to score, garcia for the tie! no! and arkansas hangs on. >> davis. no! for the lead. no good. north carolina survives! >> with the drive. at the buzzer it's over. ohio state will advance to the round of 32. five seconds to go. moore.

missed it. >> from midcourt. no good! georgia state was the upset. >> there's the throw. just a touch. there we go. clock down to eight. spencer almost lost it. ford jackson got a hand. taken away by august. and a foul by north eastern. a little turn around. and it goes! nc state on top! >> march madness begins. boy, a lot of them went down to the final buzzer mike. great games. a lot of really bad brackets. a lot of great games. >> yeah. >> i had a bad day. >> it was unbelievable. lead story, man. "new york times," i mean can anybody believe this? benjamin netanyahu, after promising in the final weeks

that he was going to, you know pull off -- go away from two-state solution on@andrea mitchell" now saying he is supporting the two-state solution. can you think of a turn around that quickly in politics in this country or anywhere? >> no. >> i cannot. in response to your question can anybody believe this i think there are several people in washington, d.c. who can believe it based on the premise that they strongly believe and have believed bibi netanyahu is a liar. >> as president obama would say, prime minister benjamin netanyahu showed some hutzpah. >> would he say that? is that what they say in chicago? >> prominent west bank leader is quoted in the "wall street journal" what netanyahu diz, quote, was disorienting and zigzagging. >> as i said on this show a couple days ago only nixon could go to china, only reagan could pass the arms control agreements the way he did. i just didn't expect it to turn around this quickly.

>> accelerated pace of it was stunning. two days. >> stunning. we're going to get into this story now and to help us out there we've got in washington senior foreign affairs correspondent for politico michael crowley and the president and ceo of the national urban league mark more yell. the white house is not letting up on benjamin netanyahu. this is ugly. he called the prime minister two days after his re-election victory and he congratulated netanyahu. but the president also doubled down on key american positions that have put the two allies at odds. reports say the white house is re-evaluating its attire approach to the middle east peace talks after netanyahu's latch ditch campaign pledge to reject a two-state solution. well, he's backtracked on that position and he did it yesterday with our own andrea mitchell. >> i don't want a one-state solution. i want a sustainable, peaceful two-state solution. but for that circumstances have

to change. >> but you were re-elected on a mandate, certainly israeli voters, your supporters believe you were re-elected on a mandate against a two-state solution. that is the way the white house is interpreting. they're strongly considering not blocking a vote for statehood for palestinians. >> first of all that state would become a terrorist state so need the conditions of a recognition of a jewish state and real security in order to have a re realistic two-state solution. >> didn't he say something in 2009 where he talked about very voongly he supported the two-state solution, then at the end of the campaign he was against the two-state solution and now he's for the two-state solution? >> oddly enough i have that direct quote. >> no way. >> 2009 -- >> you carry this around with you. >> yes. >> you love peace. >> every day. >> i'm a peacemaker. >> that's what they say. >> 2009 quote, in my vision of peace in this small land of ours two peoples live freely side by

side in amity and mutual respect. that was prime minister netanyahu in 2009. in 2015 in a speech prior to the election, i think anyone who is going to establish a palestinian state today and evacuate lands is giving attack grounds against the radical i slam against the state of israel. >> michael crowley, it makes perfect sense, doesn't it? >> joe, in a way, maybe it does. if you think about benjamin netanyahu as an extremely calculating his critics would say cynical politician who sends a different message to a different audience at a different time depending on who is pressuring him the most. so in 2009 you had a new american president who had, as a big priority the peace process and i think netanyahu felt it was important for him to show his willingness to participate and to play along. he may support a two-state solution in principle so he can say those words. but as a practical matter and

this is what he says to his domestic audience conservatives who make up his base and particularly in the heat of a hot election well, it's a nice idea but we can't do it right now. and what people in the obama administration will say is for him, it's never right now. it's never the right time. >> it's never the right time. and more than one high-ranking state department official and administration official will accuse him of cowardest, time and time again. something you hear constantly from the white house. the white house is also whacking netanyahu for the comments he made about israeli arabs right as voters were heading to polls. >> i think that it is certainly a pretty cynical tactic and it is -- there's no doubt it's divisive. and at pretty transparent attempt to marginalize arab israeli as citizens and their right to participate in the election. >> i find this incredible because i understand if i were in the white house i would be really angry. no doubt i would be angry, angry

about the speech i would be angry about netanyahu not meeting with democrats. i mean you could -- so i don't want anybody to misread me. the white house has all the reasons in the world to be angry at benjamin netanyahu's cynicism. i totally get it. but the election is over. this is the man you are going to be working with for two more years. if you want a peace deal after he's elected you is k. sit there and grit your teeth and let somebody ask you a question and then well, we'll just let the israeli voters decide and let them know, off the record that you're pissed off. let them know off the record that you will never forget and you will never trust the man. i'm really shocked they said that on the record. he's been elected. they want a peace deal. you kind of need to leave that behind, don't you? >> and it's america's strongest ally in the region by far and yet josh earnest from the podium just almost gratuitously, again, as you said plenty of reasons to be upset --

>> every reason to be angry. >> but i don't see why it's in the u.s. interest to be doing this unless they just don't have any interest in dealing with the israeli government anymore. >> mike barnicle? >> i'd like to ask michael crowley about that point. michael, do you think that the part of the strategy now within the state department and within the white house is that they feel freer to go after specifically prime minister netanyahu separately from the israeli government? >> yeah i do mike. and you know i think that we can't underestimate the degree to which there's just a personal xras operation. they've bitten their tongue not always, but they've bit their tongue a little bit. for instance during the gaza conflict the u.s. was quite supportive. we were cautioning israel about civilian casualties but that was one of those moment where's we said this is a close ally. but now they're just letting it rip. >> what do they gain by just letting it rip? again, i totally understand why

they're angry at this man. but he's also president of the united states. he's also an indispensable partner in the middle east peace. i mean, listen -- >> and he's there for the duration of the obama administration. >> by the way, would you like to get some quotes from the palestinian and some actions from the palestinians that were going to force netanyahu to sit down with? >> yeah. >> we get some problems on both sides here. we have to rise above this? yes, no? >> i know there are a lot of people following this story that they're upset that there's not been enough discussion about what the palestinians have been up to, the palestinian authority have formed a governing coalition alive with hamas now which we consider a terrorist group. there is certainly plenty of blame to go around. the last thing i would add to your calculus here netanyahu is never going to be applauding these iran talks and this iran deal but it will be the case we want to talk him down a little bit if and when we have one. so that problem is only going to get worse for obama the more there's -- they're arguing with

each other. >> i don't understand it. mark, let me ask you. what are your thoughts about this? obviously ben has changed his tune time and time again. don't you have to be quiet and kind of yell at him behind the scenes? >> two ways to look at it. one way is he flipped flop and another way is he realized the error of his ways because now that he's been re-elected keeping the peace process going is in his domestic political best interest. i think what happens -- what's happened with this very important relationship is that once he sort of plunges into domestic u.s. politics, there's also an incentive for the u.s., and i think the comments around about the arab voters a precedent has been set. i think the relationship needs to be reset. perhaps by a meeting between the prime minister and the president of the united states to get the relationship back on track now that the elections are over. >> boy, i agree with you 100%.

let's turn to the university of virginia virmg virginia. there's growing outrage on the campus of use of force concerning the arrest of 20-year-old honor student this week. mar martise johnson appeared at a press conference but he didn't speak. instead he issued a statement through his attorney. investigateors are still trying to figure out what happened between him and officers on wednesday night that led to that ugly moment that captured in photos. gabe gutierrez has more. what's going on? >> joe, the student's attorney stresses he did not provide a fake id outside this bar. but now there's a criminal investigation under way into what happened here. >> he's bleeding! yo, his head is bleeding. >> reporter: this video obtained by the university of virginia student newspaper shows officers arrested third year student johnson outside on irish pub early wednesday morning. >> i go to uva.

i go to uva. i go to uva. [ bleep ]. >> reporter: that's johnson on the ground yelling. but we go to uva. [ bleep ]. >> reporter: in virginia the state enforces liquor laws and alcohol control agents say the 20-year-old johnson, a member of uva's honor committee, was detained after being denied entry to the bar. according to the arrest warrant johnson was agitated and blinlg rent and now charged with obstruction of justice without force and public intoxication. >> about 1,000 students protest ed johnson who received ten stitches after the arrest addressed to crowd. >> we're part of one community and we deserve to respect each other. >> reporter: even the university's president had strong words. >> this is not something that should ever happen. i don't know why it happened. >> reporter: outrage on campus. >> no one is safe. no matter what we do, no matter

how smart we are, no matter hoe we dress, how we act, how we talk, we're still seen as black people. >> reporter: the governor ordered an independent state police investigation. >> as parent. i speak for all the parents, those pictures are very very disturbing. >> with johnson by his side his lawyer spoke out. >> martice has received an outpouring of encouragement and remorse from professors administrator, university official, students community members, and even perfect strangers. >> reporter: virginia's department of alcohol, beverage control has been under scrutiny before. the state last year reached a settlement with a uva student who in 2013 was arrested after the water she bought was mistaken for beer. >> marc morial there are some positive signs. martice saying we're all part of one community. that's positive. you heard the heartbreaking quote from the young woman on campus who said no matter what we do no matter how we dress,

no matter how smart we are we're always just looked at as black students, the color of our skin. joe, this young man is the best of the best. >> yes, he is. >> at one of the best schools in the united states university of virginia jefferson. popular on campus well-known campus. it's shocking. it's disappointing. i just can't understand he apparently was probably attending a st. patrick's day celebration at the pub and he ends up basically physically beat up. this is just unfortunate example of this relationship between law enforcement agencies and young unarmed black men. >> how is the xhaunity community responding right now? >> i think the community, the governor, the president of the university, and the students

the outpouring of support for this young man i think is positive. what i hope is it will create a conversation, healing, understanding. university campuses value asset for young people who will play leadership roles throughout life in this nation. so it needs to be a learning moment for that campus and for campuses across the nation. >> all right. marc, thanks so much. much more ahead. please stay with us. coming up, a discovery in mississippi that's more than disturbing. a man missing for nearly a month is found hanging from a tree and the justice department is now getting involved. also we're going to be playing more of mark halperin's compelling focus group with voters in new hampshire. these things are fascinating. yesterday we find out that jeb has some trouble. so a lot more -- not a single person in the focus group says they're going to vote for him, mark. that was stunning. and then some pretty stunning hillary observations on just how much they've been following some of these stories. >> yep. and also we're going to look t

what they think of rand paul and scott walker. a lot of enthusiasm. plus we have former cia director michael hayden. he's going to be our guest later this hour. always look forward to that. and the money party is back, baby. our old friend dylan ratigan stopping by to say it's a money party, it's a money party, and the links some parents will go to keep their kids in school and get them good grades. i wish my parents would have done that for me in college. but first, here's bill karins with a check of the forecast. bill, five inches of snow possibly today? >> and then all melts. it will melt quickly on saturday. we need to get through it today. already the snowflakes are coming down outside your window north of d.c. baltimore is 34 and snow. the roads may be all right but you're doing to have to deal with the secondary roads and the bridges and over passes. careful driving. let's get to the maps. snowfall forecast first off, state college to harrisburg to

