it's the of of the hour. welcome to "morning joe." it's friday. does anyone feel like it's been kind of a long week willie? >> yeah. >> it's been a long one. >> we all have. former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, steve rattner with us, anchor of bliz.com, amy holmes. great to have you this morning. >> good to be here. >> we've got some political news. we've got e-mails from jeb to

hillary. that's fascinating. we're going to get to it in a second because i knew if we started with it you wouldn't be able to get past it. >> no. >> b.b. netanyahu may be in trouble. >> i'm not happy about that. i'm not happy about that. just because i didn't like the speech that was politically and probably a bad thing on the part of republicans doesn't mean i'm rooting for him to fail. >> you can't stand him. >> no. now, joe. >> everybody that comes on -- >> no. >> the cringes and she draws up. >> if i did this to you -- >> did what to you? >> makes it sound like you hated someone when you didn't you would take offense. i did not like what happened over the past few weeks. you know what? the republicans. kind of boosted a way the second

piece of news made it secondary news by send that ridiculous letter. so i don't even remember the netanyahu speech buzz the letter was so hand fisted. >> the netanyahu speech is not working out so well for him in israel. >> they should have listened to me steve rattner. >> nice tease. we begin this morning though in ferguson missouri, where the shooting of two police officers has put the city back on edge. things remained calm in ferguson last night as protesters gathered outside the police department where wednesday night's shooting took place. just hours after two officers were released from the hospital. clergy members and community leaders addressed the crowd and called for an end to senseless violence. a manhunt for those responsible continues. so far, there are still no suspects. attorney general eric holder and president obama who appeared on ""jimmy kimmel live"" both condemned the shooting. >> i want to be very clear here.

i unequivocally condemn these repugnant attacks. what happened last night was a pure ambush. this was not someone trying to bring healing to ferguson. this was a punk. >> what was beautiful about selma was reminding ourselves that real social change in this country so often has happened because ordinary people are willing in a nonviolent fashion to make their voices heard. and here i think that what. happening in ferguson was oppressive and objectionable and worthy of protests but there was no excuse for criminal acts. >> joining us live from ferguson missouri nbc news correspondent craig melvin. craig, what's the latest the mood in the city overnight? >> mika the mood overnight here, i can tell you after spending some time on the streets just outside of ferguson police department subdued.

the protests considerably smaller than what we saw the night before. a lot of foeksz, you talk to them, they are just as disgusted as just about everyone else was yesterday when word spread the two officers had been shot. overnight, of course condemnation coming from president obama who appeared on "jimmy kimmel." as you just played that bite there from eric holder. we got a statement from the parents of michael brown. michael brown, the unarmed teenager shot here the parents of michael brown issuing a statement that reads in part quote, we resquekt any kind of violence directed toward members of law enforcement. we specifically denounce the actions of stand-alone agitators who sun successfully attempt to derail the otherwise peaceful and nonviolent movement that has emerged throughout the nation to confront police brutality and to afford the cause of equality under the law for all. that coming from the parents of michael brown. we should also tell you that the

protesters that we talked to yesterday, last evening, into night, they are adamant about the fact that whoever is responsible for shooting those police officers is not directly affiliated with the protest movement, how they can be so sure? i don't know. but as you indicated, the manhunt continues. senior law enforcement official telling me a few hours ago while they have several strong leads at this point, they do not have any suspects. mika? >> nbc's craig melvin thank you very much. >> joining us now former director of security intelligence officer for rudy giuliani, sal. good to see you this morning. you and i were talking before the show and you said to me that if and when they find this person or these people it will be because the community makes it happen. >> yeah absolutely. i think as most crimes that happen in this country, you have your forensics and you've got your technical capability, but it really is the community that comes forth to let people -- let

the officers know who the real bad guys are and who was responsible for this. especially when you start seeing the amount of money, the reward money being put out, that's just going to further expedite this. >> so what we're hearing is the shot came from about 125 yards away. that's the estimate anyway. we don't know what kind of weapon was used at this point. was this a good shot? was it a lucky shot? i hate to use the word lucky but if you're the guy shooting it was. what kind of attempt was this? >> well, i think some of the earlier reports came out the recovered rounds they found, the shell casings they found were of a handgun. the belief was that it was a hand gun used. you know in my experience over the years, i've seen shooters become incredibly lucky and being able to be accurate from incredible distances. i think something like this it all depends on how it was set up. if there were a bunch of officers standing next to each other this a line then it's

just a lucky shot the bullet hits two of them standing in line. if they were by themselves then it changes the dynamics slightly. i think this is going to come down to just some lucky shot. >> let's hope they trk this guy down quickly. sal, thanks so much. you know it's amazing, too, the officers, one was shot in the face. webster groves officer was released from the hospital yesterday. thank god for that. >> lucky or not it was deliberate. >> yeah. >> attempted assassination. a lot of us forget that this town has been through hell. >> can you imagine? >> riot businesses burnt to the ground. can you imagine living there living this this tinder box every day? >> no. refuels it. >> that's a story of ferguson really that i'm afraid we're going to hear about in the coming months and possibly years, a town, there are parts of it where streets are abandoned, where businesses have shut it up and they have left. there are concerns that this part of st. louis may look like detroit, you know in years to

come. i certainly hope after all of the racial tensioning are eased and all of the right moves are made, and i believe they will be. i'm very optimistic about that. i hope we can have business communities focusing on kick starting, that's a kickstart campaign. kickstart ferguson and bring hope to those residents. living in hell since this. >> this is also a place where government has a role. just like the it were a hurricane or any other event, government has a role in helping to rebuild. and we see in the current world of we don't want government to do very much to see whether we can marshall some government forces here to make this a better place. >> we can. i will say that we could have much larger debate about the problems with ferguson beyond racism and the problems of a sense of hopelessness. yes, the government has a role to play but if there is not private investment if there aren't good jobs good wages

there -- >> and, joe, there can't be private investment if there isn't security and police officers patrolling who are now apparently targets. >> that's the point. it all goes hand in hand. you need all of these pieces to come together to make this place work again. >> it doesn't help? >> what's that? >> comments that are just idiotic and add to the problems in places like ferguson. >> are you talking about benjamin netanyahu? what does he have to do? >> meddling that election mika. >> stop meddling in the internal affairs of the israeli people. >> you would not know -- >> 47 republicans. >> exactly. >> you're right. i am so sorry. all right. but what i was talking about was new york city mayor rudy giuliani who is speaking out about wednesday night's shooting in ferguson. and policing in general. and i can't really believe what he said. in an interview thursday giuliani brought up former ferguson police officer darren wilson and said he should be quote, commended, for shooting michael brown.

>> there's an atmosphere of unbalance here. all we talk about is the police did h wrong, the police did that wrong, the police did this wrong. that's a footnote. the major headline is the police of the united states make it possible for you and me to go home every night and be safe. >> what happened in ferguson is man committed a rememberery, attempted to assault a police officer, and the police officer to save his life shot him and -- the police officer did his duty. the police officer should be commended for what he did. he did exactly what he should do. >> mika you say that's an idiotic statement. >> at some point you really have to be sensitive to the feeling of the people. >> right. >> i think that town this country actually has been rocked by what happened in ferguson and other cities across the country, police shootings of unarmed black men, whether they ended up indicted or not. i know the facts were extremely

different. but ultimately it is sad what happened. it's a sign of a need for an improvement in the way our system works. it's not a commendation. >> i think rudy giuliani might say, and he has said and more that he was talking about a one-sided we debate. i wonder if his argument is that the police officers should also -- we should also be concerned about police officers who are being shot and also who had to deal with a lot of -- what did he say -- >> we can commend and defend policing. there is certainly another side to this amy, for sure. at this point he knows when he names those names, when he goes into that case he's digging up a lot of emotional pain in a town quite frankly, an area and even a country that is really hurting. >> and i think that he's going too far in suggesting the police officer should be commended for what i think we all think was a tragic situation, whatever side you come down on no one's life

should be lost. >> willie it's one thing if you say, listen we can understand based on what the justice department has seen and eric holder decided, that this police officer had a right to defend himself. >> yeah. >> you can say that and i don't think it will raise anybody's eyebrows. but when you say somebody should be commended for a shooting that started a racial war basically in america, at least a political/racial war. >> that ended someone's life. >> yeah that ended somebody's life commended? i don't think so. i think you're commended for safing lives. >> it's obviously inflammatory. he shouldn't have said commended. i do think he believes every word he said. i don't think -- i think he and many other people in the country have been tired of watching cops becomevillianized as the bad guys in all cases. there are some bad cops. the vast majority are good. i think he's one of the people who has come out and spoke in their defense. >> we all agree on that but there are other words you can

use. >> i agree. >> what's the deal with rudy? >> what is going on with him? >> i want to ask, what is going on with him because i -- you know, we heard what he said before that kicked up a lot of controversy last week. and now he's saying this. it's almost when you say commended, he's smart enough to know that's going to touch off a firestorm. what's going on? >> i think you're look at a politician who is no longer relevant, who for a brief shiny moment sort of crossed the cosmos and had a great future. now he's kind of irrelevant. i don't know. in the times i've seen him in events and speaking in places i found him just so edgy and partisan and mean spirited that i just think this is the new rudy and not a particular -- >> hold on. rudy giuliani is always had a reputation for speaking his mind oftentimes sharply or provocatively. i think he is relevant. that's why we're talking about him. that's why republicans listen to him and so does the rest of the country.

