serving somebody. in memory of her, i'm going to keep serving. serve somebody. willie barrow taught us that. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. monica lewinsky takes on the culture of hate. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm jonathan capehart in for chris matthews. let me start tonight with the return of monica lewinsky. it's been 17 years since she became the face of the biggest scandal in the world. today she's 41 and speaking out about what she calls a culture of abuse and humiliation online. in a ted talk yesterday, she described what happened to her as an early example of this new kind of abuse.

quote, overnight, i went from being a completely private figure to a publicly humiliated one worldwide. i was patient zero of losing a personal reputation on a global scale almost instantaneously. i was branded as a tramp, tart slut, whore, bimbo and, of course, that woman. i was known by many but actually known by few. i get it. it was easy to forget that woman was dimensional and had a soul. a marketplace has emerged with public humiliation is a commodity and shame is an industry. how is the money made? clicks. the more shame, the more clicks. the more clicks the more dollar. we need to return to a long held value of compassion and empathy. she delivered this hopeful message -- >> anyone who is suffering from shame and public humiliation needs to know one thing. you can survive it. i know it's hard.

it may not be painless quick or easy but you can insist on a different ending to your story. >> i'm joined by reporter jessica bennett who spent the last month shadowing lewinsky for a profile in "the new york times" and michelle goldberg senior contributing writer for "the nation." jessica, i have to say i'm very impressed by the moves being made by monica lewinsky of late. as i said in the intro, you shadowed her for a month. why is she compelled to publicly talk about all this now? >> well you know, that's sort of the question mark in the air. she declined to comment about the clintons at all for this piece, but she has said publicly that it just felt like it was the right time. you know she's been in hiding virtually for the past decade. and she wanted to come forward. she didn't want to hide her past any more. and as far as current events are concerned, it's actually pretty good timing. you know there's a lot of discussion about cyber bullying right now. >> a lot of discussion.

she talks a lot about the marketplace for public humiliation and shame. what's causing that? i know she said it's about clicks and advertising, but is there more to it than that? >> well you know she has a story that everyone wants to know about. and i actually think she did a pretty brilliant job of combining her personal story with some of the juicy details that everyone still wants to hear with this larger narrative. i think some of this has to do with just the proliferation of social media. it's easier to shame and harass people online these days but at the same time had her story unfolded today, i think what we would have seen would have been different. i think there would have been a way to push back against this echo chamber and have room for different voices and maybe voices of defense. >> i want to go to something ashley judd said earlier this week. she was on msnbc talking to thomas roberts and she was talking about the abuse she received online after posting a tweet about a college basketball game. >> the way things happen on

social media is so abusive and everyone needs to take personal responsibility. >> sure. >> for what they write and not allowing this misinterpretation and shaming culture on social media to persist. by the way, i'm pressing charges. >> how has it gotten -- how bad has it really gotten here? >> i think getting death threats, gets rape threats is part of the price of admission for being on twitter particularly if you're a woman. you know it's overwhelming for a lot of people. i had a piece in "the washington post" a couple of week ago talking to many women writers who were thinking about quitting because they find it so demoralizing and sometimes so frightening. it's only very very recently that we've seen anyone in law enforcement take these threats -- threats that would be clearly actionable if they were made by phone or by mail, take them seriously when they're made

online. >> speaking of the piece you wrote for "the washington post," you wrote, feminists of the past faced angry critics, letters to the editor and even protests. but the incessant violent sneering sexualized hatred their successors absorb is harder to escape. what's -- i mean women are thinking about not going into writing because of all this. how can they combat this? >> you know i'm not sure that anybody can or should be expected to combat it on their own, right? often you hear grow a thicker skin or don't let it get to you. but that's not how human psychology works. very few people can disregard the insults and messages that they're bombarded with all day every day. we kind of know who we are in the world by the way other people react to us in many cases. so the people who can begin to address this are the platforms, right? twitter is not natural.