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fbi investigation is under way this morning in the case of a mississippi man found hanging from a tree. according to a source in the justice department the civil rights division is looking into it. investigators spent thursday gathering evidence but they haven't concluded whether the man's death was a suicide or a homicide. the mississippi chapter of the

naacp identified the man as 54-year-old otis byrd missing since march 2nd. he was last seen at a casino near vicksburg, mississippi. he did that earlier this month. his family filed a missing persons report six days later and his body found less than a mile from his home. local police and the fbi are going door to door today interviewing residents and others who knew him. in 1980 bird was convicted of murdering a woman and spent over 25 years in prison and not so long ago, let's bring in msnbc national correspondent joy reid, following the story. not so long alo in mississippi, joy, there was another case like this you tell us some people jumped to conclusions. ended up that it was actually a suicide. so you're saying this morning officials are taking a wait and see approach? >> i spoke with the head of the mississippi branch of the naacp. when the claiborne county branch of the naacp contacted the statewide branch they then

became involved. derek johnson who is the head of the naacp there said they're careful because there was that previous case where there was a hanging and it alarmed a lot of people it turned out to be a suicide. in this case they're withholding judgment. there is a fair amount of trust in the local sheriff. the local sheriff is the immediate past president of the claiborne county,in aacp. so there's a lot of trust in the local authorities. now you do have the fbi going door to door. they've spoken with the family. they're speaking with local residents. you can see from those images you showed it's a very rural area. it's about 45 miles from jackson, and so it's a very small area very heavily wooded. but local people from what i understand right now are taking a wait and see approach. >> marc morial what's the position? >> that's the absolute -- >> what's your organization's position? >> absolute right position is to take a wait and see attitude and certainly the incident reminds

us of that awful period in american history in the early part of the 20th century when there were thousands of lynchings. but i think we need to be careful here not to rush to judgment. but we need to be vigilant. we need to ensure that this investigation is thorough and indeed complete. but just the image and the thought of someone being hung from a tree shocks our conscience. >> you know, joy, you said something interesting when you came onset today talking about the uva case because mike asked you off camera. was this a charlottesville police? you say it's an agency that has a pretty bad reputation. >> right. this is an agency that specifically tasks with alcohol enforcement enforcement. it's a very specific sort of police force that i believe it does answer to the state. it is not a local police force. i've just had in my twitter time people saying take a look at them. they have a reputation that is not the best reputation. but i don't know of any previous

incidents like this. i think that this incident specifically with those pictures and those images that were being tweeted out extensively yesterday focus odd than agency and i think that's one of the things that i certainly would be interested in knowing more about. >> no doubt about it. thank you, joy. greatly appreciate it. stay with us while we look at some of the morning papers this morning from bloomberg, the man suspected of phoning threats against u.s. ambassador caroline kennedy has been arrested in japan. he's been identified as a 52-year-old from the island of okinawa. nbc news has not yet confirmed his identity. that's a good thing because i don't have to butcher his name the reports of threats surfaced two weeks ago after the u.s. ambassador to south korea was slashed by a man in seoul. the state department says the threats in japan began before ambassador mark lippert was attacked. mike obviously this family has lived with obviously such tragedy through the years. and you just -- you fear even when she's in a role like this that even her last name makes her a target. >> it does. it's always there. >> yeah. >> it's always there.

>> it's always there. we thank her for her service. mike, what are they saying in honolulu. >> i thought you would ask me my favorite newspaper. the "star advertiser? >> it better be a story if it's coming out of hawaii about "magnum pi." >> i have it. a close friend of president obama is the new owner of a lunlg rouse hawaiian property made fame mus on "magnum pi." a businessman from chicago reportedly bought the three-acre property for $8.7 million. the robin's nest was the fictional home of tom sell lech's title character. the mansion was built in 1933 and boasts five bedrooms a boathouse, tennis courts and a woman's bath house. i've stayed there many times. >> i think somebody bought it for him. daily mail fifa confirming the 2022 world cup will be moved from summer to winter. unfres dented move means final

will take place on december 18th, the national day of host country qatar. the tournament has drawn controversy that they received bribes. >> move it out of there. >> they're not accusations. >> i would be shocked. >> they're not accusations. they were factual bribes. >> yeah. >> it shouldn't be there. a thousand reasons why it shouldn't be there. >> a thousand reasons and there's a thousand reasons why the man who runs fifa should be thrown in jail for the rest of his life. it's the most corrupt organization. the world and americans watch every four years. they're excited about the world cup, joy, and they go wait a second, this is a corrupt organization to its core. qatar, just a straight payoff. at least the one in 2018 is going to a place where they don't have bribes. putin's russia. >> the world cup and christmas isn't right. >> this casts such a dark shadow

on fifa. only, 3% of the people out there care. "the washington post," parents in eastern india are going to new heights to help their children do well in school. in this case, they decided to scale a school building to help them cheat on tests. this video shows students' family and friends climbing more than five stories clinging to ledges topaz notes to their children more than 600 students have been expelled in the region over the last few days for cheating. >> how much do you love me dad? >> this is real. >> not very it. >> this is real. you know what i think if we're going to show that piece out of india, i think it's a perfect segue, marc morial you asked if it's real, to one of our favorite all-time moments in "morning joe" history. this what was happening to those children like is a years ago. their parents were throwing them actually. do you remember that? >> i do. >> not exactly sure how that helps the children.

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with us onset we have the founder and president of you're asia group and editor at large ian bremer and former director of the nsa and cia retired general michael hayden now a principal with the chernoff group. it's great to have you here. we can't call isis isis anymore, can we? it's not just the islamic state in syria. now it's the islamic state in syria, it's in iraq libya, tune anybody shah paris. this ask a malignancy that's spreading, isn't it? >> no, ths.it is. we've been able to cap it a bit in its heartland in iraq and syria. at least in iraq the expansion has stopped. we're punishing them through air strikes. like-minded folks, inspired folks by isis are now popping up in a lot of places joe. as tragic as the attack was in tunis, it wasn't unexpected. >> and why wasn't it unexpected? >> well, we see this spillover

of the -- for want of a better word -- energy that the islamic state is creating. you've got like-minded folks trying to replicate what they've done trying to steal the brand, the power of the brand that isis has established. >> so we have the copycats whether they're in paris or whether they're in tunis. but let's talk about the heart of isis. you're right, we have beat them back some. there's still a battle for tikrit. how do you rate our success in iraq pushing isis back? are they in retreat for the most part on the battlefield? >> no. i wouldn't say in retreat, joe. i would say we have stabilized the front, corrected it a bit. now as you mentioned, we've got the attack on tikrit which is going slowly suffering a lot of casualties. but, joe, even if the iraqis are successful there, it might be a very pirik victory. in essence what you've got there at the heart of the attacking

force are shia militia being led by iranian officers trying to take over a predominantly sunni town. that's not a solution. that's simply adding to the long-term problem. >> yeah. ian bremer would you agree a? >> i agree it's not a solution in the sense it's going to take a brong timelong time to build sunni militias to retake their own territory. precisely because they don't have the economic wherewithal on the ground. that was one of the reasons they were so sympathetic to radicalization to begin with. but the fact is i think isis as a state, its days are numbered. they've got 30,000 men under arms. paying them 300 to 500 bucks a month. they're going to run out of money. they're not getting the oil cash anymore. not any banks in mosul for them to take cash out of. >> and for the most part the things are not paying anymore because foreign governments have decided they're not going to do it. >> that's right.

and we saw how that hasn't helped the prime minister abe potentially negotiate behind the scenes there, didn't go anywhere. the concept of isis, of course is growing significantly. this hit on tunis as much as it may have been expected. frankly, it wasn't expected by the tourists. they've been coming in this is the one country where we actually had a democratic government that had been established. it's a government with both the seculars and islamists together. and suddenly it's not a major oil producing nation tourism is going to get crushed there. the economy is going to take a big negative hit. the same things that brought the tunisians into the revolution to begin with those conditions are now going to come back. >> general let's turn to iran. we spent a lot of time talking at the frosty relationship between the president and benjamin netanyahu. the subtext of that obviously is what's going on in geneveageneva. i personally have concerned about a deal with iran. i've grown up just not trusting the iranians since 1979 any more

than i trusted the soviets. am i off here? are we a safer world with a nuclear deal with iran? >> joe, let me first of all pref fis my remarks with the comments that i don't have a whole lot of better ideas. i don't know what a good plan "b" or "c" is? we had a good plan we would have done it in the bush administration. >> right. >> but i share your concerns. the deal that appears to be on the table creates iran as an industrial strength nuclear state, and a permanent nuclear weapons threshold state. that's the end state we're negotiating. and, joe, as uncomfortable as that makes me with regard to the primary issue here iran and nuclear weapons, they're a second and third order effects that trouble me. our issues with iran are not just nuclear. we've got support terrorism, to hamas, hezbollah, what's going on in iraq and elsewhere in the region claims to regional we've been able to isolate iran

largely because of the nuclear portfolio. if we cut this deal i fear the rest of the world and maybe ourselves included begin to treat iran as a normal state even though all of these other things are going on. so there are a lot of first and second order effects here that trouble me. but again, tough to figure out a plan "b" or "c." >> general, let me follow up on that with you and ia in nn. it would be iran's absolute dominance within iraq that they're attempting to help retake tikrit retake mosul, working with the iraqi army. and i hear from some of your former colleagues there's an increasingly he's tans about dealing with them or a fear of them because they want to replace the existing iraqi government that maliki would come back under iranian control. >> what a nightmare. >> what have you heard about that? >> mike i've not heard anything specific. i don't doubt that.

maliki was an iraqi. even in our dark days dealing with him there was a certain sense of arabness about maliki as opposed to the persians across the river. but that said he owes an off lot to the iraqis. it's really disturbing mike that iraq is skipping -- sorry, iran is skipping the iraqi government and going directly to the militias like the badr corp. which we considered in government a holewholly owned subsidiary of the iranian government. >> we don't know if the talks are going to succeed with iran although this morning's reporting suggests less likely than some people thought. what happens to the european coalition with the u.s. and israel if the negotiations end and there's no deal? >> i think we will get an interim deal at the end of march because there's been so much momentum. the interim deal is going to paper over a lot of agreements that still exist. oil prices are going to go down

therefore, and people may get excited, and then it's going get much harder as we get towards june. the questions still plays. the reason why you might be willing to support a deal that's frankly not a very good one is because if a deal isn't there, especially if the americans take any blame for that internationally, 47 republican senators haven't helped on that account, you're going to have a lot of countries skipping away from the sanctions regime. it's going to erode. are ush a russia is the first. chinese won't be immediate because the prices have come down. the reasons europeans have supported sanctions all this way baz because they figured it was a good way to help push iranians toward a negotiated settlement. if there are no more negotiations are the europeans going the stick with those sanctions? >> michael crowley has a question. michael? >> general hayden if the talks do fall apart do you think the prospects are that netanyahu fires up the jets so to speak?

