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about here. first of all, something that may have happened that could put a stop in the cascading set of events that we've seen within the last five or six days that has seen tension grow day after day. what do you make of what was released just this afternoon there in st. louis, missouri. >> well, like you said, we are receiving a lot of information, we are learning a lot of new details right now, including that williams was arrested last night around 10:30. as you mentioned, he's facing numerous charges and authorities say he has acknowledged that he did fire those shots from a vehicle. now, here is where it gets more complex. he has alleged so far to officials that this may have been part of a dispute unrelated to the protests and that he may not have been firing at the police officers. they stress this is an ongoing investigation, and that they are not confirming that, in fact, was the case. he was not aiming at officers, and that he -- and this was not
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part of the protests or part of the separate dispute with some individuals. they do say they have recovered a handgun that matches the shells recovered at the scene. and interestingly, they do say that this arrest was made based on tips from the public. they say this is key in moving ferguson forward. getting the community involvement and asking people to come forward and reveal what they know. they are still asking for witnesses to come forward and turn over any video they have of the scene, like they said, still an ongoing investigation. but right now, one person arrested, 20-year-old jeffrey williams for allegedly firing those shots, striking two police officers thursday night. they continue, thursday morning, rather. they continue to recover. they have been notified of his arrest and authorities say they are doing better in their recovery. back to you. >> you know, as we were listening to some of the details here. they're saying as you're noting, as a result of the public calling in and giving them details. and that he was at one point,
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the suspect is, at one point part of the demonstrating group. and it was towards the end of that arc. but evidently, he'd then moved, the suspect did, into a situation where he used a handgun at a distance. at least it was estimated, right? early on it was across the street or a good distance away from where the officers were. and i guess on the ground as they were putting together all this information, tell us about the lead-up until today in terms of what they were saying and how they were going about it, who was involved in the details that they were trying to bring in to get to this outcome they have today. >> yeah. very complex investigation. we p found out that he was actually not arrested today but yesterday. so on day three of this investigation. and authorities had played their cards really close to the vest up until today. they had not released a lot of
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information other than they were pretty confident they knew where those shots at come from. any possible motive. or if this person was tied into those demonstrators. so now a lot more information today. this information initially coming out via twitter that an arrest had been made calling to this press conference where they revealed the additional details. we're going to learn more about how that investigation played out. right now, it is interesting to note that they are crediting the public with this arrest. and they say once the arrest was made, williams did acknowledge that he fired those shots from inside a car striking two officers. >> very specific robert mccullough was that he acknowledged that he did fire those shots. he did not use any stronger verb there or any more specific verb other than to say he acknowledged to shooting. and, again, the next steps as indicated, they're trying to determine as though they do believe it's only this one
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suspect involved that possibly are there others? and that's what they're going to look at right now. and, again, reaching out to the public where they have got lots of information so far to get to the point where they're at today. sara live on the ground for us there in st. louis. listening to robert mccullough, the prosecuting attorney. thank you for keeping an eye on that. let's get over to missouri state senator. so, senator, i think what might be heartening to many as john belmar, the chief of police was saying, is that it was the public. and he was basically embracing the process. saying, this is the way it's supposed to be. we're supposed to be working together with those that we serve and those that we serve are supposed to be working with us as we try to protect them. and that must be a heartening development there, state senator. >> absolutely, it is. i have to tell you, there are two things we're dealing with right now, and we're on a collision course. proceeding august 9th of last year, we have already had a lot of violence in the st. louis area.
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and i don't think anyone who understands the problem with illegal guns on the street knows that violence isn't stopped. we have to deal with that. but, unfortunately, there are some people who are out there who want to mix this incident, which is isolated to the protest and that should not happen. we have had a very long issue with violence in the street, and the something that we've been trying to address with st. louis county police officers for years now. and so we're going to find out why is this person dealing in this manner at something so critical in time when it comes to bringing peace to communities that have been bullied by some police officers throughout the nation. these are two distinct situations that we're in right now. and should be judged that way, as well. >> march 15, here, state senator, is march 12th, the demonstrations, the shooting is
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when it happened. that is thursday early, early morning. march 4th is the federal report on the ferguson police officer. that is what we're looking at in terms of a time line that has brought us to today. when we have looked at the, shall we say, third round of cascading as i said earlier, demonstrations and conflict. do you think this arrest may change that rise in tension? will this hold it off, would you say? >> you know, actually, i think it will bring clarity to the situation. again, as i've said, we have had some situations dealing with gun violence for a very long time. i filed legislation about our gang violence that we had in the inner urban core. what is important right now is protesters who are peacefully demonstra demonstrating, isolate themselves, get away from this type of situation. they will not be welcoming anyone who intentionally wants to bring about violence.
