opened that first atv access road to the crash site. deep in the french alps. bulldozers cleared a path to the remote site allowing investigators to bring heavier recovery equipment in and get some evidence out. it's a big development in what's been a slow investigation thus far. so far, the dna of half of the victims has been recovered. forensics experts are trying to match that with samples provided by the families. they flocked the staging area this weekend where a stone monument now stands. as for that investigation, still no sign of the flight data recorder. investigators fear it might be too badly damaged to pull data from. a german tabloid claims to have a timeline from the cockpit voice recorder eight minutes before impact the captain a heard banging on the door shotting "for god's sake open the door." he repeats his door "open the damn door" moments before the tragic end. nbc news is working to verify that transcript. meanwhile, the fbi is helping search the co-pilot's facebook trail, while international teams

are combing through andreas lubitz' iphone, ipad and computer. german prosecutor's office says so far they found no confession or suicide note foretelling the incident nor the pilot's motivation. there's a lot of questions about his love life, mental state and possible problems about his vision. recent exams made no mention of aggression or suicidal tendencies. he only divulged this from early in lubitz's career. >> before he got his pilot's license, he had at that time been in treatment of a psychotherapist because of what is documented as being suicidal. at that time. >> we start at the crash site nbc's claudio lavanga is there.

>> reporter: that road to the crash site is now completed and as early as tomorrow morning, a convoy of four-by-four cars will take the emergency workers and investigators from the air crash site by car. now, that's a two-point miles ground path that was built in only a matter of days by using heavy machinery, but they did need to do that as quickly as possible because until today, the only way to bring the investigators and the emergency workers and recovery workers on that site was by winching them down a cable by a helicopter, 80 meters drop, on that crash site and, of course this operation was even slowed down dramatically by the strong winds that we experienced in the past few days. we've also been told by the french police that as many as 4,500 pieces of debris and body parts were recovered so far, toure. >> claudio lavanga, thank you again for that. let's head to germany where

investigators are digging into lubitz's files. nbc's katy tur is live with the latest. >> reporter: hi there, toure. investigators are trying to figure out exactly what a motive could be. today they released information in a statement about his physical condition and his mental illness. they said they found no evidence in their searches that he had an organic illness, something like a heart disease or cancer something physical with his body. they said that they did find evidence, though that he had suicidal tendencies in the past and he was treated for suicidal tendencies several years ago-he got his pilot's license. since then they say he's had a number of medical checkups but they found no proof of any suicidal tendencies or proof of aggressiveness toward other people. so at this point, they really don't have any sort of motive as to what could have caused him to allegedly crash this plane into a mountain. they said they've been able to interview a number of his close family members and they still

haven't gotten an idea of what drove him to do something -- what could have driven him to do something like this. back to you. >> all right, katy tur. thank you for that. german prosecutors say the notes found in lubitz's home do not indicate lubitz was a threat to himself or to others. >> these documents don't show any hint of being suicidal or being aggressive against other people. >> the german tabs are saying there were signs. back with us today, professor gale sultz, psychiatrist at new york presbyterian hospital. glad to have you back once again. what are the signs folks should be looking for in somebody who you might think is suicidal? and if you think someone is suicidal if you see those signs, what should you do? >> ask them about it. if they seem pervasively sad,

weepy, tearful, or more men, interestingly, it's likely to present as irritability anger. if you see a change in behavior and this is what's going on particularly if there's a sleep disturbance, appetite change they're losing pleasure in things, you should ask them straight-up, do you have thoughts of suicide? and people tend not to do this because they believe the myth that you will somehow suggest it which is really not true. >> seems like quite a leap to say somebody's being irritable, are you suicidal? >> you know, i'm not talking about garden variety irritability. if somebody wasn't like this and become this snappy angry person, withdrawn, and it's pervading, it's fair to say, you seem like something's off, something's wrong. you can see,ay, have you had thoughts about ending your life? someone will say no what are you talking about? they'll understand you're concerned about them. or they'll say, i've had the thought. then you want to investigate further. do they have a plan? do they have a way they would do that? you want to bring them to somebody either an emergency

