senator byron dorgan and mitch on "the ed show." thanks so much. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton begins right now. good evening rev. good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. we've got a busy show tonight including developments out of ferguson where the suspected police shooter was in court today. and the big break in the robert durs durst case. arrested on first-degree murder charges. will audio from a tv documentary where he says he quote, killed them all, will it be admissible in court? that's all ahead. but we start with tonight's "lead." republicans holding loretta ly flrks nch's attorney confirmation up so they can push abortion. lynch has waited longer for a floor vote than tele flomany nominee

in modern history. now mitch mcconnell says keep waiting. >> hoped to turn to her next week but if we can't finish the trafficking bill she'll be put off again. if they want to have time to turn to the attorney general next week we need to finish up this human trafficking bill. first thing we need to do is finish this important human trafficking bill then turn to the nomination of the attorney general. it's not a threat. we need to finish this human trafficking bill. >> it's not a threat? this is the definition of a threat. the human trafficking bill that mcconnell is talking about would prohibit money to a restitution fund from being spent on abortions. it's part of the gop's antiabortion antiabortion agenda, and mcconnell is vowing to block lynch's confirmation unless democrats get on board with it. the result loretta lynch who's already waited a record 128 days for a vote is left to twist in

the wind. and senator mcconnell says it could be weeks or longer before that changes. >> we need to finish that so we have time to turn to the attorney general because the next week we'll be doing the budget and the next two weeks after that congress is not in session. >> republicans made big promises after the election. they were done with obstruction politics. they were turning a new leaf. but right now, 50 senate republicans have declined to give lynch any public support, and the leading senate republican is still standing in the way. they have nothing bad to say about her. so what is the issue? why are we waiting? enough with the games. it's time to hold the vote. joining me now is congressman greg meeks, democrat from new york, and dana milbank from the "washington post." thank you, both for being here. >> good evening, rev.

>> good to be with you, rev. >> congressman meek republicans are holding loretta lynch's confirmation's hostage really hostage to push abortion restrictions. what's your take on this? >> well this take is that this is a mcconnell and the republicans, they're playing the same games that mcconnell started from the very first time, from the very first day that the president was elected trying to block the president's appointment. here we have a serious position the attorney general of the united states of america, and mcconnell is holding up the president's nomination of a woman who is absolutely qualified who no one can talk about. mcconnell just as they did with dhs, just as they did with the budget before just as -- he again, is playing the same political game at the state, or to the detriment of the american people and putting in someone who has proven herself to be a great prosecutor and would be a great attorney general. >> and, dana, didn't the new republican congress come in

promising an end to obstruction like this? >> right. and now, reverend, mcconnell is claiming that he can't walk and chew gum at the same time like all of the legislation is on some sort of a lazy susan. if you got human trafficking in front of you, well sorry, we can't reach all the way over to the loretta lynch nomination. that's a canard. i left the chamber and they were voting on assistant transportation secretary so the whole notion that this can't be done is rather silly, and, of course, it is a threat to -- >> wait a minute. you just lust and they were voting on an assistant -- >> assistant transportation secretary. >> transportation secretary, but they can't vote on the attorney general of the united states? >> exactly. they could have this done in a minute if they wanted to bring it up. there aren't a lot of republicans announcing support for lynch, but there are enough so there's no doubt that her nomination will be confirmed. and the sillyiest ironfy of all fyy of all of this the longer they wait to

confirm lynch, they're keeping eric holder in the job who republicans hate more than anybody. >> that shows many people that maybe this is just politics and taking partisan gains. but congressman meeks miss lynch would be nominated if none of the republicans flip because there's a real tight vote. despite the fact, as you said, they haven't come up with anything negative on her in any of their questions during the hearing. and we talked about the delay between lynch's nomination and her floor vote. she's now also facing a record delay between getting committee approval and a floor vote. it's been 18 days congressman meeks, 18 days since the judiciary committee voted to confirm loretta lynch, more than twice as long as anyone else and that could be about to get much longer. i mean will this tragedy fire

on republicans politically, congressman, in your view? >> well, i think that the american people should stand up and will backfire as we move forward. you know, look at the hypocrisy of the republican in mcconnell. mcconnell asked the president, and said to slow down on the appointment back in november. he put loretta up in november and in december he said why don't wait until the republicans take over and then he will handle her in regular order? and here we are, they playing politics, stretching this out, as you said not only -- she's got through the committee finally and now from the committee to getting a full hearing on the floor. the longest period of time. and the only explanation, and the american people has to see it as that the only explanation is it's politics. it's not substantive. because if you want to talk about substantively, it is most important that we put her in place and do it sooner rather than later. but it's pure politics against the agenda for the people. >> dana talking about pure

