wanted to be one of the most transparent, else, et cetera et cetera, et cetera this is an old routine. we see it time and time again. i want to bring in former governor of vermont and former chairman of the democratic national committee howard dean it. in washington, pull liz zer prize columnist, msnbc analyst, you have written a column about this actually isn't a vast right-wing conspiracy. what do you say? >> this is the first time i have opinion a member of the vast right-wing conspiracy. >> congratulations. >> red letter day. #

the reason it won't stop they keep doing it. i don't know there's anything to hide in these e-mails and i think a good chance there's nothing or not much or nothing to speak of or whatever. i don't understand what the impulse is for the secrecy and the sort of come pip nation of being empateled and entitled that seems to characterize the way the clinton family does business, does politics does everything. >> howard dean i think it was gene i read this morning in the middle of the night, who said at the end, if it wasn't -- just going to say it was gene that they act like there's nothing -- they act like there's something to hide even when there's nothing to hide. >> who said that? >> nothing to hide why do they always act this way? >> i agree with carville find myself rarely disagreeing genewith gene and agreeing with james carville r i bet you anything it

was the right bing that brought this attention -- to the attention of the press. i think that -- the lesson i take out of this this is what i ex-beer against often in 2003, 2004, a pack journalism at its worse. every secretary of state has done it her own isp, doesn't mean she had a server in her house. this was not against the law. this is nonsense. this issis bupkis. >> we trey goud ditch this is "new york times" story, dianne feinstein and other democrats are concerned. secondly, you can go back to john jay, if john jay was the first secretary of state, and say he didn't do it either. the fact is all of that is irrelevant. in 2009 there were regulations that explicitly said that if you do state department business it needs to be done on your state department e-mail and backed up

or backed up by the state department. there is no argument. this is black and white. and the obama administration said this non-stop. so -- >> i would like to see those regulations, joe, i'm not aware of them. what i am aware of is what barack obama signed in 2014 making this illegal. hillary clinton was no longer secretary of state by 2014. >> whoa -- >> trust me let me finish. >> regulations are there, we have been talking about for a week and hillary clinton said e-mails out to her own state department people saying they had to live by the regulation and they shouldn't do -- >> let me ask you this question. yeah. >> do you think the secretary of state of the united states of america ought to be conducting packchannel diplomacy, even outside of the bureaucracy of the state department, because i do and i bet you every single one has, including john jay. maybe not with e-mail in john jay's case. this woman is doing her job. >> i don't know how that's relevant to you doing what the letter and the spirit of the law says. gene? >> i think that's not relevant

actually. and it is interesting to disagree with howard on this. we usually agree on most things. but, look it was common practice in 2009 for cabinet officials to have an official e-mail account. it was just done. and the only reason you wouldn't do it is deliberatelism you would deliberately set up your own domain, clinton e-mail dot come or whatever it was in order and why would you do that? would you do that in order to have control, pause you wanted total control of all your e-mail official and non-official, for whatever reason, just 'cause you are a control freak perhaps. i don't know. but there's no reason you couldn't have an official e-mail account and also your g mail account or clinton e-mail account or whatever else you had and you can use that for backchannel or whatever you wanted to use it for. but the fact that you wanted everything to go through this separate account that you then get to pick and choose what you disclose to the state

department, what you send to be archived, it strikes me as just on its face not the right way to do business. >> i don't think it has anything to do with being archived, those do with -- the state department is a big pure bureaucracy, seen many time there is are rumps in the state department that don't think the secretary matters, that the secretary will be there, will come and go and they should keep doing what they are doing. we see it sometimes in iranian policy. we saw the resignation of i think ten midlevel state department people in the -- when the bush iraq war was going on and when torture was being employed. i understand why she did this. i don't think it's illegal. i have never heard a case it was illegal. joe makes a case there were regulations. first i've heard of t i am going to defend hillary clinton on this. have to be able to do business. sometime you have to circumvent the bureaucracy. all talking about this for ten days. >> that session actually the point. been talking about this for ten days. ridiculous. >> walking in here and saying -- >> pretending nothing ever -- come on, howard. >> pretending you never seen or

heard anything this regulation. everybody in washington, d.c., has been talking about it >> that is the problem, everybody in washington, d.c. is talking about it. let's get serious. heard of the regulation saying that hillary clinton is above the law and shouldn't have to follow. that's nonsense. i didn't say is above the law i don't think she is. i think this is inside-the-beltway nonsense story pitched by a bunch of press people who don't have enough to do with their time and pack journalism at their very worse. >> what she worked on as secretary of state, is that a server belongs to the american people? >> we don't know she had a separate server. we know she had a separate isp and doug that without a separate server. yes, sure, i have no problem. >> i hope she does. handing over papers doesn't help, you can leave some out. i would like her to hand over theism sp the server the -- what she had in her home built to create her own private e-mail system. never good. >> i have no problem with that. >> okay. then we agree. >> howard, you not troubled at all about the idea of her using exclusively personal e-mail if

not from an ethical or legal point of view from a security point of view shooting off e-mails to people that could be hacked very easily? >> may be some of these -- this whole thing is because she wanted security. it may be that the -- and wouldn't be surprise at all to have the state department being much more vulnerable to hacking than her isp. >> howard -- >> isp a lot doctor. >> more vulnerable than her personal e-mail? >> that's right. we don't know. >> actually, we do. what are you doing? what's going on? >> you saying that a state department server in washington, d.c., my head hurts -- are you saying that a state department server in washington, d.c. might be more prone to being hacked than a home-prued system in chappaqua? >> i think if you -- if you know what you're looking for, document think the chinese hack the state department? you don't think they do? you don't think even the germans might after we tapped their -- angela merkel's phone? >> you think it's easier for them to break into the state department's system or to a

home-brewed system in chappaqua, work in. >> depends if you know it's there or not, joe. >> if that was what -- >> very simply -- >> this is laughable on its face -- >> she wasn't using it exclusively. >> 55,000 people received e-mails sent from that address. >> right that address. >> it was pretty known. >> gene robinson we will end with your chuckle, go ahead >> no. no i just think all those foreign governments that are trying to hack into the state department, they might be trying to hack into the clintons, too, you know, 'cause they might -- they might want to hear what they are saying, too. >> okay. are you working with the clintons? >> i am supporting hillary clinton. yes. i definitely am. >>. >> i never -- >> okay. >> what do you think of the way this has been handled by her since the story broke? >> you know my view after the i ran for president was when the press is doing this don't get involved in it. have somebody come out and say what the facts are and stay out of this. as i say before i think this is a bs story. i think it's frothing at the mouth at the part of the washington press corps, they don't have enough to do and easy

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i think it's somewhat ironic to see some members of congress wants to make common cause with the hardliners in iran. it's an unusual coalition. i think what we're going to focus on right now is actually seeing whether we can get a deal or not. >> republican senator from oregon, member of the armed services committee, tom

couldn't organized an open letter to the leaders of iran signed by the 47 republican senators. tom, thank you so much for being with us, not exactly sure where to start. let's start with the daily news. your picture, very good picture of you, by the way, but they are calling you a traitor saying that you have undercut the president of the united states despite the fact they themselves are accuse the president of fecklessness in these negotiations. what do you say to the charges? >> i and 46 other senators are simply speaking for the american people. your own network released a poll saying 71% of americans don't think a deal the president is negotiating will stop iran from getting a nuclear weapon. the point we are making to iran's leaders who, if you talk to many iran experts will say don't understand our constitution is that if congress doesn't approve a deal, congress won't accept a deal, now or in the future. >> what about the president accusing you of being in -- taking up common cause with the hardliners in iran? >> joe, they are nothing but

