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like to have a close-knit family and stability. . due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> damn somebody got clocked. >> a jailhouse assault leads to one bloody inmate. >> who swung first? >> i didn't swing it all he the one swung on me. >> and two sides to each other. >> we both swung on each other. mine's affecting him more that's all. >> in this picture you can see
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mr. green running down the street, escaping from our facility. >> an inmate makes a daring escape. >> he did the escape like you would see in a movie by riding out on one of the the trucks. >> i ain't gonna lie. he was stealing. i stabbed his as as many times i could. >> with one of the jail's most violent inmates decides it's time for a change. >> if i don't make a transformation in my life at this point i'm going end up dead. >> but will it work? >> i'm at my breaking point. i've been trying my hardest. this ain't real, man. some hard ass [ bleep ]. cincinnati, ohio oh was an early american boom town who's seen its up and downs.
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just like any big city, crime is an issue, in boom times, orb bust. if you are arrested in since since, you most likely end up spending some time at the hamilton county justice center. >> be home soon baby. >> most of the 1300 men and women incarcerated here are only accused of crimes, and are awaiting trial and the resolution of their cases. but if any of them break the rules here they will end up in the disciplinary segregation unit, sometimes referred to as the hole. >> this is the hole. we have people for fighting, for stealing. >> inmates here lose all their privilege, including visitation and must spend 23 hours a day in a single person cell with one hour to use the shower a day or use the phone to call their representatives.
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even so, violence seems to erupt even in there. >> two inmates for fighting. >> somebody got clocked. >> hard to tell you all what happened. i can't believe this, man. i was trying to stay out of trouble because i was about to be on -- out of lockdown. >> the inmates involved are geovany harris and dillon thompson. they were both in the day room during the one hour they are allowed outside of their cells. >> we have 16 on bottom and 8 on -- and 16 on top. we only have eight hours on hour shift, which means, doing the math it doesn't add up. we have to double out if we are supposed to get everybody out. >> harris is jail on charges and menacing while stalking and harassing. to which he has pled not guilty. in the incident with thompson seemed to have started with an argued as well. >> i go in. i was just saying on the phone i got to talk with my public defender. >> he on it for like 30, 40 minutes.
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and i ain't paying to attention. he just hit me at. >> who swung? >> i didn't swing at all. he the one swung on me. a straight assault. it's crazy. >> what were you doing? what were you doing when he came down? >> i was facing the door trying to ask the co. i'm faced towards the door. talking to the cos. >> and he came up and hit you. >> yeah. >> as the jail investigator, my responsibility is to find out all of the facts of what occurred. it come across the radio as a signal nine. which is an inmate talking. turns out maybe it's not. it may just be an assault here. >> thompson whose 20 days away from completing a 6 month sentence for heroin possession is in segregation for a previous fight. but he says he was not the aggressor then or now. and that he had already hung up the phone and went upstairs when harris began assaulting him. >> as soon as i came down the
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steps he swung. so i clocked him. that was it. i only clocked him one time. that was it. one punch. that's it. it was all over the phone. this came from the other incident. this is dry. this came from the other -- when the dude like -- when he took my peanut butter off my tray, i clocked him too. >> [inaudible]. >> people keep trying me. i have to defend myself. >> trying to find out who the aggressor is here. you want to make sure you place disciplinary action on the right individual. and by talking to the individuals it was totally opposite stories on both sides. so we knelt it was necessary to go ahead and find witnesses to corroborate. >> the other gentlemen came over here to complain about mr. thompson talking on the phone too much. mr. thompson went over there,
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came running on the steps. by the time i got out here mr. thompson was backing way way towards the back. and mr. harris had blood all over himself. >> what did you see? >> a pair of to two of them were in the argument. he came running down the steps and started swinging on the other individual from what i could see. >> let me ask you a question. do you think thompson assaulted the other inmate in the. >> yes, from what i could see, it appeared that thompsons with the aggressor. >> i'll get you that bag of ice. >> harris and thompson are placed in separate disciplinary units until the charges are completed. >> the difference between charges is in-house charges are disciplinary sanctions within the facility. opposed to criminal charges, which you have to take to the courts outside of the facility. if we can find out it was an assault that occurred by mr. thompson then we'll push forwards and file criminal charges against him. >> little shaky about it.
