back saying they had not agreed to that. there have been problems on resolving how much research and development iran can continue to have during the possible decade of these talks and the five or so years afterwards. and also how much -- how quickly the sanctions on iran -- and they are complicated, not just sanctions from the u.s. two types of u.n. sanctions and european sanctions, when would they be phased out. to get clarity on all of that marie harf is the spokesperson from the state department. marie, we know you can't talk about the actual details of these negotiations but how likely is it that there will be a framework, some sort of agreement by midnight tomorrow night or shortly there after? >> i think we really still don't know. there's much uncertainty in the room as there is among the press trying to cover it. we're closer but there's still really big issues that iran hasn't made decisions on yet. we're not going to take a bad deal. we have to be assured we goatet to

a year breakout time. that's been the bottom line. we don't know what's going to happen over the next 36 hours. >> how surprised are you that foreign minister lavrov from russia came late and then went to a meeting last night and went to a large meeting today, another one and then left? >> well all of the ministers have come when it made sense in their schedules. i'm not concerned about it. the secretary spoke to him on the phone a few times. the russians have played a key role and he said he'll come back tomorrow. we'll work through the night tonight. his team is still here and experts are very good particularly on nuclear issues and they'll keep working. >> and when we talk about a deal, we're talking about our commitments, promises to try to create a one year breakout period, one year of a warning before iran could if it were to cheat, develop a nuclear weapon. a lot of people say that by not

exporting their fuel while there are other ways to get at it they are more difficult and it will be harder to persuade congress. >> when we talk about a one year breakout time there's an equation that gets you to that. a combination of centrifuge numbers and types. and how much stock pile they have left during the deal. regardless of whether they ship out to another country or dilute it on their own, they will have to get rid of a lot of it. so it doesn't really matter how you do that. it's at the end of the day you're able to do that. that gets you to a year breakout time. today we're two to three months of breakout time. our experts judge if you can get to a year you can detect if they tried to do something like breakout and have time to act. >> wouldn't it be a lot easier to persuade critics on hill and in israel and gulf states and elsewhere nervous about the deal, don't think it's tough enough if the nuclear fuel were shipped out of the country and

iran had no access to it wouldn't that be a much better solution? >> technically no it's not better. the point is getting it diluted to a point technically where you can't use it for a nuclear weapon. obviously we are not going to settle for anything less than a year breakout. there's a number of equations that can get there. we're talking to the iranians about a number of ways to get rid of the stock pile. one is shipping it out of the country and one is diluting it in country. if we can get to an agreement, i'm confident it is one we can defend that will hold up publicly. when people say what we've gotten, they will be confident that we've gotten the best deal we can. >> what if you don't? >> that's the million dollar question. what we're focused on is the next 36 hours seeing if we can. honestly we will have to look at where we are inside the room and the path forward and make tough decisions then. we have said march 31st is a real deadline and everyone knows congress is waiting to act if we can't get to an agreement. we're cognizant of that. we'll have to see where we are

inside the room and have tough discussions with the iranians that their decisions don't get easier and if they couldn't make them now, how do we know they can make them in the future? >> do we want this more than they do? >> no i would not say that. i think everyone inside the room wants to get a deal. but from our perspective we're not the ones under sanctions and who violated multiple u.n. security council resolutions and built an underground nuclear facility multiple facilities and hid them from the world. we and the rest of the international community want to get to a diplomatic agreement because we know it's the best and more durable to prevent them from getting a weapon. but iran needs the kinds of sanctions relief that only comes after a comprehensive agreement. they will not get the relief they need if we can't. they know that. >> thanks for real insight into what's going on in there. >> happy to be there. >> secret talks. >> yes. >> of course we'll be here until the bitter end.

