>> as arab leaders hammer out the details of joint military task force fighting is escalating in yemen. >> these are the victims of what appears to be the deadliest saudi-led air strikes so far. this was a camp in the yemen's north, those fleeing the violence which has gripped yemen for more thak athan a decade nnchts switzerland, there are new reports the negotiations have hit some major stumbling blocks. >> they have cheered in the past. what's to say they wouldn't in the future. >> like any agreement, it can't be based on trust. one of the benefits of an agreement is that iran becomes a stabilizing force rather than a disruptive force. >> one gunshot wound. possible dramatic arrest. >> deadly incident at the headquarters of a national security agency. >> two men dressed in women's clothing and wearing women's

wigs attempted to drive into the nsa. one was killed one remains in critical condition. >> documented as being suicide. >> the co-pilot who they say purposely crashed the plane had been at one time treated for suicidal tendencies. >> there is so much more to find not just from the site but from the medical records and mental history of a troubled man who became a mass murderer. whose state? >> our state. >> does this law allow business toes deny services based on their religious beliefs? >> no it does not. >> what was once a political fight over a state law has now exploded into a battle between religious freedom and gay rights. >> do you think it should be legal in the state of indiana to discriminate against gays or lesbians? >> come on hoosiers don't believe in discrimination. >> it is a mess in indiana. willie, the ncaa. >> now it's getting -- >> what's going to go on?

a little basketball tournament coming up there. >> yeah. >> and now you look at the front page of the indianapolis star like stop it now, end it now, whatever. and then something else -- we've got to mark something off our list. you know what? we've got to mark something off our list that we've done in the past. >> what's that? >> should i admit this to everybody? >> sure. >> a lot of times willie and i will get us a little cocaine. >> is this after your vacation? >> wow. >> get in the car. we'll put on some wigs. >> oh. >> we'll carry a gun and we'll joyride around. and then we'll look for the most dangerous part to drive our car into. >> it ended terribly. >> not the white house. >> not the white house no no. because as we found out, if you're going into the white house you can carry the hadn't gun and the coke in your hand and go hey, anybody here? but it's nsa, you do that they will shoot you. >> they pulled right in. the accounts we're getting, i'm

sure mika will get into it more they had no idea where they pulled in at the time. and paid for it one of them anyway with their life. details that led up to it are -- >> terrible sad. >> -- stun sglgs they'rening. >> they're speeding through one security block through another security block. maybe the white house could learn. >> right. mika the white house could go watch. >> hold on. >> yeah. >> i just marked it off our list. >> are we done? >> all right. >> we're still going otb tonight, better our retirement money. i cashed in my iras and seps and my retirement. >> it pays. >> it does. >> in the long run. >> in the long run, it does. you look. i've done the research. >> yeah. >> we've done the research mika. >> you have. >> give it to us if you want to invest. we go to otb. >> i need to take more than one day off. >> it's a classic joint. we got a lot of news. >> we do. it's good to see you both.

all of you, nicolle wallace is here. mike barnicle, everybody is at the table. david ignatius joins us from washington, as well. perfect. >> david, we can also invest your money. >> oh, lord. >> oh, great, thanks. >> yes, sir. >> we begin this morning overseas because it is deadline day in the negotiations over iran's nuclear program. there are now less than 13 hours left for diplomats from the u.s. and five other nations to reach an agreement with iran. a long day of talks is expected with secretary of state john kerry warning, quote, there are tricky issues to be resolved. it comes as they find 59% of americans support a possible deal that would end -- ease sanctions on iran in exchange for limits on nuclear program. but the same number also say they're not confident an agreement would prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. and a pew research center poll find 63% of americans do not

believe they're serious about addressing concerns about their nuclear program. more than 60% of americans also say that congress and not president obama should have the final say on any potential agreement. >> so david ignatius let me go to you for a second here. we're going to get to andrea in one second but before we do that i asked around the table who disagreed with me because we want to play this new game on "morning joe" and that is why am i wrong? >> that's a new game? >> that's a new game. no, i say something and it actually puts the burden on people to say why i'm wrong. so they don't go everybody just agrees with joe. >> who says that? >> why am i wrong? i think, david ignatius, that the president and john kerry, like a lot of presidents and secretaries of states in their final two years, are too desperate for a deal. why am i wrong? >> you're wrong in part because they've got to get this deal past france which is a negotiating partner which is prepared to be really a nuisance, is working with the

saudis working the israels, really going to make a big stink. we have an unreliable ally. that's one reason why you're wrong. >> let me ask you one other question. i think the president should have the saudis egypt, jordan and the other sunni countries sign off on this before he enters into a deal with iran. why am i wrong? >> i don't think you're wrong. i think that the biggest danger of this deal joe, is that it will set off an arms race by egypt, turkey saudi arabia each of which will want to get the exact same deal iran has. you think it's dangerous now, just wait. i think you're right. >> oh, my gosh. david ignatius you won't succeeded one out of two times. 50%. mike? >> you're also wrong because one of the potentially good -- toughest dates in issue here is when the united states senate returns on april 14th. they will inject themselves into these negotiations if they're

still continuing on somewhat of a basis and they will really screw it up. >> yeah. we'll talk a lot more about this. but let's go to switzerland right now. >> and get the latest at the very most we can learn about what's going on. joining us now from lausanne switzer land andrea mitchell. this is rapidly changing situation on the ground there. what's the latest that you can tell us andrea? >> well, the latest is that they are going to wrap up today and they're going to wrap up with less than they expected and they will try to gloss over it. so joe is right, david ignatius is right. they are coming out of this with a deal that will alarm the sunni states, alarm saudi arabia. it's not yet there and it will set off a fire storm in the senate because it will not have the kind of closure on the toughest issues that john kerry can then say look i got this and this and we're just going to do the technical details between now and june and then we can all talk about it and so wait until june until you jump into it.

well, they're ready to jump all of them with varying levels of senate intrusion leading up to complete senate verification of something that is not a treaty but, in fact, what they're about to come out with here according to people here close to the negotiations is a statement, a statement of principles but no closure on when the sanctions would be lifted. iran wants them lifted up front, before anything else happens. the u.s. and most of the allies want them to be phased out. the russian foreign minister who left yesterday said today at a news conference in moscow he's heading back. but there are two options here. the sanctions could be lift -- canceled in june when there is a final agreement or they could be suspended. and that would still give them leverage to take action against iran and impose the affect of the sanctions very quickly if in fact, iran were to cheat. but there's a lot more to be negotiated. and bottom line is they're not coming out with -- with agreements on the key issues of

limiting iran's research and development and when the sanctions would be lifted. >> andrea, it's willie. obviously lifting of the sanctions could be viewed as a win for iran. what does john kerry come home to the united states talking to the american people to the united states senate as well, as victories for the united states? how did he win in this negotiation if he's going to spin it that way? >> i'm not sure frankly. he will win by saying we have not lifted the sanctions yet. we still have leverage. iran did not get immediate sanctions relief. they will win by saying they started out with 10,000 sent friday funlgry funlg s centrifuges. we got them down to 6,000 or less. they will not export enriched uranium out to russia which would get rid of the fuel get it off of iranian soil out of iranian control pop to make up for that the united states is demanding a different mix of centrifuges, fewer number. another thing they can point to

as a win is that iran agreed to reengineer the plutonium facility which would have been another path to a nuclear bomb. enriched rur eded uranium is one, plutonium is another. >> david, this is nicolle. i think it's fascinating 60% of the american public wants congress to weigh in. congress is a body they hold in low esteem. does this suggest they don't trust the white house completely on this issue? >> it does. giving up partisan that's not surprising. i think we're going to see a very acrimonious debate once kerry brings back what he's got. if you're really ready for the war in the middle east reject what i've negotiated. >> isn't that a false choice though if you don't buy on to a deal that doesn't do anything to stop them from developing a nuclear bomb you're for war? that's a false choice to me.

>> it certainly will be the response to kerry and the president. i think the reason that it's a dangerous choice is because it leaves this question of proliferation across the region unaddressed. you know, the saudis have already said said as recently as this week we will get started immediately on a nuclear program. but i think that's the argument they'll make to congress, do you want to own the war that may be coming in the middle east if we can't make diplomacy work? >> that is a false choice. it's been a false choice from the very beginning. i don't want a war but i do want a negotiated settlement that's tough. right now you're seeing them backing off of one issue after another issue after another issue. now they're going to quote, suspend the sanctions? we had this deadline for a reason. the deadline is going to pass. the iranians can't be nailed down on a single thing. they're moving away from every tough decision that they make. and -- and if you could find over the past 20 years a worse

time for the united states to strike a deal with iran that will bring more chaos to the middle east than right now, you couldn't find it. >> the deal would set off -- this deal -- the alternative would be to leave the sanctions in place. >> no actually -- >> will remain in place. >> the sanctions come off. >> the alternative is negotiate a tougher deal. >> a better deal. >> one because, listen we all want to see iran's nuclear program sort of brought to heel. when i say we the united states and israel i'm talking about saudi arabia i'm talking about egypt, i'm talking about jordan. i'm talking about the middle east as well. i mean this is not a black or white. it's not just john kerry's deal and barack obama's deal a war, or john kerry's and barack obama's deal or nothing. how about a good tough, negotiated deal. sometimes the best thing to do is walk away from the table, and guess what, they come back

because here mike barnicle is irony. we don't need this deal. iran does. but if you look at how the negotiations are playing out right now, it seems like we're the ones desseparate for the deal when it's iran who really needs it for so many reasons. >> well, i would submit the world needs this deal. not just iran not just the united states. and i would say that principally because in my memory i can't recall a negotiation as serious as this one is taking place when an entire region of the world, david ignatius is at war. an entire region of the world. so talk about the degree of difficulty in this negotiation between six nations and iran while surrounded by a threatening to erupt even larger. >> the idea, you say, mike that there's a nuclear fuse in the middle of this part of the world that's ablaze makes it seem especially dangerous. the only caution i make is that

a lot of the fighting that's going on now is sunni states trying to push back against an iran they think is too aggressive, too expansionist. that's actually something that may be in the long run interest of stability, if you shore up the sunnis so that they're as strong as the iranians maybe down the road you can get some kind of agreement to wind down the fighting. the way it was a month ago that would have been possible. the sunnis were just on the run. so i don't think per se the new fighting in yemen should be seen as a deal breaker. >> david one final thing and then we have to go to break. could the argument be made or we can do it this way. why am i wrong? when you have -- when you have shiite militias racing across baghdad and racing across iraq and you have the united states of america striking a deal with iran m and lifting iran up above all other states it seems in

the middle east does it not seem that we are playing into isis' hands, allowing them to stir the greatest fears among sunnis not only in iraq but also across the middle east? >> it would have and did a week ago. but a week ago we did something interesting in iraq is that we refused to provide air strike support for the shia militias who are instruments of iran who were trying to take tikrit big sunni city north of baghdad. we said we're not going to play that unless you evolve control away from iran-backed element of the government of iraq. we sat on our hands for a few days. the control passed from the iranians to others. so that's a good thing. a lot more still to get to here on "morning joe." we're going to go live to indiana where lawmakers are scrambling to fix that controversial religious freedom law. plus from suicidal thoughts to

