bates to get voters to pay attention to the voice. she has a choice. is heshe going to cede the ground to martin o'malley or take it for himself? we hope there's a race for the top when it comes to economic populism. >> we'll leave it there. great to have you with us tonight. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" begins with reverend al sharpton. good evening rev. >> good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. we start with breaking news out of indiana. just moments ago, ceos from some of the state's leading companies speaking out against a so-called religious freedom law. they sent a blistering letter to governor mike pence, slamming the new bill that critics say could let religion be used to justify discrimination. pressure is building but governor mike pence is standing his ground. refusing to push a new law protecting the civil rights of gays and lesbians.

>> i will not push for that. that's not on my agenda and that's not been -- that's not been an objective of the people of the state of indiana. >> governor pence says the law won't lead to discrimination but watch him refuse to answer whether he thinks it should be legal to discriminate. >> finally, yes or no question governor, do you think it should be legal in the state of indiana to discriminate against gays or lesbians? >> george -- >> it's a yes or no question. >> come on. hoosiers don't believe in discrimination. >> yes or no. should it be legal to dis discriminate against gays and lesbians? >> george, you're following the mantra of the last week online. >> the governor saying little but revealing a lot. this story is only just beginning. with outrage across the country from protesters in the street to

celebrities and social media and on tv. to some of america's biggest companies including apple. this is a key moment for the country. too often in our history, we've seen religion used to justify attacks on other people's rights. from slavery, to jim crow to women's right to vote. that same fight is with us today, and we can't let it stand. joining me now, congressman andre carson democrat from indiana, and mayor of south bend indiana, democrat pete budajudge. thank you, both for being here. congressman carson -- >> thank you, reverend. >> -- you're at the state capitol. what kind of damage is this law doing to your state? >> you know, the ncaa which is hosting the final four this weekend in indiana has already talked about canceling future

events in the state. ncaa in fact is headquartered in indiana and in indianapolis in my district. it's disappointing, reverend, because this bill gives justification to individuals and even businesses to discriminate on the basis of religion. so we'll see discrimination against brothers and sisters from the lgbt community, women and minorities and we know it's a slippery slope. >> this, really congressman, is not about religion. it's really not even just about gays and lesbians though they're the focal point. >> sure. >> it's about nondiscrimination. i mean, i've been to your town. >> absolutely. >> you've been there when i preached in churches. we believe in religion but we don't believe in a theocracy. >> that's right. that's right. what we're seeing on the ground is that the people are pushing back. we're seeing members of the faith community, one of the pastors, our friend david hampton, a member of the national action network -- >> that's right. >> -- has pushed back. other politicians are pushing back. celebrities are speaking out. sports figures are speaking out.

what we're going to see in the next few weeks, reverend sharpton, is a movement on the ground. we know the national action network will be at the forefront of that movement because enough is enough. indiana is a great state. the people make the state great. but this is so embarrassing. i don't even think that what state legislators are trying to do right now is to push a bill through the statehouse to clarify the language but i think it's insufficient. a repeal is certainly in order. >> one that has really been on the front, is you, mr. mayor. mayor, you've been speaking out against this law. this is it so important to you? >> well, when you're a mayor you spend so much time and mayor trying to attract businesses trying to attract people to your community. part of how you do that is you try to demonstrate it's a 21st century community, open to all. we're all for religion freedom. i am. everybody in south bend is. that doesn't mean it's okay to harm others in the name of religion this.

this bill sends the exact wrong message about our communities and state. i wanted to get out there and let everybody know this doesn't speak for all hoosiers doesn't speak for south bend. we pride ourselves to being open to all. >> mayor, the governor says he's standing by the law despite the backlash. listen to this. >> we're not going to change the law. okay? we're not going to change this law. it has been tested in courts for more than two decades on the federal level. >> what will it take to move the governor from that position? >> i think the governor needs to listen to hoosiers. i think he needs to listen to the business community. you know, the interests of our state and our communities are not being well served. when you refuse to budge on a very divisive social issue like this. look, all it would take to reverse the damage would be to fix the law. a repeal would do that. show would including lgbt nondiscrimination in our state's civil rights law. if he at least would be willing

