this morning my question have we entered the age of too much information? plus suing the city of seattle because it's trying to pay a living wage. and trying to suppress the vote just days after selma. but first, what's the matter with wisconsin? good morning, i'm melissa harris-perry. this was the scene on monday in madison, wisconsin, as hundreds of high school students and university students walked out of their classrooms to occupy the state capitol building to protest the shooting death of 19-year-old tony robinson who was unarmed when he was killed by police.

robinson was shot last friday evening by officer matt kenny, who police say was responding to 911 reports of a young man behaving erratically, yelling, jumping in front of cars and assaulting bystanders. it is still unclear exactly what happened when officer kenny encountered robinson in the apartment robinson shared with two friends. but police say kenny was assaulted before he opened fire. police scanner audio indicates officers knew robinson's name and age before arriving to the scene and a dispatcher can be heard reporting no weapons seen. preliminary autopsy released friday listed robinson's cause of death as firearm-related trauma. after being shot in the head torso and upper body. more than 1,000 people gathered yesterday at a wisconsin high school to pay their final respects to tony robinson. the funeral was just more than a week after his death sparked an outpouring of support and outrage from wisconsin residents who joined the cause of the

national movement sparked by the police shooting of mike brown in ferguson, missouri. the protests this week had all the hallmarks of the movement that have by now become so familiar each time another name is added to the list of unarmed african-americans killed by police. the young activists marching and rallying for justice and recognition, the calls for police reform and accountability, the banners held aloft declaring that yes, black lives matter. but there was also another aspect of this protest. wisconsin activists taking their message directly to lawmakers that felt like something we've seen before because in fact the students were following in the footsteps of the hundreds of protesters who in february of 2011 set up camp inside the capitol building to protest a bill that would strip public employees of almost all of their collective bargaining power. of course for those activists, the target of their anger wasn't a government institution like the police but one government official in particular wisconsin governor scott walker. who went on to sign that bill

into law. but even after that image from 2011 of scott walker pen in hand slashing away at labor rights, that image may inspire some deja vu in anyone who was following the other big news to come out of wisconsin on monday because there was governor walker once again signing his name to another bill that will weaken unions in wisconsin. this time it was the so-called right to work. an initiative that walker indicated he would not push for when he was running for re-election. but that is now wisconsin's newest labor law and could lead to defunding unions of the financial support they need to operate. and while the walker's latest anti-union initiative may seem a world away from a cause that inspired protesters to declare in the state house that black lives matter a coalition has united in wisconsin to connect the dots. on wednesday, wisconsin workers were joined by youth activists against police violence to march together as we rise a national

day of action that included 20 events in 16 states. the groups coalesced in protest to highlight the links between union rights poverty, mass incarceration and state violence and to sound the call for racial and economic justice. here with me now is scott ross executive director of one wisconsin now. also heather mcgee president of dmos and kaylynn jones, president of the black student union and one of the organizers of monday's student protests. kaylynn, i know that you were at tony robinson's funeral yesterday and i understand it was particularly hard for you and the other young people who were present? >> yes, ma'am. it was really hard. it hurt to see him like that. >> tell me a little bit about why this death, the shooting

death of tony robinson has not only sparked the pain that you're feeling but the protests? >> i think it was because no one expected to come to madison. i've lived in madison since i was little and i never thought of madison to be something -- someplace where something like this would happen. i mean i have really good interactions with a lot of the police officers in madison and i look at all of them most of the ones i've seen in a positive way. and when this happened it just -- i think it caught everybody off guard and you hear about this stuff on the news all the time with the trayvon martin cases and the mike brown cases, but when it hits home and when it's someone you know personally, it's a whole different story. and it sparks a different kind of flame. >> absolutely. talk to me then about the decision that you all made to take those concerns directly to the state capitol. why go there?

>> the point of going directly to the state capitol was to get out the idea that us as students wanted to stand up and make a voice and be heard and that we wanted everyone to know that we were going to support him no matter how young we are, no matter what other people were thinking that we were going to sit back we were going to get up, we were going to fight and make sure that justice was served. >> let me ask you one more question on this kaylahn, when you say justice is served what is it that all of you are looking for? we're looking at images of you and other young people in madison. it was extraordinary to see so very many young people high school students, college students, there in madison. what are you hoping to see as the reforms as a result of these protests? >> we hope to see that as justice, we want some form of punishment. we want to see some form of the

family being able to know that this isn't going to go unnoticed, this isn't going to be brushed under the rug, that something is going to be done about this. >> kaylahn jones in madison, wisconsin, thank you so much for joining us on a day that i know is a tough day after the funeral yesterday. at this point i'm now going to turn to my panel a bit. we've heard this voice both from miss jones but from these young people. scott, this is your state. you've been involved and engaged in activism there. are we going to see now a set of connections made between labor, between questions of poverty, between issues of organizing and i just was so stunned about how similar these protests looked to those in 2011. >> yeah melissa. this tragedy is allowing a long overdue conversation to happen

in the state of wisconsin, in madison particular about the disparity of race of outcomes both in the legal system but as well as in the social justice system as in the economy. it's an overdue conversation that needs to be had. there's some roots of it having happened the last year or so people coming together to talk about it some very forceful and important voices but so much more has to be done. hats off to the people in the community like kaylahn who are using this to make sure their voices are heard and to have a real conversation begin on this. >> heather, i am struck by kaylahn saying to us i actually didn't grow up with some oppositional culture vis-a-vis the police i've had a generally positive view of the police and then for this to happen particularly in the context of a national black lives matter movement. i'm wonder if wisconsin ends up being the crossroads the real space where these various movements around issues of justice meet. if that were to happen i guess

i'm wondering what might be the power of that level of intersectional intergenerational movement? >> it really is where we need to go as a nation and as a movement. we talk about this a lot at my organization because we sit very much at the crossroads of movements for economic justice and racial justice. we have this vantage point of these different communities having very similar fights that really all come down to whose lives matter whose voices count. we're able to make a connection between mass incarceration, the role of money in politics and driving the prison industrial system and also obviously, issues like minimum wage and economic justice. so you can make that link sort of analytically and become very clear that you know groups are behind so many of the fights going on across the country, but where it needs to happen now is within the movement. i will say that the progressive movement for a long time has really adopted a color blindness regime internally and not been

willing to really face that fact that even though intellectually our issues may be connected, we're not really talking to each other as much as we should be. i think wisconsin might be a great site for that kind of intergenerational dialogue to report. >> it was reported just last year that wisconsin overall that was focused in milwaukee is in fact dead last in the nation for the well-being of black children. but it is certainly about their realities, but it's also connected to all of these issues. stick with us, because i want to dig into this a little bit more. i also wanting to bring in a slightly different voice. i want to bring in the man who did things differently in wisconsin. the chief of police from madison, wisconsin, when we come back. i'm like a big bear and he's my little cub. this little guy is non-stop. he's always hanging out with his friends. you've got to be prepared to sit at the edge of your seat and be ready to get up. there's no "deep couch sitting." definitely not good for my back. this is the part i really don't like right here. (doorbell) what's that? a package!