back to you, luke we'll be back later in the program to talk with some of the reporters and nuclear expert about this whole issue of what to do with enrichedenrich ed you'reuranium, a reported shooting at the entrance of nsa headquarters in ft. meade maryland, two men disguised in women after they tried to enter the facility in an suv. at least one of the men was shot by a security guard. nbc's jim miklaszewski is at the pentagon with more. jim, receiving word this was not related to terrorism, correct? >> right, according to fbi officials in baltimore, there's no indication whatsoever that this was a terrorist attack on the agency there. america's top spy agency the nsa, but it's really a bizarre story, it started to unfold at the end of rush hour this morning when the suv pulled up to the security gate there at

the nsa and two men that were wearing women's clothes then engaged in a brief gun battle with one of the security guards at that gate. and now federal authorities are reporting that one of those gunmen was killed and the other wounded, not clear if the officer himself was hit. but a search of the vehicle allegedly found some drugs and at least one weapon. the fbi is currently investigating but it's not believed to be a federal owe fence. again, no sign there was any terrorism involved here or any attempt to penetrate the security at nsa. some speculate that these guys just made the wrong turn at the wrong time luke. >> certainly an odd story, we'll keep an eye on jim miklaszewski, thanks for that report. right now in boston a collection of kennedys members of congress and other political high rollers are assembled to dead indicate the new edward

kennedy institute for the senate. joining me now to talk about that is nbc's kelly o'donnell there live. kelly, the program was a little built behind. i see victoria reggie kennedy, senator kennedy's wife, how has it been going so far and what's the latest? >> reporter: well she has just begun speaking and the president and mrs. obama have just arrived. we've heard kennedy stories and family lor and nostalgia here today that is a remembrance of sort of the impact ted kennedy had on american life and politics but also kind of an inspirational tone about what this institute could be going forward. we've had members talking about the bipartisan things that don't necessarily make headlines as much today but were a part of how he operated. there was really a stirring story from senator mccain about their behind the scenes work and how they had a lot of laughs together. as much as they were tough

opponents on issues had real friendship. vice president biden talked about the fact that he learned you never judge another senator's judgment but not their motives. you can disagree with them on an issue but to not question their motives. that was a way ted kennedy was able to build relationships across party lines. trent lott former republican majority leader said he had sent ted kennedy a note after they completed tough legislation saying if the world only knew then found out kennedy had printed the letter out and hung it on his wall and said i didn't want the world to know. there were a lot of personal stories, it is kind of a gathering of many kennedy staff alumni. it's much like a family reunion in that sense. as we know this will be an institute, in part taxpayer funded and donations to give students the opportunity to see the only life size replica of the u.s. senate and study how legislation are made and how debates are supposed to be done

and lend inspiration for next generation of young people to see what public life could be and what legislation is about. the president will speak shortly and this has been a real family affair here today. the presidential library is behind us the edward kennedy institute for the u.s. senate is off to the side here. it is really a long dream of edward kennedy's envisioned it in 2002 and it opens now. >> and kelly, it's a neat building described to me as somebody as a flight simulator for the u.s. senate for people wanting to get a chance to see what it's like. >> great description. >> we appreciate it. when president obama speaks at the dedication ceremony, we'll carry that live. we'll take a quick break and be back shortly with more news about the german plane crash and president obama of course live when he talks at the dedication ceremony. we'll be right back. leftovers. the unsung hero of meals. they get re-heated. re-nuked.

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welcome back. we're learning more today about andreas lubitz the pilot last week crashed a german airliner into the french alps. prosecutors revealed more information about his medical history, including that he was once registered for suicidal tendencies. >> we have not found anything in the surrounding, be it personal or his family or his professional surrounding that is giving us any hints that enable us to say something about his

motivation. we have found medical documentation that showed no organic medical illness. >> joining me now to discuss all of this nbc's katy tur in germany and claudio lavanga and john cox from tampa. let me start with you, obviously word from the german prosecutor that the pilot had, mr. lubitz, in fact suicidal tendencies. what more do we know. >> reporter: we don't know for a fact much more than that, other than what the prosecutor out here has confirmed to us on the record, that they didn't find any evidence of what they call an organic illness basically a physical illness like cancer or heart disease. they did find evidence of a psycho somatic disorder suicide

tendencies before he got his pilot's license and he has seen doctors since then. there has been no proof since then that he had suicidal tendencies after that or exhibited any aggressive behavior towards others. they do add right now they have no motive for why he did this allegedly did this. they've interviewed a number of his close friends and family and so far they've not been able to discern exactly what was going on in his head or what would lead him to not just commit suicide but to allegedly commit mass murder by crashing his plane into the side of a mountain. they are going to continue to do this and continue to follow every lead they have we do know they have questioned a female companion. we're not sure if it's a girlfriend or ex-girlfriend but right now very little factual out there except what they are confirming to us on the record. >> katy tur, thank you so much.