hardliners in tehran. they have been killing americans for 35 years. they killed hundreds of troops in iraq. now, they control five capitals in the middle east. they are nothing but hardliners in tehran. and if they do -- if they do all those things without a nuclear weapon, imagine what they will do with a nuclear weapon. that's why we are trying to stop them from getting a bomb. >> senator, if i could just ask you what you think of vice president biden's statement on this letter in part where he says that this was expressly designed to undercut a sitting president in the midst of a sensitive, international negotiation. and that it's beneath the dignity of an institution he reveres. i don't know about traitor, but respect you guys tempering with an international negotiation? suspect this undermining the president and the process and wasn't that the point here? >> no. we are making sure that iran's leaders understand that if congress doesn't approve a deal congress won't accept a deal because we are committing to

stopping iran from getting a nuclear weapon. joe biden, as barack obama's own secretary of defense has said has been wrong about nearly every major foreign policy and national security decision in the last 40 years. moreover joe biden so respects the dignity of the institution of the senate he should be insisting that the president submit any deal to approval of the senate, which is exactly what he did on numerous deals during his time in the senate. >> do you really think it was appropriate to end-run the president and the process and send a letter directly to iran? think about those words. do you really think that was appropriate? >> yes. this is about stopping iran from getting a nuclear weapon and iran's leaders need to understand that any deal that gives them a president to a bomb today, tomorrow ten years, 15 years from now will not be accepted by the united states congress. >> but senator, respect we looking a little bit dysfunctional here when you are actually end-running your own president and writing to tehran and isn't that perhaps destructive to the very point that you're trying to make?

how do you actually have firm negotiations or anything else with another country if quite frankly, both parties are coming at you? >> iran's leaders have to understand that while the president negotiates agreements under our constitution congress approves agreements if congress doesn't approve agreement, no future congress nor future president is bound by that agreement. just as barack obama himself has repudiated agreements that were not approved in a formal fashion by the united states congress. >> and that's the point here as we go to willie. that's the point here's is that if a president would do what joe biden when he was in the senate demanded presidents do and bring these sort of deals to the senate for ratification, then actually, they would be owned by the united states of america officially instead of the president just saying i'm going to do this and i'm not gonna give the senate any say in where this negotiation goes. >> senator couldn't it is willie geist. i just had a question for you. it's clear you don't like the terms of the deal that's being

debated right now between john kerry and iran. what would an acceptable deal look like to you? >> complete nuclear disarmament pie iran. >> you they are not gonna do that, right? >> just likely, ya and south africa completely disarmed when they wanted to rejoin the treaty -- the world in repudiating their own nuclear weapons program. iran has a very clear and simple path. they can simply -- they can simply disarm their nuclear weapons program and allow complete and true inspections. as prime minister netanyahu said last week, if they want to be treated like a normal nation they should act like a normal nation. not the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism. >> senator, you and i both know iran is not going to agree to that deal. what is the next step? would you be comfortable with a military confrontation with iran? >> well, like a majority of americans, i think we have to have a credible threat of military force on the table. you the real alternative, as prime minister netanyahu said to a bad deal is a better deal with more sanctions, with confronting iran with only

giving them the choice of the deal that would completely disarm their nuclear weapons program. >> senator cotton it is katty kay here from the bbc. given this is a two-way process, the negotiations the iranians would have to sign up to as well negotiating whatever kind of deem you propose and they probably respect going to get involved in negotiations on anything other than what they are at the table for at the moment, which does lead us to the assumption that the alternative is military action which actually only buys time as well right? it has huge risks attached to it, and doesn't wipe out iran's nuclear program. it just buys us a few years. >> well israel struck iraq's nuclear program in 1981 and they didn't reconstitute t israel struck the nuclear reactor in 2007 they haven't reconstituted it. rogue regimes have with a a way of getting the picture when there is a credible force of military threat to allow the world's worst regimes to get the worst weapons. that is why it is important we have the credible force on the

table to enhance the ability to get a better deal that leads to iran disarming its nuclear weapons program. >> so, senator cotton would you support something that i talked about last week, which was actually allowing iran to build nuclear power facilities like the uae, you facilities that can't be weapon niced, would that be okay? >> well joe, that's point that we've made in the senate is that iran not only lacks the right to enrich urine yum. iran doesn't have a need to enrich uranium there are other countries, you cite one that help civilian nuclear power and they import all their uranium under very tight controls. if iran truly wanted nuclear power for civilian purposes they wouldn't have to pursue the path they have gone down. the only reason they are doing so is they want to develop nuclear weapons capability with a very short breakout so they can have a nuclear um bella to continue exporting terror all around the world. >> so tom, i think i'm probably in the minority -- i am in the minority at this table on this

letter. i'm -- i'm a pit split on it. and i'm not actually sure whether i would have signed the letter or not, whether bob corker play is a point. forget the president, the vice president, forget about the daily news bob corker obviously, very important voice in foreign affairs, republican caucus, doesn't think this letter was a good idea because he thinks it might make this issue a partisan issue. do you think you have just made senator corker's work all the more difficult and what he is trying to do to bring some account billity to this deal? >> possible and i agree, as does every single republican and many senate democrats on the ultimate goal, withcy stopping iran from getting a nuclear weapon. we simply wanted to state clearly to iran's leaders if we don't approve a nuclear deal, we won't accept it and iran's leaders can only be certain that any deal will be lasting if congress approve it is. so i welcome more democrats and republicans to join the letter it is an open letter they can join at any time.

>> did chairman corker ask you not do this or express to you any displeasure? >> joe, i don't want to get into my private conversations but say i talk with all senate republicans, worked with many senate democrats, many senators didn't sign for various reasons but many senators agree with my views, even if they didn't sign the letter. >> there are some that have openly chose.not to sign including possible corker. so i don't know private conversations were like you they probably didn't go very well. well, you don't know, pause you know what -- >> he is not telling us. >> why they call them private coverings. >> he is publicly saying not sign the letter. >> tom couldn't, thank you very much for being with us. we do appreciate it this morning. >> nice to talk to you. >> i would say keep up the good fight, but i'm afraid boy get a -- >> don't say that. >> still ahead, growing outrage after members of the university of oklahoma fraternity were caught on tape. and it is so repugnant. >> my lord. >> what they were saying. using racial slurs. we are going to tell you what the strong statement is ahead on "morning joe." >> oh.

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i don't know why she thought she could -- he would be fired, from any job he ever had. >> exactly. >> shouldn't we get into it a little more depth? >> i don't think so >> this morning, the front page of the daily news is calling 47 gop senators traitors because they sent a warning letter to tehran about a possible nuclear deal. the paper, which has called the president feckless for negotiating with iran still condemns the senators for pea trying the u.s. constitutional system. the letter in question was written by freshman senator tom cotton of arkansas who says he opposes the talks with iran. the letter states that any possible deal requires congressional approval. if lawmakers are on not board, it would be an executive agreement, adding the next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time. president obama accused the lawmakers of "wanting to make common cause with hardliners in iran."

senator cotton rejected that criticism moments ago on "morning joe." >> they have been killing americans for 35 years. they killed hundreds of troops in iraq. now, they control five capitals in the middle east. they are nothing but hard liners in tehran. and if they do -- if they do all those things without a nuclear weapon, imagine what they will do with a nuclear weapon. that's why we are trying to stop them from getting a bomb. >> you know, mika we have disagreed over the past couple of weeks, i think more than we have disagreed to a very long time, disagreed, first of all, on netanyahu's address to congress. i didn't think it was done perfectly, but i thought the message had to get out and actually, i was glad in the end that he came. i don't think it's gonna help him at home politically, it may end up hurting him. and now here, i find it fascinating, you were really offend pied this, i didn't like a lot about it again, but i just -- i don't know if conservatives just inherently

think differently from liberals but when tom cotton was on and i asked him about the hardliners in iran his response was exactly what i thought the second i heard the president saying that they are making common cause with hard liners in iran i just laugh, well they are all hard liners in iran. they all lie. they all have been terrorists since 1979. it has been the epicenter of terrorism since 1979. they are more powerful today than they have ever been. and a nuclear weapon in the hands of iran would be the greatest danger to this world. and it would start an arms race in the middle east. this isn't about israel. all of our sunni allies across the middle east are just as scared. >> like with the naptd speech everything you're saying has nothing to do with whether the letter was right or wrong and the republicans went rogue again and quite frankly did something that was outside the sphere of what is appropriate and possibly even dangerous. and to have a freshman senator drafting letters, sending it to --