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echos of figureerguson every time another headline appears with the words that become an alarm for national movement to mobilize. unarmed african-american, white police officer, shot killed protests outrage. indeed, they were all the words used over the past week to tell the story of how tony robinson was killed and the response that followed his death. but what happened next? the way police responded to protesters sent a message that at least in this one respect, madison is not ferguson, and it was a message from the police that came from the very top. act was the militarized police response to protesters that strained tensions in ferguson. instead there was the police chief praying with tony robinson's grandmother. ensuring his officers did not repeat the actions of officers in ferguson. >> everybody is still engaging with the crowd, we're still facilitating, we're trying to understand and we do understand the sense of loss and the

resentment and the lack of trust for the police. so we're going to continue to work through this grieving process together. it's not the police and the community, it's us. >> police chief michael koval joins me now from madison. so chief, you talk about there being an us who's grieving. i just spoke with a young woman moments ago from there in madison who was at the funeral yesterday. her sense of loss very tangible very real. what does it mean to say that the police are grieving with this community? >> well again, i don't want to feel like we are compartmentalized as if we are not part of the fabric of the life stream of our community. we go to the same schools, we go to the same malls, our kids are in school together. so to sort of differentiate us as somehow being in two different camps is not really the true realities of what we're doing here in community

policing. so in that sense we all have that shared sense of loss. >> chief, you made a number of different choices than your colleagues in other cities who have been faced with similar experiences. one of them was to immediately release the name of the officer, matt kenny, who was actually the shooter in this case. now, in other similar circumstances, police leadership have indicated that they didn't release the names of the officers because they feared for the officer's safety. is that not a concern for you in this case? >> well of course we're always worried about maintaining the officer's safety but in this juncture knowing that those names -- that name is going to be released inevitably i think it goes to a grander sense of your transparency in trying to recultivate and re-engage the trust that may have been lost with many in our community. of course we're not going to leave an officer stranded or isolated or marginalized. we had already taken contingencies for his safety.

so from that standing point i think it was best we get out that information in realtime so that people know we're not trying to obfuscate the facts. >> you did something else that i thought was fascinating in comparison again to what we've seen to some of your law enforcement colleagues in other cities. i just want to play a small bit about monday's press conference and ask about your decision to respond in this way. let's just take a quick listen. >> i just don't know that it's helpful for the police to take a young man's life and reduce it to some sort of a record of arrests and prosecutions. i don't think that has value in terms of where we want to take our community in next steps. >> so you chose not to talk about whether or not mr. -- young mr. tony robinson had some previous arrests. again, quite different than choices made previously. can you talk to me about your decision there? >> at a fundamental level, i have two adult sons of my own. we're all in this sense of humanity and grief and loss

together. what possible good can there come of something in terms of trying to engage in some sort of character assassination on a poor man whose life was unfulfilled, owing in part to the actions of the police. so in that sense there's no way that i was going to be bait and switched into trying to demean someone whose family is still starkly grieving. it just is not productive for anybody at any level. >> so it seems to me chief, that again your responses, the way that you are engaging with this community feels so dramatically different. this is the same week that this was occurring in your community, the department of justice was announcing six different cities across the country where it's going to be engaging in really changing the way that policing is done. i'm not sure if you've seen those reports yet, but i'm wondering are you actively purposely doing something different in madison? is this just about you and your position or is this about an entire police force? >> i'd really like to believe that i'm just merely the

figurehead of a force that is deeply committed to community engagement. we are among the first to have had neighborhood officers mental health officers liaisons in, oh so many contexts beyond conventional or traditional law enforcement. i think that when you have 455 people, we have bachelor's degrees, we come from all walks of life we're highly diverse. i just think that we're in a position poised to show the country that there's a different narrative that can be lived if only you commit to it. >> let me ask you a tough one. given how different it is there, how is it that a young man -- a friend could have called asking for help and a young man who is as far as we know at this point unarmed end up being shot by one of the officers? >> of course it's difficult because if at the outset of a call if that's all we know about it, then that of course portrays a sort of one-dimensional approach to the grand context of that call. we know that with more time and with the dci leading the

investigation, there are many layers to this onion and the first call in and of itself again does not define the evolution of all that is known about the case or hopefully will become revealed by dci. so we have to suspend the judgment and we have to await those fact-findings. >> thank you to police chief michael koval in madison, wisconsin. here's to things unfolding very differently in your city than we have seen them across the country. up next, recently he's been to london and to iowa now to new hampshire. but he's the governor of wisconsin. what is all that travel about? oh yea, that's coming down let's get some rocks, man. health can change in a minute. so cvs health is changing healthcare. making it more accessible and affordable with walk-in medical care, no appointments needed and most insurance accepted. minuteclinic. another innovation from

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according to the nerdland unofficial class of 2016 presidential candidate count, the number of declared presidential candidates so far remains at a grand total of zero. that's right. still not a one. what's that you say? what about that governor from wisconsin. oh, sure the governor's schedule carries a strong whiff

of campaign trail. he was recently in london on a trade mission shoring up some foreign policy street cred. even as that effort was overshadowed by refusing to say if he believes in evolution. he has made the rounds in iowa. this weekend it was new hampshire, the trip marked walker's first stop to the first in the nation primary state since 2012. saturday morning as part of a two-day visit, the not yet presidential candidate sounded an awful lot like one while speaking at concord high school. >> i have optimism that if we can put the kind of leadership in place in this country that we have done in my state and many of my neighboring states where common sense leaders stood up four years ago and said we're going to change things we're going to make them better, we're going to lead in a way that's common sense republican conservative principles, act in a way that make our states better and we have i believe we can do the same thing in america. >> now, if the travel schedule didn't convince you and if the

"i can save america" stump speech didn't convince you that wisconsin's governor is running for president, let's go to substance. let's look at walker on the issues. better yet let's look at governor walker's local paper looking at walker on the issues. had headline reads "scott walker reversals piling up as presidential bid looms." it reports that governor scott walker was against a federal ethanol mandate until he was for it. the republican governor also has changed his stance or priority at least publicly on e.r.other issues, including giving implants who are in the country illegally the chance to become u.s. citizens making wisconsin a right to work so-called state and leaving the decision about having an abortion to a woman and her doctor. the implication is that walker is doing what he must to align his position with the right wing of his party to turn out and determine the republican nominee. yesterday in new hampshire walker again not an official candidate, even had to fend off questions of being a flip-flopper, saying it's just quote, a narrative from the other campaigns.