you're at the crash site the search ongoing for remains. what do we know there? surely it must be an emotional place. >> reporter: it is indeed. the recovery operation continues very slowly but it could receive a boost as early as tonight or tomorrow when the emergency workers are using heavy machinery to build a road that will lead all the way to the crash site to allow land vehicles to transport the worker there will be open up today or tomorrow. until now they can only be taken there by helicopter. but now they could get there by car. it could speed up the process very soon luke. >> thank you so much. we want to take you to boston where president obama is beginning to speak at the dedication ceremony for the edward kennedy senate institute. it was president obama running in 2008 who garnered endorsement of senator kennedy when his

campaign needed a boost. they long had a close relationship. let's listen in to president obama talking about the late senator, ted kennedy. >> awake and talking and we wish him a full and speedy recovery. [ applause ] i also want to say someone who wanted to be here just as he was for every 25 years as he represented this commonwealth alongside ted in the senate and that's secretary of state john kerry. [ applause ] >> john is in europe with our allies and partners leading the negotiations with iran and the world community in standing up for a principle that ted and his brother president kennedy, believed in so strongly. let us never negotiate out of fear but let us never fear to

negotiate. [ applause ] >> finally, this first year in the senate ted dispatched a young aide to assemble a team of talent without bridle. the cell was simple come and help ted kennedy make history. so i want to give a special shoutout to his extraordinarily loyal staff, 50 years later a family more than 1,000 strong this is your day as well. [ applause ] >> we're proud of you. of course many of you now work with me so enjoy today because we've got to get back to work. distinguished guests and fellow citizens, in 1958 ted kennedy was a young man working to reelect his brother jack to the

united states senate. on election night the two toasted one another. here's to 1960 mr. president, ted said if you can make it. with his quick irish wit jack returned the toast, here's to 1962 senator kennedy, if you can make it. they both made it. today they are together again in eternal rest at arlington but their legacies are as live as ever. together right here in boston. the john f. kennedy library next door is a symbol of our american idealism. the edward m kennedy institute for the united states senate as a living example of the hard frustrating never ending but critical work required to make

that idealism real. what more fitting tribute, what better testment to the life of ted kennedy than this place that he left for a new generation of americans? 'monument not to himself but to what we the people have the power to do together. any of us who have had the privilege to serve in the senate know that it's impossible not to share ted's awe for the history swirling around you. an awe instilled in him by his brother jack. ted waited more than a year to deliver his first speech on the senate floor. that's no longer the custom.

it's good to see trent and daschle here you may have remembered what customs were like back then. ted gave a speech only because he felt there was a topic, the civil rights act, that demanded it. nevertheless, he spoke with humility humility, aware as he put it that a freshman senator should be seen not heard, should learn and not teach. some of us i've met have not always heeded that lesson. but fortunately we had ted to show us the ropes anyway. and no one made the senate come alive like ted kennedy. it was one of the great pleasures of my life to hear ted kennedy deliver one of his liners on the floor. rarely was he more animated than

when he would lead you through the living museums that were his offices. i could and he would tell you everything that there was to know about all of it. and then there were more somber moments, i still remember the first time i pulled open the drawer of my desk and each senator is assigned a desk, there's a tradition of carving the names of those who had used it before and those names in my desk included taft and baker, simon, wellstone and robert f. kennedy. the senate was a place where you instinctively pulled yourself up a little bit straighter where

you try to act a little bit better. being a senator changes a person ted wrote in his memoirs. as vicky said, it may take a year or two years or three years but it always happens, it fills you with a heightened sense of purpose. that's the magic in the senate the essence of what it can be. and who but ted kennedy and his family would create a full scale replica of the senate and open it to every one? we live in a time of such great cynicism about all of our institutions and we are cynical about government and about washington most of all. it's hard for our children to see in the noisy and too often