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those are not the people that i know. those are not the people i've protested with. that's why this distinction needs to be made. anyone who intentionally goes to a protest while we are trying to reach a level of understanding that has not been reached, i think people will realize the need to demonstrate in a peaceful manner. but also, identify those people through self-policing who may not want the same kind of peace, the pathway to peace that others want. >> quickly, state senator, happy about the development today? >> i am very happy about it. again, we do need to go through the process, due process is very important in all of this. which has been taken out. and while i do not support nor condone anyone who is participating in violence, they still have do have a right to due process. and i'm glad those two police officers are at home with their families and safe and alive. >> thank you so much, state senator. as always for giving us your
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perspective there. i'd like now to move to faith jenkins, legal analyst. and as you and i were talking as we were watching the briefing. one of the revolutions that came out and, of course, we were talking about how they're working together. but also, the time frame. they did not have much information. they seem to have gotten the details and hope to get more. >> right. and after the shooting, president obama came out and talked about how the path to justice is one we must travel together. i think that's what you're seeing now happening in ferguson. the prosecuting attorney mccullough said a lot of people came out and gave information. that's how they help solve this and get this arrest in the case because people in the community, the same people out there protesting, these are not citizens who want police officers dead. they want peace. they want unification. they want after the release of this department of justice scathing report on the police department in ferguson. they want to see progress.
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and that community move forward. th that's why you have these people coming out h. they don't want to see this result. and one person who acts out in this violent way should not change the narrative of what needs to happen in that community. justice has to be served in his case, and justice has to be served in the case of those citizens. >> and it seemed, at least, from the chief of police there, john belmar as well as the prosecuting attorney. they were hopeful about what this development meant. appreciate your reporting as always. also joining us, if you're just joining us here on msnbc, we'll continue to watch the story developing out of ferguson, missouri. and, of course, this latest development, and that is the arrest of a 20-year-old jeffrey williams. a suspect in the shooting of two police officers on the ground. those two police officers, 41-year-old st. louis county officer as well as a 32-year-old officer shot in the arm as well as in the cheek. if we get more information on the suspect and the development of the arrest, we'll have it for you right here on msnbc. we'll return to regular programming right after this right here on msnbc.
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they watch closely analyzing his body language. >> someone innocent is going to act in a different manner. he was just self-absorbed and trying to figure out what is my next move going to be? >> after refusing to speak to police about his case, bila asked to see his girlfriend who previously provided authorities
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with a dna sample from the 3-year-old son. >> she comes in aware that it links her boyfriend to the murder as well as the sexual attacks on two female students from the university of nevada's reno campus. >> did you do this? did you? >> we're required to disguise her face and voice. despite his girlfriend's distress, glances at the wall where he believes detectives have hidden a microphone. >> he knows it's being recorded. and the defendant will call somebody and actually confess. >> did you? did you?
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>> i'm sure she was conflicted. she was horrified, yet, at the same time, i mean, they have a child together. she had at one point loved him and perhaps that day didn't know what to do. >> after his sexual assaults, detectives say he steals underwear from his victims. they also accuse him of strangling brianna with a pair of thong panties. >> your birthday. your birthday -- you'll probably never get it. >> mr. bila didn't always respond in a way that i could relate to.
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although thanksgiving is important, i'm not sure that's where my concerns would have been right then either. >> detective jenkins isn't the only one bewildered by his behavior. his partner is convinced the suspect qualifies as a true psychopath who has managed to keep his loved ones in the dark about his crimes. >> they want to have a sense of normalcy on this side and on this side, they want to have that deviant behavior. they literally have two separate lives. >> now is not the time. >> i was gonna shoot myself. >> what? what? why? >> i don't know. i love you.
