on and that continues. so, as you say, there's a glut. they are going to have to start filling swimming pools out there with all of this oil that we have. so no wonder prices are so low. >> bart chilton, thank you so much. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts now. good evening and thanks for tuning in. an alleged white supremacist arrested in that shooting rage in arizona and terrorist killing 19 independent people in an attack in tunisia. but we start here at home. president obama calling out republicans for doubling down on trickle down economics. the president went to cleveland today, the sight of the gop presidential convention to slam the new budget unveiled by house

republicans. >> it's the opposite of middle class economics. under the republican budget millionaires and billionaires would get an average tax cut of $50,000 per year. translation, the average millionaire would take home as much in tax cuts as an average american takes home each year. you can let taxes rise for families. what you can't call it is a ticket to the middle class. that you cannot do. >> the gop budget cuts $5 trillion from medicaid and food stamps. it repeals obamacare and even partially privatizes medicare. it's not a budget. it's a receipt for a disaster. and it would hurt americans in 100 different ways. by 2017 republicans would cut

headstart, early education for more than 157,000 children. they want to take away half a million rides for seniors to doctors' offices, to the grocery store and they would get rid of job training for 4 million people trying to get a leg up. today, president obama said this is the wrong path for america. >> reality has rendered its judgment. trickle-down economics does not work and middle class economics does. it was one thing for them to argue against obamacare before it was put in place. every prediction they made about it turned out to be wrong. so it's working better than even i expected. but it doesn't matter. >> the president also called out speaker boehner for denying the

truth about the economic recovery. >> he captured his party's economic critics by saying, where is the jobs? where is the jobs? i'm sure there was a head line where is the jobs? well, after 12 million new jobs stock market has more than doubled, deficit cut by more that two-thirds health care at the lowest rate in 50 years, manufacturing industry coming back, auto industry coming back clean energy doubled. i've come to not only answer that question but i want to return to the debate that is central to this country. >> joining me now is representative karen bass, a representative from california and jonathan capehart from "the washington post." thank you both for being here. >> thank you, rev. >> congresswoman, i have to ask you, how can republicans keep a

straight face when they talk about this budget. >> it's interesting because there's new leadership on the house budget committee. and so what i think we're seeing is i think we're seeing tom price be actually more conservative than paul ryan was and i think paul ryan was actually critical and the defense appropriations. so it's really interesting. >> you know jonathan the president had trouble with the doom and gloom predictions while he ran for re-election. >> our policies would diminish on employment and diminish stock prices. stock market has doubled since i came into office. another prediction my re-election would spike prices to $6.60 a gallon.

i don't know how they came up with that figure. 6.60. my opponent in that last election pledged that he could bring down the unemployment rate to 6% by 2016. next year. at the end of next year. it's 5.5 now. >> jonathan why aren't we seeing gas for $6.60? >> for a whole lot of reasons. look, the republican party has never been good trying to protect the results of economic policies of democratic presidents. republicans making the same arguments when president clinton was in office and he wanted to raise taxes to try to get the deficit under control and then what ended up happening by the end of president clinton's term there was a surplus, a huge surplus, something that freaked out washington because they've never seen it before. so whenever republicans say

the -- predicted doom and gloom when it comes to the president, what we saw was a president in his last term but a president sitting on incredible economic news, especially relative to what it was when he came into office. >> well, we're talking about incredible news. congresswoman man congresswoman, look at this. it shows the deficit drop under president obama and it's pretty significant. by cutting the deficit, which is the republican's number one priority, i mean is this a made-up issue by the republicans? >> well, absolutely. and it always was a made-up issue. but i was listening to you talk about it and just think about it, remember obamacare was going to destroy the economy. >> right. >> what has happened millions of people have health coverage and it's saving money and people are doing much better. the doom and gloom, which they predicted, was to scare people away from voting for the

