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the niceties do not seem to be extending to each other. kasie hunt is standing by live for what i think is going to be the first sniping report of the 2016 campaign. you will want to stand by on that. ahead this morning, president obama is making news this weekend with some crocodile tears for the 47 republicans who sent that open letter to the leaders of iran. exactly what the president saying now. that is coming up in a a little bit. hillary clinton is probably glad this week is over. there are new reports this morning that some of the e-mails she cent could be lost forever. details on that controversy. what it means going forward in just a little bit. do you know what today is? march 14, 314 that makes it pi darks. there is something happening in the next two hours during this show that won't happen again until the next century.

we'll be counting down that moment and celebrating it. we begin this morning in what is ground zero for presidential politics this weekend. new hampshire, home of the first in the nation presidential primary. the top two republican presidential contenders both barnstorming that state this weekend. it is starting to their fire on each other. former florida governor jeb bush and wisconsin governor scott walker arriving yesterday and both resuming their swings hours from now. for bush new hampshire is already a must win state. his prospects in iowa are bleak to win the nomination. his goal will be to survive iowa and make a statement in the granite state. scott walker stronger than bush in iowa and very competitive in noouch. could pea put together the one two punch in iowa and new hampshire. for bush this is his first political vizf to new hampshire in 15 years. back to when he was there to

campaign for his older brother in 2000. jeb bush this time around promising the union leader the state's largest conservative newspaper this will be the first visit to the state. he spoke at a house party last night and make waves with comments about education and immigration. it seemed to be a clear shot at scott walker. more of that in just a second. senator kelly, this weekend walker meanwhile with a dozen stops planned around the state. the wisconsin governor meeting yesterday with scott brown the former massachusetts senator who now lives in new hampshire and ran for the senate in new hampshire last year as well as having a meeting with the former governor. he will be joining us on tomorrow's show. we'll ask him about all of that. walker for his part taking not too subtle shots of his own at jeb bush. saying he is the son of a preacher, as apodesed to being

the son of a president. walker embracing the label of frontrunner in an interview this week. not a role most candidates like to claim. this is a wide open race in new hampshire. bush and walker are clearly the early leaders in the republican side. there is already a lot online for both of them in new hampshire. let us head up to new hampshire to conquer the new hampshire to the scene of that event that scott walker is going to be speaking at this morning. msnbc political reporter kasie hunt is standing by. this walker event was moved to a different location maybe a little more interest than they were expecting at the same time scott walker giving an interview to channel 9. he's taking shots at bush. let's listen to that. >> we need to aim for the future. a new fresh face i think helps create a great contrast to

hillary clinton. >> you know he's wasting no time in drawing contrast with jeb bush. as we say embracing the front runner role. scott walker who is coming to new hampshire today. does he think haesz the front runner in this race? >> reporter: we haven't gotten a chance to talk to scott walker yet. he did the local interviews, he hasn't done the traditional retail potticking that is a part of this state or not in the way the press has been able to see. instead, as you saw there, he seems to be coming up here and taking jabs at jeb bush. he also did an interview while in new hampshire with the tampa bay times, one of the papers from bush's home state. an interesting decision and a place to take a jab at jeb bush. bush was a little more reluctant to engage. i asked him yesterday if he thought that walker was the frontrunner. scott walker is also here in new hampshire today. he called himself a possible

frontrunner. do you think that's a premature assessment, how do you judge it? >> i'm not a candidate. maybe i am i don't know. i'm not -- you can't be a frontrunner until you start running. >> reporter: so there you have it. can't be a frontrunner until you start running. bush later in the day i asked him if he thought walker was a flip-flopper. he's taken heat in the press over the past couple of days on changing his position on issues like immigration and the renewable fuel standard. bush didn't want to go after them. he did not engage to the degree that walker did on bush. he did acknowledge when pressed that walker has changed his position on immigration. we'll see how that tussle evolves and whether bush ultimately decides to play ball. >> he also -- bush -- talking about immigration common core on education. this is some of the issues where he's most vulnerable with the

conservative edge of the party. he made news here saying that he has the grownup plan on immigration. >> reporter: steve so he really took these two issues head on with thiz new hampshire crowd. he did a business round-table yesterday. even more aggressively than i had seen him in iowa about a week ago. he was careful on husband these two things. here in new hampshire he was absolutely full throated in his defense, calling it as you say the grown up plan. take a listen. >> and it's easy to say, well anything you propose is amnesty and -- that's not a plan. that's a sentiment perhaps. that's not a plan. i think the best plan the most realistic plan the grownup plan if you will once you control the border and you're confident that there's not going to be another magnet coming is to say let's let these folks achieve earned legal status.

>> reporter: so those are some real fighting words on policy from jeb bush aimed at the rest of the republican field. sgloo kasie hunt live in connew hampshire. let's bring in today's pag. we have a pollster and msnbc political analyst and a congressional reporter with talking points memo. let's talk about this -- really it's amazing how these two walker and bush have kind of jumped out ahead of everybody else. we talk about wide open race. but we're talking about two in new hampshire, same time taking shots at each other. let's me start with bush on immigration. what we just heard sayieth have the grownup position on this. we know he has a position that he's going to have trouble selling to some in the base. can pea pull this off? >> i think he can pull this off. i give him a lot of credit for being bold and not backing down from positions where folks have said he's going to have trouble with the base. i give him a lot of credit for

standing by it. i think he's going to put a lot of other republicans in a difficult position when he says what's your plan. what's your plan? is your plan to deport a lot of folks eror is your plan to let folks stay here with some kind of legal status. he may move the debate to what is the legal status? >> is that distinction between citizenship and legal status something sort of citizenship, it's okay we acknowledge you you're here you can stay. does that matter to the republican base? is that something they would appreciate? >> he's going to have to develop it. he's going to have to spell out exactly what it means or else he will be hit with a bashlash against anything that sounds like people can stay. that is always conflated with bringing in a new surge of people. i thought the way he broke it down was actually helpful. it does not mean a surnl. we control the borders and then we move on to legal status.