to add that kind of language to say it shouldn't be legal to discriminate against anybody this state. then the argument this isn't about discrimination would become a lot more convincing. >> congressman, here's what the gay rights group, glaad, one of the prominent groups in the civil rights community, they report attending the governor's private signing ceremony governor pence, that is is a man who equates homosexuality with bestiality, one who says homosexuality is a mental disorder and another who stokes fear by claiming pastors could be arrested for preaching against homosexuality. doesn't this show what's really behind this so-called religious freedom bill, congressman carson? >> you know it's very disappointing. i served with governor pence in congress. we've had lunch several times. i found him to be a man very committed to his principles but we've seen this before. we've seen religion be used to

justify slavery. we've seen religion used to justify discrimination in all forms, whether sexual or even religious. and we've seen religion used as a tool to divide people. so it seems as if there were members of the state legislature who were throwing a bone to social conservatives who were very disappointed that gay marriage had been legalized in indiana. >> mr. mayor, today indiana's republican house speaker admitted discriminating against gays and lesbians is already legal in much of the state. listen to this. >> you guys have said repeatedly that you, you know we shouldn't be able to discriminate against anyone, but if you just ignore the existence of this law can't we already do that now, can't so-and-so in richmond put a sign up and say, no gays allowed? that's not against the law, protect? >> if you were in a community with a human rights ordinance, that wouldn't be the case. >> northeast of the case does not have this correct? >> that's correct.

>> mayor buttigieg, your city south bend does have an ordinance against this discrimination discrimination. >> that's right. >> doesn't most of indiana need more protections, not fewer? >> that's right. i wish more communities in indiana would follow south bend's lead. i was proud, two years ago, to sign the human rights ordinance and it's something that protects -- by the way, it also protects freedom of religion but at the same time it protects glbt residents from discrimination. we need more of that. what's really troubling about this bill is it is aimed squarely at the local decision which was the decision our community made. you know i would expect conservative legislators ss and a conservative governor to be for local control, something that there's support for on both sides of the aisle. this is doing just the reverse and i just can't understand why anybody, especially when we're competing for people we're competing for jobs we're competing for conventions, why would anybody want to send the message that we're turning back the clock on equality? >> and, congressman carson at a

time the republicans are saying they want to reach out, and as you talked about with the ncaa here's what the ceo of apple, tim cook wrote today. "this isn't a political issue. it isn't a religious issue. this is about how we treat each other as human beings. opposing discrimination takes courage. it's time for all of us to be courageous." congressman, this is tim cook. this is apple. you don't get much bigger than that today in america. >> absolutely. i think mr. cook is right on the mark. what we're seeing to mr. cook's point, is we're seeing a national trend where there are elected officials who are attempting to promote the rights of corporations over the rights of individuals, americans, and even hoosiers to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, reverend. >> do you think, mr. mayor, that the average hoosier wants to be looked upon in a way that their

state represents the anti-civil rights position in the 21st century? because if this continues, it's going to be on the fast track toward that. >> exactly. and i don't think that most hoosiers are on board with that. look, when people think of a city like south bend or when they think of the state of indiana, we want them to think about what's best about us. we want them to think about our scenery, the indy 500 or basketball or football. we want them to think about our economic growth. we don't want people to be thinking about discrimination against any group as the first thing that comes to mind webhen they think about our state and communities like south bend. that's why we're stepping up to say this does not speak for all of us. i don't think this speaks for most of us. we have to take a stand and do what's right. >> congressman andre carson and mayor pete buttigieg, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you, reverend. coming up breaking news from the german airline disaster disaster. officials now saying the

co-pilot had, quote, suicidal tendencies. plus hillary's plans for bill in 2016. how she'll unleash the democrats' secret weapon on the campaign trail. also the new jon stewart making history in late night tv. all that ahead. but first, don't get him angry. the rock obama comes to "snl." >> what's happening? >> what's happening is you made barack obama very angry, and when you make him angry, he turns into the rock obama. >> you like israel? >> yes. >> oh maybe you should go visit israel.

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developing news tonight. wall street gearing up for a huge fight with democrats over the fairness agenda in 2016. "reuters" reports key u.s. banks have talked about halting some campaign donations to senate democrats because of the progressive policies of lawmakers like elizabeth warren. representatives from citigroup, jp morgan, gold maunman sachs and bank of america met to discuss ways to urge democrats to soften their party's tone toward wall street. i guess the banks didn't like this kind of talk. >> there's a lot of talk lately

about how dodd/frank isn't perfect. there's a lot of talk coming from citigroup about how dodd/frank isn't perfect. so let me say this to anyone who is listening at citi. i agree with you, dodd/frank isn't perfect. it should have broken you into pieces. >> they want to ensure that wall street megabanks will never again monopolize our nation's wealth or gamble away the american dream. >> you cannot regulate wall street. wall street is regulating the congress. time to break up large wall street banks. >> these lawmakers are not letting wall street run wild. but they've got a tough fight ahead of them. u.s. banks are adding lobbyists to target the watchdog agency that protects regular folks. the consumer financial protection bureau. the banks are also pouring money into efforts to roll back dodd/frank financial reform.