you're seeing a politician unplugged. he's not running for re-election. he's a television pundit and speaking his mind. >> the more he says this kind of stuff the less relevant he's going to be. >> you can say it's unhelpful but not relevant. >> that's probably the case he becomes less relevant with each statement. mika and i were talking with someone who worked very closely with rudy giuliani for a very long time who said you know why rudy is doing this? because when he's not in the conversation, it drives him crazy. >> yeah. let's move on. >> that's it. could israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu lose next week's election in israel? >> would you buy a big cake when that happens? >> i don't hate. >> bring it to the set for us? >> joe. >> will you do that? >> first of all, let's not review that you were so wrong about this speech and you know that and you can't now like make it look like it was hate driven that i was right. no. i was just right. >> willie why does she hate when loving would be so much

easier. >> a poll for the jerusalem post shows the zionist union winning 25 seats compared to 21 for the likud peter. they found 72% of israelis want change while 20% do not. >> i would say if you look at those numbers not really good for an incumbent. 72% want change. >> wow. >> 50% no longer want netanyahu to be prime minister. so mika what do you think? >> i think that -- you know this is for them to decide. i don't have an opinion on that. i just had an opinion on him coming here for the election and speaking before congress. >> as i said maybe i'm wrong, okay but as i said -- >> may be wrong but probably not. >> probably not. thank you so much. >> he was wrong. >> i said if this was the wrong thing to do for israelis israelis will speak out. they are realizing their relationship with the united states is the most important

relationship when it comes to a national security and i think they may be uncomfortable having a prime minister that has such a bad relationship with the president of the free world. >> that's a piece of it. interestingly enough they're also saying to themselves that's fine, he's running around the world but what about the economy here? the economy in israel is not doing so great. growing a couple percent a year. housing prices is up 45%. the old tip o'neil line all kol picks is local. >> israeli politics is volatile. >> yeah. >> it seems almost like the prime ministership is a revolving door. one year and back the next. perhaps this speech and as you say, having this contend shuns relationship with the united states is bothering israeli voters. >> what would be fascinating, a lot of people want to see, your father and foreign policy people on the right, center and the left, they want to see a coalition put together that would move peace, at least the peace process forward. >> absolutely. now, netanyahu is also launching a last-minute media blitz that

includes footage of his controversial address to congress. and claiming he's the best person to stand up for israel. >> with the security of israel existence of israel requires me prime minister, to take a stance that is put forward by the president of the united states, that's who i'm here for. that's what the leader of israel has to do. they can't stand up for a second. they won't stand up for a millisecond. they have zero leadership. they believe that the only thing they have to do is say yes -- say yes to any demand that comes from -- even the best of our allies. and the answer is no we shouldn't. still ahead on "morning joe," the spokesman for the st. louis police officers association joins us live. he says the protesters in ferguson wanted dead cops. plus understanding isis in order to beat it. one author and terror expert lays out the key strategies to

take down the militant machine. also we know hillary clinton sends plenty of e-mails but there are lots of other politicians who don't send any. why many lawmakers are pulling the plug and what it means for a generation of digital savvy voters. >> i've been saying for years i was going to stop sending e-mails. you can't do that. i keep sending them. every morning. >> really? oh well, yes, your angry e-mails at us. >> they are not angry. >> let's look at those. >> that would be so much fun. i've got them. . i've got them. but first, let's go to bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill, if you could stop sending me those e-mails. >> god, bill. >> i figured sooner or later you're going to answer me one time. >> does your wife know? does your wife know that you're sending these things to mika? >> somebody has to proofread them right? >> there's no reading in those e-mails. >> we're getting into anthony

weiner territory. >> a long time right past it. >> all right. >> all right. let's talk about the wet weekend forecast in the east and also a horrible disaster taking place right now on the other side of the globe. the island chain. category 5 equivalent cyclone. 160-mile-per-hour winds. eye is almost over the top of port villa. that is the capital. 60,000 people right now going through the eye of 160 160-mile-per-hour winds. feel for them. now, rain is soaking the gulf coast as it has done for much of this week. but now it is spreading northward. your weekend forecast looks very wet in the ohio valley especially your friday and early saturday. the northeast and mid atlantic your rain is mostly during the day saturday. not worried about flooding there. if you're on the ohio river, areas of kentucky, i'llllinois, and ohio moderate flooding.

it could cause some problems and maybe issues as far as structures. today's forecast continue from l.a. to kentucky, flood threat, look how warm l.a. is 90 degrees. this winter we didn't get the rain. the drought continues to get worse. 92 in l.a. if you want one nice day this weekend in the northeast and mid atlantic and much of the east coast, that will be as we head into your sunday. middle of the country you're looking okay pretty much all weekend long. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back after this beautiful look. that should be a nice day in new york city. it's one of the most amazing things we build and it doesn't even fly. we build it in classrooms and exhibit halls, mentoring tomorrow's innovators. we build it raising roofs, preserving habitats and serving america's veterans. every day, thousands of boeing volunteers help make their communities the best they can be. building something better for all of us.

all right. let's look at the morning papers. we're talking about this yesterday. the "new york daily news," a 16-year-old allegedly behind a brutal fight caught on camera is now facing multiple charges. we should warn you what we're about to show you is really disturbing video. it shows a group of girls attacking another girl at a mcdonald's in brooklyn. despite dozens of witnesses no

one intervenes here. the girl had been charge with gang assault and robbery for stealing the victim's phone and purse. officials say she had been arrested six times since turning 16 including for assaulting and violating an order of protection. >> everybody just watching while the i fighting goes on. a lot of people are stuck talking about yesterday morning on the set. 1964 brutally you know impaled to death and nobody did anything. here thanks get their iphones out. >> and nobody called 911. you don't have to jump in the middle of it but get help. insane. >> stunning. all right. "usa today," american health worker infected with ebola while fighting the outbreak in sierra leone. this is the seventh person treated in the u.s. more than 10,000 people died from ebola in west africa according to the world health organization. "wall street journal," coca-cola ceo kent turned down a

bonus of $2 million last year his earnings still rose 24% totally $25.2 million last year alone. according to company scc filings. kent said he turned down the annual bonus because of, quote, difficult but necessary decisions taken by the company to boost sales including nearly 2,000 job cuts. >> it's the real thing. coke adds life. i'd like to teach the world to sing. >> okay. >> real coke. >> real coke. >> exactly. exactly. >> they're not good for you. you shouldn't really drink but maybe once a week. that's okay. like a treat. >> i brush my teeth with it. every morning. willie, it just drips off. >> coke zero no calories in that. >> stop. "new york times," in alabama state agency ended its investigation on the mental health of "to kill a mockingbird" author harper lee. whether she was corp. tent enough to consent of the release

of her follow-up novel. the alabama securities commission concluded that lee is aware of the book deal and she is able to voice her opinion. harper's second novel "go set a watchman" will be released in july. let's go to the "courier journal," we can rest easy known that over 200 gallons of stolen bourbon is back in the right hands today. sheriff's deputies in franklin county, kentucky responding to a tip recovered five barrels of the good stuff stashed behind a shed in the man's backyard. each barrel of the popular wild turkey bourbon weighs 500 pounds, value is up to $6,000. deputies also seized 25 firearms $3,000 in cash illegal steroids. the investigation remains ongoing. they may want to call john meacham. >> illegal steroids. i locked the shed but i told you this guy was going to squeal like a pig once the feds came.

>> told me you kept your roids in there, too, man. >> i did. do you think this just happens naturally? >> will ferrell, please. move on. >> wild turkey. kicking chicken. the san francisco con value, from hitting the ice to the nascar track to the basketball court, will ferrell has dominated sports on the silver screen. and now he's doing it in real life, too. yesterday pharrell arrived at major league baseball spring training in arizona in the cactus league to play nine positions for ten different teams. it was part of a funnier special dedicated to raising money for cancer charities. will spoke with our buddy mad dog chris russo about his budding baseball career. >> i'm actually hoping that the acting career is over after today. i'm -- i think it's pretty much the feeling out here that i'm going to land with one of these clubs. >> really? >> you know because everyone -- oh yeah yeah. people need -- these team need a

clubhouse presence. and by presence i mean a 47-year-old flabby guy who doesn't know how to play. but i have life experience. >> which is important. >> that's critical. you want that in the clubhouse. >> struck out at the plate with the cubs and three pitches, i think. but he did make a play in center field with the angels. fielded a single, threw it to second base and got a standing ovation. eugene robinson joins us for the must read opinion pages. we will back with much more "morning joe." e real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do.

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injog us now for the must read opinion pages, columnist for "the washington post," eugene robinson. >> hey, gene. happy friday. >> good morning. happy friday. >> we're going to read from yours. the university of oklahoma fraternity that you're writing about here the university of oklahoma fraternity shut down of video emerged of members engaging in a racist chant. it's planning legal action. our nbc affiliate in oklahoma city confirmed the can'thapter hired high-profile attorney steven jones to possible school the school and university president david boren. jones says boren was wrong to shut down the fraternity's entire chapter and has tarnished

the entire organization over the actions of a few individuals. >> i don't know that i would go there. >> good luck. >> i don't think i would go there. you got the house mother you got everybody on the bus. when nobody speaks out against it? >> the chant was taught by elders to the younger ones. >> yeah. >> whoever is hiring this lawyer probably should just stand down. i think they need to sit down and shut up. >> clearly a culture at this fraternity. >> gene, there's such a culture here. this goes so far beyond two students. just because we only can see two students' faces on there, they're seriously talking about wrongfully -- you know what? they should have snuck out of town at midnight. >> exactly. >> -- ashamed. >> exactly. david boren is probably saying okay, bring it on right? because we've already heard from the students -- one of the student's apologies that we were taught that song by somebody. so who taught them that song?

so discovery in that lawsuit, if there is a lawsuit, is going to uncover all sorts of stuff that i think sae doesn't want discovered. >> gene, is it -- it's interesting. didn't i hear you say though we agree, this fraternity should be kicked off of campus. >> yeah. >> didn't i hear you also say that the students should not have been kicked out of school? did you make that argument? did i read that right? >> no i -- what i wrote was, i said there are questions about their free speech rights. i have read that various places. i think there are arguments to be made on both sides. >> what do you think at that? >> i think boren was right. i think boren did the right thing, which is to kick them out and say, if you've got a problem with that you know take me to court. just because it was so egregious and because of the moment and he just couldn't have that on his campus. >> showing leadership and decisive action which is sometimes better for everybody.

