hillary speaks. is the debate over or has it just begun? it is tuesday, march 10th, and this is "now." >> there have been questions about my e-mails, so i want to address that directly. >> hillary clinton's news conference. >> first news conference in two years. >> i responded right away and provided all my e-mails that could possibly be work-related. >> pressure has been building on hillary clinton to do something along these lines. >> i'd like to hear her explanation of why she did it and what was covered by it. >> i did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. >> she's not going to satisfy republican opponents. >> a week after news broke that

hillary clinton home brewed her state department e-mails, in the last hour the former secretary of state faced the press for the first time. in her first news conference since she left office clinton took questions this afternoon following a speech at the united nations. the former secretary told a swarm of reporters that she used one private e-mail address from the start of her state tenure as a matter of convenience. >> looking back it would have been better for me to use two separate phones and two e-mail accounts. i thought using one device would be simpler and obviously it hasn't worked out that way. >> no indeed it has not. clinton defended the legitimate si of approving which e-mails went to the state department for vetting. after going through 60,000 total e-mails, about half of which were deemed private, clinton has full faith the process was a fair one. >> i am very confident of the process that we conducted and

the e-mails that were produced and i feel like once the american public begins to see the e-mails they will have an unprecedented insight into a high government official's daily communications, which i think will be quite interesting. >> what is very interesting to some is the fact that clinton said the private server which was set up for former president bill clinton, that server will stay private. >> the server contains personal communications from my husband and me and i believe i have met all of my responsibilities and the server will remain private, and i think that the state department will be able over time to release all of the records that were provided. >> joining me now is former pennsylvania governor and glen

thrush and lawrence o'donnell. lawrence, a matter of convenience. does this allay concerns? >> this theory was offered on my show by jonathan alter. he said i think it was done as a matter of convenience. i have an nbc device and a personal device and i find it much more convenient. >> there's no confusion with these two. >> i'm not sorting through wedding invitations versus business stuff. all the business stuff is right there on the one unit and the personal stuff on the other unit. i think the convenience argument would go the other way. convenience is not a choice you have in government. she had a regulation a 2009 regulation, that applied only to her, meaning it applied to her for the first time. this was not a regulation jeb bush lived under, because he wasn't secretary of state. it wasn't a regulation that

colin powell lived under. that regulation said that her e-mail must be preserved in the state department recordkeeping system and it wasn't. there's a moment in there where she says everything i did was according to the law and the regulations. it was not in compliance with that regulation. >> lawrence o'donnell does not sound satisfied. governor ribndell, we talked about this last week. >> she did comply with the regulation by preserving everything she sent. >> all the e-mails she had chosen from the 60,000. >> the reason she doesn't want to release all the e-mails is because there are probably e-mails on there from her to bill clinton saying boy, governor jones is a real

slacker, what a dumbbell he is. >> that would be awesome. >> stuff you wouldn't want in public domain. >> there were yoga workouts details on chelsea's wedding. >> in retrospect should she have used government e-mail? yes. we have senators who sent a letter to a foreign country undermining the president and we're talking about e-mails? there's something wrong with the political process. >> we're talking about the 2016 race. clinton began a press conference by talking exactly to those points intimating there are much more important things to be talking about, at the same time this is the official start of the 2016 race. >> each year our voting participation goes down. >> and you wonder why. >> right here. we talk about stuff like this. when's the last time we had a really serious discussion about

how to fund the infrastructure of this country? it is falling apart. we i haven't seen it on msnbc. >> to this press conference and hillary clinton, i think a big issue, a sticking point, is the fact that the server is going to remain private. >> what happens in chappaqua stays in chappaqua, right? >> yeah. >> i think there's a big gap between personal stuff and government stuff, like yoga and benghazi. i think that thing that dwells in the middle is what we call politics. what is missing from her discussion and missing from the examination is a lot of the back and forth that she doesn't want the public to see is political discourse. when she was on the seventh floor of the state department the people who were around her cheryl mills, jake sullivan are

seasoned political actors. a lot of that interaction, the most interesting interaction, the most damaging was political. what i want to know is what is on there -- is political stuff considered government or personal? >> to glen's point, could she have admitted any of the decision making around the private e-mail was personal? >> no. luckily she was facing reporters instead of lawyers who ask one question at a time. every reporter has to ask five questions. >> right. >> hillary got to choose of the five he just asked, i think i'll answer the first and the second. i completely understand there are some answers she did not give. one of them was -- the question of how did you decide how to release this e-mail? >> there's a specific version of this question. can you give us the names of the

