tv NOW With Alex Wagner MSNBC March 30, 2015 1:00pm-2:01pm PDT
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cycle." the deadline for an iranian nuke deal is one day away. a shootout at the gates of the nsa leaves one dead. a so-called religious freedom law has indiana republicans facing outrage. it is monday march 30th and this is "now." >> these laws are unconscionable and outrageous. >> do you think it should be legal to discriminate against people? >> come on. >> he has taken a group of people and said you are not accepted by me and you're not going to be legally protected. >> companies have come out and said this is a dangerous law.
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>> this footprint and its ripple effect is much larger than expected. >> we didn't see that coming. >> yes or no should it be legal to discriminate against gays and lesbians? >> you're making this about something it's not. >> people are angry. they're upset, and they're insulted. >> there's only one choice. repeal this law. >> the issue that the republican party had hoped to put behind it is today very much right out in front. days after indiana governor mike pence signed into law a bill that would open the door to discrimination against lgbt rez residents residents, the republican lawmakers who passed that bill are saying they want to quote, calm the waters. >> there's unsettled waters right now, right? we need to step in and make sure
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those waters are calmed that the misconceptions about the bill are settled, and if that requires legislative clarification, that's what we're working on. >> unsettled waters or very hot water. the state of connecticut announced a ban on all publicly funded travel to indiana. days earlier the ceo of salesforce.com halted all corporate travel to the state and the ncaa which is hosting its mens and womens basketball finals in indianapolis next week, said it was deeply concerned about the legislation. even the ceo of angie's list abandoned a $40 million headquarters expansion in indianapolis because of a new law and today the ceo of the biggest company in the world joined the course of outrage. tim cook said laws like
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indiana's would, quote, allow people to discriminate against our neighbors. they have the potential to undo decades of progress toward greater equality. joining me now is democratic leader in the indiana state senate. thank you so much for joining me. i want to first just get your reaction to what seems to be a great deal of surprise on the part of the governor and republicans in your state. given the outrage that preceded jan brewer's veto of a similar view in arizona, what's the general feel among democrats in terms of the reaction here? >> let me say as democrats we warned the republicans that this bill would only make indiana
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look like we were trying to live in the past that it was going to be interpreted as being discriminatory discriminatory, it can be interpreted that way within reason, and it would cause damage to the state. they shouldn't be surprised, but they are. >> is there a sense of regret in the halls of the state capital today? >> among democrats, there's great regret that we passed this bill and the unfortunate light that it has cast our state in. on the other side i think it's actually more of what you said. it's more surprise. i hope there's some regret and i hope they realize what we need to do is take bold action to reverse this step. we have called of course for the repeal of the bill and then to protection of all people within the state of indiana. >> the republicans and the governor seem to think the
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issuance of a clarification would rectify this situation. >> from our perspective, this bill was so ill thought out. the breadth of it is way too much. the implications are such that we feel the whole bit is just tainted to the point to what we need to do is restore our reputation as a friendly state. the bill hasn't taken effect yet. it has been signed by the governor, but there would still be time to repeal this bill. >> when we talk about the similarity between this law and other states there are civil rights protections for the lgbt community. have democrats thought about passing legislation akin to that with the existence of this new law? >> yes. in fact we have said not only should we repeal this bill -- that's the second part of our
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proposal is to protect. by protecting we mean to amend our indiana civil rights act to cover sexual orientation. when you look at other states who have bills that are somewhat similar but not nearly as broad as the indiana bill they only work if you do have protection for sexual orientation. >> in terms of the indiana business community, certainly the national business community has reacted swiftly, have business leaders in your state called you or called the party and expressed their concern or reaction to this? >> well, they're expressing that almost hour by hour and we need to address this because this is an economic issue for the state of indiana. far beyond that it is just a matter of simple decency and human equality. it is impacting our economy and
