tv NOW With Alex Wagner MSNBC April 2, 2015 1:00pm-2:01pm PDT
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>> we have breaking news this hour on the nuclear talks with iran. nearly 48 hours after a self-imposed deadline passed the u.s. iran and five world powers have finally reached an agreement on an outline for a nuclear deal. they put limits on the nuclear program in exchange for nuclear relief. moments after it was announced, president obama announced his praise, but he also voiced caution. >> i am convinced if this framework leads to a final deal it will make our countries, our allies and our world safer. so this deal is not based on tr u.s., it's based on unverified predication. if iran cheats the world will know it. while it is always a possibility that iran may try to cheat on a deal in the future the framework of transparency makes it far more likely that we'll know about it.
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>> although 23409 all the details are settled, the specifics are as follows. reduce centrifuges by two-thirds. iran will only enrich uranium at one facility. international inspectors will have access to all of the facile facilityies facilities. all nuclear related sanctions against iran will be lifted. john kerry and the iranian foreign minister both praised the tentative deal. >> we will not accept just any deal. we will only accept a good deal. and today i can tell you that the political understanding with details that we have reached is a solid foundation for the good deal that we are seeking. >> if you succeed, this would be one of the few cases where an issue is resolved through
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diplomatic means. >> there was cheering on the streets of iran following today's announcement. whether the same reaction will be seen in the u.s. is unclear. one of the biggest questions is whether congress will try to scuttle the deal when they return to washington on april 13th. joining me now is senior foreign affairs correspondent for politico michael crowley and nbc news tehran bureau chief. michael, let me start with you first. what's your initial read of this? is this a good deal? >> first of all, relative to the last several days it's much more substantial than i would have suspected. and they've made real progress. whether or not it's a good deal will depend on important questions. there are a couple of key shoe issues that will not be easy to resolve. one is what iran will do with the stockpile of enriched uranium. for a long time it was expected they would ship that material out of the country. now it looks like they may not want to do that.
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this agreement punts that question. research and development into advanced generation centrifuges. it's fuzzy to me how much iran will be able to do that and how much questions it's going to have to answer with the iaea. the good of the deal from the u.s. perspective will depend on how the final battles are thought. they made more progress than i thought they were. >> ali, what's the reaction in tehran beyond the cheering? it sounds like it's been positive. >> reporter: it has been positive alex. today is the last day of the persian new year. so the streets are crowded, but some people got into their cars drove into the streets and started honking their horns and flashing victory signs. for the most part people really wanted the deal for two reasons. one, to get rid of economic sanctions so the country could function economically again. the sanctions have been very tough on ordinary iranians.
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but another very important point, very important to the vast majority of the population is they don't want iran isolated. they wanted to be a member of the international community. regular iranians that travel. that are worldly, they don't like to be seen as a pariah and they think that this will move on from that. so that was the big thing for people here. we have to see how things will go from here on in and exactly what happens if and when a deal is finally inked. >> i think a lot of us you mentioned you're surprised at the terms of the deal with this explicit. a lot of people up until hours before this was announced were skeptical anything would come to pass. given where we are at this moment, are you bullish on the final contours of a deal getting hammered out in june? >> i guess i'm bullish. you know this process has defied all predictions, and as soon as i'm bullish that something is really happening, there's a huge setback, and i
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completely change my mind. but at this moment yes. i've had a scrap sheet here where i'm trying to do who won one thing and who lost another in another column? and it looks to me like both sides gave things up. it was how a negotiation ought to work. that will were ak fiss on beau both sides. and there are things left unresolved for later. but you're absolutely right. for much of the last several days it was looking terrible. and it seemed the likeliest outcome was that they were going to break up this round and say we don't want to stop the process, but we need to take a break. we'll hit a wall. we'll come back next week. that was surprising. the details were surprising. >> when the president came to the rose garden this afternoon to talk about the deal, the beginning part of his remarks seemed, i won't say triumphant but positive. the second half seemed defensive. in many ways one thought he was