>> how is it dangerous? >> quite frankly i think it weakens us from the outside looking in. we look like we don't even -- we don't have our -- together. and quite frankly -- a jv move. he looks like a freshman senator trying to get attention from himself. i agree we having he said. we have a way of doing business in this country and i just -- it's a dangerous precedent to set. >> i heard you say -- i heard you tell senator cotton that you would be unsure whether you would have signed it or not had you been in the senate. . that was polite. >> so i actually thought about that, but go -- go ahead. i think i have come up with my answer. go ahead. >> the letter it would seem to me and several other people i think, means that tom cotton and 46 other senators believe that they have the right to sit at the negotiating table right now with secretary kerry, who has negotiated on behalf of the president of the united states. i -- it's unheard of in history. unheard of. >> okay. so, first of all on whether i

would have signed the letter or not, i have been thinking about it this show is live and goes three hours. >> which talk things out. >> i have no teleprompter, we talk things out. i have thought about it in reading the letter what struck me is this very condescending language, the president of the united states and what the constitution does and does not allow. i would not have signed the letter for that reason alone. first of all, if i were in the senate i would say, hey, listen, this needs to be said in a more respectful way, if you want to say it in a more respectful way, maybe i would sign onto it. i wouldn't sign it there. as far as secretary kerry negotiating this deal where i am in common sauce with tom colton and i think 70% of americans, according to this poll is, i don't trust the iranians. i don't think any deal is a good deal with these irrainians. there are no moderates in iran and at the end of the day, if the president is going to do a deal that is this significant,

then the president can't say i'm going to do this on my own. senate even though the constitution says off constitutional right to weigh in on international treaties i'm not going to do that. the president says he is not going to do this said if anybody tries to pass a bill that allow mess to do that i'm going to veto it. i wish the president said there is going to be a full and robust debate on the floor. if he did that i don't think we would be here. >> don't you think there will be? >> no. >> you don't think there will be a debate on the senate floor? >> might be a debate but the president -- the president said he is going to veto any bill that go up that would give them any input in the final deal. the president -- i do not trust

any president, and if it were a republican president, i would not trust any president doing a deal on nuclear weapons with iran. i just wouldn't. i would want the senate to bayh in. >> interesting, iran has been -- we haven't talked about their reaction pretty dismiss sive of this letter. go to london now, nbc news tehran bureau chief, ali arouzi is with us. i know foreign minister all calls this a propaganda ploy. what else did he say about this letter from tom cotton and a group of 47 republican senators? >> you know he said that it's not constitutional it's not legal. but these guys are a lot more pragmatic. you i think amongst hardliners in iran this is certainly going to reinforce the notion that the united states is an enemy that can't be trusted. any deal signed with them is not going to be copper bottomed even if they do sign a deal, the iranians are going to be looking at a different strategy how to circum navigate u.s. influence in iran. i think the nature of the letter certainly is going to ruffle the feathers of the ruling clerics

in iran see as condescending and threatening. but had this letter been received by the previoused a minute station in iran, ahmadinejad, presidency, they would have had a bombastic and outlandish response, made iran look unreasonable, even western powers that are very soft on iran would have said look this is a country we can't do business. but the rouhani administration is a lot more pragmatic, know how to deal with these things and this letter i think, has played right into their hands much the image irvan portraying at home through speeches through the media is that they are going the extra mile to get this deal done. they are showing the political will. they have adhered to the technical demands of the gob and the americans who don't want to get this deal done. and the way the political situation is panning out for iran is a gift for iran. iran's two big enemies, israel and the united states are having an obviously toxic relationship. there seems to be huge fractures within the u.s. administration. this couldn't be better for

iran. these -- all these situations give a lot of leverage for iran. it makes them look more stage and if this deal was to fall through, the iranians could probably even prang the p5 plus 1, because i know the europeans are champing at the bit to get pack into iran and invest in the country so they may move away from the states so this is all working out quite well for the iranians. >> ally, given everything you just said, use that as your backdrop now where do you put the used of a deal coming together between the kbroonds and iran? >> well willie, people that i have spoken to that are very close in the negotiations say they have made more headway than they ever have before. they said that both sides are showing a political will. i think the iranian negotiators, especially rouhani's team invested a lot of political will into this thing, really want this to happen and they realize this is a very small window of opportunity. so, i think there's a good chance it will happen. the good question is what will happen after a deal because

there are so many moving parts to this so many undetermined moving parts. i think signing on the dotted line suspect going to be the end of the situation. having said that i think they are pretty close. willie? >> all right, ali aroz zpli in our london bureau tehran bureau chief, thanks so much. >> thank you. turning -- >> you wonder why the president let it slip out how close they are. the president said when the deal is done, then he goes well if a deal is done. i mean this guy is so obsessed on getting a deal with iran that i think he will take any deal he can get. >> okay. we are gonna turn now to oklahoma university where a community -- >> you like that grimace? i like that grimace. >> i just -- we have -- >> watching on the radio, when i said that mika looked like she ate three lemons. >> we have another really important story to get to this is -- i can't believe t oklahoma university. this community is trying to rally together this morning after members of a fraternity

chapter were caught on camera chanting racist remarks. the video posted on youtube on sunday shows members of the sigg ga alpha epsilon fraternity using racial slurs and referencing lynching. soon after the it surfaced the university severed ties with the fraternity and launched a full investigation into the matter. >> on campus in norman, oklahoma, there's been a widespread response from condemnation from students and university officials alike. nbc news's correspondent, gabe dput you're rez, has more from oklahoma on that. gabe, good morning. >> reporter: joe good morning. the university's president said he could not eat or sleep after first watching this video. all the members of the fraternity who lived in the house right behind me have been ordered to move out. >> mr. mr. >> reporter: the video first posted sunday has sparked national outrage. now, a second recording from a

different angle shows members of the frat tirnt, sigg ga alpha epsilon or sae at the university of oklahoma chanting racial slurs. >> real sinners are not big gots. >> reporter: ou's president joined hundreds of students a at predawn rally many with tape across their mouths. going through stuff like that it needs to stop. >> my jaw definitely drops. >> reporter: naomi is with the african-american student group that first received the video through an anonymous message on twitter. a lot of people like to say this is postracial america. we are not in postracial america and this is just a huge agencies example. >> reporter: sae suspended the local chapter immediately. >> absolutely appall and shocked at this video and more so we were outraged that any member of sigg dpa alpha epsilon would think this is acceptable. >> reporter: graffiti reading tear it down is written on the sae house and fraternity's letters were removed. across campus heated debate about punishment. >> 'cause i want this to be a

rehab biller to time for them. >> reporter: the university's president did not mince words. >> take them out of here. they don't belong here. and i don't want them here. so, um i hope they do i encourage them i might even pay personal puss fares for them. 'cause they can go somewhere else. just go. >> reporter: students are banding together under the #not on our campus. workers here have been boarding up the windows of the fraternity house behind me. a top ou football recruit has just decommitted and the university has now investigated whether the students in that video may have violated the civil rights act. joe, back to you. all right, gabe thank you so much. >> and the fraternity has now released an updated statement, this one includes a reference to reports of other incidents that reads in part this "we apologize for the unacceptable and racist behavior of the individuals in the video. we are disgusted that any member would act in such a way. several other incidents with chapters or members have been brought to the attention of the

