trust. it's based on unprecedented verification. and it is a good deal. >> we have stopped a psycho that was not in the interest of anybody. >> the iranians want acceptance they want respect for their sovereignty. we want dates. we want times. we want numbers. >> if they don't earn the world's confidence then we have every option available to us then that is available to us today. >> first, they'll have to persuade congress and iran's skeptical neighbors. >> if congress kills this deal then it's the united states that will be blamed for the failure of diplomacy. >> religious rights and individual rights can coexist in harmony. >> the agreement follows intense national backlash when indian in passed a religious freedom law. arkansas's governor signed a revised version of that state's religious freedom bill. >> this bill is bipartisan it protects religious freedom. >> i was wondering how he was going to get out of this but i think he did very well. >> this whole thing to me has

been inspiring because of the way the whole country rallied around this issue. this is the way democracy should work. >> what a news day we have today. happy good friday everybody. welcome to "morning joe." it's the top of the hour. with us this morning we have news and finance anchor for yahoo! grow beanna and school of international and public affairs, dorian warren and mark halperin nbc news foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin. >> this is a night of a thousand stars. here's our trapeze artist. >> associate professor for the "washington post" -- have you ever seen ignatius on the trapeze? >> unbelievable. >> oh, please. please. you see that motion oh, please. >> it's just what i do. >> all in a day's work. it's just what i do. let's start with iran. that was amazing. i don't know if you guys are following overnight. >> what a big, big deal here. and you know it's crazy, you see the iranians dancing in the streets, cheering in the streets. this is a massive moment for

them. well, a lot of americans quietly wringing their hands trying to figure out whether we have just allowed a terrorist state legitimacy, that we're going to regret. and you don't even know because it's important to say, we're three months away from a final deal. >> exactly. we'll see how this plays out. there are definitely politics to this. for the first time in decades the u.s. and iran are looking at each other as partners on the heels of a nuclear deal that both sides are celebrating this morning. the two countries along with a group of world powers agreed to a framework that would limit tehran's nuclear program and the potential threat of atomic weapons. still, plenty of questions remain particularly from members of congress. we'll get to that in a moment. but first, the specifics of the deal. iran would reduce its centrifuges, convert a heavily protected facility to research and limit its ability to produce plutonium. in exchange the u.s. and eu would begin lifting economic

sanctions. under the deal the white house says it would take iran at least a year to develop a bomb. that's far longer than the current estimates of two to three months. but those limits only last for ten years. after which iran could step up production. after 15 years tehran could produce as much nuclear material as it wants. president obama calls the deal historic noting the unprecedented access for inspectors to verify iran's compliance. still, it's clear the president is anticipating a lot of pushback. >> so when you hear tin eftable critics of the deal sound off, ask them a simple question do you really think that this verifiable deal if fully implemented, backed by the world's major powers is a worse option than the risk of another war in the middle east? is it worse than doing what we've done for almost two decades with iran moving forward with its nuclear program and

without robust inspections? i think the answer will be clear. >> david ignatius, we're going to talk about the specific os of this deal, was it a good deal a bad beall, was barack obama and john kerry duped or historic transformative figures. as i put up this headline, for any of us who lived through, most of us on this set was too young except for mika who lived through it in a very painful way, what happened in 1979 the islamic revolution in iran the crisis. that is a pretty stunning headline. 36 years later the united states and iran agree to a deal any deal that they're even admitting that they're talking, a handshake, it wasn't too long ago a handshake would get leaders in trouble. >> i had a same feeling you did, joe. you have a feeling that today is one of those days in history where a hinge turns and you begin to enter a different period.

there's a lot of distance still to travel. one thing i can say about this agreement is looking at the details, seeing that many of them are, in fact, better than i hoped they would be i wish it was signed today. and the problem is it isn't signed. there's still a lot of hard bargaining to go to get it signed. but i do think it's an historic moment. it's really important to remember that you know not so long ago the anger between these countries was so intense that merely for americans to talk with iranians was unthinkable, let alone frame a nuclear agreement. >> david, for the type of transparency that this deal would call for, does the agency that would be doing the inspections and following through on that have the capacity? >> it has more capacity mika because of provisions that are in this agreement. this agreement allows essentially unfettered access for the u.n.'s watchdog agency the iaea to inspect iranian

facilities. i mean by that not only centrifuges but mine mill all kinds of things. >> sorry to interrupt. how do we verify that then? unfettered access. let's just say from what you understand this agreement lays out on paper, if the iranians follow that is there any way for them to cheat or do we goto verify? >> there's always a way to cheat. what this agreement has is the ability to monitor the iranian supply chain. all the things you would need to be putting into a bomb program. if they see any an nom louse elements why are they ordering that aluminum pipe what's that for? they can ask questions, track it down getting access, as i say, mine, mill other facilities. there's no guarantee ever that's

perfect against cheating. the argument the president makes is, this is as good a way of monitoring their sneak-out, break-out capabilityies we could have. imagine the alternative scenario when we didn't have the deal and we had no ability to surveil or control what was coming in. that was would be much worse. >> let's get reaction from iran itself now. let's go to tehran nbc news bureau chief there is ali. how are people reacting? we heard reports of dancing in the streets, celebration in the iranian government. what are you seeing yourself? >> reporter: well, willie, the news was announced last night iranians took to the streets they were nk hoing their horn flashing victory signs and waving iranian flags because they really really wanted this deal to come much more robust deal than we had anticipated peer. but i think that reflects how much pressure the iranian government was to deliver domestically. voted in on a mandate of

bringing iran in from the cold and relieving the country of heavy economic sanctions. if they weren't able to do that they would have faced a much great greater threat domestically than any threat from israel. now they've diverted that threat at home and sa riff has come home a hero. people are lit up on social media congratulateing him, telling him what a great job he's done. they can feel pretty secure at home. the last thing the regime wanted here was another fallout like they had after the 2009 elections and they truly, truly averted that. having said that hard liners in the country were quick to criticize the deal. today the hard line editor of a daily here he also is the adviser tort supreme leader says this was a great deal for the west and a disaster for iran. he used the metaphor that iran traded a ready to race horse for a broken bridle.

the last two weeks, the newspapers and things have been shut but i think tomorrow you're going to hear a lot more criticism from iran about this deal because hard liners has been anti-americanism have lost that reason right now and they're going to be struggling to find an enemy to blame their problems for. willie? >> yet as you say a lot of that celebration is because iranians feel like they got their economy back in this deal. ali, thank you. >> yeah and dorian i want to ask you. you also agree this is a historic unprecedented deal but it's all about the inspections, right? president obama said this is going to be the most inspected country in the world. if that fails all of this fails, right? >> that's right. i think all of this rests on the inspections. it has the potential to be a historic deal. there are a lot of details we don't know yet. again, we have until june to see the details. congress will have to review the details. it rests in the inspections, as david said. all sites have the iaea will have access to. any procurement transactions

related to a nuclear program, the supply chain, all of those things inspectors should have access to. as he mentioned, is there a possibility for cheating? yes. but the status quo right now is we actually have no access to any of their sites. this allows access from area international team of inspectors. we will have more surveillance capability potentially under this deal than we do now. and that's compared to what the -- to the status quo. >> ayman, you know the united states we're focused so much on how the republicans and some democrats on capitol hill are going to respond, as well as israel. but what about the other sunni states? that's what we americans seem to forget about more that a group of people that are more concerned about this than republican senators or congressmen or, you know israel actually are the sunni arab states the gulf states. what's their reaction? >> i think there's two things that jump out very quickly in terms of how the arab world will react.

one is the specifics of the deal, whether or not it's going to curtail iran does it empower iran does it not empower iran what does this mean for their own nuclear posture. does that push them to do -- pursue their own nuclear objectives? >> ayman, should we expect saudi arabia to be developing a nuclear program now? >> i don't necessarily think as a result of this deal that you're going to see a major shift in any of these country, nuclear posture, so long as the deal is intact and it's going to depend on what happens in congress if the deal does actually stick come june 30st, i think it's not going to change a lot in the region. but the deal itself the fact that the u.s. in iran were able to strike a deal that's going to change. this is a transformative moment in the middle east because you now have the united states and iran sitting at a table talking about one of the most pressing issues. that is now more of a major concern for some of the sunni/arab countries in terms of what's happening in the region. if they're talking about the

nuclear program it could pave the way for them to talk about iraq yemen syria, and that could be a major cause of concern. >> ayman you mentioned congress. let's get to reaction. it didn't take long for potential 10 20 16 candidates to reaction of a nuclear deal with iran and it would be an understatement to say republicans are not really that pleased. >> jeb bush called it a fraud agreement, these negotiations began by president obama's own admission, as an effort to deny iran nuclear capabilities, but instead will only legitimize those activities. >> from governor scott walker. president obama's dangerous deal with iran rewards an enemy, undermining our allies and threatens our safety. >> and mike huckabee tweeted, quote, letting the iranians have no nuclear devices makes no more sense that giving a pyro maniac a can of gasoline and a box of matches. >> other possible republican hopefuls also took to the twitter to criticize the

agreement. but, but there was some good news. former secretary of state hillary clinton seems supportive of the deal saying in part, quote, i know well that the devil is always in the details in this kind of negotiation. there is much to do and much more to say in the months ahead, but for now diplomacy deserves a chance to succeed. >> meanwhile, senator tom cotton, the man who wrote the republicans' controversial letter warning iran that any deal that they got would not be able to be held up said he's going to do everything he can do to stop the deal, calling it a complete capitulation for the united states and sad day for our country and hope for world paste peace. mark halperin a lot of conservatives would agree with tom cotton and a lot of supporters of israel would think any deal is a bad deal. what's it going to look like on capitol hill over the next three months? >> look any -- there's a class of people in the country and in the world who think any deal involving barack obama and iran is going to be a bad deal. they're not interested the specifics. as david ignatius said there's plenty more in here than a lot