room depending on how, if they're saying hey, i have a gun in my bedroom. you would bring them to an emergency room. if not, you'd try to set up an appointment for them. these investigators are using terms like suicidal tendencies which i want to tell you is not a clinical term. that tells me really very little information. was it a suicidal thought? which many people have. i mean if you knew how many people have had the thought at some point or another, i'm sure even possibly some of you have had the thought, you know i don't know if i feel like waking up tomorrow you know? i don't know it it's really all worth it. that kind of passive suicidal thought is very common. i don't think in the long run means someone shouldn't be a pilot. there's a difference between that and a suicide gesture which is actually an attempt to do something but not an attempt to kill yourself, but an attempt to injure yourself to say, i'm really desperate, i need to hurt myself. or a suicide attempt, an actual attempt which obviously would be quite dangerous and might require hospitalization. >> right. i think it's important to be careful having this conversation. you brought this up last week. there are many many people that

suffer from depression. some people get depression at different times in their life. that doesn't necessarily mean they're suicidal. >> absolutely. >> or that they're going to kill people along with them. >> in fact even much less likely. >> help put that in perspective. >> so, look depression runs from mild to moderate which, you know certainly people do not have suicidal thoughts or tendencies as i'm saying. you know, are not going to make an attempt. and it can get worse if it's left untreated which is why it's important to do that. and then you know it's important to ask them about that. and then you know yet people who have severe depression have a 10% to 15% chance of making a suicide attempt and so you know, you really do want to treat that. i think it's important to understand that many people are struggling. i think this is particularly true for parents and their children. sometimes you see a child, not a young child, even an adult child is pulling back is not functioning as well as they normally would. you know something's off as a parent. yet you're afraid to ask. partially you're afraid to ask because you don't kind of want to know. i'm telling you, that's why it's

important to ask. many parents will say, sadly, after something has happened i wish i'd asked. i would have gotten my child some help. >> right. >> really that's why i'm saying it's better to err on that side. you're not going to suggest something negative to a friend, to a relative. you're going to show that you care and that you're knowledgeable and understand they need some help. >> this of course isn't just suicide. it's also a mass murder of 149 people. >> right. >> and we're talking about, yes, there were signs he was depressed. there was also a report out there from a previous girlfriend that he talked about he wanted to something big. >> right. >> and that people were going to remember his name. which to me goes way beyond depression to the sort of illusions of grandeur. >> from the little bit of information we have we don't have enough, i want to say that. >> absolutely. >> that this is a different scenario. most people who have depression will never harm anyone. in fact they're more likely to be a victim of violence themselves because they're withdrawn and look like a victim. but for those that do of all

suicides that have been accomplished, only 2.5% take someone with them. and the vast majority of that take one person with them. the ex the boss the person that they're angry with. to take 150 people with you speaks to me more of sociopathy that was quiteet that people didn't know about, tremendous anger, rage disenfranchisement a disappointment in some system and wish for revenge of some sort, that unfortunately, you know, we didn't know about which speaks even further to sociopathy because the ability to cover up and not have people see what you're doing and appear very normal may be very charming and engaging you know peoples to somebody whose moral compass is you know really not all there. >> right. and that goes to the categoryies of crimes we see when you look at violence against strangers. sexual, financial or sociopathic sociopathic. 150 people you have no

connection to whatsoever would definitely seem to be in that category and why it's disturbing and tragic. speak to us also though about the screening because this has been debated a lot from a medical perspective. >> right. >> are people overreacting or are we seeing holes based on what they should better do to guard against people who might be this dangerous getting behind the wheel of the cockpit there? >> both. i want to say they're overreacting in a sense that this particular incident, we're talking really about a mass murder in a sense, whatever we do in screening might not pick up this person. so sadly, this rare rare event might not be completely preventable, but i think it is an opportunity because right now there really aren't psychiatric screens and there really should be, as part of a medical screen. i'm not saying because, you know, we think lots of people who are mentally ill are flying but because it is another form of illness. it involves your brain. you need your brain to fly. and so i think in addition to the fact we're checking your blood pressure, checking inging your