headquarters staff and leaders and each of those instances will be investigated for further action." >> mike barnicle? h gene robinson on sunday, in perhaps the greatest speech of his temp your president obama spoke in selma alabama, and indicated, quite rightly so clearly that we still have many many miles to go in terms of the racial divide in this country, to cross prims in the future. these scenes from oklahoma university are absolutely -- they are beyond appalling, but within them there is the framework of a little light in the conduct of president david boren, former united states senator from oklahoma no committees new york studies, see what's happening. no equivocating. out of here. >> boren has been great commend everything he has said and done. he has been fantastic. president obama talked how far we have come and how different

everything is. and i i have to agree, except where is this coming from? raw, ugly, 1940s, 1950s style kkk racism coming from college kids in 2015. this is weird. this is really -- this is alarming and ugly and this is certainly the worst instance that i've heard of not the only sort of eruption of this sort of thing that i have heard of fairly recently and i want to know where this is coming from. i want to know their parents. i want to know about -- where these kids were raised. i want to know all them. >> i don't know where it's coming from either gene. i would tell you just from looking at the clips, the video clips, the tool with the black toe bo he tie and tuxedo the puss somebody ought to grab him by the bowtie and slap him

across the face. for a weak and i think business taking care of itself. what is scare very what gene said, this is not some 68-year-old guy on a porch in some southern town. these are educated young people. >> having fun with racism. >> you -- you almost wonder do we not sit in reality and is that real reality? >> first of all, who is joining frat concern hits in this day and able? >> the most disgusting thing. >> willie, the fact that it wasn't -- it's not being whispered in the dark this they felt comfort. an. >> sell operating. >> we are all kind of shaken by it. i got to say, i went -- i went to the university of alabama in the '80s, you went to vandy in the '90s? >> '90s. >> i heard racist comes here, just like i hear racist comments in boston or new york. but i never saw anything like that. the university of alabama in tuscaloosa alabama 30 years

ago. 30 years ago. actually used the word lynching. >> see, joe, my hunch is that you -- you're finding this stuff in weird, unexpected maces, or not in -- not in the places where you necessarily would have found it for 40 years ago or 50 years ago. not -- i mean it may be there, too. >> this brings up another point. ferguson missouri. ferguson missouri. >> like it's almost like these are people on islands, like you know, you always heard the story the japanese fighters that fought -- world war ii they didn't get the news for 20 years that the war was over. in oklahoma. missouri, just weird. >> not long ago i was giving a speech at a little college in pennsylvania and they had had some very ugly racial incidents there. it's in weird places. but it's there.

and it's young people who feel liberated or allowed or entitled to do this. to say these things. it is long and disturbing. >> have a chat with their parents. >> oh, yeah. >> see what we come up with. >> that's part of the root of t. >> we got other stuff to get to here. >> more than a chat. let's have more than a chat. >> move on to another story a frightening train derailment monday caught on tape a north bound amtrak train collided with a tractor trailer in eastern north carolina injuring dozens. with us now from halifax, north carolina nbc news correspondent tom costello. tom, good morning. >> reporter: yeah willie, good morning to you. although everybody here my crew is actual talking about oklahoma, but you are right about this train crash. we are about to have a train come through. this happened yesterday afternoon and what you see here is the remains of the flat pedestrian truck that is sitting there, wrapped in blue. the train itself has been picked up and moved but what happened is that truck was stuck on the

tracks and just then the train came through. the entire collision captured on video. from her car near the tracks lessee cipriani captured on video the moment of the train's impact. president clinton an am yak passenger train plowing into a tractor trailer stuck on the tracks. >> oh, my god. the crash was so horrible. i mean it is the worst thing i've ever seen. >> passengers on board described a sudden crush and impact. >> my chair, like jolts me -- i just went flying forward into my tray. >> gives my heart a little pounding. >> i that there was a lady thrown on the ground. >> reporter: the train's lead car seen lying on its side. the car behind it pushed into the nearby woods when it derailed. nearly 60 passengers taken to area hospitals with injuries. thankfully, none was life threatening. the train was traveling from charlotte to new york when it crashed near halifax, north carolina. it struck a loaded tractor trailer stuck on the tracks

while maneuvering to make a left turn. >> due to the course and length of the trailer, that was a little more difficult and of course, the train then approached, stop arms came down, the rail arms came down. as a result the vehicle was stuck. there was nothing that the driver could do. >> reporter: this derailment, the latest in a string of recent collisions. last moment, a metro north train struck an suv in new york killing six people. and just three weeks later, a metrolink train in southern california collided with the truck stuck on the tracks. the engineer of that train later died from his injuries. here in north carolina a fright thing moment cipriani says she will never forget. >> i try not to look at the video too much pause it just breaks my heart. it could have easily been me somebody in my family. >> reporter: we have got about three people still in the hospital. that's of the 60 or so who were injured. those three still in the hospital this morning. but federal rail authority will now take over this investigation. guys, pack to you. >> wild video. tom costello thanks so much. >> thank you tom.

still ahead on morning joe, why jeb bush may be a fragile front-runner this morning in the republican race for 2016 and two potential candidates he should be worried about. chuck todd joins the table with brand new polling on that. why does everyone hate christian later in in the former college and nba star joins us to talk about the new documentary that tries answer that question. >> why would you say everybody hates -- >> i don't know. we will be right back. we will be right back.

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>> velvet lining. >> smoking jacket. paisley on it you should see jon in his bell meade -- >> excited here. >> gets out in his slippers and his smoking jacket. >> previous winners. bell meade country club. >> i love thor is mope, when the previous winners come out. >> with the plum jacket. a moving moment. >> okay guys. done 20 seconds too long. >> really did. all right. so chuck todd a lot of your polling, i want to get to ann's absolutely fascinating story on hillary clinton ex-peer kprens being a liability. first the polls. jeb bush a fragile front-runner you say. why? >> i don't even -- i wouldn't use the word front runner how much more evidence do we need that's not a front runner? he is not leading in any of the early state polls at this point. he is -- you look at -- he has got the lowest ceiling of the nominatable candidates. you look at our poll. we ask this way of doing the primary matchup, not in doing a head to head but asked all the

major candidates frankly anybody thinking about running, could you see yourself supporting this person or not? and it gives you a sense of a floor and ceiling for these guys. poi, does jeb bush have a low ceiling and a high floor. 49-42 sitting there, republican does see themselves supporting him. >> marco rubio very surprised. >> that was the pig surprised. walker didn't surprise me. didn't surprise me he popped. >> you a lot of people marco rubio, 56%. a lot of republican political types are looking at that number scratching their head. >> you look at him, like wow, the most room to grow. i think walker -- no rubio here -- walker the most room to dproerk the least amount of nos. rubio did have a few more nos. if you look at an issue front, you could see why you would rather be walker even than rubio because immigration more than any pathway to citizenship is the biggest non-starter of any of the issues. >> chris christie obviously not good news on this front that you're talking about.

no christie only three candidate also a 50% or more like no way could republicans see themselves supporting him. chris christie was one. lindsey graham was another. and donald trump. when you're in that group, when you're included in a group that says donald trump, that is a problem. >> any reason why inside the polls, what chris christie's problems are why he finds himself there after 18 months ago being hailed -- >> to me, all ideological. i think it is all ideological. look at the lindsey graham number. lindsey, he hasn't had any of the "problems" as far as governing no supposed scandal hanging over his head almost an identical issue. pot of them are just viewed as not traditional copper is vat i was in the mooed dern era. >> christie's ideology hasn't changed a few years ago where he was viewed as the party's gave or. what changed between now and then? >> that was a proceed ya creation. republican primary voters never viewed christie as -- i think

this is similar to the way new york media world treated rudy versus actual republican primary voters viewed rudy. >> john meachum, you look at the question that chuck also had asked that nbc news/"wall street journal" poll asked about is jeb bush the future or the past? those numbers didn't seem to fare too well for jeb either. i wonder how both he and hillary get past just the sheer exhaustion. jeb return to the past 60%, provides new ideas, 27%. and then there's another poll question about ask how important is it to get somebody not in the clinton/bush clan. look at that. absolutely fascinating. so, does the 2016 election, is it about a return to the plant city? >> hey, if it's those two, it is going to be yeah exactly.

