evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from pensacola, florida. let's get to work. tonight -- >> why should president obama trust you when you came to congress to lobby against his negotiations with iran? >> i didn't mean any disrespect. >> plus -- >> it would be transformative if everybody voted. >> not voting is also a legitimate choice that some people make. >> it would completely change the political math in this country. >> that is their choice. >> and later -- >> it's not a partisan problem. the drought is a real problem. there will be more extreme weather events. >> and -- >> they dispatched us with a half truths you know. >> what we must not do is to sign up to get another bad free trade agreement. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. we start this evening with new developments on the iranian deal. secretary of state john kerry spoke to reporters about the

ongoing negotiations saying we are pushing some tough issues but we made progress. the associated press is reporting a draft of the agreement, limit iran to 6,000 centrifuges. it would also force iran to cut the amount of hardware to make the atomic bomb by some 40%. the agreement would phase out u.s. economic sanctions over time. the state department pushed back on the associated press report saying no draft document is being circulated. earlier today andrea mitchell sat down with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu in his first post-election interview. he continued to take a hard line against the iranian nuclear deal. >> i want to ask you about iran. why should president obama trust you, when you came to congress to lobby against his negotiations with iran. >> i think there's an unbreakable bond between israel and the united states. the president said that.

i've said that. >> what about between you and barack obama? >> i think that's reflected between the president of the united states and the prime minister of israel. we can have differences, but we have so this things that unite us. and we have a situation in the middle east that is very dangerous and presents a common challenge to us. >> has he called you yet to congratulate you on your victory? >> secretary kerry called me yesterday. i'm sure i'll be speaking to president obama soon. we'll work together. we have to. we have our differences on iran. by coming to the u.s. i didn't mean any disrespect or any attempt at partisan ship. i could endanger the survival of israel. it's my obligation to speak up there. but there's so many areas that we have to we must work together, will work together with the united states. and tw the president. and because we have no other alternative. we're allies. we have to consult each other, not have fiats or unilateral imposition. but negotiated peace with our neighbor and support between

allies, and america has no greater ally than israel. and israel has no greater ally than the united states. >> on iran the draft agreement would permit iran to have 6,000 centrifuges and that it would last for ten years or more. why isn't that better for israel? to freeze their program and have inspections, than the other options, which would be a military option which would only set them back a year or two. >> i think there are other options as well. i think they can get a better deal. i think the one that i would have to reduce iran's nuclear capabilities. so you increase the breakout time. if i had to vote on that negotiating team. i would say zero. i don't have a vote there. but i can only ask. >> i would say that is something that smaller number would love. and the e section thing, the most important thing, is lifting the restrictions on iran's

nuclear program would depend on iran's change of behavior. stop supporting terrorism. stop its aggression against just about every country in the region, and stop calling and threatening the annihilation of israel. i remain committed to that. i think it's the right policy. >> are you counting on republicans to kill the deal if it's one you don't like? >> i'm counting on people hearing my view and considering the dangers. not only to israel. across the broad spectrum. this is not a partisan issue. i receive edd very good feedback from both democrats and republicans in the united states and from many other places in the world, and many countries in the arab world. the orr thing i would say, andrea, is when arabs and israelis agree on something, it's worth paying attention. >> and your message to iran? >> for the people of iran we want peace with them.

they've been taken over by a regime that calls for destruction. i think it suppresses and brutalizes them as well. and the most important thing is that we prevent this regime from having atomic bombs to carry out their designs and destroy ez real and their fantasy of taking over the middle east and from there the world. you don't want the formal sponsor of global terrorism armed with atomic weapons. that's bad for everyone. >> and within just the last few minutes, president obama has called israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu to congrat congratulate him on his re-election. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think tonight. tonight' question -- will netanyahu be able to stop the united states-iran nuclear deal. text "a" for yes. text "b" for no. we'll bring you the results later in the show. for more on this david korn is with us tonight, washington bureau chief for mother jones.

