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good afternoon. i'm abby huntsman. as we come on the air today, there are new arrests in tunisia. the latest place to be turned upside down. four suspects are under arrest for direct connections on the bardo attack in tunisia. tunisia joins france australia, and canada of victims of the so-called terror spectacular, low-tech attacks that up end any sense of security. 23 people are now confirmed dead after wednesday's attack. the dead include 20 foreign tourists from eight countries. this tiny north african nation has seen disproportionately high numbers of fighters joining isis. 3,000 have fugtought inside syria and iraq more than any other nation. officials fear at least 500 of them have returned home. u.s. intel is working to confirm isis is responsible. >> while we're not yet able to
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confirm the voracity of this claim, the tactics that we saw at the bardo museum would be entirely consistent with tactics that isil has previously used that show a blatant disregard and even a brutality for innocent civilians. >> tunisia is home to competing terror groups jockeying for dominance, namely isis. the branch in libya recently posted pics of training new recruits, and there are now unconfirmed reports that one museum attacker had their flag in his pocket. the white house counterterror team is pledging u.s. assistance to tunisia, and our allies are following suit. >> this is the latest example of extremist terror and we have to fight it with everything we have. our values freedom of speech democracy, the rule of law, they will win through. >> some fear democracy is now
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under attack in tunisia, a nation thought to be an arab spring success story. >> the so-called arab spring started in tunisia. and the last free tunisian election got as a result a western-oriented government. this is an attack against democracy. i'm very afraid and very worried. >> let's bring in 20-year military veteran christopher harmer. he's now a senior naval analyst at the mideast security project, which is part of the institute for the study of war. chris, 3,000 tunisians are fighting alongside isis now. but tunisia embraced democracy during the arab spring. how did tunisia go from being an example to now a hot bed of recruitment? >> i'd say tunisia still is an example to the rest of the world. in the first place, they're modernizing politically. in the second place, they're modernizing economically. in the third place, they've shown overt hostility on the part of the population towards this radical fundamentalism
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ideology. i think tunisia is still fundamentally, functionally a sound democracy. the problem is law enforcement, intelligent, and military have to be right 100% of the time. if they miss an attack, then the enemy can pull off a spectacular attack. i would say, yes it's a tragedy that happened. it's unfortunate, and i would not in any way suggest that we lower our guard. but it's important to keep in mind that tunisia is on right path here. >> we see these semi affiliate attacks more and more now these days because, of course isis is calling for them and encouraging them. al qaeda tried to do the same thing, far less successful. why is it isis is having more success in creating those? >> i think you guys showed a great graphic at beginning where you showed that tunisia was one of the primary suppliers of fighters to the isis homeland in eastern syria and western iraq somewhere around 3,000 fighters from tunisia have gone there to fight, maybe 500 have returned. the problem that isis faces right now is they're being
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defeated at the tactical level inside syria and inside iraq. in kobani isis tried to attack tried to take over the town. they were defeated there. right now isis is losing the battle for tikrit. so the isis geographical reach is gradually dissipating. by no means are they ready to collapse yet, but at some point hopefully they will. all those fighters they brought in from foreign countries are now disperseing back to those foreign lands. isis is able to call for them hey, don't come here now, stay where you are, conduct a spectacular attack there in place. >> and you're right to point out that tunisia is on the right path in terms of democracy, not perfect, but certainly headed in the right direction. as you're also pointing out, tunisia is also this place that has sent a disproportionate number of foreign fighters to support isis. so what are the political factors that are leading to that motivation? what's going on where tunisia in particular is sending a lot of foreign fighters?