heart and so on, we should be checking for someone's mental status. it needs to be done by somebody who is knowledgeable who can pickiatrically when this is going on. there's a report of an antipsychotic given to him in 2010. i don't know if that is substantiated or not. if that is true that speaks of something different. that's a break with reality you would not want somebody on an antipsychotic indeed flying a plane. >> gail saltz, thanks for your time. >> my pleasure. hours from a deadline for the nuke deal and even the state department admits it's anybody's guess whether or not this thing gets done. plus more fallout from indiana's controversial religious freedom law. money talks. and the money is walking out of that state right now. and breaking news on that fire fight outside of nsa headquarters. what we are learning about, what triggered it. all that as "the cycle" rolls on. it is the last monday in march,

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we are back now with breaking news. new details in that shooting outside nsa headquarters today. the nsa just released more information about the incident that left one man dead another injured and an nsa police officer in the hospital. the fbi is leading the investigation. nbc's kaskie hunt is live outside ft. meade in maryland. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: good afternoon, krystal, yes. we received confirmation of the new details many of which nbc news has been reporting

throughout the day. we know shortly before 9:00 a.m. a the nsa headquarters, a car with two people in ait approached a secure entry point and tried to enter the campus of the national security agency about 20 miles north of washington, d.c. an officer approached the car, asked them to stop. the car, excuse me disregarded those instructions and actually accelerated at the barriers that were between them and this entry point. at that point, the nsa police officers fired at the vehicle. the vehicle rammed into a police officer's vehicle. after the incident had concluded, one of the suspects in the car was dead. the other was injured. and an nsa police officer was injured as well. so we know at this point, the fbi is leading this investigation. the baltimore office of the fbi. with other law enforcement organizations including the nsa police. collectively they're interviewing witnesses and gathering evidence to try to find out if they should file federal charges. krystal? >> nbc's kasie hunt thank you

so much as always. turning now to iran. we're talking not days but hours until time runs out on a nuclear deal. the state department they're not mincing words. >> how likely is it that there will be a framework, some sort of agreement by midnight tomorrow night or shortly thereafter? >> i think we really don't know. there's a lot of uncertainty inside the room as there is among the press who are trying to cover it. i think we are closing but there are still really big issues iran hasn't made decisions on yet. we're not going to take a bad deal. we have to be assured with e edd edd we get to a year breakout time. that's been our bottom line. that hasn't changed. we really truth friday don't know what's going to happen over the next 36 hours. >> from our prospective, we're not the ones under sanctions, we're not the ones who violated multiple u.n. security council resolutions. we're not the ones who built an underground nuclear facility multiple nuclear facilities and hid them from the world. >> for more let's bring in a former state department

official, u.s. negotiator with iran and co-author of the book "going to tehran." hillary, we're glad to have you with us today. help us unpack the latest sort of sticky detail which seems like a big one. "the new york times" is reporting iran's deputy foreign minister seemed to rule out a deal that would allow for uranium to be shipped to russia saying that that was going to be a problem for them, a deal breaker, essentially. whey why is this piece important? what sort of domestic political pressure do they face in iran that would make how this uranium is handled a potentially politically difficult situation? >> this is one of what may be several issues that are being discussed and there's no decision on right now in the room in terms of what iranians may or may not do. there's a core bargain that was essentially reached in november 2013 for this interim accord temporary accord.