my up sense is that governor pump's issue is to what extent can he sell himself as jeb or jeb bush? and you remember him when he ran for governor he was jeb, i think with an exclamation mark. and urge hillary the same thing. worked well for lamar. >> easy on that. i think that everything is a matter of context. so on a stage with rubio, with governor walker will -- with santorum huckabee whomever will bush look like a reasonable, winnable -- winning candidate? and if it's bush/clinton, i think, yes, kind of a tiredness about it but at the same time it becomes a race between those two to see who can be more forward leaning. >> app gearrinnn gearrin, you talk

about whether her experience a liability and tenure as secretary of state the central argument for her forthcoming run for president. instead a fresh chapter in which clinton came into her own, her time as the country's top diplomat. now, reminding voters of what some of them disliked about her. let me ask first of all how her accomplishments as secretary of state compares to that of john kerry's, the present secretary of state. >> well, neither of them has some pig, giant peace treaty or traditional measure a success of the secretary of state to their name yet. strictly on that measure, kerry's probably a bit ahead of her because he has got two partial deals. he all right syria chemical weapons deal and the place holder iran deal which may be full deal. she didn't have any of those. she did dealt a cease-fire, hard-won cease-fire between egypt, brokering for hamas and israel in 2012 a big deal but

not something that's widely remembered now. so kind of the traditional measure like are you a good diplomat, a, b or c, she doesn't have that -- >> ask you the e-mail controversy. we have had two now people defending hillary clinton. first it was -- who was our friend? not david brock. >> harold -- not harold. howard dean. >> howard dean but also before that we -- >> james carville. >> james carville. they both think it is the right or it is the constant narrative to pound against the clintons and howard dean even said she didn't break regulation. what's going on here because i feel like again, i'm on two different planets, those who actually you know, look at facts and those that are trying to drive a message to defend hillary clinton. am i wrong? >> no you're not wrong at all. it is understandable her defenders and this ring of surrogates around her would -- the first thing they would say, there's nothing to this and it's all a big hit job and you're all barking up the wrong tree?

>> nothing to this? >> there is certainly something to it don't have to be a republican or even talked to one recently to have a question about why she set up a private e-mail system in her house. i mean when she was the secretary of state. i mean that -- she still hasn't answered what the original intent and thinking was and whether anyone approved it >> howard dean said she didn't break regulation. he hasn't seen the regulation did she break regulation? >> she would be in violation of the regulations as they stand now. she was not technically in violation of the regulations as they stood when she became secretary of state. that said there was a clear policy guidance that was communicated from the white house to members of the administration that they were not to use personal e-mail for private business. that gets undercut immediately by the fact that almost everybody did it on some level. the pig difference for her is that she used it exclusively and it was an outside system that had no -- that traffic or anything with the state department system and wasn't being archived by the government.

>> chuck, if you luke at these numbers that you guys have out, i mean is there clinton fatigue, it's more with the press corps and republicans with democratic primaries. >> i was just gonna say -- >> stronger than ever. >> stronger than they were in '07. not going to penetrate that but i tell you, you look at the numbers with independents. we talk about their different worlds like on some issues with republicans, republicans in one place, for instance on day marriage and immigration, while both democrats and independents are in another. when it comes to sort of the idea of whether hillary clinton is part of the past or the future, democrat does view her as the future. democrats are fired up. democrats fired up about the first woman president when you look at the middle here independents, they are not there independents close we are republicans and their views of her and that's what this story plays into. so, this isn't going to hurt her in a democratic primary it is in a general election that this hurts her, plays into this narrative, play by a different set of -- and if it's the idea of, oh my god, going to go become to, is it going to be ten

years of just more of what the '90s were like? now, that said i luke at this poll you're hillary clinton, they need to stop attacking jeb bush. the single bests a she the he would have in a general election, be able to have a comparison to jeb, she would look like the future compared to him because the country's never had a woman president. the country's had a guy named bush as president before. that's correct. >> jon meachum, want to end with you, people talking about history in regards to this story, this letter written by 47 senate republicans to the leaders of irran. some people say the first time that such a letter has been sent to a foreign leader in the history of this country. as our resident historian, happens to have a pulitzer prize on him now, can you think of a parallel, another time where the

united states senate or the house went around a sitting president to foreign leaders? >> i can't offhand. the idea though that politics stops at the water's edge, a familiar thought from the 19th and 20th centuries never really been true. foreign policy has always directly affected our domestic politics. pretty clear the debate over iran is being shaped by tensions here and -- >> can you give us some specific examples, any that come to mind of how the congress has been less-than-respectful to a commander in chief at a time such as this? >> you had people arguing -- i don't want to link these two things directly, but anything with the 1950s, early '50s, you had an era where strong anti-communist feeling in the congress led there to be a lot of rhetoric about president

eisenhower, people like general marshall who were thought of as appeasers or calls to in the language of the time for the soviet threat, for favoring in some cases, diplomacy over a more hawkish position. that's fundamental cold war drama. so there was disrespect and there was a -- there was always tension. there's always opinion tension between lawmakers and the presidency on these things. arguably, should be. i think it's the -- we should debate our policy but reaching out across the ocean that way is another question. >> yeah. >> all right. >> a big question. chuck todd ann gearrin, jon meacham, thank you very very much. good to have you with us. >> thanks. coming up democratic senator and minority whip dick durbin joins us next on morning joe.

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hill somebody who maybe won't blame me minority whip and democratic senator from illinois, senator dick dur pinbin. good to have you on board, sir. >> thanks. >> the letter to iran i guess quo start there how would you characterize whether or not it was appropriate? >> well it was embarrassing. this has not happened very often, if ever, in the history of the senate. but look at what the senators did. 47 of them sent a letter to the leadership in iran a letter which basically said don't waste your time in negotiating with this president. understand congress has the last word here. and the letter went on to remind the ayatollah and others that many members of the senate are going to be around for decades, so get used to t not todd to todd to it. not only is this an unwise policy, not only a letter to iran but our allies at the negotiating table saying don't waste your time either because ultimately, it's going to the republican caucus and the united states senate to decide whether this agreement is a good one or

a bad one. >> let me follow up and ask what you think the implications could be ram if i canifications. the president said it yesterday, for the fig the opposition in iran, the hardliners who said don't waste your time fwheshting with the united states. ultimately, we want to stop iran from developing a nuclear weapon there are two ways to do it, someone a negotiation. the other is military action f these 47 senators don't want a negotiation, you know they have to really stand before the american people and say, well we are prepared to take military action if necessary. >> senator, i can certainly understand your objections to this letter. but should the senate have input? shouldn't the president have the advice and counsel of the united states senate as a constitution suggests that in treaties and issues of war and peace? they should have an input? shouldn't you have input as a senator? >> take a look at the range of agreements that the administration, any administration, reaches during a

course of their tenure. many of those agreement reached the level of a treaty. arms control, for example, comes to mind with the soviet union, but scores if not hundreds of agreements do not reach that level. just think about this for a second. the interim agreement in 2013 between the united states and iran, which called for more inspectors, which called for iran to gear down their centrifuges and any nuclear power was an agreement between the president and iran never ratified by the united states congress nor heard any republican senators say it should have opinion. as we have seen through history, presidents reach agreements with other countries and just the full faith and credit the reputation of the united states that gives it the force. >> so why in this case with an issue as important as giving a country that i think you would agree with me has opinion the epicenter of international terror since 1979 why shouldn't you have a say? why shouldn't your fellow

democrats have a say? why shouldn't republicans have a say? why shouldn't this rise to the level of a treaty that should have the wide advice and the wise counsel of the united states senators like yourself? >> let me say two things. first, remember the obvious. we don't have an agreement before us. everything that happened the speech by beebeibi netanyahu, the agreement of senators is in anticipation of one that hasn't been seen and won't be seen until the 24th of this month, if it is reached. >> once it is seep shouldn't you have -- be able to advise and counsel the president on behalf of the millions of people you represent in i will and all other senators? shouldn't they have a vote on this? >> that's my second point. joe. the second point is there are sanctions imposed on iran by congress. sanctions which congress has the power to continue or to change and the president can't take it away. ultimately, he can veto it.