do you think israel would take military action? do you think they would do it without doing it in concert with the u.s.? do they have the capability? would it make sense for them? >> i don't think they have the capability and i don't think it makes sense. look, i can't rule it out, but the distances are great. the air force is fairly small. good but small. the targets are numerous hardened. the question becomes, does israel put at risk the only strategic relationship on which the survival of the jewish state depends in return for setting this program back three to six months? i don't think so. >> doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. that could be a good definition of false economy. general, thank you for being with us. we love having you on. ian, stay with us, if you will. coming up next online reaction to starbucks initiative on race relations was so harsh a top executive actually had to shut down his twitter page. it didn't work out really well. >> no. >> listen we want you to talk

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before i've had my morning coffee it will not end well. yeah, i don't really get it. let's turn right now to marc morial. marc, national urban league's report on the 2015 state of black america. your letter at the beginning, you you write this. so, what is the state of black america in 2015? in short, on many fronts black america remains in crisis. and we see justice challenged at every turn. this has been a cataclysmic year for race relations in america. no doubt about it. i think you would have to go back to the late '60s, early '70s to see a year as rough as this one on the national level. how though in the areas that you rate, social justice, education, income equality how did things pan out there? >> so, joe, i think importantly, i'd like to highlight some good news areas. one good news area is that health disparities measured by

index narrowed over the last several years. i think that's a significant finding. and when you step back and say, why? you've got to say that the affordable care act had a significant impact on narrowing the gap in health disparities. >> i find it fascinating, social justice, pretty big jump in narrowing the gap in social justice despite ferguson despite staten island. where does that jump come from? >> you know you see in the social justice index there's a lot of information. one of the reasons that it may have narrowed was the number of black high schoolers with guns decreased, the number of white high schoolers with guns increased. so this is a relative kind of thing. but when you look at that social justice number it's still a huge gap of some 40%.

so if you look at the social justice number and the economic number, those gaps are wide. now, the other thing i point out is that we looked at the 70 largest cities in america, looked at their unemployment rates, and i celebrate and am pleased to see job creation at a level we haven't seen since 1977. but strikingly, there were half of those cities almost half 33 of 70 that have black unemployment rates exceeding 15% and 7% where the black unemployment rate is over 20%. >> one of the ones that's most shocking to me, talking to joy about income inequality and we have a full screen riverside, atlanta, washington, d.c., new orleans. at the bottom of the list san francisco and oakland. black income $39,000. white income $95,000. only 42%.

it's pretty shocking coming out of the bay area. >> and you know we spotlighted that yesterday because san francisco with a reputation for being a progressive city but they've got a huge issue when it comes -- >> that's a huge information. >> this is san francisco/oakland, so it's a bay area that we looked at. so they are at the bottom of the list. >> joy? >> my sister used to live in san francisco for a while. she lives in los angeles now. it's partly a problem of housing inventory being incredibly expensive. up with of the most expensive cities to live in. and by and large, people who live in the city who are middle class, working class, have to live in ek of land. and even that is now becoming pricey. i think one of the things that's exacerbating some of this is genderfication. even in brooklyn i lived in in the '90s and the prices have tripled or quadrupled for rent. so you have situations where ironically enough the inner cities where african-americans

used to be corralled in order to live have become the desirable places for affluent younger people to live and the suburbs are becoming where people who are more poor people who are lower middle class, pushed out from the suburbs and into the cities. >> sounds a lot like europe now. becoming more like you were. >> without the social services. >> without the social services. >> and this is why cities and mayors and you see mayors i'm hearing in iraq bill de blasio in new york and many others are focusing on public policies that build more affordable housing. and what we don't want to do is reverse poverty so that poverty is all in the suburbs and of affluent is all in the cities. >> marc morial thank you so much. joy reid thank you. greatly appreciate you coming in. coming up it's a social media tool that could have a major impact on the 2016 presidential elections. mike allen explains how meerkat

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teleprompter teleprompter. there's no safety net here, obviously. we proved that once every couple of months. so the only time we can rest and relax, kind of have coffee tell war stories, is during the break. >> you call that rest. i call that wasted content. >> so now you're on meerkat. >> you're on meerkat. >> you're sticking this in my face. i don't even know what meerkat is. >> true man show. >> we're about to find out. >> with us now from washington, we're going to have this question answered by chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen, he's here in the blood red room red rum, red rum, to explain why this election cycle can be transformed by the new app that mark halperin has shoved up my nose called meerkat. tell us about meerkat and what's exactly happening to me right now. >> joe there's only one thing more important than meerkat and that is happy friday. >> happy friday. >> happy snowy friday. the snow has started in

washington. >> here it's a slushy friday. we are meerkating right now. halperin meerkating you. >> this is ridiculous. >> no. >> so i put my iphone right here. meerkat shows how much the campaign trail is changing this year. it's just an app that shows a live stream through your twitter feed. it's very easy. loads in 30 seconds. and you just hold it up. i first used it a couple weeks ago in a restaurant with john. we just started meerkating our lunch and this weekend it's up by southwest where meerkat was all the buzz. rand paul did a little meerkat. and then yesterday jeb bush showed how candidates with use it smartly and showed how jeb bush is smartly using social media at an atlanta fund-raiser which usually would have been closed. he held up the meerkat. gave a speech. people watched the speech about jeb bush talking about how much better the florida schools were because of him. something that usually no one

would have listened to. >> you said you meerkated all over your lunch. i just want to warn you that can cause hepatitis c. so be careful about that. >> what is the over/under on how many will be ruined by meerkat? >> i don't know. it should be a good number. okay. halperin, we're looking at your meerkat right now and -- the good thing is it only adds 800 pounds. that's the good news. >> you look fantastic. >> mike allen -- get that off of me. stop it right now. there we go. mike allen -- this is awful. this is just the worst. this is -- can we go back to pictures of parents throwing their children off buildings in india on to mattresses or the smoking baby. anything. mike allen happy friday. stay out of the snow. it's great seeing you. come back on monday without your meerkat. coming up at the top of the

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since the finale of "the jinx" on hbo featured a shocking confession overheard on tape i went on twitter and started a hashtag called this first tweet is from matt rosen swag. he says i once overheard my principal in middle school accidentally say i hate this job over the school's intercom system. this one is from@reggie jls games. i once overheard a man in a stall next to me whisper to himself, please, not now. sounds like a bad day. i don't know. >> that's not a good day. >> she says after telling my 4-year-old stepson to finish his dinner, i overheard him whisper to himself, you're jeremiah you

can do this. he says i once overheard the cop who pulled me over whisper into his radio, not our guy. this one's got pants. >> welcome back to "morning joe." an epidemic of meerkat has broken out on this set. we will be getting treatment for hepatitis c a little bit later on. mike barnicle is with us along with mark halperin. actually i just joined b up meerkat. >> like that, you're broadcasting. >> truman show like mark halperin camp. >> on the joe scarborough twitter feed. click on the link. you can watch this. >> riveting. >> let's not do that. ian bremmer, michael crowley still with us. anchor on the hot list of theblaze.com. fascinating news out of israel. lead story.

benjamin netanyahu was for a two-state solution before he was against a two-state solution before he was for a two-state solution again. and white house isn't happy. they're not letting up on the israeli prime minister. president obama called the prime minister two days after his re-election victory. while he congratulated netanyahu, barack obama also double downed on key u.s. positions that have put the two allies at odds. reports say the white house is now re-evaluating its approach to middle east talks after netanyahu's last ditch campaign pledge to reject a two-state solution that would recognize a palestinian state. he has since backtracked on that position and he did so with our own andrea mitchell. >> i don't want a one-state solution. i want a sustainable, peaceful two-state solution but for that circumstances have to change. >> but you were re-elected on a mandate, certainly of israeli voter, supporter, believe you were re-elected on a mandate against a two-state solution. that is the way the white house

is interpreting it. they're strongly considering not blocking a vote for statehood for palestinians. >> first of all, that state would become a terrorist state so we need the conditions of regular cognition of a jewish state and real security to have a realistic two-state solution. >> they are whacking netanyahu about comments made about israeli arabs right as voters were heading to the polls. this surprising me. josh earnest from the white house podium obviously, like i said before, they have all the reason in the world to be angry with netanyahu. he embarrassed them showed them up, i understand all of that. blah, blah blah blah blah. but i don't think you do this if you want to move towards a peace deal. take a look. >> i think that it is certainly a pretty cynical tactic and it is -- there's no doubt that it's divisive. and at pretty transparent attempt to marginalize arab/israeli as citizens and

their right to participate in the election. >> mike barnicle i want you to -- we're doing to give you the assignment of supporting josh earnest estest and the white house in deciding to whack the prime minister that just got elected. again, there's a lot of things he has done to anger the united states, to anger the president of the united states but seriously, if we're going to hold him to that standard what kind of standard are we going to hold the palestinians to? >> well, we're talking about, you know our strongest ally in that particularly cauldron like region of the world. where does bibi netanyahu have to go? he's not going to fall back on the french or british. he is for ill or whatever our guy. >> should the president keep poking at him? >> yes. my question is the root of this, ian, does it not part of it begin with the vice president's trip to israel several years ago when the vice president there in tell aviv

bibi netanyahu chooses to have it announced we're going to expand more settlements? >> 1993 when we had that oslo deal you had 100,000 palestinians -- 100,000 settlers in the west bank. you today have over 300,000. they've been building building building. some of them in areas, some of the most radical pro-settlement israelis that are not going to move. so if you ask me has netanyahu changed his tune at all over the last 48 hours? sure, now that he's prime minister he wants to say, oh, no i can still be your guy america. i can work on two-state solution. but it's very very clear he has no intention. he's not been pushed to do it domestically. the peace movement in israel which used to be really on the left hey, we want to create a two-state solution, today the israeli left is different. they're saying we're left on economics but we're not suggesting we have a two-state solution. so i actually -- i'll support josh earnest on this. i think kerry was embarrassed after 18 minutes of -- 18 months of his top priority being let's

do israel palestine. you now have returned to prime minister that has no interest whatsoever in enganlging with the united states on this priority and the americans understand that. >> i guess though, amy, again, i certainly, i guess as a republican, as a conservative here let me do my meerkat whatever it's called as a republican, as a conservative as a strong, strong supporter of israel, i understand why netanyahu came here. i understand why he gave the speech. i didn't like how it went down. i wish they would have contacted the president first and shown the respect i think you show commanders in chiefs. >> actually the white house was contacted that the invitation had been extended to benjamin netanyahu. >> i'm saying though netanyahu should have called boehner should have called first. they should have done it personally. all that aside, i understand why the white house is upset. i just wonder what good it does to send out josh earnest to