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>> i would say it's possibly flipside to the same coin. because tunisia's been so successful relatively speaking in establishing democracy in westernizing, in modernizing, in liberalizing their economy, maybe these locally grown jihadists say there's no traction for us here let's go to the isis homeland. it's a possibility they don't see an avenue to attack or to create battle space inside tunisia so they go elsewhere. if isis is changing strategy to tell these people stay where you are and attack yes, that's bad. but it's also a sign of weakness in the sense that isis no longer believes or may not believe that they are capable of establishing and defending the caliph. i was always maintained that in time the caliph will collapse. there are not a sufficient number of people who want to live inside that type of radical, theological society. eventually the caliph will collapse and they become an imitation of al qaeda, conducting spectacular attacks as a foreign terrorist organization rather than as a nation state. >> so let's talk about the choice of the target here the
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bardo museum. major tourist destination and accordingly, many of the victims span from across the globe. really wide ranging impact here. do you expect that was intentional, and how does the fact that there is this widespread impact across the globe, how does that impact the response to this attack? >> absolutely. the selection of the museum was intentional. we saw a couple twitter posts by isis sympathizers that were immediately before the attack. they talked about the spectacular nature of the attack. they talked about how it was of global relevance. you'd have a lot of european tourists that come into tunisia. there's a civilization there that predates islam and chris yan -- christianity. these are very interesting historical and archaeological sites. that's a very target-rich environment for terrorists like isis. with one attack, they can kill people from a lot of different nations. then they can disproportionately
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affect the tunisian economy. >> that's exactly right. you talk about their desire to have a global reach. that means picking targets like this where they can hit all sorts of different countries. of course, one is the united states. we've seen in recent days there were those three men in brooklyn accused of being in adherence of isis as well as recently a u.s. air force vet. clearly there's a need for the united states to try to stop the radicalization here at home. what are the best strategies that the country can do in that regard? >> the first best strategy is to live our lives as a democratic capitalist society. we can't revert to a police state. i think america's done relatively speaking a pretty good job of living in caution without living in fear. the second thing we need to do the intelligence community, the military, the federal law enforcement, they all need to do their jobs to prevent these attacks. the third thing is for average citizens to help in the fight against this. several of the attacks that were
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foiled against the united states, the underwear bomber the shoe bomber, the car bomber in times square even the tsarnaev brothers up in boston there was a significant amount of positive civilian interaction with law enforcement. i think all of these things lead to a successful outcome against isis. i don't believe we're near the end state of the battle with isis but i don't believe they've got any significant traction within the united states in terms of attracting supporters. the people they attract are one offs, two offs. there's not a big flow of fighters from the united states to isis. i just don't think there's a lot of traction for isis inside the united states. >> what is your take on current state of isis? should we see this as a group that is gaining momentum when you hear about terrorist groups like boko haram wanting to join forces with them? or is this a sign that maybe they're weakening and need all the help they can get at this point? >> it's a very interesting question. it's a question that a lot of people struggle with. i would say at the tactical level, isis is losing the fight. they lost the fight for kobani. they're in the process of losing
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the fight for tikrit. they're going to lose some other fights hopefully in the near future. unfortunately, strategically, they are winning. their message is getting traction with other disaffected terrorists and jihadi groups. boko haram plejed allegiance. the real contest here is between al qaeda and isis for leadership of the global sunni jihadist movement. right now isis is winning that fight. the unfortunate reality is yes, the caliph may collapse. it should collapse. i believe it will collapse. when that happens, it doesn't mean the threat is gone. it's just dissipated geographically dispersed. >> all right. christopher, thank you so much for your expertise. we appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, the serious developments overshadowing a royal visit to the white house this afternoon. we will go there live. plus bibi backtracks? what he's saying today about a two-state solution now that he's been re-elected. and amanda knox is back in the news. we'll tell you why as "the cycle" rolls on.