>> some people are arguing about this is free speech public university. that doesn't mean that public university doesn't have a right to have a code of conduct saying we don't care if you're from our state, your parents pay taxes or not. we have a code of conduct in our community. if you don't live up to it you can't be here. >> absolutely the university has ethics. these are students there to be scholars. they are adults and they need to take responsibility for their behavior. it's not just free speech. they were chanting about a policy of their fraternity of exclusion based on race. >> look this case was easy, but the so-called free speech on campus is a lot more complicated. most campuses have restrictions on hate speech and things like that. this is a tricky line. >> it's really trick. >> between the first amendment rights and -- >> and most universities if you playing plagiarize a paragraph from a book, you get kicked out. >> he makes a good point there is a larger issue here that

could be talked about. this is a bad case to make that law on because this is so far beyond the pale that i think we should look for, you know a better case to talk about and to decide where to draw that line. >> you know amy said something interesting, willie here. these are adults right? there are so many times because i've got older kids in their 20s. i look back oh, they're just kids. when this happens, they're just kids. when you do something like this i go back to when i was in college, when you were in college, they're not kids. they know exactly what they're doing. >> a 12-year-old knows not to chant something like that. >> a 12-year-old knows not to do that. my 6-year-old would know not to chant that. so yeah they -- they got what they deserved. >> i just wish and maybe it will come out later. i just wish there was one person on that bus who we could see on film stand up and say, hey, guy, no. and walk off the bus or yell at them. >> that was so far down the --

>> i also wonder who else was on the bus chanting it? it wasn't two guys. it was a lot more than that. >> you heard a girl say, oh, you've never heard this before as if this is something that's a normal thing for these guys to be talking about. >> you need to know. >> let's read some of gene's column. you write this morning in the "washington post." fraternity boys and in long shadow of racism. i realize these soft pampered, privileged ridiculous frat boys are not likely to attempt actual violence against black people but they wouldn't have to. their attitudes, their words can reveal and probably will show themselves in other ways. let's imagine the video never surfaced. with halfway decent grades degrees from oklahoma's flagship university and connections that sae old boy network could provide the boys on that bus could be expected to end up in executive positions with the power to hire and fire. what chance could an african-american job applicant have of getting fair consideration? >> gene, that's a great point. i talked about my experiences at the university of alabama and i said i never heard racism. a lot of you are saying are you

kidding me? i wasn't in a fraternity. i also came from a very middle class family. and you bring up a great point because i know, you know the rich kids from the best parts of oklahoma city or birmingham or whatever, there is sort of an insularity there. maybe i wasn't exposed to it. >> i don't think that's fair. i was in the or reporterity when i was in collegend i never heard this type of behavior i never heard this type of talk or saw this type of behavior. i went to princeton university and i was a fta and rush chair. nothing like this would ever be tolerated. >> i can't tell you as much as i love the university of alabama and i'm really proud we elected our first black student government president a couple days ago. which i ran to abolish the student government in 1985 because i was even more subtle then as now because as i said the sga is racist.

nobody has the guts. because it did exclude black students. there though is, gene, on some of these campuses in the most elite fraternities the elite of the elites and you know what you're in the machine, then you're in the sga, then you're running the state. your column really hit home with me. >> well, thanks. and there is a sort of conveyer belt right, that sort of leads to high positions in life and you vusjust have to wonder. if you take these attitudes and they get re-enforced and then there they are. and it's a way that racism gets perpetuated through the generations. it's just -- you know it's depressing, but it's interesting when the curtain is pulled back and you get a glimpse at something this ugly and this hideous, it's a sort of wake-up

moment, i think, for a lot of us. and maybe some good will come of it. >> we want to -- we need to make sure, your like you did yesterday, i forget what we were talking about. oh talking about the police. make sure now the parents of i think, one of these kids at least come out condemn the statement. they'd sarp ashamed. >> of their own son. >> of their own son. we're certainly not cast -- we don't know what the parents are like. we're certainly not casting the parents in the light of what we just said. we don't know them. i'm talking in the most general terms, my life experiences. i've been talking about for the past couple of days as white southern guy. >> these kids should be kicked out of school but not condemned for life. hopefully they can learn from this and grow and become the kind of people gene talked about. you told a story yesterday about being in elementary school and one kid said something racially ugly and dragged out by their ear. if there's any good to come out of this david boren has effectively done what your teacher did and drag these kids out by the ear and not just that school but the whole country has

seen this is not acceptable behavior. >> not just -- not just the president but the other students. the offer students who rallied and students of all races. >> guess what, the student on the bus that used the camera phone and then released it -- >> he wanted it out. >> let the word go forth, your words, your hate speech gene you're not safe on a bus, you're not safe in the bathroom. >> just don't say it. >> you're not safe anywhere with this type of language because a camera phone may always be running m and you will pay the ultimate price for it. >> it makes a big difference. >> eugene stay with us. still ahead, we've been talking a lot about the hillary clinton e-mail controversy. "the washington post" catherine says there is another e-mail scandal brewing that should be far more upsetting for anyone under the age of 40. >> this one applies to me. i got to pay attention. >> and amy. she joins us next. ♪ ah, push it. ♪ ♪

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do you have a private e-mail address? >> i don't e-mail. no. you can have every e-mail i've ever sent. i've never sent one. i don't know what it makes me. really, this is big in this regard. did she communicate on behalf of the clinton foundation as secretary of state? did she call the terrorist attack in benghazi a terrorist attack in realtime? i want to know. the one thing i'll never agree to is let the state department tell us what e-mails we should receive or let her and her team tell us. some independent group how old should do that. >> lindsey graham telling chuck todd he doesn't use e-mail. joins us now catherine rampell, her latest piece is about what she calls the senators who el come and rarely use e-mail and flunt it. she writes in part this maybe not using e-mail was initially motivated by a craven desire to

avoid record keep being thank you casualness with which these senators acknowledge such habits reveals something scarier, at least to those born after 1980 how utterly uninterested they are in understanding the daily experience workplace expectations or priorities of their younger constituents. >> i totally disagree with you. i was watching this entire view on my beta max and got in the car and put in the eight track. >> did a carrier pigeon fly by and send you a message? >> printed it out on a dot matrix? >> yes. >> i'm not sure i agree with you but i want to hear more. why does this -- what does this reveal to you? >> i just think it's so reveal that they don't realize that this should be embarrassing. it's not just libd say graham. >> why is it embarrassing? >> because this is like several deng decades old technology because they think they're above, maybe because they have minions to take care of it for them.

this is integral part of everyday americans in everyday life and they never sent an e-mail. >> as a former hill staffer, i'm sure some of lindsey graham's staff is grateful they're not getting those midnight e-mails from their boss keeping them awake. >> people around me on the hill and here would love me not to use e-mail. >> he has a cellphone as you can see there. i guess what you're talking about is sort of a disconnect with the younger generation. let me push back a little more and say i think the younger generation often shares too much online. >> i'm sure that's true. >> on e-mail. there is no boundary actually to the things that they share. >> you actually think this is smart though mika. >> i think it's smart. i will say i think lindsey graham is smart not to use e-mail. >> do you think they're just -- do you think that they're just really shrewd and they don't want any records? >> i think they're too lazy to learn. >> too lazy to learn, really? >> i think it's like i mean --

having worked with some other colleagues who don't want to take the time to learn this new thing technology i think it's -- >> they may be texting. they're suffering the web and googling. just that they don't want this general form of communication. >> maybe. >> gene? >> no i think the -- i think the issue is they have people to do it for them. and my guess is that if lindsey graham were an ordinary person who had an ordinary job, he would of course be using e-mail because he wouldn't have an office full of staffers who were busy e-mailing for him and then i guess, printing stuff out for him or calling him on the phone and reading it to him or however they communicate with him. but they must have some way to get that information to him. so, you know i wonder in the final analysis does that make a difference in terms of the actual information that comes in and the actual information that goes out. it has a filter but does it make

an ultimate difference? >> i think it does. if they don't really understand how people communicate today and they're setting tech policy or basically any other policy on aerpt that has been affected by the digital revolution which is pretty much every other policy on earth, how informed are these decisions they're making. >> not just that willie. i don't know how you function in business. i really don't, if you don't have an e-mail. i remember on the hill constantly, you know, with the blackberry at the time you know, again, just pushing and moving business forward. i don't know how you do it. >> it's hard to imagine the way we all live our lives and presumably they live their lives on capitol hill to not have that kind of communication. obviously it's kind of ridiculous in 2015 k3wr0u7. do you think there are real implications for it though for policy? >> i think using modern technology is a necessary though not efficient condition for understanding how technology works, how technology affects people's everyday lives, what skills employers are looking for. i feel like a lot of people on

the hill are often lecturing the unemployed about not taking the time to invest in the skills that employers want and yet these guys don't even seem to understand, you know what's really required of the modern worker today. >> point taken. i get it. i get it. sometimes nothing good comes out of a -- >> i like the post debate that we have. >> catherine rampell, always good to have you on. thank you very much. on monday's show by the way, you cannot accuse her of not being logged in. prolific tweeter and u.s. senator. claire mccaskill joins us onset in washington. up next julia roberts did it for jimmy kimmel and last night it was president obama's turn. we'll sheeow you what it was when we come back.

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what happened last night was a pure ambush. this was not someone trying to bring heeling to ferguson. this was a damn punk. >> what is beautiful about selma was reminding ourselves that real social change in this country so often has happened because ordinary people are willing in a nonviolent fashion to make their voices heard. and i think that what had been happening in ferguson was oppressive and objectionable and was worthy of protests but there was no excuse for criminal acts. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's the top of the hour. the blaze's amy holmes is still with us onset along with you joan robinson in washington steve rattner here. joining the table, the host of" the last word" lawrence o'donnell who divulged to us -- >> applause, that's a first. >> one clap and a slow one.