i think congress can override that veto if that happened in this circumstance. ultimately, congress has a voice in the disposition of this. but what i'm saying is for goodness sakes, if we are going to avoid a military confrontation in the middle east if we are going to stop iran from developing nuclear weapons, we owe it to this president and any president the opportunity to try to negotiate an agreement which the united states believes is a good one for the middle east, for israel and the world. instead, we have 47 senators who have stepped up and said stop what you're doing. you're wasting your time. we have the last word. i'm just glad that bob corker for one, jeff flake, lamar alexander, susan collin was, these sa murkowski, refused to sign this letter i think they showed good judgment. >> before you go. i would love to get to you weigh in on the issue relating to hillary clinton's private e-mail system out of chappaqua. do you think she should have done that? was she trying to get around the rules, in your opinion, and what

do you make of this being a major headline? some say it is an attack on her. >> i would like to hear her explanation explanation. i think dianne feinstein was right. she should come forward and explain the situation. let me tell you, in the senate members of the senate many of us who have e-mails, are instructed by the senate not to do anything of a personal or political nature in our information account. so we have two separate e-mail accounts. many senators do. it is what we are instructed to do. i would like to hear her explanation of why she did it and what was covered by it. and she has called if i'm not misstake.the disclosure of all the e-mails. sounds like you question her action there is? >> i don't know the answer. i think it's only fair to say to hillary clinton, tell us your side of the story. other secretaries of state have done this what was your side of the story what did you put on this personal e-mail? >> dickdurbin, thank you very

much. >> gives the president the power to make treaties and senate the power to approve treaties much the president is not going in that direction. i agree, this letter was fairly unprecedented. i don't know if anything like this has been done before or not, but also it is to me just strange looking back the past 30 40 50 years, a deal this big it doesn't rise to the level of treaty. >> that is interesting. but as part of a whole trend here, which is fascinating in the history of american power whether the presidency arthur schlesinger's phrase, become an imperial presidency. there are signing statements, the role of executive power has grown exponentially. the story of the country, to some extent, it grows and then we curb it back a little bit. it grows, we curb it back a little bit. it has pretty much been growing the last 50 years. to some extent one person's

imperial presidency is another person's noble leader breaking forth the bonds of authority to do great things. so it's a public political question. but the expansion of executive authority, republican or democrat it's a bipartisan development, is absolutely critical. >> yeah. all right, still ahead senator kirsten gillibrand will be our guest and the american ambassador from south korea is leased from the hospital this morning after a brutal attack last week. we will hear his story of survival in his own words. we will be right back. doug. you've been staring at that for awhile, huh? listen, td ameritrade has former floor traders to help walk you through that complex trade. so you'll be confident enough to do what you want. i'll pull up their number. blammo. let's get those guys on the horn. oooo looks like it is time to upgrade your phone, douglass. for all the confidence you need. td

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awful lot of conversation taking place right now in which christian laettner is leading a lot of it. >> he's one of the greatest trash talkers in the history of the game. >> laettner is coming back. >> he had this all american type of image publicly but internally he wanted to be a bad

boy. it's okay for us not to like each other and we didn't like him and we didn't like duke. >> the upcoming espn 30 for 30 documentary "i hate christian laettner." joining us is christian laettner himself, good morning. that brings back such memories. you against the fab five and you beat them for the national title and beat them pretty handedly. you're pretty brave to be out front supporting a documentary that says i hate christian laettner. when you were playing the game did you sense that vibe that other players didn't like you so much. >> it is highly competitive sport so you know the other players like you. whether it's carolina or lsu, you're not going to like the people you're competing against. >> this was a specific kind of hate. this was christian laettner hate.

where do you think that came from? >> i have to say it wasn't all hate just towards me hopefully. i think people got firetire ued of seeing duke university at the final four every year. they won '86. we won four years in a row. if you're not a duke fan, i can understand you get tired of seeing us four years in a row in the final four. i was a starter all four of those years so maybe they got tired of seeing me too. >> did you take that pride in the trash talk that they were talking about there? did you enjoy going back is and forth with those guys? >> i didn't take pride in it t but i'm a fighter, i love fighting. i got in fights my whole life from the age of 5. and i liked it. it's just the way i am. i am competitive. but you have to realize that duke was getting the reputation and not being able to win the championship game they were able to get to the final four but they weren't able to get over that last hump. we were aware of that and coach

k. always talked to us about playing with more passion. so i took it to the highest level where we just had to be ruthless out there. >> mike had a few kids like you. >> there was an attitude about you you, a game face, i'm the only one out here on the court. when the ref flips you the basketball, how do you arrive at that during the game? is it before the game i have this attitude and game face? >> that was not the ref flipping the ball, that was one of the players. but any time you step between those lines, tough put your game face on, which is highly competitive and not that attractive to everybody. i needed to wear that mask in order for us to win every game. that was my goal to win every game. >> the game he won, my parents both university of kentucky graduates. >> how often do you hear about that, the 1992 regional final, the pass from grant hill the

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morning about the watch because the lead story is just -- i don't know about your party. i would be embarrassed if i were you. come on guys really? this morning the front page of o the daily news is calling senators traitors because they sent a warning letter to tehran about a possible nuclear deal. the paper, which has called the president feckless says he betrayed the constitutional system. the letter in question was written by tom cotton of arkansas, who says he opposes the talks with iran. >> this letter is about nothing more than stopping iran from getting a nick bomb. the united states and our allies cannot live with a nuclear iran. . >> the letter states that any possible deal requires congressional approval if

lawmakers are not on board. the letter says it would be an executive agreement add inging the next president could revoke such an exec ty agreement with the stroke of a pen. and future congresss could modify the terms of the agreement at any time. four republican candidates for president signed the letter. >> i never saw that one coming. >> seven republican senators did not sign, including foreign relations chairman bob corker. >> not especially happy about this. he let the word out that he didn't think this was such a great idea because he has a bill along with senator menendez that he's hoping to get a veto majority on. he believes this may get in. the way of that. >> just might. here's how president obama responded. >> i think it's somewhat ironic to see some members of congress wanting to make common cause with the hard liners in iran.

it's an unusual coalition. i think what we're going to focus on now is seeing whether we can get a deal or not. once we do then we'll -- if we do, we'll be able to make the case to the american people and i'm confident we'll be able to implement it. >> joe biden had a stronger response saying, quote, the letter designed to undercut a sitting president in the midst of sensitive international negotiations is beneath the dignity of an institution i revere. in 36 years in the united states senate i cannot recall another instance in which senators wrote directly to advise another country much less a long-time foreign adversary that the president does not have the constitutional authority to reach a meaningful understanding with them. iran's foreign minister weighed in calling the republicans' letter a propaganda ploy. . >> so americans very skeptical about this deal. new poll says 71% of the people

say a deal is not going to stop iran from getting a bomb. but talk about this it letter and we'll show you the daily news really tough from a newspaper that opposes a deal from iran. what are your thoughts? >> my thoughts are if anyone had any reservations that what the republicans did when they brought benjamin netanyahu to congress to address congress was not an effort to undercut the president this then could perhaps seal the deal in your mind that everything they do is absolutely focussed in an almost obsessive and destructive way. to undermine an effort to get a deal as opposed to going to war. thank you, senator cotton for stepping in. we don't need that. >> this issue aside, it sets a scary precedent that basically it's open season for any branch of the government to reach out to any other branch of any other government. there is a decorum and way of