people who read 30,000 e-mails? how many did you read? who is it that made these decisions. >> the vetting committee. >> the other question was, did you get this system vetted by anyone in the government before you used it? >> yes. >> did you have the security people in the government say, yes, this is a good system to use? she never answered that question. it was a good question to ask, but it was a jumbled in with a bunch of others. >> let me play this out where hillary clinton addresses the security issue in the most direct fashion. >> the system we used was set up for president clinton's office and it had numerous safe guards. it was on property guarded by the secret service and there were no security breaches. i think that the -- the use of

that server which started with my husband, certainly proved to be effective and secure. >> a couple points in there. there's a lot of debate over whether bill clinton uses e-mail or not. we'll set that aside for a moment. >> has he ever sent you an e-mail? >> not by himself, through representatives. >> if he's going to e-mail anyone, he's going to e-mail you. >> i have never sent out an e-mail either. i have always done it through people who work for me, et cetera. >> right. >> as far as phones go alex i don't send any e-mails. >> that thing is a star tack from 1997. to the issue of security glen a lot of security experts with said hillary clinton would not have known if her e-mail system was breached unless they had

top level security. physically north korean hackers could not enter the compound. but getting into her e-mail questions, there are going a lot of questions about her sentence "there were to security breaches." >> there have been a tremendous number of security breaches of government computers. they're going to do better than the place out in chappaqua. to lawrence's list of unanswered questions, the one contradiction that i think is going to be need answered quickly is this business of whether or not she destroyed the personal e-mails or whether or not they reside on the servers. she said they were scrubbed destroyed. i don't remember what her exact language was. then later she said they existed in some form. >> governor if we're talking about how this situation resolves itself at the end of

the day, why not just give the server over to a third party and say, you know what? i wash my hands of this. take it away. i am confident you will make the same decisions i did about the e-mails that are personal and public. >> and let somebody decide and the personal ones would not be released. >> yes. >> i would urge here to do that. >> let lawrence do it. >> if she had just used the two systems, you would never have to -- i think that's a horrible thing to have to face. there could be an emotion e-mail of some content in there on a personal level i wouldn't want anybody to see, and i wouldn't trust anyone to see it but her e-mail should not be in that situation if she had just followed the rules and the regulation that applied to her. she wouldn't have any kinds of these tough situations to deal

with. >> look at mr. snowden. this idea that somehow government e-mails can't be hacked into and private -- >> i don't think anyone is contending that government e-mails -- i think the issue at this point is the government knows when they are hacked. private citizens don't often know when they are hacked. to the issue of convenience, setting up and maintaining your own server and the security around it seems a lot less convenient than carrying two phones. >> it existed since president clinton was president. >> let's put this in the context it deserves. this woman is about to run for president. today was her first day as a presidential candidate, right? >> it was her first campaign press conference, which i think she did very well. she did very well. >> this is not exactly the way they would have hoped to have rolled out the campaign. i think you're right. i was really surprised. i had conversations with clinton

advisers yesterday that said this is a terrible idea. she needs to do warm-up interviews. i think she was actually kind of in mid-campaign form but i think the answers are not going to satisfy a lot of people. >> she'll have other opportunities. >> would the answers ever satisfy everybody? no. let's talk about something that is relevant to the country. >> that's why this segment is ending. >> the infrastructure segment is coming up next. >> thank you, gentlemen. catch lawrence o'donnell tonight. 10:00 p.m. eastern. after the break, the university of oklahoma expels two fraternity members who participated in the racist chant

