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step one. get blue prints. it's not that hard. they're not all that complex. there are darker corners of the internet. there are even darker corners of the used book trade where you can find pretty detailed instructions for how to build your own atomic weapon. there for example is a truck driver named john coster mullen from waukesha wisconsin who not only self-taught himself how to make a nuclear bomb, he actually built it. a full-scale accurate replica of the bomb that was dropped on hiroshima in 1945. and this wisconsin trucker he wrote a detailed sort of loose leaf book about how you too could build an accurate replica of a working nuclear weapon. there are copies of that book still here and there. so step one for building a nuclear bomb figure out how to build a nuclear bomb. turns out that's not the hard part. the hard part is step two. obtaining the nuclear material that makes a nuclear bomb go
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boom. the hiroshima bomb in 1945, it was basically structurally speaking, a gun. inside the outer casing that looked like a cartoon version of a bomb was basically a gun mechanism used an explosive charge to fire a piece of highly enriched uranium into another piece of highly enriched uranium. and that created a nuclear reaction and a nuclear explosion. that was the first bomb. the second bomb the u.s. dropped on japan three days later, that one did it in a different way. the nagasaki bomb again used an explosive charge but in this case it was used for a different material. the nagasaki bomb used an explosive charge to squeeze together a hunk of plutonium. not uranium, but plutonium. and that is how the nagasaki nuclear reaction was setoff. those two american bombs remain the only two nuclear weapons ever been used as weapons in wartime anywhere on earth. we have not come up with a lot
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of new ideas about nuclear weapons since then. it's still basically those two kinds of weapons. pick one. it's either a uranium bomb or a plutonium bomb. for all of the complicated politics and history around this issue, the logistics of it are pretty simple. uranium is something that can be mined all over the world. it is a naturally occurring thing. when uranium comes out of the dirt, it contains less than 1% of the isotope that's useful in a nuclear context. so in the dirt it starts off at less than 1%. but if you enrich that uranium, if you enrich it to 4 or 5% of that particular isotope, well 4 or 5% that's the level that gets used in nuclear power reactors. but you don't have to stop there. you can keep going. you can keep enriching it by the same means from which you got from 1% to 5%, if you keep doing it eventually you will enrich it up to about 90%. then you've got something useful for a bomb.
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it's hard to do and you need a lot of raw material. it's hard to enrich uranium all the way to up weapons grade. all the way up to 90% plus. it's hard to do, but it's not that hard to do. and the nation of iran has been enriching uranium to 20% enrichment for quite a while now. in the new deal, the new framework of a deal announced with iran today, iran says they will stop enriching uranium to 20%. they are agreeing they are hereby agreeing that they will not enrich uranium above 3.67% for at least the next 15 years. because they have been enriching uranium for a while. they have a big stockpile already. they've got about 22,000 pounds of enriched uranium inside iran right now. as part of this framework deal announced today, they also said they'll give up that stockpile. they're going to give up 97% of the enriched uranium they've already got lying around. now the way you enrich uranium is you use centrifuges.
