robert durst's apartment in houston. a terrorist attack in tunisia leaves more than 20 dead. a barbaric attack at a museum in tunisia has left at least 21 people dead today, including two gunmen killed in a firefight. they attacked tourists as they disembarked buses at midday. those who tried to take shelter in the museum were hunted down by the terrorists. more than 20 others were wounded. the tu -- tourists who were part of a cruise were among those who came under attack. a huge cruise ship with more than 3,000 passengers was docked in tunis this morning. to gunmen were

two gunmen were killed in a firefight when security forced stormed the museum. the identities and the motivation of the attackers is not known at this time. it is unclear if there is any connection to today's shooting. joining me now by phone is freea freelance journalist. what can you tell me about the latest? >> we are actually still waiting to hear the latest updates from the ministry of the interior. hopefully they will give us more information about potential -- any other potential suspects. but what we know so far, according to the spokesperson of the ministry of the interior is that it is unclear who is behind

this if a terrorist organization is behind it. if it is isis or al qaeda or others but the gunmen who were killed are problem tunisian. >> any terrorist attack rocks a community or nation. tunisia was seen a bright spot. how much has this shocked and, i think, probably sowed fear in the hearts of tunisians? >> this is a test of national unit unity. it is a very shocking incident today in downtown tunis and the

capital. everyone was -- there was this mood of panic. everyone was saddened to hear what happened because it is something that hasn't happened before. we hear of confrontations between gunmen and officers near the borders, near the algerian borders against specific national guard officers but nothing that targeted foreigners or the tourism sector, which is a vital sector in tunisia. this is something new. it's definitely a bigger challenge that neither tunisians and security forces are used to. it is a real test on whether tunisia can be considered a real success in the region or not. >> thanks for your time. joining me now are my guests.

what do we know as far as the splinter group, the pro-isis group, that released an audio recording just about 24 hours ago in advance of this? >> this is really interesting. it's a small independent jihadi unit. it has released a lot of exclusive footage from the jihadi battlefields in libya. this specific audio, which was by these tunisian extremeistsextremists,

incites foreign fighters in tunisia. >> michael, we talk about tunisia. this has been mentioned and will be mentioned again. it was seeming to one on the outside as a success story. how do it also recruits foreign fighters. >> if it is a fairly functioning democracy that can be have a transition of power, it is not a swamp where radical ideology can swim. >> that is terrifying i think, to most people who say the reason there is the genesis of isis is because of failed states. functioning or semifunctioning states contribute to isis in their own way in terms of

fighters. >> the genesis of isis sure to a point. they're drawing support from all over. one of the difficulties now because al qaeda and isis split apart a year ago, there's a state of cold war between the organizations. the game of one upmanship is going to be played out. these jihadi groups are fluid and fungible. isis sent a delegation in and recruited from al qaeda's franchise in libya. pulled these guys away. forget about the has-beens in al qaeda. >> boca haram pledging allegiance to isis.

how much do they up the ante in terms of the cold war between al qaeda and isis? >> isis is taking a much more proactive approach towards expanding territorially and attracting from the other group. isis is a lot more successful at not only attracting jihadists from around the world, but recruiting from the ranks of al qaeda, which gives it really an edge in this matter. of course establishing the so-called caliphate for all muslims around the world gives it a much more sharper edge for those guys to attract guys from the west from europe even more. telling them we have a safe haven for you here. leave the land of the infidels. this is your place. >> we talk about recruitment from tunisia and the west. there is a veteran that was arraigned in federal court today. he had a number of items with him. photos of machine guns and

airplanes, pictures of airplane toilets and under seat areas. he had 180 jihadists' videos. sort of what you would imagine the terrorist packing checklist to be. >> right. >> how much import do you put on a case like his in terms of being representative of isis and its ability to recruit in the united states in particular? >> with this case we have to be careful. he had background in the military. it is the case. we saw this with a ft. hood massacrist. the recent case of the guys trying to go off to join isis from brooklyn they were talking about maybe we should infiltrate the military and sort of