its's a technology and there are technological decisions that make hate spread faster. we know from studies that anger is the emotion that ricochets around the network the fastest. there are some technological fixes if the network is willing to institute them. >> yesterday in her ted talk lewinsky said one thing in particular motivated her. that was the 2010 suicide of a gay rutgers student after his roommate set up a web cam and shared a video of him with another man. that student tyler clementi jumped from the death days later. lewinsky -- tyler's trangic death was a turning point for me. it served to reconteeks tuallize my experiences. i began to look at the world of humiliation and bullying around me and see something different. every day online people who are

not developmentally equipped to handle this are so abused and humiliated that they can't imagine living to the next day. what is motivating her to focus on this issue. it's tyler clementi but there's more to it than that. >> she has a riveting story about when this happened to tyler clemente in 2010 she was talking to her mother. and her mothers was just gutted and devastated about this death. but monica couldn't figure out why she was so upset. she realized that her mom was actually sort of replacing her with tyler. this is what she thought might have happened to her daughter. and she talks about how during that era, her mother made her shower with the door open. she sat by her bed every night as she was getting ready to go to sleep. she did consider suicide at times. and so i think by trying to broaden this to the larger landscape, what she hopes is that she can tell her story and show that she did indeed survive and maybe serve as inspiration for other people who are facing

this. >> i want to close out with this and ask you both this question if monica were to happen today, how would the coverage be different? start with you, michelle? >> well i think that on the one hand she would probably face even more abuse in that her past would be excavated, everything she'd ever written online or offline would probably be up for grabs, but at the same time there would be more push back more awareness of slut-shaming some of the things that people in the mainstream media, i'm thinking particularly of maureen dowd you couldn't get away with this today. >> we didn't even have a term to talk about this back then. the term "absoluteslut-shaming" didn't come to the fore. you see this new generation of young women who are journalists covering this issue and bloggers who are talking about it in a

way that i think is more enlightened than we were back then. a lot of this is progress in a lot of realms. >> absolutely progress in a whole lot of realms. thank you, jessica bennett and michelle goldberg. president obama is pushing hard for that deal with iran. and appealing to iranians to get it done. despite loud opposition from the right both here and in israel. now that congressman aaron schock is resigning, the ethics committee can investigate whether his lavish spending broke the law, but the feds can. we're learning they're looking into the case. not just the candidates running for president who need to watch what they say. with the rise of social media, candidates are now catching heat for things their staffers say. rick perry's the latest after he hired a guy who said it isn't god's will to have a female president. finally, is a woman's place on the 20? there's a growing movement to replace andrew jackson's face on the $20 bill with a woman.

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the select committee investigating benghazi today formally asked hillary clinton to turn over her private e-mail server. the committee's chairman south carolina republican trey gowdy is asking the former secretary of state to turn that server over to the state department's inspector general or a mutual third party. in a letter gowdy wrote, though secretary clinton alone is responsible for causing this issue, she alone does not get to determine its outcome. we have no interest in secretary clinton's personal e-mails, but the american people have a clear right to the public records from her time as secretary of state. clinton has pledged that all her work-related e-mail will be made public but says she deleted thousands of messages related to personal matters and has said her e-mail -- private e-mail server will remain private.

welcome back to "hardball." crunch time for a nuclear deal with iran. the deadline for reaching a

framework agreement is the end of march. negotiators are set to resume talks next week. but according to "the wall street journal," diplomats say there are still a lot of issues that haven't been resolved including when and how to lift international sanctions. yesterday president obama posted a message to youtube celebrating the persian new year and he spoke directly to the iranian people urging them to support a deal. >> the days and weeks ahead will be critical. our negotiations have made progress but gaps were made. and there are people in both our countries and beyond who oppose a diplomatic resolution. my message to you, the people of iran is that together we have to speak up for the future we seek. iran's leaders have a choice between two paths -- if they cannot agree to a reasonable deal, they will keep iran on the path it's on today. a path that is isolated irp and the iranian people from so much of the world. on the other hand, if iron'san's leaders can agree to a

reasonable deal it can lead to a path of greater opportunities for the iranian people. this moment may not come again soon. i believe that our nations have a historic opportunity to resolve this issue peacefully, an opportunity we should not miss. howard fineman is global editorial director for the huffington post and david korn from "mother jones" both are msnbc political analysts. crunch time for an iran deal. what's at stake, howard? >> what's at stake is some measure of good news out of the middle east at a time when the rest of it is being torn apart by sectarian violence by problems in israel and with the palestinians. this would be some measure of advance toward some form of piece and lessening the possibility of iran becoming a nuclear power. it's very important the president is right, he's right to be pursuing an agreement, but the details are what matter. and my understanding is the big problem now is over as you