president, i think has obviously turned out to be completely false. >> but budget differences will help frame the debate especially on income and equality. listen to jeb bush talk about minimum wage. >> minimum wages are fine. the federal government shouldn't be doing this. this is one of those poll-driven deals. politically, i'm sure it's a great sound bite. but from an economic point of view, this is not how we need to be successful. >> lead the minimum wage to the private sector. i mean how do you fix income inequality with the same old ideas. >> you can't. leave minimum wage to the private sector the private sector, which is profit driven which is squeeze as much profit out of operations and everything, employee wages don't factor into any of that. and also without a federal minimum wage or even raising it what you're setting up is a

patchwork system where people in california might get a great minimum wage. but the folks in nevada just over the border -- >> because you go state by state? >> yeah. >> which is the whole thing, which it's almost like the state by state immigration, state by state on marriage equality state by state on minimum wage. there's no strong federal national government protecting all americans. >> right. and it sort of makes hollow this concern all of a sudden for income inequality for the middle class. you can't -- you can't reduce income inequality and can't fight for the middle class if you do not have a national strategy. >> but that's the problem that we've got to encounter, those that have always fought against these state by state kinds of things from whatever the issue may be congresswoman. you're an organizer. it also make it is very difficult to organize because you've got to deal state by state and that's what they want

to be able to do because if they can defeat you with minimum wage in wisconsin, well then you might win in montana and on and on. so there's a strategy to this and i think people need to wake up and understand there's a reason they don't want a national minimum wage because the people suffer. >> absolutely. whenever i hear the state's rights argument that's an argument about not doing something. >> right. >> you know what though we are organizers and the activists are out there in several states fighting for their governors to expand medicaid. so i do think it can backfire on them as well. we're watching millions of people getting covered all around the country and we still have the governors that are resistant. it takes pressure to turn that around. >> and a determined movement jonathan, that keeps going. one thing i give the right is that even in the face of obvious

defeat and objectvious obvious fallolly they keep going. >> same zeal and discipline. >> and the good thing is in this fight, the folks pushing for minimum wage pushing for the reduction of income inequality are on the right side. >> that's correct. congresswoman bass and congressman jonathan capehart thank you for your time tonight. >> you, too. we're following breaking news tonight out of mesa arizona. a suspect is in custody after allegedly going on a shooting spree killing one and wounding six. tonight, we're learning about his neo-nazi white supremacist past. and breaking news on the terror attack in tunisia leaving at least 19 dead. the manhunt is on. who is behind it.

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we're tracking breaking news. the massive manhunt after the terror massacre in tunisia. at least one dead and two attackers after opening fire in the capital city today, shooting in crowds sending people scrambling for safety. most of the victims, foreign tourists. some hunted down as they sought shelter in a museum. none were american. now a heavy police presence in the street and a search for up to three attackers who got away.

no group has claimed responsibility yet. the attack occurring just blocks from tunisia's parliament building. officials saying it's possible parliament was the intended target. tonight, the investigation into the motive and who might be responsible for this ugly attack. joining me now is jim arcadas. thank you for being here, jim. >> thanks for having me, rev. >> what do you know about the attackers? could they be linked to or inspired by isis? >> well right now we don't know very much unfortunately. there's been no claim of responsibility whatsoever. and i would speculate and very important to caveat that this is speculation, there is a group in tunisia called al sharia. their leader has had contact with isis. right now it could be the type of situation where isis is

trying to expand its reach across the region. we've seen cases in libya where groups who have tried to pledge allegiance to isis conducted beheadings of 21 christian egyptians in libya. this could be -- and emphasis on could -- be the same type of situation where there is a local group that has undertaken this attack almost as a way to show isis it's worthy of being a local representation of isis. >> more fighters in iraq and syria have come from tunisia than any other country. 3,000, by some estimates. is there a breeding ground for terrorists? >> well, it's important to realize that islamic extremist dates back almost 15 years. there was a massive attack on the synagogue just off the coast and a series of attacks ansar al