replicate the ft. hood thing. in this particular instance, we don't know enough about what this guy went through. i have heard stories that he was praising osama bin laden. the fbi had him on their radar and then they stopped paying attention to him. you would think this would raise all the red flags. >> you would hope so. >> let's say he went off and was success and joined isis. would they use him to try to cross back into the west and blow up a commercial airliner? i think they would call this a propaganda victory. you are producing the fresh recruits for our project. >> the more ojaiyou talk about the sort of seeming impossibility of

monitoring lone wolves. if you look at what happened in tunisia and charlie hebdo, ambush style assaults on civilian targets, that that seems really hard to prevent. there is always going to be an opportunity for someone willing to engage and lose their life in suicide fashion to commit an act of terrorism. >> absolutely. those so-called soft targets whether they are museums malls, schools, theaters as much security as you can provide at these locations, it is very difficult to prevent a lone wolf attack. it is the unknown unknowns. you just don't see them coming right? other groups have noticed this is so successful. they're preaching for it to be carried out in the west. >> the west gate mall the mall of america. >> indeed.

they are very very difficult to prevent. what we can do is mobilize cybersecurity experts who are working with the various governments to be able to see any red flags out there, individuals, or groups or collectives of jihadists that talk about these things. of course it's much easier said than done but it is something to start. >> you have to be surgically precise in terms of monitoring those networks over an enormous quantity of data. after the break, benjamin netanyahu netanyahu's hard right turn may have gotten him re-elected but what does it mean for the u.s. and the gop? later, a close friend of cathy durst, who disappeared in 1982 while married to robert durst, will join me on set.

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. when the going gets tough, the tough get going. minutes ago, president obama wrapped a speech in cleveland, ohio. >> at every step that we have taken over the past six years, we were told our goals were misguided, they were too ambitious, that my administration's policies would crush jobs and explode deafficits and destroy the economy forever. remember that? because sometimes, yeah we don't do the instant replay. we don't run the tape back. >> the address came one day after house republicans

introduced their own vision for america in the form of a radical budget that slashes everything from medicare benefits for seniors to head start for children. >> it's a budget that doesn't just fail to embrace middle-class economics. it is the opposite of middle-class economics. doubles down on trickle down. doles out more to those who already have the most. makes massive cuts to investments that benefit all of us. asks middle-class families to foot the bill. >> but budget politics are not the only area where the chief executive may be feeling liberated. today benjamin netanyahu is forming a new government after an overwhelming victory in israel's parliamentary elections. yesterday netanyahu railed against the arab minority in his

country hours after disavowing a peace deal that would create a palestinian state. the newly honest netanyahu government isn't such a bad thing. with netanyahu's journey from the far right to the far, far right, we can be less concerned about his opinion about iran's nuclear program. joining me now is dana milbank. i see some wisdom in what "the washington post" suggests. perhaps netanyahu revealing himself to be who he is frees this president up to have more of an aggressive position against him, to pursue a nuclear deal with iran.

>> there's always wisdom in what "the washington post" is saying. it's clarifying. it is a surprise victory. the magnitude of it is a surprise and probably in large part because of those last-minute positions that really did reveal what they're dial dealing with her. there's a limit on what the united states can do in terms of a peace process going forward. it poses interesting questions for both sides. republicans have been out there celebrating the victory as if this was a republican congressional victory, but how closely do they want to tie themselves to the prime minister? it may, in fact liberate the president since he is getting no support in any sense from b.b. whether it is on iran or whether it is on the palestinians. he's got a whole lot less to

lose now. >> if you look at the president today having an adversarial relationship in terms of congress has not slowed him down at all, but to go back to the republicans. you're standing on capitol hill. netanyahu closed out this election with a call that many people thought was racist. maligning arabs coming out in droves. they are citizens of israel and have a right to vote like any other citizen. one wonders where the gop wants to stand shoulder to shoulder with a prime minister in terms of those statements. >> right. can you imagine that sort of politics occurring in america, warning that the black voters are coming out in droves or the latino voters are coming out in droves? that does reveal the sort of politics we're talking about there. israel can choose between being a jewish state and being a democracy. clearly netanyahu with what he