if that can come across as being sober and serious as it is maybe he can win people over. he may face a back lash. they've done a great job. anything hike that is amnesty. >> other republicans have tried this before. marco rubio has tried it before. it's not amnesty but it's abearned path to legal status. maybe we'll let them work their way up. everything gets taggedads amnesty if there's any kind of leniency for undocumented immigrants. what jeb bush is trying to do is he is trying to stop the self-deportation line ended with 27% among hispanics. republicans know they cannot have a candidate who does that again. jeb bush is taking a strong position and making sure he doesn't fall in that trap. >> it seems like there's a disconnect in the republican party. we sobs this after the 2012 election after they had the

autopsy report. why did we lose? we got to do comprehensive immigration reform. >> that was one of the only policy recommendations in the report. >> it seems like every time you have leaders in the party, whether it's donors talking about or party strategists who put a report like that together when they start going down that road and recognizing this is something they think they've got to do from a strategic standpoint the resistance from the base in the party to any movement, i don't know what else is like it. >> i mean it's one of those questions where if you do a survey and ask republicans how they feel about certain ideas in terms of immigration reform offering a legal pathway to legal status. they tend to be in favor of it. the people who are not in favor of it are very vocal about it. you can do a poll most republicans are going to be fine with a position like jeb bush's. those who maybe aren't the loudest. when you're talking about a dozen people running for

president in a state like iowa or new hampshire, you can afford to have 30 40% of the electorate that considers i couldn't vote for them and you could still pull off a lot of wins. >> the best friend jeb bush has, the establishment candidate is the crowded field. let's talk about walker for a second. this is a tampa bay times article, he's making the case against jeb. we had bob dole john mccain. if it's whoever next up that hasn't worked so well in the past jeb is a good man. i think voters are going to look at this and say if we're running against hillary clinton we'll need a name from the future, not the past to win. we talk about he gives the history there, the establishment always seems to win the primaries in the end. i think walker is tapping into something. i'm see ega resistance to bush that i didn't see for romney and mccain. >> absolutely.

he's making a good point. the way that the establishment candidate has won, as you said is there is a lot of right wing candidates. they fight with each other and the establishment person is last man standing. it has always been man. this time around you've got two kind of establishment candidates. al scott walker is making his claim to money -- i consider him an extreme right winger. he's making his claim to the donor class. he's done important things. he's going right at jeb bush not letting him have the establishment mantle while also not seeding the right wing base appeal. nobody has try today walk that line. it will be interesting to see if he can do it. >> it's a legitimate argument to make you need a fresh face. if the race is bush versus clinton, there's a huge disparity in that brand. it's like my space trying to beat facebook. scott walker a recent poll showed found that his standing has jumped about 20 points in

the past three months among republican voters and jeb bush has fallen which puts them about even. >> is there sort of an issue of class appeal here within the republican party where bush is sort of the country club set and scott walker is more the blue caller republican? he's playing on that too when he says i'm the son of a preacher not a president. al there is this sort of blue caller base that walker has been able to appeal to. guys like bush and rom nae -- >> while haez decimating unions let's make this clear. >> i think the question of the last name will ultimately be not what is decisive for a lot of people. the question is who has got a name of the past or future but who has the ideas of the past or future. jeb bush when you hear him talk he sounds different from his brother. he's got ideas that sound very different from what people expect out of a traditional republican stereotype. i think in that sense, jeb bush despite his last name has an opportunity to be very fresh. >> we'll see.

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gee i'm embarrassed for them. for them to address a letter to the ayatollah who they claim is our mortal enemy. and their basic argument to them is, don't deal with our president. because you can't trust him to

follow through on an agreement. that's close to unprecedented. >> that was president obama in an interview that will be airing monday on vice news commenting on the 47 senate republicans who signed that open lertd to the leaders of iran. the press secretary saying the letter was meant to undermine president obama's ability to negotiate foreign policy. >> the fact is we have heard republicans now for quite some time, including the principal author of this letter make clear their goal is to undermine negotiations. >> iran itself has also responded. the supreme leader calling it a sipe that washington is descent grating from within. john mccain, one of the 47 who signed it expressing some regret over his own role in that letter. telling politico republicans should have given it more consideration. it was a rapid process. everybody was looking forward to getting out of town because of the snowstorm. the letter is the brain child of

senator cotton designed to put omon the defensive. is cotton succeeding -- are republicans succeeding or has this move back fired on the gop. the panel is back. when it came to the politics of iran it seemed like -- i would have said at the start of this week on the politics of it the republicans were in a pretty good position. i think after that netanyahu speech they got what they wanted out of it. not so surthe end of this week. >> how could they deliberate over that letter? i don't know why you're holding it against them. they were under a lot of pressure because there was snow coming. >> it's back firing in a number of important ways. the biggest way is there are two bipartisan bills that would insure congressional review of any deal and make sure congress can especially veto any deal they think is bad. democrats are backing away from those bills now. because they're so upset at this move. they think this move casts a big cloud over the entire issue. there's a rallying effect.

this is a critical issue. they need democrats to override a veto. >> has this changed the math of that? the expectation before was the proponents of that legislation that would cripple whatever obama was able to negotiate. has that math changed or is it change sng. >> there are four democrats that have supported that kind of legislation that president obama opposed who criticized republicans. tim cane has questioned it h. i don't think any of them have denounced their co-sponsorship of that. it's an open question as to where this goes. >> so i think that if you drew a diagram of people who are genuinely outraged about this letter and people who read the letter tr is not as much overlap as you would think. when i saw this new story popping up then i read the letter, it's constitution

explaining as i've heard it described. it's not a valentine, it's basically saying you think dealing with president obama is tough. you've got to get through us too. so when i read it -- >> you're saying don't trust the president or the country. >> i know this wasn't a form recall communication sent to tehran. why use that device of addressing it -- >> it would have been more effective had it been addressed to president obama hey, don't forget you've got to include us. >> that's a very different thing. >> we might not be talking about it. what i'm guessing a lot of republicans theng we want to get this story more in the news. we want people to see that it's us pushing back that could pave the path to iran getting the bomb. i think the calculation was this will put it more in the news. >> it pushed something in the news. no question. >> netanyahu put it in thenesis in an increasingly bad way for

him and the republicans. this letter is particularly ridiculous. it would be different they addressed it the president. but they didn't deliberately. it's perceived as undermining the president. i saw eric erickson had this piece about tom cotton puts obama off his game as i was watching the president give those remarks to vibe which were hilarious. i'm embarrassed for them. >> you can tell politically the white house is happy. that's the way i look at this. somebody made the point, look if this had been an op-ed. if you took dear leaders of iran off of it and you didn't frame it this way we wouldn't be sitting here. it raises the question to me -- i understand you're going to get more attention that way. i guess this challenges that idea that there's no such thing as bad publicity. i think the thing that most people look at the stuff casually take away was they were writing to the leaders of iran. why are they writing to the leaders of iran?