of skeptics thought there would be. the devil is in the details. the president will have to keep democrats in congress onboard. and if you look at some signs of republicans and conservative voices the "wall street journal" lead editorial today, very skeptical of the deal but they don't say it shouldn't from considered at all. same with the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, senator corker. even john mccain wasn't totally negative about the deal. the challenge for the president in the short term to keep congress from going in a way that will overturn the deal is to keep democrats onboard and right now the voice early for even democrats hawkish on this issue are supportive. more in line with hillary clinton than tom cotton. >> and of course yesterday, willie you had richard haass very negative about negotiations, negative at the tactics. but actually looked at the deal and, like david ignatius said, this is better than i expected. >> as did one brzezinski

congratulateing the parties on the deal. >> ah. >> no. >> david ignatius -- >> i would believe him. >> david ignatius let me ask you, you alluded to it earlier. before we have victory parades there are three long months between the next deadline. all we have right now are the framework. what are the odds the deal takes place and that nuclear -- iran's nuclear capability is crippled for the next 15 years? >> well, look the wor iry iryisome thing yesterday i thought was the difference between the very detailed four-page itemized summary of the deal that the u.s. was putting out and the page and a half thin elusive description read jointly as joe as the foreign minister and eu's top diplomat fredericka. as if they were describing two different deals. i'm told that in the teal candeal

that the u.s. is distributing there is language that is still bracketed. that is to say, the final agreement by both sides, that the brackets should be taken off and the language is operative isn't there yet. that's got to happen in the next three months. i would also note two problem areas that even the supporters of the deal within the negotiating team tell me worry them. one of them involves the question of sampg shunnctions. once upon a time the u.s. was hoping to unscrew sanctions bit by bit as the iranians were showing they were serious about compliance. as i read the deal they're all going to come off together once the deal is in effect. so we lose a lot of leverage. that's -- that's a mistake. the other problem area is research and development. does this really constrain iran's ability to build a whole new scary generation over the ten-year term of the deal? it seems that they do.

>> so 16 1/2 minutes in i feel like we've barely scratched the surface of this. still ahead on "morning joe," top officials will weigh in on the nuclear deal with iran. the state department's tony blinken and madeleine albright and the top spoke man for benjamin netanyahu mark regey. plus, a live report from germany where new evidence suggests the intentional crash -- >> can you believe this news? >> no. it was not a spur of the moment decision. what investigators found on the suspect's computer. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. woman: it's been a journey to get where i am. and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track. and through it all my retirement never got left behind. so today, i'm prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be.

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20 past the hour. troubling new details are emerging into the investigation of germanwings copilot andreas lubitz. french investigate irs announced that lubitz repeatedly sell rated the plane before descending and crashing into the french alps.

the revelation comes from the early reading of the second black box found yesterday at the crash site. officials say it appears lubitz appears the automatic pilot to begin bringing the plane down but adjusted that numerous times to make the plane speed up. lubitz' ipad tablet is providing key details. nbc's katie tur has the latest. >> reporter: inside lubitz' dusseldorf apartment german investigators hope to learn more about who he was and why he would allegedly crash the plane. they released some of what they found on lubitz's tablet computer. the user name, the personal correspondence and entered search words carried the conclusion that the device was used by the copilot said prosecutor. from march 16 to march 23 the week leading up to the crash, lubitz studied medical treatments, various ways and possible methods of committing suicide, and that he spent several minutes on cockpit doors and their security measures.

>> really is frightening and a lot of us is trying to figure out how do you prevent this from happening in t future. some people looking to canada. canada is requiring two crew members to always be in the cockpit that follows of course our lead here in the united states. but canada already has extensive mental health resources available to pilots. and screening requirements for the doctors. first, the pilots are required to get checked up annually by government doctors who look for psychological issues and stress triggers. and, if a pilot reports problems themselves there's a whole separate list of protocol for doctors to let airlines know. but canada's law also requires family doctor even family doctors, to report any problems to the government but in the way that officials say tries to avoid stigmatizing crew members. get them back to work. they're going to have to do it. here's a guy that he may have

had depression but it was much more than that. he had serious mental problems. he went -- he was doctor shopping right, like five six doctors. >> this is why i have a problem with lufthansa's ceo. he was 100% capable of flying this plane. wow don't know the details yet. just wait. same thing with the black boxes. the passengers didn't know what was going on don't worry, they weren't in a panic. we hear otherwise when the black boxes come out. >> you hear them screaming. >> we keep hearing the word suicide, it was a homicide. he killed 150 people. i think suicide is not the right term here. >> think about all the doctors that knew this guy was not ready to fly. and if they all knew there and he went doctor shopping and he had all of these different problems and one of the doctors said you are not prepared to fly, i think a lot of airlines and a lot of countries are going to have to adopt laws like canada's that requires a doctor to report because, you know --

>> not only that the doctor handed him the note. didn't report it to his employer. what good is that? >> i know. that's what canada says if there's reason to think that people may be in danger, they've got to report it. >> some of the lufthansa executives could be criminal charges. coming up we are just two days awe way from baseball's opening day and we have a preview of the 2015 mlb season ahead. but first, former secretary of state madeleine albright says the obama administration should be proud of the nuclear deal with iran but what about the potential pitfalls to cutting deals with a state sponsor of terrorism? we'll ask her about that when she joins us next. no one thinks they're going to be in an accident. which is why no one wants insurance. so we go cheap. you know, because we're never gonna need it. until one day, we do. now that cut-rate policy is costing us big. makes you wonder if there's something

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there will be a lot of insight into the iranian program. we already have a lot. we found over the course of the last months that the -- the interim agreement, everybody agrees has been lived up to. therefore, this feeling we don't have the ability to be able to put the tracking in place that we need. >> secretary of state john kerry speaking there with nbc's andrea mitchell rejecting concerns the u.s. would not know if iran is breaking its nuclear agreement. joining us on the phone from cambridge, massachusetts, we have former secretary of state

madeleinal bright. here onset we have the director of the earth institute and columbia university, economist dr. jeffrey sachs. >> secretary albright what's your take on the deal? is it verifiable? did we negotiate a strong deal? >> i think it's a good deal because i think as the president said, it meets our core objectives. i think that what is important about it, it has cut off a way for iran to develop a nuclear program in terms of not being able to develop weapons grade plutonium and also that it can't operate -- go through pursuing the enriched uranium route because of things that have been shut down and the number of sentry fumesent ry funlgs that have been reduced an set up an international inspection program. so i think it has the elements of it. obviously there's going to be a lot of work that has to take place between now and june. but the framework of this looks

as though we have accomplished what was wanted in order to not have iran be able to have a breakout period that was shorter. now it's up to a year. and so i think it's a very important agreement. >> madam secretary, how is this deal going to be different from the type of deal that we struck with north korea that we thought was a solid deal that ended up allowing the north koreans to have cover to build a nuclear weapon? >> well, i think that what is going to happen here is a stronger, as i understand it, stronger international verification verification, more powers involved in being really garn ors of it through the p five plus one concept and always being very vinlggilant about it and pushing and purring. and pushing. i think the various aspects are going to be build out as the discussions go on between now and june. i think people are aware of the problems that the north korean

issue created. >> secretary albright some critics are being pretty strong against this deal. some even saying it's like giving a pikeyro maniac gasoline and matches and it allows iran ultimately to make a nuclear weapon. what do you say to that? >> first of all, i think we have had iran with the potential to have a nuclear weapon for a long time and this is a way to limit it and have oversight oef it. i think we have the choice obviously of doing nothing. they could already be doing what people are concerned they might be doing. we now have a control system over it. i can't visualize that it would be better not to have anything or in fact to think about a bombing campaign against iran now. i think that option is always on the table but i think what's happened here diplomacy has produced a very viable framework

agreement that in fact will limit the capability of iran to have a nuclear weapon. >> secretarial light, good morning. it's willie geist. my question to you is that over the last i don't know 40 years or so you and others have been frustrated trying to deal diplomatically with iran. so what's different about this moment? why did the two parties come to the table? why did iran agree to sit down with the united states at this moment in history? >> well, i do think that the sanctions made a difference. they did bring iran to the table. i think everything that i have studied shows that iran's economy has really been hurting. there also are new leaders in iran who see the viability and the importance of this. and i think it's interesting from, again, what i read is that the supreme leader the ayatollah, has agreed to this and i do think that this steps to having a really airtight kind of an agreement are going to be taken now as part of the

development of the framework. but i think the difference is the sanctions, i believe, have really worked and the international pressure on iran. >> madam secretary, how concerned are you that this could alienate some of our historic allies in the region saudi arabia and egypt? >> i think we have to really explain to them and others that this is ultimately for their benefit. they do not want to have iran as a nuclear power amidst them and i certainly -- one of the concerns people had is if iran develops a bomb then the others might be going in that direction also. i think they have to see it as a way of helping to stabilize a region and that it might, in fact, lead to a lot of other discussions about what's going on in the region the iranian, other activities throughout that are clearly creating difficulties that the arab countries are getting together to mitigate. >> all right. big day. secretary albright, another big

day. thank you for reminding me about it. she called -- thank you for calling me to remind me about my dad's birthday. >> former secretary of state, one day a year mika's mind does and she calls, your father's birthday. the brzezinski not warm and fuzzy. >> it just proves i'm family. right? we do that for each other. >> you are. thank you very much. see you soon. >> very good. take care. let me before we bring in our next guest, let me ask you, david ignatius because obviously the 1994 deal with north korea still haunts many americans who saw that like this as a landmark deal that ended up providing north korea cover to develop nuclear weapons. how is this different? >> well, it's different in that it does have better more intrusive monitoring of the program. it also has a group of states that have agreed an iranian num clar program is not in their,

the world's, interests. the case of north korea, the negotiating coalition was always looser and the chinese who are key party often had a kind of uncertain attitude toward north korea. so i think this is different in that respect. again, what bothers me is getting them to yes, getting them to actually sign this deal and all of the provisions we talked about you know i'll feel better if that happens. >> all right. let's bring in professioner of international relations at the harvard condition difficult school of government. former ambassador anything clause nicholas burns. i wonder what you think the significance of, if any, symbolic of iranians dancing in the streets on news of the deal? >> i think the iranians feel delivered but i agree with david ignatius that this is not oef yet. this deal is to be completed by june 30th and the devil is going to be in the details. i support this. i certainly support diplomacy.