>> we're not used to seeing you at this hour. >> could you come by at 10:00 p.m.? i would love to hear that noise. >> studio audience. >> just one person. >> yeah. >> you revealed actually the big surprise om of the morning. >> joe scarborough was not in a fraternity. >> oh, no. >> if anyone appears to be the cliche fraternity brother. >> no. >> i say that with disdain for fraternities, of course. >> this shows how little you know about me. i was the scourge. i was a anti-matter. i ran to abolish the student government which was in effect to abolish the machine which was a small select group of rich fraternities that dominated the sbish entire campus. there was a small band of us who sort of did that. it was -- you mean read about the machine at alabama, it goes all of the way back to the civil war. and it was an ugly -- it was an ugly -- ugly fight. actually what happened was a couple of years after my

campaign, somebody else campaigned and they finally abolished it, took it off the campus for 10 or 15 years. put it back on. my whole argument in 1985 was that -- and i told them i was even less subtle then than now. my campaign slogan was, nobody has the guts to stand up and yell, bsj is racist. >> oh, my. >> because there had been not been a black student in student government i think in like ten years because they had at large voting and it was the machines that would set it up that would only have people from their fraternities there. >> there you go. >> but -- but this only came up because -- and this is big news for alabama, t least. they not only beat the machine two days ago but they elected the first black student to run the sja in 40 years, which to beat the machine is a huge thing. nobody has done it -- >> he was not a fraternity member? >> no. so the machine has won every

year down there since 1986. not only was this a huge shock on campus politics but -- there he is right there. >> that's so -- that deserves real applause. >> that deserves -- >> not that lawrence didn't. >> but anyway yeah no i was the anti-matter to fraternities. i was easily the most hated independent on the university of alabama campus by greek leaders. >> you know what's nice joe, is that now no one hates you. isn't that a nice feeling in. >> what's shocking to me is that anybody ever would. >> they love to hate joe. >> just glancing at twitter. >> i thought everybody loved me. >> wow. don't do that please. >> really? >> enraged against the machine? >> i raged against the machine. >> that's good. i like that. also said that it was formative for you in your future political career. >> it actually was. and it's fup any, people on campus like when i helped the lead the coup against gingrich

or debating the -- they say people don't change. raging against the machine. machine is better than machine. >> we don't need to do their albums. go ahead. >> how about that? we continue to follow the developments out of ferguson, missouri. the mood was peaceful last night as protesters gathered outside the police department where the shooting happened just hours after two officers were released from the hospital. clerg ji members and community members addressed the crowd and called for calm. a manhunt for those responsible continues. and so far there are still no suspects. nbc news correspondent ron allen is in ferguson where he reports on a shoot that the st. louis county police chief is calling an ambush. >> reporter: without warning gunfire, at least three shots, shattered the calm evening outside ferguson police headquarters. potentially deadly moment. two officers hit, one took a

bullet through the shoulder. the other hit in his face. rushed from the scene. >> stay down. >> reporter: nbc news team right in the middle of the chaos. >> and the police said get down get down. and guns were drawn. we all hit the floor. it was a frightening moment. >> move, move move. >> reporter: the police response was intense. scores surrounding headquarters launching a manhunt. police say the weapon was probably a handgun fired from a residential theyneighborhood on a hill overlooking headquarters. >> it got quiet. all we heard was the police of course shouting to take cover and they're getting their guns out and riot gear out and everything like that. it was pretty surreal. >> reporter: a stunning end to a demonstration that was winding down. following the resignation of embattled ferguson police chief tom jackson, the sixth city employee out of a job along with the city manager and top judge, since a scathing federal report charging wide spread bias.

through months of pro tests with gunfire often in the air, they've long feared this might happen. >> we're lucky by god's grace we didn't lose two officers. >> idiotic thing that could have been done. >> reporter: charles davis opened a new business the day before michael brown was killed last august and violence erupted along ferguson's main drag. now this. >> surprised? >> very surprising. especially with the fact that we are getting the changes that we were wanting. >> reporter: the davis essay they will see it through. among many wondering when this beleaguered city will ever escape what feels like a constant downward spiral. the two wounded officers left the hospital. they're expected to recover. intense manhunt continues for the shooter with several people being brought in for questioning but no suspect named and no arrests. we now understand the my sureissouri highway patrol will be in charge of security like it was during the state of emergency here during the worst of times for

ferguson. >> gene robinson how much longer, how long must we sing this song u2 how long will ferguson, this suburb of st. louis, going to be gripping the nation's consciousness? >> you know, it's a good question, joe. we don't know. you know what was this about? apparently a handgun was used in this shooting from some distance? i understand i guess from that description why eric holder said it was some damn punk. perhaps it was just some guy, some kid who decided to take some potshots. who knows. how do you find that person and how do you know you found the right person and you've ended up and you can start to get back to normal. so i don't know how long this goes on. but sometime longer. >> attempted assassination of ferguson police. i think we know what it's about. and as we -- we were talking

earlier this morning that oftentimes people are caught because they blab they tell their friends, their friends know about it, their friends go to authorities. hopefully that will happen in this case. >> lawrence we talked last hour, how do we move beyond this? how does ferguson get back on its feet? >> yeah you know, eric holder called it a pure ambush. eric holder's words were as angry as anyone yesterday about this because this is the kind of thing that gets in the way, to put it mildly of the very important work that he did in ferguson and the incredibly important work that the protesters did because eric holder wasn't ever going to go there if those protesters were not out there on the streets. we now see the inner workings on the police department and the court system that should be outrage across the board politically for libertarians for liberals everybody in between. and to have somebody literally hiding behind the protesters

using the protesters as the reason that draws the police out of the building in the first place and leaves the police just sitting there as nothing but targets, to have one person decide to use the protesters that way is something that obviously and correctly outraged the attorney general and the president and should outrage everyone. much more ahead on this but we move to iran now. there are new developments this morning in negotiations to reach a possible nuclear deal with iran. reuters is reporting a that is six world powers are actively involved in talks to lift u.n. sanctions against iran. the u.n. security councility council would approve a resolution if an agreement is reached. meanwhile, iran's supreme leader is criticizing the 47 republican senators who sent his country a letter warning against a possible nuclear deal. the ayatollah says he believes it shows the u.s. political

system has disintegrated and the collapse of political ethics. >> i'm sorry. natural reaction. the guy who runs a country that's going to epicenter of terrorism since 1979 is talking about government am ethics. it's rich. >> he also added that he had doubts about the talks because, quote, americans are cunning and mischievous and may stab from behind. meanwhile, two potential republican candidates for 2016 both push back against white house criticism over the letter. >> this whole hand wringing about the letter, i signed the letter after the president veto'd -- threatened to veto the bill. i'm supposed to be charged with treason now, i guess. you talk about people don't know what they're talking about all over television. have no idea what they're saying, just turn your the on. there's nothing provocative here. what was provocative is for the president of the united states

to tell the congress i will veto any effort on your part to look at relieving sanctions you created. >> i'm not a united states senator but i signed that letter because i happen to believe that there are some things that are too important not to frankly find compromise on. allowing iran to get its hands on a nuclear weapon is nonnegotiable in my opinion. >> you know oh we. >> what do you think? >> i think that speaks for itself. >> what do you mean? >> we're good. you all know what we're thinking here. thank you to the ayatollah for krit krystalizing but then those two. seriously. >> i would like to thank ayatollah myself for helping the 47 senators by actually accusing us of not having governmental ethics when again, they blow up and kill americans and other people across the globe. >> i think there's something here the people are missing. the senate republicans who did sign that letter they're

actually helping the administration by playing bad cop. they're allowing president obama to go to iran and say, hey, i've got these guys here who say this deal will not work. if they don't pass this then this deal is not going to work for you. i think behind the scenes there might be a little bit more strategy. >> i think they're undermining the deal. >> i actually don't think they're undermining the deal. this sounds straight out of lawrence o'donnell's play blook, the counter intuitive. the negotiation is right. newt gingrich always used us crazies. >> you do. >> brilliantly. said, you know if you don't deal with me bill clinton, you're going to have to deal can scarborough and salmon and all the crazies over there. the same thimg happens here. the only way we reopen the government is gingrich would go over to clinton and go oh, i got to deal with those guys. and clinton would say -- they would work together. the same thing could happen here.

>> the one distinction about this historically is the way this kind of thing has been done is that the address on that letter is to the president of the united states. and that's the way it's always been done. and i've been in trade negotiations back when i was the finance committee where -- in geneva. we would be sitting there and sometimes we would have letters from other members of congress and we would say to them look we get it but look at what we got here. we've got 47 signatures on this. >> exactly. >> but they were all domestic. now, just consider if that letter had been written to the president, consider what the difference of this news story would be. that would have been a one day story and -- >> it would still useful and helpful for the president to have. >> talking about the other side has to know what i'm dealing with over here. >> and, the president can also say, listen, willie he can say you've got the 47 senators. look at all of these polls.

70% of americans don't think that this deal is going to mean anything. and barack obama can honestly say, hey, i hate to say it guys we either get this deal or you're going to have sanctions on you for the rest of your lives. >> right. >> but they know that. that's all being communicated. it's all now being communicated through tv. >> by the way, this is the exclamation point to your point and to automatic my's point on that whole deal. >> let's bring in chuck joining us from capitol hill moderator of "meet the press," chuck todd. good morning, sir. >> good morning. >> we've got the ayatollah on one side we've got republican senators on another side. does the deal come out of this whole thing in the end? >> oh, i think there's going to be a framework but i do think we forget that there are five other countries involved here. and i think that that gets lost in this way too often in the coverage. and you've got to ask yourself if a deal falls apart, do we really think the russians and the chinese are going to stick to sanctions? frankly, do we think all the

western european countries are going to stick to these sanctions? that's the, to me the more complicated part of these negotiations that we goes over too easily. you know there's this simple mindedness that somehow it's the president and john kerry negotiating with the iranians. we've got the russians and the chinese sort of letting us do this. if it falls apart, they're walking away. and then guess what these sanctions, it only becomes u.s. and british sanctions and maybe french sanctions and that's it and much less effective. i think you're going to see the framework. now, the question is after march 24th, between, you know that and june 30th, does it blow up because at that point, you know and this is why i think senate republicans may have overplayed their handed because they may have alienated the 25 democrats that would have joined them and potentially made the president's life miserable on this. >> all right. moving on here to other politics. a number of potential gop

candidates are ramping up fund-raising efforts moving closer to entering the 2016 presidential race. governor chris christie has officially formed a super pac allowing him to begin collecting unlimited support from donors and bloomberg news reports jeb bush has 41 major donors onboard. bush recently released nearly 300,000 e-mails from his time as florida governor. associated press found many major donors urged bush and his family for favors and offered suggestions when it came to nominations. a bush spokeswoman said people who fund raise for the governor did not have extra influence with him. >> so you mean like the bundlers for obama who are now ambassadors? >> like that? >> there are some being pushed in, yes. i can think of one. >> like that? >> yeah like that. he released the e-mails so we can see it and talk about it. i would love to see all of the e-mails. >> so i guess we need to talk to both of these things. >> yeah. >> first, chris christie chuck