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you either use -- forgive me you either use lousy ones like these ones that were designed in the '70s. or you use good advanced new centrifuges that enrich uranium much faster and much more efficiently than the old ones. iran in total has about 19,000 centrifuges right now. in this new deal, they have agreed to go down from 19,000 to 6,000. and they agree that the 6,000 can only be the old crappy ones, not the good ones. so even if you just look at those little pieces of it, you can already see why this is a really big deal. but that's just uranium. there's two paths to the bomb, right? you can have a uranium bomb or a plutonium bomb. nagasaki style bomb is built with plutonium. plutonium is something that you don't just mine from the earth. you have to make plutonium. you can make plutonium for a nuclear bomb in basically two different ways. in nuclear power plants, after
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fuel rods uranium fuel rods are used to make nuclear power, they are called spent fuel rods. when they are spent fuel rods, they are freaking radioactive as all get out. that's part of why it's so anxiety producing to see the spent fuel rod pool totally screwed up at the fukushima power plant. that blew up in japan in 2011. spent fuel rods honestly are a little scary. they're a huge, dangerous nuclear waste problem and there are a ton of them at nuclear reactors all over the world that are just being piled up and piled up and piled up with nowhere to put them and everybody just hopes they are going to be safe. those spent fuel rods can also be reprocessed into plutonium. which can make a nuclear bomb. yay. that is another part of the deal with iran today. iran apparently does not now have the technology or know-how to make plutonium used in a bomb
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by reprocessing spent fuel from nuclear reactors. they apparently don't know how to do that right now. they have agreed in the framework deal today that they will not develop that reprocessing ability. they will not develop it or research it. there is however, one other way to get plutonium, and that is with a specific kind of reactor where you don't have to reprocess anything. it just produces plutonium as a byproduct. of running that reactor. iran has built one of those reactors. or at least is in the process of building one of those reactors at a place call arak. which is confusing because it sounds like iraq, but it is arak, a-r-a-k, which is both a delicious lebanese liquor that tastes like lick rich and the location of iran's heavywater reactor. today, they agreed to take their arak reactor apart so it won't make weapons grade plutonium anymore.
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look this is from the fact sheet they put out about the deal today. quote, iran has agreed to redesign and rebuild a heavywater reactor in iraq so it will not produce plutonium. quote, the core of the reactor which would have enabled the production of plutonium, that core will be destroyed or removed from the country. wow. so if iran does all of these things, they can, yes, still look up how to build an atomic weapon basically at the library. but all of us can do that. if this deal works as intended the idea is that they will not be able to get nuclear material to put in such a bomb. they will not be able to get either highly enriched uranium or plutonium. so therefore, they're basically aiming at what that waukesha trucker was able to do, but nothing beyond it. this is not a done deal. it is not signed. it is an agreement to try to work from here toward assigned deal by the end of june.
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the republican reaction to the announcement of this framework and the president's remarks about it today is exactly what you would expect. six years into the presidency, we know that's how he would react even though if he was announcing was that he had personally cured cancer. they would then be against that cure. the international reaction is basically elation that this vexatious issue that has been such a nightmare for so many countries on earth imagining iran with a deploybl nuclear weapon, there has been elation today that prospect might have been averted not with a war, but with the radical idea of talking it through. now the question is, is it enough, will it stick, and will we be our own worst enemies in trying to make it come true. joining us now is joseph rensioni, the man who i think is better than anybody in the country at explaining nuclear things.
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thank you for being here. >> thank you, rachel. >> first, let me ask you if i explained any of that wrong. >> that was brilliant. we got to package that. we got to show it at schools around the country. there was a couple of small details, but not worth getting into. >> oh, come on. go on. correct me. seriously. go on. >> the arak reactor. >> yes. >> it actually does make plutonium in the fuel rods and it does have to be reprocessed, which is why this agreement is so significant, because it bans iran from ever having a reprocessing facility. it assures that whatever fuel does come out after that reactor has to be shipped out of the country. so in addition to reconfiguring the core so it doesn't produce much to begin with there are all these redundant steps. why is this such a big deal? a few years ago israel was saying that reactor was the main threat. they were going to be able to produce plutonium and israel might have to bomb that reactor before they put the first load of fuel in. gone. no arak reactor to worry about. the plutonium path has been
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completely put up. >> let me interrupt you, joe. when they say that that should be rebuilt and reconfigured so that it doesn't produce large amounts of weapons grade plutonium, you're saying that you can't necessarily make it stop producing plutonium as long as it exists, they just have to make it produce that less efficiently and take it away the plutonium once it's made. >> exactly. every reactor core produces some plutonium in the fuel rods. the original design they would have been producing about eight kilograms, enough for about two bombs a year. completely reconfigure the core. less than one kilogram, not enough for a nuclear bomb. >> in terms of the objections raised by the israelis you mentioned that arak reactor. one of the things i know they have talked about is one of the facilities being basically unbombable. an underground facility that has been an enrichment facility. people were concerned that you couldn't enforce anything against it because it was too protected from even a military strike. what is the resolution of that in this deal? >> right.