but we ought to have a very very high bar for when we finish this deal and, remember, of course, that iran needs this deal a lot more than the united states does. that might give us a negotiating advantage. but as secretary albright said it does cut off their pathway to a nuclear weapon. the iraq heavy water reactor is going to be neutralized. the enrichment is going to be scrutinized. the verification provisions here are very strict. i think what makes it different, mika from north korea is this iran's a trading nation. they need capital investment. they need export their oil and gas. and that's why the sanctions have been so effective here. the whole world has sanctioned them. that is not the case with north korea who lives in not very splendid isolation. >> jeffrey sacks we brought you on to defend tom cotton's position on this. >> there you go. i think this point that iran really wants a way out of the sanctions and needs a way out of the sanctions is very important. the sanctions have worked.

that's quite interesting and quite important as a lesson. it brought them to the negotiating table. it brought this agreed. they want a way out and the people dancing in the streets are dancing in the streets because they've seen the economy plummet, high inflation, all the cost of isolation. >> did you agree with nick burns that iran needs this deal more than the united states? >> i think we both need this deal. this is a truly a win-win. it reminds me of 50 years ago when john f. kennedy signed the nuclear test ban treaty with the soviet union and many people said oh, you can never trust them. that treaty held. what's interesting for me is when kennedy was negotiating that treaty our allies were saying no, don't do it don't do it but they turned out to be wrong. kennedy turned out to be right. it was a win-win deal at this point, too. i think this is very strong. this is a big triumph for the president but it's also -- we should remember more than i think, the discussion has noted, china, russia britain, france.

this is not just the united states. these are all the major powers saying this a good deal. >> wow. >> ambassador burns, you said you liked the deal it's a good deal but what are some of your concerns going forward? a lot of people have zeroed in and focused on verification and being able to keep tabs on what iran is doing with its nuclear program? >> that is a key provision. we've got to be able to have intrusive continuous on-demand inspections. and we've got to keep those provisions strong for june 30th. the other thing we've got to do because i assume that the iranians have been guilty of deception time and again in the past. they've lied about their program. i think you have to assume going forward it's going to happen again. so you're doing to have to have the ability for what the president called snap back sanction sanctions, at least the united states and europe could put sanctions back on the we see violations. but i think jeff is right that the real key reason for doing this is that we've got the entire world with us all the permanent members of security

council and you've got to measure this deal against netanyahu's option which is basically walk away. if that happens i fear the sanctions regime would dissolve and international unity would disappear and we would be in a weaker position. so that's why i support what's happening. i served in the bush administration when we began this negotiation ten years ago. i think president obama has done very well to carry it forward. >> all right. ambassador burns thank you very much. dr. sachs, if you could stay with us that would be great. we said this morning the details has its fair share of critics. >> but mika you've got to say, you take what everybody said yesterday, what they've said over the past week, what news reporters are saying coming out of there, this is a much better deal than many many people expected. we kept saying i kept saying that based on the news reports they looked like they were too desperate for a deal. >> it looked shaky. >> but the devil is in the

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california reeling. brazil brazil, sao paulo, 25 million people extreme water short an also. middle east, extreme drought in is global climate change. >> jerry brown calls this the new normal. is this the new normal? >> recent studies said we are heading to more and more mega droughts in the u.s. southwest and the plains states. this is what is suggested as the warming continues. >> so i read an article a couple weeks ago that it is unfortunate for climate change believers that the coldest area in the world this year contains some of the most influential people and thinkers, et cetera, of course the east coast. but we were talking about the world map. >> yeah. >> it seems to actually underline everything that people have been warning about about climate change. it's not just getting hotter. it's the extremes that matter the most. >> it's crazy. this was the hottest winter in the world on record. >> what?

>> but the coldest here. and there's one -- just the jet stream dipped very far south. we pulled in this massive polar air in new york and it's annoying. >> it is. >> it's annoying. >> if we're the only place in the whole world that was cold. >> fu look at a world map that talks about temperatures you will see and willie and i were talking about this before, it's red everywhere across the world. >> exactly. >> except for 30 rock. >> at 30 rock it's 30 below. jeffrey sachs and i say, let's reverse this next year. >> i like the earth's institute's analysis that it's quote, annoying. >> annoying. annoying in california here. >> dr. sachs, thank you very much. coming up mike barnicle is warming up his seat at fenway. the mlb network will invade our set next with a look at the new season. oh, my god, opening day, two days away. keep it right here on "morning joe."to e. and then i saw him slowly coming down the aisle.

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central, weekdays at 10:00 a.m. that starts on monday. good morning, guys. >> that's not a morning show. >> complaining about getting up early. >> 5:30 is a morning show. 10:00? that's brunch. >> did you play 16 seasons? >> 16 years. >> wow. >> wow, he played a long time. >> first date i didn't come off the bench, i don't think. >> we've got to point out something right off the top a little conflict of interest here. mark derosa and i were high school rivals. it was a little one-sided for his school but he was the quarterback of the football team, baseball star, the whole thing. i was living in atlanta, my first year out of college. i'm drinking a beer up in the cheap seats and i here the pa guy go now batting mark derosa. i went derosa in the bigs? >> you were like my life sucks. >> are you kidding me? >> i'm in the cheap seats. >> he should have called me. i could have got him down on the

field. >> first big league ab was against? >> randy johnson. >> how many pitch snes. >> four pitches and it was over pretty quick. >> all right. what's the year look like? >> a lot of good teams. seattle is ump jumping off the table at a lot of people. washington nationals obviously got a couple of guys banged up but their starting rotation could be one for the ages. so look for those two teams. but we were forced to predict the other day and i got the l.a. dodgers winning the world series. >> out on a limb there with $600 billion payroll, dodgers. >> i think the nationals and mariners and they said that's the sexy pick. >> there's a lot of cleveland apologists in the baseball circles these days. people seem to think that the indians are ready to make a move here this year too. i'm not jumping out with any predictions because it makes me look silly every year. >> do what what we do and just talk about east coast teams here. let's talk about the yankees. how are the yankees going to look? >> they could be better than

people understand. if these guys are healthy that is tanaka and c.c.sbasthia they could look good. rodriguez looked better than in the spring. >> tampa and saw him. you could close your eyes and listen to the sound of the bat coming off the ball and you know it's alex. >> what about boston? >> more than 72 wins like that? >> so boston -- >> not fifth in the east. >> boston has gone from what? worst to first to worst. barnicle's predicting first again. is he dreaming? >> do you like pablo and handily? >> yeah. we'll see. >> yeah. >> i don't think that's a stretch. with them winning the division is not a stretch at all. look at the giants every other year they twin world series. for boston every other year to win the division, i would buy it. >> the orioles? >> the orioles didn't do much but i trust that play from buck

show sho sh showalter for two years. they kind of addition by not really doing anything. >> it's awesome to see buck work a couple years ago in the postseason everything was so calculated. it's cool. >> pensacola boy. >> a year ago at this time we were at wrigley field for opening day. a lot of people around that organization said not this year but we have a great minor league system. we keeb hearing about that with the cubs. do they break through a little bit this year? >> i played there for two years and i'm dying for them to get back to the postseason. yeah i don't want to say that i have a breakthrough but they're going to be a heck of a lot bet we're if additions of jon lester. they got guys from the minor leagues, chris bryant created a stir in spring training. he will be up in two weeks. >> nl east let's go to another team that suffered for a very long time. the new york mets. we always see mets caps around here. how are the mets going to be this year? >> you answer that lauren. >> bad news with wheeler.

harvey is back. i saw him in spring and i thought it would be easy for him to go out and try and prove, a young guy after that kind of surgery. he didn't. he was methodical and patient. so the future is coming. maybe not now. >> matt harvey has a kind of rock star dynamic about him that i think the mets have lacked for the last few years. >> courtside at the knicks? >> yeah he's unafraid. he likes to put himself out there socially and he's pretty much a big stud on the field. so that's -- i think that's what that -- >> socially. i love it. >> i know what irmean. >> i think i do know what you mean. they said that of some on this -- what about really quickly, again, you brought up washington. we have a lot of people that watch this show in washington, d.c. everybody feeling good about the nationals? >> i would say they are the most positive pick for everybody. their starting rotation could technically be one for the ages with mack scherza and

strassberg. they're going to start the year with a couple of guys banged up. >> another one of d.ros former players. i played there for a couple of months. >> 16 years. you're going to play for a few teams. >> great to see you. >> i want to present this to you because you were nice enough to come on the air with us. >> thank you. >> sorry. >> sorry we couldn't find a better picture. we just wanted you to remember your appearance. >> wonderful gesture. >> couple of days to the season. this is how we spend our time. >> going over the fireplace. thank you. >> home office or something. fantastic. that's great. >> matt lauren mark thank you. you can catch "mlb central," their morning show weekdays at 10:00 a.m. that's not a morning show. it premiers monday. it's going to be good. >> thanks guys. coming up how will the nuclear agreement with iran impact the race for 2016? we'll take a look at what some of the top candidates in both parties are saying. and dan seymour and joe klein