todd. what is the attitude of the republican donor class and activists towards chris christie right now and his candidacy? >> he's not getting a huge response right now. he's getting a very narrow response. he's got his guy working his tail off but, beyond that, he's not -- i don't think he's getting the response that maybe even a year ago he thought he would get. this is a case where jeb's vacuuming -- just vacuuming up wall street money. >> lawrence? >> he's in a hopeless position in the polls. campaign investors look at that. and then the other way to look at it is just imagine writing his campaign speeches writing his campaign talking points especially the ones that are in answer to what happened at the george washington bridge which will absolutely come up when he gets out there. i don't know how you right this candidacy. i don't know why you would invest in it. the polls, i think, are pretty

good indications of where it's going. >> chuck, it seems like jeb is prohibitive favorite but i saw yesterday in the "washington post," i guess, in the fix one chart -- the only chart you need to see to tell you that jeb bush is not a lock. and you go into the internals, whether it's on the pathway to citizenship, whether it's on common core, or whether it's on republicans running a bush or a clinton as the next president. the numbers look pretty daunting even though jeb seems to have all the advantages going his way. >> look he's got -- if scott walker doesn't stumble, you know, if scott walker continues to sort of move along, become i mean, by the way, talk about an undercovered story. he called himself the front-runner this week in interview. he said if the president is attacking me perhaps that means i am the front-runner. >> would you call him the front-runner? >> i would rather be scott walker than jeb bush right now if you look at nbc/wall street

journal poll. you talked about pat way to citizenship and common core. as long as walker can stay within 50 cents of every dollar jeb raises. i don't think he has to match him dollar for dollar. if he's within a 2-1 range, there is a point where you can raise enough money. you don't have to -- jeb is going to raise money like we've never seen before. if walker is within you know 50 cents of every dollar that's enough for him to be -- to win this assuming he doesn't stumble stumble. so look you know the conservative alternative to jeb, if it's scott walker, if it's somebody that's a governor with a track record you know jeb needs those guys to stumble. >> but jeb still does best against hillary clinton in the polls. >> among republican party voters dons care about that. >> yeah. >> we shall see. by the way a story we're going to talk about the brown and

parents got a green ikt light for class action lawsuit challengeing tenure in new york state. >> she's been working on this for ponts. >> this is happening across the country, isn't it? i've been shocked. this is more of a bipartisan issue. >> i could go on and on about this, about people who think they know how to handle public school classrooms better than teachers. it's the toughest job in america that doesn't require a gun. how much time do we have? >> really. >> you have five seconds. should teacher bs given tenure? >> of course they should be given tenure yes, absolutely. so the argument should just be about exactly what are the levels of tenure. you could have more than one level of tenure for example. but, yeah these are -- these are people who have worked very hard to get where they are. >> have you and campbell brown debate this at some point. >> i like that. oh, let's bring her on. >> we'll do it. we can. we've got three hours. >> i might steal that. i think lawrence o'donnell and

campbell brown on "meet the press." >> "meet the press" is on on sunday. >> you don't work sunday. you work four days a week. what are you doing here on friday? >> this is my 4 1/2 day week. >> all right. so what do you have planned for sunday? >> we're doing a lot of iran and there's something about an e-mail controversy i've heard about. >> a little something. >> a little something. we're going to do a lot of iran. a couple of senators on that. we're waiting to see from the administration. i should have more in a couple hours about pretty interesting guests. >> keep on booking. chuck todd thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," why destroying isis won't necessarily eliminate the influences behind it. harvard's jessica stern joins us with her compelling new book on what she calls the state of terror. plus france is not happy with a belgian coin commemorating the battle of waterloo waterloo. apparently 200 years is still too soon. >> look what you did. boom, never misses it.

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rchltsz welcome back to "morning joe." joins us from st. louis, former missouri state representative and spokesman for the st. louis police officers association. good morning. >> good morning. >> first and foremost, can you update us on the condition of the the two auftoffice chers sdm so released to hear they were release it is yesterday. >> this is nothing short of miraculous for them to be shot with a .40 caliber it appears is what they were shot with, and to have been able to be discharged from the hospital less than 12 hours later with serious but not life-threatening injuries is just a stroke of luck. >> thank god for that. can you, based on what you've heard over the last 24-36 hours give us a sense, a better sense of exactly what happened the other night, how this shooting went down? >> yeah.

so the dominant theory is thats there a couple of rises next to the building across the street from city hall that are dark. they're elevated. they're sort of covered with trees and surrounding buildings. really hard to spot somebody up there. it's a tactical advantage to shoot from an elevated position like that. and, you know it looks like the shooter or shooters just fired into a group of police officers that were all standing close together in a line. >> sir i want to ask about some comments you said yesterday about the protesters. you said they wanted dead cops. there are a lot of protesters out there who want to protest peacefully and who want change. and have legitimate concerns. are you sure your words were

exact? >> well, first of all, the shooter or shooters were peaceful protesters until they decided to pull a gun out and try to kill two cops. there are certainly peaceful elements within the crowd, along with these violent elements but those folks were placed in jeopardy, too, by these shooters. >> exactly. >> right. >> well, i just wonder then why you would put protesters in a group of one when there are so many people that do certainly want change and have been protesting peacefully night after night after night. are you sure that was the way to say it? >> it ceases to be a peaceful protest the minute somebody in the crowd engages in violence. and that protest then becomes something very different. and you can't -- you can't hear the complaints of the protesters the story that they want to get out in the world over gunfire. >> i'm trying to help you out. all those protesters do not want

dead cops. i think what you did was perhaps lump them all together in a way that with a little hand fisted. >> well, you know a problem with the media coverage of this has been, oh my gosh we have this isolated incident where police officers were shot. this is an ongoing phenomenon. in august for two solid weeks we had shots being fired at police officers for the two nights following the grand jury verdict. there were shots being fired at police officers. all along the media criticizing officers for wearing protective gear ballistic shields would have kept those two officers from being shot the other night. so i'm a little concerned about the rewriting of history here and i think we need to report accurately what's going on. >> so jeff do you believe that the media has done law enforcement a disservice over the past six months with their coverage? >> absolutely yes. >> how? how is that? >> well, i mean the coverage has been very lopsided. you know for the first week

after the michael brown shooting the fraternal order of police, the union that represents ferguson police officers, st. louis city and st. louis county officer, we just -- you know we stood back. we watched what was going on. we were reluctant to step forward. and finally after a week of slanted reporting we decided, hey, it's time to tell law enforcement story. and guess what after a grand jury of you and after a review by the justice department we were right. this hands up don't shoot story was a myth. and officer wilson was acquitted. and now we have this new version of. events in ferguson that's sort of a retooling of history. >> so i certainly had said despite the fact i was attacked every day, certainly said at the time that i thought the hands up, don't shoot based on all the evidence and all the witnesses

was fiction, so i certainly not only agree with you now that eric holder has said it but i said it at the time and got attacked for it but -- >> not from me joe. i thought that tirade you went off on that morning was one of the most pleasing things i saw from media the entire episode. >> you call it a tirade. i call it a thoughtful intellectual discussion. no, i was offended by it for those that weren't -- that weren't watching back then i was offended by the fact that the suggestion by the st. louis rams was that there were cops that were patrolling around looking to shoot young black men with their hands up when the evidence didn't prove it eric holder agrees the justice department agrees. but let's turn the other part of that report which causes me a lot of concerns and i'm sure it causes you a lot of concerns too. >> right. >> and that is if not just out right racism among some of the police rampgnks, latent racism in

procedures and arrest patterns. what does ferguson need to do to clean up their act after the justice department report? >> well, there are some disturbing revelations in that report. the mayor moved swiftly. the day that report was released was the first time he had learned about those e-mails and the identity of the senders. he fired one employee. suspended the other two who eventually resigned right away. the city has acknowledged and made changes in the court system already in the face of criticism about profiteering in the municipal courts. i want to point out the problem is not limited in ferguson. there are far worse offenders out there and there are cities that are populated by african-american cities -- populated by whites. i don't know that that part of the report is really about race

so much as it is bad court practices which the fraternal order of police supports reform in the state legislature on that. >> by the way, i saw, mika "wall street journal" column expounding on this point which actually showed, believe it or not, statewide in missouri the numbers are even more skewed than they are in ferguson. so he's exactly right. jeff's exactly right. this isn't just about ferguson. it's a bigger issue. >> i want to hand it to you for the last question. but first, sort of ask you because i think, sir, the point i was trying to make before and i agree with you. i think there's a side of the story in all of this coverage that hasn't been able to get out there and it is definitely the position that cops are in and there's a lot more we can learn about what they're up against as we discuss you know body cameras and other ways to try and push back against police abuse issues. but they -- those -- things like body cameras pose other problems in terms of liberties. we need to have these

conversations. and people in leadership positions like his, they have a story to tell. there's a place for you at the table, sir. but we do have to be careful, amy, in terms of how we move forward that we don't mischaracterize the intentions of people on both sides of this issue. >> the media also -- i have to jump in here mika. i'm sorry. amy, and then we'll let you go to jeff. the media also has to be careful and not just paint -- >> absolutely. >> we pissed off a lot of people when we showed parts of new york marches where hundreds of people were calling for dead cops. >> absolutely. >> let's be fair to both sides. >> right here in new york city of course, we've been deeming with this issue. and the police department here not appreciating the, quote, unquote, leadership of mayor de blasio and turning their backs on him because they don't appreciate they feel he's abandoned him and not defended them properly. i think both things can be true. i think you can have a bad apple in the bunch who takes this action that discredits everyone

in the group. but i also think that there can be an environment that is spoiling the barrel to you know, use this metaphor. and i think there can be a culture as the gentleman was remarking upon where this was not an isolated incident, where of course we have the police officers here who were assassinated and killed. you've had other incidents in ferguson missouri a police officer being targeted. >> ambushed. >> we've also seen this in los angeles. and a lot of americans, i think are saying, we need to put the brakes on. this needs to stop. we need to have a peaceful respectful conversation about the problems of racism in police forces but also respecting those officers that risk their lives every day to defend us. >> we got to go. final word? >> one thing with jeff before you go. jeff, when you were talking about the shooter the other night, you were suggesting that he was -- the shooter, whoever that is, was among the protesters. do you disagree with the police conclusion that the shooter was not anywhere near the protesters but was up the hill a very

significant distance from the protesters and had to then shoot basically over their heads? >> if he had been there that whole time that would have drawn law enforcement's attention. the guys that i talked to that were there said that people were sort of breaking up starting to leave at that point in the protest and that a lot of them were leaving from that direction, which would lead one to believe that he had taken part. >> you do disagree with the police conclusion about where the shooter was firing from when the shooter was firing? >> no, no, i'm saying that that's the direction that people leafing the protests some of them were traveling and that he may or may not have been leaving the protest. but i don't think he was lingering long in that residential neighborhood before the shots were fired. >> all right. jeff thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> st. louis rams contacted you guys and apologized since eric holder agreed with your side of

the story? >> they have not. i stand by the phone every day waiting for that call. >> why were the st. louis rams apologize? >> eric holder doesn't agree with the officers' side of the story. eric holder's report says they didn't see that they could make a case beyond a reasonable doubt that would get a conviction. >> what they said was that neither the -- the testimony, that said that he had his hands up was not credible and also -- >> beyond a reasonable doubt. >> -- also the forensic evidence that the forensic evidence -- that the forensic evidence did not show that he had his hands up in the air. >> did not prove it. >> did not support. >> did not disprove it. >> disnot support the story. >> okay, jeff. thank you so much. >> i understand what reasonable doubt is. >> here we go. thank you so much for giving me a lecture on the law. >> boys. jeff, thank you so much. >> jeff, thank you. >> please come back. important to hear your point of view. up next, we go to the front