whack the prime minister who is going to be at least half of a deal if we get a deal with the palestinians. >> right. i think you make a totally valid point here. and it seems that the white house is trying to ratchet up the pressure on benjamin netanyahu. as cynical reading would be that that statement was to sort of put benjamin netanyahu sort of back in the box that they don't really have this intention of following through at the u.n. to try to marginalize the israelis. that's a democratic election. >> at the u.n. they might -- who knows. maybe they support a two-state solution. maybe they support a palestinian state at the u.n. now. >> but i mean, joe, you bring up the point. your question is what is the palestinian's obligation toward the two-state solution. the palestinians haven't had an election for mahmoud abbas in ten years. we're talking about hamas that still avows to destroy israel and drive it off the map. what's the responsibility on the other side? it seems the israelis get the brunt of this white house's

criticism. >> michael crowley, there are obviously a lot of obstacles to peace. are we further away from middle east peace deal than ever before? >> well, i mean we've been further away when there's an end to fatah going on. short of out right anarchy and violence we're about as far as we can be. if you talk to separation officials they are worried about another explosion of violence. a head official mentioned to me that there's been unrest in the west bank. israelis have cut off tax revenues they send $125 million a month to the palestinian authority. they cut those off after the palestinians sought to join the international criminal court. so there's concern that the pa could collapse all together. and of course that just takes us to a new level of disaster. one last quick point. you want to get into some speculation about cynical politics here. you could imagine potentially speculation that what the president and josh earnest have been saying brushback pitch to

netanyahu on the peace process which maybe suggests, hey, if you pipe down a little bit on iran and you stop causing us so much trouble on our top priority, maybe we'll back off on other things. i'm just speculating. >> you know what that's a great speculation because right now there is no doubt the most important i think this inside the white house is a peace deal with iran. they see that as their legacy. they see that as their big deal. and i think you're probably right. i think you're right. they probably went out, mark halperin, did a brushback pitch. they wanted to whack netanyahu and say, we can play well together or we can make the next couple of years pretty rough. >> maybe. although the reason i don't think that will work is the republicans in congress are so against the deal. they're not going to be brushed back on it at all. they don't even seem to care what's in the deal. they're just against it. >> there's bipartisan opposition to the deal as well. >> but we may not be the low point in the peace talks because there is current violence on the ground. i think we are at a low point on israel's isolation in the world. >> i disagree with that.

>> europe has drifted from israel. who is supporting israel right now? >> egypt saudis. israel is no longer enemy number one in the region. the reason why the brushback won't work and i think this is useful speculation is precisely because the israelis feel pretty emboldened on their iran path from everyone else in the region. >> by the way, i can just say -- >> there's no deal. >> well, want to maintain the pressure. >> the thing is look at the people that -- more people -- more country, arab countries have better relationships with israel today than ever before. egypt is working hand in hand. egypt's military israel's military basically are a joint military right now. you look at jordan. jordan is on israel's side in the dispute. you look at saudi arabia. for the first time you actually have the arab middle east other than syria, on the side of the israelis. >> they can't talk boycott

anymore because of the economy is in such difficult shape. >> something american public knows well is there was actually quite a lot of support for benjamin netanyahu's speech in congress in arab newspapers. >> yeah. >> applauding benjamin netanyahu for identifying iran as a great threat to the region. >> mike final thought. we're going to go to mark halperin's very exciting focus groups. >> which is going to tell us who will win the election next year. >> one more interesting aspect of this is you talk to people in washington and they are amazed continually amazed at the interlocking relationships between intelligence operatives from egypt, saudi arabia israel jordan all operating -- >> they're all working together. >> yeah. >> it's unbelievable. all right. now, mark halperin as we move the meerkat express -- right there. we're going to put that right there for you. last day i'm ever going to do this. so let's talk about focus groups. yesterday what we found out a couple of really surprising

things in your exclusive focus groups up in new hampshire. one, jeb bush's people have a lot to worry about. they just do. you look at a lot of polls. he's upside-down in approval ratings. in a poll i saw yesterday, only chris christie is worse off. and then you looked at your focus groups and you had republicans that just weren't interested in voting for jeb on. on the democratic side they were all going to vote for hillary but they're concerned about hillary and the scandals or the controversies. what did you find out about, say, candidates like rand paul and scott walker? >> so look bush has got big problems. not only did they say they're not going to vote for him, they're not even open to hearing arguments. that's his play. >> isn't that surprising for new hampshire residents? >> absolutely surprising because they were open to just about everybody else. >> right. >> including people they're not currently enthused about. >> have you talked to jeb people about this? have you gotten any off the record comments from them or any

feedback on them? >> there's two things they'll acknowledge. one is that this is their biggest concern, that people just say we don't want another bush. but the other thing they have to believe in and this is what jeb bush has said publicly and privately, over time he thinks he can win them over. he had a pretty good first trip there but this focus group came on the heels of his first trip and they were not won off. the people they are enthusiastic about, first is scott walker who they know him about -- they know him based on unions but listen to what they say about why they like him so much. >> okay. >> who knows who scott walker is? >> from what i understand he's done a really great job in turning around the economy and so forth in wisconsin, loosening up regulations, limiting the power that unions may have in that state. >> what he's done with regard to business he's, i think reduce taxes and other things. and everybody said no that's not going to work but they've actually -- the state has done

well and businesses have improved. revenue has come in and i think their budget has flipped from a negative to a positive. that's where i stand from a business standpoint. i see that as a positive. >> he didn't graduate from college. does that concern you at all? >> no because a lot of idiots came out of college. >> rand paul? >> fight, he's not afraid to speak up to the people in congress. >> in the beginning i almost didn't want to admit it. however, the more i hear -- and i guess that makes me seek out when he's talking and hear him as much as i can. and it goes back to the electability, however. i feel he is extreme. >> does anyone like or not like the fact that he's worked with democrats in congress? >> that's what we need more of. >> on some things you need to work to the to get things done. correct mistakes. >> yeah. scott walker people know about his record in wisconsin. they like it. >> they think the economy there is good.

this is what rivals to walker say, wisconsin's economy is not that good. they take what he did on unions and project that out and like him. they like rand paul for the opposite reasons. they like rand paul in part because he's worked with democrats across the aisle on things like prison reform. >> amy, are you surprised by what new hampshire voters have said about jeb, not interested. scott walker like what he's doing in wisconsin. and rand paul actually seem to like the fact he can work with democrats. >> the rand paul thing doesn't surprise me because there is libertarian sort of thread when it comes to new hampshire voters, the granite state. and let's face it even jeb's mother, barbara bush said do we really need another bush in the white house. she has since reversed her position. >> she has no choice if her son is running. you're not going to root against you're son if he's playing tee ball or running for president. >> that doesn't surprise me. i was surprised how well informed these voters were so early in the process about the primary candidates and their

records. even though those records are attacked. >> how big a problem does jeb have with conservatives? >> big problem. common core and immigration policy. it's just -- >> last name. >> it's the last name and it's a fresh face but we're seeing that on the democratic side as well. the democratic primary voters they want new choices, too. >> walker has a big opening here. >> walker all right. still ahead on "morning joe," the government's top official in small business joins the discussion. plus dylan ratigan, money party. now the grower of i guess, legal herbs. we don't know. >> wow. >> money party he's going to weigh in on the top talkers. up next ukraine's finance minister the here along with cnbc's michelle caruso-cabrera. it's a significant improvement over the infiniti we had... i've had a lot of hondas... we went around the country talking to people who made the switch to ford. the brand more people buy. and buy again. all-wheel drive is amazing... i felt so secure. i really enjoy the pep in its step...

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of ukraine that accent was from. with us now, i say, gosh she speaks really good american. we've got former u.s. diplomat now the ukraine kranian finance minister and international correspondent michelle caruso-cabrera. great to have you here. natalie, you're doing pretty well over here. up to $40 billion in support of a country that is taking it on the chin from a nuclear aggressor. >> yes, we're very very grateful for the u.s. taxpayer support, from the u.s. administration, the congress bipartisan support. it's been good to have u.s. leadership in the g-7 and imf because it's a very very difficult time. >> so -- but you have a bunch of bill collectors standing in your way, other countries, and they want payment on principle that they've loaned ukraine. what do you say in order to get them to take a hair cut on these -- on these monies?

>> well, we have primarily sovereign creditors that we're starting debt negotiations with restructuring negotiations. what i tell them is this in for all our interests, for ukraine to medium term debt sustainable to be able to make itself healthy again in in all of our interests. we have a common interests. >> what do you do long term? what are the strengths in the future of the ukrainian economy for exports or tourism or anything you can do to be a thriving economy without help? >> first and foremost we need to get back our financial system and to stable -- currency stable. then we need to work on the real economy. in the real economy ukraine's agricultural sector is one of the most competitive in the world. number one sunflower oil exporter number four grains exporter. aside from that we have great opportunities in energy and infrastructure. we have a major hub for transit, north, south, east, west, and with the signature of the deep and comprehensive free trade agreement with the eu low cost

inputs with fabulous natural resources, and an open free trade agreement with the european union to use as a base. >> one thing that's sad is that even after the soviet union fell, you had soviets style government for so long. poland ran towards the free markets as fast as it could. ukraine didn't -- all of this overhang from the times that lead to a lot of corruption an economy that doesn't function as well. how is the reform process going to make it more like the west? >> well, first of and foremost the deep and comprehensive freed trade agreement is an outline, a bible, a road map for us on how to change institutions make them more compliant, make them more like the european institutions. poland had that opportunity for membership and that pumd it along. if in some ways this agreement will pull us along. we have a whole set of structural reforms we agreed to part of the imf program. a big part of it is anticorruption. kill that once and for all. >> so, let me ask you, natalie,

how does a girl from chicago become the woman who is responsible for ukraine's economic survival? >> well, i've spent the last 23 years of my life working in ukraine. i'm a ukrainian-american. now ukrainian citizen. i have always tried to do things to make that potential opportunity become real. for many years that was a private equity fund that i ran and raised. now it's about trying to save the financial system and move these reforms forward so that we can show that we're walking the walk, not just talking the talk. >> your parents left ukraine for a reason and you went back. what do they think? >> well, my parents left communism and what i'm building is a free market. in essence i'm doing what i think my parents would have wanted. my parents are proud. my mom is still alive living in chicago. my father has passed. but it is a challenge to be sure. >> is crimea lost forever? >> no. crimea is ukraine. >> how do you get it back? >> time will show. time will show that this was a

major blunder from an international standpoint, from a legal principle standpoint. and i believe that the best thing we can do is rebuild the yunian economy and show ukraine as that prosperous country that lives with european principles, with the values that people will seek. >> all right. natalie, thank you for being with us. good luck. >> thank you. >> we certainly are cheering for you all. certainly appreciate it. ukraine's finance minister. coming up next monica lewinsky is back in the spotlight. that's a very interesting segue. as hillary clinton is expected to be close to announcing a bid for president, will it have an impact and why are we doing this story? plus, a man who isn't shy about what he wants to say. dylan ratigan, mr. money party himself, he's back. look at -- relaxed. >> entourage. >> when he left wall street he looked like he was about to have a stroke. now money party is just like mr. relaxed. we'll be right back.