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every someday needs a plan. talk with us about your retirement today. top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." lock at that beautiful sun rise. mark halperin dorian warren david ignatius all still with us as we cover a lot of news this morning. huge, huge day. >> really is a big day. and we'll see, you know, what

happens move forward. this is just the first of two steps. we got a general agreement and now they've got to hammer it out between you and june 30st and see what happens. not only in congress but also what's going to be happening across the middle east and the gulf states. >> the reaction across the world is fascinating. for the first time in decades the u.s. and iran are looking at each other as partners on the heels of a nuclear deal that both sides are celebrating. the two countries, along with a group of world power, agreed to a framework that would limit tehran's nuclear program and by extension the potential threat of atomic weapons. that is nbc's andrea mitchell reports, there is still plenty to hammer out. >> reporter: talks that almost broke down an agreement far more specific than many had expected. the weary negotiators set off to sell it back home. as president obama launched what will be a tough campaign. >> if iran cheats the world will know it. if we see something suspicious we will inspect it.

iran's past efforts to weaponize this program will be addressed. >> reporter: it requires iran not to enrich uranium to weapons grade for 15 years. to reduce its number of operating nuclear centrifuges from 19,000 to just over 5,000, to increase the time it would take to make a bomb from a few months to a year and to convert its underground plutonium reactor to peaceful research. u.n. inspectors will have full access to all of iran's nuclear facilities and iran gets relief from sanctions only if it meets its commitments. iran's foreign minister shah riff claimed victory on sanctions. >> when we implement our me showers there won't be no sanctions against islamic republic of iran. >> reporter: he and kerry couldn't greet on when sanctions would be lifted. zarif tweeted, there is no need to spin using fact sheets so early on. zarif and kerry also couldn't agree on a joint statement. if you couldn't agree on standing up together and announcing together exactly what

you've agreed on here what makes you think that in the next three months you're doing to actually come to an agreement? >> because there's a great deal of difference for them between what happens now and where this goes and what can happen when you have a final signature. >> do you think you can get a deal by june? >> i'm not promising anything nor is the president. what we've done is opened up the opportunity. >> reporter: but first they'll have to persuade congress and iran's skeptical neighbors. >> joining us now from jerusalem the chief spokesman for prime minister benjamin netanyahu mark regev. thank you for being on this morning. sir, is there anything in the deal that the prime minister likes? >> my pleasure. well if you look at the deal as a whole, it's a problem. we see it as a step in the wrong direction in a very dangerous direction. i mean the deal leaves iran with an enormous and extensive nuclear infrastructure. it doesn't close down not even

one uranium nuclear facility not one. it leaves iran with thousands of centrifuges. iran can continue to enrich. and iran can continue to work on research and development to make even more efficient and quick centrifuges. these are all matters of concern. but the biggest area of concern is this is a regime that is exporting its version of the islamic revolution to iraq to syria, to lebanon, and as you know very well to lebanon, to yemen as well. and this is a regime that says my country should be destroyed. now they want the nuclear power to implement that evil design. we can't allow it to happen. >> david ignatius with "the washington post" is with us. he has a question for you. >> mark, i wanted to ask you. precisely because iran is such a threatening force in the region especially towards israel the administration would argue that

having the kind of intrusive monitoring of just what iran is doing is actually israel security interest. do you not buy that? >> we have seen and i think you would probably agree with this we have seen over the years monitoring is highly problematic when you're dealing with authoritarian, to tall tearian regimes committed to concealment. how long was it before we found out about the i'll his it facility in cong? how long was it before we found out about netance. they were building them for years before we found out about either one of those two places. so there's a whole question what to inspect, where do you inspect, what do you know what do you not know? and to base your defense, the defense of my country, the defense of the region and the defense of the united states on

inspectors when their value a t least questionable, we think is very precarious. >> let me ask you, mark what's the alternative? china is not going to stay shoulder to shoulder with the united states. neither is russia. and chances are good france and britain, neither, if we walked away from the table and said let's just keep the sanctions moving forward? what's the alternative to a deal? >> the alternative is to keep up the pressure until you get a good deal a deal that does significantly roll back iran's nuclear infrastructure a deal that insists on a change of iranian behavior. they must stop their aggression in the region. they must stop their global support for terrorism, and they must stop calling for my country's destruction. that's a good deal. >> right. >> you raise the question about other trading partners russia and china. it's a fair question. we believe our analysis is on this -- >> okay.

we lost the feed from mark regev. we thank him so much. >> we got to go -- >> got him back? okay. let's go to mark halperin. mark has the next question. >> i was going to answer your question on -- >> mr. regular give would you government -- will your government now lobby the u.s. congress to try to get them to oppose this deal? >> we'll be studying our case. we will be doing that publicly. it's very important for us to state our case because this for us is a matter of the fundamental security of all our is it septembers, our scitizen, our country. iran are nuclear weapons is a dire threat. not only to the region though to the region. arab countries, important major arab countries totally share our view in this issue. until arabs and israelis agree, when we agree, it's time to pay attention. i would also remind you this is

a threat to the united states itself. why is iran building intercontinental ballistic missiles? they're not building them to attack israel. they can do that. they are building it to continental ballistic missiles to hit targets way beyond the har rye zone targets in the united states. they're a threat to you, too. we can't in any way, i think, underestimate the danger of an iranian regime a regime committed to the export of the islamic revolution with nuclear weapons. >> markregev, thank you for being on the show. and joining us chris jansing. chris, president obama spoke by phone with benjamin netanyahu last night aboard air force one. let us know what you can about that conversation you just heard mark regev saying they would be stating their case. >> yeah. let's not kid yourself that these are tough conversations but the president laid out what

he thinks his best arguments are. he made the point to benjamin netanyahu to look this doesn't affect in any way the united states feeling about iran sponsor terrorism or the threat to israel but here's why we think this is the best going forward forward. this is just one part of a big sales job this white house has to do. he said yesterday in the rose guard ten that he's inviting persian gulf leaders to come the camp david in the spring. he's already started calling congressional leaders. they have really had their hands full up until this point. i mean yesterday we saw as the president was giving that 20-minute speech this visible celebration almost as his aides were standing in the kol nad. we saw susan rice doing a fist bump. this was an incredibly tough negotiation. but now the second part of this which is incredibly challenging moves ahead obviously with members of congress with international leaders. but just getting the

negotiations done, talking to people who were in that room they talked about it being the worse -- the most difficult, the most complex negotiation they had ever been a part of. and there was also so many points along the way, according to the people who were involved in it when they didn't think it was going to get done and just yesterday one senior aide here at the white house said to me it was just a question at that point of physical limits that these negotiators were reaching. they had been operating on one- and two-hours sleep a night. i think the people who were in the room the people in the white house in some ways have been as surprised as a lot of other folks about what actually came out in this deal. but that doesn't mean it's going to be easy to sell it mika. >> all right. chris jansing, thank you so much. one or two hours of sleep a night. >> best time to negotiate the safety of the whole world. >> exactly. certainly couldn't see that in john kerry's face. yes. exhausts themselves. the susan rice fist bump.

see that a lot this weekend. >> peace in your time. >> peace in our time exactly. >> just a step. >> any time anybody quotes chamberlain makes me tingle all over. excited in the streets of tehran. excited, of course around the white house. the question is, how excited are they going to be on capitol hill? >> that's right. and it's also a question of whether the bar was set so low we have almost no expectations this time yesterday, quick turn around, to this morning. >> they won the expectations game, there's no doubt about that. >> oh, yeah. some of the republicans, and i say this as carefully as possible because i sort of have been doing the same thing on them, but they have been so critical of this deal from the get-go, as has bibi netanyahu. the credibility of their criticism is a little bit in question. they were dissing the deal before it existed. >> again, david ignatius i don't know exactly what a proper analogy would be but i suppose if we're going to do a sports analogy you would say here at

halftime. the toughest part of the game comes in the third and the fourth quarter and we're not even close to the end. that of course comes on june 30th. >> we're at halftime. i would say, you know you've got a lead you've got a good deal you've got to protect it. you've got to get all of the way to the end of the game until the whistle blows. and you do have some elements about which there clearly is disagreement between the u.s. and iran. that's the thing that worries me. in these final three months the two sides have different interpretations. so you know strap in for a lot more late nights, i have a feeling, or john kerry is going to get his ambien back. >> he's going to need that. what's that saying it's halftime in america, who says it so well? >> clint eastwood. >> that was clint. >> yes he was. did he say it to the chair? i can't remember. >> come on. >> come on. what? >> loving would be so much

better. >> i don't. >> why? let's turn to domestic issues. after days of mounting criticism indiana and arkansas have changed their laws that supporters say protect religious freedoms. nbc news' gabe gutierrez reports on what two governors hope is a last chapter in a saga that reignited the culture wars in america. >> reporter: indiana republican lawmakers announced an unlikely compromise. >> religious rights and individual rights can co-exist in harmony together. >> reporter: the agreement follows intense national backlash when indiana passed a we are lidge jous freedom law, the new language spells out the law does not authorize a provider to refuse to offer or provide services on the basis of sexual orientation or jebder identity. >> why wasn't this language included in the first place? >> well, honestly the language wasn't needed to clarify the statute legally. it is needed to clarify it the