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here's another threat we can start to check off assuming this deal is implemented. and all the details are worked out over the next few months. fordow facility, deep underground. israeli bombs can't penetrate. they really wanted the enrichment activities there to stop. that's what this deal does. we're going to leave some of the centrifuges, but they cannot be used for any uranium enrichment. they can be used to purify other gases that can be used for scientific purposes. and this is a ban that will last forever. that facility can never be used for uranium enrichment again. >> so much of these points of agreement, particularly that one that you just mentioned, they depend on iran basically being inspectable, right? >> yeah. >> that there being foreign scientists present, foreign inspector, total transparency that they can't cheat or occlude from international view what they're doing. that they can't cheat or occlude from international view what they're doing. what would be the consequences if they kicked some inspectors out? >> the iran nuclear complex is sprawling, but it's not
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infinite. with enough inspectors and cameras and safeguards, you can inspect this. that's probably the biggest breakthrough in this historic agreement today. iran has agreed to an a unprecedented level of inspection. such a deal has never been negotiated in the history of the nuclear age before. we're going to have cameras, seals, inspectors. we're going to track the uranium from the time it comes out of the mines through the processing until it's stored in cylinders as a gas. we're going to have the entire supply. we're going to have export controls. we're going to look at what they're importing and exporting. we're going to have inventory controls. we're going to be tracking the scientists, the engineers in these plants. if 200 scientists don't show up some day at natanz, we're going to go well, where are they? this gives you the assurance during the lifetime of the agreement you be able to catch iran should it try to sneak out
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or break out or creep out of this agreement. in addition to intelligence assets, we'll be in a much better position to detect covert activities. >> joe, do you think that domestic political pressure either in iran or in the united states is going to be strong enough to potentially derail this before they get to a final agreement at the end of june, or do you feel like this is going to be given enough breathing room to maybe stick? >> well, there's going to be a fierce fight. and you see, the people opposed this deal for political reasons are still going to be opposed to it. but this deal is so sweeping. it is so stunning in its detail that it's going to be very hard to resist it. there's already political victory today. mr. kirk who had just a few days ago claimed he had 60 votes to bring a new sanctions bill to the floor of the senate, he's just announced he's going to delay that to july. whereas a week ago, it was heading for action, now he can't even get a vote on it. i think what's going to be
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critical to this is when the american military and security establishment weighs in. this is a very convincing agreement. i think you're going to find broad support among national security professionals. >> president of the plow shares fund. thank you for your time tonight. thank you for letting me make you tell me i was wrong and how. i really appreciate it, joe. >> thank you, rachel. >> thanks, my friend. all right. we have lots more ahead including some more really interesting news interestingly about senator mark kirk of illinois. all of a sudden he's making a ton of news on huge national issues and it's for one very specific reason nobody's talking about. so we'll be getting to that. also more news out of the great state of indiana where republican leaders thought they were going to have a nice, calm week. it instead turned out to be pure, sometimes joyful chaos. details on that ahead. stay with us. >> our work is not yet done and success is not guaranteed.
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least come this far. they also seemed very psyched to see a certain president on iranian state-run tv. it was not their own president. look at this guy. he tweeted in farsi, selfie with obama. there were a lot of obama selfies. people taking pictures with their tvs. a lot of excitement. maybe that is because as of today their country is a bit less isolate, a bit less of an international pariah and seeing this particular speech on state tv in iran is a sign of that. it does not happen every day, that iranian state-run television airs a speech by the president of the united states. a lot of what happened today does not happen every day. this is a historic deal on a historic day even though it's not done yet. we'll be right back. (vo) maggie wasn't thrilled when ben and i got married. i knew it'd take some time. and her sensitive stomach didn't make things easier. it was hard to know why... the move...her food...? so we tried purina cat chow gentle...