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>> i think he's trying to manipulate her emotions. >> what is your problem? >> i don't know what my problem is. >> when he made that comment, it was almost like an admission. and he's acknowledging to her that there's just something fundamentally wrong with him. >> how is it that you're -- >> a killer. >> i don't know. >> pretty much asking some of the questions that we were going to ask during the interrogation. and he's given her probably the same response he's given us. >> i've said for a long time
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what i needed to say. and it doesn't matter. >> it does matter. >> it doesn't matter. >> and if i told you i did it, you'd still love me, be with me. what the [ bleep ] does it matter? do you need an attorney? yeah, that will work. that's going to work. [ bleep ]. >> of what? dna. >> he refutes the fact that dna evidence is useful. he kind of mocks the fact that his dna is found on this victim's body. he does a number of things that are simply contrary to being innocent. >> still, his girlfriend makes one more appeal for bila to explain how brianna denson went from sleeping on her friend's couch to having her body abandoned on a pile of trash in this lot.
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>> bila realizes his girlfriend, the one who furnished police with her son's dna has been unrelenting in the interrogation room is about to step out of his life. he shares a hug with her, along with a disclosure that seizes the investigator's attention. >> i'm sorry for everything i've done. i'm sorry for being a [ bleep ] up. >> that's powerful. that's as close as he comes, i believe, to actually accepting responsibility. for his actions. >> people say, well, he didn't actually confess to her. well, in fact, he did. >> i'm sorry for everything i've done.
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i'm sorry for everything i've done. >> november 25th, 2008. 26-year-old james bila apologizes one last time to his girlfriend in a reno police department interrogation room. she's been questioning him for close to a half an hour about his arrest for the murder of 19-year-old brianna denson and the sexual assaults of two female students from the university of nevada's reno campus. >> she goes over and over and over again, tell me if you did it. tell me, did you do this? and he never comes out and lets her know he didn't do it. >> bila and his girlfriend now go their separate ways.
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>> and that's when he starts having these conversations with the people who come by. and he's sitting there chitchatting with strangers about innocuous things. he's talking to some of the cops about are they salaried or hourly? about how much they make. he's just very calm. he's not crying. he's not distraught. he's just kind of there. >> in 2010, bi wila goes on tri for the sexual assault and murder of brianna denison as well as the other attacks. if convicted, he could face the death penalty. jurors are riveted by surveillance footage of brianna in a diner. just hours before she's kidnapped off a friend's couch and strangled with a pair of thong underwear. >> what was heart wrenching about it was -- is just the mundane nature of it. at one point, she just kind of
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yawns. everybody has kind of been in that situation. she was out, she was just going home. she was with her friends. i think that really had an effect on the jurors. >> but it's the exchange of the interrogation room between bila and his girlfriend that resinates loudest. >> tell me. please. >> i have to pee. >> she's legitimately trying everything possible to get the person that she loves to tell her what happened. and he ends the answer with saying, i've got to go pee. when i was talking to you about the psychopath part. i mean, there's no feelings in him. >> the fact that he's so dismissive about everything really gives the jury some great insight to him.
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>> how many more times can this guy confess during this thing? he's basically admitted half a dozen times or more that he is the killer. without actually coming out and saying that i am. >> to prove your innocence -- >> with what? >> dna. >> the dna evidence in this case was so statistically overwhelming. >> did you do this? >> the interview with the girlfriend was so emotionally powerful, that it affected the jury in a different way. >> on may 27th, 2010, a jury convicts bila of raping and strangling brianna denison and sexually assaulting the two other students. a week later he returns to court with his sentencing w. the
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exception of the tape from inside the interrogation room, this is the first opportunity the jurors have to hear bila speak. >> this is very difficult for me. i wanted to say i'm sorry. >> but rather than address the family of brianna directly, he despairs about his fractured relationship with his son. >> i won't see my son grow up and be a father to him. but i want you to know, this might not be the time or place, but i love you. >> that just kind of got back to the whole thing that he's so focused on himself that he's not realizing what he's supposed to be talking about. and i certainly don't think it helped him at all with jury deliberation as far as the penalty went. >> moments after he finishes, jurors hand down the ultimate penalty. death by lethal injection. bila appeals. this time, there's no girlfriend
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offering a lifeline. instead, she works on repairing her own life, heartened by the role she played in assisting the victims with her tenacious questions in the interrogation room. >> the exciting parts of law enforcement is sometimes it turns out so much better than you could have hoped for, and sometimes it doesn't turn out very well at all. so every case is a new opportunity. >> coming up -- >> a mother storms into the box to learn her son has confessed to murder. of the sugar in one regular can of soda. and this is a soda a day for a year. over an average adult lifetime, that's 221,314 cubes of sugar. but you can help change that with a simple choice.