>> they're undermining the president. >> they did get one error they said the senate will ratify a treaty. technically it's the president who does it but the senate has to pave a path. one signature who was missing is bob corker. he said that the moment he read the letter he knew it was not going to be constructive to his goal. he is the author of a key piece of legislation that would insure review that -- >> corker menendez. he's trying to keep democrats on board with his bill. >> he knew that wasn't going to help. it looks like he was right. >> one of the interesting twists in this letter the most interesting signature that was on it belonged to supposedly the most famous non-interventionest in the republican party. rand paul. we will look at that side of it. what this controversy means for rand paul. >> why did i sign this letter?

j signed it to an administration that doesn't listen. >> rand paul the supposed non-interventionests trying to survive in the republican party and run for president in the age of isis. how can he do that? that is coming up. plus the phones are open as we are joined by the legendary larry king. lots of news lots of politics and larry king ahead.

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i signed the letter to iran but you know what? the message i was sending was to you. the president says oh, if congress won't do what i want so i've got a pen and my phone. i will do what i want. the letter was to you, the letter was to iran but it should have been cced to the white house because the white house needs to understand that any agreement that removes or changed legislation will have to be passed by us. >> not long ago rand paul looked

like he was the future of the republican party when it came to its approach of the world. isis has reenergied the hawks. will rand paul be able to find his footing again as he tries to join the president. we have a reporter from bloomberg politics who has been covering rand paul. when you're sort of imitating your opponents and enemies it's probably a sign that you're losing. rand paul signing this letter this week that tells me the moment for that non-interventionism may have passed in the republican party. >> to a lot of rand paul's fans and supporters it seemed that way. if you look at the kind of antiwar libertarian section of his base antiwar dot com. that's how they read this. they read this buckling to what marco rubio and the hawks in the republican party had been saying.

in other forums when he was in the stage with hawks. the koch summit in january, he mocked the idea america was going to get in a conflict with iran. he set himself against the tom cotton perception of the world. that's why i think when you seen him explain why he signed isthis, he come up with the explanation you showed. he told mat lauer it was a tool in the negotiations. he has the same convictions of his father ron paul. when he pivots to adopt what's in the republican party main stream he gets flat footed. >> it's not just the republican party, i think the way all americans are thinking about intervention has changed in the wake of all the news about isis. we can show you this was a poll about ground troops potentially being used to fight isis. this is a month ago.

62% americans supporting this. some roll for ground troops. i don't think those are numbers we would have been a few years ago. bill crystal a champion of the iraq war ten years ago talking about tom cotton saying most of those running in 2016 will sound more like cotton than rand paul. is there room in the republican party for rand paul the way we thought there might be a couple years ago? >> well given -- talking about the crowd the republican field and how someone can break through without a huge majority. that's still the plan for rand paul in iowa j new hampshire. it's republicans that are against intervention with isis. if they all voted for rand paul they'd start with a block of base. his problem is he's tried to avoid hawkishinize frness on

iran and carve out a delicate position on isis. we should intervene and protect our interests there. he had his own portfolio on this i think was thought out. he was conscious about not allowing opponents to paint him as antiisrael or proiran. i think that is why he jumped into this fray. he thought this would inoculate him against some of the charges that have weakened him. when i'm -- any attempts of us in the senate to button hole him and ask him if he's going to siend corker menendez or anything like that. when you saw him in the hearing with kerry, that was what he was trying to do is come up with a narrowly tailored version of why he's not proiran but an interventionest. i think he has a great case do make here. he did not foresee the way the cotton letter was going to play out. i think for him it was a way of without signing on to a binding

legislation, a way to say to his critics he was not rooting for the enemies of america by being non-interventionist non-interventionist. he did not see the ripples that could come. he couldn't have predicted that. >> let me go to the panel. >> one thing he saw and didn't anticipate the backlash was it was a way to kick the president. anytime you're running for president talking to your base if you can kick the president, that's a good thing to do. if it actually kind of conflicts with your stance on iran and your stance on intervention, then you realize it later. it was incredibly disrespectful thing to do and all his rivals in the senate were signing the letter. >> it doesn't surprise me as much. once i read the text of the letter that rand paul would have signed it because it is so focused on the constitution checking the president's power. by the way congress has to be involved. this is what the constitution

says. the letter doesn't say we're going to bomb iran or anything about what our policy toward iran should be. it says congress should be involved. in that sense that's why i can both see why rand paul would have signed on and why i'm sure a lot of these folks are surprise adat the reaekz. >> looking at the party right now. you know this better than anybody here. if you look at the republican party right now, the whole talk two years ago, was in the wake of iraq and afghanistan, the republican party was going to return to these old non-interventionist routes what ron paul identified with rand paul identified with that. there was a big opening with that because of iraq. do you think that opening is closing because of isis? >> i think how we see how scary a place the world is i think that debate will be less central to what we see up on these debate stages in the 2016 primary. i still kind of think of rapid paul having a relatively high floor and a relatively low ceiling. in a lot of states unless he

loses this core base of support and takes more actions that really alienate the core paul folks, i think you can generally see him getting, you know fourth fifth sixth place. it's hard to see him with his foreign policy views ever being one or two. >> i'm being yelled at here we'll get you next time. thanks for joining us i appreciate it. still ahead in the show today, where in the world is vladmir putin? the mystery surrounding russia's leader and his sudden disappearance. next we'll go live to ferguson where that manhunt continues for the suspects who shot those two police officers. want it's a significant improvement over the infiniti we had... i've had a lot of hondas... we went around the country talking to people who made the switch to ford. the brand more people buy. and buy again. all-wheel drive is amazing... i felt so secure. i really enjoy the pep in its step... that's the ecoboost... the new image of ford now looks really refined. i drove the fusion... and i never went back. escape was just right. just announced, make the switch to ford and get $750 competitive owner cash on top of other offers