but there aren't any other campaigns. he doesn't even have a campaign not officially at least. but by now i think it's clear that we can say that governor scott walker is among a large republican field eyeing that white house address. and to know what walker would prioritize for america, we need only look at what he prioritized for wisconsin. a $300 million cut for funding for education. taxes, cut them especially for the rich and just barely for the poor. the lowest 20% of tax filers would receive a tax cut of just $2 a year. but deer hunters, they're doing all right in scott walker's wisconsin where the governor's budget authorizes the department of natural resources to direct $600,000 on buck mortality, and the future of the state's white tail herd and that's just for starters. with me, scot ross heather mcgee and joining my panel, john simmons, who is the business editor of the "international business times" and carrie

sheffield. i want to start with you. look, i'm a southerner. deer hunters are voters too, right? but i'm wondering when we look at this sort of set of practices, particularly around his economic interests, is scott walker from what you've seen shoring up a kind of republican primary base? >> i think so yes definitely. i mean he's been to new york. i've met him here in new york with some other republican contenders making their way trying to get the donor class here in new york. so he's certainly making noises. whether he's changing his tone i think we saw that with hillary clinton as well. she's trying to channel her inner elizabeth warren. she's changing her tone a little bit so i think that's normal. i think that's normal in terms of looking at a primary or how candidates or potential fake candidates are trying to position themselves. >> here's what i also find interesting because, you know, the flip-flop thing has always set funny with me.

i'm a teacher so if people wanting to learn and have new positions, who's to say what's in your mind. but scott walker is positioning himself quite clearly as a populist candidate. i want to listen to him talking about how he shops as kohl's. let's take a listen. >> i get that insert out from the sunday newspaper and i take it up to the clerk with my kohl's credit card and get another 10% or 15% off. then i watch that mailer so i know i'm going to get another 10% or 15% off. if i'm really lucky, i get that flier with 30% off, right? right? >> i know after many years of practice that if i'm going to go buy a shirt, i go to that rack that says it was $29.99 and now it's $19.99 and then i get the sunday insert out with the little scratch-off and take it up to the cash register along with my kohl's credit card. >> the first time he was shopping in kohl's was january in iowa then march in new

hampshire that he's talking about it. is there anything troubling about the like kohl's sunday insert populism over and against the ending of labor unions capacity to collectively bargain? >> i'm going to say this about scott walker. he is politics incarnate and he is the most experienced post baby boomer elected official in the united states of america. he has been basically running for office his entire adult life. >> he's good at it. >> he's very good at it. he's almost unbeatable. i think that's what people should be looking at with this guy. he's got a dock triptrinedoctrine. reward my donors increase my power, punish my enemies. that's the way he's operated for 25 years as an elected official a guy who ran for office twice before he could legally renting a car. >> you know it ain't a bad way to win office and hold power, but it does have potentially

real economic -- like i actually get the i'm with the people sort of discourse. it's also one that if he were to ending up running against hillary clinton, he would ending up with a pretty powerful narrative over and against hers about that populism. but i wonder if it stands up in the same week in which he signs so-called right to work legislation. >> he's talking about looking at discounts on the rack but actually those are about the kinds of wage cuts that people may see if he continues to go with this really sort of sharp worn inequality ajengdgendaagenda. at a time when you have the highest concern of the american people being under government dysfunction, the loss of living standards, you have just an alec playbook policy proposal that he pushed through in wisconsin after saying that he wouldn't do it and we know that it's going to cause a decrease in the quality of life for wisconsin workers. so it's really going to be hard i think, for him to say both i am a populous because i shop at

kohl's and i don't want to give the workers at kohl's a raise. >> you seem a little skeptical, my friend. >> well scott walker has done a lot for the republican party. basically what he's done is defang the union movement. unions tend to support democrats in a lot of these major industrial midwestern industrial states. >> i think i just undersold that in a big way. >> he's taken away the lobbying money from these unions. >> you kill unions you take the life blood out from behind the democratic -- so you think there's a reward system for someone who has helped in that way? >> there will certainly be rewards for him nationally that he's done this yes. >> i think he has benefited the taxpayers of wisconsin. the voters of wisconsin elected him three times in four years. his margins did not change. whether it was the recall both elections he held firm his margins. look, i used to rate bonds at moody's, which is a wall street firm. people at moody's don't care

about partisanship they just want to make sure the bonds are strong. in new jersey i've been on msnbc talking about how chris christie has been an awful governor. new jersey has been downgraded multiple times by moody's and other credit rating agencying but wisconsin is in position to be upgraded because of what scott walker has done. when you look at the unions themselves, when these reforms happened with the public sector unions people were able to leave the unions they left voluntarily because they were being strong armed to join these unions. so we've got to talk about the taxpayers here. >> all right. so i'm pretty sure -- i know it sounded like it was real polite but i'm pretty sure the gauntlet just got thrown down right here in nerdland. when we come back i'm going to let scot respond to the taxpayers of wisconsin and how they're feeling about mr. walker.

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as he continues to craft his image ahead of an expected presidential bid, wisconsin governor scott walker is making sure he is seen in one very particular light. he is the guy who takes on organized labor and wins. on monday over the objections of labor unions governor walker signed the so-called right to work law, preventing unions from forcing private sector workers they represent to pay dues. walker's signature made wisconsin the 25th state with laws on the books that weaken unions by making it illegal for them to mandate dues from workers, even if the union negotiates on behalf of those workers. the move is part of a long trending impacting organized labor in this country. in 1970 29% of americans lived in so-called right to work states. today, 48% of americans do. so, scot my friend does this make the taxpayers of wisconsin happy? >> well the taxpayers of

wisconsin right now have a $2 billion budget deficit, courtesy of scott walker and his tax cuts for the rich. what's most radical, we talk about his attacks on labor, his attacks on women, his attacks on voting. what's most radical is his attack on public education. wisconsin had the best public schools in the united states of america and we have seen the most radical privatization of those public schools of anywhere in the country. and it has been an utter and abject failure. a lot of it happens bhauz the money behind scott walker wants the privatization of education and i think that's a huge thing. >> i'm with you. i will stand up and cheer and scream and say all those same words about public education. but i'll be running around my own party leadership. the one thing that's most distressing to me on privatization is the extent to which democrats, at least nationally, are largely on the same bandwagon of vouchers of privatization, of charters, and so i guess i'm wondering the

extent to that then can be a vector for politics. >> i think what it is is we are finding -- you have to find some real solutions. it's as simple as that. we have an economy in wisconsin that is not working for a lot of the middle class and those in need. you know, we've had, what 5 straight years of private sector job growth in america? wisconsin is near dead last in the midwest in job creation. the thing that's interesting with walker and this 2016 dynamic, it's not like the republicans can attack him because he has run the republican playbook. depressing wages, attacking labor, gutting public education, tax cuts for the rich and corporations and it has not worked, it's been an abject failure. >> so this is interesting to me. this question of very very different perspectives on what the same policy has done right? and i presume that if ie went and talked to the people of wisconsin that i'd get on the one hand we had in 2011 this enormous recall effort but walker survives the recall. so what do we say is the opinion of the taxpayers of wisconsin?