and the new house republican budget targets both. republicans are doing exactly what wall street wants. and progressives in the white house and in congress will have to stop them. joining me now is vermont independent senator, bernie sanders. thanks for being here, senator. >> my pleasure. >> senator, banks are now talking about withholding donations. are they scared of the work you venn and others have done? >> well, i think they're beginning to get nervous that the american people are catching on, that the ethos of wall street is greed and fraud. that is unacceptable al for six financial institutions to have assets equivalent to 6 o0% of the gdp of our country to issue half the mortgages and 2/3 of the credit cards in this country. and the american people understand that we in congress are unable to regulate wall

street in fact their power is to great they regulate the united states congress. and more and more people are saying, enough is enough it is time to break them up. and they are getting a little nervous. >> you know senator, financial reform is a big part of president obama's legacy. how big will this fight be in the next year? >> well, it's going to be a huge fight because as every listener and every viewer understands, it was the greed and recklessness and illegal behavior of wall street which drove this country into the worst recession since the great depression. these people are greedy greedy greedy. they want more and more and more. and they're prepared to destroy the economy to get what they want. and ultimately, what we as a nation have got to say is do we stand up to this incredible power? do we create a financial system whose job is to make sure that small and medium-sized

businesses can grow jobs in this country? or do we continue to have a wall street which is an island unto itself whose only goal in life is to make more and more money from their stockholders and the ceos of the big firms? >> republican senators may not want to do anything about income inequality, but they're definitely starting to talk about it. listen to this. >> the recovery has been everywhere but in the family paychecks. the american dream has become a mirage for far too many. >> the wage stagnation is happening at a time when the cost of everything is going up dramatically. >> the facts are we're facing right now a divided america when it comes to the economy. today, the top 1% earn a higher share of our national income than any year since 1928. >> senator, they sound like bernie sanders. they sound like you. but what are their solutions? what are they saying? >> here's the solution al. you're right. they do sound like me.

here's their solutions. their solution is that the last republican budget just done last week they decided to give more tax breaks to the multibillionaires of this country and because of their deep concern about the pain facing working families cut back on the ability of kids to go to college, cut back on nutrition, cut back on affordable housing. and, by the way, add another $38 billion into defense spending unpaid for. if they are concerned about working families, let them start talking about and acting on raising the minimum wage, dealing with pay equity stopping bad trade agreements which cost them jobs. i'm afraid all they are is rhetoric. they're catching on the american people are upset but they in fact have nothing concrete to offer. >> senator bernie sanders, thank you for your time tonight. senator, we'll look forward to seeing you next week at the national action network 2015 convention from april 8th through the 11th right here in new york. straight ahead, bill

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sides. rnc chair reince priebus now says deleting e-mails from her server may be criminal. >> if it was wiped clean, i guess the next question would be whether there's criminal conduct involved. this is intentional behavior which in many cases, steve, is criminal in nature. the question is whether or not this is going to rise to the level of a subpoena where she's going to have to comply with a court order. >> sure. >> a republican criticizing clinton is not a news alert. but what former democratic governor martin o'malley says is a bit more surprising. >> our country always benefits from new leadership and new perspective. let's be honest here the presidency of the united states is not some crown to be passed between two families. it is an awesome and sacred trust to be earned and exercised on behalf of the american

people. >> those two families bush and clinton? >> right now, george you know the -- any two families. >> she's taking heat from both sides. but is it out of fear? the latest poll showing 81% of democrats would consider voting for clinton. so is a decision coming soon? and what might a clinton campaign look like? joining me now are democratic strategist jamaal simmons and joan walsh from salon.com. thank you both for being here. >> thanks rev. >> thank you, rev, good to be here. >> o'malley is the first democrat to take a shot at clinton so far. he's been asked about it countless times. why make this statement now? >> you know, i think fwompbgovernor o'malley figured out there's an opening here. senator clinton is a little bit rusty, hasn't gotten off the dime in the most powerful way in terms of her own presentations and answers to some of the questions that have been out