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i don't know. >> you worried about that? >> i'm, very worried about it. i don't need another case on me. because for what? me defending myself. >> alone in his new cell, thompson was more open about how many times he struck harris. in what he calls self-defense. >> i hit hip probably three or four times. hit him a couple of times and then i stopped. and i thought i got to defend myself. i can't let a man play me. >> how are you defending yourself. >> put him to sleep. boom, he went to sleep. i'm going to crack you a couple of more times just because you tried to play me. you put yourself in this predicament. you wear the shoes. you fit them. you bought them. i gave him what he was looking for. now you understand. >> coming up -- >> i knew this was going to be like this, i wouldn't have fought the dude. >> the fight investigation leads to more trouble for dillon thompson. >> you have the right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you in the court of law. >> and --
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like many urban jails, cincinnati's hamilton county justice center is located in the heart of downtown. the top floor of this five-story tower might be considered the penthouse suite in any other building. but here it is reserved for the jail's most dangerous inmates. >> this is the fifth floor. highest in the jail. maximum security is up here. >> we're on the fifth floor with the hard hitters. up with the hard hitters. killers. >> one unit on the the fifth floor houses inmates considered too dangerous for general population. it is known as administrative segregation, or ad seg. mark hinkston has been here for the past seven months. >> i'm one of the most hated
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people in this whole institution. in fact they don't even allow me off of this pod. they got me housed in administrative segregation for stabbing an inmate around 7 months ago. >> he got into it with another inmate. and charged him and stabbed him in the back about three times. >> hinkston was angry because the inmate had stolen his potato chips. >> i punched him. but i didn't feel that that inflicted enough injury upon him for the crime that he committed against me. so i had two long pencils. and i went and sharpened them. and i came back to the cell and i started stabbing him. >> another incident. he was in his cell and ripped
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off a corner bead of the room which he made into the shank. >> he is a throat staff simply -- >> he is a threat to staff simply because we don't know from one day to the next what his demeanor is going to be. he has shown spurts of violence. in an instant he can go to just a ball of rage. >> while he's incarcerated here, he will be on administrative segregation because he cannot get along with the general population. can't get along with staff members. can't get along with anybody. >> he is a ticking time bomb. at some point something is going to push him over the edge to where there will be a burst of violence. >> hinkston has pled not guilty to all of his current charges, which include trafficking of cocaine and heroin, illegally carrying a firearm and felonious assault. for allegedly shooting a man
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twice in the chest. >> this is something i am capable of doing. this is something i have done in the past. i did five years for felonious assault where an individual was shot in the chest. where i shot him in the chest. this is something i'm very much capable of doing. but i didn't do this. >> in in addition to five years in prison for the felonious assault he previously served another five years for robbery. and he says his criminal history goes all the way pack to age 11 when he was jumped and assaulted by neighborhood kids because of the light color of his skin. >> they ganged up on me and they jumped me. i felt that that wasn't something i couldn't accept. in my young life. >> hinkston says he went home and got a .22 caliber pistol. >> i took that .22 revolver back to that park. and i seen these children that
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jumped me. and i began to shoot at them. although i didn't hit any of them, i was shortly captured by police officers. >> hinkston believes he's only been made worse by incarceration. >> i believe the administrative segregation makes you extra ultra aggressive due to the fact that if they cage you like a animal, you will be subject to act like a animal. when you create a condition where people is being governed by you and excessively oppress them people, they will eventually rise up against you. >> having overheard hinksston's philosophy, 23 year veteran sergeant moore felt 2 need to interject. >> jail logic.