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and we're back with a british invasion at the white house this afternoon. it's always a fun time when a royal crosses the pond to visit the states but this visit by prince charles and his wife camila may involve some serious talks on the recent news in tunisia and the rise of isis in the middle east. nbc's senior white house correspondent chris jansing is on the north lawn for us. >> hi, blake. you saw the picture in the oval office, the president and prince charles. obviously a lot of this visit has just been kind of going around and seeing some of the
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tourist sites and having some of the pictures taken that will end up in the tabloids back in the u.k. but you're right, that there could be some serious conversations in the oval office. a couple of things. one is that the prince has gotten back recently from a trip to visit some people he knows very well which are royal families in the middle east. that trip took him to saudi arabia, to jordan to kuwait. so that how that relates to the fight against isis the situation in the middle east in general, certainly could be part of the topic there. you'll also know that the prince is a well-known environmentalist. it may not be coincidental that today the president signed an executive order pledging for the federal government to cut back on greenhouse gas emissions by 40% over the next ten years. officials also said they were going to talk about the importance of corporate responsibility. the president today when he signed that executive order had conversations with folks from big corporations like ibm and ge and got some commitments from them to cut back on their
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greenhouse gas emissions. so in addition, i'm sure, to the pleasantries that the cameras saw for the brief time they were in the oval office with the two men, maybe some intense conversations as well, blake. >> all right. chris jansing at the white house. thank you so much. and developing right now, nbc news exclusive reporting in the aftermath of those historic israeli elections. prime minister benjamin netanyahu not only earned himself an unprecedented fourth term, he also upped the ante for israeli-u.s. relations. andrea mitchell was the first journalist anywhere in the world to sit down with bibi today. take a look. >> on iran the draft agreement reportedly would permit iran to have 6,000 centrifuges and that it would last for ten years or more. why isn't that better for israel to freeze their program and to have inspections? >> i think there are other options as well. i think that you can get a better deal.
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i think the one that i would have is to reduce iran's nuclear capabilities so you increase the breakout time. if i had to vote on that negotiating team, i would say zero centrifuges. i don't have a vote there. >> you really do accept some -- >> i told you, i'd say that's something that, you know, a smaller number would be something that israel and its arab neighbors wouldn't love but they could live with. and the second thing is i think the most important thing is that the lifting of restrictions on iran's nuclear program would depend on iran's change of behavior. >> all right. joining us now to talk about it is dana milbank, political columnist for "the washington post." thank you for joining us. let's talk about the impact of bibi's election in general and that interview on u.s. politics. we know president obama has had a somewhat testy relationship with benjamin netanyahu. we also know that the republican congress has sort of taken him under their wing as an ally and friend. as netanyahu has shifted his position on the two-state solution although today it
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looked like he might have backtracked a little bit, how does that impact where obama goes on this issue and also the republican congress? >> well, look, it's hard to imagine things could get worse between the president and the prime minister. he said in that interview with andrea mitchell that he had not yet received a call from the president. i imagine when there is that phone call you'll actually be able to see frost coming out of the telephone. but i think importantly, he did climb down from the most inflammatory thing he did before the election, which was disavow a two-state solution. that made him about as popular around the world as chlamydia. he realized he had to do something about it. and i think he made for a much smoother path to back to decent u.s.-israeli relations. he's never going to have a good relationship with this president, but that doesn't mean that u.s.-israeli, the relationship, can't recover and can't improve and certainly returning at least nominally to