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speaking both to prime minister netanyahu and also republican critics in congress. how closely are the iranians looking at the american congressional reaction on this? given what prime minister netanyahu said when he came to capitol hill a few weeks ago? >> they're looking at it very closely because ultimately that -- that could scuffle the deal here as well. oo iranian parliament the other day said they're going to put in their own committee to counter what congress was doing. and although for the most part the iranians were happy, there are detracters here. and they weren't happy about the deal. they felt the iranians had given away the shot. a lot of people were making derogatory comments on social media saying being so scaled down now, the only real use is
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to become a chicken farm. there are people not happy about this. and another unknown factor iran is a predictably unpredictable country. there are some that are not going to be happy about an american presence here. they have to work the united states for the next 15 years. something they've never had to do before. now hard liners are going to have to work with ia inspectors making intrusive inspections, and they're not going to be happy about that. and up until this day today, the revolutionary guard who ran the site didn't allow anybody into that site. it had become a major point of contention. the guards stuck to their guns. they didn't allow inspectors in. one must fear that things like this may happen in the future. that if inspections become
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intrusive, the guard will become defensive here and that could complicate matters. right now there's no signs of that, but as this goes on that may happen. another thing i was surprised is there was no sunset clause in this deal. for aspects of this deal to run indefinitelily was surprising to me for the iranians to accept. i wonder how that will pan out in the future over the decade of this deal. there's still a lot of moving part here. >> i want to bring in director for nonproliferation policy at the arms control association. kelsey davenport. to get into some of the specifics of this deal as ali, our bureau chief in tehran points out. there's no sunset clause here. a lot of the provisions expand beyond ten years torks 15 and 25 years. how aggressively weighted towards the u.s. do you think this deal is? >> i think from a u.s. perspective, this is a strong effective agreement. and lays the ground work for a
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deal that can really assure the international community that iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons. particularlying the monitoring and verification clauses. many of which will be permanent, will give them much more intrusive aspects to iran's facilities. this is certainly a win for the united states. >> michael. there are a couple of lines in the summery that the white house circulated this afternoon that are worth noting. one is the sanctions on terror in iran and human lights related sanctions are not going to be lifted as a p port of this. which seems again, not a preempt preemptive olive branch an olive branch. and those in the human rights community that are equally concerned. >> right, that language wasn't a surprise, but you're smart to flag it because it gets at one of the bigger issues going on here in the u.s. and the
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domestic political debate and something that does threaten the fate of this deal. a lot of meng members of congress overwhelmingly republicans, but a lot of democrats also, who are questioning how we can be doing a deal with iran on a narrow issue when in their view iran is such a threat throughout the region around the world. and there are people who just think you can't separate one from the other. and we shouldn't be striking any kind of deal with iran as long as it's supporting syria. having a hand in yemen. and you'll remember prime minister benjamin netanyahu, when he spoke to the congress last month, h opposed having in provisions at all, saying it shouldn't be a time line it should be tied lifting sanctions and ending the restrictions on iran should be tied to iranian behavior. it's not supporting terrorism and conducting other activities.
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so that is a key question hovering around, you know shall we say kind of orbiting the central question of the nuclear program. >> the most important person on the iranian side was absent. ayatollah, do we have any sense of where he stands on this deal? >> we haven't heard from him yet, but this deal wouldn't have happened without his blessing. there's no doubt about that. he calls the final shots in the country. having said that the revolutionary guard is a very powerful entity onto itself. but they do answer to him, and on the surface, they are working side by side with him. so he has giving his blessing on the deal. he was very specific yesterday and the day before throughout the course of the negotiation, saying if a deal with the united states is finally struck it only has to do with the nuclear issue. it doesn't mean there's going to
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be relations with the united states, an embassy is not going to open here. don't think we're going to be good friends with the united states because we signed a deal with them. many iranians want good relations with the united states. so we'll have to how that plays out. they thought relations with the united states would make their life better. also going back to your point about the human rights. a lot of iranians are worried that this deal going through will detract from human rights cases in iran. they think the international community won't be so concerned and things they become more difficult for people on the ground here. alex? >> nonetheless. i don't want to let this moment go by. it is a historic thing we are witnessing. president obama's speech broadcast in tehran. cheering on the treats of iran. a lot of questions, but still definitely something to talk about and savor for the moment.