clearly it's split, right? there's an active social movement. there's also the willingness to reelect him, right? and even on this question of key indicators whether or not what is happening there is good economically or bad, it's still a matter and part of opinion, isn't it? >> well it's not quite a part of opinion it's a highly politicized issue so there are lots of people on both sides saying one thing or another. but in fact according to at least one study in 2011 wages are lower and unemployment is higher in right to work states. >> that seems kind of -- well fewer people work and work for fewer. >> that's part of the actual point, though of the argument that you'll get from a legislator who's reading from the alex playbook trying to bring the right to work for less. if you make the cost of labor cheaper, that will attract more employers from out of state. it's really difficult when you hear conserves boast oh no

this is not going to affect wages and make the same exact argument which is the basis for bringing right to work to their state. fundamentally, this is a question of who matters in the economy, right? what is your model for how you're going to order your economic decisions. and if you think that the biggest problem in this country is that people who work for a living are making too much and have too many benefits then yes, you should definitely wanting to have a union-busting lobby come into your state. >> well it's interesting. lots of great discussion points. so our think tank and numerous other think tanks have looked and said it's very difficult to dising agate the right to work and the macro political picture but in general businesses have told us anecdotally and in 2012 indiana passed right to work. 107 businesses have explicitly said because of right to work we are going to come to your state and stay in your state and that's $3 billion worth of economic growth.

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businesses. joining us now from seattle is david jones, who owns two subway franchises in seattle but is not part of this lawsuit. so, david, talk to me a little bit. what is it that ordinary folks don't understanding about the nature of franchises from your perspective that makes this current law kind of unfair? >> well franchises live off the bottom line like all small businesses, and then we pay a royalty to the corporation. so in our case with subways, we actually have lower volumes than the average restaurant volume in the united states which is 790,000 a restaurant we actually have lower than that. the 4% is the average margin for restaurants. and so a subway restaurant when you do the minimum wage we're under just as tough of a situation trying to come up with the money to pay for the minimum wage increase as everybody else. if you put us on different scales and part of the restaurant industry has seven years while we only have three years, it means that we have to

do things like raise prices sooner and then it becomes uncompetitive marketplace on the streets where we're at. so in my case i have two subways with six competitors on one and eight competitors on another street and in case it's less than 50% are franchisees and the rest of small business so my prices have to be different than theirs which makes it different for me. >> i actually have some sympathy to the franchise argument and this idea that you're looking at subway or mcdonald's or holiday inn and you think it's a big company but it's actually a franchise. let me ask this isn't that really the problem of the relationship between the franchises and these multi billion dollar global companies? shouldn't they be restructuring in a way that provides for more fair relationship between you and the parent company rather than kind of balancing this on the back of low wage workers? >> i don't think that -- i don't think that's the issue. i know that's a sound bite right

now, but that's not the issue. the issue is that if we have to increase prices like all businesses will, we will ending up -- even if we lose customers and end up increasing our business by, let's say, 1% which isn't enough then the company actually makes more money and the franchisee who lives off the bottom line will make less money because they didn't get their prices up enough to help pay for the whole minimum wage situation. so going after the corporation at all this is not an avenue to go after that. this is not the place to go after that. right now you're just affecting small business owners. >> so hold for me. i want to come out to the table and ask about that. help me to adjudicate that claim a little bit. i feel it. i feel the franchise like you know, you get a franchise, you're a small business owner, this is one of the ways that you make a profit. on the other hand we're talking about subway and mcdonald's and these huge companies. it does feel like they have just figured out a way to make this not about them even though it is. >> and the franchisees should

have some negotiating power to go to the big corporation and say, look can we negotiate somehow the fees that i'm paying you each month to offset the additional wages that i'm going to be paying people. overall, this could reward companies. i mean this is -- you know if the people selling you your happy meal are actually happier because they're making higher wages, then maybe you'll get more people coming into the restaurant and your numbers will be better. >> and not just happier, but we know healthier, right, when people actually can afford health insurance, when people aren't -- one of the things that happens, we've talked about taxpayers. taxpayers ending up subsidizing these massive corporations because people can't afford to buy food to have housing, and so we end up through taxpayer money supporting through section 8 money, through s.n.a.p. benefits these corporations. >> i want to bring in a better way of attacking poverty because minimum wage is kind of a

scatter shot approach. even the congressional budget office showed when you increase the minimum wage it was $10.10 they said 25% of that benefit would flow to people above the poverty line. >> but those people -- the poverty line is so low. like i guess -- that's precisely the group of people who got -- >> that's not the people who need it the most. >> you're right, it is not the poorest of the poor. >> i think a tax credit is much better targeted and -- >> i don't want to lose this because i think -- i think there's a way in which that's a red herring. it is not the poorest of the poor and that is true correct, it is not. it is about saying for people who work full time in the united states of america, the idea that you would still be living in such close proximity to poverty and particularly in all of these states that did not expand medicaid these are precisely

the families that are in that hole and in that gap. if you can't have unions and you can't have minimum wage i just don't know what it is we're going to do to lift people through work out of poverty. >> and i think it's really important to recognize that this benefit of raising the minimum wage to the levels that they are talking about in seattle are not just going to accrue to the workers, but also to the business owners and the local economy. this is a very -- a funding mental misunderstanding that people often have. we have to grow the economy from the middle out. and when people would go and shop, like scott walker go to kohl's people who go and shop have more money in their pockets, it stimulates consumer demand. now, there is the idea that franchise companies like subway and mcdonald's have more resources to draw on because it will take a while for the economy to grow and get that boost from more spending power in the pockets of working class people in seattle. but fundamentally, this is going to be good for the economy

overall. >> so, mr. jones, if you had five years instead of three or six years instead of three, would that make the difference? >> i don't -- you know what the ifa is not suing for that reason. if i had three years or five years or seven years, i would adapt to all of those. we want an even playing field. we want the minimum wage to be the same for everybody at the same time. when you make it uneven then it is unfair and it makes me struggle as a business owner. so we're not against the minimum wage, we're against the timetables being not the same. >> well let's talk about this lawsuit because i think it's very interesting. the plaintiffs the international franchise association, represents both the franchisors and the franchisees and the idea is that there was no rational basis that the city could have had for treating subway which subway employers, which have recently found to be joint employers, fast food joint employers, with a mom and pop shop that doesn't have a massive

corporation to draw resources from to get advertising revenue from to get the business models, the profit models. all of that comes from a massive corporation. >> so the point here is that fairness may not actually be blindness -- that sometimes fairness looks a little different than perfect equity. thank you to david jones, also heather and john will be back in our next hour. i want to say thank you to scot ross and carrie sheffield. the apple watch is almost pous and it's going to deliver a constant flow right to your wrist. are we in the too much information age? there's more nerdland at the top of the hour. well, a mortgage shouldn't be a problem your credit is in pretty good shape. >>pretty good? i know i have a 798 fico score thanks to the tools and help on experian.com. kaboom... well, i just have a few other questions. >>chuck, the only other question you need to ask is, "what else can you do for me?" i'll just take a water... get your credit swagger on.