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. two students have been expelled from the university of oklahoma. they played a leading role in the chant that was caught on

tape and they road to a sigma alpha epsilon event. they have a midnight deadline to get out. the school will be an example of a zero tolerance policy for racism. a a new vine video has surfaced featuring the house mom wrapping along with a song that appears with the "n" word. the house mom herself responding saying i am heartbroken by the portrayal that i am in some way racist. i was singing long to a trinidad song. trinidad is a rapper. quote, several other incidents with chapters or members have

been brought to the attention of leaders and each of those instances will be investigated for further action. joining me now is president for the naacp for oklahoma state, mr. douglas. >> thank you for having me on. >> is expelling students the right thing to do? >> you know, alex one of the things i have thought long and hard about as we expel these students, is it solving the problem? i would like to see an alternative to expelling them. maybe we keep them in school but work in the african-american community to bring them awareness of their action and expose them to diversity. emotion is running high and there are calls for them to be expelled but i would like to keep these kids in school. we don't want to throw children

out with the bath water. >> what about the house mom who may have used the "n" word? do you have thoughts on what should happen to her? >> i have not seen the video myself. i have gotten a lot of calls about it. i'm going to review the video. when we have a house mom that supports those college kids we have to consider what action if this is true that is deemed necessary to do for her. but we cannot allow her as an adult to standby and let these things go unnoticed. we buried the "n" word even though it is used in songs and in a rap song. yet we need to hold those adults on the university and in the community accountable for their actions. >> does it surprise you that

university campuses have this kind of behavior? >> oklahoma is a good state. we're trying to work with diversity in our state. but when we look at the history of oklahoma,there are some concerns of individuals who have not wanted to go forward or move forward. we know what is like to deal with hidden racism. no, it doesn't surprise me at all. one of the things i have learned from this and hoping everybody can get from this is talking about diversity and working today. let's save these children instead of kicking them out. >> thanks for your time. joining me now is secretary of education, mr. duncan. let me get your reaction to what's happened on the ou come

campus. >> it is obviously deeply disturbing what we're seeing coming from there. i appreciate how seriously the university is taking this, and anyone who thinks somehow we're in a post-racial society or that racism is dead whether it is this week in oklahoma or ferguson, we have a long way to go and we have to deal with these very tough issues openly and honestly and appreciate how seriously they're taking this on the oklahoma campus. >> let me ask you, mr. secretary, in terms of whether or not this is an outlier, there are universities that are still segregated in many ways. do you think that's an accurate assessment of what's happening on some universities in the country? >> universities are just a microcosm of the larger society. we still have racism in this

nation, and that's reflected in the broader society. if it is reflected in the broader society, it is also going to be reflected on campus. it is also true we have a growing intolerance for racism and seeing how much the students there and faculty there have stood up together to challenge this saying this is not who we are, from painful wounds like this some real healing and positive action can come so we have to deal with these issues openly and honestly whether it is in ferguson, in oklahoma, or broader society. we can't hide from these things. we as a nation struggle talking about race. having folks there not hide from the truth, take it on in a very serious matter i appreciate the efforts there. >> racism is just one of the problems facing sae.

they have 219 chapters 15,000 undergraduate members. since 2006 nine people have died in events related to sae. do we have to rethink the way some fraternities conduct themselves on campus? >> the vast majority conduct themselves very very well and contribute to their university communities, but where we have places where racism is part of the culture, we have to challenge that. where we have places where there is binge drinking, that is unacceptable. where you have culture that is permissive around rape that's unacceptable. we don't want to paint everybody with the same brush. but where you have people with real challenges, you have to take all of these, whether it is racism sexism or abuse of alcohol or drugs, none of us as

parents want our children to be a part of that environment and we have to deal with that openly and honestly. >> as we talk about the problems facing undergraduates and graduates, debt is one of those big issues. >> it is so important that young people who borrow money to go to college that they be treated well. we're going to try to simplify and streamline the why borrowers can file complaints if they have issues. we're trying to raise the bar for banks who service them and look for ways to be innovative to get clear, transparent information to students who have borrowed money to go through college. they should be treated with the utmost respect. >> this is a real issue facing

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the recent letter from republican senators was out of step with the best traditions of american leadership and one has to ask -- what was the purpose of this letter? >> as criticism continues from hillary clinton, from the white house, the tabloids this was the cover of "the daily news" this morning. the 47 senators who signed a letter to iran yesterday those senators are not backing down. senator tom cotton doubled down. >> we're making sure iran's leaders that if congress doesn't approve a deal congress won't

accept a deal because we're committed to stopping iran from getting a nuclear weapon. >> it is clear you don't like the terms of the deal being debated between john kerry and iran. what would an acceptable deal look like to you? >> complete disarmament by iran. >> senator marco rubio was asked by luke russert today if he regretted sending it. >> regret? i would send another one tomorrow. i think the risk of a nuclear iran is so great that we need to do everything possible to keep us from finding ourselves in this situation. >> trending on twitter right now, #47traitors. joining me now is president of the woodrow wilson center jane