said when and how and under what conditions to start lifting some of those sanctions. i think the big purpose of bibi netanyahu's speech here substantively was, look don't lift those sanctions right away. if nothing else keep all the sanctions on till the very end. that's not going to happen. but the question is what will. >> how does prime minister netanyahu's re-election complicate things or change the terrain in terms of the negotiations considering he's so dead-set against them? >> i was reading the top tehran times the other day. not something i usually do. >> name dropper. >> and it's actually affiliated with the government there, no big mystery about that. and the commentary the lead commentary in it was netanyahu's speech and his re-election may make it easier for the united states and iran -- not just the united states, the united states and other nations and iran to

cut a deal. i think because they both are pissed off by netanyahu, that he's -- you know he has really sort of driven you know his enemies in some ways or people he disagrees with together made them more committed. no one wants to take credit for blowing up this deal. and so far it's pretty amazing what's been accomplished to date on some of the key issues there's already been pretty good settlement. the iraq plutonium production the fridle uranium gas issue and the centrifuges at the natanz site, all this has been worked out. and iran has agreed to very strenuous inspection regimes that go far beyond anything that was done with north korea and russia in terms of nuclear weapons. we're down to this issue on how to lift the sanctions and it's tough because france and the united states now have an internal disagreement about what to do over that.

and that has to be worked out before -- >> right. >> -- the negotiations proceed. >> well, right. at the end of march. but you know prime minister netanyahu isn't the only one who is against a deal. on wednesday congressman louis gomert articulated the alternative to a deal. it's time to stop talking and start bombing. >> we need to encourage this administration to go take out iran's nuclear capability. i don't think that we ought to put israel in a position of having to save both themselves and the united states. i think it's time to bomb iran. >> you know some other conservatives have been a little more subtle when talking about the need for a credible threat of military force. here's what senator tom cotton said last week on "morning joe." >> israel struck iraq's nuclear program in 1981 and they didn't reconstitute it. israel struck syria's nuclear program and they haven't yet

reconstituted it. rogue regimes have a way of getting the picture when there's a threat of military force that we won't allow the world's worst regimes to get the world's worst weapons. >> how much is this republican right opposition in the united states be a factor there in those negotiations? >> i don't thing they're a factor in what's going to come out in the talks between russia china, franz, germany and britain. this is not a treaty this is not even an agreement. a memo of understanding that the president is fully authorized to do without congressional approval. i think you'll see a fight with congress trying to find a way to intervene. but i think right now both sides are kind of ignoring to certain extents the bombast and rhetoric coming from bibi netanyahu and the republicans here and working on the really hard substance of getting this teal put together. >> howard, let me ask you, after

bibi netanyahu's win this week the israeli leader was celebrated as a real leader by many on the right, implicit in that was criticism of our own leader. congressman gohmert had to to say. >> maybe he'll start being more helpful to israel instead of slapping them around as an unwelcome visitor and start treating them like a friend. >> meanwhile, mike huckabee accused president obama of having disdain for israel. >> this administration in general and this president in particular has an extraordinary disdain for israel in general and benjamin netanyahu in particular and it's just inexplicable. >> why does obama have the extraordinary disdain for israel in general? why? >> it's hard for me to understand that. the only thing i can fathom is that he has such an extraordinary sense of identity with sympathy for many of the

other middle eastern nations. i think he recents the strength of israel he resents very much the strength of benjamin netanyahu. >> clearly mike huckabee is on the din eshesh d'souza train. does it seem to you that folks here in the united states in which bibi netanyahu was their leader? >> i think the problem that netanyahu has politically in the united states and around the world is this -- i don't think anybody would begrudge israelis their sense of concern about the rhetoric coming out of iran about iran's talk of wanting to destroy israel. the israelis have every right to be skeptical and so do we. but netanyahu has undercut his broad bipartisan appeal by number one, making common cause with the hard right of the republican party by turning himself into a wedge issue here in the united states in an attempt to divide the democratic

party. and by saying in the last couple of days of the election that he would reject the idea of a two-state solution in israel and palestine and also raising alarms about the number of arab israeli arab voters who would take part in the election. those kinds of things get in the way of the israelis being heard seriously for their objections about any possible deal with iran. so what netanyahu has done politically in the united states and i think around the world is to undercut his own political legitimacy in making those arguments. the people who are for the deal are perfectly willing to confuse the two. they're really somewhat separate issues about what you do with the palestinians and what you do in internal israeli politics and what you do about iran. but netanyahu is hopelessly and to israel's debt ra meant confused the two. >> there's no talking about that