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continue to search for the person who shot two officers on wednesday night. for more on where that investigation stands. we are live in ferguson. what is the latest? >> reporter: good morning. police are still scrambling to locate the gunman who fired off the shots on thursday morning. for now, there are so many unanswered questions. just yesterday a st. louis county police chief said there are currently no people in custody. at this point they're unable to say that any arrest is imminent. earlier this week, police did take three people into custody for questioning, but they were later released that day and there were no arrests that were made. authorities have said there have been scores of tips called in to the police department. for right now, they are scrambling to figure out who exactly was the gunman. >> this is what we are watching closely. we will keep you apprised of the latest on any details that emerge. thank you for that. coming up next after two

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all right. there's a lot going on this morning. time to get caught up on some of the other headlines making news. this is catching up i call it the index card segment. we've got headlines from around the world on index cards. i'll read them and we'll have comments from the panel on these. let's see how many of these we can get through. from "the new york times" today. what's the headline say? pope francis predicts his papacy will be brief. this is the second anniversary of pope francis becoming pope. he's saying i have the feeling that my pontifficate will be brief. four or five years.

even two or three. he's talking about the idea -- usually this is a lifetime thing. he's talking about retirement which the last pope did but no pope before that had done. is this a new thing? >> he likes the look of retirement. he talked about wanting to go out ippublic have pizza. i think we need to get him a disguise a pope disguise. maybe he dressed up like joe biden. >> wear treat clothes. >> it's also -- >> is it francis like? >> it's unique to him in that exact way. he's like a papal curt cobane. >> it's not about power. it's about serving god. i doubt he would leave the papacy because he wants to get pizza and be ammanmous. that would be selfish. maybe he views himself as having a brief mission and time to hand the reins over.

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one of my all time favorite television personality is larry king. on his show every night you could watch him interview from major political figures to some of the biggest entertainers in the world. for a quarter of a century, his prime time show was the place to be seen if you wanted to make news. he can currently be seen on two different shows. larry king now and politic king on ora tv. i was thrilled to talk to king and ask him about politics and his career. there is a special caller standing by. trust me you will want to watch this interview all the way to the end. >> you were the king of interviews. if you had to put together your list of the three people you

wanted to interview right now who would it be? right now, the person i've never interviewed is fidel castro. he's at the end of a career. probably the longest running leader of a country ever. he's not in the news right now, but he partially is because we're opening the doors to cuba. i'd like to interview whoever the head of isis is. if we could find him and do it without being threatened to cut my head off. i like to interview evil people because evil people don't think they're evil. and merkel of germany. i've never met her. she is the most powerful force in europe today. it would be those three. >> that's is interesting. that's one of the reasons i was such a big fan. the variety you provided there

in those three different names and types. that was what made your show. one of the things that made your show on cnn so fun for to watch. what kind of guests did you have that surprised you? >> the best political interview of all is bill clinton. because he has an incredible mind, quick thinking. looks right into your eyes and answers your question directly. there is nobody like bill clinton. you can't be in a room with bill clinton for five minutes and not like him. >> how about hillary? >> i remember the first time i interviewed hillary. there was a picture of eleanor roosevelt in front of us, behind her. i happened to mention to her i had interviewed her in 1960. she went crazy that i shook her hand because hillary channelled eleanor roosevelt. it was unusual.

>> you one of the newest forms of twitter. you are something of a phenomenon on there. if people don't follow you i want to give you a look at what they're missing. here's a few recent things. pep tow biz mall not only works it tastes good. here's another one, in an emergency can any doctor remove an appendix? driving a tractor trailer has no appeal to me. where do these come from? >> i tell you where it started. years ago i did a column for usa today. i did it for 20 years. it started when the paper started. i wrote every monday. one monday a month i would do a column called it's my two cents. it was a throw back to a sports writer. all these thoughts are one liners they're just one sentence. i did that for a lot of years.

then i was a writer for the miami herald then i used to do things off the top. jerry seinfeld said i invented twitter because i used the minimum amount of words to get a thought out. >> before we let you go we want to give you a surprise. it's a tribute to the way you used to do your job. one of the things we lived about larry king live the viewer phone calls. we wanted to take one viewer phone call and have somebody ask you a question from the audience. old larry king live style. al. >> reporter: >> new york hello what's your question? >> new york hello. it's rachel maddow. >> i watch you every night. >> you're kidding? >> i'm not kidding. you come up at 9:00 i watch at 6:00. >> that is incredibly -- very humbling sir, thank you. i have a question for you. >> sure. >> what is the larry king plan

to make americans stop hating politics and stop hating our politician and start voting again? >> well one, that assumes we have a vote en masse. did we have a vote en masse? >> we used to vote more than we do now. we just had the lowest participation in 70 years in the last election. >> kids don't -- i got smart children all they do is go on their iphone and text each other. i've never seen them read a newspaper, they're 15 and 14. never seen them watch the news on television. why they're not drawn to that i do not know. maybe it's our fault. maybe we don't get them interested enough. >> what rachel is asking too, how do you think you can get people to care more in general? >> today it's more personality driven. if someone came along -- you know who i interviewed yesterday

from my internet show? ross peroh. al a voice from the past. i asked who he is going to be for in 2016. he said he's looking for washington or lincoln. if we had some great caresfigure. al clinton was the last one. you know rachel who is a great politician today where in you would say i'm going to cross the street to watch him speak? >> no. i don't think there is anybody. i mean there are politicians who i think are good people and likable people. in terms of somebody who seems larger than life i feel like those days are past. >> that's right. maybe the truth is what goes around comes around. hopefully -- i'll be gone you'll still be here rachel. >> you're never going to be gone, mr. king.

never. >> i'll put a vote in there for the politician these days. i think obama has the capability to doing that. >> when he's run sglg in 2008 certainly the energy he generated back then. thank you for making the trip to the studio and thank you rachel for taking part in this. it was great to unite the two offia. >> the next time you call in get right to the point, okay? >> agreed. >> thanks guys. >> we really appreciate the time. thank you very much. my thanks get to larry king and to rachel maddow the caller from new york, new york. that was a huge treat for me. a quick note that i misread one of the index cards when i said that paul giamatti was going to be playing -- dream casting would be. so far, at least, he will not be

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it's what makes a subaru a subaru. is hillary too big to fail? all right. thanks for staying with us this busy saturday morning. ahead in the second hour is the hillary clinton e-mail scandal resonating with voters? more on all of the reaction. and the data on that in just a moment. also things went from bad to worse this week for the agent's charged with protecting the president. our white house correspondent is standing by. this may be the day i learn what bit coin is. maybe i'll fiebd out today. making no promises.