harmon. thank you for joining me. is it fair to call them traitors? >> let's dial this back, alex. really. this is a sideshow at best. i think hillary clinton's line out of step with the best traditions is a classy way to put what happened. there are seven senators who are republicans who didn't sign it and didn't sign it for a reason so my recommendation is let's focus on the negotiations. none of us knows what's in the deal. in fact, there isn't a deal yet. it's not agreed until everything is agreed which we have been told 100 times. i was just surprised to hear tom cotton express a point of view to the right of netanyahu netanyahu. he didn't call for zero enrichment. he left the door open for some enrichment. i think this is out of step with the best traditions.

>> there's been a lot of consternation that this undermines the president, but in some weird way might it not boom rang back to give him more standing to do these negotiations? the back and forth even between the iranians and tom cotton on twitter has put republicans in the position of being sort of shamed by the iranians on the specifics of international law. >> yes. jack goldsmith, a former head of the office of legal council, has pointed out congress doesn't ratify agreements under the constitution. you would think in a letter like this somebody would know that but i would make a different point. i think the fact that many in congress on a bipartisan basis are very concerned does strengthen the president's hand in a certain way. the fact that it has become a partisan sideshow or a part of

the republican party against another part of the republican party sideshow i don't think strengthens it but democrats are also so concerned. by the way, the president has said that he will not let iran go nuclear. that is the position of the obama administration, so instead of all this fomenting, it seems to me we would be better to march together for a strong agreement and congress should flex its muscles where it has real power, which is imposing and reduces sanctions. that's where congress has the power, and that option will be available to congress once a deal, if there is a deal is made public. >> yeah. as iran's foreign minister pointed out on twitter international law -- the u.s. is bound by international law once it signs an international treaty and cannot cite or invoke their

internal law, which is this battle between executive and legislative branchs as justification for failure to perform international obligations. if this deal goes through, which is a big if, and iran holds up their end of the agreement, do you see a republican president, if there is one if 2016 coming in and scuttling this agreement, given the fact that it will be largely considered a success? >> well let's set a few more preconditions. if there is a deal and if it is a good deal and if congress for the moment agrees that it is a good enough deal then what could a president do in two years, if there is moderate enrichment, which is what is being talked about, intrusive inspections, absolute proof iran is not proceeding with a nuclear weapon and let's just imagine

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and now onto news that has nothing to do with e-mail servers. does the gop frontrunner have a paleo problem on the campaign trail? support for marriage equality hits an all-time high. if you see drones hovering above the skies at the capital, don't fret. it is just the secret service. first, "the new york times" front page selma controversy.

fox cried foul over the paper's decision to leave former president george w. bush out of the front page photograph of this month's march in selma. >> people were in the picture who you could have done without. >> if carter or clinton were there, i imagine they would have opened up the shot a little. >> there's a big play and reason why he should have been included. >> maybe the photo was taken by kanye west. >> he made a big effort to be there. it is not a very nice thing and not a respectful thing and really not fair. >> the times public editor revealed the photo was not cropped. a bush-free picture was chosen was bush was in the bright sunlight. bush was super overexposed because he was in the sun.

while it would have been moving i see no evidence in the politics of handling or the presentation of the photo. joining me tonight kevin avery and joy reed and ana marie cox. joy, you were down in selma, right? >> yeah. >> i don't think this is some "new york times" liberal newspaper conspiracy, but i think they should have found one with bush and obama. it was a really important thing to have both of them down there. >> the logistics in selma were complicated. you had the question of whether they were going to do it on sunday or saturday. they should have organized to put bush closer to the president. >> in the lineup they are very far away from each other.