comes out about obama disdaining israel at large and mike huckabee essentially accusing him of being a secret muslim is sort of distanced from reality. if you go to israel itself netanyahu only got a quarter of the vote. there's a lot of people there who hold him, his government and his view on these issues in disdain as well. so to equate president obama's opposition to netanyahu's approach to the peace process, to netanyahu's obvious attempts to sabotage the iranian talks, at least politically here with disdain of all of israel is really perfidious. it shows once again they're trying to make obama seem not american. >> right. >> that's not the case. >> and if anything the disdain is between the two leaders not

between the countries. "the new york times" wrote that bibi's win this week creates a real complication for -- guess who, hillary clinton. according to "the times" hillary is now believed to be under pressure from her own party to speak up against a government that is openly hostile to mr. obama, but if she criticizes israel she risks prompting an influential segment of more conservative jewish democrats to withhold their support from her presidential campaign. >> yes, that's what a wedge issue is. it's something you use to divide the other party. and the republican conservative strategists in which i include the u.s. -- the israeli ambassador to the united states ron dermer a very shrewd guy and hardball politician trained in america, they're using this idea of undying and narrow

support for israel as a way to divide the democratic party, if they can. not only get jewish voters in the republican column but to divide the democrats and it will have an effect and something that hillary will have to deal with. >> at the same time this is causing problems within the jewish community regarding its relationship to netanyahu and israel. so there are wedges and wedges. >> a lot of wedges. thank you, howard fineman and david corn. thanks very much. new information about the investigation into aaron schock of illinois.

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reimbursements and airplane flights. but schock's legal troubles appear to be just beginning. nbc news confirmed earlier today that federal law enforcement officials are investigating the four-term congressman over campaign finance and tax issues. the irs and federal prosecutors are all looking into the allegations that schock improperly accounted for travel expenses and contributions from political donors. now, the congressman's father dr. richard schock most candidly to reporters outside his home on wednesday about his son's growing problems. >> i know it's a law. so yeah he's broke the law. if they're going to convict him on paperwork, they're going to convict him. and that's their privilege. if it's the law and he broke the law and they want to convict him on that fine. but he has done a lot of good in his life. ten years from now, whatever he's doing, he'll be successful at i'll promise you that.

two years from now he'll be successful because -- if he's not in jail. >> oh boy. for more on this story, i'm yoined by lynn sweet of the "chicago sun-times" who has been breaking news on this story and ken vogel for politico. lynn, what do you think about the details of a federal investigation? do you see jail time? >> well i think that's getting ahead of ourselves as to speculate about prison or not. i think that what he has some very serious potential criminal charges potentially looming and when you talk about, you know what the sanction is on all this, a lot depends if there's a plea agreement or not, or if there's a trial. i don't want to get ahead of ourselves because i think he's in enough trouble right now as is without figuring out what the sanction's going to be jonathan. and this is a very serious inquiry. subpoenas have been delivered to

a lot of people who are familiar with his campaign and official spending. fbi agents who are based in springfield, illinois have been in washington this week. they've been wanting to talk to people. so i think he has an enormous legal problem right now, and there will be a grand jury in springfield and very soon they'll start hearing testimony. >> right, ken, one of the reasons why i guess we're talking about jail time is because his own father brought it up. >> thanks dad. >> yeah thanks dad, in that doorstep interview. what do you make of those comments from his father? >> yeah little bizarre. certainly not helpful for the son if he's potentially mouthnting a defense here if charges are brought. but there's something to it. this idea like either he's going be in jail or he's going to be successful this is a really hard charging dude. he was working with a ticket brokerage when he was in middle school. he was elected to the school board when he was 19. he was doing real estate deals when he was in college.

he was elected to congress at a young age. so he really pushed the envelope, he pushed the envelope on his spending when he was in office in an effort to sort of build himself up as a personality and as a fund-raiser, and it stands to reason that this is sort of inherent to some extent in his personality and that whatever he does do next he will sort of charge at it in the same way that we have seen throughout his life. >> when you look at the stories about the spending and the mileage and the airplanes and everything, and we now know that all these things ran against rules and laws it makes you wonder, who was minding the store? why wasn't anyone minding the store, lynn? >> well in this case he had a very weak staff. and oftentimes it is a chief of staff who will go to a member and say, you can't do this. that's part of the brief of being a chief of staff is to be able to make sure things are reported correctly and help make sure that everybody on the staff