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two officers as a protest was wrapping up outside of ferguson police headquarters early thursday morning. both expected to be okay. the prosecutor says it's possible williams was not aiming at the officers. but they're still investigating. we'll continue to follow the story for you right here upon msnbc. starkville, mississippi, may 12th, 2003. sharon clay bursts into the sheriff's office where deputies are taping their interrogation with her 13-year-old son tyler. i've been in here. >> in the south, we say, don't start any, don't be any.
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i don't start conflict, but i will stand up for myself and my children. >> tyler has come to the sheriff's department voluntarily. after his sister's husband joey is found dead at this house just west of town. >> you're telling the truth, right? they're not letting you say stuff you don't want to say? look at me. look at me. are you having problems? well, what's wrong? >> as with james bila, the camera keeps rolling while a loved one confronts a suspect inside the box. unlike bila, tyler has spoken to investigators at length confessing to joey's murder. a costly assertion he'd spend much of the next decade denying. >> in a matter of hours i went from being a 13-year-old to
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being an adult. i felt completely lost. >> it's a baffling scenario for the obedient kid. who attends bible baptist church and 5th street junior high school in west point, mississippi. >> i never had any problems with tyler. he was an honor student. he was in the gifted program. he played the trumpet in the band. >> tyler's parents are divorced. and sharon has full custody. he's also close with his half sister, christy, a daughter from his father's previous marriage. >> never really grew up around my dad. and my sister was the only person in my dad's entire family who ever really had anything to do with me. and i just thought she was the coolest person in the entire world. >> tyler regularly stays with christy and her husband joey. >> it was never a healthy relationship.
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>> joey blames christy for a relationship she had with his best friend, a romance that produced her youngest child. and even discusses it on the montel williams show. >> do you want to stay married, correct? >> yes. >> but you're going to make her pay? >> i'm going to remind her of it every moment i get. >> according to tyler, on the night of may 10th, 2003, he's sitting in the car outside his sister's home when he hears a loud noise. >> to me, it sounded like, you know, you take a textbook and you drop it on the floor, and you get that, you know, that pop, slam, slap, whatever you want to call it. and i didn't think anything of it. >> but tyler says christy soon shares a secret and a request. >> she was telling me, you know, that she killed him, that she did it because, you know, he was
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being mean to her. and that's when she started telling me i should take the blame for it because i was 13, nothing would happen to me. i'd never been sent to the principal's office much like anything like this. and i didn't know what trouble was to be honest. and i believed her. >> joey's brother eventually finds him shot once in the head with a .22 caliber rifle. police contact tyler's mother requesting an interview with the boy. >> i wasn't really scared about taking tyler over there because i was never told he was a suspect. i told them that they could talk to tyler as long as i was present. when they separated us is when the problems started. >> the deputies were reporting to the sheriff that he had to have been present around the time joey was killed. and the sheriff instructed the deputies that you need to get the mother out of the room.
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>> tyler never considers asking for an attorney and despite his arrangement with christy, he tells investigators he knows nothing about the crime. >> there's a deputy saying you did this, your sister told us you did this. and i'm thinking, what? >> they assumed that if they pressured him enough, he'd change his story and change the truth. but what he did was techange hi story to tell another lie to protect his sister. >> you give us this statement, you're telling the truth. we want you to tell it just like it happened. okay? okay? >> yes, sir. >> i think at that point, i felt stuck. if i couldn't exactly get up and leave, i was thinking, okay, i'm going to tell them what they want to hear and then i'm going home. and this is all over with. >> still, tyler is not ready to take the blame. >> i'm pretty much reading off the script in my mind. but then, i kind of chickened out.