perception of it and we fixed it. >> did you misinterpret the bill? >> reporter: lobbyist eric miller, one of the original backers remains defiant. >> you're going to jeopardize the freedom for a christian businessman or another faith to be forced into doing something against their religious beliefs. >> reporter: arkansas's governor signed a revised version of that state's religious freedom bill. >> this bill is bipartisan it is received overwhelming support in both houses. it protects religious freedom. >> reporter: so did indiana's governor, as the spotlight shifts to this weekend's final four. >> mark halperin the political ground just continues to shift very quickly under republicans, even asa hutchison, jeb bush others who seem to change their position even in a week's time. how is this going to impact what we hear between now and the first iowa caucus? >> not just the governors but legislators in indiana more conservative than mike pence. they've always believed in the

importance of protecting religious liberty. now you have republicans, including mike pence, saying there's another value we need to preserve in indiana and in arkansas which is gay rights. >> is this going to be a big issue in iowa with mike huckabee and ted cruz perhaps that will take the original mike pence position, the original jeb bush position? >> i think some of them will take it but almost every strategist in the party knows that not just to appeal to gay and lesbian americans but younger voters and suburban voters you need to be aware, mike pence now is, much more towards a balance. it begs questions, if you're protecting dprks ay and lesbian rights on issues like this where are you on unemployment discrimination and marriage? it's a slippery slope but i don't think it's going to be a big issue. >> all right. still ahead on "morning joe," a live report from germany on what appears to be a premeditated mass murder. what officials found on the computer of the copilot who crashed that plane into the alps. we will get a live report from kenya on that horrific terror

attack there. is the u.s. military about to pay a lot more attention to africa? you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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it is 18 past the hour. nearly 150 people are now dead after the shocking attack at a kenyan university that we first told you about yesterday. the massacre lasted for hours before authorities cornered and killed the masked gunmen. bill neely joins us live from nairobi with the latest. bill? >> good morning, mika. it is a terrible story to bring you on this good friday morning of religious intolerance so extreme that it leads to mass murder. 147 dead. in fact, we're just hear that figure might have increased to 151. mostly -- well, kids in their late teens and early 20s. many of them christian, singled out by islamist gunmen. it's a country in shock after a

massacre without mercy. at least four gunmen in suicide vests, targeting a college campus before dawn. they attacked students in their dormitories. survivors said the gunmen asked them their religion. if you were christian they said you were shot on the spot. it took kenyan troops hours to corner the gunmen after a day long siege they believed they killed them all. the university is in eastern kenya near the somali border. the gunman from the somali based al shabaab group which also massacred 67 people at a shopping mall two years ago. >> this is a moment for everyone throughout the country to be vigilant as we confront and defeat our enemies. >> reporter: kenya's president was visibly shaken. his country is too, braced for more. >> this could be a prelude to other attacks, mostly in nairobi

or in ethiopia and against western facts. >> reporter: critically injured students are airlifted to hospitals in the capital. hundreds more were traumatized in what was the deadliest ever attack on a university. kenya once again a front line state in the battle with islamists. well, one aim of the al qaeda-linked gunmen was the pull apart kenya's religion, half muslim, half christian. today they're pulling together on social media the #onekenya is trending. people here are shaken. but they're also defiant. mika? >> bill joe here. the shopping mall attack, they launched on the kenya shopping mall was more random, was it not, than this where willie and weer talk before about the horrible stories coming out about the gunmen going up asking, are you a christian. if they said yes they shot them

back back of the head and moved on. >> reporter: yes, it's interesting. people here are linking the two attacks in lots of ways. four gunmen are thought to be responsible for the west gate shopping mall attack two years ago and four gunmen for this one. west gate appeared to be more indiscriminate. this one started with indiscriminate gunfire. clearly first aim was to kill as many people as possible and then they began singling out christians. some people some christians tried to pretend to be muslim. the gunmen asked them to recite the main muslim holy prayer. if they couldn't they were shot in the head. one other thing, joe and mika just to point out there is a bit of an inyou'rery going on here because there was clear intelligence that something was going to happen. the university of nairobi here posted a notice at its university a week ago saying that terrorists are planning to

attack a university. just a day before the attack kenya's president said, you know what we're as safe as any country in the world. criticized britain and australia for warning about possible terrorism. well, the next day the terrorism happened at the university. there is a lot of soul searching and a lot of finger pointing here in kenya today. >> nbc's bill neely in nairobi, thank you very much. >> also getting troubling new details coming out in fact investigation of germanwings co-pilot andreas lubitz. french investigators announced this morn that lubitz repeatedly accelerated the plane as it de descended before crashing in the french alps. it was an early reading of the second black box found yesterday t the crash site. joining us now nbc news foreign correspondent katie tur. what more can you tell us this morning? >> reporter: good morning, willie. it's important to remember that lubitz still officially only allegedly crashed this plane but

the evidence is definitely mounting against him, according to what officials have released so far. as you just said releasing this morning evidence that he manipulated the auto pilot sending the plane to 100 feet and then repeatedly changing it to pick up speed. as flight 9525 dove through the sky french investigators now say andreas lubitz repeatedly accelerated, pushing the plane faster and faster toward the mountainside according to information recovered from the flight data recorder. all while, the cockpit voice order reportedly captured the metallic bangs of the captain trying to get in and the screams of passengers. this second black box was recovered at the crash site thursday. found in a ravinee ravine and so badly burned the normally orange casing was black. meanwhile, in dusseldorf jer men investigators revealed more details on what they were going to find on lubitz' tablet computer. between march 16 and march 23

the week leading up to the crash, german prosecutors said he studied medical treems various ways and possible methods of committing suicide, and cockpit doors and their security me showers. evidence of how he did it but why still a mystery. now, french officials say they have been able to recover dna for 150 people. still no ids as of now as they have not matched the dna to the samples they were able to take from family members. they are not going to release the bodies or body parts until they finish this investigation. willie? >> all right nbc's katie tur in cologne, germany, this morning. you think about the horror of the passengers but also for that pilot who, if you listen to the cockpit recorder was banging on the door then he went to an ax to try to get through. >> desperate. >> him, the one man who could save the plane helpless.

>> helpless and the other side of the door who had been doing research on how to keep him out. let's turn back to the big news of the morning, that historic nuclear deal with iran. joining the table we have former foreign policy adviser for the bush administration and former adviser to paul ryan and the rvm romney/ryan campaign. are you still speaking to me? >> no comment. >> indirectly. >> joe klein, for "time" magazine. you talk about how iran is a functioning state. it's a real place, a real history, and you say well educated people there. well they also have not so well educated people who are extremists. >> that's right. >> divided country. >> it is the greatest mismatch between a people and a government of any country in the world. and, you know i still can't get over susan rice's fist bump. i'm in favor of this deal. i'm surprised by how good a deal they got. but we're not negotiating with

mother teresa here. these are really seriously bad people. the people who actually run the government, the revolutionary guard corps. >> how bad are they? >> aggressive militant autocracy. >> they need the deal. >> we don't need the deal as much as iran needs the deal. would you agree with that? >> no i think we need the deal because what we're on the cusp here is a major war in the region between sunnis and shiites. and we don't want to take sides. to take sides would be stupid. >> dan, didn't we just take sides here? you wait until iran is at the peak of its power. >> right. >> go from 1979 to 2015 you could not find a time when they were more powerful than they are right now. at that very moment when our gulf allies are the most concerned, when isis has the

most reason to whip up hatred towards the united states and shia we make an historic deal with the power. >> they're basically in control of lebanon, in control of most of syria, in large control of parts of yemen, gaza strip, support for hezbollah, and control of baghdad. so they have the region. then we're going to add to it a possible path to a nuclear bomb and umbrella that it gives them in the region. >> ledge mass i se -- >> let me say this, joe, if you're so worried about the region lighting up along sunni/shiite terms, which i agree with this deal is going to tip off a nuclear arms race in the middle east. just watch this saudis do and the turks do. >> we're going to have a short back and forth here. joe, go ahead. why is dan wrong? >> why is dan wrong? >> yeah. >> because the saudis and in other countries are going to do what they do in any case but what's your alternative to the

iranian nuclear program? we've got a remarkable thing here. if it can be verified. well, look you know, i was listening to mark regev before saying that we didn't know about the underground nuclear plant, we didn't know about this. we didn't have any inspectors in there. the last time we had inspectors on the ground somewhere was iraq in 2003. and they were right about the absence of weapons of mass destruction. >> let me ask you a question dan. answer the question that everybody asks me what's the alternative? what do you do? >> go back to what the administration felt so strongly about that was key to getting iran to the table for the first time. iran didn't want to come to the table to negotiate. our sanctions and the international community sanctions got iran to the table. so the sanctions clearly worked. they worked when oil was at $100 a barrel. now oil is about $50 a barrel. they're under even more economic stress. they want these sanctions to go away more than anything. we should give the iranians a choice. they can either have a functioning economy or they can

have a nuclear program. they can't have both. >> willie? >> joe, do you think that we can effectively, not us alone, the iaea, verify what's happening inside iran? a lot of people don't think they can. >> i'm not sure. we will have to see. i would rather give it a chance to work. we can always bomb them if they're lying to us. the fact is in the past iaea inspections in iraq proved to be accurate. they have a really good track record. >> dan really truly, what is the alternative? is there anything in this deal that gives you hope? is there something nice you can say about it anything? >> i -- wow. there's not much. i mean i guess they limit -- let me respond. they limit functioning some of the century funls so the numbers come down to north of 5,000. that's positive. mika, here's the key issue here. the centerpiece. the administration talks about a one-year breakout people. we will now have according to the administration under this deal, we will have a one-year

period from when iran decides to weaponize. one year. >> is that good or bad? >> that is then based on our security in knowing that is based on our ability to know when they break out. the inspections regime that joe is talking about is completely vague. the iranians say we're going to be able to look at existing facilities. what about facilities we don't know about, what about scheduling, what about -- >> first of all, the inspection regime, the details of it haven't been negotiated yet. >> which is why i'm not fist ump being. >> that's right. i'm not fist bumping either. but if we -- >> it's a big deal. >> if we can get a deal where we have intrusive inspections which has been promised which they agreed to. >> joe joegssh hold on. i'm sorry up. they've had intrusive inspections in the past and we learned about fordo. they cheated. >> there were no inspections when we learned about fordo. >> they had signed the additional protocol on the mpt that would allow --