and msnbc political analyst and rabbi back with us tonight, founder of this world, the values network. gentlemen, great to have you with us. joe, you first. i want to know what does this mean. 6,000 centrifuges and cutting hardware for bombs. if that is the deal is that a good deal? >> what i'm hearing from geneva is the ap story is ahead of the negotiations. there isn't a final deal yet, but we do expect one in days. maybe a week or more. and those are the levels we are looking at. a dramatic reduction in iran's centrifuge capabilities. the world powers led by america are insisting that iran cut back from the 2022 centrifuges that it has. the other centrifuges would be ripped up, moved away put in a box with a camera on it so we can watch to see if iran is cheating. if you do that you improve the

situation in israel, america. >> rabbi, your recollection to what is being discussed at that number and the technique for verification to make sure they don't cheat. your thoughts? >> this deal is surrender. it is appeasement. it's not a dramatic reduction. there are u.n. security council that call for none. iran lied to the world 12 queers. it was caught red handed. the u.n. stepped up and said they should have no nuclear program. how is 6,500 centrifuges, which is a military grade and industrial grade program, how is that a form of victory? and to have a one-year break-out period. are we going to trust a small group of inspectors to monitor a huge country with nuclear facilities being built underground to monitor the program with the greatest state sponsor of terrorism.

a country that doesn't need the energy because they're in oil superpower. they're doing this only to get bombs. we're giving them billions in frozen assets which they're going to use to continue their terrorist mayhem around the world. this is surrender. this is capitulation. it's a bad, bad deal for the united states and for israel. >> david korn what's the arena sound like tonight? how does it sound to you as it stands now? and your thoughts on the white house and reelected prime minister. >> well it's interesting to me their making progress on the deal, which may or may not come to fruition. we won't know until it's signed. at the same time that benjamin netanyahu has isolated himself and at least the government of israel. not just from the white house and barack obama. but also from the rest of the world with his statements about not believing in a two-state solution. although he tried to walk that back with andrea earlier today. and by his racist comments on election day.

i mean already israel was in a pretty lonely place with the u.s. being, of course its best friend. now it's even further isolated. so if anyone wants to take netanyahu at his word on anything, well, he just did two 180s in two days. and he's making racist remarks. he's no longer a credible participant. >> rabbi your response to that. the interview today with andrea mitchell was totally different than the speech given to congress. when you get reelected, you sound differently. what do you think? >> david, am i the only person on the panel a little bit confused as to why the leader of the free world, of all the the people he doesn't get along with, the leader of the only free country in the middle east? >> that's not what the prime minister said in the interview. rabbi, the prime minister underscored that we are allies. that there are a lot of things that president obama and the

prime minister agree on but i'm just pointing out that he sounds a lot more dogmatic in front of congress than he did in front of andrea mitchell. your thoughts? >> and what i'm responding to is this notion that president obama does not look favorably among prime minister netanyahu. how is it that our president has a good relationship with the leader of turkey who lets everybody go in to fight for isis. he pays his respect to the king abdullah. and what has netanyahu done? he's given speeches -- >> why is he disliked so much? >> i'll tell you what he did. he came before congress r gave a speech, and he called the president of the united states naive, and he tried to undermine his diplomatic efforts. he could have done that in a lot of different places. he did it right in congress. he made common causes with the arch enemies. that's what he did. it was low class. he also alienated himself from a lot of liberal american jews who

actually care about the president. which may not be a category you're in. >> that may be true, but did he solidify the republican base? that was really his mission. he knows who his allies are in congress, and so looking at what is all unfolded joe, you have boehner asking netanyahu to come speak. i guess he could put up a mission accomplisheded banner and now he's softened his position in dealing with president obama. what do you make of it? >> he's trying to back pedal, but it's too late. i think he won a victory by running a racist fear mongering campaign, but it's a peer victory. he's now a greatly diminished figure. he's become a george wallace type figure on the political scene. that's not the worst thing he did. the worst thing he did was completely undermine the u.s. position defending israel and other nations. >> what does that mean joe? >> it means the united states is