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our business leaders in the state of indiana are very valid to be concerned about this. we need to listen to them and take bold action to reverse this course. >> thank you so much for your time. >> thank you so much. >> joining me now sam stein and cofounder of no hate jeff parshley. i think a lot of people thought this was an issue that went quietly into the night on the national stage. how much of an issue is this for the gop nationally do you think? >> i agree with you it started out not that big of an issue and it's only over the past day or two it has become this national controversy. i do think it is a big deal in part because it symbolizes the gop is currently out with the gay rights and the gay rights movement. you have half the party that
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feels it's already been decided. then you have another part of the country that is arguing old battles but echoing an emotional thread within their own constituency. in some respects the indiana law is the perfect personification of what's ripping up the party now on social issues so i don't see how this is resolved quietly. i'm curious to see what steps the governor takes, if any. at this juncture i'm not sure if he's going to back down. if he doesn't do anything for protection for gays and lesbians in this state -- >> the issue of marriage equality will be settled in the court system. there's a national sentiment
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that marriage equality is being accepted in greater numbers across the country, so states are resorting to legislation like this one. 21 states i believe, have similar laws. from the perspective of campaigns and activism where do you guys stand on pushing back here? where is the counterpoint? >> i think what's important for us in the "no hate" campaign is we need to remember that there are people in this state that have voices and need to be spoken to. you know to be able to protect everybody in that state is important because when one person's rights are at risk ultimately anybody in that state's rights are going to be risk. it is important to come together and stand up for each other and do what we can to make sure we are all protected under the law no matter what. >> democrats are pushing for a repeal of the law. they're also pushing for protecting lgbt citizens in the
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state of indiana. would that be satisfactory to you if you they can't repeal the full law? >> i think no matter what the rights of the lgbt community should be protected in the state of indiana, that they should have been protected prior to this law. a a >> sam, what has surprised, i think, a lot of people including the governor is how much the business community has reacted to this which is traditionally a bull work for republicans. you have former republican operatives saying they're going to stop doing expansion plans in this state. the this is a social issue, but
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economically this is not a good thing for conservatives. then you take litigation into at and it is -- account and it is even more complex and more thorny. >> a lot of people who run these businesses are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. i'm not saying everyone who runs a fortune 500 company or a big corporation is socially liberal, but i do imagine that people in the high ranks of those companies have a more open mind-set to lgbts than conservatives. there are litigation nightmares that come out of this but this is a real concern for these corporations. i would say the final thing is the public relations element. companies don't want to be on
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the wrong side of history just as much as politicians don't want to be on the wrong side of history, but they have an immediate need to be on the right side of history. >> jeff is this a hitch in an inevitable -- is this just a minor detail in the road towards marriage equality or is it a real splitting in the road? >> i think it has potential. but i think the momentum that this country is seeing right now is going to move past this. i think we're going to move in the right direction, but i think it has potential to open the door for other states to inherit laws like this and it's potentially damaging to a lot of people in this country. >> sam stein, hang with me. thanks for your time. after the break, a potentially landmark nuclear deal with iran is coming down to the wire if secretary john kerry can secure an agreement. can he sell it to congress? later a bizarre shootout
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less than 26 hours, that is how much time negotiators in switzerland have to reach a framework for an iran nuclear deal in swiss time. significant gaps remain. the main sticking points, how to dispose of iran's nuclear stockpile, specifically will to ship the atomic fuel to russia how long the deal will last. at this point, it is looking like a decade and how quickly the international sanctions on
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iran will be lifted. just how to resolve these obstacles is unclear. one meeting broke up after just 18 minutes. joining me now is a former democratic congresswoman jane haar harmon and michael crowley. there's a 50/50 chance for a deal by tomorrow. what is your overunder on this? >> the main goal is to ensure that iran can't develop a nuclear weapon faster than we can stop it. i don't know if they're still at the table. we're hearing the reprocessed fuel is going to stay in the country. i want to make another point
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which will have to do with acceptance which is iran's behavior around the world is making an agreement easier to reach. >> which is the biggest obstacle at this point? >> boy, it's the cliche -- thank you both for the plugs and the kind words. as the state department keeps saying nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to. if we make a concession in one area, we're going to ask for more in another area so you're kind of shifting things around. it's like you're taking piles -- you're shrinking one pile and making the other one grow. i think probably the hardest