the bargain is iran would do in a negotiated context, do what it would take to constrain their program. they would work on a technical basis to build in safeguards for verification and monitoring of their program. in exchange for the lifting of sanctions. the multilateral sanctions and unilateral sanctions. what we've seen on the iranian side is deep concern that the united states is backpedalling on the part of the bargain they want the lifting of sanction. what you're seeing on the iranian side is first on the issue of the stockpile of uranium, how that will be handled is now once again in contention and we may see other issues because what the iranians are trying to do is force the american hand to come to make good on its commitment on the sanctions side. on this particular issue for the uranium stockpile, that can be handled in several ways. the preferred way for the united states is that iran just send it out and not be in the country.

but there are two other ways. one is that iran could essentially dilute it and convert it into usable fuel. that's always been the iranian preference. and the second one is that iran could send it to a place like russia, but send it with iranian scientists so they could learn the technology necessary to perfect its transformation into fuel. so there are different ways it can be handled. it's inn contention really only because of the u.s. position on sanctions. >> and hillary, as someone who has been in a unique position of negotiating with iranian leaders, give us a sense of what is likely going on inside the room. what it would be like to be a fly on the wall. secretary john kerry is over there in switzerland today and tomorrow in very serious meetings. walk us through what is going on in these meetings. is this still a lot of showmanship, a lot of angling to get what you want out of this deal? or is this still likely very big differences that need to be hammered out in order to make this deal work? >> you know i was shocked. literally shocked when i started

negotiating with iranian officials including the now foreign minister zharif after 9/11 when we were negotiating. i was shocked because for 30-plus years we've only heard basically here in the united states this caricature of iran as an irrational illegitimate state bent on becoming history's first suicide country by using this to destroy israel and maybe america. when you sit in a room with people like the current foreign minister who i negotiated with over afghanistan, al qaeda, he is one of the most sophisticated, most educated delightful people to actually sit in a room with. he has a ph.d. from the university of denver here in the united states. his counterpart who's pursuing the technical aspects of the negotiation, he has his ph.d. from m.i.t. he's sitting across the table from our secretary of energy who's also on the m.i.t. faculty. you're dealing with a very different set of characters than are normally caricatured here in

the united states. i think on the iranian side they have deep principles many of which we disagree with but they're not illegitimate. they're their interests as they see them. i think there is a way for the two sides to come to an understanding, but on the iranian side they're going to push a hard bargain. they have a very clear idea of what they want and they'll be very nice about it and they'll put out good ideas for compromise but they're going to stick very squarely to what thawey want. >> hillary, i think it's valuable and important to point out to americans the folks we're talking to on the other side fromsophisticated, many are american educated as you just said. many americans would say, aren't they taking orders and reporting back to the ayatollah? >> you know it's a very interesting system. it's again been caricatured in the united states for so long is this kind of crazed islamist dictatorship when in fact it's a political experiment. as profound as perhaps the american system or the french

system. trying to fuse islamism with par particiapatory. in a legal way, but political way. underneath him, there are very much empowered parts of the system, not just a president or parliament. and so it is a much more nuanced sophisticated system. and in a lot of ways it gives it real power not just at the negotiating table, but what we see in the region in terms of its influence beyond its borders. >> i think some might take exception to the comparison of the ayatollah to a sort of a chief justice john roberts. i know what you mean because they have a system. our supreme court is appointed within our political system, answerable to it and removable even. i don't know if anyone over there can peacefully remove the

ayatollah. the question i wanted to ask -- go ahead. >> it's very interesting because i think, there, too, it's become a social fact here that that's the case understandably from what we've been told. if you look at this system there's an assembly of experts that is elected by the populous and picks the ayatollah, monitoring his work and can remove him and will select the next ayatollah. this ayatollah does not get to select the next supreme leader. that's going to be up to the people of iran. >> hillary mann leverett thank you, we always appreciate it. >> thank you. next the state now banning travel to indiana because of that controversial religious freedom law. the latest fallout is ahead. .heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm... amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. it's just you and your honey. the setting is perfect. but then erectile dysfunction happens again. plenty of guys have this issue