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a year and a half ago, the al shabaab terrorist group pulled off an attack in downtown cosmopolitan nairobi that was almost impossible to believe. multiple attackers in broad daylight storage add crowded upscale shopping mall and started shooting and taking hostages. that siege went on for three nights and four days before all the attackers were killed. one of the hallmarks was that survivors said the terrorists tried to figure out who was a muslim and who wasn't among their hostages so they could try to specifically kill the non-muslims. the attackers reportedly asked people trivia questions about the koran and tenets of islam. and people who couldn't prove to these guys' satisfaction that they were appropriately muslim, those people were killed first. in all in the westgate mall siege, 67 people were killed. al shabaab had not always been so discerning about the faith of
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the innocent people they were massacring. their previous most deadly attack had been against people who dared to watch a world cup soccer match in uganda in july 2010. those uganda bombings killed 74 people absolutely indiscriminately. as strange as it is to say it those kinds of tactics were frowned upon by al qaeda under bin laden and under ayman al zawahiri after bin laden was killed. al qaeda central made a habit of advising other terrorist groups around the world who wanted to operate under the al qaeda umbrella that they should try to kill non-muslims more than muslims. so there is weird evidence that al shabaab may have made a shift in the tactics to try to kill fewer muslims but more non-muslims in order to specifically please the top leadership of al qaeda. al shabaab formally joined al qaeda in 2012. that would be after the uganda bombings, but before westgate.
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2012 is when they pledged allegiance to ayman al zawahiri. today, al shabaab carried out their deadliest attack yet in kenya, at the only public university in northern kenya. this school has been open only for about four years. it has about 900 students. today, just before dawn at about 5:30 a.m. local time, masked al hab bab shabaab gunman shot their way through the gates of the school and forced their way in and then they they just started killing people and taking hostages in the university dormitories. all the students had basically been asleep when the shooting started. one eyewitness told reporters that the gunmen at his door opened doors and screamed are you christian or muslim. he said, quote, if you were a christian, you were shot on the spot. it took two hours for security forces to arrive at that campus. and begin evacuating the students from the dorms. finally, it was after dusk. it was about 15 hours later when officials finally announced that the operation was over that they had killed four terrorists
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and the siege was done. 587 people were safely evacuated from that campus today, but at least 147 people, mostly students were killed. 147 people. a u.s. counterterrorism official tells nbc news today that al shabab had been planning this attack for a long time. it also seems important to know that president obama just this week announced that he is planning to visit kenya this summer for the first time during his presidency. kenya is a close u.s. ally. they're considered a very important ally when it comes to international terrorism efforts. but on their own soil with westgate a year and a half ago and now with this today at this campus kenyans are paying a terrible price on their own soil for the persistence of this group, al shabab. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping
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today in indiana, print reporters and camera people and radio journalists all rushed to the state capitol to hear what indiana governor mike pence was going to say now. they had been advised he was going to speak, so they got set and ready and waiting. and mike pence never turned up. want to know why? that's next.
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because you really do have to give up your existing job in order to make the run. well tammy duckworth announced this week she is doing it. she wants to challenge republican senator mark kirk of illinois. just on its own terms, this is going to be a really interesting race. we think of illinois as a blue state. they did elect republican senator mark kirk and a republican governor this past year. but 2016's going to be a presidential election year. presidential election year turnout tends to be much more favorable to democrats. mark kirk is an incumbent. it's always hard to pick off an incumbent. but if anybody has a good chance of doing so it's probably someone as impressive as tammy duckworth, someone with her record and her bio, who is a democrat running statewide in illinois in 2016. interesting on its own face, right? that's it. here's the really interesting part that just turned into the really important part. because even if tammy duckworth doesn't beat mark kirk next
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year, her entry into the race, the fact that mark kirk now knows he is going to have to run for reelection as a republican in a pretty blue state against a tough democrat against tammy duckworth, just her declaring that she is running is apparently already paying dividends with really important national implications. because tammy duckworth declared she was running on monday. within two days, republican senator mark kirk now announced two great leaps forward we had never heard anything from him about before. first he announced, as a republican, he is absolutely opposed to the discrimination bill that mike pence just signed in indiana. all the 2016 presidential hopefuls are all for that bill. but mark kirk came out against it. quote, i strongly oppose what governor pence did. we should not put bigotry under the cover of religion. it's not just bad practice, it's unamerican. okay. then he announced he will vote for loretta lynch to be the next attorney general of the united states.