is doing is not siding on the side of bringing out as a democracy. that will be another question for americans to wrestle with going forward. >> i want to move on to some domestic concerns dana seeing as the president just finished up a rebuttal to the budgets. there were committee hearings on their budget today. their plan would offer a voucher system to replace medicare. it would cut medicaid. it would rely on another trillion dollars of unspecified cuts to programs like head start and food stamps. dana we look at this budget. budgets are political documents as someone out there is fond of saying. there's a 2016 presidential election wherein many republicans have suggested they will be making overtures to

income inequality. this document would seem to stymie any and all efforts national candidates are trying to make. >> the rest of the play clearly is not along those same lines. i thought it was very appropriate that the house republicans came out with their budget on saintt. patrick's day. here's a holiday devoted to inebriation and based on all kinds of legend. if you look at the budget and it is based on apof ra ka. they abolish obamacare but then keep all the savings from obamacare. they have a $900 billion tax increase in there they're calling something else. as interesting as all the cuts are, what i think is even more revealing is now they're in the position of governing and

they're finding out it is not so easy and you have to apply a lot of trickery to make it all work. >> speaking of trickery or the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, the plan counts more than $1 trillion in savings from unspecified cuts to domestic spending. that is mythical leprechaun math. >> they used to call it the magic aster astericks. it sounds painless until you go about and do it. the punch line is this is the year where the budget matters because theably between the

house and the senate. you have to spell out these cuts. >> the rainbows, the pots of gold, the four leaf clovers. thank you. we have some breaking news. a suspect in mesa arizona, is in kuscustody after alleging shooting six people. the shooting began at 8:45 this morning morning when two people were shot in a motel room. the gunman ran to a nearby restaurant where he continued shooting more people. coming up, hbo's "the jinx" is not the only way to keep tabs on robert durst. i'll speak to a close friend of cathy durst's ahead on "now."

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what they get from their politicians who are all talk and no action. i am the only one who can make america truly great again. trump's move follows that of ben carson who launched his own committee. in 2012, fringe candidates like michelle bachman and herman cane caught fire. joining me now is josh barrow and mike pesca and jackie. in politics is there such a thing as once burned twice shy? will fringe candidates actually impact this race the way they

did in 2012? >> i love that donald trump is forming an exploratory committee. nobody believes him anymore when he says he's running for president. now he has to actually go start the exploratory committee. >> this is the year. >> i think he's going to remain our nbc colleague donald trump and not be presidential candidate donald trump. >> it just doesn't feel special anymore. >> yeah. setting trump aside, there are plenty of other would-be could-be fringe candidates. ben carson is polling third nationally. then you have bobby jindal, rick santorum santorum, none of them with perhaps the pinache of herman

cain. >> as long as they still like them, they're going to rise to the top. democrats not this year. the republican side is going to be interesting. >> it is going to be an interesting time as it always is when republicans are running for president. the director of the secret service says he wants to build a fake white house to protect the real one more effectively. true story. >> right now we use a -- we train on a parking lot basically. we don't have the bushes. we don't have the fountains. we don't get a realistic look at the white house. we think it is important to have a true replica of what the white house is. we would like to have a mock up of the white house where we can train more efficiently. >> i know your mic wasn't

working. i don't think most people would argue the secret service needs to do a better job at protecting the president, but $8 million seems like a lot to me for grass, bushes some kind of walkway, and doors. they don't need a model of the roosevelt room or the east room. >> secret service budget is like $1.8 billion. this is nothing. it is a drop in the bucket. it is an extremely important job. if they said it in a different way, if they phrased it as real-life in theater training -- but i don't see why it is not necessary. there have been been screw-ups. the screw-ups are sort of the