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watch, where you can spend anywhere from $349 to $17,000 on the watch, which apple is calling its most personal device yet. >> right from your wrist you can receive messages. and it alerts you by tapping your wrist so you can read and respond to that message instantly if you want. >> in addition to telling time the watch lets you sending and receive messages get directions, check your flight track your workouts monitor your heart rate. you get the idea. there are a lot of data that you can create and consume right there on your wrist. okay, nerdland aside here ever heard of moore's law? it's a computing term coined by co-founder of intel which says standard computer processing power doubles every two years. but human brain's capacity does not grow at a similar rate. if we're lucky, our biological ability to process information may grow 1% to 1.5% a year and that's not stopping us from trying to consume and make sense

of the ever-increasing data available to us. the latest nielsen numbers find the average adult is plugged in over 11 hours a day, sometimes while trying to make live tv. that's 11 hours in front of our smartphones and computers and radios and other gaming devices. you'll finding the social media users digests 285 pieces of content each day. the average smartphone owner reaches for that device 150 times a day. most folks are only awake 16 to 18 hours. this means many of us are swimming or maybe drowning in daily electronic information. and as apple's ceo, tim cook points out, the opportunities to encounter data are just pro lif rating. . >> you can connect to social media, and you can keep track of the daily news right at the moment it happens, because now it's on your wrist, not in your pocket or your pocketbook. >> so when does all this

information -- oh that just happened. right. when does it all become too much? joining me now, maggie jackson, author of "distracted." heather mcghee, president of demos. jiem john simons and manush who is host of the new tech city podcast. let's start with this really incredible week-long series around boredom that has been going on. >> yeah. so what we did is asked people to take part in a one-week challenge and we every day gave them something to do with their phone in the hopes that it would actually let them be a little bit bored in their life. it occurred to me a few months ago, i'm never bored anymore, ever. >> i haven't been bored since '98. >> for me since 2007 which is

when the smartphone came out. filling our faces with that screen has become a reflex for so many of us. so the idea was every day try something and see if that maybe sparks what's called the default mode. this is a network of your brain where you start to do some of your most important thinking. you get bored, your body is not doing anything but then your brain goes and ait does this mind wandering and it does some of its most original thinking then. you can't do that if you're looking at your phone. so we did this for a week. we had about 20,000 people sign up. and also half of them shared their data with us so we actually knew how often they were picking up their phone and checking it how many hours a day, and it's hours a day that they were spending on it. we wanted to see at the end of the week did you have a big idea? did you maybe think of a way to help your kid do homework without crying or did you solve an issue that you were having at work. we got such incredible responses. 70% of people who signed up said they were doing it because they

wanted to think more and that's what they got. >> i am such a push me pull me on this one. i guess i wonder is this just like an overreaction. everything changes as a result of technology and information. you can get on trains and then you can get in cars and then you can get on flights. i mean the world shifts as our technological capacity shifts. we take in more information and now the world is not the way it was before but it doesn't mean it's worse, it's different than it was before. >> melissa, what's interesting is i don't have a sense of boredom in those moments. i have a sense of guilt. like when i'm on my morning commute and i'm just sort of staring out the window looking, i feel guilty that i'm not absorbing some information that would be like pertinent to my job. >> and what a shame that you feel guilty about that because maybe you're doing something super important. i think we're not saying yes, technology is bad or something like that. what i think we're saying is it's part of our lives. just like we eat healthy food we need to use our technology

purposefully and use it helpfully. >> it's a part of technology that's off kilter. i think it's ironic that the connectivity that we have today is actually leading to fragmentation. the number of e-mails is ratcheting up 15% a year. 70% of e-mails are answered opened in six seconds. so what we're doing is fragmenting our time we're fragmenting our work and that has enormous costs. fragmentation, for instance multi tasking. one of the most dramatic studies in recent times came out of stanford and it compared the high multi taskers, all of us now, the jugglers with low multi taskers and the people who are doing it the most were doing it the most poorly. they were mired in information swamps of their own making. here's the key point, i think. they actually were unable or less able to tell what's relevant in their environment. so their inability to discern -- you know we're getting

mouthfuls, handfuls bucketfuls of information but the ability to discern what's important in your environment is really quantum. >> and it's that critical thinking that is what's really needed, right. it's what we're desperately trying to cultivate in young people. as a leader of an organization i think about this a lot. we had a productivity expert come in and train our staff about a couple of months ago and he was saying exactly this. he was saying a, designate times to check your e-mail. which is a crazy thought to most of us. isn't the point that you can check it every time an e-mail comes in? no, not at all. there should be time when you're actually just engaging doing sort of thinking, writing, researching, and then there should be a time when you check your e-mail and that should be in your calendar because otherwise you're constantly distracted from doing critical thinking. >> in the land of organizations, i get it but is it worse than those meetings where you are sitting in a meeting with actual humans who you are looking at but they go on and on and

thinking, man, i could be answering my e-mails right now. i guess it seems to me that there might be bad workplace practices and that these are particular workplace practices we're talking about at a certain strat um. this is not -- it's actually not all of us right. there's a clear class question here in part about what kinds of jobs these are. but within that context, isn't it just that we have bad work places in a broader sense. >> i'm glad you're bringing that up because the expectations have changed, it seems. if you're a professional, it's expected that your waking hours belong to me if i'm your boss and you should be checking e-mail at all times and keeping pace with the conversations that are going on between the managers and people in your workplace taught. >> but i think we're starting to see a backlash to that. i think we're starting to see -- actually i've had people say if i see you're answering my e-mail on a sunday morning at 6:00 like okay that's your downtime and you're going to be a better worker with better ideas and

more energy on a monday morning if that is what you're doing. i think we're going to start to see more bosses say that. >> well let me tell you, they're not going to say that in nerdland. y'all better answer the e-mails at 6:00 on sunday because we've got a show at 10:00. in the too much information age, is there ever such a thing as me time anymore? we're staying on this topic when we come back. felt trapped in that i was investing in a health care industry that i didn't believe in. for years i really struggled with this idea that people were making money off my illness and i wanted to do something different and so i finally made that change. [thunder and rain] [thunder and rain] [thunder and rain]

according to statistics almost half of us won't even go into our bedrooms without our phones, and it could mean we are always available to other folks. that can be great when your friend texts to say that she's running late for dinner. it can be bad when your boss e-mails during that dinner. 62% of workers say they frequently feel pressure from a boss to respond to work e-mails on nights and weekends and those e-mail sessions add up. almost 60% of managers with a