cnbc brian kelly will be here to tell me about the brave new world of digital currency. he has his work cut out. amid new reports that isis is losing ground in iraq we will try to found out what motivates the terror group and how they're positioned for the long haul. an author of a book will be us to talk to us about that. now we are only minutes away from what is a truly once in a century, once in a lifetime event. today's very special pi day is worth commemorating. we are counting down and getting ready to celebrate. that will happen this hour. stay with us for our big pi party. we begin this hour with the biggest story of the week hillary clinton's press conference. >> i am very confident of the process that we conducted and the e-mails that were produced and i feel like once the american public begins to see the e-mails, they will have an

unprecedented insight into a high government official's daily communications, which i think will be quite interesting. >> so hillary clinton this week doing her best effort at damage control, her best ever to get this story behind her. how did she do? how much work does she have cut out for her on that front? obviously, this story, the e-mail scandal raising some concerns among democrats. you're seetish reported by "the new york times" democrats who think the hillary clinton is too big to fail. the idea being, that democrats don't really have another choice behind hillary clinton. this better not be a serious problem. she better be able to withstand something like this. let's take a look at some of the number and go to the big board and assess where hillary clinton stands right now. let's start with this let's look within the democratic party. that question is who will be the democratic candidate for 2016.

there isn't much for her to be worrying about. this is the latest poll that came out this week asking democrats, could you see yourself supporting this person or not? look at these numbers for hillary clinton. 86% could see themselves backing her. only 13% saying they couldn't. a difference of 73 points. you look at all the other usual suspects on the democratic side. nobody even beginning to come close to this. this is the kind of number it's rare to see a candidate, a politician with numbers like this. on the democratic side really right now, nothing for hillary clinton to be worrying about there. however, if you look at the broader general election electorate, all voters things start to get different. these are the overall favorable unfavorable ratings of the biggest names in politics. bill clinton positioned to be an asts for hillary clinton. look how popular he is. 56% favorable. hillary not doing bad there on her own.

44% unfavorable. 36% unfavorable. compare her to jeb bush. he's seen by many as the republican frontrunner, not sure he is. he's only at 23%, 34%. hillary clinton doing better than him. look at jeb bush doing worse than his brother when it comes to favorable unfavorable. jeb bush has a lower score on that front than him right now. if you much unhillary clinton and jeb bush. average the polls being taken. it's about an eight point margin. if you put scott walker a lit less known, he does slightly better than jeb bush does. that takes us to the mood of the country right now. do you want a candidate who experienced, tested or do you want a candidate who is going to bring change in 2016. this is a change election. look at that nearly 60% saying they're looking for the candidate who represents change not experience.

you go back to 2008 you talk about a change year barack obama, the obama wave of 2008 all about change. the number wasn't even that high in 2008. it's even higher. that's a warning sign for somebody like hillary clinton. experience has to be part of her calling card. you look at bush and clinton, you ask the question do they represent the past or new ideas. bush people say represents the idea of the past. hillary clinton, not as overwhelming, she fares better than jeb bush on this front. that's not necessarily a good number to be supporting if you're hillary clinton when you look at that appetite for change. so, you know it raises the question of jeb bush is he necessarily inbest republican to put up. if you put somebody up against her she may be more vulnerable because of the mood of the country. to talk more about hillary clinton where she stands in the wake of the press conference. the current columnist at

bloomberg view and bring back our panel. they are all still here. as i awkwardly walk around the cameras and work my way back to the table. i've made it. i did not trip. you join us from washington taking a look at to me this week was about a flash back to the 1990s. i think we'd forgotten for the clintons to be facing a media firestorm for the past six or seven years. now she's back in that front and center role. how do you think she handled it? >> looking at your stats there, if you have clinton fatigue, you're a little bit tireder this morning, but, you know if -- it's good to be queen. that's what i have to say about hillary. those who love her will still love her. the press conference, it wasn't like the press conference in pink. i don't remember if you remember that one when she just stood there and answered all the questions. this was fairly short. and my conclusion and i think the conclusion you have to draw

is that hillary clinton doesn't ask for permission. she barely asks for forgiveness. in that press conference. you know she got what she wanted. she got an e-mail system she controlled. no matter that other public officials can decide what's private, those ones that she decided were private, over 30,000, i think they are gone. you know i didn't know that e-mails could be gone. but these sound like they might be gone. and whatever server was out there in the garage in chappaqua seems to be able to destroy e-mails. >> we can show you the front page of the "new york times" talking about that. some of these actually could be lost for good that's in the "new york times" this morning. and there is also -- we should point this out as well politico has news about hillary clinton as well. this is saying that there -- a long time clinton aide is saying

kbaerveg has an incentive to start this campaign except for hillary clinton. that she still wants to delay things here. when you look at that question of when she will formally enter the race and subject herself to this on a daily basis, when do you think that's going to happen? in some ways this was her unintended debut. because it looked like part of a campaign. she wouldn't have planned it this way. those are the -- the wages of having done what she did. i think this does do this it says let's start sooner rather than later. there was a feeling inside her camp that they had forever. but now they realize they don't. because there is no good operation that falls into place when something like this happens. by the way, she was the only person i know to have a fail at a book tour. there wasn't an apparatus to help her through that when she started out saying things like we were dead broke. there wasn't an aperateparatus in

place to deal with this and get her out front in less than eight or nine days before she actually met with the press. >> let me bring the panel in here in new york on this. so what do you guys make of how she handled this week? let me start with you, joan we talk about on the democratic side those poll numbers are enviable for any politician. there are other democrats interested in this. the former governor you interviewed him this week. he's looking to get into the race. i wonder what your sense of him is as a potential candidate and whether there is any kind of an opening for him or somebody else to go gent hillary clinton? >> i think there is an opening. i think he wants to run. he did not make news with me and say i'm running. you got the feeling that he intends to make a run. the sad thing for him is us we have no appetite for asking him to elaborate on why he wants