politics mcconnell also said many republicans aren't supporting lynch because of president obama's actions on immigration. listen to this. >> i think the attorney general nominee is suffering from the president's actions. there's no question about it. the -- the actions he took unilaterally on immigration after the election enraged a number of members. >> so now they won't vote to confirm an attorney general with all of these issues out here because they don't agree with the president on a partisan view on immigration, and he's holding up the nomination because he wants abortion in the trafficking bill, dana. sounds like politics to a lot of us. >> yeah maybe just a little bit. i mean of course if the standard is they're waiting for a nominee who's not going to agree with any of the president's position, they're going to be waiting until president obama nominates ted cruz to be his attorney general.

and that's not going to happen. now, the democrats have themselves to blame in part here because they didn't want eric holder announced earlier in the fall that he was stepping down. democrats didn't want the white house to bring forth a nomination which caused this delay in the first place. so now they're paying the price for that as republicans stretch this out as long as they can and get as much leverage as they can for what they know they inevitably have to do. >> but congressman, do you understand, this is what americans are sick of. this kind of back and forth posturing, pivoting and not taking seriously what this country needs. i mean, can you imagine playing games given all the critical criminal justice issues that we're facing? as well as terrorism? they're playing with the attorney general confirmation and they claim they don't like to the present one that's been there and it has done a great job? >> this is why, this shows they're not ready to govern.

let me show you the difference when democrats were in control. democrats understood when bush was the president we didn't agree with ashcroft and his appointment there. tfls it was the president's appointment. he had the right to name his attorney general. we didn't agree with ashcroft. democrats went along with it so we could move forward. here we have this president who's putting forth his nominee, and a person who has no question with reference to hearse qualifications but opposed to moving the country forward, reverend as you just indicated with all the issues we have they'd rather put politics first and delay her being nominated or her being named and voted on as the next attorney general. it is just them putting politics before substance. they've done it time and again as i've said. dhs, the budget we can look up web the debt ceiling comes, day play politics they don't play it first. >> the american people suffer.

congressman, and dana milbank, thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks, refrv. still ahead, the developing investigation into the alleged ferguson police shooter. what happened? did he act alone? we'll go to ferguson. plus "killed them all." that's what robert durst said on a tv show. now he's arrested and charged with murder. 15 years after the killing. can that admission be used at trial? and more on this. >> get off! >> five arrests have been made in this teen brawl, but should teens be tried as adults? please stay with us.

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developing tonight. the man charged with shooting two police officers in ferguson missouri appearing in court today. 20-year-old jeffrey williams went before a judge to hear the charges against him. williams faces two counts of assault and armed criminal action and one count of shooting a firearm from a motor vehicle. he could face life in prison. authorities say williams has admitted firing the shot but it's unclear if he was targeting the officers. the other big question was the suspect connected to the

protest? nbc news ron allen asked prosecutor bob that question. >> so was he involved with the protests? >> yes, he is a demonstrator. he was out there earlier that evening as part of the demonstration. he's been out there on other occasions part of the demonstrations. >> but protest leaders have strongly condemned the shooting and say they don't know jeffrey williams. brittany ferrell with the group millennial activists united told the associated press no one in here group knew williams. john gaskin a st. louis naacp leader said "i don't know him. i've never seen him." a man in custody, but still many questions. we go now to nbc's ron allen for the latest from ferguson. >> reporter: good evening, reverend al. as you know the suspect jeffrey williams has med his first appearance in court.

and he faces some very serious charges that could land him in jail for the rest of his life if convicted. the bigger question here though, is whether he was, in fact targeting the police officers or involved in some dispute as he apparently told the prosecutors, and whether he was among the protesters or not. the organizers of the movement here say that he was not known to them and that he had nothing to do with it. this is an important distinction because of the tension here. as you recall after this happened the police called it an ambush and implied the protesters were attacking them and the protesters pushed back hard saying no that wasn't what they were doing at all. so going forward, that will have to be sorted out. as a legal matter the prosecutors say it really doesn't make much difference because the officers were hit by gunfire. so the suspect, the defendant, can be charged with assault, whether he was intending to shoot at them or not. in recent days since this incident happened things have been relatively calm. there have been some small