less capable of blocking the kinds of resolutions that every other country has supported. we've been saying leave it to the palestinians to work it out. mr. netanyahu completely reject rejected this. it makes it extremely difficult for president obama and john kerry to convince others to hold back. you'll see a lot more as a result. mr. netanyahu undermined israel's security with the kind of campaign he read. >> can i say to david and joe, let's not be ridiculous here. you guys are worried about issues of protocol and did netanyahu say the perfect thing. we're talking about iran threatening the jews 70 years after the holocaust with annihilation. not once but like every monday and thursday. we're talking about the ayatollah economy tweeting. and he called the president new york eve. we wish that did not have to happen -- >> david, what's your response

to that? it's not that he just called him naive. he undercut his lead diplomatic infish in initiative initiative. it seems me perhaps your position is ultimately there has to be war with iran. >> no. no. >> that really seems to be the implication. >> well, what is it? >> my position -- my position is clear. what we saw with the munic agreement of 1938 is a deal that was bad was worse than no deal. we don't need a deal right now, we have to increase sanctions. >> other countries won't do that. >> justin, whatever happens, it's verification. can we trust the iranians. can there be some safe mark benchmarks put in place that we absolutely know if the number is 6,000 there will be no cheating? >> i don't trust the iranians. i don't know anybody who does trust the iranians. why would you trust them? it's all about verification.

it's all about inspections. and as susan rice, national security adviser says this deal is based on distrust and verified. and yes, you can do it. when i watch this space. when you see this deal it's going to be an unprecedented level of inspections. >> joe have you heard of north korea? have you heard of north korea? gentlemen, we have to leave it there. we'll have you back for another spirited discussions. thank you so much for the talk tonight. remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts with us on twitter and facebook. you can get my video podcast at wegoted.com. coming up senator marco rubio has a curious case of voting apathy. where did that come from? plus lies damn lies and the tpp. we'll talk with members of congress fresh off a fact finding meeting on the secret trade deal. stay with us, we're right back on "the ed show." .

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welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. democrats claim there's nothing but lies. the sales pitch is on. ambassador michael froman met with members about the trade deal on wednesday. >> in their desperation to pick up 30 to 40 democrats, which is what they think they need that they dispatched us with half truths, you know con fablated statistics and they hid the whole picture. it was early in the morning. i guess they figured we weren't listening or watching. gl the obama administration just granted unlimited access to tpp

documents. congresswoman says it's too little, too late. >> they have been working at this for four and a half years. and now they have come because they know the fast track is in jeopardy, they know that this treaty is in jeopardy and say, oh, we would like to have you read the text. but, it's classified. >> so what it comes down to is the obama administration is making a last ditch effort to get enough votes on the democratic side to appease the house and make this thing go through. members say the votes are still not there. nafta's mistakes will be rectified. and once the deal is done it's done. there's no turning back. congress cannot make amendments to protect american workers, and they are going to be left powerless. >> in exchange for fast tracking bills, congress is supposed to set the negotiating objectives.

sadly these objectives are nonbinding, and so they can be rendered meaningless. >> and so the democrats are saying, and those who oppose the tpp and those having fast tract is this trade deal this trade promotion authority would threaten food safety affordable medicine and american jobs. corporations get a payout. the middle class gets left in the cold. but the white house is simply not seeing it that way. they want this deal and they're in the 11th hour down the stretch to try to get it to happen. joining me tonight, congressman peter defasio of gone and debbie dingle of michigan. congressman, you first. we've had this conversation in the past. now you have seen firsthand some information. did it change your mind at all about what's unfolding here? >> well if i listen to the half truths and i didn't know the facts, might have been convincing.

hoe said korea is a wonderful success that has created jobs in the auto industry. we have exported 20,000 more cars to korea. i said well how many more cars have that they exported to the u.s. since the agreement went into effect? he said well i don't have that information. well, it's 460. so 20,000 u.s. cars there. 460 more here. >> so let me get this straight. >> sounds like a net job loss. >> you mean to tell me the person doing the deal didn't know the the statistics and the numbers from the last deal that was supposed to be so great when you called them on it. >> they only look at exports. that's all they want to talk about. they don't admit that it's the deficit that counts that is the balance. if you export 20,000 autos and import a million, you're losing jobs. >> congresswoman, it seems to me and kreblgt mecorrect me if i'm wrong, the white house is only doing because they need votes.