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the party is back. do you know what actually -- >> the party never ended. >> -- i don't think it ever ended. i think the party just moved. >> if party was in brief hiatus. >> even in the break, sort of a mellow. >> there was a hangover.

>> didn't wake up. >> just turned on what's going on, listen to it for a couple of years. and then the party started back. it's better than ever. look who's here. we have former cnbc and msnbc dylan ratigan. slow clap for dylan. very good, baby. yeah. >> thank you. >> we have a lot to talk to you about. we're going to talk about how we can cut water consumption across the world by 90% agriculturally we're going to talk about other things. we're going to talk about something we haven't talked about enough here. >> you look good joe. >> you look good. >> there's a mini series of things michelle is a very serious person. michael is one of the most serious men we know. and mark was born with a serious face. >> he was. >> but you, not so serious. >> not so serious. >> skinny. >> your seriousness is implied by virtue of the grafphysical presence. >> people don't realize this i'm 6'11" and weigh 800 pounds. i don't look it though.

>> any gentle giant, you have no choice but to be sort of cuddly and nice because otherwise no one would come near you afraid you're going to heat them. >> i slump when i walk. >> like the big nfl guys. they're nice because who knows. >> i was the giant of the 21th century. >> people do come up to me all the time oh, my god, you're so tall. they don't realize because the camera. >> everybody is same height on tv. >> remember my first day, my first show, first day, you came over and you jumped on me like a giant gorilla. >> i did because i loved you. >> it's a good thing i had been doing squats. i lived through it. a lessen man would have crumbled under the weight. no. >> what was the name of that show stilldylan? >> "morning meeting." terrible. i don't want to attend a morning meeting. i take full responsibility for that, by the way. it was my idea. >> "morning meeting," i think i accidentally called it "morning movement" one time. not a good day for it. let's talk about a lot of

different things. first of all, since you've been away things have happened. a lot of things have happened. some things haven't changed. interest rates haven't moved since you've been away. >> i know. >> now they're starting to move. is that going to make a difference? >> are they starting to move or crazy fed voo-doo. let's talk about a couple of things. michelle will chime in, i'm sure. the big lie from the federal reserve and backed up by various points of research they control interest rates. i don't think they do control interest rates? who don't? >> the market controls interest rates. demand for long term securities controls interest rates. confidence in the strength of the economy. long end of the curve, 10 20 years out, they have no impact on it. the reality is even obviously they have -- if they control the over night lending rate between banks rch. but beyond that so this is like a fun thing to talk about and i think may speak to other variables like oh, goodnesses are actually organic strength in the economy that would validate

this and that's a real interesting thing to talk about. >> is that organic strength in the economy? >> that's not a point of view. i can't say that's an opinion. there is organic strength in the economy. that's not an opinion. the question is is the organic strength in the economy narrow and deep or broad and deep and will it continue to get broader and deeper? >> express -- but still express concern about it. >> of course. there's lots of reasons we're concerned. if you look at the technology sector, it's on fire. i'm not just talking about apple. i'll talking about anything tech related. biotech and health care, fantastic. it's unbelievable. look at the industrial manufacturing sectors, energy has got all sorts of variables at play. we're in a world where the idea of a -- actually i'm going to listen to you, mike. >> it's a money party. >> take a break. take it easy. >> what would you expect would happen if the fed does raise interest rates in june? what would happen to the economy? >> hard to know. we saw incredible volatility in the markets just on the suggestion yesterday right, that they were going to actually

do something. so there's two sides to this. there are people who say it is absolutely a bad idea because, remember, the fed has two things they're supposed to watch. what's the unemployment rate? which is doing quite well. what is the inflation rate? in theory we talk about making sure inflation doesn't get too high. right now people are worried inflation is too low. when i nation is too low if you have things like deflation, that means why would i buy a car today because it will be cheaper next month. >> another interesting thing is the bond market -- while the financials are moved, citigroup, the actual bond market has done nothing. >> so let's talk about -- >> that tells me more than anything that oh we. >> dylan, i need you here for like 18 hours for a 3-hour show because we've got to mv on to another topic. i have a lot of questions i wanted to ask about economics but let's talk about something we haven't talked about enough on this show that's just impacted people on the west coast so badly. and that is the drought in california. >> one year. >> epic. >> epic.

>> it's epic. >> it's almost one of those things it's so big that why talk about it why would you talk about it we don't know what we're going to do about it. the more you look at the map, like there's no apparent solution to it. so people don't want to have the conversation. i mean the thing -- and you guys know i was just -- i've been very much involved with innovation in agriculture and not just hydroponics but irrigation techniques. i was just at the global forum in abu dhabi last week -- >> so people know what you're talking about you're working with people -- >> combat vets. >> but also you're talking about ways and other people are talking about ways of cutting water copnsumption by 90% agriculturally which would be a revolution. >> think about it like anything else, where the actual amount of water that gets used to grow anything compared to the amount of water that's introduced into a field or introduced into a

plant that only 10% or 15% of that water makes it to the roots, ever makes it into the plant and utilized. what you're seeing from all sorts of manufacturers around the world is enhanced techniques to either align the soil -- they will dig out the soil and line it with plastic so when you water it, you move the water -- the bottom of the soil up to three feet below. sprinkler system. you can go on and on. there is and will be a massive boom. >> makes a huge difference michelle over -- globally. >> the technology is so important, would you agree, pricing has been a real problem -- people -- people should pay more for water. right? when there's more profitability in a product, what do you get? you get more of it. right? we wouldn't have water shortages nearly as much if we didn't have so much -- >> one is a lack of leadership. first and foremost set aside technology set aside market dynamics, global absence of leadership to address this issue because who wants to be the

president or the prime minister or the who comes up and says listen, we've got a water problem. like that's not -- i don't think we're going to hear hillary clinton or jeb bush or anybody else talk about the water crisis for us. leadership number one. technology number two. implementation, number three. the key to implementation and technology will be market valuation for the technology. it will happen because you have no choice. we're not going to not have water. >> because the money party said it's going to happen. michelle, great to see you. money party, stick around. coming up next empire grows. the empire man. but viewers are saying about the hit fox drama about a family that stops at nothing to rein over it now they are reigning over television breaking records left and right. every episode, over 17 million watched this last night. we'll tell you why when we turn.

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my fellow americans, we have witnessed the unrivalled rise of an empire. 17.6 million americans tuned in to watch the two-hour bombshell season finale of "empire" wednesday night. let me say that again. 17.6 million americans watched a scripted tv show. and this show has been on the rise since it debuted in january to an audience of 9.9 million. it's a ratings feat that nielsen says has been unmatched for two dozen years. so who is it about "empire" that has kept so many people tuned in? our own reverend al sharpton

asked one of the stars about the secret. take a look. >> explain to we why "empire" struck such a chord with america? >> people apparently like folks fighting for power and stack each other in the back or beating up each other in the head without killing them. the music, the fashion, the time, the talent on the show i think the vision it means a lot of things. >> maybe you can strip it down. it's just fun. >> it is so fun. >> after i saw the first couple of episodes i said wait a second, come on. i've seen this before. this is an '80's soap. it is j.r. and bobby in "dallas". >> and blake carrington. >> except with a very different -- >> talented rapping people. >> yeah. so talk -- that's what it comes down to. it's well written. la at of fun. >> tons of fun. you have the matriarch, larger

than life personality, great clothes, great costumes. the characters are likable. with all of their back stabbing and the murders and the cheating that you actually like them and you are rooting for them to succeed. >> the music the album, the sound track album was the number one album of the week. >> music is great. didn't like drip-drop-drippety-drop. >> this is how the music industry has been driven out, driven by "glee," driven by "american idol" and now by "empire." would people not sitting there and everybody listening to you know, wls or ckl. this is from the '70s and '80s this is what they do right now. >> it's a lot of escapist fantasy, this show. it purports to be about the music industry but i don't think that's how the music industry really works. but you're going to be inside nightclubs with rich good looking people. >> and the most tweeted show on tv, as well. >> is it really? >> by far, i believe. >> fascinating.

if you haven't caught that you need to catch that. i sat down a couple months ago and started catching up on "empire" and after we had danny here. and started catching up on "the americans," and "the americans," wow. >> i love that show. >> it's great. >> do you have a tv dylan? >> i don't have a house. >> all right. after nearly a decade of avoiding the spotlight, money party is back monica lewinsky stepped back into it thursday at a very public ted talk. we've got nbc news correspondent peter alexander here. he joins us with more on monica lewinsky's willingness to speak out. we're just laughing about dylan ratigan saying he does not have a tv. he doesn't have a house. >> i'm looking for a house plan. >> we've got to go to peter now, man. peter, what you got? >> we'll talk real estate in a second. first, real life for one lady maybe nobody knows better than monica lewinsky who has your entire life plastered across the

internet. it's a new cause and actually a new ted talk to be posted online soon where she focuses on the price of shame. this time monica lewinsky is putting herself in the spotlight speaking out publicly for only the second time in a decade, lewinsky once the target of ugly attacks and ridicule is tackling the topic. >> anyone who is suffering from shame and public humiliation needs to know one thing, you can survive it. >> reporter: public humiliation is a blood sport has to stop she said. >> this is a reinvention for monica lewinsky. she's reclaiming her story. >> reporter: during a poignant speech thursday lewinsky was at time self depricating, i admit i made mistacks, and honest about being the victim of what she said cyber pullbullying. i was branded a tramp, tart bimb and that woman. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman.

>> reporter: it was easy to forget that woman was dimensional and had a soul. lewinsky insists shame has now become an industry. the more shame, the more clicks. the more clicks the more advertising dollar, she said. "the new york times" shouted lewinsky for the last month leading up to thursday's speech. >> i think it's brilliant how she's come giving us enough juicy details from the past which people can't get enough of but using them for the greater good. >> reporter: she's calling for compassion over negativity and empathy from one person can make a difference she said. tell lewinsky, now 41 can't escape that embarrassing chapter 17 years ago. another headline just this month with an artist claiming he painted a shadow of the former intern's infamous blue dress into this presidential portrait. these days lewinsky says she's turned the page. >> i know it's hard. it may not be painless quick, or easy. but you can insist on a. different ending to your story. >> with another presidential campaign't to heat up and another clinton in the headlines lewinsky said her decision to

come forward is not politically motivated. she's often asked why now. frankly, why at all? she says because it's time to stop tip towing around my past and time to take back my narrative. joe, back to you. >> peter, thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. the money party, it returns when we return. we're going to ask why he doesn't have a house, why he doesn't have a tv set, and why on odd numbered days he doesn't even have shoes. e the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?"