to -- we want to know if he's going to hit hillary on e-mail. if he doesn't we walk away. i asked him about foreign policy. his answers were not practiced. one of his aides said i was the only one who asked him about the letter signed by the senators. everyone is asking about hillary's e-mail. he's in a weird place where he's having a moment and nobody wants to talk about the issues he's trying to carve out. nobody is paying attention unless he will hit hillary clinton. >> she will need a number two on that ticket if she gets the nomination. he would be a good choice. he didn't attack her. bernie sanders isn't attacking her. it hasn't hurt her with democrats. most people aren't paying attention. >> i mean if it was a strategic move or ambition move. i think they believe this is not

an issue. most democrats bernie sanders talk about it as disgust. they see it as a ginned up. she had an unorthodox server situation. every politician has a decision as to whether they'll use private or public e-mail. everybody handles that differently. >> that is a very interesting word to use. breaking the rules would be the way that i see it. >> no. >> this isn't a story that i think a lot of americans are necessarily following. but the reason why you'll see the sort of -- it's the partisan, because it comes down to trust. do you trust hillary clinton snp do you think she's a trustworthy person or do you think she's trying to hide something, always trying to push the limits, always trying to just maybe follow the letter but not the spirit of the law. and that's why i think you've got a lot of republicans who smell blood in the water. they say are we going to attack hillary clinton for being incompetent or attack her for being the past. are we going to attack her for being untrustworthy. this has opened up the

opportunity. even if people go i like hillary clinton but those e-mails i'm not going to vote for her. probably not a lot of voters. people go this drip drip drip of clinton, clinton. >> i want to bring you back in this very quickly at the end. i'm curious about looking at hillary clinton versus the republicans. and that sort of debate republicans are having that scott walker is trying to start on the republican side about you want a fresh face to run against her. you don't want a bush or the son of a president. these numbers we have frul the polling showing people undermoodin the mood for change. does he have a point snp. >> as you showed hillary is fresher than jeb bush. the problem with what happened this week is it makes her seem staler. that we're pulled back into the days when secrecy and non-tranceparency and we do things our way. the idea that there are 0,000 e-mails about center pieces for

the wedding or her mother's funeral. very heart tugging and wise for her to bring up these personal things. it's hard to believe there were 30,000 of those. we're dragged back not just by ideas, which is what you were doing -- showing us earlier. we're dragged back bike behavior. that's the problem with the e-mail issue. >> all right. i'll let you get in quickly at the end. >> she ran a terrible campaign in 2008. i have never seen one poll that said her problem was that voters didn't trust her. the media doesn't trust her, voters trust her. we have not seen jeb bush's private e-mails either. he admittedly has a lot of private e-mails he hasn't released. we're not going to see them. why must they not become public? it's ridiculous. >> ten seconds i'll put you onthen clock. >> this is wakeup call. it reminds them of their ability

to draw drama. this will be a positive wakeup call for them. >> margaret carlson. we appreciate you getting up this morning. still ahead, our pi party now just minutes away. special guest celebrations pastries all sorts of things. next we'll go live to the white house for the latest reporting on the secret service controversy. some surprising details. stay with us. start the interview with a firm handshake. ay,no! don't do that! try new head & shoulders instant relief. it cools on contact, and also keeps you 100% flake free. try new head & shoulders instant relief. for cooling relief in a snap. meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer...

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we're still waiting for president obama to comment on the latest embarrassment for the secret service. by now you've probably heard that according to "the washington post," two high level agents who had been drinking drove through a barrier near the white house during an investigation to a bomb threat. nbc news correspondent kristin

wellker joins us live frurm the white house. what do you know about this? >> reporter: here's the latest information we have. this incident happened last wednesday. two top secret service agents mark conly and george ogilvie left a going away party for a colleague and drove a mile to the white house. they interrupted that active bomb investigation as you say. it was initially reported that they crashed into a barrier at the scene. my sources are telling me it's more like they nudged a barrier at a low rate of speed. there is bipartisan outrage and concern on capitol hill. the house oversight committee is demanding that secret service director joseph clancy brief the committee by next wednesday. here are the key concerns why did it take five days for president obama to be told about this incident? the source close to the investigation telling me that part of the delay was the director clancy while aware of the incident wasn't briefed on its severity until monday.

other key concerns for lawmakers, why is a supervisor who was on that scene that night allegedly allow the two agents to go home without undergoing field sobriety testing, as was recommended by other officers on the scene. the two senior agents have been reassigned and have not responded to our requests for comment. president obama saying he stands by director clancy but he will get tough questions on capitol hill next week. >> we appreciate that. thank you very much. still ahead, something happening after this coming break that is not going to happen for another 100 years. it is pi day. it's super pi day. we're counting up to a moment you will not want to miss. we have on set the world's biggest pi enthusiast. he claims he can recite pi out to a thousand digits. good morning to you. you can go ahead and start counting. we'll check back with you after the break and see how far you can go. it is the pi day of the century.

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we're about two minutes away. we will commemorate that with our count down clock. in the meantime we will do our catching up segment here. we have "the new york times" here's a headline vladmir putin has vanished. rumors are popping up everywhere. putin has not been seen ippublic for more than a week. canceling a trip and postponing a treaty signing. look at this one. the cover of the noes today. >> love child. >> is he spulunking in caracas? >> he's working on his abs. >> i'm sure they'll release pictures about that if that is the case. vladmir putin is always good for a mystery or two. what else do we have? washington post, the rise of luxury toilet paper growth in the sale of luxury toilet paper out pacing regular toilet paper

for the first time in ten years. i guess you're looking at luxury toilet paper. it's anything that's considered lotioned perfumed or ultrasoft. i will cut this short and head over to our pi day countdown clock now. it is 9:25 a.m. that means we are inside of a minute. that big moment we were telling you about. as mark continues to count the numbers here. he's probably about 500 in now. this is pi the formula for the whatever exactly it is. some kind of geometry thing i did bad on in school. the numbers go on and on forever. march 14th, 2015. at 9:26:53. that puts us now 20 seconds to the ultimate moment of pi. this is a moment i think mark has been waiting for for a long time as we move to our ten seconds countdown ladies and gentlemen. we are ten seconds away from something you will not experience for another 100

years. you're going to have to be frozen to experience this again. two, one, boom. you're all matched up. and we stopped the clock. mark, how do you feel? >> it's a planetary alignment. you will not see that until the jeer 2115. >> how does it feel? >> very refreshing. i've come a long way to see such an alignment. a anonally of these dates which would be the debsmal point here 14 15, 3, 1492653. about 11 decimal places you see right in that. >> how long have you been looking forward to it? >> since i first became very interested in pi when i first wanted to be the insanely obsessive person in this country to want to break the record

since 1995. >> 20 years in the making. we have actual pie with the pi logo delivered to the set over there. our guests our panel enjoying that. tell me a little bit more about pi day. this should -- all right. we had some details. here we go. pi has been around 13 trillion known digits. it would take approximately 150,000 years to recite them all. mark can tell you what that's like a little bit more here. we're having trouble with the app. let me ask you this you have been looking forward to this for 20 years. the moment came we're celebrating it. we have pie for you. what do you do now? >> professionally? >> what do you do as a pi enthusiast now you have reached the high moment of pi. >> i want to inspire people what pi is. as far as how it affects our daily lives in this country.