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all right. 19 past the hour. to indiana where the fallout continues over a new religious freedom law that critics say allows businesses to discriminate against gays and lesbians. the indiana house speaker said monday the legislature would act as soon as this week to quote, clarify the law making it clear

that it doesn't allow discrimination against gays but that has done little to eye it the uproar. the cover of this morning's" indianapolis star," fix this now. nine indiana ceos signed a letter that was delivered to indian in governor mike pence calling for the bill to be revised. the indianapolis-based ncaa which plans to hold the final four there next weekend is now also stepping up the rhetoric. ncaa president mark emmert told espn he is waiting for clarification from the state legislature and then then quote, make judgments about whether or not we change the environment for us doing our work and for us holding events. the law has its defenders including the man at the center of the controversy, governor pence, who writes in the "wall street journal" in an op-ed, quote, i want to make sure to hoosiers and to every american that despite what critics and many in the national media have asserted, the law is not a license to discriminate. either in indiana or elsewhere.

in fact, the religious freedom restoration act reflects federal law as well as law in 30 states nationwide. dind anan's legislation is about affording citizens full protection under indiana law. >> so this is what i don't understand. and we're going to go to gabe gutierrez in a second. i don't understand. i brought this up yesterday and there are people on twitter that disagreed with me. these are not my words. i'm not -- i literally haven't looked into it as much as i would like to. but there's such a huge fire storm. what i don't understand is so this is from the "washington post." it's not from the national review it's not from the catholic advocate if there is a magazine called "the catholic advocate." 40% of u.s. states has something similar to indiana. that's "the washington post." so don't tweet me today. i'm just reading the "washington post" post". that's what they say. the associated press, again, not a right wing out let, says 20

states now have similar laws in place and arkansas is poised to follow suit. that's the associated press. i guess i'm just wondering why -- because everywhere i've gone i've heard, oh, there are haters in indian narks endaindiana. again, i don't understand why just indiana. shouldn't these 20 states be targeted and shouldn't everybody there call and bill clinton and barack obama, shouldn't they be called haters? >> yeah you gave away the clue but i was going to play who said this. this is bill clinton in the bill signing in 1993 for a federal -- the federal version of this. he said our founders cared a lot about religion one of the reasons they worked so hard to get the first amendment into the bill of rights is that they understood what could happen to this country. our how religion and government could be pervert fed there is not space committed. level of proof before it interferes with someone's free exercise of religion. >> i get that but that was 1992. >> times have changed but this is not a law. and i'm not a lawyer.

most of what i understand about the law i learned from watching meghan kelly. but this is not a law that prevents discrimination against -- this is not a discrimination law. this is a law -- i mean that's what advocates for equality want, then they should fight for that in every state. that's not what this law is. >> i am a lawyer. i learned from you know my legal fills so lofy follows a learned hand. joseph wapner and judge judy. i can tell you that in 20 states today, i miss judge wapner. >> i love judge wapner. >> he's still alive. 95, lives in l.a. in 20 states in 2015 have these laws in place. willie. again, i'm not saying that makes it right. >> right. >> no. >> no one is saying that. >> i'm just saying everybody is freaked out and people that don't even know the law is coming up to me saying why are they such haters in indiana?

well, go after bill clinton. >> no. >> and all 20 states. >> don't go after a 1291992 comment. >> and in 2015 all these other states. yes, if this is bigoted there are 20 states that are bigoted. let's get this story right. >> they should put all 20 states on their list. tweet all states equally. >> i guess that's what i'm saying. >> espn should, the ncaa should. focus on all 20 states. >> first of all, i don't know, maybe someone here does know the differences between the laws in 20 states and the law passed in indiana. >> and the rhetoric. >> i don't know anything about that. what i wonder about is when did religious persecution become so threatening in indiana that they felt compelled to pass this law? what happened? >> maybe they looked at 19 states and said we should protect people the way the other 19 states are. my only point is i don't support the law but there are not an anomaly. if was want to have an effort against indiana, add 19 states

to your campaign and treat all states equally. boycott indiana, our governor of connecticut should call for a 20-state boycott. >> if you're dannel malloy and he's coming on the show and you're calling for a ban on state funded travel to the state of indiana you should probably check your own law in your state. >> connecticut has the law. >> they have the law. >> you're going to find out what the difference is. >> yeah. >> if you're scrambling right now. >> if you're wilco, a band we love cancel your show in indianapolis, check the law in florida where you have three or four shows coming up. if you believe it's discriminatory -- >> this is up with of things where people grab hold of something and jump in before they see -- >> or maybe the law needs to be changed in 20 states. >> that's the choice. >> that's fine. >> okay. >> you guys have made it really clear, it does not take away the problem. >> that's what we're saying. it's everywhere.

>> we're not deflecting, we're focusing. >> we're just saying if you're going to pick on indiana, pick on the other 20 states including my home state of connecticut that have essentially the same laws. >> and let's look at end gi anna as an example. willie? >> let's go to gabe gutierrez of nbc news. he's been all over this story. he joins us from indianapolis. gabe, what's the latest there? >> reporter: joe, good morning. first, let's talk about your point point. if you're asking why indiana is getting so much attention. several reasons. first, the opponents will say since there is no statewide nondiscrimination law that protects sexual orientation in indiana this law is problematic. the second thing is that the same-sex marriage ban in indianapolis was overturned last year and some of the pro poen noents that were trying to keep that ban in place were behind passing this law. so that is two reasons why indiana is starting to get -- is getting all this attention. the supporters of the bill will say it's just national media

focusing on this and that we really shouldn't be doing that to your point. now, moving to last night, the fallout from this is growing. there were protesters outside the city council meeting, city council members passed a resolution reporting this law and among those in attendance sounding off inedcluded form irer olympic diver, greg lieuouganis. >> i felt very embraced by indianapolis. i don't think it's reflective of indianapolis but you know at the same time, you know to have such legislation is you know is discriminatory and hateful. >> it makes me embarrassed to be in indiana, to be an adopted hoosier hoosier. i'm embarrassed, i'm ashamed. i'm really angry. it's not just a push become from the lbgt community. it's a concern for women. it's a concern for people of

color, that this really creates the possibility of discrimination against anyone. >> reporter: now, as you have been pointing out, there was an op-ed in the "wall street journal" published overnight by governor mike pence saying that it does not mention sexual orientation at all and, as you mentioned, it mirrors that federal legislation signed by president bill clinton in 1993. now, the house speaker told me the republican house speaker told me yesterday that lawmakers are trying to clarify the intent of this bill. they're working on this language over the next few days and hope to pass something, whether it be an amendment or not quite sure what form it will take but hoping to clarify this law by the end of the week. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez, thank you very much. maybe they will clarify. >> i hope so. >> yeah. >> i hope because i love wilco. you love wilco? >> yeah. >> i went to see wilco in new york state. i hope wilco will ban -- >> you guys like the ncaa. >> -- performances from the the

other 20 states as well. >> unanimous opposition to this law here and in the media. there's not unanimous belief that there's no space for religious liberty in the country. >> on both sides. >> i think this is a legitimate conversation and i think -- >> it's fascinating. >> quick to judge. >> it's fascinating. >> i just want everybody to know. i support religious liberty and religious freedom. i'm going to go. willie? >> as we mentioned -- >> one distinction here i guess that all the other state laws, except for south carolina exclude for-profit businesses from protection and this includes for-profit businesses. i think that's a major distinction. >> as we mentioned, we'll talk to connecticut governor dannel malloy about his position to ban state sponsored travel to indiana. on tomorrow's show -- >> this is exciting. >> senator elizabeth warren joins the conversation. a lot to talk about with her. very exciting. >> yeah. >> still ahead this morning, from jailer to jailed.