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straight out of al qaeda. >> is there a direct line from sa cowrie to isis? >> he was a thug well-known for beheading his enemies, especially shia. so this brutality that we see in isis really comes out of al qaeda in iraq. >> and there's this toxic brew that is actually made isis you say, unlike any other terror group before. you talk about sadistic disregard for human life. their sophisticated use of social media. acquisition of territory, and their ability to attract foreign fighters. and that is created just a spark that's led to an explosion across the middle east. how did we not see this coming? >> well, i think some people did see it coming. some people were monitoring. i'd like to think that the government was monitoring what was happening. but it was a long time coming.

we could see them letting people out of prisons to form his leadership, especially out of abu ghraib. we could see al qaeda turning against the group. yes, of course the american public began to notice when they started beheading westerners. >> right. >> but that was a long time coming. >> steve rattner. >> i was going to ask you about the fact al qaeda seems to have disowned isis. i guess they got even too brutal for their taste, but more recently there's been a spate of story, i'm sure sure you've read them in "the washington post" and elsewhere. can't control, economic model is under attack that our military interventions have been productive. how do you see the current situation? >> well, i think we're going to see isis do well and do not so well over the next period. we're going to see some territory taken back by the iraqi military with a lot of

help from iran, which will degrade their narrative of victory, but at the same time, they are getting boko haram, for example, pledging to be part of them. so i think we'll see this kind of evolution forward-backward for some time going forward. >> and jessica, a disturbing part of your book when you talk about, you describe how isis recruits children for suicide missions, for other things. and how they brainwash them. how do they brainwash these kids? >> well they start very young and i think the most horrifying thing is the way they get children to be involved in violence themselves. they get children to practice beheading blonde dolls. they get children now to start killing people and they are trying to create a new human being a sadistic human being without empathy. i don't know if that's deliberate, but that's certainly

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it's the top of the hour. welcome to "morning joe." it's friday. does anyone feel like it's been kind of a long week? willie? >> yeah. >> all right. we have. former treasury official on "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner with us and rancor for the hot list on the blaze.com amy holmes. good to have you this morning. >> great to be here. >> a lot to go over. political news too. >> and some political news. we got e-mails from jeb to hillary. fascinating and we'll get to it in a second. i know if we started with it you wouldn't be able to get past it. >> no. no no. you're controlling. >> netanyahu may be in trouble. >> well -- >> may be in political -- ah -- oh -- >> i'm not happy about that. >> oh -- >> i'm not happy about that. just because i didn't like the speech that was politically driven and destructive and probably a bad move on his part

and the republicans, it doesn't mean that i'm sitting here rooting for him to fail. >> oh, that's -- [ laughter ] you can't stand him. >> i'm just not. >> no joe. >> every time he comes on she hinges. she cringes and draws up. >> if i did this to you -- >> did what to me? >> made it sound like you hated someone when you didn't you would take offense. >> no -- >> i did not like what happened over the past few weeks but you know what? actually the republicans actually kind of boosted a way the second piece of news. made it secondary news by sending that ridiculous letter. so i don't even remember the netanyahu speech because the letter was so -- the letter was so ham fisted. they should have listened to me steve rattner. >> that's a great tease, to a story that's coming up. >> all right. we begin this morning, though in ferguson, missouri, where the shooting of two police officers has put the city back on edge.

things remained calm in ferguson last night as protesters gathered outside the police department where wednesday night's shooting took place just hours after two officers were released from the hospital. clergy members and community leaders addressed the crowd and called for an end to senseless violence. but a manhunt for those responsibility continues, and so far there are still no suspects. attorney general eric holder and president obama, who appeared on jimmy kimmel live both condemned the shooting. >> i want to be very clear here. i unequivocally condemn these repugnant attacks. what happened last night was a pure ambush. this was not someone trying to bring healing to ferguson. this was a damn pump. >> what was beautiful about selma was reminding ourselves that real social change in this country so often has happened because ordinary people are

willing in a nonviolent fashion to make their voices herd, and, youand, -- heard, and i think what has been happening in ferguson was oppressive and objectionable and worthy of protest but there was no excuse for criminal acts. >> joining us from ferguson missouri, nbc news correspondent craig melvin. what's the latest? the mood in the city overnight. >> reporter: mika the mood overnight here i can tell you after spending time on the streets just outside the ferguson police department subdued. the protests considerably smaller than what we saw the night before but a lot of folks you talk to them we are just as disgusted and just about everyone else was yesterday when word spread the two officers had been shot. overnight, of course condomation come condomation -- condemnation from president obama on jimmy kimmel and you played that statement from eric holder and we got a

statement, about michael brown, the unarmed teenager from the parents, we reject any kind of violence directed towards members of law enforcement. we specifically denounce the actions of stand-alone agitators who unsuccessfully attempt to derail the otherwise passful and nonviolent movement that converged around the nation to thwart of cause of "quell equality for all. that coming from the parents of michael brown. we should also tell you, the protesters we talked to last night, they are adamant whoever is responsible for shooting those police officers is not directly affiliated with the protest movement. how they can be so sure i don't know. but as you indicated, the manhunt continues. a senior law enforcement official telling me a few hours ago while they have several strong leads at this point, they do not have any suspects.

mika? >> all right. nbc's craig melvin. thank you very much. joining us now former director of security intelligence operations for mayor rudy giuliani's office of emergency management sal laferri. you told me if and when they find this person on these people it will be because the community makes it happen? >> absolutely. i think as most crimes that happen in this country, you know, you have your forensics and you got your technical capability, but it really is the community that comes forth to let the officers know who the real bad guys are and who was responsible for this and especially when you start seeing the amount of money, the reward money put out. that's just going to going to end this. >> we don't know what kind of weapon was used at this point. was it a good shot a lucky shot? hate to use the word lucky but

if you're the guy shooting it was. what kind of attempt was this? >> some early reports came out the recovered rounds they found, shell casings they found, were of a handgun and the belief was that it was a handgun used. you know my experience over the years, i've seen shooters become incredibly lucky in being able to be accurate from incredible distances. i think something like this it all depends how it was set up. there there were a bunch of officers standing next to each other in a line, then it's just a lucky shot the bullet hits two of them standing in a line. but if by themselves, then it changes the dynamic slightly. but i think this will come down to some lucky shot. >> let's hope they track this guy down quickly. sal lifrieri thank you very much. these two officers one shot in the face the webster grove police officer, released from the hospital yesterday. >> lucky or not it was deliberate and i think a lot of

us forget that this town has been through hell. >> can you imagine? >> talking about riots, businesses burnt to the ground. can you imagine living in this tinderbox every day? >> this just refuels it. >> that's the story of ferguson really i'm afraid we'll hear nab the coming months and possibly years. a town there are parts of it, we've tauvged edtalked about this before streets abandoned, businesses shut up and left this part of st. louis, that it may look like detroit, you know? in years to come. so i certainly hope after all of the racial tensions are eased and all of the right moves are made -- and i believe they will be. i'm optimistic about that -- i hope we can have business communities focussing on starting talking about kickstarting, that's a kickstart campaign kickstart ferguson and bring hope to those residents, and they've been living in hell since this mess. >> and also a place where government has a role. >> absolutely.

>> just like for a hurricane or any other event. the government has a role in helping rebuild and interesting to see in the current world of we don't want government to do very much see if we can march government forces here to make this a better place. >> we can. i will say that we could have a much larger debate about the problems with ferguson beyond racism, and the problems of the sense of hopelessness, and, yes, the government has a role to play, but if there is not private investment if there aren't good jobs with good wages there. >> and, joe, there can't be private investment if there isn't security and police officers patrolling who are now apparently targets. >> that's the point. it all goes hand in hand. you need all of these pieces to come together to make this place work gern. >> what doesn't help comments that are just idiotic and add to the problems in places like ferguson. >> talking about benjamin netanyahu? what does he have to do. >> stop making that up. >> stop mettling that election

mika. >> stop mettles in the internal affairs of the israeli people. >> you are no better than 47 republicans. >> exactly. >> i am so sorry. all right. what i was talking about was new york city mayor rudy giuliani speaking out about wednesday night's shooting in ferguson and policing in general, and i can't really believe what he said. in an interview thursday giuliani brought up former ferguson police officer darren wilson, and said he should be "commended" for shooting michael brown. >> there's an atmosphere of unbalance here. all we talk about is the police did this wrong, the police did that wrong, the police did this wrong. that's a footnote. the major headline is the police of the united states make it possible for you and me to go home every night and be safe. what happened in ferguson a man committed a robbery attempted to assault a police officer and the police officer to save his life