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there's something important we need to address tonight. you made an announcement. >> that's right. >> that you're going to leave the show. >> that's right, that's right. >> but i just want to address the fact -- >> yeah. >> -- that you had the guts to look at yourself in the mirror. >> yeah. >> and say, jon, it's not working. for 17 years, you've banged your head against this desk. we've all watched this train wreck go on. you never found your voice. >> yeah, i know. >> you never found your audience. you don't know what the [ bleep ] you're talking about. >> you get to a point when you say you know what? maybe masters program, maybe getting a law degree maybe it's time to go to the fallback. >> you should have got ton that point a lot sooner i know. it's like "the kardashian show," you watch -- >> how is it continuing?

>> how are they making [ bleep ] money? >> it's a money party. i love it. he's back. i'm glad you didn't have your -- meerkat during the last commercial break, because dylan -- >> do you know what the -- >> i just found out. >> anyway money -- >> it's mark's nsa device. >> for people who can't be on tv enough. >> he were had meerkat during the break -- >> we're going to a higher level. 30,000 feet i'm going to ask you something. >> please. >> who's responsible for the economy turning around? barack obama, the republicans, both neither? >> neither. the economy -- i believe in the free markets, ultimately. all of you that talk about the fed, government policies fundamentally human beings and ideas drive economic activity that combined with demographics shift in health care, the

transition to domestic energy the explosive nature of the dynamic and technology universe those can be accelerated or hindered by some of the folks you referenced but none are responsible. although i'll say this to the extent to which -- and i'm no fan of this president, i made that clear before i left -- for honestly different reasons having to do with this oversight of policymaking a long time ago meaning health and banking, but at the end of the day, unploemt unemployment in a good situation, stocks you can say what will you about the president, by the index, looking pretty well. >> health care sector. what is that related to affordable care? >> most is technology driven. it's almost like the internet was in the '90s. you have so much data so much demographics, so much integration that hasn't happened that you are seeing all of these different entities both large and small, make you know its

own version of a gold rush making their fortune in networking and integrating. people talking about software displacing 50% of the medical staff in terms of making evaluations over the next 15 20 years. as it pertains to the affordable care act, i'm too ignorant to the correlation, honestly to offer a specific correlation, but there's no question that -- in terms of the actual demand for integrated information. >> so you talked about the affordable care act. >> well, he talked about the affordable care a. the big issue, which is right after the president got in. >> uh-huh. >> obviously, he had to deal with an economic crisis. >> well he had do but didn't. he ignored it and went to health care. completely isle ignored it. >> i was going to ask you. >> outrageous. >> a lot of people say that he and george bush together put a bailout in place. you calmed it a money party, but a lot of people now are saying well, they saved the economy. >> listen there's no question that the economy, in terms of

functionality was and has been saved. my particular issue -- >> does he get any credit for that? >> absolutely. credit for it yes. i won't put a caveat on it. my issue, i believe capitalism is at its best with transparency and aligned risk. the most investment and the best idea, and that is not what we have. >> you say forget the crony capitalism? >> crony capitalism and opaque markets based on risk -- >> should big banks be broken up? >> the size of the banks is a distraction from whether the banks are transparent and are iran sent iran -- incentivized opaque and invested in manufacturing and transfers risk right now manufacturing and transferring risk. >> we've got to go. >> larry somers says that government makes for a crappy vc. >> there you go. >> create incentives and potentially bad regulations.

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hey, welcome back to "morning joe." it is 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. the snow is coming. lead story, man. "new york times." i mean -- can anybody believe this? benjamin netanyahu, after promising in the final weeks that he was going to, you know, pull off you know go away from the two-state solution on "andrea mitchell" saying he's supporting the two-state solution. can you think of a turnaround that quickly in politics in this country or anywhere? >> no. i cannot. >> in response to your question can anybody believe this i think there are several people in washington, d.c. who can believe it based on the premise that they strongly believe and

have believed bebe netanyahu is is a liar. >> wow. >> as president obama would say, prime minister obama showed some chutzpah. >> would he say that? is that what they say in chicago? >> say it in chicago. a prominent west bank leader quoting him saying what he did, disorienting and zigzagging. >> zigzagging. >> as i said on this show a couple of days ago only nixon could dough togo to china, only reagan pass the arms agreement like they did. i just can't expect it to turn around this quickly. >> stunning. >> we'll get into that story now and also to help outous in washington, senior foreign affairs correspondent for politico michael crowley and the president and ceo of the national urban league mark more morrell morrell, and mike barnicle and mark halperin on set.

called two days after the victory and congratulated netanyahu, the president called. and the president also doubled down on key american positions that put the two allies at odds and reports say the white house is now re-evaluating its entire approach to the peace talk after netanyahu's pledge to reject a two-state position. he backtracked and did it yesterday with our own andrea mitchell. >> i don't want a one-state solution. i want a sustainable, peaceful two-state solution but for that circumstances have to change. >> but you were re-elected on a mandate. certainly israeli voters your supporters, believe you were re-elected on a mandate against a two-state solution nap is the way the white house is interpreting and strongly considering not blocking a vote for statehood for palestinians. >> first of all, that state would become a terrorist state. so we need the conditions of recognition of a jewish state and real security in order to

have is a realistic two-state solution. >> okay. i'm confused. didn't benjamin netanyahu say something in 2009 where he talked about very strongly he support add two-state solution then at the end of the campaign was against a two-state solution and now he's for the two-state solution? >> oddly enough i have the direct quote. >> no way? you carry it around with you? you really do love peace. you really do. reads it every day. >> i'm a peacemaker. >> what they say. >> 2009 "in my vision of peace in this small land of ours two peoples live freely side-by-side in amounty and mutual respect." that was prime minister netanyahu in 2009. in 2015 in a speech prior to election said i think anyone who's going to establish a palestinian state today and evacuate lands is giving attack grounds to the radical islam against the state of israel. >> for it before he was against it, and against it before he was for it. >> exactly. michael crowley, makes perfect sense. doesn't it? >> you know joe in a way, maybe

it does. if you think about benjamin netanyahu as an extremely calculating, his critics would say cynical politician who sends a different message to a different audience at a different time depending on who's pressuring him the most. so in 2009 a new american president who had as a big priority the peace process, and i think netanyahu felt it was important for him to show willingness to participate and play along. he may support a two-state solution in principle, so he can say those words, but as practical matter and what he says to his domestic audience who makes up his base it's a nice idea but we can't do it right now and people in the obama administration will say, for him, it's never right now, it's nerve are the right time. >> it's never the right time and more than one high-ranking state department official and administration official will accuse him of political

cowardice time and time again. something you hear time and time again from the white house, and the white house is whacking netanyahu for the comments about israeli arabs, right at voters were headed to the polls. >> i think it is certainly a pretty cynical tactic and no doubt it's divisive and a pretty transparent attempt to marginalize arab israeli citizens. >> if i were in the white house i would be really angry. no doubt, angry about the speech angry wb netanyahu not meeting with democrats. i mean you could -- so i don't want anybody to misread me. the white house has all the reasons in the world to be angry at benjamin netanyahu's cynicism. totally get it but the election's over. this is the man you're going to be working with two more years. if you want a peace deal after he's elected, you can sit there

and grit your teeth and let somebody ask you a question and then go well we'll just let the israeli voters decide and let them know off the record that you're pissed off. let them know off the record that you will never forget and never trust a man, who's shocked they said that on the record. he's been elected. they want a peace deal. you kind of need to leave that behind, don't you? >> and america's ally by far, and gratuitously plenty of reasons to be upsenchts every reason. >> but i don't see why it's in the u.s. interests to be doing this unless they just don't have any interest in dealing with the israeli government. >> mike barnicle? >> i would like to ask michael crowley about that point. michael, do you think that the part of the strategy within the state department and within the white house is that they feel freer to go after specifically prime minister netanyahu separately from the israeli government?

>> yeah, i do mike and i think we can't underestimate the degree to which there's just a personal animus here and exasperation. i think this is fueled by they've bitten their tongue not always but times they bit their tongue a little built. for instance during the gaza conflict, the u.s. was quite supportive cautioning israel about civilian casualties we said this is a close ally but now are letting it rip. >> what do they gain by just letting it rip? i totally understand why they're angry at this man, but he's also president of the united states. he's also an indispensable partner in middle east peace. i mean listen -- >> and there for the adoration of the -- >> would you like to get quotes from thepalestinians and actions from the palestinians that were going to force netanyahu to sit down with? i mean we got problems on both sides here. we have to rise above this? yes, no? >> joe, there are a lot of

people following the story who are really upset there's not been enough discussion of what the palestinians have been up to that the palestinian authority that formed a governor coalition where they're aligned with hamas, we consider a terrorist group. plenty of blame to go around. the last thing i would add to your calculus. it will be the case we want to talk netanyahu down a little bit. so that problem is only going to get worse for obama the more there's, they're arguing with each other. >> i don't understand it. thank you. martin morrell, your thoughts about this? obviously benjamin netanyahu has changed his tune time and time again. but as president, don't you have to be quiet and just -- yell at him behind the scenes? >> two ways to look at it. one way, he flip-flopped or did a political somersault. another way, he realized the error of his ways because now that he's been re-elected keeping the peace process going

is in his domestic political best interests, but i think what happens, what's happened with this very important relationship is that once he sort of plunges into domestic u.s. politics there's also an incentive for the u.s. and i think the comments about the arab voters a precedent's been set and i think the relationship needs to be reset, perhaps by a meeting between the prime minister and the president of the united states to get the relationship back on track now that the elections are over. >> boy, i agree with you 100%. let's turn to the university of virginia. obviously, growing outrage on the campus on the use of force consider concerns the arrest of a 20-year-old honor student this week. martese johnson appeared as press conference thursday afternoon but didn't speak. instead he issued a statement through this attorney. meanwhile, investigators are still trying to figure out what happened between him and officers on wednesday night that led to that ugly moment that was captured in photos.

nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez in charlottesville, virginia, has more. good morning. what's going on? >> reporter: joe, the student's attorney stresses he did not provide a fake i.d. outside this bar, but now there's a criminal investigation under way into what happened here. >> hey, he's bleeding! yo his head is bleeding! >> reporter: this video by a student of a university of virginia newspaper shows officers arrested third-year student martese johnson outside an irish pub wednesday morning i. go to uva! >> reporter: that's johnson on the ground yelling. >> i go uva. >> stop fighting. >> reporter: in virginia the state enforces liquor laws and they say the 20-year-old johnson a member of uva's honor committee was detained after being deny the entry to the bar. according to the arrest warrant, johnson was agitated and belligerent and now charged with

obstruction of justice without force and public intoxication. about 1,000 students protested -- >> get out of the street! >> reporter: johnson, who received ten stitches after his arrest, addressed the crowd. >> we're all part of one community. [ applause ] and we deserve to respect each other especially in times like this. >> reporter: even the university's president had strong words. >> this is not something that should ever happen. i don't know why it happened. >> reporter: outrage on campus. >> no one's safe. no matter what we do no matter how smart we are, no matter how we dress, act, talk we're still seen at black people. >> reporter: the governor ordered an independent state police investigation. >> as a parent, i speak for all the parents. those pictures are very very disturbing. >> reporter: with johnson by his side. >> martese has received an outpouring of support from administrators professors,

university officials, students, community members and even perfect strangers. >> reporter: virginia's department of alcohol beverage control has been under scrutiny before. the state last year reach add settlement with a uva student in the 2013 was arrested after the water she bought was mistaken for beer. joe? >> march morrell, you hear the heartbreaking quote from the young woman on campus who said no matter what we do no matter how we dress, no matter how smart we are, we're always just looked at as black students. the color of our skin. >> joe, this young man is the best of the best. >> yes, he is. >> at one of the best schools in the united states. the university of virginia the school of jefferson. an elite school a kid from chicago, popular on campus well-known on campus. so it's shocking.