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issue here is the number of centrifuges. i say that because it is so easy for people to focus on. it's a number. i think it's going to be in the headlines. people will say over-under. how many did they get? and the centrifuges have been leaked and floated in the media so much that i think people have a sense of what would be a win and what would be a loss. that number can be misleading because there other factors, including how much nuclear material iran is able to keep in the country. i do think probably the political reality that's on the mind of negotiators in switzerland right now is the centrifuge number might be the hardest thing from a pr perspective. >> it is like a rubik's cube. jane, you mentioned iran's bad behavior. steve cole in "the new yorker"
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brings up an interesting point. by easing economic sanctions, a deal might empower iran at a time when the collapsing oil prices could actually reduce its ability to fund violent militias around the middle east. i don't think that's something a lot of people are considering. how much does something like that keep you up at night? >> it keeps me up at night a lot. a cataclysmic confrontation between sunnis and shia in the region keeps me up at night and that would have the unintended consequence perhaps of triggering world war iii. >> but you think there are grave -- >> they decided to form a new army to get itself involved in yemen. who is involved in yemen? the iranians through the houthis
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through proxies. even if the rubik's cube is put together, the civilized world is getting skeptical if iran will adhere to the deal. >> you sound skeptical, jane. >> i'm for a good enough deal. perfection is not an option. this is a mother of four children. my four grandchildren, however, are perfect. getting these things good enough so we have confidence that iran can't build a bomb faster than we could stop it that the breakout time is long enough so that we could find out and that the stuff in the country that could be used for the bomb leaves the country, these are the things that are fairly obvious to most people looking at this. i'm certainly not an expert on the technicalities of nuclear weapons, but the audience is the united states congress. the
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united nations, the people who live in countries in europe, and i think perhaps most in important in the shortest term is the neighborhood. the neighborhood is full of skeptics given the way iran is behaving with the funding and supplying of the houthis. it shows no effort. in fact, it is going the wrong direction. it is increasing support for these groups, not decreasing. >> jane brings up a very important point, which is the shifting nature of our relationship with iran given iran's actions. whether we are aligning with them in iraq fighting against isis, whether we are against them in yemen, is that just the real world? is that unacceptable? >> i think it is real politique.
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you know the interesting and kind of scary question here is whether it is tenable to be kind of playing it both ways. i did a story last week when i was surprised when i started reporting it by the number of people who were saying this to me, which is there was real concern that the 3,000 troops we have in iraq right now could be a target for iran, particularly in this nuclear deal falls apart. the nuclear talks are kind of keeping a lid on iranian behavior in the region. but if talks collapse we get in a more confrontational posture. the iranian military hates the american military. it is just not that hard to imagine us getting back to a situation that becomes violent and could escalate in very dangerous and scary ways. >> this is the iteration of iraq
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and a hard place. jane? >> in the effort to help the iraqis take back tikrit there are iranian forces on the ground. the u.s. has decided to engage in aerial bombing. at any rate the iraq government is slow rolling this request and this stuff is enormously worrisome. then you have iran out there, it seems to me being aggressive to other countries. you have some complicity by the iraqi government. where this goes i agree with michael, is to very scary places. i hope we make a deal. i hope it is good enough. but i hope iran is listening and
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understanding the context of this deal could either help or hurt anybody getting to yes. >> we will be watching and reading everything that michael crowley writes coming up this week. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, alex. coming up, one dead, two injured in a shooting outside the national security agency. more details on that next. more to see. more to feel. ♪ more to make things really really... interesting. ♪ the new focus. from the auto brand more people buy, and buy again. how much protein does your dog food have? 18 percent? 20? purina one true instinct has 30. active dogs crave nutrient-dense food. so we made purina one true instinct. learn more at purinaone.com