there. democrats want a competitive primary. i think senator clinton is tough enough to take on governor o'malley, probably beat him. if she's not tough enough to take him on, it's better to know that in the primary than get to the general election and find out there's something wrong there. i think it's good for her. i think it's good for the party and good for governor o'malley to make a strong case as long as he doesn't make a republican case against her during the course of this campaign. >> joan, is mrs. clinton rusty? i mean, does she need to fight? >> look i'd like to see her have a primary challenge. i did a long interview with governor o'malley. i have a lot of respect for him. i will say, though, rev i thchkink it's fine to hit her on policy. when democrats fall into the trap of equating the bushs and clintons and acting like they're some kind of rowell tyyalty, they don't help the party or help us understand the nature of income inequality. >> isn't she going to have to deal with that issue? >> from waubrepublicans.

democrats shouldn't be dignifying it. she's not the child of a president, the niece or nephew of a senator on his mother's side, jeb bush is descended from franklin pierce. do you not want her to become president? should she not succeed her husband? that's fair to have a debate about. the class issue obscures the real issue of how class works in america. >> talking about her husband, jamal, clinton advisers are trying to figure out how to use her not so secret weapon bill clinton. "the new york times" says they are discussing whether to deploy a senior aide to travel with him to keep him focused on his wife's central message. how do you use bill clinton's strengths in this campaign jamal? >> you know, i used to work for president clinton and i think he is one of the best political

campaigners that we've ever seen. as i said in 2008, he's a little more gladys knight. that's the tough part of getting bill clinton on the campaign trail, he's not used to playing a backup singer. they need to find a way to get him focused, keep him on message. if they figure that out, they're a duo that can't be beat. they have to figure it out. >> he is by far one of the most effective campaigners and charismatic political figures that i've certainly met. i've dealt with them for the last 20 years. >> right. >> the problem, joan, is if you inhibit him, do you dial back his charisma which is the reason you want him out there? i mean isn't it a delicate balance they're going to have to find here? >> yeah. it's a very delicate balance, and i'm sure the camp -- i'm sure very smart people right now within the clinton extended family are talking about it a lot. i don't really know how you do it. i think he's somebody with whom you take the good which is

considerable, with the bad. the bad is smaller, much much smaller but it occasionally surfaces. i do think they have to make sure to rein him in a little bit or keep him focused on what the message is and not let him freelance and necessarily step on her message which he did many times, let's be honest in 2008. >> let me go back jamal, to reince priebus, the chair of the rnc. and more of his interview. listen to this. >> this is intentional behavior which in many cases, steve, is criminal in nature. >> even nixon didn't destroy the tapes. there are thousands and thousands of e-mails that are missing. >> comparing her to nixon? i mean saying this is criminal is this going too far, jamal? >> yeah. 7 first of all let's think about how rich it is that a republican chairman is going after nixon who got in trouble -- who was a republican president -- who got

in trouble for going after democrats. i think that there's nothing criminal about this because there is no criminal inquiry -- there is no indictment, there is no -- i mean there's nothing here that says criminality. there's a partisan witch hunt on capitol hill going after something that everybody acknowledged is a tragedy in benghazi, everybody who looked at the case said the state department did something wrong. senator clinton said she did something wrong and handed over 55,000 pages worth of e-mails. what they're talking about is really more political hackry than it is an actual issue that the american public cares about. >> you know joan once she announces, does the e-mail controversy go away? >> i don't think it will ever go away entirely, reverend al because they want to make it an issue. they don't have that much on her. i think we're already seeing the voters do not care. every poll taken since this emerged shows it's getting no traction with voters. it's getting traction with desperate republicans. so i think they'll try to make it an issue, keep it an issue as

long as they can. i don't see it going anywhere. she was entitled to have private e-mail, all public officials are entitled to do that. what she did with it what she did with her private e-mail is her business. >> you know, i'm out of time jamal, but you said you worked for bill clinton, and i noticed another "new york times" story that said in the 2012 race he actually had bumped into mitt romney and was giving him advice on how to debate president obama and telling him what to do. that sounds so bill clinton like. >> he just can't help himself. he's like such a tactician. he can argue it from any side of the coin. >> i don't think it was anything duplicitous. he told me how to preach sermons. the problem is he was good he was better than i was that day. >> so much advice. >> he's good. >> jamal simmons, joan walsh, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, rev. >> thank you. still ahead, "conversation nation." the jaw-dropping poll of what republican voters think about the so-called threat from