shot him and -- the police officer did his duty. the police officer should be commended for what he did. he did exactly what he should do. >> mika you say that's an idiotic statement? at what point? >> at some point you really have to be sensitive to the feeling of the people. >> right. >> and i think that town this country, actually, has been rocked by what happened in ferguson, and other cities across the country. police shootings of unarmed black men, whether they ended up indicted or not. i know the facts were extremely different, but ultimately it is sad what happened and it's a sign of a need for an improvement in the way our system works. it's not a commendation. >> i think rudy giuliani might say, and he has said and more that, he was talking about a one-sided debate. i wonder if his sargent that the police officers should also we should also be concerned about police officers who are being

shot and also who have to deal with a lot of -- what did he say? one-sided -- >> we can commend and defend policing, there's another side for this amy, for sure but at this point he know s when he names that names, goes into that case, he's digging up a lot of emotion pain in a town an area in a country that is really hurting. >> i think he's going too far in suggesting -- >> totally. >> -- the police officer should be commended for what i think we all think was a very a tragic situation, whatever side you come down on no one's life should be lost. >> willie it's one thing if you say, listen we can understand based on what the justice department's seen and eric holder's decided. >> what's going on with him? >> that this police officer had a right to defend himself. >> yeah. >> like, you can say that and i don't think it will raise anybody's eyebrow, but when you say somebody should be commended for a shooting that started a racial war, basically, in america, at least a

political/racial war. >> that ended someone's life. >> yeah. that ended somebody's life. commended? i don't think so. i think you're commended for saving lives. >> it's inflammatory and shouldn't have said commended but i do think he believes every word he said. i think he and some many other people in the country have been tired of watching cops become villainized as the bad guys in all cases, there are some bad cops but the vast majority are good and he's one of the people who's come out and spoke in their defense. >> we all agree on that but there are other words you can use i. agree. >> what's the deal with rudy? >> what is going on with him? >> i want to ask, what's going on with him? >> what happened? >> because we heard what he said before, that kicked up a lot of controversy last week and now he's saying this. it's almost like when you say commended, he's smart enough to know that that it's going to touch off a firestorm. what's going on? >> i think you're looking at a politician who's no longer relevant who for a brief,

shining moment sort of crossed the cosmos and had a great future. now he's kind of irrelevant. in the times i've seen him in events and speaking pieces i've found him edgy and partisan and mean-spirited, that i just think this is the new rudy and not a particularly attractive one. >> hold on. rudy giuliani always had a reputation for speaking his minds, oftentimes sharply or provocatively. i think he is relevant. that's why we're talking about him. we're seeing a politician unplugged. not running for re-election, a television pundit and speaking his mind. >> the more he says this kind of stuff the less relevant he's become. >> you could say it's unhelpful. >> that's probably the case. he becomes less relevant with every one of these statements. mika and i were talking to somebody who worked very closeliry rudy giuliani for a very long time who said you know why rudy's doing this? because when he's not in the conversation it drives him crazy. so let's move on.

>> that's it. could israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu lose next week's election in israel? >> would you buy a big cake when that happens and maybe bring it to the set for us? >> stop joe. >> will you do that? >> okay. first of all, let's not review that you were so wrong about the speech, and you know that. and you can't now like make it look like it was hate-driven that i was right. no. i was just right. >> willie why does she hate when loving to be so much easier. >> that may become a reality as final polls show troubles news for netanyahu and his party. a poll for the jerusalem post shows the zionist union winning 25 kanesset seats. 72% of israelis want change while 20% do not. >> i would say if you look at those numbers, not really good for an incumbent. 72% want change. close to 50% no longer want

netanyahu to be prime minister. mika what do you think? >> i think this is for them to decide. i don't have an opinion on that. i just had an opinion on him coming here fompbefore the election and -- make it was self-destructive. >> maybe i'm wrong, okay? but as i said -- >> maybe wrong, but probably not. >> probably not. thank you so much. >> he was wrong. >> i said if this was the wrong thing to do for israelis israelis would speak out and i think we're seeing israelis speaking out realizing that their relationship with the united states is the most important relationship. >> you did say that. >> when it comes to their national security and i think they may be uncomfortable having a prime minister with such a bad relationship with the president of the free world. >> i think that's absolutely a piece of it and interestingly enough, they're also saying to themselves, women, that's fine he's running around the world, but what about the economy here? the economy of rirl is not doing great. dropping a couple percent a year housing 55%. the tip o'neill line all

politics are local and he's ignored local politics to a degree. >> and politics are volatile. seems the prime ministership is a revolving door. out one year and back the next. >> exactly. >> perhaps the speech and as you say having a contentious relationship with the united states is bothering israeli voters. >> what would be fascinating, what a lot of people want to see, your father and also foreign policy people on the right, center and the left they want to see a coalition put together that would actually move peace, at least a peace process forward. >> absolutely. >> we'll see. >> netanyahu is also launching a last-minute media blitz including footage of his controversial address to congress and claiming he's the best person to stand up for israel. >> when the security of israel and the existence of israel requires me as prime minister to take a stance that is contrary to the one put forward by the president of the united states that's what i'm here for. that's what a leader of israel has to do. >> and --- >> they can't stand up for a

second, they won't stand up for a milly second nep have zero leadership. they believe that the only thing they have to do is say yes, say grow any demand that comes from even the best of our allies and the answer is no we shouldn't. still ahead on "morning joe," former ambassador to iraq chris hill joins us. also tina chen chief of staff to first lady michelle obama on what it's like to run things in the east wing of the white house. plus a helicopter drops will ferrell into one ballpark after another. >> did you see that? >> awesome stuff. >> kind of like with deion, goes from playing with the falcons to the braves dropped by a helicopter -- >> that's right. exactly. >> primetime, baby. >> we'll tell you all about that. first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> it's a weird situation now. here we are safe in our country but around the globe literally on the other side sun has just set and the poor people on this island are now in the eye of a

category 5 hurricane, 160 mile-per-hour winds, power for sure is out. about 60,000 people in the port villa area and, again, in the eye of a category 5 equivalent hurricane. so you wish them the best and here's the close-up view of it. you can see the eye literally, supposed to go over the island. sources in the southern hemisphere spin opposite. strongest winds on the front side in that southeast quadrant. new orleans, a lot of rain. the big story in our country going through this upcoming weekend. flood watches go from pittsburgh down to new orleans. flooding rain threat continues today from louisiana to kentucky. it's warm in some spots. enjoy kansas city and chicago. the rain goes into areas of new england, new york d.c., philly boston, a rainy saturday morning especially and then sunday it does look nicer, except for our friends in maine. they're expecting to get snow this weekend. especially sunday. that's the only one. everybody else is looking like a really nice end to your weekend. you're watching "morning joe."

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all right. take a look at morning papers. we were talking about this yesterday. the "new york daily news," a 16-year-old behind a brutal fight caught on camera now facing multiple charges. we should warn you what we're about to show you is really disturbing video. it show as group of girls attacking another girl at a mcdonald's in brooklyn despite dozens of witnesses, no one intervenes here. police say the girl had been charged with gang assault and robbery for stealing the victim's phone and purse -- ah -- officials say she had been arrested six times since turning

16 including for assaulting and violating an order of protection. >> and everybody just watching while this fighting goes on. a lot of people are talking about yesterday morning on the set, kitty genevieve, 1964 brutally killed beaten to death and nobody did anything and here they get their iphones out. >> and nobody called 911. you don't have to jump in the middle of it but get help. insane. >> it's absolutely stunning. "usa today," an american health worker infected with ebola while fighting the outbreak in sierra leon flown for treatment at the american institutes of health. the 11th person treated in the u.s. more than 10,000 people died from ebola in west africa according to the world health organization. the "wall street journal" even though coca-cola ceo turned down a bonus of more than $2 million last year his earnings still rose 24%. totaling $25.2 million 4r5689

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harper's second novel "go set a watchman" will be released in july. and to the courier journal. over 200 gallons of stolen bourbon is back in the right hands today. we can rest easy. sheriffs deputies responding to a tip recovered five barrels of the good stuff stashed behind a shed in the man's backyard. whose backyard was that? each barrel of the popular wild turkey bourbon weighs 500 pounds, value up to $6,000 deputies also seized about 25 firearms $3,000 in cash and illegal steroids. the investigation remains ongoing and may want to call jon meacham. just saying. >> i locked the shed but i told you this guy was going to squeal like a pig once the feds containing. >> come on joe. >> you can't tell me you kept your royds in there, too, man. >> do you think this just happens naturally? i mean come on.

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so teach them it's okay to not only notice our differences, but to celebrate them. that's a lesson they're never too young to learn. the more you know. welcome back. 31 past the hour. as isis seeks to grow its footprint around the world, it's gaining a key ally in another troubled spot. audio verified by a global security firm indicates the head of isis accepted allegiance with boko haram known for atrocities in northern africa. meanwhile, in iraq modest gains are being made to repel the islamic state. nbc's bill neely is on the ground in iraq with that story. >> reporter: it's the biggest assault isis has ever faced. the fire power of iraq's army militias and 20,000 men raining

down on isis positions. iraqi officials claim they've already retaken three quarters of tikrit and that isis fighters are trapped in the center, but it's clear the islamists have slowed the advance with car bombs, boobytraps and snipers. no one believes isis will give up easily. further north, isis is on the run from kurdish fighters driven from a long front line they held for nine months. we arrived to a still smoldering battlefield. u.s. and coalition air strikes had pounded isis for three days. they blew up bridges as they retreated. moment of the isis fighters we were told weren't iraqi. >> afghanis from afghanistan. >> reporter: this was a setback for isis but their black flag is still flying. the men here say isis fighters now attack them as this new front line at night. isis had been driven back three miles from here, but they're not gone.