doing business and a constitution. by the way, i'm against the treaty also, but there's something fundamentally wrong. it's not the way we do business in this country. >> i u tend to agree with joe biden. this is beneath the dignity of the senate. this is not the way the senate operates. we have a couple weeks of negotiations until the deadline at the end of march. is it difficult to wait for two and a half months? to come up with a letter like this reaching out to a foreign government that is an adversary directly and then offering no all the alternative. i think that's what's shocking here. they are not coming up with an alternative scenario and saying let's try this. they are just trashing a negotiation that is incredibly sensitive. it's very touch and go. and they are adding weight to the scales of not making ta work. >> jeff flake was one of the seven senators who did not sign it. i tend to agree with his point

of view which is i don't think this rocks the foundation of our democracy. he said it's not a useful negotiation tactic. it's not going to push along. if you want to reach a sesh end, this does not help you get there. >> i'm in a tough position. like the benjamin netanyahu speech i agree with the ends. i don't necessarily like the means. in this case i don't like the means here and i was thinking as i read the story that i don't know what i would do because i wouldn't want to undercut the commander-in-chief in the middle of negotiations and then on the other hand we have the commander-in-chief saying he's not going to act like other all commander-in-chiefs and let the senate who has authority to look at such treaties. said he's not going to let the senate have any oversight to this. if the president said, hey, listen, i'm going to negotiate this and then i'm going to do what the constitution tells me to do and we're going to have the senate determine whether they want to pass this treaty or

not, then that would be fine. the president has stated that not only is he not going to put this up for a vote but he's not going to give the united states senate any input at all in the negotiations. and i think for something this critical, this important i think just like a lot of the soviet deals that were struck, you know you need to have the senate weigh in. >> is that grounds to write a letter to tehran? it seems like you should write a letter to the president. >> that's the problem. i think this provoked -- it unnecessarily provoked. i can understand though senators, democrats and republicans alike, who are frustrated with this president for saying that he's not going to actually listen to what the united states senate has to say to do this. this did not come out of left field. they didn't just wake up one

morning and say we're going to undercut the president. this was after the president said i'm not going to listen to the senate. >> it was a campaign issue for some of the republican freshmen who are now in the senate. we know that. of course, it didn't come out of left field. they have been going. around saying this is their number one foreign policy priority. tom cotton got elected and made waves very fast. >> if i were running anywhere as a republican or democrat, this would be one of my top issues. i said it isis is horrible. the burnings are outrageous. the beheadings are outrageous, but a nuclear iran is so much more dangerous to the future safe isty of this country than isis ever will be. >> to send a letter to tehran? >> you keep saying reckless. you keep saying reckless and destructive. guess what benjamin netanyahu

gave the speech, he's back in israel. he may lose that race. you kept saying that was destructive. the republic lives. the republic stands. you sound like all those republicans that every time barack obama passes a bill they go to the house floor and go tonight democracy died. >> no actually i don't. i sound like a normal person. >> they sent a piece of paper to lunatics in tehran. >> you would not sign that letter. >> but if my colleagues did sign that letter i wouldn't go over to them and say this was destructive. i would go really? really guys? that would be my reaction. not destructive, they are not traitors, it may not have been the smartest political move. it may not have done what bob corker is trying to do. >> we actually don't know if it was destructive because we don't know the impact this is going to

have in tehran, whether they will call up people in the negotiating table and say, you know what, we don't think this is going to happen. >> you call that destructive. i call that progress. >> willie please settle this. >> i don't want to deal with a major majority of the people and 71% of americans don't think a deal is worth the paper it's written on based on this latest poll. i see that as positive. >> then the earnest is to come up with an alternative scenario and that's not what we're hearing. we're not hearing the alternative scenario. >> who decided and when did they decide that we could trust iran who has been the epicenter of terrorism? barack obama, you just said what's the alternative? the alternative is don't do a deal with the devil. that's the alternative. >> the alternative was what let them carry on as they are unfettered? >> the alternative is continue

with sanctions until they don't come to the table and say we're not going to do 20 years, we're going to do 10 years. the president seems to me, and i could be wrong, i have been wrong before here many times, first time letting you on the set, but the thing is we've been looking for moderates in iran since 1979. every time we look for moderates in iran we get screwed. i could go through the list. we get screwed time and time again. '86 we got screwed by mcfarland. nothing has changed over there. i see no reason why we should be desperate for a deal with the

number one exporter of terrorism in the world. >> there's the question even with a deal do you trust that we'll be able to monitor their progress? are we going to be able to go in and have people who can watch whether or not they are putting the pieces together on this. the larger question on this letter is the relationship, the sad state of the relationship between the president and congress congress. everything is out front in public. >> middle of negotiations. >> what he said is wrightright on. >> so how is this different? how is this going to be different for the deal that was struck with north korea where we were told it was going to be verifiable and we gave them tons of money and they ended up building a nuclear weapon? >> it's not going to be different and that's the problem. we should not do the deal but the letter was still stupid. >> we dent know if it's going to be different. or we could say the system for monitoring and if the iranians

start to lessen. >> do they want this deal to happen? >> the p-5 is more interested in the deal or they wouldn't be there negotiating. still ahead on "morning joe," senator kirsten gillibrand says why ambition shouldn't be a dirty word. aggression too. i think adegrees. ive is a good word. >> i'm scared. also ahead -- >> feelings of dread in your basement or attic. >> have you seen a ghost? >> if the answer is yes, don't wait another minute. pick up the phone and call the professionals. >> there may be two new ghost busters movies in the works. why somebody isn't stopping with the all-female remake.

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hillary clinton is expected to address questions soon over her use of a personal e-mail account while secretary of state. joining us now is chief foreign affairs correspondent is andrea mitchell. >> i think it's going to happen today. i think she will be answering questions today. in fact, she will likely hold a news conference we think after her appearance at the u.n. it will be a first news. conference in two years and there's been intense pressure for her to clear up the e-mail controversy. >> reporter: under fire hillary clinton still isn't saying why she set up the private e-mail system as secretary of state. >> will you explain the e-mails? >> reporter: she may be reluctant because of what happened in 1994. she held a news conference about an arkansas land deal. it led to more investigations. first, she wants the focus to be women's rights in a speech at

the u.n. as she continues to hint at making history as potentially the first woman u.s. president. >> when women and girls have the opportunity to participate, we can lift up not just ourselves, but our families communities, even our countries. >> reporter: the e-mail controversy was not part of the game plan. and the white house acknowledged monday president obama did exchange e-mails with clinton when she was secretary of state. but said he didn't know she didn't also have a government account. >> the president was not aware of the fact that this was a personal e-mail server and that this was the e-mail address she was using exclusively for all her business. >> reporter: clinton's long-time defenders are firing back. >> this is not going to change anything. it gives people a reason to get out of breath about a lot of goofy stuff. >> reporter: still an extraordinary 86% of democratic primary voters in our "wall street journal" poll support her. but analysts say the e-mail issue has shown some vulnerabilities. >> with stories like this that

bring an added level of scrutiny do is to remind people that she's a complicated candidate. >> kplicomplicated, indeed. advisers say her explanation for using a private e-mail will be simple. with her travel schedule it was more convenient. when she took office it was not strictly prohibited under the rules. she will also claim that the private system was secure, but that's hard to prove. >> and more secure, who knows. a couple of questions i have for you because a lot of people now are saying it's the far right, i believe, that the coverage was stronger at this network to begin with. i don't really understand that and "the new york times." and they are saying that it feeds into a narrative that is constant constantly concocted. at what point does it become you?you that's the source of the problem? the facts are very clear. >> she can say that the facts

aren't clear. that she'll say that she used a private system that other people have. she will make that point. >> shouldn't she hand that server over? >> that's the next question and there are some who say she's going to have to do smigomething for assertive o to quiet all of this. and there are other questions about the private -- rather the foreign donations to the clinton foundation and whether or not there were potential conflicts of interest given her past and likely future role as the democratic candidate most likely to still become the nominee. what really turned the page here is that dianne feinstein and dick durbin are saying she has to answer questions. when it's her democratic colleagues and supporters who are saying this, that means it isn't some right wing conspiracy. >> he said we all use official e-mail. he basically said i don't do it. i don't understand why she did it. and that's a question we're