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we turn to a story developing right now. this backlash continuing over indiana's so-called religious freedom law. this new law states the government may not burden citizens' religious activities except if rare or compelling cases. now, proponents say that means it protects religion by allowing

businessowners to avoid hiring or working with gay people if that violates their beliefs. opponents say the law is a giant step backwards toward encouraging discrimination against gay americans amongthers. and there are, we're seeing many opponents today. apple ceo saying the law is dangerous. the company angie's list saying it's pulling out of a planned $40 million expansion in the state because of this law. and now charles barkley says the ncaa should cancel the final four there in response. and new this hour we've just learned connecticut governor dan malloy is about to sign an executive order, this is next hour, that will ban state-funded travel to indiana over this issue. indiana's governor mike pence has been ducking questions about the direct impact on discrimination. >> if a florist in indiana refuses to serve a gay couple at their wedding, is that legal now in indiana? >> george this is where this debate has gone with misinformation and -- >> it's just a question sir,

yes or no? >> well there's been shameless rhetoric about my state and about this law. >> sir, i'm just bringing up a -- that was one of your supporters who was talking about the bill right there. it said it would protect a christian florist against any kind of punishment. is that true or not? >> george look the issue here is you know is tolerance a two-way street or not? >> and for the latest reaction on the developing story, we go to indiana directly. nbc's john yang is reporting for us. john, what's the latest? >> reporter: right now behind me in the state capitol, meetings are going on with republican legislators trying to figure out how to blunt this backlash. they're talking about passing some sort of clarifying language to say, make it clear that this new law does not legalize or does not allow discrimination. they don't know what form that will take. it won't be an amendment to the law because the governor says he doesn't want the law changed. they're not sure exactly how to

do this. that's what they're talking to the republicans in the legislature, trying to figure out how to do it to get the votes to pass. they hope to do it they say, the speaker of the house tells my nbc news colleague gabe gutierrez hopes to it by the end of this week before they host the ncaa final four here. they don't know whether they can do that. it's a very complicated issue. and on that point that you heard governor pence being pressed on the speaker did tell gabe that he thinks that it would be permissible permissible, it would not be allowable under this new law for, say, a florist to deny service to a same-sex wedding. he says that should be made clear in whatever they do. ari? >> nbc's john yang. thank you for your reporting. joining us hunter walker politics writer at "business insider." >> thanks for having me. >> good day to you. plenty of politics here. it's true, i suppose in near rytheory,

we don't know what the law will do. we know the precedent. in other states these are the laws that have been used to try to make discrimination allowable. the only in the highest and rarest cases can the government impinge on religion. that's what changes it. if you're asking me as a lawyer i would say the florist example most certainly would not be a compelling case which means it would allow you to discriminate on the basis of that person's identity. a lot of people think that's a bad idea. >> yeah. i mean legal experts are a little bit divided here. the answer of what exactly this law would do seems to sort of be a resounding maybe. with some saying it wouldn't have much of a different effect from other similar rfras in the country. the key thing here in indiana discrimination against gays is already allowed so it's not really clear how that would work in concert. this definitely seems to open the door. >> i would just say briefly, yeah, it means it further shuts

the door whereas we've seen in certain states people have over time decided to create more protections. women's protection, sexual orientation protections, nondiscrimination protections. these are moved over time. you have the court cases. pence seems to want to have it both ways saying he's not taking a stand on it but oops here's a law we associate with gay discrimination. >> that's the part i'm confused about here. we saw a similar thing play out in arizona, right? very similar bill pass through the legislature. major backlash. very similar backlash and jan brewer dwds erer decided to veto the bill. did pence not expect the backlash? is he hoping that will win points with the religiously conservative base? >> the answer is what does mike pence want? the answer is 2016. we've had bob vander plaats -- >> he thinks this is good for him? >> he thinks this is good for him in a gop 2016 pryimaryprimary. he's not top tier but he sees