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these are good mike. i like them. joining us now onset, politico's chief white house correspondent mike allen and in washington pulitzer prize winning columnist and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. mike, this morning you have a look at the real republican primaries. we'll get to this in a second but the dreeded who do you want to have a beer with primary. i can't wait to hear about that. but what are all of these

primaries? >> yeah. >> you start with the laura ingraham primary. >> what? >> and who is not winning it is jeb bush. great piece by plit colby matt lat her, speech writer for president bush. look at the primaries going under way right now. laura ingraham on her radio show, she hates jeb. i was on with her -- >> she always hates everybody. >> your other former boss. >> make a list. she always hates the republicans more than the democrats at this point, too, which is what i find alarming. >> cuddly ted cruz. >> yeah. >> i will say though you go back to 2008 though it wasn't just laura ingraham it was also hannity, it was rush. quite frankly, me and a lot of people cheering against your boss at the time john mccain and then it went to 2012 and it was the same group worried about mitt romney, including myself. >> will we ever wonder what effect that has on the outcome, both guys lost? do we think it's good to cheer down our own side? i just wish we spent as much

time cheering against the democrats. >> except right now you have, like you had in 2008 and like you had in 2012 and like you have in 1996 you have the establishment throwing all of this money at jeb, 31% approval and 46% disapproval and a lot of us that say, okay it's -- what is it? it's march. the snow is still on the ground where i live. should we really already throw it over to who the establishment might say we throw it over to? >> of course not. trust the primary voters to figure it out before we start attacks our own? >> do the primary voters have the say? jeb is going to have all the money. establishments rushed to him already just like they rushed to doyle and mccain. >> in 2000 if primary voters in new hampshire have a say. >> okay. >> i have one more joe. this is a quiz. one of matt's primaries is the washington reporter's favorite, who is the reporter's favorite joe needs to get this in the

republican field? >> scott walker. >> the favorite -- favorite -- >> lindsey graham of course. >> we want to race right? >> got it. i see what you mean by 50 favorite. favorite to cover. >> he's also got the -- >> favorite hot mess. >> the drudge primary in there and the person who is really -- >> who is ahead of the drudge primary? >> the person really winning the drudge primary is a democrat martin o'malley. oh, my gosh, the young, youthful photos of him as a musician. on the republican side scott walker gets a lot of drudge love although rubio gets it this week. >> the memoir primary i love too. >> everybody has bad sales of their memoir except for. >> ben carson man. >> yeah. >> wait. >> the doctor. >> who do you want to have a beer with primary? >> who the going to win that? >> who would you have a beer with in that field? >> chris christie. >> that would be fun. >> yeah. >> chris christie for a second, i wrote something in politico a

month ago saying don't count him out yet. maybe it's time to count him out but we have a new hampshire poll out this morning, has chris christie who has had nothing but horrible news for three years. they have killed him. he's been put through a meat grinder. he's been kicked around. he's been left for dead. he's done nothing. he's not going out campaigning. he's at 10% friends, while jeb, scott walker rand paul everybody else is running around full time. chris christie i'm telling yourks syou, as i said a couple weeks ago, if he goes to the first town hall meeting and he lights it up and love him, the press is immediately going to be like this and suddenly it's like chris christie's returned. >> the substance of his message, reflexive responses to the debates on -- i know you're going to have elizabeth warren on tomorrow -- income inequality is so superior. he comes right back and stays on

offense on economic influence and economic inequality. i like what he has to say. >> i'm not sure. >> it sounds like we have a potential winner of the "morning joe" primary. >> ho is that? >> chris christie. >> right? >> you know i like scott walker. >> i like all the money people like sheep have jumped off the cliff and said jeb, take my money. i like jeb a lot. i voted for him twice. i raised a lot of money for him. i like jeb a lot. he was a great conservative governor. i like jeb a lot. but it's march of 2015. and these sheep that have money, the republican primaries, that are just so desperate me me me baa, jeb, i was there first. >> wow. >> they are sheep. they did it with dull -- >> round them up literally jeb -- >> you know why? because sheep, they're not hard to round up. >> yeah. >> when you want money from them, i hope they don't remember that you called them sheep. >> hey, right here.

>> save the state. >> you're sheep. you're sheep. you're throwing all of your money at a guy that has a 31% approval rating and a 46% disapproval rating. you're sheep. why don't you wait and see how it goes. >> a guy with a conservative record of governing in florida. he's a guy with a message that sells nationally. oh, yes. >> baa, baa. >> livestock you are. >> laura ingraham thinks i'm a sheep. >> are they sending memos out? >> no. i'm not in anyone's mom no. i can't find anybody. i think they think i'm spam or something. i don't even get your erk mail-mails anymore. sign me up, i will be a sheep for that. i will wear a sheep costume for the next year and a half if we have a nominee that supports comprehensive reform. >> i'm going to find her a fabulous sheep. >> i'm always hot. i couldn't wear it. i'm always sweating. >> i know what you're saying. >> it happens. >> it's age. all right. >> all the time.

i've got to say this because we've got to go. >> no, i'm going to baa at you. >> you've already done your jeb thing. >> why are you so mad? >> i'm not mad. you know i like jeb. >> come on. >> you know i voted for him twice. no listen. >> tell the sheep. >> i don't want to lose again. and republicans lose -- >> that's. different than liking jeb. >> republicans lose when they watch at the beginning of every process. i know you don't want me to talk because you know i'm right. when they rush at the beginning of every process. we throw all of our money at one candidate because we think that's the candidate that's going to win. it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and we don't let the process play itself out. there's a youring out. suddenly you sit there and you're like in september you go, how -- how did bob doyle win the nomination? how did john mccain win the nomination? >> mitt romney? >> how did mitt romney win the nomination?

oh, wait it was won two years ago when everybody dumped all of their money there before letting the free market play itself out. >> romney was brutalized in the primary. i think he was put through the wringer. >> here's the deal. >> mitt romney was bullied. >> he had all the money. >> he had no money. i worked for him. we didn't get paid. >> come on. you know what if romney didn't have enough money to destroy newt gingrich before iowa and didn't have enough money to destroy newt gingrich before south carolina, before florida, he would have been out but he had the money and the money always sustains them through crappy starts. it turns to the midwest and the northeast and then suddenly you just start signing checks, start signing checks. all of these people that have a good start all fade away. if that's your republican party, party -- the democrats are already into hillary. >> i think we're the same side. okay.

i know they're screaming at us. we have to decide sheep. mike allen, thank you very much. appreciate that. >> i like everybody. gene sorry. >> i just like a competitive primary. gene, we will get to your column next. you talk to much for us to get into it. look who is going to be with us too. >> oh, my god, i'm already nervous because whenever his name shows up oh just -- >> four-star admiral james stavridis joins us next. also, two very big know your value, this is exciting. we're like two weeks away. >> hoda. >> there's still time to be part of it. >> the sheep is coming. >> you're going to be washington. >> in costume. >> elizabeth warren brooke shields. >> andre is going to be there. >> andre is going to be hysterical. this is april 10th in philadelphia. the audience is a major part of the action. joe, donny will be there.

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now, 46 past the hour former supreme allied commander, retired admiral dave stavridis, dean at tufts university. let's talk about what's at stake at these iran talks and if they fell through? >> i think first and foremost we would miss an opportunity of at least put on the table a potential agreement. that's not to say we ought to take a bad agreement and i think unfortunately at the moment what seems to be shaping up is we're going to be asked to buy a car

without the engine and without the wheels. and then sort of see what happens in the technical agreement withes. we often say the devil is in the details. i think unfortunately the nuclear weapon is in the details. so i'm increasingly skeptical as i see this process come to end game. >> gene what about you? >> well, you know to me it seems that this is not a bad outcome if indeed what we get today is some sort of vague statement essentially and we're going to continue to work on the details. as long as they continue talking, remember iran's nuclear program right now is basically locked down. and we know more about it. the sanctions are still in place. so that's not a bad thing if they keep talking. i wouldn't mind if this negotiation continued and continued and continued as long as iran is further away from a nuclear weapon now than a year ago. >> admiral, as it's been said here on the set some feel like the united states appears to be

desperate for a deal. is that what you are seeing? >> i don't think desperate but we certainly are, i think, emotionally over invested in it at this point. i think we need to remember the dark side of this equation if iran approaches a nuclear weapon but there is no doubt the saudis are going to go probably the turks, maybe the egyptians and with the sunni/shia conflict in the near mid east very very concerning. so i think we need to approach this with a lot of healthy skepticism. as gene says, let's see what the deal is before we turn it down. >> david ignatius? >> admiral stavridis, if the deal did breakdown this week and if that does seem possible, not enough there, what happens next? do you think we then move to think about serious military planning for contingencies? how would you see the next six month or year playing out if we don't get a deal? >> i think first of all we need to reassure our allies in the region who are a little rattled

right now, starting with the israels but of course the gulf states and egypt. secondly, david, i think we start to look and you know this very well, we look at nontraditional means for derailing the program, so cyber, special forces unmanned vehicles. i think we're looking at planning. and that planning frankly, is going on right now. so we explore military options. but above all we keep the sanctions on and keep the pressure on the economy. those are the three things i would recommend if the deal breaks down. >> gene in the coverage of these negotiations over the many months that they've been going on including right up until today has it struck you as odd that we have not covered the positions and yatnegotiating positions in the germans and the french? i don't know where we are in these negotiations. >> we haven't really covered them enough i think. for example, the french are very tough in many ways tougher, their position is tougher than the american position.

and they could be you know the monkey wrench as far as the obama administration is concerned in actually reaching an agreement. the russians and the chinese, if you think they're going to go for tougher sanctions if this breaks down i think you're nuts. i don't think they're going to do that. and, no you're right, we ought to -- this is not just a negotiations between the united states and iran. there are five other countries involved. >> are those five countries though, david ignatius equal? let's just be honest. >> no. >> who matters here when we're sitting down at the table? >> who really matters overwhelmingly is the united states and the iranians understand there's a bilateral element to this. others who matter a lot, the russians could be deal breakers they could be deal garr ranaunors. >> retired admiral dave

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>> what i do know is that jon was involved in the selection process. he's a very smart guy, knows funny when he sees it. i like to wait and see what this guy has got. welcome back to "morning joe." we have some sheep with us nicolle. >> just one sheep. >> steve schmidt's here. eugene robinson and david ignatius is still with us. you're not a sheep. you're a republican strategist. >> earlier there was republican on republican violence. >> yes there was. >> i saw it. it was disturbing joe. >> you may have to sort it out. >> it was upsetting. >> i need to go to therapy now. >> all right. we have a lot to get to and we'll talk politics in a moment. great table for that. but first, it is deadline day in the negotiations over iran's nuclear program. there are now less than 11 hours left for diplomats from the u.s. and five other nations to reach an agreement with iran. and secretary of state john kerry is warning there are still, quote, tricky issues to be resolved. nbc's chief foreign affairs

correspondent andrea mitchell as the latest. >> reporter: the skies of the are as. in a luxurious 19th century palace. legend says once inhabit i'd by lord byron and coco chanel. the challenge, to stop iran from converting nuclear technology into a nuclear weapon. and if iran cheats to give the world at least a year's warning before iran could build a bomb. one idea have iran send its atomic fuel out of the country. but now at the last minute iran has firmly ruled that out. the new secretary of defense ashton carter in his first tv interview was asked by savannah guthrie if iran can be trusted. >> they've cheated in the past. what's to say they won't in the future? >> luke any agreement, it can't be based on trust. it needs to be based on verification. >> reporter: john kerry still thinks a deal is possible. >> working very hard. >> working hard for days, sir. how much longer do you think?