it's disappointing. i just can't understand. he apparently was attending what was probably a st. patrick's day celebration at the pub and ends up basically physically beat up. this is just unfortunate, an unfortunate example of this relationship between law enforcement agencies and young unarmed black men. >> how's the community responding right now? >> i think the way the community is responding the governor, the president of the university and the students the outpouring of support for this young man, i think is positive. what i hope is it will create a conversation. healing. understanding. university campuses are where values are set for young people who will play leadership roles throughout life in this nation and so it needs to be a learning moment for that campus and for campuses across the nation. >> all right, mark. thanks so much. still ahead on "morning

joe," we have nbc news foreign correspondent ayman mulldean and former britain foreign secretary david millavan. and this probably wasn't what graham nash had in mind when he sang "teach your children well" dozens expelled after their parents are on the building passing cheat sheets. we'll be right back. ♪ you are on the road ♪ must have a code that you must live by ♪

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an fbi investigation is underway into the case of a mississippi man found hanging from a tree. according to a source in the justice department the civil rights division of the doj is now involved.

investigators spent thursday gathering evidence but haven't concluded whether the man's death was a suicide or a homicide. and the mississippi chapter of the income appnaacp was identified near vicksburg, mississippi did it earlier this month. his family file add missing person's report six days later and his body found less than a mile from his home. local police and the fbi are going door to door today interviewing residents and others who knew him. in 1980 he was convicted of murdering a woman and spent over 25 years in prison and not so long ago, pring in msnbc correspondent joy reid. not so long ago, another case you tell us people jumped to conclusions and it ended up it was actually a suicide. you're saying this morning officials are taking a wait and see approach? >> absolutely. i spoke with the head of the

mississippi branch of the naacp and when the clayborn county branch contacted the state-wide branch, they then became involved, but derek johnson, the head of the naacp are being careful because of that previous case a hanging that alarmed a lot of people and did get national press and turned out to be a suicide. in this case they're withholding justice. the local sheriff is the immediate past president, turns out. a lot of trust in local authorities and now you have the fbi going door to door have spoken with the feel they're speaking with local residents. you could see from the images you showed it's a very rural area. about 45 miles from jackson, and so it's a very small area a very heavily wooded area but lower people from what i understand are taking a wait and see approach. >> marc morial what's the position? what's your position? your organization's position?

>> absolute right position is to take a wait and see attitude. and certainly the incident reminds us of that awful period in american history in the early part of the 20th century when there were thousands of lynchings, but i think we need to be careful here not to rush to judgment but we need to be vigilant we need to ensure that this investigation is thorough and indeed complete. but just the image and the thought of someone being hung from a tree shocks our conscience. >> you know, joy, you said something interesting when you came on-set today talking also about the uva case. mike asked you off camera. was this the charlottesville police? you say an agency with a pretty bad reputation? >> an agency that specifically is tasked with alcohol enforcement. a specific sort of police force, i believe it answers to the state, not a local police force.

i've had in my twitter timeline people saying look at them. they have a reputation that is not the best reputation. but i don't know of any previous incidents like this. i think that this incident specifically with those pictures and images that were tweeted out extensively yesterday, focused on this agency. that's one of the things i certainly would be interested in knowing more about. >> no doubt about it. thank you, joy. we greatly appreciate it. stay with us while we look at some of the morning pages from bloomberg, a man suspected of phoning threats against u.s. ambassador caroline kennedy arrested in japan. a 52-year-old from the island of okinawa. nbc news has not yet confirmed his identity. a good thing. i don't have to butcher his name. reports of threats surfaced two weeks ago after the ambassador in north korea was slashed by a man in seoul. the threats began before ambassador mark lippert was attacked. mike barnicle, obviously this family lived with with

obviously such tragedy through the years, and you just you fear even when she's in a role like this even her last name makes her a target? >> well it does and it's always there. always there. >> yeah. it's always there and she chooses to sevigneyrve sevigney -- serve anyway. >> and the "star advertiser." >> and it better be a story, if it's coming out of hawaii it better be a story about magnum p.i. >> i have it. it's not magnum p.i. but close. a close friend of president obama new owner of a luxurious hawaiian probably. a businessman from chicago bought the three-acre property for $8.7 million. the robin's nest the fictional home of tom selleck's title character in the 1980s police drama. the mansion was built in 1933 and boasts five bedrooms a boat tennis courts and a woman's bathhouse. >> yeah. >> i've stayed there many times.

>> i think somebody bought it for him. >> allow ha. daily mail is confirming the 2022 world cup will be moved from summer to winter. the unprecedented move means the final takes place on december 18th, the national day of host country cutter. the december scheduling will cause massive headaches for many european leagues, the tournament has drawn controversy over accusations cutter used bribes to secure the event. move the thing outta there. >> they're not accusations. >> i'd be shocked. >> they're not accusations. >> factual. >> they were factual bribes t. shouldn't be there. 1,000 reasons why it shouldn't be there. >> reasons and why the man who runs fifa should be thrown in jail the rest of his life. the most corrupt organization. americans are watching every four year excited about the world cup, joy, and say, wait a second. this is a corrupt organization to its core. a straight payoff.

at least the one in 2018 is going to a place where is they don't have bribes. putin the russia. >> the world cup at christmas isn't right. >> no. this casts such a dark shadow on fifa and only 3% of the people out there care. so "the washington post," parents in eastern india are going to new heights to help their children do well in school. in this case they decided to scale a school building to help them cheat on tests. this video shows students' families and friends climbing more than five stories clinging to ledges to pass notes to their children. more than 600 students expelled in the last few days for cheating. >> how much do you love me? what's that? >> no, this is real! >> not very subtle. >> this is real. and you know what? i think if we're going to show that piece out of india, i think it's perfect segue, marc morial you asked if it's real to one of our favorite all-time moments in "morning joe" history. this is what was happening to

those children, like 15 years ago. their parents were throwing them actually from buildings. remember that marx hallk halperin. not sure how that helps the children. still ahead, sara eisen, how the markets will close this week from the supreme court to capitol hill, breaking inging down a new list of the most powerful women in washington. first, here's bill karins on the list last year. not this year. a look at the forecast. >> look at the pictures. i'm bumped down joe. rain changing to snow a little bit ago. thankfully the roads look fine. hagerstown, maryland. down to 32 degrees and the roads starting to get slushy. we have snow on the trees and snow on the cars in northern maryland, and this scene is starting to play out now into pennsylvania and also into new jersey. moving into the philadelphia area, notice that the grass is starting to get covered but the roads are just fine. that's the theme today. let me take you through. right now temperatures from

allentown to new york to trenton, above freezing. intensity to pick up this afternoon we will see bands of heavier snow developing starting at noon philadelphia to trenton to allentown. new york city heaviest bands from 2:00 to 6:00 p.m. could get an inch an hour out of the band and could get slushy accumulations on the roads. by 11:00 p.m. tonight, everything is said and done. snowfall totals no the that huge of a storm, just the timing of the friday evening heading into the evening, inconvenient and the airport delays. two to for inches at snow. a couple locations around 5:00 or six. over the weekend, not many winter problems at all. rainy portions from texas all the way down to florida. leave you with a shot of washington, d.c. might as well be raining hopelyfully the last snowflakes until next winter but i think i said that a couple weeks ago. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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welcome back to "morning joe." mark halperin amy jones still with us. bring in sara eisen live at new york stock exchange. sara, interest rates may be up maybe not up. we don't know. a crazy week on wall street. what's today going to look like? >> open sharply higher looks like, joe. you're right.

turbulence all over markets, not just stocks it's in currencies a big problem, the price of oil and commodities all in the big question of whether the federal reserve, the central bank will raise interest rates. this week we learned they're not in such a hurry to do so. so the market liked that news. they don't want the easy money and all the stimulus to be over with but it looks like we'll have a good day. two earnings reports to highlight this morning. nike came out after the bell and tiffany came out this morning and the common thread in both of these reports american companies that do a lot of business overseas that are getting hurt by what is happening with the strong u.s. dollar. basically our currency has strengthened against everyone else in the world and that cuts into the profits of a lot of these american companies. that are doing business overseas, because when they bring back the money home it's just not worth as much. tiffany saw it in a big way nap was real disappointment. they're also feeling the impact of the strong dollar in that

tourists that come here to new york and to the united states just aren't spending as much money. because their currency is not worth as much. this currency issue is starting to wreak havoc on corporate profits. we'll see how the market treats those stocks today. the other story i thought you'd like joe, amazon finally got the green light from the faa, the regulateorsregulators, to start testing drones. >> i don't really like it. scares me. keep them out of my yard. one day is enough. what do you think about the drones? >> i think that for now you're not going to see them because it's just going to be tested in rural washington state, less than 400 feet in the air and amazon's been lobbying for this for a while. threatened to bring their dollars and business overseas better policies about this. not just amazon. a lot of businesses want to get into this cinematography journalism. drones could have a real commercial purpose in the country. at least they're testing it with approval. a good step. >> probably a good step. all right. thank you so much. appreciate you being with us. i guess i'm skeptical,

because i get one of these drones, and it's about 400 feet up in a tree right now in my backyard. >> you could put a camera on it and videotape your neighbors with these drones. that's legal. >> why do you think i get the drone? i got the gopro drone. i want to know what they're doing. you know? if they're talking about me. bring it right down on the barbecue. take it up. not quite. bring in the administrator of the u.s. small business administration, maria con trayous sweet thank you for being with us. >> good to see you again joe i. want to talk about, talking about the economy. seems like there's good news out there. i mean 60 -- you came in and you talked about -- >> yeah. >> 60 consecutive months of job growth. >> i like to brag when i see the secretary of labor come in he says mr. president this is the job growth but i remind him of the 60 mossnths of consecutive job growth two of three new jobs come from small businesses. there is a lot to celebrate.