himself as a potential candidate. it's clear what line he's try to run through that primary. you have bob vander plaats who i was mentioning before an iowa gop king maker figure there and he's already praised this. even if this totally folds after this backlash we're talking about, pence may have accomplished something with his base. >> well probably not the interview you want to introduce yourself to the country. and this is what i would argue is a perfect example of why the republican party has struggled to win the popular vote for quite some time now. because to your point, this does play very well in the primaries. you can see this question thrown out on the debate stage and all the candidates will essentially have their hands tied. >> they'll have to line up. >> absolutely. then you get to the general election and this is out of step with where a majority of the country here is on this issue. that's a problem. >> i think you're 100% right. this may be good for mike pence as an individual within the primary. for the gop at large, it's sort of showing them to be out of step with where the rest of the country is moving on this. i think the most telling example

of that is tim cook and apple. they came out against this law and part of the way they did that is because tim cook personally came out as gay earlier this year and that shows how much we're moving as a society toward acceptance here. >> republicans have got to figure that out sooner rather than later. >> hunter walker thanks for being here today. still ahead, what all this did to threaten the final four in indy. next in sports. and toure is excited about an interview with cal penn. in "the cycle" hot spot. i heard you're going to try out jokes on him. see if he thinks you're funny.

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about the strategy that the defense was going to employ and whether there were questions about whether they would even put on a defense, but they are with the first couple of witnesses being called today. they talked somewhat about dzhokhar tsarnaev's tweets from the april 2012 marathon apparently a marathon that he attended and there was also some discussion about phone records, one of the defense witnesses saying that when some of these bomb components allegedly were made at a walmart in new hampshire that dzhokhar tsarnaev was nowhere near the walmart. the defense is going forward with this case. we don't suspect this case is -- the defense presentation, that is is going to last near the 3 1/2 weeks the prosecution had. they perhaps could wrap their case this week. by all estimations it seems the way the defense opened this kay by saying he was the person seen in that surveillance video placing a book bag with a bomb in it near the finish line of the marathon that it almost seems like a fore gone conclusion that the jury may find him guilty based on all the

evidence they've heard that this defense strategy all along has been to show tamerlan tsarnaev was more the mastermind of this than dzhokhar tsarnaev. >> ron mott in boston thanks for that. a cool new show premiering tonight, stars a familiar face who usually makes you laugh but now he's about making you think. cal penn in the guest spot. >> excuse me sir, do you happen to know how to get to the white castle in trail hill from here? >> yeah take the 35 left and the turnpike south and there you are. >> you may recall seeing acting cal penn in "harold and kumar" but cal is also a serious and thoughtful guy who spoke at the dnc and worked inside the obama administration. his next gig is hosting a smart investigative show for nentgeo, where he uses new data tools and turning up shocking information like did you know a crime is committed every minute of every

day? >> there's more to crime than just the numbers. there's always a story behind the stats. and you'd be surprised what plotting out the world's criminal activity can tell us about whether crime's been, how it works and where it's likely to pop up next. now, let's take an entirely new look at how and where the business of crime really operates. it's time to map out crime incorporated. >> that's from the premiere episode which airs tonight at 9:00 8:00 central. we're happy to have cal penn in the guest spot. welcome, brother. >> thank you, thank you for having me. >> there's episodes about viruses, food, sex. why did you want to do this show? what are you trying to accomplish? >> i started talking to natgeo about big data make it relatable. everything in the media out there understandably was about nsa and privacy and all those things which we should discuss. nobody seemed to talk about when we click yes on the facebook

user agreement, aren't we allowing companies to use our data? what do they do with it? if we can find interesting data points that talk about big picture items and how human interest might fit it it might be an interesting show. >> it's a very interesting show. very well done. i watched the first two last night. really enjoyed them. >> thank you. >> one of the things is crime, a deep web that i don't know a lot about and i suspect a lot of people don't. talk to us about how it's being used to perpetrate crimes across the world, really. >> sure. the concept of the deep web and even traditional ramifications of crime, it was 1.8 billion people if i'm getting this stat right in the world are involved in crime in some aspect. and there was an even more interesting statistic, if you took crime inc as one company and compared it to the gdp of countries or other big corporations we're used to hearing about, crime far outweighs all these more traditional traditional entities.