it's the -- in the world rather. it's the most indispensable decimal when we use in geometry trigometry. no building could stand. if you look around the manhattan area, the bridges you see, most especially the roadway tubes, everything that employs the shape of a circle. pi has been implemented as that constant in order to make those circles recise. you cannot have anything without it. >> i still don't know what it is but i will have the other pie with an e. congratulations op this moment. thank you for joining us. still ahead bit coin atm's are popping up around america. nerks are republicans beginning to sound a lot like liberals? stay with oh yea, that's coming down let's get some rocks, man.

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we've seen over the past number of years two americas emerge. the top 1% earn a higher share of our income in any year since 1928. for the rich and powerful big government has been a good deal. but working men and women across this country are hurting. >> that was republican senator ted cruz talking about two americas. it's a political catchphrase that was made famous by a liberal democrat john edwards, remember him? ran on an antipoverty platform in 2008. it wasn't too long ago that republicans blasted talk of the income divide as class warfare. speaker of the house john boehner with this to say back in 2012 when president obama was running for reelection and casting republicans as advocates for the wealthy. quote, this is a president who said i'm not going to be a divider, i'm going to be a

uniting running on the politics of division and envy is to me almost unamerican. that was john boehner in 2012. with the economy improving republicans seem eager to spout some of the popialist economic themes they wouldn't touch a few years ago. >> the so-called 1% that the president is always talking about have done quite well. middle and lower income americans are about $3,000 a year worse off than they were when he came to office. >> the recovery has been everywhere but in the family paychecks. al the american dream has become a mirage for too many. >> income inequality has worsened. >> the president's policies have made income inequality worse. >> joining the panel we have an msnbc contributor. welcome. happy pi day to you. >> it's the greatest pi show on earth. >> that's what we aim for. i'm glad we're living up to it.

let me ask you, ted cruz using the same words and same theme. >> it's fun to see republicans sound like marxists. you alluded to it in your introduction. the republicans wanted to attack president obama because the recovery wasn't yet producing jobs. guess what the recovery is now producing a lot of jobs. ts . they have to move on to the remaining economic problems and inremaining economic problems with wage stagnation inequality, declining social mobility. so that's what they want to talk about. the problem here is that when they do that they have to start talking the other side's talk. the democrats did this back in the 1980s in the reagan era when they wanted to sound better. remember when the democrats were talking how much they loved on

ontruprunears. the disadvantage is they're playing on the other side. where are the solutions if i could use a metaphor of the day. is there any pie in the pie box labelled inequality. what you see for example for marco rubio and mike lee, on the top there's a proposal to increase the earned income tax credit to help the working poor. that's good. it's superimposed on all the big tax cuts for the rich. we're back to the same old policy. i think the champllenge is picking up on an idea the other side focuses on. will their ideology allow them to answer the problem. >> it strikes me in 2012 when you had the democrats and president obama, playing up themes of income inequality of the idea as republicans as the protectors of the rich one of the things that made it effective mitt romney played to

type. he was the person the democrats dreamed of having on that subject. when you look at the republican today. somebody like scott walker from a humble background and played up a blue calarappeal, does having someone like that make it easier on issues like this? >> it makes it easier if the mesengeer speaks the right language. mitt romney dipt get in problem because of who he was, it was the things he said, the 47% that are enforced the perception of what he was. scott walker or a marco rubio who doesn't present as this rich guy who worked on wall street all these years is a better messenger in that sense. he can't be hobnobbing with rich donors and promising the rich donors lots of tax cuts and other benefits.

they have to have -- in the end, i think voters look and they see impressions, but they also understand in their guts which direction policies go. if the policies don't change at all, then the impression will be better they won't have as men problems as romney has but it won't stop the problem. >> all these talk about republicans, i might as well ask a republican about this. how do you look at this? is there a reaction here looking at the 2012 election, the wealth gaffs all these things are we seeing a reaction to that? >> i think the republicans understand they need to be able to win over the middle class in a really serious way in order to competitive in national politics. in that moesz recent poll it shows they say don't think president obama or hillary clinton represent the middle class but they don't think the republicans do either. republicans say it's not a coincidence if the ten richest counties in america, most of them are right around

washington, you can't separate out this issue of big government from crony capitalism. and you know more money the government takes in the more money the government spending the more opportunity it is from it to be taken from the middle class and given to the friends of rich political figures. big government is the enemy of the middle class. i think that is the aurlt you will hear from these folks. >> i think big government also built the middle class in the 50s and 60s. we need to acknowledge that. scott walker blue caller routes of sots. a lot of economists have said maybe one third of the current stage stagnation is the decline as uniens. it's kind of a magical graph. they travel together. so there is lot that we could be doing. the idea that barack obama is being blamed for income inequality is ridiculous. the top 1% is keeping more of their income than they were

keeping under ronald reagan. we need to get back to tax policies that fund the things that build the middle class. >> i want to thank for getting up. we will try to answer all your questions about bit coin. all of my questions about bit coin, including what is it? stay with us. i have the worst cold with this runny nose. i better take something. dayquill cold and flu doesn't treat your runny nose. seriously? alka-seltzer plus cold and cough fights your worst cold symptoms

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if you're looking to book a summer vacation this could be a great year to head overseas particularly europe. the value of the euro is the lowest it's been in 12 years. the dollar could soon be worth more than the yuro for the first time ever. it's good time for another currency, one you can't carry in your wallet. it's called bit quoit.