going to need an answer to for sure. we'll be watching for that today. movering on the u.s. ambassador to south korea has been released from the hospital after being slashed in the face last week. he was attacked by a korean nationalist and received 80 stitches. this morning he spoke publicly after being discharged from the hospital. >> i feel pretty darn good all things considered. i mean it was obviously a scary incident, but i'm walking, talking, holding my baby hugging my wife so i just feel really good. got a little rehab left to do on the arm. the face feels really good but thanks to the great medical professionals i feel pretty darn good. >> he was so amazing when it happened. you could tell he was really scared, but he kept it together and was talking through it, pale

as a ghost. >> he is so admired in south korea. he had already done so much great work for the united states there. this has only added to his reputation. >> he loves the job too. time for business with brian sullivan. how is the watch doing? >> we're going to find out. this was all the rage yesterday. certainly it is this morning as people are starting to review the watch, give their commentary on the apple watch. apple unveiling it yesterday. a number of different models. prices from $350 to more than $10,000. it is not proof, it's water resistant. people said can i wear it in the shower. tim cook said you can. there's a lot of questions about the watch. are people going to buy it. you still have to have an iphone. it's not going to work with any other operator system. it's meant to keep you in the apple ecosystem. and i want to say happy birthday to the nasdaq's high. 15 years ago it hit 5,100 before

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have family business do you use a separate e e-mail system for your family than for your senate work? >> i have several e-mail addresses that i use for work that i use for personal things. i think the rules in congress are different than those for the secretary of state. but again, i think secretary clinton will be forthcoming in the next day or two. >> you follow the rules in congress. >> yes. >> okay, let's move on to the other headline of the morning and that is your republican colleagues sending a letter to tehran. they are being blasted on the front page of newspapers as even traitors. i'm not sure i would go that far, but what do you make of the end run around the president and do you think there will be or could be ramifications? >> it does raise some concerns for me. i think the president does have and needs the time to negotiate a treaty. we don't need 47 members of congress at the table negotiating a treaty or an

agreement with the negotiating partners. so i think the president needs a little time to see if there can be a deal. we need to see what that deal says before we can opine on it. i think we should give the president the time he's asked for to see if a deal is even possible. i have always said if we can negotiate these issues long-term to make sure that iran never possesses nuclear weapons or acquires the ability to do so that can be something we can look at. i think sending a letter to tehran is an unwise and unprecedented move by members of the senate. >> do you think that the president and secretary kerry are too eager for a deal and do you accept some of benjamin netanyahu's criticisms voiced so strongly last week on the floor of the house? >> i think it's right for the president to pursue a deal. i agree with the president when he says he will never allow a

nuclear iran. but i do believe the prime minister voiced legitimate concerns. being able to verify that iran is not subverting some deal is not processing nuclear fuel outside inspection those are legitimate concerns. an agreement must be verifiable if it's something that the united states can support. >> want to end on a know your value question because you have been voted as saying it frustrates me how many people automatically assume the worst from ambitious women. you want to make ambition to not be a dirty word. i feel the same way about aggressive aggressive. i don't understand why it has negative connotations. why does it frustrate you that people stereotype ambitious women? >> women have a lot to offer. they have enormous amounts of inspiration, of ideas, of determination to make a difference. and i want women and girls to own their ambition, to aspire to their greatest calling and their

voices is important. my book is about creating a call to action for women to be heard on the issues they care about. their perspective and life experiences is so relevant. we see it in corporate america when women on corporate boards, companies perform better. higher returns on investment and equity equity. we need their perspective not only in corporate america, but in governing. when women are at the table, they offer different solutions. even "the new york times" published a study that said women in congress tend to be more productive and actually sponsor more legislation and work across party lines more often, more willingly. one thing we need more of in washington and that's getting things done. >> you're sounding very ambitious. >> it's getting more women to want to be part of our government and to be part of our leaders and decision makers. >> and i just want to make that point that that study definitely shows that the women senators the women congress members get more things done because they work across the aisle and work

with each other. they raise issues such as sexual assault in the military which was not raised by the men. >> which are bipartisan. you look at our sexual assault bill widely bipartisan. in the military as well. making childcare more affordable tax credits, these are bipartisan important national issues about the economy and the value of women in society at schools, in the military, it's really important we raise our voices. >> and they are the product of ambition, which can also be seen as passion. thank you so much, senator. it's great to have you on. i hope to see you at the know your value conferences. our series continues all this week. guest include the chief of staff to the first lady, the president to the university of pennsylvania, and a reminer to go to the know your value conferences. it's on our website at msnbc.com. i want you to jump in ladies

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joining us now, navy seal out with a new book "resilience." navy seal, scholar, boxing champion ph.d. from oxford okay you could write this book. i'll believe you. tell me i hear you have incredible presentations because you have take an lot of your own experiences, made them into story telling here and some advice. so the concept is that you can't bounce back from hardship but you can move through it and grow from it, correct? >> that's exactly right. how do you build resilience in r your life. everybody has to deal with pain, everybody has to deal with fear, has ta deal with suffering. there's a path through fear to

courage, there's a path through suffering to strength if you have the virtue of resilience. a a lot of times in our culture when people think about resilience, they think about bouncing back as if. you're supposed to bounce back from hardship. what resilient people do is integrate hard experiences into their lives. so the kid who leaves for afghanistan is never going to be 19 again. parents who lose a child are never going to be the same again. but what resilient people are not able to bounce back, but you're able to integrate something. difficult into your life that you become better. that's how you build resilience. >> tell me about zach walker. >> great friend of mine from a logging family. was in the buds training with me. and even if that training one of the toughest of the tough. left, went for deployment to afghanistan and came back home, welcomed home as a war hero.

bought a concrete pumper and his life was hammer bid hardship. his brother died he lost his business, he drives into his driveway one day, gets out of the truck and drops to the ground because he thinks there's a sniper watching them and lays there for hours. he gets up runs into the house and realizes he has post-traumatic stress disorder. then he starts drinking and zach does nothing in moderation so it's a cooler full of beer he's working through on the weekend. he called me was aafter he had been arrested. he's welcomed home as the war hero who is the unemployed alcoholic on disability. >> how do you get someone in that situation to use this outlook? that seems impossible. >> what's really hopeful about this is there are all of these very practical tools that you can use to confront fear and to achieve excellence. so we talk in the book about how you use some very specific mental toughness techniques to

confront fear. we talk in the book about how you use models to help guide you through difficulty. how you build purpose in the face of pain. zach and i started talking that night. i wrote him a letter. he wrote me back. the book is a series of letters about how you take a lot of deep wisdom that exists in the culture, about how you make it through hardship and practically apply it to life. >> thank you very much. his book is called "resilience." thanks again. stay tuned to msnbc all day for coverage of hillary clinton's press conference where she'll address her use of private e e-mail. "the rundown" is up next after a quick break. >> hillary clinton, i don't understand any of this. i pray to god somebody knows what's going on but she's promised to release 55,000 pages of e-mails.

55,000 let's see how that's going. this is hillary campaign headquarters. let's see how it's going. wow, wow, okay that's going to take a lot loonger.

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good morning i'm jose diaz-balart. and right now on "the rundown," breaking political news that could have huge implications on the 2016 presidential race. msnbc is confirm, that former secretary of state hillary clinton will hold a news conference to address questions about her use of a personal e-mail address and private e-mail server during her time as america's top diplomat. the use of that e-mail could have broken federal rules is now the subject of congressional subpoenas. it's been more than a week since a "new york times" first broke the story and so far all we have heard on the subject from the potential presidential candidate is a tweet. let's get right to alex walt who is at the u.n. covering hillary clinton. and in washington, mark murray. what do we know right now? >> well, jose sources told me this morning they are expecting