trivial pursuits of today's politics, the possibilities of our democracy, our capacity together to do big things. and this place can help change that. it can help light the fire of imagination, plant the seed of noble ambition in the minds of future generations. imagine a gaggle of school kids in the hallways and hearing rooms, assigned an issue of the day and the responsibility to solve it. imagine their moral universe expanding as they hear about the momentous battles waged in the chamber and how they echo throughout today's society, great questions of war and peace. the tangled bargains between north and south, federal and state, the original sins of

slavery and prejudice. the unfinished battles for civil rights and opportunity and equality. imagine their shift in the sense of what's possible. the first time they see a video of senators who look like they do, men and women, blacks and whites latinos, asian-americans, those born to great wealth but also those born of incredibly modest means. imagine when a child feels the first time she steps on to that floor before she's old enough before she's told what she can't do before she's told who she can't talk to or work with. what she feels when she sits at one of those desks. what happens when it's her turn to stand sean speak on behalf of

something she cares about and cast a vote and have a sense of purpose maybe not just for kids what if we all carried outselves that way. what if our politics and democracy were as elevated as purposeful as she imagines it to be right here. >> towards the end of his life, tid reflected on how congress has changed over time. notice he served earlier, i think had those same conversations. it's a more diverse, more accurate reflection of america than it used to be and that is a grand thing. a great achievement.

but ted grieved the loss of comradery and collegiality the face to face interaction. i think he regretted the arguments now made to cameras instead of colleagues. directed at a narrow base instead of the body plik as a whole. the outside influence of money and special interests and how it all leads more americans to turn away in disgust and simply choose not to exercise the right to vote. since this is a joyous occasion this is not the time for me to suggest a slew of new ideas for reform. although i do have some.

maybe i'll just mention one. what if we carried ourselves more like ted kennedy? what if we worked to follow his example a little bit harder? to his harshest critics, who saw him adds nothing more than a partisan lightning rod that may sound foolish but there are republicans here today for a reason. they know who ted kennedy was. it's not because they shared ted's ideology or his positions, but because they knew ted is somebody who bridged the partisan divide over and over and over again with genuine effort and affection in a narrow

win bipartisanship as we come so very rare. they knew him as somebody who kept his word. they knew him as somebody who was willing to take a half a loaf and endure the anger of his own supporters to get something done. they knew him as somebody who was not afraid and fear so permeates our politics instead of hope. people fight to get in the senate and then they are afraid. we fight to get these positions and then don't want to do anything with them. and ted understood the only point of running for office was to get something done, not to posture or sit there worried about the next election or polls. you take risks.

he understood that differences of party or philosophy could not become barriers to cooperation or respect. he could howl and injustice on the senate floor like a force of nature while nervous aides tried to figure out which chart to pull up next. but in his personal dealings he answered he had mond randolph's call to keep the senate a place to restrain if possible the fury of democracy. i did not know ted as long as some of the speakers here today. but he was my friend. i owe him a lot.

and as far as i could tell it was never ideology that compelled him. except in so far as his ideology said he should help people. that he should have a life of purpose. you should be em pathetic and be able to put yourself in somebody else's shoes and see through their eyes. his tirelessness and restless necessary, they were rooted in his experience. by the age of 12 he was a member of a gold star family. by 36 two of his brothers were stolen from him in the most tragic public of ways. by 41 he nearly lost a beloved child to cancer.

that made suffering something he knew. and it made him more alive to the suffering of others. while his son was sleeping after treatment, ted would wonder the halls and meeting parents keeping vigil over their own children. they were parents terrified of what would happen when they couldn't afford the next treatment. working out what they could sell or borrow or mortgage just to make it a few more months. then if they had to bargain with god for the rest. there in the quiet night working people of modest means, one of the most powerful men in the world shared the same intimate immediate sense of helplessness.