outbreaks of demonstrations, but nothing on the scale of what we've seen here. things were getting better. things were at least not getting worse, i should perhaps say. and the hope now is that this community can continue to move forward, can continue to make the changes that the justice department has called for. the mayor has said he's trying to cooperate even though the city has not yet formally signed off on a decent degree that would legally bind them to make these changes, something here people want to see. these are still early days since the police shooting and ferguson is moving forward, again, at least it's not moving backwards. back to you, reverend al. >> thanks, ron. joining me now is jim, retired a atf agent and msnbc law enforcement analyst. thank you for here here jim. >> thanks rev. >> jim, the suspect has charged. they have a gun, they believe he used, but authorities say this is very much still an active investigation.

what are they looking for? >> well first, people aren't necessarily criminally culpable if they didn't pull the trigger or conspire with them. they need to come forward and talk to the detective. maybe they want to get an attorney to come forward. they be witnesses but not criminally culpable. they could be. could be co-conspirators. certainly the police are looking for any other physical evidence besides the gun, the casings, anything else they found with the search warrant. >> now, the shooter was more than 100 yards from the police and there were protesters in between them. what does that tell you, jim? >> well i agree that he's -- i don't think this guy's a protester. he's an infilltrateor really. came down there, might have walked down the street close to, and infiltrated, a better term than what the chief said i think thehe used embedded. he went down there, left and

came back with a gun and shot the officers. he's trying to spin a yarn, i think, to say he didn't intend to shoot the officers, he was shooting in the air. but he was up on an elevated hill. he's got a line of police officers who are back lit if front of police headquarters and he shoots them. so i think he pretty much intended to do it. i don't think he's a protester. i don't think they knew him. but i think that he's by himself here. i believe protesters, that they didn't know him, he wasn't part of them. i believe the police that they were shot at by this guy. and the only person i don't believe leer is mr. williams. i think he's the guy that's not telling it straight and his actions are pretty clear. he shot at the police from an elevated position. and he's -- >> so you're saying you believe he's alone. >> so you don't think anyone else will be charged? and how will they investigate that? >> right. well, the only exception of who might have been in the car with him if he had other people in the car with him, i think they need to be questioned criminal culpability decided there. as far as a larger conspiracy,

who knows. we don't know. but he seems to admit his responsibility to the detectives. the detectives in st. louis county did a great job on this. the protesters helped. witnesses of the protesters. atf helped with ballistics. >> the community helped including the protesters no doubt. >> protesters -- absolutely, the protesters were witnesses. i don't think the protesters and the police -- past each other, reverend al in the first few sentences but if you listen closely to what they're both saying, they're doing the right things. the chief is saying the first amendment right to protest, the protesters are saying we're not egging on violence against the police. so i think they need to come to a better understanding as you well know in these things, they can get critical. >> absolutely. that's a good sign and we're going to keep following this clearly, we're going to follow this story. jim cavanaugh, thank you for your time this evening. >> thanks, rev. coming up, earth to ted cruz and jeb bush. the affordable care act is

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documentary will now head to california to face a capital murder charge. robert durst sat shackled in court today charged with the murder of his friend susan berman from nearly 15 years ago. durst just opened up about that case and others for the first time in the hbo series "the jinx." it looked at the disappearance of his wife in 1982. the execution-style murder of susan berman in her beverly hills house in 2000. and the murder and dismemberment of his neighbor morris black, in texas, in 2001. durst was never charged in his wife's disappearance and was acquitted of killing morris black. but now the susan berman case is taking center stage. list just arrested durst for killing berman inging berman saturday at a new

orleans hotel. a day later on "the jinx" we heard his shocking words when we walked into a bathroom with a microphone on. >> what the hell did i do? killed them all, of course. >> here's what filmmakers showed him moments before on top, a letter someone mailed police before berman's body was found saying there was a cadaver in the house. below, a letter durst sent susan berman the year before she died. the handwriting is similar, and beverly is spelled wrong, the same way on each envelope. durst's lawyer who defended him when he was acquitted in his neighbor's murder said they look forward to a trial. >> let me just say that we came