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krystal ball. political science professor, jason johnson. and "boston globe's," shera sensor. thank you all for being here tonight. >> thanks for having us, rev. >> thank you, rev. >> let me start with this question. should the ncaa pull the final four from indianapolis? that's what some like former nba star turned analyst charles barkley are suggesting. the calls are growing. just days before the top four college teams tip off. and these calls are growing in response to the state's new law that could legalize discrimination in the name of religious freedom. there are no plans to move it, but the ncaa president said the law could lead to big changes. >> we hold lots and lots of events here. we're going to have our national convention here. our offices are here. we have to say, all right, what are we going to do if this law goes into effect in july?

and what's our relationship with the state of indiana going to be? >> jason, should the ncaa pull out of indiana? >> well as an entire corporation, that would be great should they stop the games that are going to happen later on this week, i don't necessarily think that would be a good idea right now. but i do think they should be putting some long-term pressure. look, the nfl did this with arizona when they tried to pass ridiculous laws about immigration. i think the ncaa has just as much power to change this legislation before it goes into effect in july. >> shera, jason is right. the nfl had to deal with this with arizona and they did change at the last minute. should the ncaa pull that save leverage for this weekend's game? >> it's just a little too soon i think to move the entire tournament out of indiana. what we do know is republican leaders in the statehouse are already going back and looking at this law. they know it wasn't clear.

they know it's become a huge pr fiasco for them. they know it's going to be most of all bad for business in indiana because it's not just the ncaa. it's also angie's list that halted a huge expansion in the state. it's definitely a problem for the republican party as a whole when you look at these kinds of laws. >> krystal, everyone from tim cook to celebrities have jumped in on this and the republican chair of indiana says he's surprised. he doesn't understand what people are -- that people would react like this. do you think that they're really surprised on getting a court or that the language was vague enough that you would think that seasoned legislators would have known what they were doing? >> i can't imagine how they would be surprised. i mean as you've already alluded to we had a very similar bill pass the state legislature in arizona, and a very similar backlash including from businesses and ultimately governor jan brewer decided to

veto that bill. so i'm not sure how they were surprised by the backlash here. i'm not sure how they're unable to answer governor mike pence, in particular, simple, basic questions about this law. and the fact that businesses have been so outspoken already is so powerful in this case because let's keep in mind republicans frequently like to be on the side of business. they don't want to do something that is bad for business in their state. so i think those voices have been so powerful and so important in this debate. >> but jason, is the combination of sports and business enough pressure to put on pence and the state legislature to deal with this is. >> oh, i think it will be eventually. i think these guys are surprise surprised. i think some of these state legislators are in such a bubble of their own constituencyies that they think they can get by with this stuff and it's not going to make a difference. trust me after all that's happened now they're going to change this. these guys are already

scrambling around trying to wiggle their way out off of it. they're going it do something even if we don't lose the games this weekend. >> i think pence used this to get attention and support from conservatives. >> he got a lot of attention. let me move on shira, who poses an imminent threat to the united states? "reuters" asked republicans in a new poll. 23% said syrian president bashar al assad. 25% said russian president vladimir putin. who do you think got 34% of republicans to say they're a serious threat to the country? president barack obama. a third of republicans. shira, this is pretty eye opening. i mean what's your reaction? >> i mean i just try and look at this poll and try to figure out what goes through the head of someone when they answer this question saying the president is more threatening than vladimir

putin. right? like, what goes through their head when they answer this? do they think the president -- yeah, do they think the president has more of an impact on national policy than putin? okay maybe i could rationalize that. but it just seems like of bizarre to even compare them in the first place. >> i mean jason, only the ayatollah of iran got more than the president. i mean this is unbelievable. >> i'm not shocked, and i honestly think -- i think there has always been a certain segment of the population some of them republican some of them just conservatives who always thought president obama was some terrible muslim terrorist. i think that's why he's going to kenya this summer he's just trolling people. he doesn't care. he won both of his elections. so i really think this does not shock me that that attitude is there. i'm shocked as many people still think the democratic party, regardless of obama, is more of a threat than vladimir putin. that concerns me about american democracy. >> but krystal, i mean when you think about the fact that this

is the base of the republican party, this is who the legislators in indiana are playing to -- >> right. >> this is who the presidential primary candidates are playing to, and this is how they feel. >> it really -- i mean more than angry or surprised, it just makes me sad, and i have such trouble understanding how you look at president barack obama and whether you agree with all of his policies or not, how you see anything other than a good man who's trying to do the best that he can for his country. it just baffles me. it absolutely floors me. but you do have this segment that from the very beginning, they grabbed these words when he said he would fundamentally transform the country. they've been using that ever since to say he's going to take away their way of living and turn this country into something that's unrecognizable. we certainly haven't seen it yet. >> everyone stay with me. when we come back he has a tough act to follow. jon stewart's replacement is named. we'll introduce you to him. next.