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and fueling hundreds of vehicles. we're very focused on reducing our environmental impact. and natural gas is a big part of that commitment. one person was killed and two were injured at nsa headquarters in ft. meade, maryland today when two men in a stolen car tried to crash through a gate at the facility. the two men, one of whom died at the scene, were reportedly dressed as women. an nsa police officer was injured. fbi officials say that the shooting is now contained and there is nothing indicating this was related to terrorism. do we know how the fbi so
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quickly ruled out terrorism? >> reporter: hi alex. at this point, there's more questions than answers about what happened this morning. shortly before 9:00 a.m. this car approached a secure entrance to the nsa headquarters. the nsa police officers stopped the car and gave them routine instructions and told them to turn around. the car disregarded and accelerated at the barriers. that's when nsa police officers opened fire on the vehicle. the vehicle crashed into an nsa police officer's vehicle that was stopped in their way. in the course of this one suspect was killed. the other was injured. the nsa police officer was also injured. they were dressed as women, according to nbc news reporting, but at this point we're not sure what took them to the gate early this morning and ultimately caused this incident. we do know the fbi is taking a lead role in this investigation with other law enforcement
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see the light of day because her personal server has been scrubbed clean. resident staff in the white house paints the clinton's in an unflattering light. their preoccupation with secrecy made relations with the staff chaotic for their entire eight years in office. they are the most paranoid people i have ever seen in my life said one usher. adds bill's state of mind these days can be summed up as zen and jolly. but that strategy includes involving the former president in campaign planning and strategy while at the same time avoiding joint appearances so as to avoid overshadowing his wife. joining me now is a criminal defense attorney and a political reporter and a political editor.
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nick i would like my mind state to be zen and jolly. >> you seem pretty zen today. >> jolly. maybe not so much zen. this strategy do you think it's the right move? >> it boils down to who will be the miter for bill clinton. how do you get all the good without the bad? if he's roaming free range all the time -- a staffed politician on the campaign trail does better than a guy who is kind of semi-staffed, right? >> can this be like the blueprint to the gift and the curse? can you neutralize the negatives
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and get all the positives with bill clinton or should they triage as soon as possible? >> i guess you should expect a bit of both and hope the positives outweigh the negatives. he was an asset in 2008 but he had liabilities in south carolina. what i liked about the article in "the times", the aides were like they recognize the consequences are very big this time around as opposed to 2008. i don't understand why they weren't that big in 2008. >> she can't run again this time. maybe that's foot in mouth. in terms of scrubbing the e-mail, the fact that we're getting this news that she scrubbed her server clean, legally how much of that is an issue? >> she was notified by the
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request of the state department. now you can't even look for it. it is consciousness of guilt. that's how you get it into evidence. this is problematic. >> you think this is something there could be legs on. >> even the most ardent supporter of hillary clinton has to be like what you did what? what message does that send, even if it is innocent? we'll never know. >> she is compliant with that archives rule. she gets to makes the call as to what is relevant. >> any public official is using public and personal accounts. maybe you shouldn't scrub the server. we're going to move on. sam, this is particularly good for you. news that president obama will travel to kenya this summer. aka going home.
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that news already has some on the right accusing the president of inciting chatter among birther. >> his trip back to kenya is going to create a lot of chatter and commentary amongst some of the hard right who still don't see him as having been born in the u.s. i personally think he's just inciting some chatter on an issue that should have been a dead issue a long time ago. >> this is a trap that the white house is laying for birther and con spearists. >> a multimillion dollar cross continental trap for birthers. >> because now is the time to lay that trap. >> absolutely. this is brilliant. it is right around april fool's day that they announce this. just connect the dots people. geez. >> he's obviously going to kenya to wallow in the anti-colonial,
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anti-american nature of his father. >> he's not been to kenya since he's been president. >> i was born in this country but from india. you get criticized for not going home enough. not going to your native place. >> but he is from this country. >> home is hawaii. >> there is every reason for him to visit a place -- independent of his father to visit kenya. he has roots there. >> when you have roots in a different country and you don't visit, you get criticized for it. >> i think it is outrageous that the president can't conduct a foreign trip for years and now that it is finally announced in the waning months of his presidency, it is derided as calculation to incite -- >> do you really find that ridiculous that some people take umbrage with this? do you really find that ridiculous?