>> define small business. how many people employed? >> generally speaking about 200 employees. but really the spa sets a code which is a very complicated system that says if you're a law firm it's different than if you're a ship builder. >> right. >> we set codes that set standards in different industries. >> talk about a couple different things. talk about jobs. a lot of people talking wages, unemployment going down. wagers stagnate but we hear some of the big places like walmart, t.j. maxx and target this week talking about raising wages. that's good news. i guess that's felt among small business? that pressure on wages going up is felt on small business as well? >> small businesses across the country, they say they need to compete with the corporate sector. they need to attract the best talent possible. so when the president propose add 10.10 minimum wage it can help them to become more kpesive. employ families not actually families they treat them like families and want them to have

level wages. >> what the strongest the affordable care act is helping small business in america? >> the same difference. small businesses have to compete with corporate america, providing a full health package. so now they can actually be much more competitive, because they've got the same kind of package. we pool so they can get the same package a corporation might have been able to get. >> that's working? thanks is working for them. the second thing working for them is that we're giving them the smaller and smaller business that they are, we give them a higher and higher tax credit in terms of what they spend to set up the program. so also getting tax credits, and then third, what's happening in terms of entrepreneurship, many who were in a job lock situation, didn't want to lose benefits, now can actually leave, start a new business. seeing entrepreneurship grow. >> if businesses want to do this they don't necessarily need a government coercion to do it. if they want to raise wages you don't need to make the min much wage higher pap decision made by

free markets and private individuals and business owners but my question is, what is the biggest obstacle that small business owners are facing and just starting up a new business in this kind of economic environment? >> first of all, what happens when you don't set a national rate is you don't have uniformity across the country. that's an important issue for small businesses. because now everything is on the internet and you've got to work across the country and so even a small business is national and need uniformity on minimum wage. to the extent small businesses are thriving we see consumer confidence and small business confidence, at an all-time high, we're also seeing that they need to get access to capital. and there's a disparity particularly for women if you're a minority, you walk in sometimes if there's just an implied bias. so we're trying to level the playing field. it's sort of like when you see the "voice," if you watch the show, somebody gets selected without actually having seen them. so what we did is just put up a program that we call linc a c

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british foreign secretary now the president's ceo of the international rescue committee david miliband and with us ayman mohyeldin. david, begin with you. an op-ed in "the washington post" about the syrian crisis you call it a tragedy, a true horror, and you say the united states is in a position to help by swiftly expanding resettlement and encouraging other donor states to follow its example. the moral choice is clear. and so his a historical lesson. how's history going to judge what we have not done over the past two, three years in syria? >> we've just celebrated to use a terrible word the fourth anniversary of the start of the syrian crisis. 220,000 dead 4 million refugees in neighbors countries. 12 million people homeless. half the whole population of syria and everyone's strug thing to find the right thing to do. the truth is history's going to judge us very very badly because this war has got worse and worse. the political options have gotten worse and worse and it's of course expanded into iraq. my point in the op-ed today, one

thing is wholly within the power of western countries that is how many of the most vulnerable refugees are allowed into our country. historically, america's been a world leader in this. half the world's registered refugees, about 70,000 a year come to the united states and the u.s. really has been the leader. >> la last year how many? >> 70,000. in rp to the syrian crisis. >> i'm saying syrians, 546. >> so 546, i saw the statistic. >> in four years. not one year. in four years. >> in sweden last year sweden accepted in 40,000 syrian refugees. the united states accepted 300. last year. >> yeah. >> so the four-year tally for the u.s. historic leader on refugee resettlement harks been 546. >> why is that? >> i think it's fundamentally bureaucratic inertia. the u.s. has a cap of 70,000 and everyone has always been hoping that the syrian crisis would get better but there's no sign of it getting better and to make it worse there are syrian-american

communities especially on the west coast, very successful. middle class people xpemed ed expelled from their homes. >> and you say syria's returned to the dark ages at global community is unable to solve the conflict. why is it that europe and the united states stood on the side lines over the past four horrific years? especially for samantha power, who wrote a problem from hell one pulitzer prize, i believe, for talking about how everybody stood by during the bosnian prices. the balkans crisis. we've done it again. right? >> yeah. and when there are no good options, the easiest thing in politics is not to take any of them and then you find a year later that the options are worse. >> get much, much worse. >> and the complexity grows. >> is the saudi government doing anything about its refugee government and is he here to stay? >> dealt himself into the game

between russia over the last four years and barrel bombing his own people. he is the fundamental cause of the problem. let's not loses sight of that. but the situation inside the country, we're humanitarian delivering aid inside syria as well as neighbors, the reason it's the dark ages not murder mayhem and torture that 83% of the lights in syria have now gone out. only 17 percent of country has got electricity to light their homes. >> a dreadful situation and a lot of americans are sympathetic, but also war weary and have the question why isn't the region being asked to step up to solve this problem? why is this a problem that the united states or even western europe for that matter has an obligation to get involved? >> a great point. when it comes to refugee, lebanon, one in four lebanese citizens are refugees. >> you can understand a lot of americans also very concerned about the refugees when we know isis is on the ground in syria and do we have the intelligence to source out who it it coming here peacefully versus

infiltrating? >> good point. the u.s. has stringent requirements so we don't let in people who are a danger to country. remember, you cannot have the blessings of a being a global leader without taking the burdens of it. true for the u.s. and for the western europe. >> and i want to ask you about the election. a lot of people sitting on the fact netanyahu who won the election supposedly a really hard shift to the right. i said right after the election and liberals from tel aviv to los angeles like putting on sack cloth and ashes. i said nixon went to china. you know reagan pushed arms control at the end. stranger things have happened. the next day he reverses course and everybody's been so focused on netanyahu i don't think they took note of who came in third place. >> and certainly historic -- >> a huge shift in israeli politics t. is. more specifically it's for the israeli arab citizens of that country because it was a first time they've ever ran on a unified list.

historically the arab population of israel has run on separate parties. together they've now run to meet that electoral threshold in israel, and actually came in third overall, which makes them an important force. >> israeli arabs? >> israeli arabs. the message it sends, if the israeli arab population of that country can get together they can at least have a say in their own afares and try to improve their conditions. they've been complaining for years of treated at second-class citizen, marginalized discriminated against and now at least can have a say in some of the politics of that country. >> you spent a long hot, tragic summer in gaza last year. do you think netanyahu's victory was a response to israelis feeling less secure? >> i've been covering israeli politics as well as on the ground the last decade. i think the country dramatically shifted to the right in its attitudes and politics. >> why is that? >> perhaps because of the region. the region shifted israel to the right in respect is growing concern when they look outside beyond borders there is constant

turmoil. that means as we've seen in this country you want strong leadership in moments of crisis of national security and so the rhetoric becomes in the political campaigning and elsewhere this is about security and that's what the israeli prime minister campaign and. it was time and time again repeated he was the strong best, secure choice for the people of israel but going back to your question what happened this past summer? speaking to people in gaza to people in the west bank if not breaks, no paradigm shift a cycle that will repeat itself within a matter of time. prime minister's coming in hawkish and both sides still wide in -- >> david, have to go. how far away from peace? further than ever? >> yeah. a brave man or woman, happening in our lifetimes, the danger now, either the jewish state becomes undemocratic or the democratic state becomes unjewish. that's the dilemma that faces israel today and frankly a very very profound moment.

>> too optimistic. i'll take your bet. in our lifetime peace. hopefully i'll live a long time. make sure i win that bet. david, thank you so much. as always love having you. read david's op-ed in "the washington post" today. very important. ayman, stay with us. coming up next who has the most power in washington? "elle" magazine reveals its list on who's top in the nation's capital. i'm thrown off by snow in march. supposed to read this and i'm seeing snow coming down in front of the lego capital. and it's just all a little too much for me on a friday in late march. we'll be right back. ♪ if you're running a business legalzoom has your back. over the last 10 years we've helped one million business owners get started.

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all right. with us now editor and chief of "elle" magazine here with the magazine's fifth annual women in washington power list. of course, we've been talking about important things like "gilligan's island" and things like that. so the washington power list one of our friends, nicolle wallace. >> listen, she's having a wonderful time. isn't she? bringing her power dynamic to television, and nicole is on list because, you know amy and i were just talking who was left off the list. it's not about who we're leaving out but who we're put og this year, who's making an impact and we're very proud of the list because we have a wonderful, interesting mix of women.

the reason we do this list is really, because what we're interests in is how women get power. how they accrue it and what they do with it once they have it. because you may think it's a cliche, but women actually use power in ways that in different ways than men do. >> far differently. yeah. >> they do. >> no doubt about it. also amy klobuchar. >> the first female senator from minnesota. >> great picture of her. >> well thank you. we try to do that too, well as "elle." she got into politics the way so many women do. through a personal issue. i don't know if people know this about her, she was kicked out of the hospital while she had to leave her sick baby in the hospital. she said this isn't right. i shouldn't be separated at this point and started to fight for mother's rights and women's rights. >> yeah. >> my friend gwen ifill. >> gwen the dean of the

washington press corps. you know again, just an incredibly sort of important journalist in washington, but also, you know i was talking with her and said what's it like to be able to get anybody on the phone? she said just about anybody. but, you know you guys probably get pretty much anybody on the phone, too. >> except for gwen. >> hard to reach. >> except for gwen. >> what was your criteria for coming up with these ladies? >> again power. i mean that's one thing. you know. you know that men sort of run things in washington. it's important for us to bring all of these women together and show what that looks like and i will tell you, it's about the list but also an event we do. we did it two nights ago. the most interesting thing about the event, these women all know each other but don't spend time together. what everyone writes to me after the dinner is i've made new friends. i've made new connections. >> that's great. >> and we're going to do things together. going to do important things together. that's really what's important

about the list is getting something done. >> are they all wearing their unclothes in these photos? >> what a question. >> are they their own clothes or loaners? >> we all get loaners. >> one of the worst jobs in washington jen. general made the list. >> getting a new job. >> a better job instead of trying to sort through what happened at the state department. >> she told us interesting, the fact the kremlin was angry with her she took that as a badge of honor. she's a fighter and she's good at what she does. >> all right. thank you so much for being with us. please, come back. >> thanks for having me. looking for the full list in the any issue of "elle" magazine. coming up next what if anything, did we learn today.

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cut that out. stop it. i told you meerkat leads to hepatitis-c. that is no good. what did you learn today, amy? >> mark is a compulsive meerkater, streamer needing to be in media at all times, 24/7. >> ayman? >> i learned the world cup is in december and now changing my plans for the next four years as i try to figure how to get off that timeline. >> absolutely pathetic. go to euro 26. >> says a lot of money and world soccer. >> i learned mike bashicrnicle is

a fraidy cat when it coming to snow. >> going to boston. thank you so much for watching the show not only today also this week and thanks for all the names going across the bottom of the screen now. the three people that actually put this show together everything day. >> and who wake up early. >> way too early. >> stay tuned for "morning meeting "with dylan ratigan. >> stay tuned because right now it's "the rundown." >> bye, meerkat. >> bye. and good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. you are looking at a live picture of hagerstown maryland today we spring into spring with a shot of snow. a storm tracking along the mid-atlantic into the northeast right now. and we begin at the white house where they're getting some of this precipitation with developing news on the nuclear showdown with iran. right now in switzerland, secretary of state john kerry is engaged in high-stakes talks with his iranian counterpart.