which is why the kurds are not dropping their guard. >> huh. joining us now from denver dean of international studies at the university of denver former u.s. ambassador for christopher hill author of the book "outpost: life on the front lines of american diplomacy." good to have you onboard, mr. ambassador. we hear the victory in tikrit was 245e6shachieved totally by iraqi hands. how hornet isimportant is that in terms of isis? >> reinstituted itself gone on the offensive, had some suction. everyone is success. by the shia militiaal bedeserve manied us during our time here and groups with organic support from iranians. the issue is as these shia groups move into these sunni lands, albeit kicking out isis

how will they treat the sunnis who are there? allow sort of life to go on or are they going to start taking retribution against a lot of sunnis? that's the real question here. >> do we quietly, our leaders quietly sit back and allow the status quo to continue and actually quietly hope that the iranians make progress moving north? >> well you know hoping is never a very good basis for policy. so i think we need to be a little more actively involved. we need to be certainly activity involved with the iraqi army to make sure they have control over their forces. i in there need to be some quiet discussions with the iranians about the nature of this thing, because if we see shia moving into these sunni lands and in inn way abusing the sunni habitance, this is going to play its way all over again. the question is can they behave themselves and turn it all over back to the sunnis who

themselves have been brutalized by isis. >> so a quiet discussion with the iranians about this. explain how we can or should or how dangerous it is to work on multiple levels with iran? >> well it's obviously very very fraught right now. i mean we've got a really high-stakes game going on with the nuclear talks. >> uh-huh. >> but i would hope there will be some side bar conversations to discuss especially this tikrit operation, which does not seem to involve u.s. in any way in tikrit. you know tikrit is obviously not the beginning of the end. it's more the end of the beginning, and you know there's a lot more to come especially up north in mosul, and already down in anbar we're seeing isis try to reexert itself there. we need a better understanding with iranians how this is going to be done and i would hope we would have quiet discussions in

side bars in places like vienna better yet some? baghdad. >> we're not going to ask you to make predictions, based on what you've seen the reports you've read and newspaper stories you've been reading as well the package you just saw from bill neely and those run earlier this week, do you believe that isis who had, really free run of syria and iraq over the better part of the past year do you think that we are finally seeing now that the kurds are pushing back in the north, the iranians are coming in in the south and the west do you believe -- or the south and the east do you really believe perhaps we are seeing, as churchill said not the beginning of the end, but the end of the beginning of isis? >> i do. you could make the point isis is still in command of some 80% of the territory that they took but you need to remember that this is really about where people live not about open deserts, and so if this tikrit operation is successful, if

there is a push back in anbar and if -- if -- the mosul operation, which is expected to get going soon if that works, isis is definitely back on its heels. however, the issue is, how are the shia militia groups going to behave and, finally, i think you know it's sort of rude to even point it out now, but you know we need some governance solutions in syria. i mean, just asking a few so-called moderates to fill out questionnaires to see whether they're moderate is not really going to get us there. we're going to have to kind of think a little ahead and figure out what syria should look like you know what kind of arrangements, political arrangements and we don't seem to see that and we have a u.n. person there, he's doing his best, but i don't get the sense that people are coalescing around him and giving him the help he very much needs. >> i want to know just from your experience what is happening

from what you can imagine with the three americans being held in iran? and how -- how they play in these negotiations that are going on. do they play? is there hope? >> well i believe there's clearly hope there. i think the problem is you know iran is almost as split a society as our society is witness that letter of the 47 senators. >> yeah. >> so i suspect there are people in iran who say, oh we immediate to hold on to these guys and maximize the reserve ratch on leverage on that. i suspect it's an ugly situation, not unlike the ugly situation we have in washington. >> hmm. former ambassador chris hill thank you on that note. appreciate it. come back soon. up next "the washington post" carol lenning breaking news on the secret service everyone day. this time -- >> unbelievable work. she has done some unbelievable work. >> i can't believe another one. this time the secret service

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right? i mean, you have a secret service that is trying its darnedest while it's under this pretty significant microscope to start on the path to reform. to put behind it the lapses of all of last year and the years before that. cartagena prostitution scandal, a fence jumper who got all the way into the white house after running past who knows how many agents, and canine attack dogs. a -- >> bullets striking the white house. >> bullets striking the white house wall while sasha was home with her grandmother. go ahead? >> and clancy has only been in charge a little while. i understand that. this list and this reporting of yours is amazing. this last event, explain to me why they did not have a breathalyzer taken? tell us what happened, and why that didn't happen.

>> so what our sources are saying is essentially, here are the -- here's the chain of events that night, wednesday, march 4th. there's a big, or a very happy retirement party in a chinatown bar, an irish pub and these two particular high-ranking officials are returning from that party, and they drive in to the entrance of the white house in a government car. apparently although we don't know this, apparently to get the other gentleman's government car so they can both go home. however, as they enter the entrance on 15th street of the white house, it's under a crime scene. it's closed off and cordoned off for a bomb squad to arrive and determine whether a package that a woman has thrown at the security post and on to the white house complex is indeed as she threatened a bomb. so they're still looking at that. while this is going on and they are moving at you know a pretty glacial pace in this car, they're going pretty slow and

they are going past security tape. they hit a temporary barricade, they push and nudge a temporary, temporary barrels with their car, and a uniform division officers, these are also part of the secret service, the officers who guarding the complex, they are, according to our sources very suspicious and believe that both men are intoxicated. but the word comes down from headquarters, or rather the joint operations center from the commander on duty that night night let the guys go. everything's fine. let's not make a big fuss about this. that's what sources have told us. it's, of course mika as you know under investigation by the department of homeland security and assuming that they have a lot of witnesses to talk to and they also have a videotape, they will get to the bottom of it. >> yeah. we look forward to your reporting on this. it does not look good at all. carol, thank you very much.

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president and chief of staff to the first lady tina tchen and serves at the administration's director for the council on women and girls, i know a lot about because i've done work with you all. welcome. >> delighted to be here. >> great to have you on board. start with the council on women and girls put together by this president and what impact you think it's had on the national conversation as it pertains to women? i'm thinking equal pay plays into this as well? >> absolutely. putting a working families women's economic agenda on the map as the president has done has been a big part of the work of the council. you know it's not just a

singular office it's a council of all cabinet agencies and all major white house policy offices because the president's message was every part of the federal government will touch the lives of women and girls and every part of the federal government needs to address their needs and we've been able to do that whether in the economy, violence against women, education, doing it across the board. >> at the white house, an initiative launched let girls learn. >> oh we were thrilled with this. last tuesday the president and the first lady both in the east room launched let girls learn, it's our initiative to have a whole of government effort to address the needs of adolescent girls around the world completing their education. we know there are 62 million girls around the world who are not in school. half of those are adolescents girls and adolescent girls in particular face cultural barriers to completing their education education. we're going to work on that. the first lady in particular is going to work with the peace corps on efforts to support

community-based and community-led solutions around the globe to help communities make sure they can get their girls through secondary school and on to what we know will be a better life not just for themselves and their families but for their countries as well. >> mark halperin is here. mark? >> what are the specific things the first lady wants to get done in what the president calls the last quarter of their time in the white house? >> thanks, mark. you know let girls learn is a big piece of this. doing some specific initiative on girls' education. also a domestic reach higher initiative to make sure that first generation and disadvantaged kids here in the united states go to some kind of education beyond secondary school because we know in this economy that you need something more than a high school education to really succeed in our economy. then as you know joining forces our efforts for veterans and military families is key and important to the first lady. it is something that we want to continue and embed in our culture here of continuing service. to the men and women who have

served the rest of our country, the 99% of us not in the military. you know? we need to make sure they have education and jobs and wellness. the first lady last weekend launched as part of the wellness piece a mental health effort to reduce the stigma around mental health. finally we're celebrating the fifth anniversary of let's move this year. and that's our effort to reduce childhood obesity. seeing great momentum across the board, and again, that's something we're going to keep going and working on through this fourth quarter. >> also i would love to recruit you before you leave the white house to one of my know your value conferences. are you onboard? >> i would love to. you know your know your value conferences are coming at the exact same time we are also taking the working families agenda on the road. we and secretary perez will go around the country talking about things like paid leave and sick leave and equal pay. even as the congress isn't moving on these things we see cities and states around the country actually taking the leadership and we want to

support the efforts around the country and are going out and happy to join you and it would be terrific. >> i'm going to book you. thank you very much. i got valerie in chicago. i'm not an idiot. i'll go for it on the air. >> ask the first lady. >> okay. first lady at one of these events. >> nice try. >> good actually. know your value? it works. tina? >> perfect. >> ask her. >> take under consideration. tina tchen, thank you so much. i'm happy to have you, quite frankly and thank you very much for being on the show. >> thank you. >> take care. >> thanks, mika. bye-bye. america savings account to his merrill edge retirement account. before he opened his first hot chocolate stand calling winter an "underserved season". and before he quit his friend's leaf-raking business for "not offering a 401k." larry knew the importance of preparing for retirement. that's why when the time came he counted on merrill edge to streamline his investing and help him plan for the road ahead. that's the power of streamlined connections. that's merrill edge and bank of america.

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obama's hair is looking grayer these days. can't imagine why. since he doesn't seem to be one bit worried about all that's going on. a 30 pack of coors light is $23 at sun stop. thanks, obama. i'm all right with the president wearing jeans. i'm not all right with the president wearing those jeans. >> can i just say something? >> yeah. >> i don't think there's anything wrong with the jeans you wear. >> jimmy, i think they've got a point. >> hmm. >> have you been working out? >> huh-uh. hey, look welcome back to "morning joe." time to talk about what we

learned today. what did you learn, mika? >> less than a month away from the nurse know your value event in philadelphia. i urge women to get submissions in to the grow your value bonus competition. great stories. >> seen really good ones. >> i know. >> one woman brought her little dog. >> i liked it. but you just put your phone in sell selfie mode and send in why you have value, pitch me. >> and lawrence incorrectly thought i was in a fraternity. not a bad guy, and secondly it's my brother george. >> george happy birthday. >> happy birthday big brother. >> you're a good brother. >> very, very lucky. very blessed to have him as a big brother. happy birthday. >> and you're luck toyy to have joe as your brother. >> no. i don't think so. if it's morning, it's way too early and stick around because "the rundown" is next.

good morning. developing now on "the rundown" a mant hundt under a manhunt is under way in ferguson. described as an ambush. top officials from president obama on down promised to track down the suspects. >> whoever fired those shots shouldn't detract from the issue, they're criminals. they need to be arrested. >> this was a damn punk a punk who was trying to sow discord in an area trying to get its act together and bring together a community fractured for too long. >> new protests took place last night outside the ferguson police department, but they were far more peaceful than the nice before. at the same time dozens of people held a candlelight vigil for the wounded officers. ♪ shine ♪ everywhere i go ♪ >>