here to waive jurisdiction and go back to california and to get it on. bob durst didn't kill susan berman. he's ready to end all the rumor and speck listulation and have a trial. >> it looks line that trial will come, but based on durst's history, the end to the speculation may not. joining me now are former u.s. attorney kendall coffey and former prosecutor and host of judge faith," faith jenkins. >> thanks rev. >> faith, this case has so many twists. what stands out to you the most as prosecutors get ready for a trial? >> well, the first thing that stands out to me, this is a man who has dodged a life sentence for murder for decades. >> right. >> he has been the prime suspect in three digit murderfferent murders. one he admitted to and went to trial, was acquitted, said it was self-defense though he

admitted and conceded he cut up the body afterwards. >> definitely. >> so why would you then sit down and agree to be part of an hbo documentary and commit to hours of interview and essentially you're going on the record now? and so that's why all of this has come about. he basically went he was on the record, on a live mike went to the bathroom and said that he killed them all. now, whether lefshe was just rambling was he rambling or was that a confession? it was juf for prosecutors to two back and look at the case again. >> i don't get why he even did the documentary. let me play again the full tape of what he said at that moment. >> here it is. you're caught. you're right, of course. but, you can't imagine.

i'm having difficulty with the question. what the hell did you do? killed them all, of course. >> kendall, how do you react to hearing that? >> well it's so striking. he's gone from being one of the luckiest murder suspects in america, to now being one of the most foolhardy defendants. because that kind of statement, you match it up of course, with the two envelopes. we've seen it. is uncanny how close the handwriting is and even the misspelling of beverly. and all of a sudden prosecutors who had a cold case an unprosecutable case, suddenly have something. so he's going to trial. he's have a great legal team as

before. as faith mentioned, he amazeingly managed to get an acquittal for the murder and disposal of remains in a gruesome fashion -- >> i understand the two envelopes, but can they use the tape? is it admissible in court? >> they'll have to authenticate it have to prove it's his voice. there will be plenty of defense objections and probably be an explanation to somehow put a lot of spin on what he said but "killed them all," of course a jury is going to get to hear that. remember prosecutors who set him up for that comment. there's not a constitutional -- >> faith? >> the argument i think the defense will make is there was a reasonable expectation of privacy when he went to the bathroom although he was miked up, he expected that to be a private moment. i think that's the best argument they have but i think they lose on that because he was miked up on a live mike. this was not a state actor interviewing him. this was a private documentary going on.

that's why they were interviewing him so i think it will probably come in. >> kendall, you know the filmmaker asked durst pointblank if he played a role in the death of his friend miss berman. listen. >> i felt terrible for susan. i was astonished that they were putting all this together that i did it or i caused it to be done. >> did you have anything to do with susan berman's death? >> i had nothing to do with susan berman's death. >> does it make sense to you that there were people that suspected you of having -- >> oh sure maybe because she was my spokesman. all of a sudden she's dead right after janine pirro's doing the investigation of me. i shut her up. >> you know, the filmmaker asked durst this pointblank kendall. how do you think attorneys on both sides will use this interview? >> well, the prosecution is going toe say it's a false cover. that's why he spoke to the

station because somehow he thought he could clear this up and make everybody think he's a good guy. the defense is going to try to get mileage out of it and say he may have mumbled something in the men's room but look what he was saying pointblank on camera. it's amazing how people would never say one word to police officers can't help themselves but talk to the press, and sometimes they can't help but get in front of a jury for a first-degree murder prosecution. >> and there's one thing about this case, you know, a lot of murder cases the prosecutors don't have to prove motive but when you have it it's very powerful. in this case, who other than this defendant had the most to gain with this woman being killed? she was set up to talk to the government just a few days before she was killed she was set up to talk to the government about durst and his connection with his first wife and her disappearance. >> now kendall, durst has a history of strange behavior. after his wife disappeared, he posed as a mute woman living in

texas. he was acquitted of murdering his neighbor but admitted to dismembering his body. and when he was on the run after the murder he was only caught because he shoplifted a sandwich despite having $500 in cash on him. i mean how will his behavior and the previous charges impact this case? >> well, i think the defense is going to work with that. they're going to say he's a change and mentally complex guy, but not a murderous guy. and that kind of theme worked when he got acquitted before for a gruesome crime. so expect to see some of that same strategy again in the next trial. >> what do you think, faith, that they can get by again? is that the only option they have is to try using his, quote, excentric type of behavior to his advantage? >> that's going to be one of the arguments they certainly make. they're not going to able to use all of the prior investigations and the prior disappearance of his wife, or the prior trial

that he was acquitted of because i think it's going to be -- a judge will rule that's too prejudicial. you're looking at the facts of this case. in the cold cases, very good office, the l.a. prosecutors office. they go after these cases. >> he's got a good high-powered lawyer who got him off before. we're going to be watching. kendall coffey judge faith jenkins. thank you for your time tonight. straight ahead -- >> thanks reverend. >> -- arrests made in the ugly brooklyn brawl. why didn't anyone step in? plus jeb bush used private e-mail while in public office. just like hillary clinton. will the gop investigate him? and michelle obama gets down to "uptown funk" with ellen. it's all ahead in "conversation nation."