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>> i got old jail logic. >> because you have been doing this since you were 11 years old. >> mr. hinkston has been coming here since he was a juvenile. i always conversate with the inmates because i know every one has a story and there is a reason people keep coming to jail. the food here suspect that great. the officers aren't that great. so why are you continuously coming here. >> what you think this cell doing to me? i been in here going crazy. >> i believe it. but what got you inside that cell? what got you inside this facility? what makes you go out and commit another crime to get incarcerated again after serving time for five years? >> i never committed any crime. >> so you been innocent every time? >> i'm innocent this time. >> i said every time. do you know what i call the definition of crazy? >> what. >> when you keep trying to do the same thing over and over again and you get the same result and it's not positive, that's crazy. >> all right. >> so you need to change something in your life. >> i -- i'm forced to stay here.
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against my will. if they let me go today, i'll walk out the door and never look back. >> how many times have you said that? >> once. just now. [ laughter ] i find that hard to believe. don't [ bleep ] me. don't [ bleep ] me. you can't even say it with a straight face. don't [ bleep ] me. how many times have you said that. be honest with yourself. >> never. >> of course it's hard for him. it's hard for everyone. but he has to want the help. he has to want to change. he has to figure out what's wrong in his life that he keeps making bad choices. >> what choices are going on to make not to get incarcerated again? >> coming up mark hinkston becomes an author. >> i started writing this book to have something positive to occupy my time. >> i plunged the crocodile
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at cincinnati's hamilton county justice center, inmates who are considered too dangerous to be in general population are housed in a unit known as administrative segregation or ad seg. but paul green is here for another reason. >> i'm in segregation a-pod because i escaped. i escaped because any human shouldn't be in this circumstance. i feel like if you put your pants on the same way i do. you put a shirt on the same way i do. you shouldn't tell me what's right or wrong. i believe in universal laws. if your stomach hurting real
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bad to the point that you are starving, it's okay to take a bag of chips. i feel like you should follow universal laws. but you do not. you follow man laws. >> 16 months earlier he found himself in trouble with those laws, which he he was arrested on two counts of burglary, to which he pled not guilty. as the minimum security non violent offender, he qualified for one of the jail's premium work details in the kitchen. >> i was planning on escape like two and a half, two weeks. studying the people. studying the body language, what they like to do. >> green see it is opportunity when an officer wiz momentarily distracted. >> one of our trucks was inside the loading docks of the facility. he grabbed onto the bottom of the truck and held on while the truck was leaving the facility through two secured gates. >> i was hanging under there. but i didn't realize that the thing would be twisted like that.
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twisting, twisting, twisting, [ bleep ]. so i waited till he stopped and i rolled out from under the truck and took off booking. heart pounding and pounding. ripped off my apron. took of running and stuff. >> and in this picture you can see mr. green running down the street escaping from our facility. >> with the help of information gathered from green's cell police officers located him in a friend's apartment building. >> knocked on the door and -- put a gun in my face. said don't move. that's how they got me. >> mr. green was recovered in the bathroom in the back of the apartment laying in the tub in the fetal position. he was gone from the jail for approximately 2, 2 and a half hours. so it was actually a quick, quick apprehension. >> wean was returned to the jail, and charged with escape, which he pled guilty. he was sentenced to three years
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in prison. because that was more time than he would have received if he was convicted of his burglary charges, prosecutors did not pursue that case. >> yeah, i'm going to prison. >> do you regret it? >> no. no regret at all: yeah, i would be up out of here if it wasn't for escape. but at the same time i'm learning a lot while i'm in here. i'm talking to the most intel jens jept people i ever met. i feel like it was a blessing to get my intelligent level up and get me smarter. >> green says the inmates have helped in his quest for knowledge. >> i came in here and i still didn't know how to read all the way. i was talking to my boy mark one night and he said read the dictionary. now i've read 40, 50 books since i've been here. he says that knowledge is the foundation of all things in existence. you know what i'm saying? that's really true. you know what i'm saying?