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thank you all for your time. >> thank you. ahead this hour president obama and secretary kerry have made a deal with iran, but what about the gop? we'll talk about the prospects for white house success and nuclear a talks with the republican held congress. but first, another volatile issue at home. kicked up by so-called freedom laws. we'll have more on that after the brak. ♪ hands. ♪ you got it booking right. ♪ booking.com booking.yeah
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ticking to amend its law before the legislative session ends today. lawmakers announced a revision clarifying the state's religious freedom law would not allow bidses to refuse service to gays and lesbians or other groups. the clarification will not add lgbt protections to separate civil rights laws. and it will exempt churches and other nonprofit religious institutions. the fix is not good enough for angie's list which became the first major company to reprotect the revision, calling it insufficient. with me now is washington bureau chief for "time" michael cherer. i want to get your thoughts oen the way this all shook down. which is big business taking a pronounced stand on asking governors to veto this bill. how did this happen? and how much has it caught the republican party in particular
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flat footeded? >> the republican party and the conservative movement and the christian right movement. all of them have been caught flat footed. i think the back story here is that the ground work had been laid for months on this. that the the gay rights group, the acl, you knew was coming. they began organizing months ago to get businesses on board. so you immediately had a number of very large corporations including the the ceo of apple coming out and saying this was not acceptable. and literally threatening the state to get people who don't have a dog in the fight or sympathetic to religious freedom cause to take a step back. and even more astoundingly in arkansas, you had the head of walmart coming out, which is you know not apple computer. this is as red state america a company as there is. and the governor of arkansas is
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not going to be able to move forward with something if the head of walmart is saying it's unacceptable. >> and coke again, not a reactionary, uber flag burning company. a major corporation that employs a lot of people in a lot of red states. michael. let me get your thoughts on jeb bush and his awkward week. on monday on a conservative radio program, he said i think governor pens has done the right thing. people are not seeing this as discriminatory at all. yesterday he said quote, by the end of the week i think indiana will be in the right place. suggesting perhaps indiana was not in if right place at the beginning of the week. are you surprised that he came out the gate as early as he did early in the cycle, and now finds himself in the position of having to walk back his comments? >> it's a tough question to dodge. i'm sure his scheduleers would prefer he wasn't booked at that
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moment in time. he was trying to defend backtracking. he had to follow the backtracking. jeb bush is where a lot of establishment republicans are. they're generally conservative, but they don't want to talk about this issue. and in both cases, in the silicon valley meetings and initial comments on talk radio to try to find the most frictionless path forward. and he got tripped up. he'll need to learn lessons from this so he doesn't have to contradict himself. where he stands on these issues is pretty clear. you know he's conservative. he opposed gay marriage on the state level. but he's not going to run on blocking gay marriage or making a big issue in his presence for the campaign. >> what of ted cruz who has been vocally in support of the efforts, and yesterday maligned big business.
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saying the fortune 500 is running shamelessly to enforce the radical gay marriage agenda. it seems to me -- well, i'm confused about who exactly, what constituency ted cruz is supporting giving the number of groups he's alienated. fortune 500 companies, that does not seem to be the long-term electoral strategy. >> but fortune 500 companies don't have votes in republican primaries and caucuses. >> they have money, though. >> they have money. but iowa republicans don't tend to respond to what apple computer tells them to do. to this ez are pretty small caucuses. i am one of those who don't really see much hope for mr. cruise senator cruz getting a path to the nomination. his strategy makes a lot of sense. he's raising a lot of small dollars. he's identifying himself with the angry core base of the republican party, which is arguably the most influential part of a very fractious party.