>> obviously it has a deadline tomorrow night. >> reporter: but he knows time is running out. >> and with time running out to reach an agreement new polls show a majority of americans are skeptical about the results of a nuclear deal with iran. a "washington post"/abc news poll finds 59d% of americans support a possible deal that would ease sanctions on iran in exchange for limits on its nuclear program. but the same number also say they are not confident that an agreement would prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. and a pew research center poll finds 63% of americans do not believe iran's leaders are serious about addressing concerns about nuclear program. more than 60% of americans also say that congress and not president obama should have the final say on any potential agreement. >> so gene robinson, let's dig through these poll from your newspaper, "the washington post." it appears that 60% of americans, six in ten americans want a deal done. >> and about the same amount

six in ten americans don't think it's going to have any impact. sort through that for us. >> saying that most americans believe it's worth taking the chance, worth making the deal to see if we can make it work to keep iran from getting a nuclear bomb and they're not sure that that can happen but they seem to believe it's better than the alternative which is not a deal and then where do you go from there? obviously there's no support for military action right now, tougher sanctions, we'll see. but i think that people are saying, we're not sure but let's give it a shot. >> mika what do you think? >> well, look i think that there's been a lot of dynamics set up in the run-up to the talks and even during these talks that is united states is desperate, obama is putting himself out there, and quite frankly, i think that's a dynamic set up here at home by the republicans and that we need to let these talks draw out to the bitter end and hopefully they come to something and that's better than the other option. >> would you agree?

>> i would like to see them walk away from iran. >> like to see them walk away. >> i would like to see them walk away and do what reagan did. >> what if the deal is good? >> well, let's look at all the details. it doesn't sound like the deal is good. sounds like they're walk ag way from tough decisions. i want a deal but it needs to be transparent and something that has signed on from the sunni states, the arabs. we have a president and we have a commander in chief that is basically said to hell with all of our arab allies across the middle east. and the same with congress. i would feel a lot more comfortable about a deal that egypt signed off on. >> i thought you said the united states was most important person -- the most important facet here? >> we are. and i don't want our sons and daughters to have to go off and die in another massive middle east war that threatens international stability. so i think it would be much better to get signoff on egypt who right now are one of the most players in stability in the

middle east. saudi arabia whose existence may be threatened by this. and steve schmidt, we could go across the line. what do you think though? do we need a deal with iran? is it important for the united states to get this deal? >> look, since the early 1980s american policy has been in search of the elusive iranian moderate and they don't exist. part of this deal is it's setting off a nuclear arms race in the middle east between sunni and shia states. the saudis who funded the pakistani program are certainly now speculating about, well, maybe we will need to have nuclear weapon maybe they will need to be a sunni bomb. and this deal or the allusions of a deal endanger the peace and security of the world in a profound way. it's very disturbing the politicization of the deal and administration whose foreign policy resulted in a world in chaos now in desperate search for an accomplishment at this

arbitrary deadline badly i in search of an accomplishment. it's a scary time. >> it is a very scary time. willie, we don't know what's going to be in the deal and right now there's not going to be a deal a general agreement. >> that's what strikes me about that 60% number of americans who say they support a deal. americans don't know what's in the deal. what kind of deal are you supporting? i think you support the idea of a deal. the other thing, david ignatius that strikes me is the incredible backdrop with us fighting alongside in many ways along iran in iraq and proxy war against iran in yemen. it's just a remarkable time in the mid m east and we're trying to make a deal in the middle of all that. >> it's -- it's obviously a difficult time. i think we need to wait. we won't wait long. we'll wait another 12 hours or so to see what secretary kerry manages to negotiate and whether that agreement will leave the united states safer in terms of our interests for a period of

let's say a decade. right now based on what we're hearing the language is going to be so fuzzy that whatever we all think of it and, i like joe, like others would be disappointed with fuzzy language. congress is going to eat it up. congress is just going to throw a fuzzy, ill-written agreement right back in obama's face. so i think that's a certainty to all of us but also secretary kerry, i suspect. but let's wait. let's look at the terms and see how it will be verified and enforced. >> 62% of americans want congress to sign off on this deal. so i think that's not a good sign for the white house when 62% of the american people want congress to check their work on iran. >> unless they've got it. right now it's a dead heat among the top republican contenders in new hampshire but the rest of the field isn't far behind. jeb bush and scott walker tied at 15% each among likely gop primary voters. rand paul and chris kristi

cracked double digits with mike huckabee and ted cruz. marco rubio trails them but the florida republican said yesterday he will announce his future plans on april 13th. still, it's a blowout among new hampshire republicans when it comes to who they think will win the nomination. jeb bush is up by three to one margin. when vote irs were asked to predict the outcome and when it comes to popularity another bush is enjoying big numbers in the state. 77% of republicans have a favorable view of jeb's brother, former president george w. bush. >> he have used that in january of 2008. . or was it -- 2000. january 2000. >> yeah. >> in the snows of new hampshire. that's interesting. so you see the numbers, steve schmidt. >> yeah. >> what do you think? >> look i think structurally you look at the numbers. if you have the most famous name in the republican party and you're at 15% at this point in the election cycle, that's not a sign of strength t no matter where it is in the hierarchy of

the number. it's a sign of weakness. i think jeb bush has a very tough road ahead no matter how much money he has to raise. chris christie talented politician. you see him there at 10%. one of the prerequisites of becoming the nominee of the republican party is showing resiliency, being able to hang in there, being tough, being able to come up -- i think that if you're chris christie you look at those numbers. a couple points off the lead in the race after a very very tough year. sure, i mean -- >> year or three. >> yeah. exactly. >> at the end of the day john mccain in the summer of 2007 was dead broke, in last place, in the middle seat on a southwest flight flying to new hampshire, waiting to be greeted by the national press corp. who was there like vultures waiting for him to drop out of the race. couple months later he was the nominee. >> look at the numbers. david ignatius if you look at

these names, i'm curious, as far as foreign policy goes who are you impressed with? we've had two commanders in chiefs that have been challenged by foreign events. of those, who do you see that impresses you? >> none of this above above are really bell ringers. none of them have made their mark as foreign policy experts. you know jeb bush is an establishment. you figure he kind of takes implicitly sent lyly centrist republican views. i'm like you, joe, i city think chris christie is somebody you can't count out. what he thinks about foreign issues i'm waiting to hear. >> i am too. >> nicolle, marco rubio, is he going to get in the race? >> sounds like it. >> he announced it on fox. >> are you surprised? >> no. you know, i know he watches this program and i know he sees this race as we do. it's still pretty unformed.

i want to go back to jeb bush though. i think that you know -- >> is this a defensive jeb bush? >> no i'm just -- i think that in name as it is to talk about how meaningless these polls are it is also a name to start horse racing them now. these guys are all in it. it's a good thing for the republican party. i would be thrilled if marco jumped in too. i would be thrilled if ten more people jumped in. i think we have a bad history of beating up our front-runners. i hope we finally have a cycle -- i don't know who is more badly brutalized john mccain or mitt romney but we have a bad habit in our own party of brutalizing the guys that sit at the top. >> hey, john mccain lost in 2008. first of all because he was running against history. and secondly because on september 15th when the world was melting down his brain fell out of his left ear and rolled around on the ground for about 15 minutes. >> but he also carried the baggage of rush limbaugh and those guys talking about how unacceptable he was. mitt romney -- >> you guys were close to this campaign but i can tell you by

late summer you guys were drawing blood from the obama calm ina. september 15th couple along and john mccain was like what's my name? what's my name? >> look. >> there are two types of elections, right? there's change elections, there's more of the same elections. 2008 was a change election. 2016 it's going to be a change election. i don't see a mass of the american people basically saying, after eight years of this presidency four more years. things are going really well. >> you know what makes me nervous about this conversation? >> what's that? >> you guys have a field. you guys have a field, potential con tenders. >> you have martin o'malley. >> we do. i think he's really good. >> plays the bass. >> governor of maryland. >> plays the bass. >> he's great. >> he's a -- he could be a giant. >> feisty. he's wilting to go up against the clinton machine. that's good for him. >> we could use more of that.

>> no one should underestimate the power of the message when martin o'malley says first person running with the guts to say it that the presidency of the united states is not a crown to be passed between two families. the dynastic nature of the contest between bush and clinton, that message is not something to be underestimated in its power in iowa new hampshire, and other states. >> totally agree. >> i agree. i just wish hillary clinton would officially jump in and sound like a candidate and throw away all the barriers she's putting between herself and the press and i wish more people on the democratic side would jump in. willie? >> we'll talk to liz best warelizabeth warren about that tomorrow. the nsa came under an unusual attack yesterday when two armed men dressed as women rammed an suv into the spy agency's entrance gate at ft. meade. joining us now chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. what happened yesterday? >> willie you can only imagine

this case was about as bizarre as it gets. when the first reports rang out shots fired at the nsa everyone here thought it was a terrorist attack. fortunately that wasn't the case. but in the end, as you say, this was a joyride that went terribly wrong. >> reported gunshot wund. >> reporter: from the air the scene outside the nsa looked like a war zone. >> motor vehicular collision. >> reporter: heavily damaged vehicles strewn about just outside the national security agency. a body covered by a white sheet, evidence of a brutal and bizarre encounter. authorities say it all started when two men inexpoliceably dressed in women's clothes and wears women's wigs attempted to drive an suv through a security gate at the national security agency. when nsa police blocked the entrance the driver turned and, without warning, raised toward a police vehicle on the road. police officers opened fire killing one suspect instantly.

the second was critically wounded. one police officer suffered minor injuries. a search of the suspect's vehicle found a handgun and cocaine. the nsa is one of america's top intelligence agencies responsible for eavesdropping on potential enemies anywhere in the world outside the u.s. any possible threat is taken very seriously. it was quickly determined however, that this incident presented no additional threat to the nsa. and the agency was not put on security lockdown. the fbi reports that these two suspects had no ties to terrorists. in fact, had no plans to penetrate the nsa. it would be surprising if they even ever heard of the nsa. and, in fact federal authorities say that the two had partied hard in a nearby motel with a third man over night and then stole his suv for that joyride. and apparently just took a wrong turn at the wrong place, definitely at the wrong time.