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>> she put her hand on the trigger. >> in tyler's revised version of events, he and christy are equally responsible for the murder. >> she kind of squeezed my hand because we didn't think it'd work. >> can you show me what you mean? >> i had the gun like this. >> and i'm thinking, well, maybe if i say that i helped her do it, then she did half of it, i did half of it, then i still won't get in trouble because of how old i am and she won't get in much trouble because it wasn't just her. so i just kind of, you know, made things up as i went along. >> and i was sitting right there. >> okay. was she reaching around in front of you? >> she had her hand. it was in front of me. and i closed my eyes and it went
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off. >> seemed absurd to us to confess to a felony that you didn't commit. but it's not absurd to a 13-year-old child. last part of the brain to develop is the portion of the brain that deals with judgment. and children have no judgment. >> how do you know -- you said -- >> well, there was like -- i saw some blood. it was on a pillow, i guess. >> i thought i'd done a great job, as sad as that sounds. i really thought i had done my sister like the greatest service in the world. >> i might as well, you know, pay for what i've done. >> as tyler speaks, his mother remains in another section of the building. wondering why her son's interview is taking so long. >> i'm just sitting there waiting trying to find out where tyler's at. and so i start walking from door to door looking for tyler. >> i knew that there could only
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be one person knocking on that door. and that was my mom. i thought that i'm really in trouble now. i am in trouble because mom's going to know that i've told a lie. >> i mean -- >> i think at first, i honestly didn't realize whether she was just talking to them or whether that was directed at all of us. it scared me. >> but will his mother's fervor be enough to save tyler from his own words? >> what did y'all do? oh, god, can you stop him? 's ney superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue...
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the sheriff's department. and your name is tyler? >> may 12th, 2003. >> and you're age 13? >> yes, sir. >> we're going to talk to you about the murder case. >> with his mother waiting down the hall, tyler edmonds is making a critical decision. telling sheriff deputies he's responsible for killing his brother-in-law. just west of starkville, mississippi. >> i was just holding the gun. i heard it go off and i looked at him and saw it actually hit him. >> but tyler will later insist the confession is false. a misguided effort to protect the person he calls the real killer. his half sister, the victim's wife. >> they believed the confession. most people would believe the
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confession. >> to tyler's mother, though, the police are acting unethically. >> they had obviously done this behind my back. and that was a violation of my rights as tyler's parent. >> she accuses the deputy of deliberately separating her from her son by maneuvering them to different parts of the building. >> he said, we just need to talk to you for a minute. well, 45 minutes later, i start looking for tyler. and that's when i got to the door where they had interrogated him and taped the confession. >> without me. will y'all step outside? we'll call you. >> but i mean, are y'all doing the statement? >> leave us alone. >> why can't i be in here with him? well, i mean, you can talk to
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him. >> we're talking to him. he's talking to us. >> well, if i find out it's against the law, y'all are in trouble. >> it's an absurd rule. >> well -- like i told you before, i don't have a problem with him talking -- >> the statute, parents have a right to be present when their child is charged with a crime so long as it is not murder. no law was violated in excludeing texclude i excludeing the mother from the room. >> well, that's fine. but i mean, do you have a problem talking to them without me? >> i was terrified that she was going to bend me over her knee right then and whoop me for telling a lie. she just got down on her knees
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and i'm crying then. i remember the moment very clearly. >> what's wrong buddy? hmm? i told them i did it. >> okay. >> tyler? tyler? tyler wayne. son, look at me. did you for real do that? or are you just telling them that? >> we both did it. >> and at that point, i just became sick. i was just sick. i said, tyler, do you know what this means? and he said, yes, ma'am.
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and i was like, do you know that they can do anything they want to with you now? oh, come here. tyler wayne. tyler, look at me. stand up and talk to me, son. >> i can't stand up, my legs -- >> it's what popped in my head. it sounded like a great excuse not to stand up and face her. >> i don't want her staying. >> please stand up, son. >> i can't. >> i knew that if i could make him look me in the face that if he was guilty of this, i would see it. and i would feel it. and he knew it, too. >> okay, tyler. your mom went back outside. you want to stop talking now? >> i went out to get a phone so
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i could get ahold of an attorney. that's where i was headed. i thought that maybe if i had an attorney present, they could work it out, do whatever they do, and we could go home. >> but deputies now moved tyler from an interrogation room to a jail cell. >> it wasn't until they put tyler behind the glass and gave him the phone to talk to me through the glass that he realized what was going on. there is nothing more horrible on this earth than to be sitting on this side of the glass and your child on the other side screaming bloody murder. momma, please, don't leave me here. i didn't do anything. please don't leave me here. >> i don't think i fully comprehended she couldn't take me with her. and i thought that she was abandoning me. my mom was pretty much all i had. and i think that was the most
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heart wrenching thing i've ever been through in my life. >> despite his age, prosecutors want to try tyler as an adult. if convicted, he faces life behind bars. his only chance he'll concludel. >> despite his age prosecutors want to try him as an adult. if found gutty he'll spend life behind bars. his only chance is contacting the sheriff and revealing the night that joey folger was killed. killed. >> i believe you're correct.