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without knowledge, we would be nothing. >> the inmate who had such an impact on green is mark hinksston. >> stay militant. stay militant. when i stay mill tantd. i mean religion, waging war against those trying to oppress you, brother. >> exactly. >> how did i lookate for individuals to revive. they come at me and i just wanted you to come into my graph traigstational pull and i have no other choice but to acknowledge it. >> smart guy. i see him as my coach. >> you have the opportunity to read the koran. that's something you should actually read. as well as the audio biography of malcolm x. by alex hayley, too. power really in the jury at this point. and a jury that hears all is a downward spiral. once you get trapped in this system, they tends to recycle
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us. so i refer him to these books to put some sound principles in his mind. and hopefully motivate him to fight the good fight life is a battle. it is a battle. i mean we came out of our father's scrotum and went into our mother's wombs. it was us amongst thousands of other sperm cells fighting in a hostile environment. and we won that battle. that was our first battle of life. >> hinkston says he's been fighting his own battle to change the behavior that's kept him incarcerated most of the past 13 years. >> i believe that if i don't make a transformation in my life at this point that i'm going to end up dead. so this transformation is essential for my being. i'm working on a book. the reason i started writing this book is to basically have something positive to occupy my
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time. it is a fictional stoemplt it is a work of fiction. it is called freedom of death. and i'm writing these books so that i could create a vehicle for revenue while i'm on the street so i can have more room to do things for the community, like set up housing for low-income people. maybe even try to renovate a park for the youth. i belief the youth is our future. and i believe that they need nourishment. >> subject matter of hinkston's book, however, is not exactly g-rated. >> i'll read this for you. it's about an individual being tortured for violating the code. reicho muttered groggily, trying to come to terms with his
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current reality after i smacked him into consciousness. surprise, surprise [ bleep ], welcome to my torture chamber. >> i don't want to say it's me, i've done these acts that's being committed in this book. but the main character has been fashioned after myself. >> i plunged the crocodile dundee knife into his right thigh. he screamed out in pain, shut the [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. i punish him. i would say it feels good, man, when i'm sitting down and i'm writing. i feel like an author. >> by the time i was done, all his front teeth had been knocked out via hammer. the parts of his feet that protruded from his ankles were hacked off. all of his fingers were broken and snatched out of socket.
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>> could have been more brutal. >> could have been more brutal. >> always more brutal. >> coming up -- >> do you get it? >> paul green tries to prepare for his time in prison. >> how about now? >> he stinks. never -- never hit it. >> and another inmate in the ad seg unit contemplates his potential prison sentence. >> i killed somebody. i do deserve to go to prison. but not for the rest of my life. we wanted to restore our lighting system in the city. you can have the greatest dreams in the world, but unless you can finance those dreams, it doesn't happen. at the time that the bankruptcy filing was done, the public lighting authority had a hard time of finding a bank. citi did not run away from the table like some other bankers did. citi had the strength to help us go to the credit markets and raise the money. it's a brighter day in detroit. people can see better when they're out doing their tasks,
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. when paul green looks out the window of his cell inside the hamilton county justice center in cincinnati, he sees a a reminder of what could have been. he is one of the few inmates who managed to escape from the facility. >> they put me in this cell, exactly the view that i escaped from. that's ironic. i came from the horseshoe. i came this way. went across the street. up the bridge up there, around the bridge. took off up there andent up that big ass hill. and ran off. i looked and i said damn, why they didn't catch me? >> green was captured after two hours outside the facility and transferred to his fifth floor administrative segregation cell. despite his high security
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surroundings, green says he still escapes the jail every day in his mind. >> i meditate sometimes. project. i feel like when i meditate i'm not here so no more. i'm locked down 23 hours a day but between 8:00 all the way up to 7:00 i'm not here. i'm gone, walking around. astral projection is a state of meditation so you can leave out the body. leave out the body and walking around. astral projection. but this is real. i walk around the pod. if not that, i'll float outside walking around. >> how did you find out about astral projection? in here or something you practiced on the outside? >> when i was on the street is when i learned about it. that's when i was practicing it with my friends and stuff. we do it all the time. let's go play basketball. but on the street i learned