smartphone say they are connected to work between 13 and 18 hours a day. you might expect those employees who say they spend most of their time reading and responding to e-mails after hours might also be, you know feeling the most stress. but although that's true this may seem almost counter intuitive. those same workers also say they're more likely to be thriving in their personal lives. so what's going on here? is it truly possible that being connected to work at all times can simultaneously make us feel more stressed and make us feel like we're thriving in our lives? what do you think is going on with that? >> absolutely. we interpret productivity adds ticking things off the ajengdgendaagenda, as getting the clean inbox. productivity doesn't include creativity. there was a study that work workers away for five days. they did much more significant meta work. they were able to plan see the forest for the trees. other studies show creativity on high pressure time pressured days because of the technology

often drops 45%. and for days after that. so what we need to do is push back against this fragmentation and the speed by kind of yes, strategically chunking the work and also working together with bosses, with workers, you know it can't be an individual responsibility and experiment. >> that's part of what i wanted to push on a little bit. it can't just be that you make a decision not to engage in e-mail for some period of time in part because the stress -- part of it is guilt, but the other part is even as i'm trying to work on some creative task it's almost like i can hear them piling up in the inbox next to me and at some point i'll have to sit and spend a day. or auto respond. if you send an e-mail between now and 6:00 it will be deleted and then we'll start again. an individual can't fix this. this does seem like we have to know a structural workplace change. >> and there was a very important study out of boston among management consultants, some of the most tech and

work-addicted, travel-addicted in the world and they aim to just to take one evening off a week at the beginning. well finally the experiment rolled out, you know productivity was up learning and development was up job satisfaction was up. it took the team getting together and covering for each other. it took leadership buy-in and it took very much structures and architectures. you know, language. we need to be talking not just about disconnecting on or off, we need to be creating languages where our children can get, you know subtly and discernment in and around disconnection. you need to do that tough term paper. well, turn everything off. maybe you're just studying that vocabulary quiz you know it like anything. you know play something, get involved with multiple streams. we need gradations. >> i'm thinking about my other job that i have which is a mother and that's part of the reason why i do have it with me. one of the reasons why i can be a working mother is because i

have my phone, right? and so maybe at work like i'm in a meeting and, yes, i want to turn it off and be fully present but i sent my kids to school with maybe a little bit of a runny nose so i'm like nervous skpangtly checking. i think part of it also is us parents getting comfortable with like they're at school they're with professionals, you're going to be okay if you're not constantly -- there seems to be this societal thing not just at work but also as parents, as families being available. >> i guess part of what i'd be interested in then is thinking about -- this is the other half of what we've been talking about. we've been talking about low wage workers and minimum wage and workplace justice question. if you're talking about folks being 13 and 18 hours available, even in management and professional positions, even if you're paid well is that still a workplace justice issue. if you're being paid with the presumption that you're working 8 to 10 hours a day but you're actually working 13 to 18 to 20 have we actually created a situation where higher productivity, flat wages and

basically american corporations and global corporations benefitting from that while our own households are suffering. >> but are we benefiting? the chief economist of the bank of england gave a speech last month saying he's concerned that productivity is going to drop because when we do less thinking, we do less innovating we do less big idea generating. so yeah i can answer 20 e-mails in a half an hour but then maybe i won't come up with the key idea that will take my team to the next level, right? it's quality, not necessarily quantity. i think we're not there yet in terms of valuing that. >> in terms of cognitive science, there's actually as we might know, the quick minding and the slow mind. what we're doing and what machines do better are automatic quick, clear-cut thinking which is the leap to conclusion intuitive self. the quick minding has the iq of a chimpanzee. we're shoveling aside one side of ourselves, which is the more messy, slow skeptical ability to walk around the problem.

so i think that's where this new idea of productivity has to come in. >> also i mean this creates a really good sort of business opportunity for technologists. we have all kinds of algorithms that figure out what kind of table cloth you want to buy for your home. there should be somebody who comes up with an app that sorts through your e-mail and tells you which ones are the most important to answer. >> e-mails are the worst. >> sifting through all the e-mails and figuring out which ones are important and which are worth passing by. >> if we're in this information-rich environment, for example, my social media, so facebook has an al go rhythm where it decides what posts i should be seeing or what news stories i could get first. precisely that filter can create the kinds of ideological or personal sort of homogeneous

environments that creativity is not only about boredom, it's also about encountering some new thing that i wouldn't have otherwise have encountered. and if my devices are telling me, oh this is what you like so it's what you'll keep liking instead of saying try some broccoli instead of asparagus today. >> i'll never forget the time eric schmidt said when the smartphone pretty much came in people don't want it just to be connected, they want it to tell them what to do. i'll never forget those words. and that's -- you know i think we're outsourcing our brains increasingly to the machines. that's why we have to take a step back and even for a few minutes think about the task ahead. that promotes creativity. >> i would argue if i had some kind of algorithm like that i would have more time to do my own investigations and to stare out the window when i'm on my hour-long commute and not feel guilty. >> i keep thinking there's something in the world that's going to happen and i'm going to have more time and somehow i

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health supports your heart and body, so you stay active and strong. ensure. take life in. i admit it i use technology a lot in my parenting. after school i wait for my 13-year-old to text me when practice is over and when i need to pick her up. when i'm at work and wondering how my 1-year-old daughter is doing, i can check my daily connect app where her child care provider uploads information about what she's eating how long she napped. even pictures from music class. i love that my baby monitor connects via wi-fi to my phone. i can see when a.j. wakes up in the middle of the night and demands that daddy comes and gets her. and yes, sometimes i hand my ipad over to my 1-year-old. what can i say, she likes green eggs and ham. but i was just a little bit

concerned the day that i found she put daddy to pedestrian andbed and she was getting in her computer time. i want to welcome the director of the bernard college center for toddler development and author of "how toddlers thrive what parents can do from ages 2 to 5 to plant the seeds of lifelong success." you said that really our technology-based concerns when raising young children, but i really use technology in my parenting. >> we all do. it's a different era than we've ever lived in. because there's so much technology, it distracts us all the time. young children need us. they don't need us interacting or hovering but they need that sense of are you there for me mommy, daddy? yeah, i'm here for you. if you're cooking dinner and your up with-year-old -- 1-year-old calls or comes over you can easily give her a glance or a smile but when you're doing this and

you're attached to your phone, we're gone. >> let me ask this though. i worry about the standards for 21st century parenting, which strike me both as pretty oppressive particularly for women and working women and also not in line with what most of human parenting was, right. for most of human parenting, toddler person is at the house and you are doing whatever with the cows in the wherever and if toddler is having feeling about it, so what because you're with the cows and the wherever. then you come home and toddler person iokayis okay. so is there a standard of patient parenting that is let me interact with you at all moments, which may actually not be what they need for human development. >> i couldn't agree more. this is the nuance that is difficult for all of us to achieve. they need us they need to know we're available. when your toddler calls from the next room and says, mommy, and you say yeah that's often all they need just to know that you're there. but when you're tied to your phone or your computer none of us really hear.