isn't that p somewhat condescending? what's your take on that? >> well, i'm totally with my colleague here enand having very strong about this in the beginning. i'm standing up for the working men and women of my state. they're not telling us. we're not supposed to know about this. >> but i want to know about the white house, congresswoman. it seems like no one in congress was given any information until the white house recognized hey wait a minute, we don't have the votes. don't you feel like you're being used there. >> absolutely. >> i wish they had been talking to us for a long time. i was begging for information as i was being sworn in. when you do raise the issue of currency manipulation, which by the way with the yen gives $8,000 cost advantage per vehicle, that the japanese or toyota is making more money on currency manipulation than ford

is in worldwide manipulations, there's a problem. and the white house doesn't want to talk about that. >> congress man, what about this? peter, goi to ask you this. did you come out of that meeting thinking hey, this is classified. nobody can know this. is this really classified information? >> well, we're only talking about what we heard in the open session. we're not talking about the classified session. i didn't go to that. people who went say they didn't say anything different in the classified than the open session. so we're not revealing anything. but on currency manipulation, which is a big deal to disadvantage us. chinese, japanese and others don't want to include that because wall street doesn't want it included. they see a new profit center for them by dealing with the currency speculation. and when they get entry into these markets. >> congresswoman, can your mind be changed? congresswoman dingell, can you change your mind on this?

is there a way to go with the president on this? >> not unless he includes currency manipulation in the trade agreement. they made it clear they're not going to. i know who sent me to washington to represent them. they're being screwed by the trade agreement. >> but it doesn't address state disputes. isn't that a big issue as well. >> go ahead. >> no, you go ahead. >> yeah well i can't talk about that. the the investor state provisions, if they reflect past agreements are egregious. it lows corporations to have to have the standings of governments and sue us for environmental laws labor protections and say that those things are impeding on their profits or anticipated profits. take us before a secret tryibunatribunal

and we have to pay them penalties or change the longs. zbll and finally congressman defazio, where is nancy pelosi on this? and why isn't she more vocal? and if the democrats in the house are so concerned about middle class jobs they ought to be screamg from the top of the capitol on this. your thoughts on that? >> well our leadership is a bit divided. i believe that leader pelosi is thus far opposed. but our whip steny hoyer, is in favor. so there's a split. and usually the caucus doesn't take a decision. there's about, as usual, 85% of us opposed to it. and they're fighting over getting a few democrats. every one of these agreements has been a massive majority of republicans and a small minority of democrats, and they're fighting tooth and nail to get that small minority to bite that off, to pit spit those

people out. >> leader pelosi was very strong in pushing the administration to answer the questions directly. i think she's try thod be a leader but i've been struck at how strong she is trying to lead us. >> don't you fi if nancy pelosi was front and center in front of the cameras, i would without have a major impact on the deal. >> i think her first responsibility is to make sure she has the facts to make the right decision. i think she sees where her caucus is going in making the right decision. >> i think she's the leader of the democrats and the house. and i have immense respect for her. she's a great political leader. i think on this issue, there should be more forcefulness, and that's just my take on it. congresswoman, great to have you with us debbie dingell and peter defazio. coming up, the power of the pen. stay tuned. we're right back. g new always discreet underwear for sensitive bladders, from always. with soft, dual leakguard barriers

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>> not voting. is that an advocate for not voting? republicans know they're out of touch with american people. instead of coming up with policies that better address the issues, they restrict access to the voting booth and discourage broader participation. that's not what a democratic free society looks like. joining me tonight, nina turner. good to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. >> this is just falling right in line with all of the fights that you have had in ohio when you talk about getting people out to vote. now rubio is saying it's a good idea not to vote and it's a choice. what do you make of that? >> ed, it's laughable. but it's sad. to have someone that runs for office for a living that relies on people to come out to vote to say that it is a legitimate choice not to vote in a representative democracy, and the fact that he said he wished more people would vote i wish he would get that memo out to his republican colleagues and legislatures and secretaries of