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>> i just read "the new york times times" headline. next up, now happening on this show comedy central announces it has chosen south african comic trevor noah to take over the reins from jon stewart later this year. vox says playing the wide-eyed foreigner allows him to take on highly sensitive subjects in a way that is much lower stakes than an american comedian. do you agree with that? >> yes, i do. they have gone from two white guys in those seats to now 1 1/2 black guys which i love. >> i would argue that blackness and people of color have various ways of sort of confirming their
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identity. >> i still love it, alex. i'm sorry. >> there's also jon oliver and the fact he is not an american. so vox has its points. i bristle at the idea -- it's funny up until a point, right? it's funny and then it is like wait a second. there are a lot of problems in south africa. >> it's a long history of foreigners coming over here to make fun of us and us loving it. like pierce morgan. >> do you think it's an issue at all the fact that he is not american and is going to be hosting a very american program? >> me?
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>> no. you look at me as if that the most outrageous -- do you watch "the daily show"? >> i do. >> do you think it's an issue? >> i do not. bill de blasio is coming under fire for his work schedule that is more reminiscent of a college student on break. you know the work habits of bill de blasio. >> i do. >> he has been known to arrive at park slope gym at 9:50 a.m. he's held public events before 11:00 a.m. on just 23 of 87 days this year. >> if he wants that schedule he should be a reporter. that's what we do. >> we can't have that schedule. i don't know what you're talking
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about. >> this is his great attempt to mends fences with the new york city press corps. this is reporter time 11:00 a.m. >> go ahead, go ahead, sam, if you feel like you can comment on this. >> this isn't just directives from ariana. it is true we under value the importance of getting rest and having a workout routine. i think this might be taking a little too far if you're running the biggest city in america, but i appreciate the sentiment that he is expressing that is underlying all of this. >> i think it is embarrassing. i think he needs to get up at 4:00 a.m. it is slovenly and embarrassing. >> that's the final word. thank you. thank you. >> thank you. >> you can see seema every tuesday at 11:00 a.m. on "the
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deliberately crashing a germanwings plane into the french alps last week. 27-year-old andreas lubitz has received psychotherapy for several years before becoming a pilot. in that therapy, his doctor noticed that lubitz showed signs of suicidal tendencies. in follow-ups, he didn't show signs of those tendencies or being a threat to others. the parent company of germanwings says it has no knowledge of any medical issue that lubitz may have had. joining me now is our correspondent. what can you tell us about the latest on this investigation? >> reporter: the investigation will probably speed up starting tomorrow because french national police told nbc news that the road they've been building to reach that crash site with land
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vehicles is finally completed today. as early as tomorrow morning, a convoy of four by four carrying emergency workers and investigators will use that road to reach the crash site. that is a major step forward. the only way to reach that crash site was through helicopters. two investigators had the time had to be dropped down wenched down a cable from a helicopter on that crash site. now it will be a lot faster than that. the french police told us as well about 4,500 pieces of debris and body parts were recovered since tuesday. tomorrow morning we expect the prosecutor in charge of the investigation to visit that crash site for the first time so we'll see what he has to say, alex. >> thank you for your time. joining me now is a professor at duke university and
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a former u.s. navy pilot. in terms of this latest development that this pilot had been seeing a psychotherapist and there's a note that he may have had suicidal tendencies shouldn't at some point this had been flagged by if not himself, medical authorities? >> i would have been good if it had been but unless he self-identified to a air evaluator, it wouldn't have. >> germany has very stringent privacy laws. but in terms of airlines and what threshold has to be declared, this doesn't meet it? >> i don't think germany is in different in terms of if the person who is ill does not come forward and tell you that they're mentally ill, there's no way it's ever going to come out. >> i guess i meant more in terms
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of the medical professional seeing him. do you think there will be a revisitation in the way which mental health issues are reported to companies? >> there's still a lot of reluctance in the mental health community to go out to somebody's workplace, and that's assuming he was completely honest with his workplace -- if you're going to harm someone else or harm yourself theoretically, a mental health care professional can go to the authorities, but again that's the assumption that everything is known and that it is clear that there's some imminent danger, which may have been the case here. >> there are some european governments and corporations that are now requiring two people in the cockpit at the same time at any given time. in terms of this suggestion that is out there that we think more
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