>> i promise you, tehran is a city of 12 million people. >> that want to live without these sanctions. >> that's right. you yourself said you've never seen a country where the government is more out of touch with society. i agree the vast majority of iranian people don't want this but we're not dealing with the iranian people, we're dealing with the iranian government. >> we are. >> we're not. >> the iranian people have forced the government to move in this direction. >> i will tell you what. >> yes, joe. >> there's a lot of disagreement around this table. >> i know. >> one thing we can all come together on. >> what's that? >> the susan rice fist bump ill advised. >> wow. >> i hate it when that happens. >> that fist bump bothers you. why so much? >> he was going on and on. >> no that's why you came on here. >> no. >> because you know we don't have a deal yet. as david ignatius said. >> i agree. >> and we've had to make compromises. it isn't a perfect deal. there never is a perfect deal. >> give her a break. >> celebrate, come on. >> for weeks and months the white house has been pounding

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it's tough to balance religious conviction but it's easy -- easier to ignore religious freedom than it is today the more popular issues. all right? so in a way i appreciate the fact that we have political leaders like governor pence who are saying whoa wait a minute without -- without questioning the rights of the gay community, we also have to make sure that the rights of the religious community are protected. i just wish we could do that in a temp rate civil way instead of screaming at each other. >> that was cardinal timothy dolan. that was very interesting. speaking to chuck todd in an interview you can see this zub on "meet the press." chuck joins us now from washington. we also have msnbc political

correspondent kasie hunt and chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen. >> i think it's fascinating what the cardinal said. i think he's right because i brought up just the idea that we should keep an open mind and have a open discussion and this just immediately called christians bigots that might have a problem with this. and, oh, fire storm, fire storm. they even -- i'm not going to say the publication but an publication even said i was for discrimination. no all i said is let's keep an open mind and realize we're here in manhattan or in georgetown and in urban centers and that there are a lot of people out there there, chuck todd laughing, chuck todd you did the interview, let's go to you. there are a lot of people out there who may actually have different opinions and that doesn't mean that they're bigots and we need to keep an open mind even if we as i said before, i believe that people should discriminate against gays and lesbians. >> i think we sometimes forget that you bring up -- i think you

bring up the geographic differences very well. that you know it is -- there is just some -- there is some cultural differences, shall we say, between where middle america is on some of these issues particularly the conservative rural parts of the country and where rural america is and can you have these discussions -- it was interesting to hear the way cardinal dole han put it. a cardinal, somebody a man of the cloth is always going to put it in a more ---en these terms in a more level-headed way, which is can you have these conversations without looking like you're beating up somebody and you're like forcing them into a position. and i think that that's -- that's where the people then retreat in their own position. well, you're going to force me? then i'm going to force you. but that's not the way to practice politics. >> yeah. let's talk about some -- we've got -- we've just got the best in the business here. >> we do. >> chuck todd and mike allen and

kasie and the great mark halperin. sweet little questions. let's talk about a new abc news/"washington post" poll and what it shows when it comes to image. 2016 field has room for improvement. top tier candidates on the republican side are upside-down when it comes to favorability all of them except for jeb bush suffer from a lack of name recognition. hillary clinton of course doing well when it comes to public opinion but her numbers have fallen 9% since january. before we go on to the next one let's go back guys. one second because jeb bush is leading this. >> they love it when you do that. >> i just want to look at these numbers. you've got jeb bush, a guy who has been seen as almost inevitable by the big money people in the republican party. he is minus 20. minus 20 in favorability.

i've never seen anything like that at this stage. and mark halperin you still have money people blindly rushing to him, desperate to throw money at him because they think he is inevitable. that there is a big "new york times" piece this weekend by maggie and nick who talking about how the numbers and the facts on the ground are not keeping up with the narrative that jeb is inevitable. >> just a huge mismatch between what the money people are reacting to and grass roots are reacting to. never really seen anything quite like it in presidential politics. chuck, what do you think the impatiens is or the worry level is in the bush camp about doing something more aggressive to try and turn this around or do they feel they can wait until late spring or early summer before he tries to start per wading people to like him as much as rich people do? >> i think he got a little bit of a reminder of to stick to his original gut guns on how he

should be handling certain issues when he got caught trying to play both sides of the religious issue in indiana. what was ironic about him getting pinched on this is that you bring up a point. they're sort of tired of being the conservative punching bag. so when the indian in law became a litmus test on the right they saw where everybody was going and they tried to be in the same -- they tried to be say, well, let's just hide out with everybody else. support the idea of a law and just hope that this storm will pass. well, then of course he gets caught saying one thing to one set of donors in silicon valley. something else to hugh hewitt and the radio show. and then it sort of undermined what he said his candidacy was going to be about, which was he was going to always run a general election campaign not worry about pandering, and instead he got caught pandering. so i think look i think the lesson he learned this week was, he's going to play along, stick to laying the long game. that's his best shot at this. if he starts trying to assuage

conservatives who don't like him now, he's going to get caught into a worse cycle, look like a flip-flopper which is everything that cost mitt romney. >> in that same poll when people were asked who they would support if a primary or caucus were held today, voter most often chose jeb bush 20% of them ted cruz at 13%. >> look at ted cruz jumping up there. >> he's jumping up there. so obviously in that first poll we showed kasie, jeb bush has reason for concern. he could easily and may well be the nominee. but who is the candidate or candidates who look at the state of play right now and are strting to feel better about themselves or good about where things are? >> i think ted cruz is an obvious one. but i think anyone who is sitting back and looking at the field from the point of view of there is a demand for somebody new. the smart people who dig into the polling numbers on jeb bush say there's a perception they don't like him because they didn't like his brother. people i talk to say that is not the case.

the concern voters have is a idea of a dynasty, there are three in a row. that's the thing that jeb bush is going to have to work on that that is not what this is. he's not getting this chance because it's his family. and i think it's a real risk for him because when you watch him on the trail the questions about whether he's the same as his father and his brother come up from real voters not just reporters, all the time and it gets under his skin a little bit the way that other questions don't. i'm interested to see how he's going to have to go after that because i think that's the way he's going to solve that problem in the numbers. >> all right. and mike you've got some new polling out of your politico caucus of iowa new hampshire, insiders. tell us what you found you about their attitudes toward rand paul because there's i guess a possible announcement on tuesday. >> yeah, mika rand paul hopes he's going to dominate next week's political news with that announcement tuesday in kentucky. going on for five days, five states hitting all of the early states with his

anti-establishment anti-washington message. but, mika you see some of the signs of trouble for rand paul in this politico caucus. this is our weekly survey of insiders in iowa and new hampshire the. >> let's put up the numbers. >> operatives. yeah so starts off fine. you will see that 65% of people in iowa/new hampshire, these insiders say that he could win their state, but, whoa look at when you jump forward to the general election. only 16% of people in those two states, these insiders said that he could win a general election. only 24% of republicans think he could beat hillary clinton. a lot of republicans who think anyone can beat hillary clinton. and here's the real troublesome number. here's the number that if he doesn't change next week he won't be president, won't be the nominee. 63% of these insiders in

iowa/new hampshire see him as an isolationist, see him in the cut of his father who was against foreign aid. and with national security foreign policy so top of mind with voters that just will not fly. if he can't turn that around. >> all right. chuck todd what's on tap for "meet the press" this sunday? >> you saw a preview. we have cardinal do lan on easter sunday. governor bobby jindal a guy in the presidential field that's hoping to pop outside specifically though talk to him on the religious freedom issue and that debate that's taking place inside the party. and then also rob manford, the new commissioner of baseball sunday is opening night. preview of the baseball season with the commissioner there, too. so it's -- it may be easter sunday but it will be a fun show to watch. >> but it's also "meet the press." thank you so much. >> by the way, mike allen, not just happy friday. it's happy good friday. >> happy easter passover begins at sunset.

lots to celebrate. >> mike thank you. >> it's not a good friday it's a great friday. >> i have a question about this. how did a man survive stranded at sea for more than two months? >> okay. >> what's going on? >> a lot of sushi. >> incredible. mika sounded testy this morning. >> we'll get all the detail on the dramatic rescue from tom costello.