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you know exactly what they did in the state of ohio. they put up barriers to democracy all around this country in states like ohio was no different as they took away golden week, as you know took away opportunities. sued all the way to the united states supreme court to take away the last three days of voting. they are scared of the people. they know people power beats money every single time. and listening to the president talk about the merits of voting was very powerful. and he also said that my department of justice will be there. i hope to see president obama talk more about that every time he gives a speak about the power of the vote. i agree with 99.9% of what he said. but stay on it. stay on it. we cannot have that. >> i will. and i appreciate that. nina turner former state senator of ohio keep up the fight, my friend. >> thank you. >> another executive order has been signed by the president. i'm all about it. i think it's the right thing to

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by 40%. the executive order also ramps up the use of renewable energy sources to 30% of the federal government's consumption. >> last year the federal government used less energy than at any time in the past four decades. these are ambitious goals, but they're achievable goals. >> the taxpayers could save up to $18 billion in electricity costs by reducing greenhouse gases by 40% over the next decade. senator, great to have you with us tonight. i want your reaction if i could, to president obama's executive order. is this going to be, a game changer of sorts. and should there be more of it? >> i think what the president is saying by reducing greenhouse gases by 40% that the federal government would have omitted, he's saying to china. he's saying to other countries in the world.

and the government of the united states is dead serious about this issue. and when the world meets in paris in december in this year to put together a global agreement, the president is saying the united states will be able to sit at the table with credibility because of this counter play of things that the president is now doing. >> well this country seems to be dealing with denyers far more than anybody else on the globe. i hear you just came straight from a meeting with prince charles about climate change. what did you talk about? >> prince charles, of course in great britain, has been a voice for dealing with climate change because of its impact on the health of individuals on the planet, the impact on the poorest countries in the world, and he analogizes it to a sick planet. where there are no emergency rooms for sick planets, and as a result we have to put the preventive measures in place in order to deal with it.

and it's much more vehicles that we drive. and it's all there to be done and the prince mentioned very strongly that we can create massive numbers of jobs. in other words, we can save all of creation while engaging in massive job creation. it's not a choice. you can do both and the united states under president obama is proving that that is possible. >> senator markey great to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time so much. let me bring in a senior vice president government affairs for the league of conservation voters. also with us tonight, john wood president of coal blue project. great to have you both with us. mr. wood your thoughts on what the president is doing. taking this action the executive order action to limit what we're going to be seeing as a big reduction.

>> thank you very much for having me here tonight. i really appreciate it. the coal blue project is a coalition of democrats who are advocates for coal but also somewhat -- some people find it surprising, we are also advocates for real action on climate. and the point that we constantly strive to make is that we have to be realistic about how we're going to approach the issue and there are essentially three legs to the climate stool. we need to increase energy efficiency, as senator markey just said. we also need to increase the use of non-fossil fuels. renewables and nuclear. but the third leg of the stool largely ignored today, is the development and deployment of technologies that can manage the carbon mitigate the carbon from fossil fuels, from coal and natural gas. and our main point is if we're going to be serious about climate change we need to get serious about ccs. >> what about that?

what john just said? a lot of democrats said it shouldn't be in the equation. >> our feeling is we have relied on coal and oil if far too long. it's thrilling to see him show such leadership. one thing particularly exciting about today's announcement is the president is partnering with the biggest in the world, like ibm and ge who are taking steps to cut their our carbon pollution. this is win win win. this is going to save taxpayers billions of dollars. anything to being very important for protecting the planet. we're really excited about it all around. >> mr. wood is there clean coal? i mean coal is dirty, isn't it? it just seems like the democrats who are pro coal have got coal fired plants in the backyard. this is an election equation in this, too. your response to that? >> well one, keep in mind those coal fired plants are

across the country. we still get 40% of electricity from coal. the world gets 40% of electricity from coal. we have dramaticallies are dramatically lowered those pollutant emissions over the last several decades. but again, we just come back to the reality. coal will be with us for decades. and if you take the international energy agency and their world outlook from 2014 they project out to 2040. and how do we keep the concentrations to 450 parts per million. they project coal will still be the third largest fuel in the world in 2040. and if we don't have that technology, it blows a hole in how we address the climate issue. >> we have made advances. there's no question about it.