sharia launched against the embassy in 2012. they killed off candidates in 2013. yes, there has been a lot of tunisians who have traveled to iraq and syria as part of this movement. in the wake of the revolution in 2012 there's been a vacuum as tunisia asserts itself and security services to kind of you know keep the country safe. and so there's been a vacuum where there's been high unemployment, young people looking for things to do. so yeah it's a officerfertile environment and then return home to plot within tunisia. >> there are three still at large, three of the attackers. how did they find them? how did they look for them jim? >> that's the million dollar question. tunisia security services are very good for -- i was in

tunisia in 2013 and 2014. all up and down the avenue bordeo a broadway they will be going through all of their contacts and known networks. the new government has been in tune to the security situation and we'll putting forth their maximum effort over the next few days. >> jim thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, reverend. up next an alleged white supremacist reportedly identified as the gunman in that arizona shooting rampage. new details on his hate-filled past. next. in small business you have to work hard, know your numbers, and stay focused.

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breaking news from mesa, arizona, where a shooting spree today left one dead and several wounded. this photo was put out of the alleged suspect, the arizona republic identifies him as ryan jerome. nbc has not confirmed his identity the law center says he's a known neo-nazi white supremacist. the shooting began around 9:00 a.m. this morning at a motel room. the suspect then fled to an apartment complex. police caught him several miles from the shooting site covering him in what appeared to be a white biological evidence suit. >> the guy in the white

jumpsuit does he look like he's shackled? >> yes. they put him in that suit maybe to make sure that any biological forensic evidence on his body is not lost as they transport him or it could be -- i don't know what he was wearing at the time. but it looks like that's our suspect. >> okay. is that typical police protocol? i honestly have never seen that before paul. >> i'd like to tell you that i don't truly know. >> the breaking news tonight, a suspect with reported white supremacist ties in custody in mesa, arizona. and the question's now emerging about his past and motives. joining me now is mark potok, senior fellow at the southern poverty law center. mark, what can you tell us about this suspect? >> well, we have learned, in talking to retired mesa detective who we know well that in fact this fellow

well-known on the scene with a national group of neo-nazi skinheads and he's an associate member, one notch before full member of the airrian brotherhood, a prison gang associated with really quite incredible levels of violence. >> now mark do we know anything -- was there a targeted race or type that he was trying to get with the shooting? do we know anything at all about the shootings? >> we really don't. i mean simply with the news accounts coming out of mesa what it looks like is it began with some kind of argument and then the guy went on a rampage. we do -- there is other evidence, i should mention, of

his white supremacist leanings. he has, for instance on his left temple the numbers 88. or 8 and 8. the 8 stands for "h" and what that is is a shorthand for hile hitler. very commonly well-known significant signifier. he also had a cross on his face to denote the white race. >> how will law enforcement use his background and symbols to prosecute him? >> well i don't know that they will at all. it may turn out this was simply a personal dispute of some kind

that erupted into a frenzy in which he killed people all around him. if that's the case i don't know that his background as a white supremacist will be relevant. however, if it's charged as a hate crime, if he's charged with killing people because they were, say, black or mexican, latino, gay or whatever it may have been then they undoubtedly will at least try to bring his white supremacist background into the case. >> so we don't know yet whether he was targeting people based on race. we do not know whether this was some planned or something that erupted but we do know that he has a background that is well known there in mesa as a white supremacist and even has markings to that effect. we will certainly be following this story. mark potok will be following this. thank you for your time tonight. >> reverend thank you. still ahead, the gop's

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latest excuse senator mcconnell says the senate is too busy fighting over an anti-choice provision to take a vote on miss lynch's confirmation. today she was in washington and senator joe manchin apologized for the delay. >> it's just not fair. but it's our world, as you say, and we've got to make it a better world so we're hoping to get through this and i'm very sorry for that. >> it isn't fair. it's been 20 days since the judiciary committee voted to approve loretta lynch and there's still no full vote. that's longer than the wait time for the last five attorney generals combined. illinois center dick durbin's criticism went even further.