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the notion of a two-state solution. makes it easier for republicans to embrace and the united states to embrace him. >> yeah netanyahu's rapid 180 on the idea of a two-state solution is definitely the big news here. let's play a little bit of netanyahu talking to andrea mitchell about that today. >> i haven't changed my policy. i never retracted my speech six years ago calling for a demilitarized palestinian state that recognizes the jewish state. what has changed is the reality. the palestinian leader refuses to recognize the jewish state, has made a pact with hamas that calls for the destruction of the jewish state. i don't want a one-state solution. i want a sustainable, peaceful, two-state solution. for that circumstances have to change. >> so there he talked a little bit in that about some of the circumstances that he would like to see changed. then he talks about what's going on in the palestinian areas and in israel for that to change. what needs to happen for a
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two-state solution to become a reality? >> well look that was an extraordinary flip-flop. obviously the voters that he got to come out for him in the last days of the election will probably be quite surprised to hear that. now, he's trying to sort of thread the needle here by saying he hasn't changed his view but circumstances have. in that interview before the election, he said there's not going to be a palestinian state on his watch. and that's probably consistent with what he's saying here and that circumstances would need to change. it's hard to imagine any circumstance that would be sufficient for netanyahu to actually change the position. so in that sense, it's no surprise here. people always knew he was not terribly warm to the idea of a palestinian state but he was at least nominally open to it. so it does appear that he's remaineded that way, but nobody expected this man to negotiate anything while he's the prime minister. >> yeah, pretty amazing as you were saying. you can change your tune
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literally within 48 hours. you have, you know, the governing version of netanyahu and the campaigning version of netanyahu. we've seen two of those very recently. you can say this is totally insincere or maybe he's just an incredible politician, but i want to get to the relationship between president obama and netanyahu, something you mentioned earlier. here's what netanyahu said about that earlier. >> why should president obama trust you when you came to congress to lobby against his negotiations with iran? >> i think there's an unbreakable bond between israel and the united states. the president's said that. i've said that. >> but what about between you and barack obama? >> well i think that is reflected in the relationship between the president of the united states and the prime minister of israel. we have -- we can have differences, but we have so many things that unite us. we'll work together. we have to. >> dana we talk so much about how bad this relationship is between these two men. it's clear it's not a good one. but isn't the u.s.-israeli relationship too big to fail
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here? you think about the next two years, how we're going to get through them how it can't be any worse. ultimately, isn't there too much to lose here? don't we have too much in common for it to get that bad? >> i think that's right, abby. there's been a lot of hyperventilating now scene saying with the united states' position change at the u.n. on allowing a palestinian state to be created without israel's permission, that seems what the prime minister's climb down to be far fetched right now. we have to keep in mind that there's only a year and a half or a little less than two years left of president obama's term. the prime minister will be on the watch longer than that. but i think americans tend to get distracted by the relationship between the two leaders as opposed to the relationship between the two countries and particularly now that he's reversed himself in spectacular fashion on the two-state solution. that will make it easier for israel supporters in the united states. >> dana we heard in blake's
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lead andrea mitchell talking to netanyahu about a potential deal with iran. looks like they're narrowing in on 6,000 centrifuges as what the framework would call for. i know we've heard a lot coming out of d.c. about the potential for this deal but what is the wisdom there in terms of how likely it is that this is actually going to get done? i mean it seems like there's still a lot of big sticking points and big obstacles in the way. >> well krystal, in general, there's not a whole lot of wisdom here in washington. >> that's a good point. >> having nothing to do with this deal. i think there's a lot of skepticism. that's not because of the opposition in congress or from netanyahu but because it is just a long shot to get a deal with iran. so i think there's a lot of skepticism that ist will in fact, turn out. if it does turn out, how enforceable that will be with congress, it's clearly going to be hostile to it no matter what the terms are. >> that's right.