in carbon sequestration. no question about it. i've seen it in the dakotas. but if we're at that point, 40 years from now. we could be in real trouble. i mean it's the emissions. even within the computer model. there isn't clean coal. we got to find other -- i'm not saying it's not part of the equation. but the energy package will have to become much more diversified than it is right now. john, we're going to have you back. good to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. coming up ad nausea. a look at the post citizens world of political blitz and how it's shaping up the country. stay with us. we're back. obably do you feel fear? what's the closest you've ever come to death? they're boring. i have a website because i need a way to put myself forward in my own way. this is my story and this is how i want to share it with people. i'm alex honnold and this is my squarespace.

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two more years. and more media waves, thanks to citizen united. unlimited cash means unlimited advertising. a group look at local newscasts in philadelphia. the numbers are simply staggering staggering. in the final eight weeks, viewers saw 45 times more political ads than actual stories on political issues. that means for every minute of replyial news coverage viewers got 45 minutes of paid propaganda. in their own way, there's more money and political campaigns than ever before and they're take home the overyelping majority of it. a whopping 80% of political ad spending. with numbers like that the offers of the study say journalism never had a fighting

chance. joining muss tonight, two great journalists, james warren. also with you tonight a jonathan alter. great to have you with us. >> gentlemen, were you surprised by this? you first, your thoughts on these numbers. >> i also know political reality has alleges been bought. targeted direct mail television and now the internet quality journalism has always been dwarfed. what are the differences today? partly as a result of citizen united the staggers sums that you alluded to. when you look at local coverage it looks like lesser and lesser political coverage as you've

got, i think, a in species of lohse believes that politics is boring, and you know it well of crash and murders and sports and weather with smiling bob and sally, and there you go the sumpses is folks aren't interested in it but that's the marketplace reality. >> jonathan isn't there a real potential problem here that all of the sudden the sales department starts running the local news department that maybe we don't want to run this stories. because this cant might be spenting a lot of money? what about that? >> well that can happen but if they're not run dern and they don't like negative stories anyway, i don't the younger

generation srcht watching local news. the future is internet ads, the way they do it in israel, interesting. if your add isn't clever enough it doesn't cut through. it depends on how clever the ads are. that's at least a marginal unit -- that doesn't mean we don't have terrible trouble with big money in politics. in terms of the ads, i think we're we're. well, james, what about

influence? do these ads work? . most americans get most of their news from for opines and hosts on capable television. whether it's to appeal realty overtly or to attempt to -- ignorant electoral, it's having clearly some impact and a fascinating test case as you guys can appreciate john being from chicago, it will be april 7th when we have the run offfrom mayor emanuel, and a chuy garcia. garcia doesn't have much. if rahm emanuel wins, there will be a perception that it had something to do with jacking up

turn justify on his behalf. if garcia wins it will raise real questions about the limits of such seemingly limitless television spending. >> just all the growth though, jim, is people getting the skulls from karabell and numbs for all those potential candidates out there, the really crazy thing is when they hire consultants to take a percentage of the media bite. anybody who does that -- should have his head examined because those guys have a real invested interests. in these natural elections, fortunate the impact of television ads is coming down. >> okay. james warren jonathan alter,

appreciate the time tonight. thank you for joining us. that is "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. \s. >> good evening, ed. i'm live in chicago tonight. breaking news tonight. we're awaiting a statement from the attorney for 20-year-old martis johnson. he's the 20-year-old university of virginia student whose arrest is making national headlines. it was this picture that went viral, showing his face bloodied while handcuffed this week that is triggering protests around uva and renewing questions about policing in this country. the incident occurring early wednesday morning outside a bar near campus. two agents from the department of alcoholic beverage control made an