>> wow. what a strange story. nbc's jim miklaszewski. thanks very much. >> it sounds awfully familiar. mika brzezinski in fact grew up around langley. they live right by back gate of the cia headquarters. there were one or two nights in high school was mika was racing and took the wrong turn. >> i went into the cia and let's say they let me know very quickly i had taken a wrong turn. >> the signs are not well lit at night. squinting at the -- >> yeah no. wow, that's incredible. they don't mess around. >> it's not easy to see. >> steve schmidt, thank you very much. >> thank you, steve. >> gene robinson we will be reading your new column in "washington post" and, david ignatius, thank you as well. still ahead on "morning joe," ann curry joins us live from switzerland, hours remain to reach a nuclear agreement agreement with iran. also ahead, tweeting mom's good-bye. how scott simon invited millions of strangers into one of his life's most private moments.

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i know you're live. >> no i was? >> wow. in jail. how many days in a row? >> i told mika for three years and 11 days i was watched you guys every morning, every single morning. >> it made those three years and 11 days seem even longer. >> it did not. >> it did not. that's where the joke ends. joining us now, former new york city police commissioner bernie kerik. kerik tells the story of his spectacular fall from new york city's top cop to federal prison inmate in the memoir" from jailer to jailed." what an incredible story. and i think the motivation to write this book is where we should start. you learned a lot. >> i learned a lot about a criminal justice system that i worked in for 35 years. >> right. >> i thought i knew. i ran rikers for six years. one of the biggest jail systems in the country. i had unparalleled success in turning it around. and then i went into a system

and i learned that we are putting young first-time non-violent drug offenders in preson for 10, 15 20 years for like five grams of cocaine. it's like two sugar packs in a done dunkin' donut shop. a kid who sails a whale's tooth on ebay goes to federal prison. there are thousands of these types of cases. i put people in prison, many people, for long periods of time that did really bad things. but we are putting way many too people in -- let me ask you before we open up the table, uncomfortable question. what you discovered is there are people who shouldn't be there. >> right. >> should you have been there to set the record straight here? >> on a personal note i made mistakes that i think, myself i personally think i could have been handled civilly or ethically. >> was there a political edge?

i'm going to ask you some leading questions now. >> really? >> i have been very clear and i've been very clear for years that i thought this was a political -- i thought this was the -- the prosecution was politically motivated, i thought the sentencing was politically motivated. three years later, am i wrong? we'll play that game. why am i wrong? >> you know what joe, i try not to even think about it but the reality is i believe if rudy hadn't announced he was running for president, i don't think -- >> that's what i was going the say. the timing lined up everybody was digging around while rudy was run for president and suddenly you're going the jail for three years over something that a lot of other people -- >> when you think of politics think of it this way. i was being prosecuted for tax and false statement charges at the same time tape moth think geithner was being confirmed for treasury who admitted he hadn't paid taxes in three or four

five years. whatever the number was. and there's a bumpl of other cases like that. listen, i'm not saying i didn't make mistakes. i'm just saying i think it could have been handled differently. >> mike? >> a lot of people when they see someone like you and see the sentence that you got and they see that you go to a minimum security prison they resent it, they're saying. well, he did this and he should do hard time. minimum security prison they have in their minds that it's -- you're going to the four seasons. talk about, if you will what happens when they shut that door no matter where you are in the system, you lose your freedom. >> you know what mike the deprivation of freedom is far more profound than any american citizen can imagine unless you are institutionalized. if you're already institutionalized then you may think a minimum security camp is a country club but you talk about luxury you talk about a country club go to the four seasons in new york city one of the most luxurious hotels here

lock yourself in the bathroom for a year and come out and tell me how luxurious it is. when you can't see your kids and you can't talk to your kids and you basically die with your eyes open and your whole world goes on without you in it and all you can do is watch, you tell me how luxurious it is. it's not. >> i remember after the -- president bush's successful re-election you were one of our chief surrogates in 2004 helping to make a case on a lot of national security issues. we were vetting you for a top cabinet post and some of the pieces started to crumble. what was it like for your family when you went from the highest highs to you describe in the book that made me cry, the last thing your kid said to you before you drove down to jail was, life is not all sunshines and rainbowsrainbows and you write, it broke my heart. >> you know what i'll tell you one quick story. and difficulty card -- white house chief of staff. >> i sent the president the

notice that i was withdrawing and andy card said to me listen, i'm telling you you have to be prepared for what it is about to happen. every cockroach that you've encompassed in your life is going to come after you personally and professionally and you have to be prepared for it. believe me when i tell you it happens. >> did rudy stay in touch with you in jail? >> no he didn't. the last time -- the last time i saw rudy giuliani was the last time i saw you. it was on september 11th, 2006. >> unbelievable. did he call you while you were in prison? >> no, no. he hasn't had any contact with me or my family. >> how -- i hate to ask the basic -- the obvious question but how does that make you feel? how has i'd made you feel? >> honestly joe, i get it. you know he's a -- you know he's in politics. you know that's his decision. if the case was reversed i

would have been there for him and his family. my disappointment, he is the godfather of my two youngest daughters and, you know i wish he would have called my wife called the kids, you know are you okay do you need anything you know but there was none of that. and then you take somebody like peter king who is the chairman for the homeland security committee, he came to see me in prison. >> i was going to ask you. what friends that you knew before stayed with you? >> peter king every three or four months he came to cumberland, maryland. dick rosso from the stock exchange came to see me. a lot of people. you know that were friends before. a lot of new friends. >> isn't that one of the best gifts, finding out who your friends are? >> it's painful. >> it's a painful gift. >> it's a painful gift. but it's -- it is what it is. >> there's so much in this book about life and about despair and about lessons that you can only

learn in the most ultimate way like this. so if you put aside any opinions you have any ideology you have you should read this. it's incredible. >> i think every american should learn about the criminal justice system because, as we sit here today, any one of you could become a target and you have no conception what that means. >> yeah. >> bernie kerik, thank you. the book is "from jailer to jailed." you can read an excerpt on our cite mojo@msnbc.com. coming up, deadline day for iranian nuclear talks in switzerland. ann curry joins us live with details. keep it right here on "morning joe."

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bristled and pulled away and later told reporters that it's not what a gentleman does in the north. don't tell that to barack obama. i mean the subtext was, teddy was running for president. >> bristled. >> i'm not seeing a bristle. >> this is not about this picture. this was about jackie o. brushback from jm my carter. >> i remember that day. i was there yesterday and it was quite a moving tribute to ted kennedy and the institute for the united states senate that they have built is amazing. it is amazing. with an exact replica of the senate floor. it is stunning. >> you had a lot of senate friends that were there that you ran into yesterday. >> trenton lott was terrific. john mccain was terrific. tom daschle was terrific. the vice president of the united states was very emotional. >> they all wanted something from you. >> yeah they wanted red sox tickets. >> okay. >> they didn't want anything from me. >> number one, red sox tickets. number two, punch me in the

face. joining us now from lausanne switzerland, ann curry, reporting for nbc news. and here onset, chairman and ceo of the holdings company miles nadal. let's start with ann. ann, does it look like any agreement will be reached? >> reporter: i think the chances are overwhelming that there will be an agreement that comes out of here likely today. although there is some doubt about what that agreement might say, especially given that despite all night negotiations in which the negotiators broke actually into teams, mika because it was such a critical night, as they saw it trying to meet the deadline for today, to tackle each one of the subjects that are still at issue. it looks like they have still not been able to resolve some key issues. those key issues seem to be from what we can xlaglean, what can happen to iran's research and development program between years 11 and 15 between now and

10, 10 years, largely seems to be resolved. also at issue is what will happen with u.n. sanctions. most of the other sanctions have been worked out. there has been from multiple sources, u.s. english, excuse me british sources, european union sources, and iranian sources, it's pretty clear that the sanctions relief plan that would be tied to actual activity by iran in other words, iran would have to say we did this and we completed this and then you get the sanctions reloof that seems to be worked out. the u.n. sanctions are the critical piece here because for the iranians to be able to go home and say that they got the limit nation elimination or the scaled back or postponement whatever word they decide to use of the u.n. sanctions would mean that they would be welcomed back, would no longer be an outlier in the international community. >> we understand certainly a couple hours ago that there was going to be an actual written agreement that one would sign

but just more of a general understanding of what the parties agree to. can you tell us about that and what that general agreement is going to look like? >> reporter: well, i think that's really right, joe. i mean there has been a lot of push back and for theth. there are two or three or four issues issues. critical issues. joe, you will understand that these issues this they've come down to are the most politically problematic for both sides. and so it's difficult for them to -- if they can't fully resolve them but also even to agree that they have resolved their debate about the nuclear -- iran's nuclear program and sanctions relief they don't necessarily want to say out loud what they've done. i mean neither side -- unless they can say the part that says look what brought home. and both sides are very concerned about the idea that they're going to be harshly criticized for what -- for potentially giving up too much and getting too little. >> i was going to ask you that

the next question, ann pv you've had remarkable access on both sides. who do you think is in for a more difficult homecoming the iranians or john kerry and barack obama? >> you know it's going to be hard to say. i think that i'd may be john kerry actually given that the conservatives in the united states are really poised. but it should also be said that the conservatives in iran are also poised. and if zarif, the foreign minister of iran does not come home with some kind of understand that u.n. sanctions have been relieved or -- and just remember there have been for iran crippling, as you know, as you've been reporting, crippling economic sanctions. and for him to be able to come home and say, look i've gotten a scale back on those, that will be important. however, some of the sanctions won't be relieved immediately. it will take a long time for some of these sanctions to be relieved. so people will not feel the

impact of an economic change for some time. so there's a kind of -- the ability to say that they've gotten some immediate relief will be important and some immediate. u.n. sanctions relief for the reasons i just described will also be very important. if zarif does not get that i expect and i think he expects to be hammered. >> okay. ann curry, thank you very much. >> miles nadal, what's the important of a deal? talk about sanction talk about life after sanctions? what's the impact on the markets? what's the impact not only on oil but also what americans are going to be paying at the gas pumps driving around the country? >> you played -- tell me why i'm wrong. >> yes. >> right. >> what i found quite interesting -- >> that's good game isn't it? >> great game. tell me why i'm wrong. so we empower an enemy that we don't trust. we give them the ability to have nuclear capability yet they are less probable to be an aggressor

to us militarily and stabilize the area going forward. how do you rationalize that? >> mike barnicle? >> you rationize it by casely telling yourself that talking is better than going to war, always, always. negotiating this always better than going to war. you get them at the table. you keep 24e78 at the table. they have a very young, very literate culture around them. young society. the young people in that country know more than the young people in this country want another war. they live in an area that's inflamed with war so your best bet is to keep the negotiations going. my question to you along the lines that you just raised is if the sanctions are eased and iran is allowed, going to discuss this with ann curry before we lost her, if the sanctions are eased and oil is allowed to be shipped in greater quantities out of iran, what do they do, how do we watch the funding they receive from the sale of their oil in terms of how they fund terrorism as they are doing right now in yemen?