kind if a bunch more things had gone wrong, something bad would have happened. we're crazy about protection of the president. we're just crazy about it. i would like to find a way to pull that back a little. >> whoa! what? >> i think we're so militaryizedmilitarized. >> he's the president of the united states. >> i think there's a lot of suppression of free speech whenever the president is anywhere nearby. i want them to do their job competently. i think they define that job as pretty broad. >> maybe this is the worst of both worlds where you have blanket protection in civilian areas and on the white house grounds there should be much more enhanced security. >> i do wonder if there hadn't been so many screw-ups, if we'd look at this like really guys you want a barbie dream house? are you serious? i wonder if we would take it

more seriously if there weren't these issues. >> the fact that there's going to be a fake white house as opposed to a training ground -- maybe that would have been a better way to describe it. >> is this fake white house going to teach secret service agents not to bring prostitutes back to their hotel rooms at columbia? >> yes, it is. >> the secret service has been overburdened over the last 14 years. as its responsibilities have expanded, the number of protectees has gone up. they provide protection for foreign diplomatic missions in washington, d.c. i think the secret service kind of needs to step back a little bit. focus on core missions like protecting the president. maybe we can move some of those responsibilities off the table. when they can demonstrate they

can stop doing these embarrassing things maybe they need their barbie dream house. >> the ambassador of south korea gets attacked by a knife because they have no protection for him. >> that was not in the united states. these guys are overworked. a lot of them are underpaid. they are on multiple shifts. there are problems that do not include a barbie dream house. google's executive chairman was called out for talking over a chief female executive officer. >> nobody is saying math is hard the your point. it is critical to doing it. >> we have an urgent question. we have an urgent question. >> all the folks that are there, terrific. >> you have recruited a lot of people out of tech. i'm asking you a new questions. >> now most children --

>> jackie sitting as you are in washington, d.c. as us here in new york interrupt you, is manterrupting a real thing? >> yes, it is. it goes back to being polite. sheer politeness goes a long way. >> there's something to be said about chairman and powerful people who are used to talking and sort of having the floor and having the mic, no matter who else is talking no matter where they are and that sort of aggressive behavior is part of the institution of being -- i'm not excusing it but it is a gift of retrained muscles, i think, in many ways. >> this puts women in silicon valley in an uncomfortable position. if you don't want to be interrupted, be more like the

men and interrupt back. when they do, you're being pushy and onbnoxious. >> everyone is pushy and obnoxious. >> maybe being a male is not in the nature but in the composition of ceos. i think this is an example of jumping on the one example. i tried to watch that entire speech. it is not online yet. the woman who raised the point that there was some interrupting going on -- >> global diversity and talent director. >> it turns out her professional job is to see unconscious bias. i think unconscious bias is a thing. i think it goes on in this male/female dynamic in silicon

valley. was she bloefuating? i'm more pro-interruption. you know what doesn't have interruption? c-span and the senate floor and that is a snooze. >> mike pesca is going against the grain on this show. thank you guys all for your time. >> thank you. robert durst is being considered a suicide risk as old charges and new allegations continue to pile up. "the jink" continues just ahead. so i got this listing. 3 bedroom, 3 bath. i have a client that lives out of state. just knew it was for her.

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robert durst, the real estate heir who was arrested this weekend and charged with first-degree murder, has been moved to louisiana state prison with a mental health unit because he is considered a suicide risk. authorities searched a condominium belonging to him in houston, texas carrying away two boxes from his home. robert durst had a net worth of approximately $100 million at the time of his arrest on saturday and he had been withdrawing large sums of money from his bank accounts with daily withdrawals of $9,000 over one period of 35 days. we're also learning police retrieved $42,000 and a latex mask from durst's new orleans

hotel room. joining me now is ellen strauss, who was a friend of kathy durst. what is your feeling been as someone who has seen this murder of your friend go unsolved for potentially 30 years? >> 33 years to be exact. i'm over the moon that they have caught him. i've been waiting a long time. i waited -- i worked on it alone for 18 years. that's a long time. >> it is a long time. >> one of my heros came into my life. i trusted him. i showed him all my files, everything. he wrote a wonderful book. a few years later -- >> go ahead. >> it took a little longer but i trusted two more heros to make "the jinx."