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time now for "conversation nation." joining me tonight, msnbc's krystal ball. "huff post live" host josh zepps. and senior digital editor of "ebony," jamila. is there a double standard for hillary clinton? speaker or the house, john

boehner's reportedly planning to announce a new house investigation into clinton's use of private e-mail. what about jeb bush? the "washington post" reports bush used his private e-mail account as florida governor to discuss security and military issues, such as troop deployments to the middle east and the protection of puck lar puck lar plants. shouldn't they investigate jeb, too? is this a double standard? >> this is a silly nonstory the left and the right have relied upon going into an election sfeen. season. i think we'll end up hearing a lot about jeb bush's e-mails. we wouldn't if we weren't hearing about hillary clinton's. >> i think there's a double standard here. it's interesting, jeb definitely handled his e-mail use better than hillary clinton handled it from a pr perspective. substantively they did the same

exact thing in terms of they and their teams decided which e-mails they would release, which e-mails they wouldn't release. substantively, it's very similar. you know, i disagree with jamila a little bit because i think it's important the idea of freedom of information and what public officials have to put on the record and what the public has access to. i do think that's a stant ifubstantive issue. there is a double standard being applied in the media and at the political level, of course. >> josh? >> the problem is jeb took the bait with hillary and spoke out about it. i don't think it's equivalent. there are accusations that something could have been leaked, for example, in his communications with the national guard after 9/11 use private e-mail for things that should have been secure in the year 2000. back then youtube didn't exist, i foens didn't exist. this is a different category of offense in my opinion from the secretary of state which is a much more important position

dealing diplomatically with people on a server that's located at her own house. >> we are talking about nuclear, we're talk about deployment of troops. i mean, there are some very sensitive things there. >> absolutely. i think they're both guilty of doing something that was inappropriate. what voters have to think about is this something that's going to make a decision over who we think should be president or not? jeb bush or hillary clinton? and for me as a voter it certainly has no sway on who i trust. >> for me -- isn't this just about the paranoia of the clintons? >> the question i'm raising is transparency. i'm not dealing with the politics of it. when i say double standard, if you're going to have a standard of transparency and private e-mail use for hillary clinton, it should be for jeb bush and everyone else in the discussion. >> yeah, that's exactly why i think it's a mistake for him to have made it an issue in the first place because he's done basically the same thing she did.

he wasn't secretary of tatestate and wasn't doing it in 2014. >> the problem with the argument and reasons republicans can't make the argument, if they say secretary of state is a much more powerful and important decision, they're ceding the fact hillary clinton has better qualifications and more significant position she's coming from. that's not an argument republicans can make. >> you really weren't doing much sensitive things as governor. let's move on. now to that teen beating caught on tape. this was the scene last week a model girl smashing and hitting another girl at mcdonald's in brooklyn. you can see the victim in the blue sweatshirt. police arrested five girls between the ages of 15 and 17 and the search continues for a sixth. two of the girls appeared in court and were challenged with robbery and gang assault charges. the ringleader of the attack and the girls over age 16 have been charged as adults. jamilah, it's great that police

are arrested the girls who participated in the attack but what about the other people who just stood around there watching? >> i think that's perhaps the most horrifying thing about that video that no one was willing to step in and help this young lady out. she was obviously outnumbered. it doesn't matter whether she could fight or not. there's no one who can take on a group that large by themselves and wasn't anyone who was willing to pull girls off of her yet alone stepping in and fighting on her behalf. i think it's incredibly sad. i wonder what comes next for these girls because it's -- great, we're going to see the ones arrested who should be arrested. are they going to be rehabilitated? what kind of services are going to be provided all the girls involved so they can get better? >> what is available? josh? >> scientists and sociologists are affect with the bystander effect, ironically enough if you have fewer people watching they're actually more likely to get involved than if you have more people watching because the sense of there being a lot of you not doing anything gives you individually a pass. and this is just the worst kind of example of that sort of