he didn't see them as some ab straks, he knew them. he felt them. their pain was his. as much as they didn't want to be separated by wealth and fame and those families would be at the hard of ted's passions like the young immigrant he would see himself in that child. they were his cause, the sick child who couldn't see a doctor and young soldier sent to battle without armor. the citizen denied her rights because of what she looked like or where she came from or who she loves. he quietly attended as many military funerals in massachusetts as he could for those who fell in iraq and afghanistan. he called and wrote each one of

the 177 families in this commonwealth who lost a loved one on 9/11. he took them sailing and played with their children not just in the days after but every after. life's work was not to champion those with wealth or power or connections. they already had enough representation. it was to give voice to the people who wrote and called him from every state, desperate for somebody who might listen and help. it was about what he could do for others why he would take his hearings to rural towns and cities and push people out of their comfort zones, including his colleagues because he had pushed himself out of his comfort zone. he tried to instill in his colleagues that same sense of

empathy. even if they called him as one did, wrong at the top of his lungs, even if they might disagree with him, 99% of the time. because who knew what might happen with that other 1% orrin hatch was sent to washington in promise to fight ted kennedy. and they fought a lot. one was a conservative mormon from utah and other was, well ted kennedy. once they got to know one another, they discovered certain things in common. the devout faith, soft spot for health care, very fine singing voices, and in 1986 when republicans controlled the senate orren held the first --

on the aids epidemic even hugging an aids patient, an important gesture at the time. the next ted took over the committee and continued what or ren started. when his father passed away he was the first to call. it was over dinner one night that they tried to ensure 10 million children who didn't have access to health care. as that debate hit roadblocks in congress as apparently debates over health care tend to do ted would have his chief of staff serenade orrin to court his support. when hearings didn't go ted's way, he might puff on a cigar to annoy orrin who disdained smoking. or he might try to call his

sister, enis when it came time to pay for the children's health care program, ted bounced offering a tobacco task and asking are you for joe camel and marlboro manor millions of children who lack adequate health care. it was the kind of friendship unique to the senate calling to mind what john calhoun once said of henry clay. i don't like clay he's a bad man, impostor creator of wicked schemes. i wouldn't speak to him but by god i love him. so sure orrin hatch called ted one of the major dangers to the country but also stood up at a gathering in ted's last months and said i'm asking you all to

pray for ted kennedy. the point is we can fight on almost everything or we can come together on some things. and those some things can mean everything to a whole lot of people. those common ground that led ted and orrin to forge a compromise that covered millions of kids with health care. it is common ground rooted in the plight of loved ones that let ted and chuck glass lee cover kids with disability and fight for equal rights for americans with a mental illness. common ground. not rooted in ab strakss or stubborn rigid idealogies but shared experience that let ted and john mccain to work on a patient's bill of rights and work to forge a smarter more

just immigration system. a common desire to fix what's broken. a willingness to compromise in pursuit of a larger goal. a personal relationship that let's you fight like heck on one issue and shake hands on the next. not through just ka joeling or horse trading or serenades but through ted's brand of friendship and kindness and humor and grace. what binds us together across our differences in religion or politics or economic theory ted wrote in his memoirs is all we share as human beings. the wonder that we experience when we look at the night sky, the gratitude that we know when we feel the heat of the sun, the sense of humor in the face of

the unbearable and the persistence of suffering and one thing more the capacity to reach across our differences to offer a hand of healing. for all of the challenges of a changing world and improsecutions of our democracy, the capacity to reach across our differences is something that's entirely up to us. may we all in our own lives set an example for the kids who enter these doors and exit with higher expectations for their country. may we all remember the times this american family has challenged us to ask what we can do to dream and say why not, to seek a cause that endures and sail against the wind in its

pursuit and live our lives with that heightened sense of purpose. thank you. may god bless you. may you continue to bless this country we love. thank you. [ applause ] >> that was president obama there at the dedication of the edward kennedy institute, which is essentially a flight simulator of the united states senate honoring the senate's history and allowing students from around the country to feel what it's like to become a senator. interestingly enough in that dedication speech president obama really took an opportunity to be critical of the modern day senate saying what if we were all more like ted kennedy, saying the outside influence of money and politics would not have sat well with the senator and saying politicians in modern day washington get elected and come to washington to change it then get scared and pander to narrow outside interest or party bases. quite interesting to hear the president be so critical of senate at the dedication