>> it is a masterpiece. it is much discussed. >> masterpiece. >> the question now is the saga of robert durst comes back to the floor. what do you make of these latest -- the fact that he's being put in a new orleans prison that has a mental health unit, that his lawyers are bringing up neurological surgery he may have had? >> i think robert durst is anything but suicidal. it's like sherlock holmes was a self-described functioning sociopath. i think that's exactly what robert durst is. i think he's got a creative defense team. they came up in galveston bay when he was charged with murder there and acquitted with self-defense. this is another tactic they're taking. they're going to see if they can hang with it. they have a lot of evidence

against him in l.a. good for them coming up with this. more power to them but i don't think it's going to stick. >> ellen, in terms of your work working on this for 18 years as you did, you and a lot of kathy's friends went through robert durst's trash and found stuff that you would -- it is out of a fiction film you know checklists that suggest that he was going down -- ticking down a list of items in terms of how to dispose of a body. all kinds of weird things are coming up. how much evidence do you think is still floating around robert durst's residences? he was an avid note taker. >> you know what? i think they've pounced on everything they can possibly get. i know that there were warrants executed earlier this week over the weekend. they got him.

that's one thing. i happen to agree with the other guest who said this suicide watch and all the rest of it -- that's legal maneuvering. i'm an attorney. i've been doing this for decades. i know how that works. i think bob -- you might want to know why he did "the jinx." >> that's a huge line of discussion. does he want to be found out in some way? >> part of him thinks he is very smart and he's going to get away with it and there's no way they're going to catch him. he's brilliant and he's clever but he only got in touch with them after he saw ryan gosling portray him in the movie. maybe he had delusions of grandeur.

>> the sensationalizing of a murder is not what a friend wants to see happen to their missing friend. >> true. but after waiting all these years the most important thing is not even they caught him for kathy's death, but that they got him. as frail as he is how hard is it to pull a trigger? >> we will see. researching the susan berman death, it seemed that that was not investigated to the degree that we would expect. how much -- how many more paths do you think are left to be explored in and around that murder? >> i think there's a lot there. another detective bureau had it first for a couple of weeks, so they lost a lot in the

beginning. but there's a lot of evidence we don't know about. the handwriting, they can go out and get their own analysis on things like that. baallistics weren't done. the gun that shot susan and the gun that was caught when he was arrested, the 9 millimeter he had, i'm sure they have already taken that to the fbi lab. i'm sure that was redone because they never did it. so it was inconclusive. i bet they got a better lab and they did better tests on it. we don't know where the bullet and his 9 millimeter stand in comparison. that's a possibility. there are lots and lots of things. who knows what they have gotten out of his house? i don't think they would have got an an indictment and arrested him if all they had to go on was the new evidence from "the jinx." >> ellen, you have some papers.

what is this? >> i sure do. i'm going to show you four pieces of paper. these are copies. i have the originals in my file. >> let's hold these up so people can see this. go ahead. what is this one? >> this first one is a cover sheet that i sent to the westchester da's office on november 20th 2000. i sent them 17 pages. this shows how i located susan berman. they had no clue as to who she was or anything. here's a map to her door that i gave them. the westchester da who was claiming we were just about to go out and investigate her and talk to her is revisionist -- it's historical revisionism. >> there are so many rocks left unturned in all this. we would love to have you back and do this in detail. >> i would love to. >> it is a testament to kathy

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mars mission hoax? that is the conclusion that one of the 100 finalists appears to have reached today. in an op-ed in "the garden", mars one is operating a scheme in which finalists are not chosen based on their skill set or ability to survive the journey, but instead of on how much mars one supporters points they have. applicants can donate the proceeds from media appearances back to mars one. well, it was fun while it was lasted.

that's it for "now." good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from miami, let's get to work. tonight -- >> another record-breaking heat day. >> there's been zero warming. none whatsoever. >> that's disturbing. >> what we're seeing right now is a failure -- >> a failure to communicate. >> a failure to invest in infrastructure and education. >> to be a winner you have to think like a winner. >> i understand hillary. i know hillary. and -- >> this will be