>> nominated to be attorney general is asked to sit in the back of the bus when it comes to the senate calendar. that is unfair. it's unjust. >> it is beneath the dignity of the senate. 130 days since she was first nominated, 20 days since she was passed out of committee. it's time for the senate to vote. joining me now are joe madison and bill press. thank you both for being here. >> hi reverend al good to see it. >> so miss lynch is good enough to prosecute terrorists but not enough to get a simple vote on the senate floor? >> and she's also very talented in the fact that most of the prosecutions, if not all of them, against terrorists she's been very successful. and let's not stop with terrorists. she's been very successful against the mob.

she's been very successful against wall street. she's one of the most successful federal prosecutors in the united states. >> you know senator mcconnell has completely botched this confirmation and i want to remind everyone what he said back in november when the republicans won the senate. listen to this bill. >> well to start with the view that maybe there are some things that we can agree on to make progress in the country. we're going to function. this gridlock and dysfunction can be defeated. >> no more dysfunction? if he can't handle scheduling confirmations, what can he handle, bill? >> first of all, let me just say, reverend al loretta lynch is as talented as joe madison outlined there. i think she's got two strikes against her. she's a woman and she's black and the republicans don't care about either one, just to be blunt about it. but mitch mcconnell this is

really the case study of his failure as a leadership. he promised president obama and the democrats don't push this in 2014 and she's not going to get a vote this week. none of them have been able to attack her qualifications, her ethics her record her talent joe. >> and that's absolutely right. you know the reality is that this delay is really sneaky. and what they are hoping is that it gets -- the mar general gets narrower and narrower. that's what they are hoping. that's why they are stalling on this one, reverend sharpton. >> and you know bill it's not just loretta lynch whose

nomination has been up held. the senate hasn't confirmed any judicial nominees this year. at this point in bush's seventh year in office democrats had con firmed 13 of his nominees. can the gop handle being the majority? >> well obviously they can't. again, mitch mcconnell promised we're going to show you how things are governed. things are going to run smoothly. she is one of 16 nominees that they have not acted on and no vote schedules so far and mcconnell seems to think that the senate can only do one thing at a time right? they do keystone pipeline. >> right. >> and then they do department of homeland security. i mean they can't do two bills in one day or one week? that's crazy. >> and you know joe, i had to put this in. they had a very contentious relationship with attorney general eric holder.

he had this to say about the delay on the vote on loretta lurch. >> given the senate's scheduling and delays and considering loretta lynch's nomination for a vote, it's almost as if a republicans in congress have a new fondness -- i'm feeling love that i haven't felt for some time and where was all of this affection over the last six years, you know? >> i mean are we missing the point, joe? maybe they have a secret they want to keep eric holder? i can't figure it out. >> that's how mixed up they are. you know your show like my show, probably a day doesn't go by that you get for our five new releases in the united states department and that's the department of justice. >> yes. >> but they are prosecuting everything. and doing a superb job. look when you don't have

judges you don't have an -- you delay the attorney general, we have work that has to be done in this country as it rerateslates to the judicial system and when former mayor giuliani says look confirm her, this is about time to tell republicans to weak up. it wouldn't take more than 15 minutes. >> they've been doing other things. got to go. joe madison and bill press, i'm going to stay on this. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. straight ahead, dick cheney says president obama and attorney general holder are, quote, playing the race card. let's see him back that up. plus it's a legal battle that could change social media. ashley judd is taking action against her online haters. and president obama's march madness. who is he picking this year and who is on his side?