so whether it was the weird places you might find crime or something in our own backyards, we wanted to do a multilayered perspective on that to give the audience more perspective outside of what we might read in the newspaper. >> so fascinating. we could sit here all day and talk about the different series of shows you've done. you must be learning so much through this. there's so much more to you. you worked in politics before. something not everyone knows about you. how did that inspire you? like how did you get involved in politics? today many people are like i want nothing to do with that world. if you want to be an actor, i'd much rather go that route. why did you want to get into that? >> in 2007 i started volunteering for president obama's campaign out in iowa. a lot of folks forget all the screen writers in hollywood were on strike. i had no job. >> you had time. >> i read the president's book -- >> how are you doing this appearance without a wryiter? >> this one? >> the strike's off now. >> ari is just making a bad joke. feel free to move on from that. >> moving on. but so we -- this was '07,

probably toward a good part of '08, and ended up going to what, 26 other states for the campaign. i was mostly working on youth outreach and arts policy things like cultural diplomacy. >> you didn't grow up wanting to get involved in politics? >> it just happened. '07, underdog candidate down 40 points in the polls. if you sign up to volunteer, next thing you know, campaign has grown exponentially. >> your parents were engaged and that sort of inspired you some? >> i guess, you know growing up both sets of grandparents marched with gandhi in the indian independence movement. >> wow. >> while politics was never part of the dinner table discussion public service was and it was pitted from separate of politics. to your question, i never thought i would end up getting involved in something like that. >> i didn't pick up any, like, undertones of gandhi in the white castle series. >> no, there were none. i try to keep them as separate as possible. >> you contain multitudes. >> i try. i don't know that the gandhi thing would vibe well with the hamburgers and the weeds.

>> could get in trouble for that. when you say you wanted to show another side to big data yet so many people especially young people your fans have these conflicted relationships with so many of these digital companies. what is the takeaway you want people to draw from this work from this series about their role as a data point in big data? >> so i think the point of it was certainly not -- you know, as much as i would of loved to do an episode on net neutrality that's not what our show is. instead, helping folks understand how each of us fit into the data trends in a little bit bigger way. you know examples are everything is where's the most pizza consumed in america? not actually new york or chicago. it's orlando florida. >> yeah it's crazy -- >> really? >> -- the most drugs are consumed in vermont? >> drugs per capita it's vermont and all prescription drugs. >> oh, that's sad. >> how that fits into the way we think about big data, it comes from people checking in on facebook, tagging something on instagram or the largest data

points of how stds are transmit transmitted, what that yields as an uptick in sexual activity pregnancy rates. >> we learn that sort of stuff and more in the show. >> and people eating crickets. >> people eating crickets yes. >> really informative, really interesting, really thoughtful. ton tan fantastic show. >> thank you for the support. >> at the end, you made it to "the cycle." >> kal penn. thank you very much. we'll be right back after this. more "cycle" after this. know you have insights from professional investment strategists to help set your mind at ease. know that planning for retirement can be the least of your worries. with the guidance of a pnc investments financial advisor, know you can get help staying on track for the future you've always wanted.