knows about the ethics rules. there's supposed to be ethics training. not everybody may have been in compliance. we know that there was sloppy paperwork in how he reported things on the campaign side. and i guess people who are listening know there's allegations concerning how he misused taxpayer money and campaign money. far more serious is any allegation dealing with taxpayer money because that has to do with conversion of taxpayer money to public use. i think a lot of the campaign laws, as ken knows and has done so much reporting on they're a little looser. but if federal prosecutors want to have a long list of particulars against you, everything can be counted up. >> you know lynn and jonathan it is that the campaign laws sort of have some ambiguity as to how you can spend this stuff, but even as some of my colleagues reported in a story about the mileage reimbursements there's not a whole lot of backstop on any of

this stuff. while there may be recordkeeping problems and may be laxness in some of the enforcement, particularly on the mileage thing no one is really watching this stuff. so unless you go through the particularly involved process of filing a freedom of information act request to a dmv in a state to check how many miles were on the odometer of a car, you're not going to be able to compare these two things. and no one is really doing it. so i think it highlights the degree to which some of this stuff is self-enforcing. >> and again, we have the same information and filed freedom of information act, too, but even without that what this episode shows is that each member gets a little more than a million dollars to run his or her office. and basically there's no audit. there's very little compliance. if you put in -- most of us if we have expense accounts there might be some oversight. you have a supervisor sign off

on it. in the end aaron schock put in for expenses which only he as the boss there is no one over him. i'm not saying there has to be but jonathan when you asked about staffing before usually with a strong experienced chief of staff they can help enforce doing the right thing within. but this system is set up in a way that is unlike anything that really exists in the private world. >> and as a result of great fund-raiser and political talent, former rising star in the gop, he's now resigned his seat. thank you, lynn sweet and ken vogel. >> thank you so much. >> up next what happens when campaign staffers say the stupidest things? you're watching "hardball.

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politico writes today the crosshairs are no longer trained solely on the candidates themselves. staffers are now also considered fair game for opposition research hits and campaigns are struggling to react to a world in which the candidate isn't always the focal point for the attacks. there have been several casualties of this new form of campaign warfare. just this week liz mayor resigned her post 48 hours after starting her job leading social media and online communications for scott walker's political action committee after old tweets she wrote resurfaced and offended some. she tweeted in january, the sooner reremove iowa's front-running status the better off we'll be. jeb bush's new technology officer resigned under similar circumstances when it was discovered he was deleting old tweets he had written referring to women as quote, sluts. and late last night, texas governor rick perry disavowed

comments made about women four years ago by a news staffer perry hired just 24 hours earlier. the aide jamie johnson, questioned whether a woman should be president in a 2011 e-mail leaked to the "des moines register," quote, is it god's highest desire, that is his biblically expressed will to have a woman running the institutions of the family the church and the state? are plit aides fair game too? joining us josh barro of "the new york times" and are political staffers fair game? >> whether people believe they should be or not, the reality is that they are. there needs to be a more thorough vetting process on the part of these campaigns because it's easy to unearth some of these tweets. liz mair's tweet wouldn't have taken much more than five or ten

minutes possibly to uncover that. and some of these posts that are coming on facebook and what are quote, unquote private social media accounts. at the end of the day if you're going to work for a high profile candidate nothing is private and those views will probably be ascribed to your boss. >> should they be fair game? >> depends what the staffers do. liz mair's tweets should have fallen into the reasonable people can disagree. scott walker can say i think the iowa caucus is wonderful because he's someone trying to win the iowa caucus. it depends on what the staffer did. if you had a white supremacist staffer, you wouldn't go out and say, i'm not a white supremacist. the question is there's this -- if we have the spectrum that goes from like what order the nominating process ought to go to white supremacy and you have things in the middle you have to figure out what are the things the candidate can say i disagree with my staffer but that's just a reasonable disagreement. >> are candidates guilty by

association? is that fair? >> i don't know if they should be guilty by sosh yags but in advance when they're doing the hiring they have to figure out am i willing to stand by this person and as sabrina says in the case of liz mair those are easily findable. so i think if a candidate is hiring a staffer who is going to be public facing in particular but who also is going to be with them for a long period of time it's up to the candidate to decide can i stand by this person and this person's views. >> i just have to say liz mair like you said we're just talking politics. >> that to me seemed to be more like an orchestrated attack that was personal probably on the part of an opposing republican campaign even though she suggested that it might have been democrats. people want to start thinking about the implications if you do find material that's unflattering because it's a distraction from the actual campaign you're running. that's why it's important to not run unnecessary headlines about