ceremony and saying how much ted kennedy is missed. we'll have more throughout the day on msnbc. more news also coming out of boston. another big story we've been following. moments ago the prosecution rested its case in the boston bombing marathon trial. the court is now in recess. it's expected the jury could get the case as early as the end of this beak. tsarnaev faces 30 charges related to the april 2013 attack including 17 that could bring him the death penalty. now to a war of words from indiana lawmakers as the backlash rose over controversial religious freedom law that critics say discriminates against gay citizens. today both sides defended their position. >> clearly the people reacting differently to this law. we didn't see that coming. we need to clarify to everyone this law will not be allowed to zbrim against anyone. >> there's no compromise when it

comes to discrimination. so let's start with a full repeal period repeal repeal repeal. >> this comes after a weekend of protests over the law and calls to boycott the state of indiana. >> for more on the controversy in indiana, "washington post" columnist ruth marcus joins me. ruth fascinating to see what's playing out here. a lot of questions as to why indiana moved in this direction. some speculate it's mike pence making a play to evangelical christian conservatives ahead of a possible 2016 presidential run or lining up for a possible supreme court law regarding the discrimination against same-sex marriage coming in spring. >> what we're seeing here in indiana is the microcosm of a debate we're going to have on a larger stage, which is the next phase of the debate over the roll of sexuality and sexual

orientation in society. the notion that same-sex marriage is here with us to stay i think that's become even about before the supreme court final decision kind of if not totally accepted broadly accepted. but the next frontiers are going to be two things one is the conflict with potential conflict with religious beliefs and the second is the bizarre fact that even though we have a transformation in this country over the widespread acceptance in many states of same-sex marriage, we have not had the same transformation of our laws when it comes to basic anti-discrimination provisions. there is no federal law and no state law that prevents gays and lesbians from being discriminated against in jobs. could be fired in many states under the federal civil rights law if you're gay and in housing and public accommodations. so this is the debate that indiana is teeing up. >> what's interesting in this

debate there's not a real sense of clarity, especially from governor pence and lawmakers in indiana that passed this bill on the specifics of what it would do. they say it's not discriminatory -- not a discriminatory -- that in fact it simply allows religious institutions not to be persecuted by governmental laws trying to gum up the works at least public's perspective, how does this play out throughout this debate? >> it's very fascinating. in one sense i feel a little bit sympathetic to indiana before everybody gets worked up let me explain why. this law that was passed in indiana as i understand it is the same as a federal law that's been on the books for a decade in response -- but it was passed before the real issue was questions of civil rights and anti-discrimination protections for gays and in particular, when the notion of same-sex marriage was seen as a bizarre thing.

indiana is getting dinged for a law that lots of people already have because the context is different. >> it shows you to the degree which this issue moved in the public spirit towards the direction of being much more accepting. ruth marcus thank you so much. the final four in indianapolis, some speculation may not get big events like that in the future. >> go wisconsin, oh, man, back to andrea. she'll be live from switzerland and joined by two experts who will tell you what you need to know about the nuclear negotiations with iran. this is msnbc. ♪ turn around ♪ ♪ every now and then i get a little bit hungry ♪ ♪ and there's nothing good around ♪ ♪ turn around, barry ♪ ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ [ female announcer ] fiber one.

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let's turn back to the tense negotiations over iran's nuclear program. andrea rejoins us with the very latest. andrea, what have we learned over the course of the hour. >> the secretary of state is right now in switzerland here of course, meeting with his team, no other meetings planned

at this moment. i'm here in switserland with david sanger national security security -- and first to you, david sanger you caused a stir about your colleague's story in today's "new york times," that iran has said permanently, it will not export its enriched uranium nuclear fuel. that was said by the deputy minister with the iranian press corps. the point is there's pushback marie hart saying it's not an attempt to screw up the talks and there are ways to get at the goal, one year breakout warning for iran toch a nuclear weapon without shipping that fuel. >> andrea the import of this is that we had thought since about

november that iran had struck a deal with the russians where it would ship a lot of fuel out and russians would spend a few years converting it and they could burn in their one big power reactor in iran and ship it back. that would have been a perfect solution because it would have meant the fuel was not available to them for weapons use. if they keep the fuel inside iran it may still be possible to put it in a form where it's very hard to use as weapons fuel and few forms in which it would be impossible. we don't know yet what form it would be in and that's the difficulty. >> what do you think the import is of the deputy foreign minister of iran saying this on the eve of the final day or two of these talks? do you think they were trying to throw a hand grenade in this or repeating something they said before. >> repeating something they've said but in the past we wondered is it a negotiating position? when you say it 36 hours from the agreement, it seems like it would be difficult for them to