>> i think the organizers might have done better to put them closer together. the idea of barack obama being the first black president to make this speech the photographer is going to be compelled to put him in the front of the photo. off to the side it is very shadowy. i think she was concerned about what was the better photo. >> this stuff is parsed. photos have meaning. there was a lot of discussion going into this. no republican leaders were down in selma. there was a lot of discussion not having republican leader. to have a former republican president down there was counter to that narrative.

imagine the family photo that doesn't have grandpa in it because he was in the sun. >> where is he? just hanging out or watching tv. >> he was eating the hot dog in the corner. >> i guess the answer would have been -- the photographer did not submit the photo with bush. it is not like they had the choice and they picked one. the photographer didn't even give them the photo with bush in it. she gave them the ones she thought were better pictures. not the one with bush in it. they could have said we really want bush in the picture. we're going to buy an "ap" photo, but the photographer didn't give it to them. >> where was your wider lens? "the ap" reports that droning operating in the skies above d.c. over the next several weeks are no cause for alarm. it is the secret service testing drones for its own use and to

identify how to defend against hostile drones. ana marie cox, hostile drones seem like a very real serious threat to the president. the secret service admits they could carry a grenade. >> i'm all for protecting the president. in all conspiracy theories they begin with don't worry about it. >> it is just hostile drones. >> don't worry, don't worry. so it is just a little bit strange tobacco be told those drones you see up there, those aren't the bad drones. they're the good drones. the nice thing about being a conspiracy theorist is it gives order to your world, but it is not as pretty a word. it is impossible to make a decision based on as thet edd edd

on aesthetics, which does lead us back to the drones. >> kevin, the challenge -- i'll read this. the challenge for the secret service is how to detect a rogue drone where the president is then hacking its guidance mechanism to seize control or jamming its signal to send it off course or to make it crash. this is the same secret service that couldn't get fence jumpers. are we confident they can do all that in the blink of an eye? >> i'm thinking the testing is involving throwing rocks at them. >> the eff says basically the best way to stop the drones is by erecting huge nets. >> like a fish. >> a giant butterfly net. >> i keep thinking of irobot.

what happens if the drones gain their own native intelligence? >> this is a terrible end times scenario. >> i don't want those drones flying over me. we can't even 100% trust our police not to make mistakes. all police make mistakes, right? >> yeah. >> what if the drones decide to take out a threat? >> there is a serious security issue here. exactly. the idea that this security issue is being tackled by the concept of a man in the secret service with a giant butterfly net does not give me confidence. >> unless that man is will smith. speaking of end times, the latest "wall street journal" poll finds support for marriage equality is at an all-time high. not in that majority ted cruz who last night told iowa evangelicals that he alone will do whatever it takes to stop it.

is ted cruz just not worried about the big picture? he just seems so decidedly focused on the very narrow ted cruz lane of voter, that he just seems content to throw away what the rest of the country thinks. >> i'd like to encourage that. he did lose my vote over that statement. he wasn't going to get it. it is an odd choice to choose that rapidly narrowing lane of people who do not -- i was going to say something very uncharitable towards them but let's say that rapidly narrowing slice of people who will be on the wrong side of history no matter what's in their hearts. this is ironic that we have seen what it looks like with selma and being on the wrong side of history. >> he's going to be out there

with butterfly net. 40% of republicans support gay marriage up from 27% two years ago. back to politics with hillary clinton's mobile devices in the news i would be remiss if i did not ask each of you how many devices do you use to conduct official business? joy, i will start with you because i know here we have work e-mail addresses and we have home e-mail addresses. >> i have my iphone for work. this is the official iphone of nbc news and i have an android phone, a far superior phone, for my personal use. >> kevin, you are a man that likes to go analog. you still use an ipod which seems quaint. >> how dare you bust me up like that on national tv? >> this is the beginning of the end for us. >> i'm still doing this. >> you're still using that circular wheel motion.

>> it is like having a rotary phone. i have an ipod because it has more of my music. yeah, i don't know. i only have one phone for e-mails and stuff. >> ana marie? >> i am a poor contractor. i only have a personal e-mail address, but i try to cc as many people as possible on efg everything. >> that's how you keep it safe. it's a digital butterfly net. thank you for your time. next on "now," here is what mcdonald's not loving. seattle's new $15 minimum wage. we'll have more about that after the break.

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according to mcdonald's it violates the 14th amendment. they argue that it gives small businesses a longer time frame to increase business' salaries to 15 an hour. that argue that it violates the fourteenth amendment's equal protection clause. good evening americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from detroit lakes, minnesota. let's get to work. >> i know there have been questions about my e-mails. >> tonight, hillary clinton speaks out about e-mail. >> looking back, it might have been smarter to have two devices in the beginning. war has been declared on labor's house. and republican's double down on their open letter to iran. >> do you regret sending a