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especially in the early states. so his position on all of this stuff will always be his move will almost always be to move right. and criticize the left and criticize anybody opposing the purebred conservatism that he's selling, and that's what he did here. very different from jeb bush's strategy. >> very different, to say the least. washington bureau chief for "time." i believe the cover speaks for it. >> thank you as always michael. joining me now is founder of the it gets better project, dan savidge. let's talk about what's going down in state houses in arkansas and indiana. do you -- what do you think of these fixes? angie's list seems to be publicly skeptical. are you? >> i'm publicly skeptical, too. this fix doesn't really fix the problem. it returns us to the status quo in indiana, which is that is legal to discriminate against gay, lesbian, bi and trans people most everywhere in
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the state. anywhere that doesn't have a municipal lgbt rights ordnance. so we've returned to the battle days. we've left the worse days that this religious enabling actor tended. but we haven't fixed it. and the aclu and al and angie's list are not satisfied. hilariously enough the religious right is fires you about this fix. putting in this legislation that they spent all week claiming does not legalize discrimination against lgbt people. actually preventing it from being used to legalize discrimination against lgbt people. this is angering them. so as they've been saying all week, it was never the intent of the law, and the law wouldn't enable discrimination. why is it a problem that it's been added to the law,that it cannot be used to justify discrimination? it really kbifs them a lie. this was all about legalizing
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discrimination against lgbt people? targeting specifically lgbt people. and it's bad for corporate america. it's bad for the creative economic. it's bad for apple and angie's list. and somehow mike pence didn't get the home moe about the cultural shift going on in the last 20 years in this country. and he has egg all over his face. >> let's talk about the coalition. the group of organizations opposing the bills o formidable. and walmart, coke the gap, huge major american corporations. and my question to you is can the same group of people be summoned to fight the broader civil rights issues? not just the these sort of stand-alone bills in arkansas and indiana and ones being proposed in north carolina and georgia. but the broader fight for equality. do you think these are new
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partners? i do i think they're new partners. but corporations act in their own interests. and what you're seeing is this patch work. the difference in laws from state to state around marriage around employment protections is a bureaucratic nightmare for them. and they want this settled and the american public by a large majority now supports marriage equality. it supports protections from lgbt people and public housing accommodation, and corporate america is anxious for this to be done so they don't have to consult a map when they want to open a new location, and they don't have to continue to deal with, you know good states and bad states. good states to open business and bad states to open businesses. and this is an impact around recruiting but also for large tech companies. if they want to locate you know, new offices or new workforce centers, outside of
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silicon valley a lot of talent they need is not going to go there. not just gay talent, but also straight people. >> plenty of straight people are interested in basic equality and civil rights. >> right. >> i want to ask you just before we let you go in terms of this being a bell that can or cannot be unrung in terms of people's positions on this. tom koth on the said i think it's important we have a sense of perspective. in iran they hang you for the crime of being gay. i don't know that you can lower the bar on human and civil rights much more than what happens in iran. what were your thoughts on that? do you think gay americans will remember where politicians were at this moment in two years when there's a presidential election? >> i do. you've seen jeb bush and the entire republican field endorse these enabling acts. chris christie today endorsed this act. rand paul has endorsed this. and gay people are going to
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remember. yes, we do need to remember it's worse for queer people in russia. worse for queer people in nigeria. and a lot of queer people in america work hard on these issues, myself included andage state and try to push that in the consciousness of the public. they want america to get credit for being better on gay issues and will point to how bad it is elsewhere to justify making it worse here. how do you -- how do you rationalize that? except through some sort of bigot blender brain. >> bigot blender brain. i can't even say that, it's such an illfounder of the it gets better project, dan savage thanks for your time dan. >> thank you. >> we will be back with more after the break. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping
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when you hear the inevitable critics of the deal sound off, ask them a simple question do you think this verifiable deal if fully implemented, backed by the world's major powers is a worse option than the middle east. and without offering any reasonable alternative. and the united states will be blamed for rfailure of diplomacy. >> president obama urged critics to hold their fire. but it seems unlikely this will keep the centers at bay. already reaction is pouring in. house speaker john boehner, the parameters represent an alarming departure from the white house's initial goals. my immediate concern is signaling of near-term sanction reliefs. senator marco rubio said the initial details seem very
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troubling. and then there is senator tom cotton. i will work with my colleagues in the senate to protect america from this very dangerous proposal. joining me now is white house press secretary josh earnest. i know it is a busy day at the white house. >> good afternoon, alex. >> has the president spoken with republican in congress specifically speaker boehner yet? >> the president is putting in calls to republican members of the congressional leadership. i don't know if the calls have been completed yet. if they are, we'll let everybody know. the truth is alex the administration and the president himself is committed to working closely with members of congress to help them understand exactly a what this deal guarantees. and we're at the early stages of establishing a framework for a more detailed agreement. but this framework is a good deal. it would succeed in ensuring that iran does not obtain a nuclear weapon and the other thing it would guarantee is the international community through the experts at the iaea would be
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able to examine all of iran's nuclear facilities to verify their agreement. that's the best way to ensure iran does not obtain a nuclear weapon. it's clearly in the best interest of the united states. and it is clearly the best options that we have. it far outweighs any nuclear option that we have. places sanctions on iran at this stage would be counter productive. the only reason it succeeded is because we've been able to work closely with the international community to implement themt. but now that we have a good agreement from iran if they are in bad faith to put in addition na l sanctions it would cause the international coalition to fracture. and we would be in a position where we could no longer place sanctions on iran to be as owneress as the ones in place now. >> go ahead. >> let me ask about prime minister benjamin netanyahu. it's no secret that the israeli minister and i don't agree. he'll be speaking with the prime
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minister to make sure there will be no dale between the two. has he spoken to him yet? have you got an readout on the thoughts on this deal? the prime minister is planning to call netanyahu this afternoon. and the truth of the matter is, and this where i start at the beginning. this kind of diplomatic agreement is the best way to prevent iran from maintaining a nuclear weapon. and it happens to be clearly in the best interest of israel. the prime minister has made clear he disagrees with this approach. he's certainly entitled to that view. the broader international community is working with the united states to implement the agreement. it's a good agreement. and it's one that would prevent an arms race in the middle east. >> josh, is he prepared to go ahead with the deal if he doesn't get the seal of approval from netanyahu? >> well prime minister's differences are well known.