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we're back with our panel, krystal, jason, and shira. now to the big news from late night tv. comedy central announced that south african comedian trevor noah will take over jon stewart's seat as host of "the daily show." noah's done only three appearances on the show but he seems at home in the hot seat. >> you flew in i guess, yesterday from south africa.

>> yeah i just flew in and boy are my arms tired. >> okay. >> no no seriously, i've been holding my arms like this since i got here. yeah. >> krystal, what do you think of the pick? >> i think it's smart in a way because jon stewart would be so hard to replace directly. i think by bringing someone who has a different focus, an international focus, is familiar with the show but is not a regular, i think it's interesting. it could change the feel of the show. it's exciting to see a guy who's new on the scene get this shot. >> jason, you know a bit about him, i understand. >> yeah, yeah. look, i'm a huge trevor noah fan. there's a great documentary about him called "you laugh but it's true." i have a trevor noah channel on my pandora for comedy. >> there you go. >> this guy is hilarious. he's going to be fantastic. it's a brand new perspective on american politics. this is not going to be john oliver. this is going to be a really new take and great for election season. >> shira? >> i think it says a lot about the demographics of age.

trevor noah i read is only 31 years old. that's even younger than jon stewart was when he took over the show. so i think it said something about comedy central wanting to make sure the show has longevity longevity. as much as i like trevor noah i really wanted them to pick a woman for that top spot. i think it's longtime overdue we have a woman in late night permanent spot in that seat. >> well, let me show some of his standup and you'll see why maybe he was the choice. >> it's all about statistics. have you seen sports in america? americans will go back to the finest statistic. the last time a black man scored using his left hand jumping over a mixed race half indian was in 1967 when the -- they're look what? on the hip hop station, they sense a hip hop. why would you do that? you can't sense a hip hop. no it just makes hip hop seem uncertain. the guys come out and half of the words are missing. it's just like yeah yeah when

the -- won't you, eh can do for you. >> he's funny, krystal. >> he's very funny and that's what matters most. you know it's going to be exciting to see how he takes what "the daily show" is and gives his own spin and puts his own brand on it. it will be fun to watch. >> krystal, jason, shira, thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks rev. >> make sure you watch kr kbrrks s ystal on "the cycle" at 3:00 p.m. on mns. when we come back president obama honors ted kennedy and the spirit of bipartisanship. dulcolax tablets can cause cramps but not phillips. it has magnesium and works more naturally than stimulant laxatives. for gentle cramp free relief of occasional constipation that works! mmm mmm live the regular life. ♪ ♪ ♪

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>> he understood that differences of party or philosophy could not become barriers to cooperation or respect. he could howl an injustice on the senate floor like a force of nature. while nervous aides tried to figure out which chart to pull up next. i did not know ted as long as some of the speakers here today. but he was my friend. i owe him a lot. >> he was a friend. we all remember kennedy's 2008 endorsement for then-candidate obama. it was a huge moment in the race. and a key turning point for the democratic party. president obama would later carry out kennedy's political passion. universal health care. it's clear he took inspiration from kennedy. >> to his harshest critics who

saw him as nothing more than a partisan lightning rod, that may sound foolish, but there are republicans here today for a reason. they know who ted kennedy was. it's not because they shared ted's ideology or his positions, but because they knew ted as somebody who bridged the partisan divide over and over and over again with genuine effort and affection. in an era when bipartisanship has become so very rare. they knew him as somebody who kept his word. >> a man who kept his word. i've known various political figures over the years. some i liked. some i disliked. but few you learn to respect. i respected ted kennedy because he had the courage to deal with people he disagreed with.

it seemed the cause, the purpose was more important than the partisan bickering. ted kennedy is missed. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. big bill. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. well, you know it it would be a lot less fun on this planet if we didn't share it with william jefferson clinton. the man, besides being smart as hell besides being all things considered one lucky son of a gun, besides having done some great work for this country, one of a kind. one of the best shows in american history. people are downright fascinated by the guy. just talking about him seems to animate people. he's the best human-sized buzz i can think of. maybe not just human-sized