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it was another amazing weekend of college basketball. and you know whose bracket is still looking good? this girl's. yeah, right. i'm bragging a little bit. three of my final four are still in it after another weekend of march madness. of course, lived to up its name. my pick, kentucky, was taken down to the wire with only ten seconds left. they beat notre dame by just two. the wildcats punched their ticket to indianapolis in a rematch of last year's championship game with wisconsin. the badgers earned their second strait trip to the final four after sending the arizona wildcats back to the desert. in the eastern brackets seven seed michigan state needed overtime to end louisville's hopes of a final four appearance. the spartans will face off against duke which ended gonzaga's championship dreams but kept our next guest's hopes of a win alive. george schultz has duke winning it all, back with us to break all of this down.

jordan is a "huffington post" sports columnist. and, of course, friend of the show. jordan always good to have you. such a great weekend of basketball. very bummed in basketball. let's talk about duke. that is your pick. they had a great weekend. >> people don't talk about justice winslow. he's from houston. he has 16 points. he had 21-10 in the sweet 16. he's awesome. he might be the player of the year. their freshman center has been unbelievable. coach k. trying to get title number five. >> you know what's cool about duke? chris would jump in and say nothing. remember mike tyson. he was a bully and he waited to get pushed around. that's what we saw with kentucky. they got bullied around. they got punched in the mouth.

they were losing and yet they were resilient. they were strong. they can take a punch and keep going and that was a really important win for them. >> i think that was as impressive a game as they've had. they're 38-0 right now. for them to take that shot against notre dame and then come back and respond down the stretch, incredibly impressive. kentucky ranks number one in the country in field goal percentage. kentucky to me showed more resolve in that game than they have all year. >> wisconsin looked strong over the weekend and they're headed to a rematch with kentucky. >> none of these guys were megaremega mega recruits. look at him now. >> what we're looking ahead to is kentucky and duke probably in the finals.

>> that's the dream match. >> you want to make this interesting, buddy? >> i do. >> what do you want to do? >> maybe a bottle of wine. we talked about ties. >> i've been thinking a lot about this over the weekend. it could come down to duke and kentucky. let's say duke wins. toure has to come on the air and he has to admit defeat. he has to say you are right the entire time. if kentucky wins you come on and give me full credit and toure has to shave his head. >> no, no no no. >> shake on it. >> i'll shake on that. >> i'm not shaking. >> okay. everybody else. >> whoever loses has to admit the other is a genius. >> jordan shultz, always great having you. up next toure enters the shark tank. i like where this is going.

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subsidize his trip to india? can you imagine if the king said no? i would probably be in africa right now, but i digress. the "shark tank" is one of the realest shows on tv. that is happening constantly and not just in the business sector. it's in the political world too. the "shark tank" is the perfect metaphor for the primary. if you replace event planners with governors and senators, you have the invisible primary, but i wonder what that would look like. hello, sharks.

my name is governor john johnson. i'm the governor of a midwestern state and i'm running for the presidency of these great united states and i'm looking for $1 billion in exchange for 35% of my soul. i'm willing to be anti-anything you hate. who wants to come run the white house with me? >> here's how i think of my money. soldiers. i send them out to war every day. i want them to take prisoners and come home. >> mr. wonderful, don't talk to me about soldiers. real war will make you real money. >> you're an incredible impressive guy. if i offered you $30 million would you take it? >> cuban, get in the game. we're not buying a basketball team. we're talking about the presidency. i need real money. >> i can't stand him. >> i'm out. >> i'm out. >> i'm out. >> all right. opportunity knocked. no one was home.

turn around get out of here. >> if the invisible primary were televise televised, we could see what's in the wake of the campaign finance laws. is that the sort of democracy you want where a few billionaires shape the political menu and let you vote for what they want? in 2012, the president told a room full of rich people you have the potential of 200 people deciding who ends being president every single time. that's not the way things are supposed to work. it's not right and it's not democracy. we need to find a way to return the real power to real people. that's it for "the cycle."

the deadline for an iranian nuke deal is one day away. a shootout at the gates of the nsa leaves one dead. a so-called religious freedom law has indiana republicans facing outrage. it is monday march 30th and this is "now." >> these laws are unconscionable and outrageous. >> do you think it should be legal to discriminate against people? >> come on. >> he has taken a group of people and said you are not accepted by me and you're not going to be legally protected. >> companies have come out and said