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time now for "conversation nation." joining me tonight, abby huntsman democratic strategist jimmy williams and host of "the docket" on msnbc, sema.

thanks to all of you for being here. >> thanks, rev. >> we start with former vice president dick cheney. cheney accuses the president and attorney general eric holder of using their race to deflect criticism saying quote, i think they are playing the race card in my view. i just think it's obviously not true. jimmy, cheney says the president is playing the race card. your reaction? >> if the president is playing the race card that means the republicans are playing the death card. if you want to be war mongers, then you're playing the death card. all day all along killing millions and millions of people all across the globe. that's what that is. by the way, i don't think that

is true. i also don't think it's true that barack obama is playing the race card or eric holder is playing the race card. i do believe that when they say racial problems have been erradicated, we could say there's a problem with the race card which is not recognizing that it still exists today. >> but my problem with it, sema even when you quote, as jimmy just did, the attorney general or the president, how is that deflecting criticism on them? for the attorney general to address a criticism from the supreme court is giving an analysis of a supreme court decision. >> if anything obama has been criticized for not talking about race enough. as an aside, i think that sometimes there's nothing wrong with playing the race card. i throw the indian thing around as much as i can. help me or help my client.

but in this specific instance the race has constantly been in the news because there are black people and he said to deflect criticism on them so connect the dots. where is the statement that they said he said this because i'm black. he criticized me cheney because i'm black. give me one example. >> you can't. it's a ridiculous statement. this is not the first time that cheney has said something to get people to scratch their head and say, where is this coming from. >> really? >> i think it's a problem that we have in this country, we can't have a national pragmatic real conversation about where the problems are because what eric holder and the president have both done well is let the reports speak for itself. the officer was not charged.

the problems lie in the police department, not just in ferguson but in other places around the country. let's have that conversation. >> and i think that's the problem, jimmy, in this whole conversation. they just throw stuff out there. they do it to all of us just throw it out there. when you step back and say, wait a minute let's us deal with your specific charge -- >> right. >> -- what are you talking about specifically? they can't answer it. and that's why i think we have to start slowing the conversation down and say, give me an example of what you are talking about. >> if you talk about race you're a racist. >> right. >> if you don't talk about race you're not a racist. >> that's the problem with the whole conversation. we can't get anywhere. >> then here's the deal. i'm not going to -- as a son of the south, i'm not going to stop talking about racism or homophobia. the reason i'm going to is because it exists. if you give me that utopian society where it does not exist,

i will have nothing to talk about. >> a family calls us in i didn't bring in race they called me because they thought it was about race. >> exactly. but what abby is saying is a good point. i'm so glad to hear it because it sounds like what you're saying is, we're talking about it and talking about it but when are we going to -- >> talking that leads to something. >> it's also because it's such an openness on both sides, too. because when you have folks that would normally reach out about this or speak out, more passionately about this you have to be open when they do change their mind. >> let's move on to hollywood. ashley judd is firing back at twitter users who sent her

sexually explicit tweets after tweeting her thoughts about a college basketball game. the tweets are so lewd we can't show them on tv. on monday judd broke the news to msnbc's thomas roberts saying she would press charges against the online trolls. she also spoke to nbc's craig melvin. >> the amount of gender violence that i experience is absolutely extraordinary and a significant part of my day today will be spent filing police reports at home about gender violence that's directed at me on social media. >> judd's action comes on the heels of former baseball player kurt schilling going on the offense. have we seen a groundbreaking movement in the social media world, seema?

>> with ashley judd what's interesting, she keeps saying i'm a victim of gender violence. so this could actually fit the statute for a hate crime. so there is harassment which like, of course of conduct type of argument and it could happen online, happen in writing, happen on the phone. so there could be harassment charges. stalking is another one. but a hate crime, if you feel directed at because of your gender and the actions point to -- because of your gender or your race or sexual orientation, she may have a charge with that. >> jimmy, i mean this would set a new precedent because all of us in public life has haters online. >> especially jimmy williams let me tell you. >> i block trolls -- i was having a conversation with my friend today about the number of trolls i blocked this weekend. it was almost like a record for me. i've gotten death threats from people with my address saying they are going to lynch me. >> right. >> calling me out about my sexual orientation so i ford