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he's had ample opportunity to raise his concerns. the thing we should be clear about alex. >> and he did raise him, didn't he, josh? the concerns were raised very much publicly. >> in a very forceful public way. u but it doesn't change the facts. the facts are the best way for us to prevent iran from ob taking a nuclear weapon is through diplomacy. and by working with the international community, the president united the community to implement sanctions that compelled iran to the negotiating table and convinced iran to make very serious commitments to shut down every pathway they have to a puck lar weapon. iran also agreed to cooperate with the most intrusive inspections that have ever been placed on a country's nuclear program. to verify their agreement. and it's the most effective way for us to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. a military option that i know some republicans advocate is one not nearly as effective in setting back the nuclear program. it would only serve to give iran an incentive to give a nuclear
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weapon. it would cause them to kick out all the inspectors currently there, which means would would have even less insilgt. >> >> and no doubt there are a lot of points in terms of this deal. i want to get your thoughts on iran's mornforeign minister. the solutions are all good for all, as they stand. there's no need to spin using fact sheets so early on. i know because i'm lucky enough to be on the press distribution list, that the white house sent out fact sheets shortly after this deal was announced. what is your reaction to the foreign minister's comments? >> look the foreign minister is in a position where he has made some very serious commitments. as it relates to iran's nuclear program. and the international community is going to hold him to those commitments. and we have structures this agreement in such a way that if iran walks back on the the commitments, we still have all the options on the table available to us. and if iran wasn't in a position to walk away from the negotiating table, we would
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continue to have had the united international community that would have a wide range of options in front of us including putting in place additional sanctions to put more pressure on iran. and alex, this is an important part of what the president's leadership made a reality. when the president took office you'll recall iran was advancing towards a nuclear weapon. and the international community was fractured. and at a loss for trying to figure out how they were going to confront iran over this. because of the president's steady leadership, we've seen a reversal. the international community is now side by side shoulder to shoulder with the united states compelling iran to the negotiating table. what you see inside of iran is a population that says why are we so focused on pursuing the nuclear program when it's having a terrible impact on our economy? so that's what prompted iran to make the very serious commitments to the international community and convinced iran to cooperate with the intrusive inspections regime that can give
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them confidence that they're living up to their deal. that's why we say that a diplomatic agreement is by far the best way for us to prevent iran from ob taking a nuclear weapon. >> josh, which is the party that poses the greater obstacle to finalizing the nuclear agreement? the iranians or con gregsgressional republicans? >> the iranians are on the other side of the table. iran needs to do a couple of things. they need to live up to their commitments. they have to cooperate with inspections to verify. inspectors that can verify they're living up to their commitments. the other thing they'll have to do over the next couple of months. we have announced a frame work today for an agreement. and now it will be the responsibility of technical experts to sit down at the table, and actually make sure that all of the details of this agreement are consistent with the over -- >> it sounds like you're not that worried about congressional republicans. >> well, look members of congress are certainly entitled to their own opinion. since the beginning of our
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country, we have empowered the commander in chief, the president of the united states with the responsibility of conducting foreign policy consistent with the best interest of the united states of america. that's exactly what this president is doing. we will, as we have from the beginning, keep congress closely in the loop. there will be congressional consultations starting at the president's level on down. and we want to work with congress to make sure that we present to the international community the clarity that the united states is united behind this agreement and that we are committed to working with the the international community to make sure it's properly enforced. we know it's clearly in the national security interest of the united states. it's clearly in the national security interest of the closest ally in the region israel. but we also want to avoid an arms race in the -- the nuclear arms race in the most volatile region of the world. >> indeed if you had told anybody, cuba iran burma, all in the same administration it is not a shortage of potential accomplishments. josh earnest, thank you for your time. >> thank you alex. >> we me now is congressional
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reporter for "the new york times," jeremy peters. thank you for joining me jeremy. what is the likelihood that the democrats will stand in line with the president supporting this deal? steve israel has expressed his skepticism on it. harry reid says he's cautiously optimistic optimistic. what are you getting in terms of a readout? >> i think it's have r close to the 67 vote threshold to overright a presidential veto should that become necessary in the house. i think it's a bit more uncertain whether or not -- nancy pelosi is very good as we know, as holding democrats together. you would need about four dozen of them to overright a presidential veto. it's less certain. there are two things going on here alex. first, there are members of both parties on the hill that want congress to have a say over the final deal. and polling would indicate that americans support that.