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dramatic new developments this afternoon involving the only surviving boston marathon bombing suspect. those developments are coming from in and out of that federal courtroom. nbc's ron mott is in boston for us. start with this news about the murder of that m.i.t. officer. >> yeah, hey there, towerure. the announcement by the state
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today that they're going to go forward with the prosecution of dzhokhar tsarnaev in connection with the death of m.i.t. police officer sean collier. the announcement was not so much a surprise because the grand jury handed up the indictment just a few months after the bombing, almost two years ago now, but the timing of it coming today is a bit of a surprise that they are going to go forward with the prosecution no matter how this particular case here in federal court is resolved. >> all right. thanks ron. in other legal news we're just days away from finding out the legal fate of amanda knox and the end of a long bizarre journey. knox is the young american woman who was arrested in italy in 2007 after her british roommate was found dead in their apartment. her throat slashed by a knife. the prosecutor called it an acult sex game gone wrong. police said amanda confessed. the story captivated this country and italy and the world. in '09, knox was convicted but after four years in an italian prison, her conviction was overturned and she flew back to her seattle home and got a $4
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million book deal. on march 25th an italian court will decide whether or not she's guilty, but it's unlikely she'll end up back in italy either way. our next guest, journalist nina burley, spent ten months in italy researching the knox case. welcome. ten months in italy sounds fantastic. so that's great. but why is the court taking a third whack at this? is there new information that they're wrestling with? >> well you would think there's new information, but there isn't. she was convicted at the trial level. the italian system allows the defense and the prosecution to appeal. the defense has appealed an overturning of that acquittal, which led her to come home. it's complicated. but it's now going up to their supreme court. this is the final ruling. the final ruling since the supreme court has already once ruled that the trial conviction
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should stand. there is no new evidence either way. we expect that they will rule as they did before that the conviction should stand. that throws the case into extradition territory. basically basically, it throws the case into question of whether the italian justice department will ask the italian government to ask the u.s. state department to send her back to finish a 26-year sentence. >> and the state department is already saying we're not going to do that. >> my source at the state department said they don't expect the government of italy even to go there because this sets up a kind of international diplomatic showdown over something that's -- i mean the murder of meredith kercher is an awful thing, but they're setting up an international kind of diplomatic incident over police work and a trial that were very very dubious.
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and we don't expect the italian government to ask, but they might because many italians think that amanda knox is, you know, a murderer. >> clearly, they won't let it go. >> use that word dubious. let's talk about that. you're on record saying this is a bit of a sham. i want to put up a quote you wrote a couple years ago. quote, i went to italy thinking i was writing a book about an american girl psycho after a month, i realized the case was shaky after a year there, i knew it was nonexistent, end quote. you have a firm conclusion to this case. you've studied it more than anyone. in spite of your firm conviction, are there any elements of the case, any pieces of evidence that you still wrestle with and are hard to reconcile? >> well, not really. i mean i spent -- as i said i went over there thinking i was going to write a book about why an american girl turned into charlie manson in this beautiful italian city.
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i did journalism 101, what we're all trained to do here which is ask the questions, find the sources, and look at the documents. within the first month, i realized, whoa, all of these things i've been reading, the students bleached the place clean but left somebody else's dna. there was a staged burglary even though the person whose dna is in the murder room is a known burglar. things didn't add up. but i'll tell you, i spent my -- most of the time there still not sure what -- i thought there had to be something to the case. i spent many hours talking to the prosecutor giving him his due, and it came down to at the end we found out some things about this third man who's in jail. i stumbled upon somebody who knew him quite well. i started to understand a little bit more about his psychology. that combined with the totally illogical idea that students
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would stage a burglary when a burglar was actually on the scene, everything else is circumstantial, and it's all explained by bias and it's explained by a naive, provincial american girl who doesn't speak the language very well. and bad police work. >> let's talk about that bias. your book is called "the fatal gift of beauty." certainly amanda knox's appearance has been front and center in the consideration of this case. how did her physical appearance play into the way that the italians imagined that this crime took place? >> well let's just start by saying in the united states as well as in italy and in the u.k. crimes committed by young, attractive, white females get a lot more attention than any other types of crimes. so that's what we're starting with. the fact that she was attractive, of course, and the fact that meredith kercher was
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attractive attracted a lot of media attention. >> also the fact she didn't show a lot of grievance. >> well yeah. her behavior on the scene, her behavior in the police station did not match with what we would consider to be -- or what the italians certainly consider to be normal female behavior. she was doing yoga flips, doing a downward dog. she didn't burst into tears. she didn't cry the way that the italian girls would. she kept boisterously popping back into the police station, never asked for a lawyer because she thought they wanted her help. so she was making all kinds of mistakes, but i'll tell you, i'm not her advocate. i think she's -- if you read my book, you'll find out there are things about the family and things about her that sort of are anomalous, that explain kind of strange behavior on her part. but i can tell you that having spent that time there, looked at the records, looked at the
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documents, there just isn't a case. >> she didn't do it in your opinion, and the killer is in prison already. >> yes that's my opinion. >> all right. nina, thank you so much for your time. very interesting. next a startling new statistic that may explain why young americans have virtually no interest in politics.