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let's go meditate. know what i'm saying? but you got to master time and conquer space. people see with their two eyes and ears. they don't use their sixth sense. >> so that's what you do. >> yeah i look at things from a different level. >> green will soon be transferred to prison to begin his three year sentence for escape. >> i never been to prison. it's going to be a first time thing. but i think i will meet more intelligent guys and learn more things. so i'm not worried about it. >> rather than wait more for his education to begin he's enlisted his neighbor fred mitchell, teaching him fishing. >> three me a hook real quick. throw me a fishing line. >> i learned how to fish from an old-timer. he taught me how and i've been using it ever since. we can't get to each other. we can't pass things off as easy -- that's basically all it
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is, just to get one thing from one person to another. that's as close as we get to physical contact with each other. >> got it? hey is it over here? >> no, man. >> can you get it? >> no i can't get it? >> how about now. >> no. paul just can't fish. that's not his thing. he's no good. he stinks. i tried to teach him. he never -- never hit it. >> is it over there? >> i got hope for him. he's a smart kid. with enough practice he'll figure it out. up in prison. >> i give up, man. >> green may not be at mitchell's level when it comes to fishing. but mitchell does acknowledge that green achieved something he never did. >> i got put in here the because of escape. attempted escape. had about 75 foot of rope and i had the password to the weight
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room. weight room in the gymnasium. i was going the get a big free weight, throw it up against the window. and i was gone, man. but they searched us and found everything. >> fred mitchell has tried to escape three different times. he actually had 75 feet of rope which is pretty impressive. there is an officer gym room with free weights. he said he had codes to the door but the code changes i believe once a month so the likelihood of him actually being able to get into that room are slim to none. he also tried digging out the caulking in between the cinder blocks which didn't go very far. he gets as creative as he possibly can. >> i just want to escape so bad. the prospect of life in prison -- i'm charged with murder, for the death of an infant. my ex-girlfriend's baby. she's staying with me at the time. and they say that i threw him up against the wall. and i didn't hurt that baby on
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purpose. it was an accident. >> mitchell has pled not guilty. >> what do you feel like you deserve? do you feel like you deserve prison time? >> i mean, yeah. i killed somebody. accident or not. i killed somebody. i do deserve to go to prison. but not for the rest of my life. my lawyer just kept pounding it into me. life in prison. every time he would see me, life. what am i looking at? life. phew. i mean i think if anybody were in my situation, escape would seem like a good idea. i haven't stopped. they will never stop me. >> stop you trying to escape? >> yeah. one of these days i'll get out, too. >> dillon thompson was only 20 days from getting out of jail after serving six months for heroin possession. but then he became involved in a conflict that left inmate
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giovanni harris covered in blood. >> according to the witnesses, inmate thompson knocked harris to the ground and continue fighting when he was on the ground. >> thompson was given ten days in disciplinary segregation. but now he faces the possibility of more time in jail because harris has decided to file a criminal assault charge against him. i could have died in here or something. >> right now we're going to get inmate thompson. these are outside charges. so i'm going to pull him into the office and read him his rights and then get his side of the story. >> what am i getting? another charge. >> we'll talk about it in a second. you have the right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you in a court of law. you understand these rights? just sign right here for me.
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all right. you are still saying it was a fight? >> yeah i didn't use no weapons or nothing. >> i'm not saying anything about weapons. >> he swung at me. i just defended myself. i knew all this was going to be like this, i wouldn't even fought dude. >> i have two witnesses said you swung on him first. >> we both swing on each other. mine head and his head. mine just affecting him a little more. that's all. >> imgoing to have you write your statement down for me. okay? >> what is the a felony? >> misdemeanor one. >> and i supposed to be getting out in a couple days. >> you got to learn -- you got to learn how to keep your cool while you are in here,man. i understand it's hard so you don't get other charges adding on to you. >> i don't understand how he could press charges on me when he started it? i don't get it. i ain't never been no punishment for fighting nobody like that.