what do we do about that? >> two things. first of all, i agree with your point. the problem is there's i my indications plimp implications. what does turkey do, what does egypt do, saudi arabia do? what do the israelis do? >> get their own. >> i agree with you that ongoing communication is way better than taking a hard line. the problem is is there's implication to what others do. i think that the issue is the worst thing for global economy is instability. so when you have geopolitical uncertainty you have military possibilities, you then destabilize the global economy. as a result of that prices rise and you have less demand. i mean consumer demand is predicated on confidence and stability. so the issue is going to be you know there are only one contributor. i think the oil issue is a much bigger issue than just what happens with iran and how their production is effected. i think the reality though is

you will have higher oil prices over time because we have you know extraordinarily low prices that no one anticipated. i think the issue going forward is going to be you can't track the money. money is cash -- cash is spongeable. it's very hard to track that. you know inherently that if it can go to the wrong places it will. and that's going to continue to destabilize the world. >> miles nadal, thank you very much. coming up bearing his soul. 140 characters at a time. how scott simon captivated twitter by chronicling his mother's death from her bedside. it's the newest selection in the morn "morning joe" blook club. i mean, come on. national gives me the control to choose any car in the aisle i want. i could choose you... or i could choose her if i like her more. and i do. oh, the silent treatment.

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"saturday," scott simon, a new book" unforgettable" which we selected as the "morning joe" book club. great to have you with us this morning. >> it's great to be here. thank you very much. >> what an incredible way of honoring your mother. why don't you tell our viewers what you did and how you did it and why you did it. >> i got a call we were on vacation in california. my family and i expecting my mother to join us. that she had gone in the hospital and put in the intensive care unit and she was 84. the cancer survivor but as the days mounted i figured i better go there. i keep an active twitter account, as you do and joe does. i read all that stuff about arsenal. in any event, i -- as you will understand in the news business even, you do for that matter keep an active twitter account, the most interesting people you talk to are not necessarily the people whose names you recognize in the news. i flagrantly tweeted about the

things our children say and my mother was just so funny and interesting. particularly as it became obvious that this was, as they call it the end game. and when she would look up and say, in a moment of pain you know, baby all those great death bed speeches had to be written in advance. and i tweeted that. and then at one point more seriously she looked at me and said, you know, you really ought to spend more time talking to people in their eight at this times because they've looked right across the street at death for a decade and they know what's really important in life. i just felt compelled topaz that along. obviously i hate to use that phrase went viral. it got a lot of attention. and this -- this book is the story of our last week together but also because we had the really -- i consider it a blessed opportunity to review so many things we shared in life together. so it's -- it's her story and in a sense our story. >> absolutely. >> we brought nicolle with us here because she always reads books and cries. and we know she cried in this one, too. >> i did. but your mother was hilarious.

this was my favorite tweet. when your wife came to the hospital she said, you don't have the kids. stop for a quickie. >> yes. >> sense of humor. >> for one more thing she said in the middle of the night, those were her last words. i think she would be very pleased. >> i read that three times. wow, i wish i had known her. >> we stopped at starbucks down stairs. >> close enough. >> and it was quickly. she was -- my mother was funny. and i think what happened in those last days my mother had been a show girl in chicago. and had you know sold clothes and posh michigan avenue shops and had an interesting and tough life. she had been through a lot. and i think -- again, she was always wise and always funny but i think this kind of got compressed and compacted in those last few days. she wanted to give our family something. she was putting on the last great show for us. and i was entranced. >> tell nicolle what your mother's name was.

>> patricia lion simon newman gelman. she referred that as her railroad car of a name. she was married three times. >> she also said that when she went that there should be a headline that said three jewish husbands but no guilt. i was very pleased in fact when the npr website ran her obituary, that was the headline. >> i would guess her humor is what you miss most? >> i miss everything. i miss calling her. i miss making her laugh. i miss her laughter. you know. but, yeah she had an extraordinary -- she was a great natural comic. it wasn't necessarily anything -- my father was a comedian. and famously at one point years ago when they were profiling him, somebody said to my mother what's it like to be married to the funniest man in chicago. my mother said i wouldn't know. >> very good. >> he was a great natural comic. >> sounds like she was incredibly honest. >> she was incredibly honest which was uncomfortable sometimes. >> exactly.

i know that. >> when you're the son. i bet you do. >> you know how that feels as a daughter, right? >> i do. i think a natural comic is often just i think credibly honest. >> you know what i -- if i may, because this occurred to me just within -- and i think i say this in the book but it just the thought got kind of hardened in my mind the other day. i think my mother's greatest asset, because she had a husband, my father, who was drinking himself into a tailspin. she had to get out of that marriage. she had a husband who was convicted of a federal crime. her mother committed suicide. this was an edge she always looked over. in many ways her greatest strength was she knew how to forget. i mean she remembered everything but she knew how to forget. >> resilience. >> any one of those incidents would have traumatized someone for life. they would have let that immobilize them. but she kept going on. and she laughed again and she enjoyed life again. she really had, i think, a genius for forgetting. >> sometimes that is a great, great gift sometimes.

>> the book is "unforgettable." the latest pick for the "morning joe" book club. submit thoughts and questions on twitter using the #mjbookclub. scott simon. thank you so much. >> thank you, scott. >> fantastic. we'll are back.

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program. the same number say they are not confident that an agreement will prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. 63% of americans do not believe iran's leaders are serious about addressing concerns about their nuclear program. more than 60% of americans also say that congress and not president obama should have the final say on any potential agreement. >> so david, let me go to you for a second here. we're going to get to andrea in a second. before we do that i asked around the table who disagreed with me. we want to play this new game on "morning joe" and it's called why am i wrong. >> that's a new game? >> that's a burden on people to say why i'm wrong. why am i wrong? why am i wrong? i think, david, that the president and john kerry, like a lot of presidents and secretary

of state in their final two years, are too desperate for a deal. why am i wrong? >> you're wrong in part because they have to get this deal passed france, which is a negotiating partner, which is prepared to be a nuisance is working with the saudis israelis israelis, is going to make a big stink. that's one reason why you're wrong. >> another question. i think the president should have the saudis, egypt, jordan and the other sunni countries sign off on this before he enters into a deal with iran. why am i wrong? >> i don't think you're wrong. i think that the biggest danger of this it deal is that it will set off an arms race by egypt, turkey, saudi arabia, each of which will want to get the exact same deal iran has, and you think it's dangerous now, just wait. so i think you're right. >> so david, you only succeeded one out of two times.

>> you're also wrong because one of the potentially toughest dates in issue here is when the united states senate returns on april 14th. they will inject themselves into these negotiations, if they are still continuing on somewhat of a basis, and they will really screw it up. >> we'll talk more about this. let's go to switzerland. >> and the most we can learn about what's going on. joining us is andrea mitchell. this is rapidly a changing situation on the ground fl. what's the latest that you can tell us, andrea? >> reporter: the latest is they are going to wrap up today and going to wrap up with less than they expected and they will try to gloss over it. so joe is right, david is right, they are coming out of this with a deal that will alarm the sunni states alarm saudi arabia. it's not yet there and it will set off a fire storm in the senate because it will not have

the kind of closeture on the toughest issues and john kerry can say we're going to do these technical issues and then we can all talk about it and wait until june until you jump into it. they are ready to jump with senate intrusion leading up to complete senate verification. they are about to come out with according to people here close to the negotiations, is a statement, a statement of principles, but no closure on when the sanctions would be lifted. iran wants them lifted up front. u.s. and most of the allies want them to be phased out. the russian foreign minister said in moscow he's heading back, but there are two options. the sanctions could be cancelled in june when there's a final agreement or they could be suspended. and that would still give them leverage to take action against

iran or impose the effect of the sanctions very quickly if in fact, iran were to cheat. bottom line is they are not coming out with agreements on the key issues of limiting iran's research and development and when the sanctions would be lifted. >> obviously lifting of the sanctions could be viewed as a win for iran. what does john kerry come home with as victories for the united states? how did he win in this negotiation if he's going to spin it that way? >> reporter: i'm not sure frankly. he will win by saying we have not lifted the sanctions. so iran did not get immediate sanctions relief. they started out with 10,000 centrifuges. now they are down to 6,000 or less. they will not export enriched

uranium to russia which would get it off iranian soil. so the united states is now demanding a different mix of centrifuges. the other thing that they can point to as a win is iran has agreed to -- which would have been another path to a nuclear bomb. they would reengineer that for civilian use. this is still very much in progress. >> david, this is nicole. i think it's fascinating that 60% of the american public wants congress to weigh in. congress is a body they hold in pretty low esteem but doesn't that suggest that perhaps they don't trust the white house completely on this issue? >> it does and given how partisan this has been that's not surprising. i think we're going to see a very ak ro moanhouse debate. if you're really ready for another war in the middle east,

reject the agreement. >> isn't that a false choice? if you don't buy on to a deal that doesn't do anything to stop them from developing a nuclear bomb, you're for war? that's a false choice, to me. >> it certainly will be the response to kerry and the president. i think the reason that it's a dangerous choice is because it leaves a question of proliferation across the region unaddressed. the saudis have already said we will get started immediately on a nuclear program. but i think that's the argument they will make to congress. do you want to own the war that may be coming in the middle east if we can't make diplomacy work? >> that's been a false choice from the beginning. i don't want a war, but i want a negotiate. ed settlement that's tough. you're seeing them backing off of one issue after another issue. we had this dead line for a reason. the deadline is going to pass.