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around. our next guest agrees with me. he wants to recruit more millennials to run for office. the ceo of run for america joins us now to explain his plan to mobilize these candidates. it's a brilliant idea. what exactly needs to be done to freshen up washington, d.c. the question is how do you do it successful? not just get these people to run, but to win. >> it's a great point. at run for america, we believe this idea that there's a whole generation of people out there who deeply want to serve and create impact. many of them are doing other things. they're running nonprofits starting businesses working in other fields to create impact. we see it as our mission to call these people back to service. these are the type of people and voices who can change the culture in washington. >> wish y'all had been around back when i was running. >> well that's one of the problems. there aren't really any tools or services, right, for these kind of people. >> that's exactly right.
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there's very little encouragement for young people. they're getting all kinds of messages about how terrible it is. you're here at an interesting time. it's kind of great timing kind of terrible because we obviously just had the first congressman born in the '80s resigning in some disgrace from congress. he's being written about as sort of a collection of millennial stereotypes, frankly. does aaron schock's resignation undermine your case that millennials are the answer? >> well we don't believe that it's just about your age, right. i think aaron schock is actually a perfect example of why the argument of oh let's get anyone who's under, you know, 35 in as soon as possible. it's about a different kind of profile. aaron schock is perhaps the iconic 21st century celebrity politician. sponsored zero bills while he was in congress. focused -- >> a great instagram account though. >> great instagram account. but he was a celebrity. i think what we're looking at is how do you bring people who are actually workhorses who actually want to lead and are leading in
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other areas, how do you call them into service with the idea being, you don't have to do this for the rest of your life. that's what schock shows. not anything about millennials but about the unique ability to get really famous as a politician doing nothing. >> so it's about the kind of people who are currently attracted to politics. >> good abs are in the going to cut it. >> you find awesome people but getting them into aweoffice is tricky. let's say abby wanted to run for congress. what would you tell her to make her the best possible candidate? how would you coach her up? >> i'm listening very closely. >> so in 2016 we're going to run 12 people democrats and republicans both. we will train these folks. we'll give them mentorship. we'll bring in sort of policy work. we'll run their campaign. >> what is that training? krystal has talked about some of the advice she got when she was on the trail, some of it good some of it not so good. what would you tell abby? >> i think the first thing is to actually practice a new kind of politics in terms of being
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authentic and being a little more vulnerable. being able to actually connect yourself in a more human way to a new population of voters. i think that's one of the things that we've missed. so young people typically when they run for office they don't spend that much time connecting with young voters. i think one of the things that you can do is there's a real opportunity to really respond to the ethos of this generation and be more open, more actually focused on listening, more focused on being able to run a different kind of campaign. how can you use technology? how can you mobilize people in different ways? >> the problem, can you get through primaries being authentic? >> i was going to ask you, any announcement you want to make? >> oh not yet. not any time soon. that's good advice though. but this is something that is a concern of mine. with what you guys are doing, i think it's great to have young people out there running for office and being authentic and being real and talking about issues that young people care about. the question is, can that type of person resonate with the people that get out to vote like these primary voters? >> i would argue it certainly could.
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in primary voters you tend to have your most rabid -- in both parties. you have people on the democratic side, the liberals coming out. on the conservative side we saw what happened with eric kantor where you had the fire-right people. awe then tis-- authenticity is a personal quality. is absolutely is possible. the question i wanted to ask david about, you know, you kind of identified the problem. we need to get more millennials and young people involved. i'm interested in why we have that problem in the first place. there's very interesting numbers i want to ask you about. only 2.3% of students graduating in 2012 planned to work for the federal government. meanwhile, 43% of millennials actually volunteer regularly. there's a big disparity there where people want to do good they want to do these things but they don't believe in the core institutions, it seems like. i think there may be many reasons for that. they've come of age at a time where student loan debt is huge. they feel like you don't have as many options.