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that puts the vote count on loretta lynch at 51 senators for the first time. the republicans in the senate are just maybe never going to allow a vote on her ever. but if they did put her forward now thanks to mark kirk's newfound enthusiasm for her, loretta lynch would pass. she would be confirmed by the senate. and that is particularly nice for the white house and for loretta lynch, because before mark kirk made this announcement, the deciding vote for loretta lynch was probably going to have to be bob menendez, who has just been indicted by the justice department on a dozen corruption charges. so honestly, in the name of decency, he really has no business voting on who should be the next head of the justice department, even though he said today he would be happy to cast that vote for her. i'm sure he would. wouldn't you like the chance to have the head of the department owe you one the day after the department just dropped a dozen felony charges on your head? i can.
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now with republican senator mark kirk pledging to provide the deciding vote for lynch instead, it's not only clear that loretta lynch will be confirmed if they let the vote happen it's clear that the vote won't have to come with a giant conflict of tra indicted senator asterisk on it for all eternity. so thanks tammy duckworth! congresswoman duckworth, i think you very well may beat mark kirk in illinois next election day. and i think you are more likely than not to take that u.s. senate seat in illinois and add another democratic woman to the u.s. senate chamber. but in the meantime just you announcing that you were running against kirk has already paid these huge dividends against mike pence and what he is doing in indiana. and for loretta lynch as the next attorney general of the united states. and as we just heard from joseph cirincione. maybe not throwing up the round deal.
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mark kirk is off that hobby horse too all of a sudden. today, in arkansas, we have some footage of republican governor asa hutchinson signing a fix to the mike pence style discrimination bill that the arkansas legislature recently passed. we have that footage of him signing the fix there. before the national outcry this week the against mike pence bill, asa hutchinson had been on track to sign basically the exact same legislation for arkansas, maybe even slightly worse legislation for arkansas. but after seeing the boycotts and the national condemnation erupt against indiana, governor hutchinson changed his mind and said he actually wanted that arkansas bill recalled or at least changed to alleviate those kinds of concerns. well, today he very happily signed that fix. with lots of cameras there lots of people there lots of people applaud inging as he did so. today, mike pence also signed that kind of fix in indiana. but we don't have any footage of him signing his fix. there was this weird moment this afternoon when reporters for some reason were advised that mike pence was going to make a
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new estimate about the latest whirl of his deservish as he has careened constitutecally through this issue in indiana. reporters showed up. the podium was set up. microphones were tapped. everybody was ready for mike pence. no mike pence. he never showed up. we are told that he did sign the supposed fix in indiana, but he did so in private. on no cameras, no reporters, no statements. not this time, not like the last time. so this has just been a remark week. this backlash against indiana has been profound as have its consequences. as of today, republican-led -- legislatures in texas, oklahoma north carolina and tennessee have all put on ice similar legislation, and georgia as well, similar legislation that they were all moving. in michigan, the republican legislature there had three of these bills pending. michigan governor rick snyder republican governor rick snyder of michigan said he would veto
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any of them that get to his desk. the backlash has been strong nationwide. the backlash has been so strong in indiana specifically that beyond this purported fix to save face on this mike pence bill indiana's republican-led legislature might now actually move for the first time to substantively protect the rights of lgbt people in indiana law. they're saying they might. >> the discussion about special class protection for the lgbt community is going to happen. all right? today has started that discussion. it will happen. and i think it's important for people to know that. >> that's the republican leader of the indiana state senate. and who knows if indiana will actually do it, but wow, what a difference a week makes, right? a week of unbridled national disgust can change things. in the big picture, it's turning out to be kind of the weirdest thing about this whole remarkable story is indiana just whipsaws on this issue, and mike