iranians can't be nailed down on a single thing. they are moving away from every tough issue. and if you could find over the past 20 years a worse time for the united states to strike a deal with iran that will bring more chaos to the middle east than right now, you couldn't find it. >> the alternative would be to leave the sanctions in place. >> the sanctions will remain in place. >> the alternative is negotiate a tougher deal. because listen we all want to see iran's nuclear program sort of brought to heel. the i'm talking about saudi arabia egypt, jordan i'm talking about the middle east as well. this is not black or white. it's not just john kerry's deal

and barack obama's deal. how about a good tough negotiated deal? the best thing you could do is walk away from the table. guess what they come back. here mike barnacle, is irony. we don't need this deal. iran does. but if if you look at how the negotiations are playing out right now, it seems like we're the ones desperate for the deal when it's iran who really needs it for so many reasons. >> i would submit that the world needs this deal, not just iran or the united states. i would say that principally because in my memory i can't recall a negotiation as serious as this one is taking place when an entire region of the world, david, is at war. an entire region of the world. so talk about the degree of difficulty in this negotiation between six nations and iran while surrounded by something

that threatens to erupt even longer. >> the idea that there's a nuclear fuse in the middle of this part of the world that's ablaze makes it seem especially dangerous. the only caution i make is that a lot of the fighting that's going on now is sunni states trying to push back against an iran they think is too aggressive, too expansionist. that's something actually that may be in the long run interest of stability. if you shore up the sunnis so that they are as strong as the iranians, maybe down the road you could get some kind of agreement to wind down the fighting. the way it was a month ago, that would have been possible. the sunnis were just on the run. i don't think per se the new fighting in yemen should be seen as a deal breaker. >> still ahead on "morning joe," he was responsible for diplomacy in iraq during some troubled times. we're breaking down the new challenges and old divisionings.

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now to indiana where the fallout continues over a new religious freedom law that allows businesses to discriminate against gays and lesbians. the house speaker said that the

legislature would act as soon as this week to quote, clarify the law making it clear that it doesn't allow discrimination against gays but that has done little to quiet the uproar. the cover of "the indianapolis star", fix this now. nine ceos signed a letter delivered to the governor calling for the bill to be revised. the indianapolis based ncaa which plans to hold the final four there next weekend is now stepping up the rhetoric. the ncaa president told espn he's waiting for clarification from the state legislature and would then make judgments about whether or not it changes the environment for us doing our work and for us holding events. the law has its defenders, including the man at the center of the controversy, governor pence, who writes i want to make clear to every american that despite what critics and many in the national media have

asserted, the law is not a license to discriminate either in indiana or elsewhere. in fact, it reflects federal law and law in 30 states nationwide. indiana's legislation is about affording citizens full protection under indiana law. >> so this is what i don't understand. we're going to go to gabe gutierrez in a second. i brought this yesterday. these are not my words. i haven't looked into it as much as i would like to, but there's such a huge fire storm. this is from "the washington post," not from the national review, not from the catholic advocate. "washington post," 40% of u.s. states have something similar to indiana, but that's "the washington post." don't tweet me today. i'm just reading what they say. the associated press, not a

right wing outlet, 20 states have something similar in place and arkansas is poised to follow suit. that's the associated press. i'm just wondering -- everywhere i have gone, they are haters in indiana, indiana hates gays. again, i don't understand why just indiana -- these 20 states be targeted. and bill clinton and barack obama be called haters. >> you gave away my clue but i was going to play u who said this. this was in 1993 for a federal version of this. he said our founders cared a lot about religion. one of the reasons why worked so hard to get the first amendment into the bill of rights is because they understood what could happen. what this law says is that the government should be held to a very high level of proof before it interferes with someone's free exercise of religion.

>> i get that, but that was 1992. >> times have changed. this is not a law. i'm not a lawyer most of what i understand about the law is from watching megan kelly. this is not a discrimination law. that's what advocates for equality want they should fight for that in every state. >> i am a lawyer. i learned from my legal philosophy, i can tell you that in 20 states today, i miss judge wapner but 20 states in 2015 have these laws in place, willie. i'm not saying that makes it right. i'm just saying everybody is freaked out and people that don't even know the law are coming up to me saying why are

they such haters in indiana? well, go after bill clinton and barack obama. >> don't go after a 1992 comment. >> also in 2015 there are 20 other states. let's get the story right. >> they should put all 20 states on the list. >> i guess that's what i'm saying. espn should, ncaa should focus on all 20 states. >> maybe someone here does know the differences between the laws in 20 states and the law passed in indiana. >> and the rhetoric that's flying around. >> when did religious persecution become so threatening in indiana that they felt compelled to pass this law? what happened? >> maybe they looked at 19 states and said we should protect people the way the other 19 states are. i don't support the law, but

they are not an anomaly. if you want an effort against indiana, just add 19 states to your campaign. if you want to call for a boycott of indiana, our governor of connecticut should call for a 20-state boycott. >> if you're a democrat of connecticut, you're calling for a ban on state-funded travel you should probably check your own law. >> they have the law. connecticut has the law. >> you have to find out what the difference is. >> if you're scrambling right now. >> if you're a band we love and you're going to cancel your show you better check your other shows coming up. if you believe this is discriminatory, check the list. >> this is just one of those things where people grab hold of something and they jump in before they actually see. >> or maybe the law needs to be changed in 20 states. >> that's the choice. i'm not saying it doesn't. >> it does not take away the

problem. >> we're not deflecting. we're just say inging if you're going to pick on indiana, pick on the other 20 states, including my home state of connecticut, that have essentially the same laws. >> let's look at indiana as an example. >> let's go to gabe gutierrez of nbc news. he's been all over this story. he joins us now from indianapolis. what's the latest there? >> reporter: good morning, first let's talk about your point. if we're asking why indiana is getting so much attention, there's several reasons. opponents will say since there's no law that protects sexual orientation here in indiana, this law is problematic. that's what they will say. the second thing is that the same-sex marriage ban in indianapolis was overturned last year and some of the proponents trying to keep that ban in place were behind passing this law. that's two reasons why indiana is starting to get all this

attention. the supporters of the bill will say it's just national media focusing on this and really shouldn't be doing that to your point. move ing to moving to last night, the fallout from this is growing. there were protesters outside the city council meeting. city council members passed a resolution ab horting this law. it included greg louganis. >> i spent so much time here at national championships, olympic trials, pan american game. s and i felt very embraced by indianapolis. and so i don't think it's reflective of indianapolis but at the same time to have such legislation is discriminatory and hateful. >> it makes me embarrassed to be in indiana. i'm embarrassed, i'm ashamed, and i'm really angry. it's not just a pushback for the

lgbt community. it's a concern for women. it's a concern for people of color that this really creates the possibility of discrimination against anyone. >> reporter: now, as you have been pointing out, there was an op-ed in "the wall street journal" overnight from governor pence. he stress this is this law is not discriminatory and it mirrors that federal legislation signed by president clinton in 199 3. the house speaker told me yesterday that lawmakers are trying to clarify the intent of this bill. they are working on the language and hope to pass something, whether it be some sort of amendment or -- they are not sure what form it will take, but they are hoping to clarify this law by the end of the week. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you very much. maybe they will clarify. >> i hope so because i love wilco. i went to see wilco in new york state. i hope they will --

>> you guys like the ncaa. >> the only thing is there's a unanimous opposition to this law here and in the media. there's not unanimous belief that there's no space for religious liberty in the koun country. >> on both. sides. >> i think this is a legitimate conversation. >> it's fascinateing. >> i just want everybody to know i support religious liberty and religious freedom. >> as we mentioned -- >> willie has a point. >> one distinction that all the other state laws exclude for-profit businesses from protection and this includes for-profit businesses. i think that's the major distinction. >> as we mentioned, connecticut's governor will join us to explain his executive order banning spate-sponsored travel to indiana to protest the religious freedom there. >> i'm going to ask him more pressing question for the people of connecticut. when is spring coming?