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the housing market is shot. the job market is difficult. what do you think is the cause of that lack of faith in core institutions and why they don't want to go into the government? >> if you look at the past ten years, it's not really been the greatest advertisement for, hey, you want to get things done you should run for office and get involved in the federal government. but i think at its core we have to remember that the united states government is one of the largest institutions for creating change in the world that exists. and it's a direct reflection of who chooses to get involved. i think in this period there's all these more attractive opportunities. people can go to silicon valley. they can go work at a nonprofit. they can go start their own nonprofit. and those are some of the leaders of this generation. they're not the people who sort of wanted to run for office their entire lives. they're the people who are doing other things. we really see it as framing this opportunity of what you could actually do serving in office which that case is not being made to those people. the case is being made, stay as far away from politics if you want to get something done.
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it seems to make a lot of sense. so that's part of why run for america exists to go out and actively encourage those people to think about that. >> what are some of the core issues? quickly, some of the core issues you want to see your candidates pushing? >> the biggest thing for us is how do we build a 21st century government? how do we build a government that's actually reflective of all the changes that have happened in the past decade? we look at people in congress aren't even using e-mail let alone understanding what the future looks like. and people who can actually solve the biggest challenges facing this generation. >> i love what you're doing. i think it's great. to be clear, i'm not running for office. i'm very, very happy here. >> so you are running. so there's a chance. >> really great advice for those thinking about running. thank you so much for being with us. still ahead, my thoughts on millennial aaron schock's fall from grace and the silver lining in that story. but next mutants in the olympics and the ability to turn brown eyes blue. the future of evolution has arrived. ♪ ♪ ♪ sustainable tea tree oil and kale... you, my friend, recognize when a trend has reached critical mass. yes, when others focus on one thing
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>> wonderful to be here. >> start by explaining this sort of crazy idea that you have in this book that evolution in a sense can happen over the course of one generation. the things that your grandparents and your parents do the conditions they're subjected to can actually change your dna. >> so one of the places we learned this is when the nazis were losing. as they were retreating they decided to starve the dutch. it was not only a cruel thing to do and barbaric thing to do but it affected kids who were just about to be born. those mothers had obviously kids who had lower birth weights, but they also -- those kids had kids who suffered these effects and grandkids who suffered these effects. we began to learn that evolution happens in realtime. it also happens with immigrants. so sometimes when immigrants go to other countries, their kids and their grandkids suffer the effect of that change. and in that context, it's important to understand just how much we're changing our lives as
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we move into cities as we change our diets, as we change our habits our sports. we use ipads. all the changes we live through. >> you talk about sports and it's fascinating and heartwarming to see science and evolution being able to combat the things like awe theismautism, the things nobody wants in society. what happens when the evolutionary impacted or biomedically changed folks start entering professional sports. that's going to change the whole thing, right? >> one of the strange things we found is if you don't have a specific gene you can't climb 8,000 feet without oxygen. some olympic athletes have efficient genes that allow them to absorb oxygen more efficiently. we can make the olympics a showcase for these units or you can say you get a tenth of a second head start. or as long as the changes are safe, you get to upgrade to compete on an equal basis with everybody else.
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but it's going to be our choice. >> let's not make the olympics like golf. >> i hope not. yes. i agree. >> and you talk about changing habits, and one of the things i've noticed is our obsession with being clean. i have friends and family members that use hand sanitizer all day long. talk to us about all, is there truth to the fact that somehow weakens our immune system. and then potentially leads to an increase in allergies. >> i think that's exactly right. you have situations where the hospital workers who were obsessively cleaning their hands with good reasons because hospital infections are more dangerous. they end up with more allergies. kids who live on farms, kids who have pets tend to have less allergies. as we learn how to redesign ourselves, as we change our environments, we change our body, and it's just think back to your great grandparents or your grandparents. did they ever ask people if they had a food allergies before they invited them to dinner?