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. this deal is not based on trust. it's based on unprecedented fair vkz, and it verification and it is a good deal. >> we have -- not in the interest of anybody. >> the iranians want acceptance respect for their sovereignty.

we want dates, time numbers. >> we have every option available to us then that is available to us today. >> reporter: first they have to convince the neighbors. >> the united states will be blamed for the failure of diplomacy. >> individual rights can co-exist in harmony. >> reporter: following intense national backlash when indiana passed a freedom law and arkansas signed a revised version of that religious bill. >> and this bill is bipartisan. it protects religious freedom i. was actually wondering how asa was going to get out of this but i think he did very well. >> this who thing to me has been very inspiring because of the way the whole country rallied around this issue. this is the way democracy should work. welcome back to "morning joe." it's 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. with us we have bianna

goaldreega and the rest of our panel. i don't know if up were following overnight. >> what a big, big deal here and it's crazy. you see the iranians dancing in the street cheering in the streets. this is a massive moment for them. while a lot of americans quietly wringing their hands trying to figure out whether we have just allowed a terrorist state legitimacy we're going to regret and you don't even know because it's important to say, we're three months away from a final deal. >> exactly. we'll see how it plays out and there is definitely politics for sure. the first time in decades the u.s. and iran are looking at each other as partners on the heels of a nuclear deal both sides of celebrating this morning. the two countries along with a group of world powers agreed to a framework that would limit tehran's nuclear program and by extension the potential threat of atomic weapons. still plenty of questions remain fromly from members of congress.

to that in a moment. iran would reduce sentra fuses, conduct a facility for research and limit its ability to produce plutonium. in exchange the u.s. and eu begins lifting economic sanctions. under the deal the white house says it would take iran at least a year to develop a bomb, that's far longer than the current estimates of two to three months but those limits only last for ten years. after which iran could step up production. after 15 years, tehran could produce as much nuclear materiel as it wants. president obama calls the deal historic noting the unprecedented access to verify iran's compliance. it's clear the president is anticipating a lot of pushback. >> so when you hear the inevitable critics of the deal sound off, ask them a simple question -- do you really think that this verifiable deal if fully

implemented, backed by the world's major powers is a worse option than the risk of another war in the middle east? is it worse than doing what we've done for almost two decades with iran moving forward with its nuclear program and without robust inspections? i think the answer will be clear. >> we'll talk in a moment about the specifics of the deal. a good deal bad deal? was barack obama, john kerry duped or transformative figures. as i put up this headline and any of us that lived through, most on the set were too young to live through this except for mika who lived through in a have painful way except for mika the revolution in iran. the crisis a stunning headline. 36 years later the united states and iran agree a deal. any deal that they're even admitting they're talking, a

handshake, it wasn't long ago a handshake would get leaders in trouble. >> i had the same feeling you did, joe. you have a feeling that today is one of those days in history where a hinge turns, and you begin to enter a different period. there's a lot of distance still to travel. one thing i can say about this agreement is looking at the details, seeing that many of them are in fact better than i hoped they would be i wish it was signed today. and the problem is it isn't signed. and there's still a lot of hard bargaining to go to get it signed, but i do think it's an historic moment and really important to remember that not so long ago the anger between these countries was so intense that merely for americans to talk with iranians was unthinkable let alone frame a nuclear agreement. >> so, david, for the type of transparency that this deal would call for, does the agency that would be doing the inspections and following through on that have the

capacity? >> it has more capacity, mika, because of provisions that are in this agreement. this agreement allows essential essentially unfettered access for the u.n.'s watchdog agency the iaea to inspect iranian facilities and i mean by that not simply centrifuges but mine mills, all kinds of things. >> sorry to interrupt you. how do we verify that? you say unfettered access. say from what you understand this agreement lays out on paper, if the iranians follow that, is there any way for them to cheat? >> hmm. >> or do we get to verify? >> there's always a way to cheat. what this agreement has is the ability to monitor the iran supply chain. all the things you would need to be putting into a bomb program, fanned they see any anomalous

elements, why ordering aluminum pipe? what's that for? ask questions, track it down get access to mines, mills, other facilities. so there's no guarantee ever that's perfect against cheating. the argument that the president makes is, this is as good a way of monitoring their sneak out, breakout capabilities as we could have. the point he make imagine the alternative, we didn't have the deal and no ability to surveil or control what was coming in? that would be much worse. >> reaction from iran itself now. go to tehran nbc news bureau chief ali arussi. heard of dancing in the streets, celebration in the iranian government. what are you seeing yourself? >> reporter: well, willie as soon as the news was announced last night iranians took to the streets, honking their horns, flashing victory signs and waving iranian flags, because

they really really wanted this deal to come. a much more robust deal than we anticipated here but i think that reflects how much pressure the iranian government was to deliver domestically. after all, voted in on a mandate bringing iran in from the cold and relieving the country of heavy economic sanctions. if they weren't able to do that they would have faced a much greater threat domestically, than any threat from israel. now they've averted that threat at home and the foreign minister zarif has come home a hero. people have lit up on social media congratulating him, telling him what a great job he's done so they can feel pretty secure at home. the last thing the regime wanted another fallout like after the 2009 elections and truly, truly averted that. having said that hard-liners in the country were quick to criticize the deal. today the hard-line editor of a

daily here also advisers to the supreme leader said this was a great deal for the west and a disaster for iran. he used the metaphor that iran traded a ready to racehorse for a broken bridle. the last two weeks, the newspapers and things have been shut, but i think tomorrow you're going to hear a lot more criticism from iran about this deal because hard-liners has been anti-americanism have lost that reason right now and they're going to be struggling to find an enemy to blame their problems for. willie? >> all right. as you say, a lot of that celebration is because iranians feel they got their economy back in this deal. nbc's ali arussi in tehran. thank you. >> it's all about these inspections, right? president obama said it would be the most inspected country in the world. if that fails all of this fails, right? >> that's right. all of this rests on the inspections.

it has the potential to be a historic deal. a lot of details we don't know. we have until june to review the detail, congress will look at the details. it rests on the inspections as david said. all sites, access to. the supply chain mentioned. all of those things inspector shos should have access to and is there a possibility for cheating, yes. but the status quo right now is we actually have no access to any of their sites. so think allows access from an international team of inspectors. more surveillance capability potentially under this deal than now and that's compared to the status quo. >> ayman, you know in the united states we're focused on how the republicans and democrats on capitol hill are going to respond as well as israel, but what about the other sunni states? we americans seem to forget about more, that a group of people more concerned about this

than republican senators or congressmen or you know israel actually the sunni arab states, the gulf states. what's their reaction? >> yeah. i think there is two things that jump out quickly in terms of how the arab world's going to react to this. one is the specifics of the deal. whether or not it's going to actually curtail iran does it empower iran, not empower rirniran? their own nuclear posture? does it push them to do pursue their own nuclear objectives? >> ayman does it? should we expect saudi arabia to be developing a nuclear program now? >> i don't necessarily think as a result of this deal you'll see a major shift in any of these countries nuclear posture so long at deal is intact and this depends on what happens in congress if the deal actually sticks, come june 30th, i think it's not going to change a lot in the region but the deal itself, the fact that the u.s. and iran were able to strike a deal, that's going to change.

this is a transformative moment in the middle east because you have the u.s. and iran sitting a a table talking pressing issues now a major concern for some of the sunni arab countries in terms of what is happening in the region. talking about the nuclear program it could pave the way to talk about another big issue, iraq yemen, syria and that couldish ishbe a major cause of concern for the arab gulf countries. >> get to reaction. it didn't take long for potential 2016 candidates to react to president obama's announcement of a nuclear deal with iran and an understatement to say republicans aren't that pleased. >> jeb bush called it flawed adding these negotiations began by president obama's own admission as an effort to deny iran nuclear capabilities but instead will only legitimize those activities. >> governor scott walker president obama's dangerous deal with iran rewards an enemy undermines enemies and threatens

our security. >> and letting the iranians have nuclear devices makes no more sense than giving a pyromaniac a can of gasoline and a box of matches, mike huckabee. >> other republican hopefuls took to twitter to criticize the agreement, but -- there was some good news -- former secretary of state hillary clinton seems supportive of the deal saying in part, i know well the devil is always in the details in this kind of negotiation. there is much to do and much more to say in the months ahead, but for now diplomacy deserves a chance to succeed. >> meanwhile, senator tom cotton the man who wrote the republicans' controversial letter warning iran that any deal they got would not be able to be held up, said he's going to do everything he can do to stop the deal calling it a complete capitulation by the united states and a sad day for our country and for the hope of world peace. mark halperin a lot of conservatives would agree with tom cotton and a lot of supporters of israel would think

any deal is a bad deal. what's it going to look like on capitol hill over the next three months? >> look, there's a class of people in the country and in the world who think any deal involving barack obama and iran will be a bad deal not interested in specifics. david ignatius said plenty more in here than a lot of skeptics thought. the devil is in the detail. we'll see. the president has to keep democrats in congress onboard and if you look at some signs of republicans and conservative voices, the "wall street journal" lead editorial, skeptical of the deal but don't say it shouldn't be considered at all. same with the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, senator corker. the president has some republicans support even john mccain wasn't totally negative about the deal. the challenge for the president in the short term keep congress from going in a way that will overturn the deal keep democrats onboard and right now the voice is early for even democrats hawkish on this issue supportive, more in lineally

hillary clinton than tomhk in line with hillary clinton than tom cotton. >> negative about negotiations and tactics looked at the deal and like david ignatius better than expected. >> as did mr. brzezinski congratulating the parties of the deal. >> oh! >> and -- >> david ignatius. >> i would believe him. >> david ignatius, let me ask you. you alluded to it a little earlier. before we have victory parades and signing ceremonies three long months before the next deadline signing. all we have is the framework. what are it'sthe odds this takes place and iran's nuclear capability is crippled the next 15 years? >> the worrisome thing yesterday i thought was the difference between the very detailed four-page itemized summary of the deal that the u.s. was putting out and the page and a half, thin illusive description

that was read jointly by javad zarif and the eu's top diplomat as if they were describing two different deals. i'm told that in the deal that the u.s. is distributing there is language that is still bracketed. that is to say, the final agreement by both sides, that the bracket should be taken off and that the language is operative, isn't there yet. that's got to happen in the next three months. i would also note two problem areas that even the supporters of the deal within the negotiating team tell me worry them. one of them involves the question of sanctions. once upon the time the u.s. hoped it would be able to unscrew sanctions bit by bit as the iranian showed they were serious about compliance. as i read the deal they're all going to come off together once the deal is in effect.