we're looking down and completely tied in which is different than being in the cows or being in the kitchen. we always said benign neglect. be there, but don't hover. this is very different. this is not benign neglect, this is rejection. kids report they feel that way. there was a study out recently that said children feel rejected, they feel their parents don't want them and don't care why because we're so drawn in by this thing in our hand it's as if we're not there. >> it's true that your children feel that if you have another child and that's not another reason not to have another child. bring home a little brother or sister and see how rejected they feel. >> i think the other difference is i like the farm analogy actually. it's one thing if you're gone. if you're at work you're at work. but we think we're with them when we're home and they feel like you're not with me. so it's much harder to draw these lines. we're a 24/7 world. we have to be much more mindful and thoughtful about if i'm

home am i home with my kids? am i cooking dinner am i eating with them? what are the times that i'm going to say that i have to go in my home office or starbucks or wherever you go to do my work. so lines need to be more clear. >> and again on this i think on this economic justice question that we've been talking about, so even if that is my personal preference as a parent even if i want to be engaged and plugged into my kid in that way, if the expectation is that you will respond to n ae-mail at 6:30 or at 7:00 or 7:30 and you will respond thought fully and it will be spelled accurately, then engaging with a short person might be relatively difficult to do. >> really really hard. and i think the other thing we don't talk about is sometimes being with toddlers is really boring. >> you want to talk about the few times you are bored? >> so maybe that incoming e-mail is kind of welcome because you're like my brain needs something. but i wonder sometimes maybe when we were out with the cows we were busy and it wasn't

boring and so now this idea that we're with our children and we're on the -- >> too much. >> that's a kind of boring. maybe you should be vacuuming and having them help you. maybe that's a better idea. for me i wrote a piece years ago when i first got my smartphone saying how happy i was that i could be with my kids and keep an eye on work and go back and forth. i am over it right? if i'm at work i want to be there and do it right. when i'm with my kids i want to do that right. right now i feel like i'll failing everyone. >> no matter what you're succeed and failing -- but i also wonder how that deals with the expectation of what work and family life are to be. what it means to be a good or productive parent and good or productive worker. standards that can't connected to human realities but also each individual person. we were talking about you can't just decide to -- or you can, of course you can. you can decide to redefine it. but there will be economic

consequences as a result. you can decide that i'm not engaging the world in this particular way, but then you may also be deciding to live without your job that provides for you. >> exactly. we are very much in a place where a lot of forces other than my own sense of well-being are dictating the realities of our workplace and the realities of our economy. and so it does come down to when this is -- i think it's great that you started with steve jobs. i'm sorry, with the apple watch. >> he's still with us. tim cook transcending even life, yes. >> that's going to change everything and that wasn't necessarily because people said you know what i don't have enough access to information and it takes too long for me to get this out of my purse or from my pocket. i mean i really don't think that's where that was driven from, but it was driven from as you said the processors are getting more powerful and smaller and it will have an effect on our lives. >> thank you to tovah klein and

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political rancor. how can that be? the voting rights act was one of the crowning achievements of our democracy. the result of republican and democratic efforts. if we want to honor this day, let that hundred go back to washington and gather 400 more and together pledge to make it their mission to restore that law this year. that's how we honor those on this bridge. >> and with those words, with his own symbolic so jurn across the edmund pettus bridge and with the tens of thousands who followed the path of the original foot soldiers selma once again called the nation to a moral reckoning and to political action to protect the vote. apparently not everyone was listening, which is why my letter of the week is going to ohio secretary of state john husted. dear secretary husted on thursday, just four days after the massive commemorations and

demonstrations in selma, you announced that you had identified 145 registered voters in your state who are not u.s. citizens and said quote, no amount of voter fraud is acceptable. as the state's chief elections officer, it is my responsibility to maintain our voter rolls and ensure only those who are eligible are participating in our elections. every vote matters. i'm thinking you might be confused about what people in selma were calling for last week. you see, protecting the vote is not about pouring limited state resources into identifying a voter fraud problem that nearly everyone agrees is actually not much of a problem. since you took office in 2011 you have been on a personal mission to identify fraudulent voting in your state, and you've had a pretty hard time finding it. back in 2013 your own investigation found that in 2012 in that election just 17 noncitizens voted in your state. 17. yes, the vote is precious.

and each and every one matters. but there are more than 7 million registered voters in ohio. 7 million voters. 17 noncitizens voted. 7 million. 17. with numbers like these, even you were forced to admit, quote, it's rare. but john you are not deterred by the utter irrelevance of this issue, are you? instead, you have continued to ring the false alarm as loudly as you can. in february you sent a letter to the president claiming that his executive action on immigration would lead to a flood of noncitizens voting in your state's elections. actually, no. i mean surely as secretary of state you already know that the very first question on the ohio registration form is "are you a u.s. citizen." see it? even the font is bold. and the penalties for lying are pretty stiff. you see right there on the front of the registration it's all bold and caps. it's a fifth degree felony to

lie. so no there's not likely to be a massive demand for registration forms from noncitizens. do you know what there is significant demanding for among the legitimate voters in your state? early voting. and early voting is precisely what you and governor kassich repeatedly targeted in the months leading up to the 2014 election. you made multiple efforts to cut hours and whole days particularly sundays, from ohio's early voting. and cutting early voting is not about fraud protection it's just about making it harder for some people to vote and creating more of those dramatic and discouraging lines at the ohio polls. so mr. husted maybe you were busy last weekend and did not get to hear what congressman john lewis had to say 50 years after being brutalized on the edmund pettus bridge as he demonstrated for voting rights. let me give you another chance to hear him.

>> we come to selma to be renewed. we come to be inspired, we come to be reminded that we must do the work that justice and equality calls us to do. >> mr. husted just a little tip. when they write the history books, you want to be one of the guys on the side of john lewis. sincerely, melissa. minnesota winters are brutal it's tough being cooped up it gets a little stale. when dad opens up the window what's the first thing he does? the tobin stance spring is in the air and pollen, dog hair... the sunshine looks like fairy dust. (doorbell) whoa! what's this? swiffer sweeper! swiffer dusters! removes up to 70% of dust and allergens. stays on there like glue wow! look at that! ew! the tobin stance! that is totally what it is!