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we wouldn't dream of asking somebody for dinner if we didn't ask that question. >> you also talk about how blue eyes might be a thing of the past. >> blue eyes are a very strange thing. it used to be we only went to school with and only met people who looked like us. and in the measure that we're traveling more and education becomes more universal, and in the measure we meet people from other places brown eyes tend to dominate blue eyes. so in genetic terms, blue eyes are tending to disappear. over the past few months, one of the things that has come up is a surgical procedure, that is not approved yet by the fda, that allows you to switch from brown eyes to blue eyes because underneath our brown eyes we have a blue layer. >> that's why babies are often times born with blue eyes and they change. >> that's exactly right. that means on one hand their genetics are going one direction. but the resign of our bodies our own evolution is going in another. >> you're teaching us so much about how evolution works. i got to ask you the poll theics
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question here, you're on the news. are you surprised in evolution itself, though, is still a controversial item for some republican candidates to acknowledge in 2013? >> the astonishing thing is they're debating things that were solved 150 years ago. i hi the really core question is what are we going to do with this power to resign ourself, every backteriabacteria, plant, animal in the world. >> the book is "evolving ourselves". juan, thank you so much. >> well thank you. >> more "cycle" up next. alright, so this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours, but aleve can last 12 hours...
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it sounds like the perfect political fairy tale.
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once upon a time there was a young, smart, good looking charismatic guy, just 28 years old, who decides he wants to run for congress in illinois. and he wins. a new fresh face. a washington outsider and on top of all of that, a brand new agenda to energize the party of quote, old white men. he was the it guy of d.c. the most promising young star that everyone wanted to be friends with. he was hip and cool and had a huge future ahead of him. aaron schock was unstoppable. quickly rising through the ranks of the house gop, and on his type off gracing the cover of men's health magazine. he wasn't just a respected lawmaker, he was one of the most eligible bachelors in the country. this week that fairy tale proved too good to be true. it all came crashing down. >> and another big story we're following this afternoon, the resignation of congressman aaron schock. >> that reaction is overwhelming surprise. how could a rising political star from here in peoria fall
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from grace so quickly? >> it all started a month ago when "washington post" reporter ben terrace noticed something different about his office. the office walls all pretty much look the same beige. with some offices decorated with family pictures o r maybe art from their home state. but what he found walking into schock's office was like nothing he had ever seen before. bright red walls. black candles, and this was just the outer office. so the woman sitting behind the front desk said, it's actually based off the red room in downtown abbie andlabama abby and then sid, do you want to see the rest in then more dramatic red walls, a large crystal chandelier and an elegant table propped up by two large eagles. something was not right about this picture. and then schock's communication director called the office frantically asking that he not take any pictures of the office. weird. really weird. and a clear sign there was much
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more to this story. and there it was. like so many politicians before him, as his prominence grew, so did his ego and arrogance and love for a fancy lifestyle. telling his constituency one thing and then craving the life of a celebrity. he got greedy. billing the government for $170,000 in mileage reimbursement on a car that only had 80,000 miles on it total. it's a sad, sad an embarrassing ending to what could have been. the untold story here though is the media. if it wasn't for the "washington post" reporter and his instincts to dig deeper into something that wasn't sitting right with him, schock would still be in the office continuing to take advantage of a job that many people trusted him to do. don't get me wrong, the media isn't always perfect. but this is a classic case of good old school journalism and a reminder of how important the role is in our democracy,
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pushing transparency and holding people accountable. when it comes to becauseabusing the power of government aaron schock won't be the first. have a great day. a manhunt is under way following the deadly terror attack in tunisia. the head of the secret service is grilled on capitol hill and president obama floats the idea of mandatory voting. but first, as benjamin netanyahu moves to form a government in israel, the u.s. may be stepping closer to a nuclear deal with iran. it's thursday, march 19th and this is now. >> america has no greater ally than israel. >> a draft nuclear deal with iran is now being circulated. the state department disputing the associated press report. >> we're hearing a lot of mixed messages. >> there is no draft document