forwarded them to the head of msnbc and i didn't hear from them again. not everyone can do that. a teenage girl gets shamed on a social media venue and kills herself and what ashley judd is doing, i think, is not only brave but sets a great example. >> it's needed. >> you're so right. >> i get threats all the time and i've been stabbed before so it's serious to me. >> the number three cause of death for young adults is suicide. you realize just how bad it has gotten and ashley judd is speaking for so many women. it's really targeted a lot of the time against women in such a sexual way. i know the law is there but there seems gray area about what they can do to punish people. >> we're going to follow this and see where it goes. maybe she open as door that will back bullies up. because they are bullies. everybody stay with me. we'll be back with great news

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leading all of her potential republican candidates by double digits. >> i was saying this right when the story broke. i was saying i don't understand what the big deal is. i think there are real questions to be asked about what was hidden or not and you think about people in the local coffee shops around the country and it's not going to impact their vote. two, if you're a democrat you have one or two options. either hillary clinton or one of the folks on the far right. it's clear no one is going to run against her. she's the one candidate that they do have. i'm not surprised that these were the numbers. republicans, if they speak to a more positive message, a more inclusive message, you'll see their numbers go up. >> isn't that the problem jimmy, that sometimes people inside certain movements, political groups or whatever we

get to arguing about things that the public really don't care. >> right. >> we're talking to ourselves, rev. >> and people are not even at all listening to this and you're not affecting their lives and they don't care. >> that's precisely it. policy issues like equality. policy issues like voting rights, like civil rights college tuition. >> jobs. >> jobs et cetera et cetera. and by the way, every one of those, i can't wait to see hillary -- >> i do think the controversy did corroborate certain things about hillary. she's deceptive. >> double standard. >> she's ruthless and a political animal which is why i love her. i loved her then and i love her now. >> so you acknowledge that there's a double standard. >> i don't think that i care that there is. president obama is filling out his march madness brackets.

>> they are a number one seed. what kind of seed do you think you were? >> i was definitely a third or fourth seed but i was scrappy. >> kentucky/notre dame would be a great game. hopefully high scoring if notre dame can make shots. >> i think kentucky beats them. >> i don't think they quite pull it off. i think kentucky moves on. >> the president is all in for the kentucky wildcats. we have some breaking news tonight. the president and speaker boehner agree on something. boehner is also picking kentucky. he tweeted today the bracket is complete. looking forward to a great march madness. seema, is this what we need to do to get something done in washington? >> i consulted by bookie from

bay ridge and he said everyone is going with kentucky. 34-0 and they will be 40-0. but my bookie says to watch out for wichita, which is number seven in their bracket and they could go up against kansas. and my bookie called obama a chalk eater which is someone who always goes with the safe team. >> boehner and obama agree and seema is -- >> every time i talk about sports, i have to talk about my bookie. >> there's no telling what is going to happen on this show. abby jimmy and seem ma thank you for joining us. i hope your bookie is watching. be sure to watch abby on "the cycle" right here on msnbc. and catch seema on "the docket," tuesdays at 11:00 on "the shift" on msnbc. did you bring your bookie?

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ensure this never happens again. >> today, penn state fraternity members could be facing criminal charges after learning about what law enforcement say is a secret facebook page with lewd photos of unconscious women. today at the university of wisconsin, a fraternity was terminated after alleged hazing for drinking excessively and food deprivation. maybe some good can come from the sae video. an open conversation on the future of greek life at our schools. on what is acceptable and what is not. what is no longer acceptable is acting like what is happening in plain sight in some of these fraternities are things that are

not happening at all that would be a good are solve to an ugly situation. theax for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. the white house rebukes bibi. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm steve kornacki in for chris matthews. let me start tonight with bibi netanyahu's big win and signs of new trouble ahead for his relationship with the white house. israeli leader swung far to the right in the final days of the campaign. he backtracked on earlier promises by vowing never to support a palestinian state. came to congress and brazingly called out the u.s. presi