thing. i was horrified by the fact that people didn't intervene. i would have thought nowadays we could get together and pile on. it baffles me. >> krystal? >> rev, not only were they not helping but they were cheering on the violence. you might make the argument at the beginning when you have five girls going at each other, it would be hard, no individual person wants to jump in the middle of the melee. toward the end, things had slowed down. it would have been easy for someone, once the poor victim was on the floor getting her head kicked someone could easily have pulled off the ringleader and other girls. so it's sickening to watch and i hope that people who do see this video and hear about this incident and are around another violent incident like this will think about their own responsibility to break up -- >> i hope so. i'm glad to see the community rallying -- >> absolutely. >> everyone, please stay with me. let's switch gears because when we come back it's time to dance. the first lady and ellen dance-off.

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with the give me five challenge. bewhereon say accepted the challenge and so did vice president biden. today, the first lady appeared on the "ellen degeneres show" to keep spreading the word. and, of course, dance. ♪ ♪ >> what a dance-off. the first lady and ellen had a blast. and over the last five years, we've seen the first lady team up with all kinds of celebrities and athletes to encourage kids to move more and live healthier lives. jamilah lemieux -- >> you just had it. >> faced a lot of criticism -- from the right, let's be honest

from the right over the years. what do you make of the first lady's media strategy to sell her campaign? >> you know, the criticism that bst leveled against michelle obama has been so ridiculous from wanting to paint her as a mean angry black lady to suggest she's being abusive or unfair by asking we feed our children good healthy food and encourage them to exercise and take good care of themselves. she's done a great job rising above it and dancing on into this, into the end of the obama presidency. i think it's fantastic. >> krystal, the media strategy what do you think? >> i think it's fantastic. she makes being fit and working out and eating healthy look so fun and so cool that who wouldn't want to get involved? i mean, i was like dancing in my chair. i love that song anyway. it's brilliant. she makes it cool. not only has she teamed up with athletes and celebrities, she's also had a big impact on big business places like walmart and mcdonald's made better choices that makes it easier for people to feed their kids healthy food on a budget and that i think has been really

impactful and important as well. >> josh? >> yeah this settles it for me. she's the coolest first lady. >> she's so cool. >> i've ever known. it's also great as a foreigner to see the office of the first lady and what that is. it's very rare. it's a wonderful thing. it's one of the great things about america. the fact the first lady occupies this special place in the national consciousness where she can bring attention to -- >> it will be fun to see what the first dude does. >> exactly, it will. i love it. i love it. >> you know, i thought it was a great compliment you gave josh, she's the coolest first lady you've ever seen. since you're so young and haven't seen that many. next time we'll do a dance-off here, but we're out of time. krystal, josh jamila thanks for joining "conversation nation." we'll be right back. but who's got your back when you need legal help? we do. we're legalzoom, and over the last 10 years, we've helped millions of people protect their families and run their businesses. we have the right people on-hand to answer your questions backed by a trusted network of attorneys.

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it was the anthem for the civil rights movement sung at almost every demonstration. a rallying inging cry for equal rights including the right to vote. it was a chant heard in selma, as alabama troopers attacked voting rights marchers on the edmund pettus bridge. 50 years ago sunday 8 days after selma, that rallying cry made it to the white house. president lyndon johnson announcing to congress he would introduce the voting rights act. in his now famous speech he embraced the calls of civil rights and the language of the movement telling the nation "we shall overcome." >> their cause must be our cause, too. because it's not just negroes, but really it's all of us who must overcome the crippling legacy of bigotry and injustice.

and we shall overcome. >> it was a historic turning point. martin luther king recognized it immediately. he was moved to tears as he watched the speech from a home in selma. and five months later dr. king was at president johnson's side as he signed the voting rights act into law. 50 years later we've come so far, but our work is not yet done. last year alone, 21 states rolled back the very same voting rights we fought for in 1965. there's all kinds of moves and all kinds of strategies that would in many ways impede people being able to vote without a long process that would discourage and in some ways debunk them. but just like our fathers and mothers fought 50 years ago, we

shall fight now and just like they sang when others we must say, we shall overcome. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. deal or no deal? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm steve kornacki in for chris matthews. chris is in japan this week as a guest of the ambassador caroline kennedy and john f. kennedy library foundation honoring the legacy of president kennedy. he'll be back next week. let me begin tonight with iran's pen pal, senator tom cotton of arkansas. the freshman was able to corral 46 of his fellow senators to send a letter to iranian leaders