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i ain't kill that man or nothing. we just fought. he got a couple bruises, i didn't. >> coming up, mark hinkston loses a friend on the pod. >> i had a camaraderie with him. with him gone it just lessened the individuals that i communicate with. >> and makes some enemies as well. >> a guy came down here and had a bottle full of [ bleep ] that he done liquefied and sprayed it in my cell. it helps people with copd breathe better for a full 24hours. anoro ellipta is the first fda-approved product containing two long-acting bronchodilators in one inhaler. anoro is not for asthma. anoro contains a type of medicine that increases risk of death in people with asthma. it is not known if this risk is increased in copd. anoro won't replace rescue inhalers
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i like fighting. i'll give you what you looking for if you ask for me it. when you an inmate you dress like i'm dressed. you are not going to disrespect me. i don't like that. some people take my weakness for kindness and you are not going to disrespect me at all. point-blank you are not. >> it is possible inmate johnson has been in 15 fights but we only have four recorded incidents. >> thompson's latest conflict with giovanni harris carried more serious consequences than others. not only did thompson receive ten days in disciplinary segregation but harris decided to file a criminal assault charge that could potentially extend thompson's stay. and the jail decided to place thompson in the long term segregation unit known as ad seg to keep him away from the general population. >> i think admin seg is a great place for thompson. especially after he told us the story about him getting in a fight with someone else previously over peanut butter.
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i don't think he can cope well with the general population. >> i glad they did. put me on add seg for real. i have a lot more self control than last time. i had been in general population, i probably would have had a fight just because who i am. i can't let nobody play me or disrespect me in no way shape or form. everything is a choice i been reading in this bible. i need to change my ways, critical thinking and everything. >> is that easier said than done? >> it's going to be a hard thing to progress. because i ain't never thought about it like that. i have to find something. something. i don't know. i ain't figured it out yet. >> yeah, this is the terror zone right here. this is what i do all day, man. >> mark hinkston says he's been trying to change his behavior as well. he's written a book and has been advising younger inmates on the unit like paul green. but now green has been transferred to state prison to serve time for an escape conviction.
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>> before he left off the pod he came to my door and knocked. and i spoke with him. basically gave him some words of wisdom. something to go off and think about on his journey. he a bright guy. so i that's why i had a camaraderie with him. you still young buddy. you 19. you got your whole life ahead of you. you can do anything you want to. you can be anything you want to be. with him being gone, it just lessened the # individuals i communicate with. >> now that list even got shorter. hinkston says he recently read the court newspaper and found out information about one of his fellow inmates in administrative segregation. >> fred, the dude killed a little baby, man. i found out he killed an infant. when i found out about that. we can no longer be associates man.
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because what type of man would i be to associate myself with a [ bleep ] like that. >> these are charges. nothing has been proven. but i mean hinkston has his opinions and he sticks by him. -- by them. really he's just a big bully. and he's in here terrorizing people. that's what he does i guess. that's what he's good at. >> coming up things get messier in the ad seg unit. >> one of the other inmates threw feces in his cell. it was ever where. it was all over him, all over the room, all over the walls. it was everywhere. >> mark hinkston reaches the breaking point. >> y'all keeping me in this [ bleep ]. y'all playing with me bro. i'm been praying my whole life. my [ bleep ]. i'm telling you -- >> i done told you don't talk to me like that. ♪
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justice center, mark hinkston has been in the administrative segregation unit for nearly eight months after stabbing another inmate. but now, it's hinkston who's been attacked. >> i had my cell door shut. was open and watching tv, a guy came down here and had a bottle full of [ bleep ] that he done liquified and sprayed it in my cell, man. >> one of the inmates threw feces in his cell. it was pretty terribly actually. he had feces all over him. all over the room. other the walls. it was everywhere. >> i basically stood here with the -- and once they seen that i had [ bleep ] all over me and [ bleep ] all in my cell. they came up here and told them to let me take a shower. >> hinkston would tell us who it was. but that is pretty much their code. if we don't catch them in the act they are not going tell us. so we have to investigate and find who did it.