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u.s. ambassador christopher hill. a lot to talk with you about including iraq. let's start with iran. nine hours to go for the negotiations. what are the chances there would be a deal that congress would like? >> a deal that congress would like is going to be tough. they will have to go and try to brief this to congress. i hope they will pose the question okay if you don't like this deal what's your alternative? if the answer is just more anxious sanctions, they have never worked. so i think we need to have a little bit of a reality check with some of these nay sayers. >> mr. ambassador who has a tougher sell john kerry in washington or is it going to be the iranian negotiators back in tehran? >> it's pretty similar, except that the iranians are kind of getting their way. they have these shia militia groups in iraq. i mean, the iranian hardliners are doing well otherwise, and

that's just what is driving the arabs crazy. >> are these days for iran? can you find another time since 1979 than the ark of their power has been as long and wide as it is today? >> well it's clear they are very influential in syria. that problem has not gone away from them especially isis completely on the rampage. the iranians have done well with that. then to turn yemen into more shia state and the militia groups in iraq. these are good times for iranian hardliners. the issue for the, if you will the techno democrats is to try to rest control from these hardliners. that's a tall order for him. >> mr. ambassador, two questions, is iraq a failed

state? and two, what impact if any, would a series of successful negotiations and i underline the word successful successful nuclear negotiations between the united states and iran what impact would that have on iran's strength in iraq? the irony is that i think a successful negotiation in addition to slowing down iran's nuclear program, which doesn't mean they are stopping it, but in addition to that i think there does need to be an understanding with iranians about their behavior across the middle east. that's precisely what drives the saudis so crazy about this because the saudis see us cultivating iran, as we did with iran under the shau and they would be our buddies through the region. and the arabs are furious about this, and clearly this is a time for really an uptick in

u.s./arab diplomacy. i mean we should be on a full-court press all over the arab middle east to make them understand we're looking at a nuclear deal, we're looking at modification of iranian behavior and by the way, if you have a better idea, let's hear it. >> so mr. ambassador you have been through this before in 2003. you were involved in party talks with north korea. so here we are at the 11th hour actually past the 11th hour. take americans inside what's going on in switzerland. what are negotiators doing at this moment? >> you know, in these negotiations, what you're always trying to do is get the other side to give what you want and give the other side nothing. that's what you'd like. it doesn't work out that way. so they are down to an 11th hour. it's clear that the obama administration really wants this deal but i must say as someone

who has been there, i did this for four years there's a point at which you think, is this really going to be worth it? by the time you get off the airplane in washington you have an entire sort of it's not snowfall that's coming at that time and you'll have to deal with that storm when you arrive. i can imagine the negotiators are thinking i'm not sure it's worth it. >> ambassador christopher hill thank you, we'll see what happens. we're hours away at this point. still ahead, he's taking a stand against indiana's controversial religious freedom law. connecticut governor daniel malloy joins us to explain his decision to ban state travel to that state. we'll be right back. hey! have an awesome vacation everyone! thank you so much! you're so sweet. yummy! key lime pie at 90 calories. it is so good for not giving in.

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discriminate in this law. for my part i ab horde discrimination. i don't think anyone should be mistreated because of who they are or who they love. this issue today is for me first about religious liberty. but it's also about really clarifying what we have done here in the state of indiana, what this law means in states across the country, and to make sure people know indiana is open for business. you all have been to the hoosier state. you know there are no kinder more hospitable people in america than here in indiana. >> that was indiana governor mike pence moments ago commenting on his state's controversial religious freedom restoration act. he'll hold a news conference this it morning to quote, clarify the law. yesterday connecticut governor dannel malloy signed a no travel

ban. your comments including saying it was disturbing and discriminatory and harkens back to a time when states were allowed to pass laws that treated their citizens differently. >> pretty good language i think. that describes how we feel about this law in connecticut. the reality is the governor is not a stupid man, but he's done stupid things. signing this law and promoting this law knowing what it was going to do was an incredibly stupid thing for him to do. even there, you get the picture from who was around him when he signed this bill there were three homophobic men standing alongside the governor. one of them had equated being gay with allie, he knew exactly what he was doing. and when you see a bigot, you

have to call him on it. >> there are 20 other states that have similar legislation, and it's claimed that a lot of state laws are based on the federal law. from your point of view, what are the differences between the other state laws and the indiana state law that we're talking about today? >> you know we have to stop repeating a conservative or radical talking points. these laws are different. for instance in the state of connecticut, we have outlawed discrimination based on sexual orientation since 1991. the law in connecticut was passed in 1993. it does not give an individual right, it does not say to a company that you can discriminate you can refuse to serve someone, you can refuse to allow them into your business. this law in indiana was promoted to do exactly that. so when it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck.

they knew what they were doing and that was deciding that they were going to make it legal to refuse to serve gay men and women. a member of the army can be gay. they go into a coffee shop in indiana under this law and someone says because you're gay, even though you're wearing the uniform of the united states of america, i'm not going to serve you. that was the intent of this law. they knew what they were doing. somebody has to call them on it. >> governor how are you this morning? >> i'm doing well. >> you use the term conservative talking points and radical talking points to describe what mike barnacle told you that 20 other states had similar laws to what was in indiana, when in fact, we read from "the washington post" this it morning and the associated press that said just that that there are 20 other states that have very similar laws. certainly wouldn't say that the "washington post" or associated

press were conservative, radical or bigoted, would you? >> whoever wrote those articles have making a massive mistake and that is being used to cover bigotry in indiana. that's what's going on. people should stop repeating those points. for instance, to point out that states recognize religious freedom, we have a united states constitution that recognizes religious freedom. almost every state has it in its constitution. let's not mistake what was going on. >> if that's the case if we have religious freedom in the constitution then why did connecticut feel compelled in 1993 to pass this law? >> you mean two years after it already said you can't discriminate based on sexual orientation? that's the difference joe. what was going on -- you know about the debate in indiana. this has been well publicize

ued. as i say in the very picture of the signing ceremony, there are pictures of three homophobic men who made it a part of their business to make gay people as miserable as possible. the governor knew what he was doing. he miscalculated terribly in a state that he's absolutely right. i don't think people in indiana want to discriminate this way, but somehow they got people in the legislature to pass this very law that would legalize discrimination in indiana. indiana is the home of the ncaa. they should not play any tournaments in that state until indiana recognizes the rights of gay men and women. it's the home of most of fraternities. it's the base of most fraternities that exist in the united states. those fraternities should get up and move out of indiana unless indiana is willing to recognize the rights of individuals. >> so governor one final question about the difference between what's in indiana and what's in connecticut.

looking at some articles that have been written over the past couple days they have actually said the standard is actually higher against discrimination in indiana if you compare the religious freedom law there to the one in connecticut because in indiana they talked about not being able to -- unless an action substantially burdens somebody's religious belief. s whereas in connecticut the substantially is not even there. what would you say to those people that are not looking at the people on stage that you say are bigots. they are just looking at the language of the law. that's what i'm talking about here and all mike is talking about here is the actual letter of the law and how courts will interpret these statutes. >> joe, when you interpret a statute, you look at the daeblt that took place in the legislature. there was no doubt what was going on here. the legislature in indiana decided to give cover to people who wanted to discriminate. . that was the purpose of this law. that's how it got passed.

the governor's on record as acknowledging that in the past as well. so let's be very clear. connecticut recognizes transgender rights. you can't discriminate not just because they are gay, but if they fall into a category of transgender. we have a history of passing those laws for 250 years to make sure people cannot be discriminated against. so when people simply repeat that there's similar language, i'm going back to the original point. we guarantee the freedom of religion. in the connecticut constitution we guarantee freedom of freedom. we have also passed laws that says you cannot discriminate base ued on sexual orientation. that's the difference between us and indiana. if indiana wants to make this right, they need to pass laws that says you cannot diskrim in this case based on sexual orientation. >> let's just ta this between now and this weekend when the final four is played.

a much tougher question for you. you're an embarrassment. when is spring coming to my home state? >> and why is there snow on joe's lawn? >> you have done such a good job at keeping our power on congratulations for that. it's about time. a twig falls somewhere in hartford and power shuts down in fairfield county. but not over the past couple winters. when is spring coming governor? when is it coming? >> any day now, any day. >> that's a politician. governor malloy thank you so much, great job. up next, he was an iconic performer who did things his way. a documentary that looks at frank sinatra using never before seen footage. keep it right here on "morning joe." ...for a trip to hawaii. we love free checked bags. i've saved $75 in

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that point we put the house on the market. >> and i couldn't have been happier because i loved california. lovely lovely it was right on the lake. we had a kayak a canoe. it was so beautiful. we had a wonderful life there. dad came home a lot he wasn't just a voice on the radio.

>> wow, that looks great. that was a look at the new four-hour documentary mini series on frank sinatra. his provocative documentary "going clear" is also playing on hbo. and alex joins us now. where do we begin? >> his new friends in scientology. let's talk about sinatra. you have some really rare footage from a concert from 1971. sinatra's so-called retirement concert. but talk about this and talk about how you actually shaped the film around the song selections and his life. >> he had never written his own autobiography. we were looking for a way to kind of structure the film. and nancy sinatra had this footage in her house, which was shot in his retirement concert.

in 1971 he retired and they thought we better record it. so they shot it and then the conceit of the film is the 11 songs he performed, it was 11 songs to tell a story of life in song. >> the clip that we just showed i found just incredibly fascinating in and of itself in that sinatra throughout his life was surrounded by a conga line of beautiful women. through them all, am i wrong in thinking that nancy sinatra had a firm grip on him throughout his life. >> she did, and he kept can returning to her throughout many, many years. she's still going strong at 97 or 98. >> what was it? >> i think they formed an early bond. with sinatra it all goes back to new jersey.

they met each other when they were young in new jersey. she was a very strong woman, and remained emotionally faithful to him, as he was never faithful to her. but the bond was deep. >> let's talk about scientology since you have so much going on at hbo here. it's called "the prison of belief." what do we learn here? >> it's about how people can fall into a system of blind faith and lose their barings and end up doing terrible things. in the case of scientology, we follow eight people some of whom rose very high up in. the ranks of scientology, some of who are famous like the director of "crash." they were in for a long time until they suddenly realized, oh my god, we're participating in a system of rampant abuse and they managed to get out and now are speaking out about it.

>> is it an overstatement to say a high number of hollywood stars are drawn to this or is it the coverage that certain stars have gotten? >> i don't think it's a high number, but there are prominent ones. tom cruise is the most important one. tom cruise has become some of the poster boy for scientology. >> you claim his marriage to to nicole kidman was broken up by the church. >> the church would intervene on his behalf in all sorts of ways. we tell the story about one woman who was basically groomed and remade in the image that tom cruise wanted. >> and the church has a blackmail folder on john travolta. >> they have folders on everybody. you make these confessions. they keep a careful record and if they think you're straying, they remind you we have everything you said in our files. >> the church's clergy are

distressed through torture. what do you mean by torture? >> i'm not sure we said distressed from torture. >> okay. how are they treated? >> the clergy? we chronicle this incident in which the leader of the church brought everybody into a tiny area a couple double-wide trailers in southern south carolina that they called the hole and subjected them to incredible psychological pressure. they were beaten they were forced to beat each other up and it was all a part of destabilizing the organization so he could take total power. >> cult or not a cult? >> i don't like to use the word cult. i use the word abuse. >> alex thank you so much. >> and a lot to watch.

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