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>> he tells the county sheriffs deputies a curious tale about helping his half sister fatally shoot her husband joey in his
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sleep. >> according to tyler the siblings accomplished the task by holding a .22 caliber bolt action rifle at the same time. >> right here. my stomach. >> tyler would later contend the story is false and christie is the real killer. he concocted the confession because he believes the authorities will show her leniency if he shares the blame. as the interrogation ends tyler expects to return home with his mother. instead he's taken to a jail cell. his mind racing. >> why are they doing this to me? my sister said nothing would happen to me. surely she didn't do this on purpose, you know. and then finally come to the real zais she had in fact done it on purpose. >> in toward remedy his mistake tyler says he send as letter to
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the sheriff. four days after the confession, the sheriff invites the boy into his office. >> we're very interested in the truth as to what happened the night joey got killed. you want to start over and tell us the whole thing again please and talk to the camera. >> i thought i was about 401-k's everything. i was being honest. i had nothing to be ashamed of. i was saying exactly what happened. >> tyler tells the sheriff about his final visit with his sister and joey, a volatile couple that clash over christie's infidelities. on the night of may 10th, 2003, though, tyler says he notices few signs of marital strife. >> she ran up and gave him a big
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hug. and then christie and joey twingt a bath together. after that they got out. she rubbed his back for a little while. >> but in the middle of the night, tyler says he's awoken by christie. told to wait for her outside in her vehicle. >> i just heard that pop. and christie got in the car. >> she tell you she shot him. is that what she told you. >> told me it was an accident. go in there and say the boom went off. if she cared about me she wouldn't have put me in the situation she put me in. >> i believe you're correct. >> i love her to death but, you know, i never feel the same about her and this is something she got herself into and i can save her from this one. >> i felt relieved like okay everybody knows i didn't do anything. they are going to call my mom
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and say hey come get him and then it will be okay. >> everything you told ounce this tape is the truth to the best that you remember. >> best of my knowledge. >> i think that he believed me. but he essentially said well i want to do more. i'm still going to try to help you. but at this point the district attorney has picked it up and it's out of my hands. and i'm thinking okay what does that mean. he said what that means i just can't let you go home. >> bryant has since retired and declined our interview request. so did the current sheriff's department as well as the district attorney's office. tyler and christie are tried separately for joey's murder. christie is convicted. never relenting from her story that tyler is the actual shooter. in 2004, 14-year-old tyler is prosecuted as an adult.
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>> did you for real do that or you just telling him is that >> we both did. >> what did you aldo. >> without the confession there wouldn't kbans when you look at the confession it's very compelling especially when his mother comes in and agrees yes i did it. >> in july of 2004, tyler is convicted of murder. under mississippi state law, he receives a mandatory life sentence. >> prison is not a fun place. there are rules of that world that are not rules of this world. there are things that you see that no person should have to see. >> tyler serves his time in an adult prison. then in 2007 the mississippi supreme court revisits the case. >> there were a few details in the confession that just were not true.
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>> i saw some blood. it was on a pillow i guess, something white. >> would not have been any blood that shown up. the pillow wasn't white. a lot of point of appeal, one of the points no way any pathologist or anybody else could look at a bullet wound and say it was inflicted by two different people holding the gun. that was one of the reasons i sent the case back for new tile. >> on november 1st, 2008, a second jury clears tyler. he briefly moves out of state then returns to mississippi to be close to his mother and run a small shop less than 30 minutes from the crime scene. still haunted by what he calls the most destructive choice of his life. >> i'll go ahead and pay for what i done. >> hopefully people can see by the mistake i made not to do the same things that i had done. don't let anyone tell you take
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the blame for it you won't get in trouble. personal experience not a good idea. >> everything can change in an instant. >> outside i could see the trees kind of coming up towards the wing. >> forcing people into extraordinary situations. >> i put my arms out and said catch her, don't miss. >> when survival hangs in the balance. >> it was more action than i'd seen. >> shocking -- >> translator: his hands were bleeding, but he wouldn't stop digging. >> unexpected -- >> i felt like at one point i was questioning were there any dolphins left to respond to.

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