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>> nobody saw the incident occur but since mitchell was the only guy allowed out. he was the only possibility. >> mitchell was given 10 days of the disciplinary sanctions. >> what you wrote me up for? >> -- defecate anywhere er than the toilets i sprayed the [ bleep ] out of him. he thinks he can intimidate us all and he's disrespectful to everybody. not just me. >> mitchell says another inmate gave him a bottle filled with feces to spray on hinkston. i grabbed the bottle and ran up on him. and i said -- after it got him once. he thought i was done. he backed up. oh really.
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for really? i stuck the whole thing up there. phew. all up in his face. all up in his hair. it was a nasty spectacle. like chocolate milk man. yeah hinkston got what was coming to him. >> these are the same thing we have to go through in this administrative seg block. this [ bleep ] ain't breaking me. i'm standing strong. i feel like if we was in a jungle i would be a lion. and they would be hyenas, man. feel me? it's gonna take a pack of hyenas to deal with a lion. >> after the incident lieutenant reed decided it was time to shake up the unit. >> fred mitchell has many keep separates and therefore he just can't be moved everywhere or anywhere. so i decided that it would be better to get hinkston out of there. >> why i have to move? >> because you got problems. >> i been here.
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>> that don't mean you can't be moved. >> for what? >> we're not going to have this mess going on here. poop in the doors. i'm not having it. for nobody up here. i is will separate every one of you. because every time you get together everybody got to prove you're the man of everything and you're not here. >> they threw [ bleep ] and damn one -- get in trouble. them white boys don't get in trouble. man, i'm telling you man. y'all keeping me over here with these [ bleep ]. y'all playing with me bro. i've been trying my hardest, my [ bleep ] hardest. i've been my whole life [ bleep ]. i'm telling -- >> i done told you you don't talk to me like that. >> i'm gonna break his [ bleep ] man. and. >> i'll move you and you won't have a that problem. >> you're gonna move me away? >> you want to stay up here so you can keep the commotion going. >> if they throwing stuff at you
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it's got something to do with you. i'm telling you what's going to happen here. i'm telling you what's going on. you are going to be moved this evening. you are going to come out of this pod. you been up here too long. it's time for a change. >> been in that unit entirely too long. after they are there for months, they seem to believe that they run everybody that comes up there. so he was like trying to be the pod boss. and i guess it back fired and some people didn't like it. and so they retaliated by throwing feces on him. he's been on this pod for months and it was time for a move. i stand my ground. he's moving. it doesn't matter what he says, how he says it or when he says it. >> [ inmate yelling ] those duets child -- dudes child molesters, bro. >> nothing but love from you.
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[ bleep ] what block this man? >> same kind of block you just came from? >> this is the administration segregation zone? >> yes, sir. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> my cell and they move me over here, man. >> hopefully he calms down. i mean if we have to deal with him we will. him being happy is not a high priority. the security of the facility is a high priority. the fact we got him out of that situation he was in. and down here where hopefully it's going to be a little quieter, that's what we're worried about. we're not really worried about him being happy. >> hard at [ bleep ]. >> fred mitchell was not moved off the unit but was given ten days of the disciplinary segregation. during which, no phone, visit or come -- cemmesary privileges.
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but during which he is still allowed an hour out of his cell. and today he uses it to saver his victories. >> feels good looking in that empty cell. >> worth the lock in time? >> it was worth ten days. it's a relief to see him gone. >> but according to hinkston the matter is far from settled. >> believe me. retaliation is a must, man. that is really the reason i'm salty, man. because i really wanted my retaliation. listen, i'm in here for stabbing a [ bleep ]. i ain't gonna lie. he was stealing from me, i stabbed him many times as i could. so if you give me a chance at any given time and given one of these [ bleep ]. what do you think i'm gonna do? i'm gonna try to murder one of these [ bleep ]. feeling me? bottom line is we gonna see each other again, man.
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