the wall street yurnl reporting bit coin raised $116 million to turn the digital currency into what the paper calls a phenomenon. we're told that more money that any bit coin tartup has ever raised. the company is keeping mum about what it plans to do with the investment. to be honest with you, i don't think i understand the plan even if they told me because i don't understand much of what i've been saying about bit coin. the concept of a digital currency baffles me. how should i use it? will i get arrests for using it? where do people keep their bit coin? are there bit coin collectors. i hope this contributor can help me. he is the author of the book the bit coin big bang. how alternative currencies are about to change the world. he joins us now. brian, i've been hearing the name bit coin for a few years. they sponsored a college bowl game last night.

i watched the bit coin bowl. is there an actual coin? >> there is not a coin like a dollar that you pull out. but essentially, it's an entry in a data base like your bank account now. you log on to jp morgan and you see the dollars you have in there. you log on to your bit coin account and you'll see your bit coin account inthrop. >> i could log on to my wells fargoio have $14 in your savings account why would i want to use bit coin instead of the dollar? >> for the first time in human history and sense money has been invented. i can send you money without a trusted third party. so when you go back to the ancient banking of mesoputamia you had to find a money changer and exchange it because i dent know the dollar bill you're sending me is counterfeit or not. somebody would sit in the middle of that whole transaction and guarantee that the dollar i'm getting is actually a legitimate dollar. the banking system does that now. we transfer it back and forth.

with bit coin what you can do is i don't need a banking system. i remove the middle man. that's the first time in financial history we've done that. >> is the appeal of this is it -- you can transfer money without being detected is that basically? >> you know it's interesting, is the appeal is you can transfer money or value without a middle man. so essentially, the business concept is, it brings the costs of transferring any type of value down to zero. in any business that's a good thing for the consumers. in terms of -- without being detected, that's actually not -- that's -- that's people get that wrong. you can track everything single bit coin that was ever created where it went every wallet address it went to from the beginning of time. >> it sounds like a tax avoidance thing to me. that you can transfer money and you don't have to pay an inheritance tax or something. >> you would the. the irs has ruled this as property like a house. you do have to report it on your

taxes. it's completely within the law to use bit coin and you do have to pay taxes. >> can i go to a store right now and pay for something like bit coin? >> sure there's a lot of stores that accept bit coin. you mentioned the bit coin bowl. there is something called bit pay and they have point of sale systems. you can go to a store. like apple pay you put up a qr code and you send them bit coin. i bought a bottle of champagne online. >> do you guys trust this thing? >> i'm not sure what the legal argument is. my understand it would be illegal to start your own currency. this seems like its own currency. >> it is its own currency. the legal argument is well here's the thing, it exists in cyber space like the internet. so it may be illegal to start your own currency -- to compete against the u.s. dollar. this is more of a value transfer

type system. it exists beyond borders. so the legal argument is a little up in the air right now. you start to see invasion moving to jurisdictions that are more supportive of digical currency. >> is anybody trying to shut it down? >> in some countries. the biggest countries like russia. you've seen that. there is a bill on the books they want to ban digital currencies. a lot of countries like china have made it difficult to use it. china is a big digital currency trading. the wealthy elite were using bit coin to get moib out of the country. >> if you sink money into this are you at risk of this collapsing. >> it's a new technology, there are risks. the biggest risk is a regulatory risk. the government could come in and say this is illegal. i think that was the risk a year or two ago. now that it's such a big part of silicon valley and finance right

now, i think it will be difficult to shut this down. i don't think they will. they already said they're supporting it. >> i learned one thing at least, bit coin is not a coin. thank you for coming up on today. in our last hour larary king told us he would like to interview the head of isis. we will try to find out all we can about isis with the author. stay with us. it's never been better to wander because wherever you go, you'll find us doing everything we can, so you can. hey, gracie... you know how our family has... daddy and mommy... and me! yeah, that's right. pretty soon... you're going to have a baby brother. ♪ ♪ and... a puppy. ♪ ♪ [ chuckles ] deal. ♪ ♪

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after what seemed like nonstop expansion, the islamic state is losing ground in iraq as 30,000 government and militia forces take back the city of tikrit. an isis defector was interviewed saying the hostages appear calm in videos because they have been subjected to so many mock executions before. the militant known as jihady john told them. >> we don't kill you. only video. >> joining the panel is a

terrorism expert and co-author of a new book called "isis: the state of terror." every week we get more details about what they do and how they do it. let me ask you this bottom line question about them. what is the ultimate goal? what would isis consider a success? what's their goal? >> they are anticipating the end times. they are going through a series of signs. they see leading up to the end times. >> in terms of their appeal right now in the most and even locally, what is it? what about isis appeals to people? a potential convert. >> i think there are many aspects to how isis recruits. one is promise you the

opportunity to live in a sharia-based state. in other words, come here we'll give you a wife free housing. there's the spiritual reward of actually getting to help people. some people are attract eded to the notion of helping sunnis who are very much under threat in syria. and living for a long time in a sectarian regime since 2011. >> so what is the state of the campaign against isis right now? we say in the introduction there's some success in taking some territory back. you had in the last year or two this wave of success for isis. are we watching that be reversed right now? are these temporary gains?

where does it stand? >> we see some gapeins, but we also see some losses. this week isis accepted boko haram. and isis is pushing out into other areas of iraq. i think it's going to be awhile before we can really declare victory. >> is it something ultimately that can be defeated? >> not for a long time. it's both a terrorist organization, an insurgent army and ideology. we need to fight all three aspects of isis. >> president obama saying this is about religion. others say you can ignore that problem. what truth? >> i have interviewed religious terrorists my whole life.

but they always give me a reading list. they always have aspects of the text that would seem to justify what they do. so yes, it's based on their interpretation. they claim it's the only interpretation, but obviously, that's not true. >> it's plausible interpretation though. >> i'm not myself a religious scholar. it seems to me no. i think king abdullah of jordan is absolutely right when he calls them outcasts. there's identity christians consider themselves to be true christians, but very few christians recognize the christianity they practice. to me isis which few people would recognize. >> jessica stern, thank you very joining us this morning. want to thank the panel for joining us.

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this morning my question, how would you build a police department from scratch? plus race talks, the college edition. but first, the ongoing manhunt for a shoot erer in ferguson, missouri. good morning, i'm melissa harris-perry. police in st. louis are still looking for the people responsible for shooting two police officers late wednesday night during a protest outside the ferguson police station. the bullets hit one officer in the shoulder and the other in the fa