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pence completely collapses into incoherence. and all these other republican states around the country whipsaw on this issue and pull their bills and change their minds and realize they don't want to do something like what mike pence just did. in the midst of that this remarkable story. in the midst of that, every single one of the presidential candidates for 2016 who has commented on this issue has said they stand with mike pence. they stand with the unreconstructed mike pence. they stand with the bill that mike pence signed in the first place. so yeah like with this tammy duckworth challenge, mike kirk may now be blazing a new republican trail on this. but not a single one of the 2016 republican candidates with them. joining us now is ryan grim washington chief for "the huffington post." thanks for joining us. >> nice to be here. i should be clear that i don't know if rand paul has made any comments on this issue, now. i said all of candidates who have commented spoken in favor of what mike pence did. has rand paul talked about this
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at all? >> he hasn't and he's not going to talk about iran either. 's telling people -- well his spokesperson is telling people that he is quote, out of pocket, unquote, until april 7th when he is supposed to launch his presidential campaign. it's good timing for him to be out of pocket. but actually, it seems any week is pretty much good timing for republican candidate to be out of pocket. >> i wonder, though, thinking about rand paul on this just because he is in this unusual position where he is under sort of radio silence while there has been so much republican chaos on this issue, i wonder if that ultimately will be advantageous to him, because the republican party it feels like hasn't yet settled on what they're going to think of this issue. we do have all of these republican candidates saying they're in favor of what mike pence did originally. mike pence at least halfway and with no cameras there tried to
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undo some of this. we've seen all of the other republican leaders around the country, including very well-respected ones climb way down on this issue. they're thinking about an employment nondiscrimination act on lgbt issue news. is it clear to you how the republicans are going to settle on this? >> i think the republicans generally know -- i think republican presidential candidates outside of rand paul, i think it is pretty clear, that they're going to go as far right as they can on this. except you saw jeb bush who, you know he's a little bit rusty. coming out of the gate, he hasn't been a politician for a while. so the first time he was asked about it he said oh, well, i'm with mike pence. that's the kind of politician reaction. i'm with the base here. then he gets asked by silicon valley donors who are not with mike pence. he says, oh, well, i'm not with mike pence. he's clearly rusty. in private, he's the only one that's kind of wavered on this. but the other one, particularly ted cruz leading the way, scott walker marco rubio, they know that in iowa it's evangelicals
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and it's ethanol. those are the two things you have to win out there. rick santorum proved you don't need any money, you don't need a viable path to the white house to win in iowa. if you win in iowa and you have a little bit of money coming out out of there like ted cruz and scott walker will, then that's your ticket. and so cruz and walker and the other folks, they're all in with pence with the unreconstructed pence here to say look, republican activists, i'm your guy, i'm going to support religious liberty at this moment. >> fascinating. the dynamics and internal so close to them are so different than the national dynamics discussion. >> completely. >> it's very important to see it that way. ryan grim from "the washington post," thanks a lot. i appreciate it. >> thank you. it's very easy to look at those guys and say it's going to be an incredible political detriment to them to how the rest of the country feels on this issue. they don't care the way the rest of the country feels because most of the country doesn't
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vote. they're counting on the people who do care about this issue in a right wing way and in favor of what mike pence did in the first place, they're counting on those people voting at such a higher percentage than the average joe in this country that the politics of this makes sense for them to be as right wing as possible, even as the rest of the nation recoils. welcome to your low participation democracy. we'll be right back. a 401(k) is the most sound way to go. let's talk asset allocation. sure. you seem knowledgeable professional. would you trust me as your financial advisor? i would. i would indeed. well, let's be clear here. i'm actually a dj. [ dance music plays ] [laughs] no way! i have no financial experience at all. that really is you? if they're not a cfp pro you just don't know. find a certified financial planner professional who's thoroughly vetted at letsmakeaplan.org. cfp -- work with the highest standard. wow. sweet new subaru, huh mitch? yep. you're selling the mitchmobile!? man, we had a lot of good times in this baby. what's your dad want for it? ..like a hundred and fifty grand, two hundred if they want that tape deck. you're not going to tell your dad