allegedly racist or sexist staffers when you're trying to pitch a message. >> the thing is people have much bigger digital foot prints than they used to. if we keep the same standards about what's disqualifying more and more people will get disqualified because everybody has said something publicly that someone can complain about. >> true. >> there are still things that staffers can say that ought to be disqualifying but how stringent do we want those standards to be? jeb bush has shown that you don't like this staffer, he has jim baker advising him. people think that he's not hawkish enough on foreign policy, he has an openly gay communications director or likely will if he launches his campaign. >> you mean jeb bush not jim baker. >> jeb bush. he'll take flack for that but that's something he's decided he's going to do. not everything that a staffer does is necessarily a reason that you have to fire that staffer. scott walker made an error by

overreacting here. and i think that jeb is hopefully trying to chart that course where you can say well reasonable people will disagree. >> speaking of the rules of the game both democratic and republican operatives agree that the rules of campaign warfare have changed. ted divine told politico there's more awareness of the fact that if you're going to hire somebody on the payroll of a campaign that person needs to be subjected to some kind of scrutiny. and republican strategist ron calf kaufman said people are getting caught saying things in the past when maybe the rules were a little bit different. that's just the way it is. >> this will look very different a generation from now when most campaign hires are digital natives who have lived their entire lives online. >> speaking of 25 years from now, i'm just trying to wrap my head around this meerkat thing. >> gosh. >> where you can live do whatever to twitter and then it disappears? >> yeah. >> sort of like a snapchat for

twitter. based on my limited understanding, i'm having trouble. i grew up in the digital world, keeping up with every tool. people are using more innovative technologies. >> is this going to make campaigning -- i focus on meerkat because i'm sort of irritated by it. but will it make politics that much uglier that much more unwieldy? >> so this has nonpornographic users? i don't know. we've already got politicians using vine and we had -- which house committee was it put out the memes today about how mad they are about the president's executive action on immigration. they had all the gifs acting surprised that the president went around congress. i don't know how much this happens. >> i got to stop you there. but we're coming back. the roundtable is staying with us. up next the growing movement to put a woman's face on the $20 bill. . it's not about being wasteful either.

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>> i just want to say that andrew jackson has great presidential hair. however, i love this idea and i will vote for harrit tubman. she became a union spy, a scout, and she retired with a pension of $20 a month so it is perfect. >> that is great, josh who replaces andrew jackson on your $20. >> from the list we were given, i pick rosa parks. there is a strong pull for people from politics. >> we're going to open it up and i know your other one, which i think is fantastic, and let's go to you sabrina. >> now we have a tie because i

also picked rosa parks. i just think we were having this discussion right now at this moment about civil rights especially with the civil rights ruling on the voting rights act last year and a university -- i think it sends a strong message and we have honored her in so many other different ways. i feel like this is the obvious next step to be taken. >> let's put that $20 bill back up because i also said rosa parks for all of the reasons you both articulate. you said georgia o'keefe. she was just pretending to be

french and that is very american. >> it seems like this is a long delayed move. the president could be within his own authority, and it is such a strong message i think to children when you team them about money, all of the examples they have are just men. i feel like this is one subtle way to honor the contributions that women have made to this country. and it is sending a message to kids who are getting their pocket money, their allowances that there has been no woman to look up to. >> i had two women in my list maryann anderson who was denied entry to the d.a.r. to constitution hall. so eleanor roosevelt said why don't you sing in front of the lincoln memorial. and jesse norman. do you have any that are off of

the grid? >> yes, maya angelo incredibly inspiring figure to millions around the world. >> we're having a discussion about putting american on american money, on the american dollar bill but who carries cash any more. >> you would be surprised the number of cash only places i have encountered here in new york. it's not just about how many people are carrying cash, but the message you're secondnding. and to this very you know -- >> is there a way to put a woman on bit coin? it does seem kind of funny that we're putting woman on currency -- >> but symbols matter. >> it's not like we haven't had women on money.

susan b. anthony dollar a coin. sac sac was it because they're coins and not the actual paper? >> when i think about a woman on money, it's the queen. english or canadian currency. i think it would be pretty antiamerican to put the queen of england on our money. thank you, we'll be back after this. everywhere, every time. and 2% back at the grocery store. even before she got 3% back on gas all with no hoops to jump through. katie used her bankamericard cash rewards credit card to stay warm and toasty during the heat of competition. that's the comfort of rewarding connections. apply online or at a bank of america near you.

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