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americans don't support president obama signing off on this deal by himself. and i think that gets to the second issue going on here. which is there are certain members of congress who see political gain in going after the president because his standing as a leader has been diminished and weakened over the six years of his presidency. >> and i think you're seeing preemptively the whougs accommodate for that. the president expressed cautious optimism -- i won't say skepticism, but it was tenuous, the legislation today. and that is in some ways trying to neutralize potential criticism that will come from certain corners over the contours of this deal. >> yes, that's absolutely right. and so much of this has been prejudged. i was listening to josh earnest and thinking what a tough job the president and the president's press secretary have in selling this. people have already made it clear. mostly on both sides of this. how they're lining up. and i think that that's not
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unusual in today's polarized climate, but it's distressing to those who want to make sure there is the safest, most secure deal in place. >> "the new york times" jeremy peters thanks for your time as always, jeremy. >> thank you. coming up, chilling new details about the germanwings copilot. those are ahead on "now." biotech to clean energy. whether your business is moving, expanding or just getting started... only new york offers you zero taxes for 10 years with startup ny business incubators that partner companies with universities, and venture capital funding for high growth industries. see how new york can grow your business and create jobs. visit ny.gov/business --i don't know my credit score. that's really important. i mean - i don't know my credit score. don't you want to buy a house...like, ever? you should probably check out credit karma, it's free. credit?
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we have chilling new details about andreas lubitz the co-pilot at the controls of germanwings flight 9525, when it crashed into the french alps last week. lubitz was searching the internet in the days leading up to the crash. he had been looking for information about how to commit suicide, as well as security measures for cockpit doors. earlier today, investigators announced they had found an ipad at lubitz's apartment, one that included browser history from the days proceeding the crash. joining me now is dr. edward a psychiatrist who works with the faa and pilots. thanks for joining me again. in terms of this browser history and the fact that it may suggest premeditated murder how did -- broadly speaking from your medical standpoint, how does that suicidal tendency and premeditated homicide.
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how unusual is the con fluns of those two things? >> well thankfully i think it's rare. certainly suicidal ideation is not so rare. we see it in clinical practice all the time. and it's not uncommon either for patients to research various methods on how they can commit suicide. i very often hear about, for example, patients researching what medications can kill them and overdose. and then the whole concept of the murder-suicide is rare. usually it takes place in domestic disputes. the male is the perpetrator, often killing a wife or girlfriend and then killing himself. and then pilot suicide is from the research i've done exceedingly rare and accounts for a small fraction of the amount of the cause of plain crashes. >> doctor, in terms of premeditated murder and homicides, folks have said that usually the aggressor, the person that commits that crime has a bone to pick in some way
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feels put upon angry at society or a specific group of people. how accurate do you think that assessment is? >> i think it's very accurate. it's spot on. and many times we see these mass shooting suicides obviously we don't know the details in this case, yet. but it's often a disgruntled worker. someone with tremendous anger towards some institution or coworkers or something like that. i think in the days to come they'll find out a lot more about what kind of beef he made have had with the airlines. that will be an invest they'll have to do. >> doctor thank you as always for your time. >> my pleasure, thanks again for having me. >> we'll have more after the break. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping the nissan rogue
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