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comcast business. built for business. so the man in this next video was the lieutenant governor of the state of alabama. he was a republican. this was 1999. and what the lieutenant governor appears to be doing in this clip is peeing into a jug in the alabama state senate chamber. the new republican lieutenant governor was caught in a filibuster fight in which democrats were trying to take away some of his powers. he decided he would rather pee in a jug than leave the floor and risk a filibuster. obviously i can't be totally sure this is the right tape. obviously you cannot see a jug. just a minute later the lieutenant governor does seem to be laughing about something that is out of sight on the floor. and he later brag about what he did. oh, alabama. politicians in alabama could not agree on anything at this time
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in 1999 to the point where they ended up peeing in jugs in the state senate. but there was one thing alabama lawmakers could and agree on that year. that same year that the lieutenant governor was paying into the judge, that very, very divided alabama legislature also voted unanimously in both chambers for a bill to help new mothers. the bill said that in alabama after a woman gave birth in the hospital in that state, she could stay in the hospital for two days after a typical birth, or for four days if the birth was more complicated. insurance had to cover that. moms in alabama because of that law have a right to rest after giving birth and to be looked after. they can't just be rolled out to the curb and sent home. that bill was drafted by a man whose wife died after giving birth in alabama. her name was rose church. she had not been given a $5 medical test that might have saved her life. she got sent home right after she had her baby and she died.
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her baby daughter survived, but she died. that newly widowed father brought their baby girl to that incredibly polarized state capitol day after day. he brought her in his stroller. with his infant daughter, he went door to door and asked lawmakers to pass rose's law, rose's law, named after his wife. so new mothers in alabama would never have to go through that again. the sight of that new father and that motherless little girl and the good sense of what they were asking for, was irresistible. the lieutenant governor put the law on the agenda. alabama lawmakers passed it unanimously five months to the day after rose church passed away. rose's law went on the books in 1999. simple nonpartisan, noncontroversial unanimous win for the political process and for public health and for alabama families. rose's law worked. it became the new normal in that state. no complaints. and then last year, in 2014, the
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doctor under whose care rose church died, that doctor decided to start a new career. larry stutts had started off first as a veterinarian. he then became an ob/gyn and then 2014 he decided he wanted to become a republican state senator. dr. larry stutts ran for office as an obstetrician. his campaign shirts said, quote, he delivered me and he will deliver in montgomery. larry stutts won that senate race by 70 votes. when he got to the state capitol in montgomery, he picked something to deliver. he decided he would work to get rid of the law that was named after his patient who died. seriously. freshman alabama republican senator larry stutts decided the state should repeal the law that gives women the right to stay in the hospital for a couple of days after they have a baby even though that law was inspired by the death of his own patient. it is literally named for his
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patient who died under his care when she was sent home too early. senator larry stutts enlisted the help of six other republican lawmakers to repeal rose's law. he said it was an obamacare style law that alabama needed to get rid of. all six of the other republicans who he recruited to be with him on this measure, they were all six men. all six were apparently not told by senator stutts that he had been the obgyn in the rose church case that led to rose's law in the first place that they were now signed on to repeal. they may not have known, but the alabama press soon figured it out. we spoke yesterday to rose church's husband, gene church who had worked so hard to pass that bill. he told us he had gotten word of senator stutts' bill from his now grown up daughter. mr. church said when he heard what larry stutts was trying to do, quote, i contacted a couple of reporters and said just google larry stutts and rose's law. it would have never occurred to