move from that position. this is what iran's supreme leader has said they wouldn't do. >> david al bright marie was saying earlier, there are other ways to achieve this goal. clearly there are, it's a giant jig saw puzzle if you will. would this be the safest way, the way that critics on capitol hill would think this deal if it comes together would be too soft, too many concessions, getting it out of the country, is that the best way to ensure iran does not have access to this fuel that can be used to make a bomb? >> as david said it's a very good way. it looks good and it allows iran to use the enriched uranium. the other ways may very well be unsatisfactory, ways to convert the chemical form out of the present form. but those ways can be reversed so that's not a very good way. probably the only alternative is to in a sense destroy it take

the 3.5% enriched uranium and blend it with the waste product of enrichment the depleted uranium and turn it back into natural uranium, revert back to what it started as taken from the ground and iran would lose enrichment efforts but that's certainly an alternative and one i would see as a genuine alternative. many of the other discussed aren't alternatives, they will weaken the u.s. position and in fact i would say that iranians are very determined negotiators and may be trying to weaken the u.s. on this right now by reversing themselves at the last minute. and seeing what the u.s. does in his scramble to meet the deadline. >> david albright, are we better not to have a deal at all? what's the downside of this breaking down? >> a bad deal is worse than no deal. i'll repeat what the u.s. government has said many times.

i also repeat what other u.s. governments officials have said to me privately and publicly. there are alternatives to not having a deal and one of them as stated by very senior treasury official recently is that they would work with congress to increase pressure on iran. one of the mistakes is to think that somehow if there's no deal it's war. i think that's good in a kind of rhetorical war that takes place within the washington beltway but in real life those are not the only two choices by any means. >> and david, these talks have been so intense and so nonstop, there was a moment last night when i came over here to do my evening news piece at 12:20 a.m. so that's almost 6:30 when we go on the air on sunday nightly news and who did i see about john kerry in a down pour, pouring rain walking across these streets here in back of the hotel. it struck me that he just wanted

to get fresh air. >> that's what he said. i ran into him in the hotel, he was in his bomber jacket he had worn during his vietnam days and he wanted out for a little bit. i think the intensity of these talks is hard to overestimate. what else is going on here is that you're combining politics and really complicated technology as you've seen from this discussion. >> david sanger thank you so much. david albright, the two dafds davids. back to the one and only luke. >> great reporting there from switzerland. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." andrea will have more from switzerland tomorrow. thomas roberts joins me with what's coming up on msnbc live. >> hi luke busy monday. we're continuing to follow the breaking news, shooting outside of the nsa this morning. we'll take you to the very latest, plus new opposition to indiana's religious freedom

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hi everybody, i'm thomas roberts. we begin this hour with breaking news on a shooting that occurred at the nas ft. meade head quarters in maryland. fresh update from kasie hunt. i got the hot note handed to me about what took place and also the death involved. >> reporter: hi, thomas we just received word confirmation from the u.s. army that just after 9:00 this morning one man was killed and another was injured when a vehicle tried to ram the gates outside of the nsa head quarter on ft. meade, about 20 miles outside of washington, d.c. now nbc news has learned that those two people in the car that tried to ram the gates were dressed as women and afterwards

a gun and some drugs were found in the car. so both the u.s. army and the nsa at this point say the situation is under control and is under investigation. the investigation being led by the fbi and includes the nsa police and other involved authorities. at this point we're not expecting anyone from the nsa to come out today to explain more about what happened here. but at this point they are saying it's unrelated to terrorism. thomas? >> there's been no explanation of why they felt the need to use deadly force? what was the parameter of the situation that brought it to that type of narrative? >> reporter: at this point thomas, we don't have additional information that would explain exactly why the officers took the action they did. we did see some helicopter footage from earlier this morning that shows two damaged vehicles, one that appears to be a police car and we do know one police officer was injured in this encounter and do know that of course they tried to ram the gate.