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important facets are the stories from transgendered people featured in the series. stories from an army executive, from couples, from activists. stories from students like hannah simpson, a 30-year-old medical student living in harlem. in our interview with refinery 29 hannah talks about various aspects of her day-to-day life, ranging from her typical morning schedule to the way she discusses gender identity with the people in her life. here is part of hannah's story. >> my name is hannah. i'm 30 years old, i live in harlem and i'm a medical student. i think my life is pretty ordinary. i think finding your identity is a universal thing and i think introducing yourself again and again to people is a universal thing. i used to put on like full faces of makeup. this is the most makeup i almost ever do. the laser hair removal helps a lot and the hormones obviously, coming into yourself and looking more typical for a female.

the way i explain this to people. sometimes i give them a pen and say would you write your name but with the other hand than you usually do. they look at me and say that's kind of difficult. i said well how long did it take you to realize that wasn't working for you. and they'll say not that long at all. i'll say how do you know it's the wrong thing. and they'll say i just know. and i'll say exactly. that's the best way that i can explain this part of my identity. it's been an intrinsic to me as any other part of myself. it's not a fettish, it's not a phase, it's simply what is. you don't actually think about when you're starting it or even as you're going through it that there's so much more to be gained from doing it than there is to be lost. this is my first purse from when i started going out as a female just a little something i worked up the courage to buy at a thrift shop and i've been using

it ever since. i still do. this is probably 8 to 10 years worth of going out as a woman. when i'm making up in the morning, i don't have the mental overhead that i did of here's another day that i feel like a girl yet i'm going out as a guy. now it's i get up in the morning and i say i feel like a girl how do i make myself look a little bit better as a girl. that's what every other girl says. >> joining me now is vice president of editorial strategy at refinery 29. and joining us from san francisco is hannah simpson, who was featured in the refinery 29 piece, you just saw a bit of it. hannah, thank you for being here with us. i love the metaphor the story that you tell about writing with the nondominant hand. how did you come to that as a way of talking about gender identity in this way? >> well thank you for having me melissa. it's an honor and humbling to be here. i think of it as an example of

just something that there happens to be a disproportionate number of people in the population that has either a right handedness to a left-handedness and even though it's not equal, we don't have to necessarily see them as different and we don't have to see them as one is less than the other. so this to me seemed to be a natural extension. some people like to take it further and say i'm a little bit of each, left or rnkdight-handed or i'm neither. i say the analogy can go as far as you want to with this. not everyone has to be left-handed or right-handed either. >> it's such a useful way because it's one of the things we know about ourselves and can't describe or explain it to others, but that sense of self knowledge, which i think is important. hold for us don't go away. why refinery 29 doing this? why in this space is it relevant to be talking about trans america? >> this is such an important issue for every human being out there but we're specifically

looking at what it's like to be a transgender millennial. it's something we've been writing about for a long time. these are the voices and faces we've been reflecting out in the world for a while now. for us our mission is sort of twofold to our reader. it's about educating them and that's really why there's a frequently asked questions portion. that's why we're looking at liveability across all 50 states but it's also about reflecting the voices of our audience back out and we consider the trans community to be part of that audience so we want to tell their stories and tell them now. >> you just said something that was interesting. hannah, that language of the liveability across american states, the liveability of various communities, i think that america is coming along to an understanding of an agenda political agenda that is -- i don't mean that in a negative way, around lesbian and gay rights and the ways in which marriage and housing and

employment are kind of central questions. i think we're a little farther behind, still coming forward in an understanding about liveability issues associated with trans communities. so help us to understand a little bit those kind of complexities of microaggressions and also just kind of basic day-to-day liveability issues that are faced. >> those are great questions and i think you're right there's a lot to be discussed and a lot more to work on. it really goes down to the idea that you are changing every aspect of your identity and there is this idea that having part of it lingering from before can be a stigma or it can be a consideration when people are looking at you and people want to not make that part of the conversation. to a certain extent that's where things are heading to allow us to do that and to get on with our lives and to assert ourselves. microaggressions i don't like to think about, but rather i like to think about how can i bring people into this with me in

whatever capacity and need they need to be. for example, my family's tradition is going out to breakfast together. and three generations of us usually. at the table my grandfather and my father would always say another coffee for him, even as i still -- started to present as female. and so i said first to my grandfather, i said, grandpa, i'm really happy that you've been supportive, please just keep an eye on your pronouns. he gave me a stern expression and said okay i'll do my best. he's been fantastic ever since. i said the same thing to my father. i said dad, please keep an eye on your pronouns. he gave me the same stern expression and said what's a pronoun? so, of course i explained it and he's been fantastic too. i think i caught him off guard, but it's more an issue of how can you bring people into the fold than how can you say what's going against the situation. that requires just being out like this and talking to people and learning more every day and teaching more every day.

>> hannah that is -- that's an extraordinary story. let me ask you, when you heard -- or did you hear in the state of the union president obama actually said transamericans. he sort of name checked it in a way i don't think any other president in an official capacity like that has ever done. did that mean something to you? >> well i think it's a starting point. like so many people would say. it's not now just what you do you campaign on and what do you say in the state of the union, as what is your policy moving forward. there are still so many places where the law just doesn't exist yet or the law is outdated for what trans people need to do and that's not just based on us getting on with our lives, that's based on the evolution of the science behind who and what we are and the idea that this already has been taken away from the stigma of being a disorder. that's settled science at this point. this already has been proven that people who do this are not crazy in any way, that they're

just another variant of humanity, and that's based on being -- us all being created in a big and beautiful image of god that's not just limited to two. >> hannah simpson in san francisco thank you for joining us. and for giving me a great moment this morning. na, we have got to check refinery 21 out. excuse me. refinally 29! you got to check it out. up next, the words that inspired president obama on this day nin in 1965. while you're driving. and, right now, you can get a one-thousand-dollar volkswagen credit bonus on jetta models. seriously, pinch me. it's not a dream. ow! it's the volkswagen stop dreaming, start driving event. stop dreaming, and test-drive one today. hurry in and you can get 0% apr plus a $1000 volkswagen credit bonus on 2015 jetta and passat models. ♪ turn around ♪ ♪ every now and then

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it clear without equivocation where he stood. >> it is wrong, deadly wrong to deny any of your fellow americans the right to vote in this country. >> johnson had planned to wait to propose a voting rights bill fearing congress would not be receptive to another measure so soon after the civil rights act of 1964 but the violence on the edmund pettis bridge recognized this. more than 70 million television viewers turned in to hear johnson as he spoke of the dignity of man and the destiny of democracy. he called on congress to pass a bill providing federal protection for the right to vote and he called on the country to embrace equal access to the ballot as not just a goal of one race, but the promise of a nation. before the speech as president johnson headed to capitol hill he passed by civil rights protesters, many of them still

quite skeptical of what he would say and some singing the civil rights anthem "we shall overcome." minutes later their refrain and cause would be echoed by that president on the moment that would move many to tears, including dr. martin luther king jr. >> their cause must be our cause too, because it's not just negroes, but really it's all of us who must overcome the crippling legacy of bigotry and injustice, and we shall overcome. >> fifty years after that speech laying the grorkundwork of the civil rights act of 1965 has

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