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me that he senator stutts would think this is a good idea. the resulting headlines in alabama and ultimately nationwide were clarifying. the alabama political reporter was the first outlet to report the story, and after they reported it they then ran one of the most brutal opinion pieces i have ever seen about any politician or any subject. quote, rose's law was passed to protect other women from the fate of one of his patients. yet he used obamacare as a cover for his past deeds. stutts sold his bill to senators comparing to it obamacare. the president may be the state republican's punching bag, but in this instance it was not a punching bag, but the body bag that contained the remains of rose church that was behind this act. senator stutts is arrogant and careless, and now we know he is evil. after a few days of miserable headlines for him and his colleagues, senator stutts withdrew his bill. to cut hospital care for new
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salem, oregon. it's called attack owl ipa. you may remember that oregon's state capital had an issue with a giant great owl that keeps attacking joggers there. we covered the story. our graphics department suggested a warning sign that got adopted by the city. they literally put it up as a warning sign. you can buy personal sized versions of the sign as a fund-raiser for the city's parks now. it's all very, very cool. as part of our ongoing coverage of salem oregon not only having an attack owl, but having the most generous and awesome possible attitude about their attack owl, we noted that one of the things that has happened in oregon since the owl started attacking joggers is that not one, not two, but three different oregon breweries have started brewing attack ole related beers. there is the attack owl ipa from vagabond which i got for my birthday. it is great, exactly the kind of beer i like, just delicious. there is also one called hoot
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attack from gilgamesh brewing, which usually uses the attack owl sign on its label. they're giving part of the proceeds on that to the parks. which is great. and because it's oregon, there's a three one. the al capone ipa from the mcminamen's brewery, which is what the local paper decided to give the name to the owl. oregon is a state which you can judge the importance of news stories by whether or not they result in the naming oh of a new beer. some places name weird holidays after things that are important to them. in valencia, spain, there's the holiday for throwing tomatoes at each other. i get it. everywhere is different. we all commemorate things differently. but where else is in america do they commemorate things do they signify important news events by christening new delicious beers to mark the occasion? because apparently it's not just owls in oregon. in the largest city in oregon, in portland, the airport has
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long had this slightly twitch inducing disco carpet, with the teal background and the purple asterisks thing going on. when local authorities announced that the airport was going to replace that carpet oregon got really upset about it. people apparently really love the carpet. that started a suspiciously wide phenomenon of people taking their own pictures with their feet on the carpet. it's mostly their feet. sometimes it's more than their feet. then the pdx carpet the portland airport carpet got itself a media presence, including an active twitter account. when they moved to roll up the carpet and put up new carpet, the port authority had the good sense to save a few thousand yards of the carpet that they pulled up. they licensed it to local businesses. so local businesses could turn the carpet into keepsakes. of the beloved airport carpet. and so yes, naturally that means there is a pdx carpet beer,
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because oregon, rogue ales makes the pdx carpet beer, i'm told it's delightful. and now because it's never enough, oregon has decided that at the annual starlight nighttime parade in downtown portland this year, the grand marshall of the parade will be the carpet rolled up wearing stick-on googly eyes and an airplane seat belt. because he is the pdx carpet, they call him peedee. the chairman says in any other city it would likely be considered weird to have a carpet as the grand marshall of the parade, but this is portland, oregon. oregon, thank you for the beer. thank you for taking good care around your attack owl. thank you for being the freaking weirdest state in the country, in a good way. a lot of states in this country are weird and not in a good way. you are weird in a really good way.
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>> now i know what i'm getting you for your next birthday. i'm going to find you a piece of that carpet. >> yes. >> and i have 364 days to find it. >> challenge accepted. thank you, my friend. well, president obama got a much better deal with iran than any outside observers of the negotiation expected, especially the president's critics. if the deal holds, it will be america's most important foreign policy achievement in decades. republican presidential candidates have been slow to react to the deal, because they are still in the process of changing their stories about what religious freedom should mean in indiana. >> tonight, the united states could be enter