so we lose a lot of leverage. that's a mistake. the other problem area is research and development. does this really constrain iran's ability to build a whole new scary generation over the whole ten-year term of the deal? seems they do. and working the phones to rally is portsupport for the iranian deal. what could be a tough sell on capitol hill. also, tv has never seen a character quite like peggy olsen. "madmen men's" elisabeth moss is with us. she's awesome. really nice. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. 18 percent? 20? purina one true instinct has 30. active dogs crave nutrient-dense food. so we made purina one true instinct. learn more at purinaone.com

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we'll be stideadying our case doing it publicly. it's important to set our case because this for us is the fundamental security of our citizens and country. iran with nuclear weapons is a dire threat not only to israel though, to the region and here you should know the arab countries, important major arab countries, totally share our view on this issue and i tell people in washington that when arabs and israelis agree and you know that doesn't happen necessarily every day, but when we agree it's time to pay attention. >> a spokesman for prime minister benjamin netanyahu. on "morning joe" earlier this morning. joining us from the state department deputy of secretary tony. >> thank you so much for being with us. we congratulate you for, in the words of david ignatius having a lead at half time but this is only half time, of course. you would say that i think before anybody else.

what areas are most important to nail down between now and june 30th at the end of this process? >> joe, first of all what's critical here is that this deal if we can bring it to closure, cuts off iran's pathways to a bomb far, far into the future making us more secure israel more secure and partners in the gulf more secure. dotting the is, crossing the ts is a complicated business it's a lot of detail. it's complicated stuff. and it's going to take the next couple of months to make sure we can lock everything down. there's open questions we have to resolve including something that david ignatius mention add moment ago and that's the question of sanctions. i want to correct one thing. it is absolutely our intention to sequence that relief so that iran has to make good on its commitments before they get sanctions suspended. never mind lifted and then ultimately lifted but that schedule has to be worked out. >> you talked about partners in the gulf obviously egypt, saudi arabia, jordan a lot of the sunni states very concerned about this still especially

given where iran is right now with their influence greater than ever before. how do you assure our gulf partners this is not only in iran's best interests and america's best interests but in sunni arab states' best interests? >> you heard the president yesterday he's going to bring the leaders of the gulf countries to camp david, a summit meeting, i'm hetading out to consult with them go over the agreements with them our team is doing the same thing. the other critical thing is even as we get this nuclear deal we are not taking off eye off the ball when it comes to iran's ear activities that are a threat to neighbors in the region to us and to israel. we are implementing all other sanctions in support and all of that remains even as we finalize this deal. >> tony the president said if iran cheats the world will know it. you just talked about the steps that need to be taken to lock

everything down. what will happen if that's not possible? if somewhere along the way iran does not follow through? will the united states act in an aggressive way? >> well, first, what's critical about this deal is it has an unprecedented system for monitoring what iran is doing, for getting access making sure the inspectors know every aspect of its program, and it's something never done before. and it's the entire supply chain. it's everything from the iranian mines and mills to the factories where they make centrifuges to the actual enreshment facilities. we will have more knowledge of their program 24/7 hanthan ever been. we'll be able to do something about it and know it. >> benjamin netanyahu said this deal was a threat to the state of israel and said the military option was on the table. how concerned are you that israel could act alone in the coming years? >> look we're going to consult as we have been very very closely with israel. and we understand that for

israel iran poses an existential threat but we are not taking a deal and haven't taken a deal and won't take a deal that undermines our security or israel's or our gulf partners, to the contrary. it advances it. prime minister netanyahu talked about the different pathways to a bomb. this cuts off the pathways far into the future. israel will be more secure we'll be more secure so will our partners. >> mark halperin. >> mr. secretary, what's the proper role for congress in the next two months as far as the administration is concerned? >> the president is clear. intense engagement with congress, bring them the details, work with them to determine the right oversight role to play. >> sorry to interrupt, but what is the right oversight rowel? some rule? some to do vote on that. >> when it comes to a vote critical is this mark congress has the ultimate vote because

congress, only congress, has the authority to actually lift the ankz sanctions, by olds that until later in the process so iran is demonstrate its making good on commitments congress retains the critical leverage. we think that's the right role for congress to play. >> tony, thank you so much for being with us. congratulations. i mean -- >> thanks, joe. >> it was a long long haul and now, again -- >> a lot of critics along the way before we even got to this. >> i got to tell you, mika was judging this before we even knew what was in there and it made me sad, tony. it made me sad. i wondered yesterday morning we had andrea mitchell agreeing with me and who else? we had general hayden and a lot of others talking about how it seemed like we were getting pushed around andrea at one point said the iranians seemed to be playing the press a lot better. i must say you never know how politics is going to go and never know how the negotiations are going to go. it actually seems like you guys played the press masterfully,

let all the bad information get out, let everybody on both sides draw conclusions that ended up they were surprised. richard haass critical yesterday, but yesterday afternoon after the deal came out, people like he and david ignatius said you know what? >> presently lypleasantly surprised that has to be gratifying. >> i'd like to think we're that good, joe. >> all right tony well you are. >> a nice set at the state department. thank you. >> all right, tony thank you. >> thank you very much. still ahead -- >> this is frightening news. >> oh -- >> and keep hearing stories about this brooklyn. >> a couple more as well. two women arrested in new york city for allegedly planning an isis-inspired terror attack. what officials are saying about the foiled plot. plus awaiting the march jobs numbers, we'll bring you those numbers as they cross, right after this.

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nole noele velentzas and asia siddiqui. one of the women had become obsesses with pressure cookers. still authorities say they weren't far along in planning and an attorney for one of the women plans to plead not guilty. >> the march jobs report just crossed the wires and showed 126,000 jobs added. the unemployment rate remains at 5.5%. bianna what do you make of the numbers? >> lower than expected consensus called for about 245,000 to 250,000 jobs added. curious to look at details and see sector by sector what happened lft month. a lot of this could be attributed to the cold weather that continued on longer than previous years, and that can affect jobs and construction that basically come to a standstill when the weather is so cold. >> we've learned before, though these nushmbers will be revised. >> interesting to see if it has an impact on wall street with thoughts about whether the fed will act sooner or later with

lower than expected numbers. >> yeah. there had been 12 consecutive months of gains over 200,000. no doubt a lot of economic analysts some on wall street will be concerned about this. >> right. again, it goes back to what the revision numbers will be in the months ahead. mark zandi, at moody's believed wheat see about 3 million jobs added this year. a good year for job growth hopefully. >> and good news mika -- >> rose 7 cents to $24 honey.86 an hour in march. creeping up. >> revisions in january and february revised down by 69,000. not what we want to see either. >> okay. all right. bianna, thank you very much. cheaper gasoline. interesting, yet to sort of boost anything. >> yeah. i'm sure as we get into the summer and the driving months kids get out of school. >> actually go somewhere. >> i expect we'll see people driving around and you'll see a big impact on the economy. >> savings in the pocket as

we've seen americans for the first time in a long time are starting to save as well. saving money. very good. still ahead a timely discussion about faith on this good friday and the start of passover. two members of the clergy join us on-set. first, "mad men's" elisabeth moss is back with us i.. >> i got to ask mark halperin going to break, you've seen the first episode ahead of time. >> yes. >> because you're one of these manhattan elite. >> don't act like you don't already have the dvd. >> what did you think? >> fantastic. a season that will be great. the last half season the first scene of the first episode will knock your socks often. >> really? >> knock your socks off. >> wow. >> like maybe don't even wear socks. >> you're not allowed on the set next. >> you may not be able to come talk to elisabeth. you're a little crazy. no. we'll be right back. >> we'll be right back.

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february and back with us peggy olson herself, elisabeth moss. hello. >> hello. >> thank you for being back for this. >> i don't know what joe would dpo do with this free precious time now? >> huge fans here from the very beginning. literally very beginning. >> yep. >> i'm not exactly sure why amc sent the entire first season over but they did and i watched it in like day. incredible. >> because you watched it and probably talked about it loved it. so thank you. >> you know said what amc? really? because i was reading back matthew weiner his agents going, amc? >> yeah. >> nobody could have seen this coming. incredible. >> like reruns of "the terminator" or something what they used to do. >> we thought that. we don't think that anymore about amc. >> no not anymore. >> can you imagine the arc that's taken place over the past six, seven years? >> no. the crazy. beyond what you dream or hope. you don't think about -- i remember maybe the first or

second, maybe the second season when i saw ads in the subway in times square. we had big ads. even that alone i was like, this is crazy. >> so how old were you -- how many see seasons? sorry? >> seven. i was 23 which i started the pilot and -- >> kind of a cliche question. you're an open person generous in interviews. how has your life changed? >> it's changed in -- all of the ways that one's life changes from 23 to 32. you know? it's changed in all of those ways. i've grown up. i've gone through my 20s. you know? you definitely become more of an adult, hopefully. >> right. make a lot of mistakes. >> yes. absolutely. >> that's no fun. >> that part's not true. >> my life changed in the sense of people sometimes know who i am when i go to the grocery store. >> that's got to be -- >> it's funny. >> seeing the beginning we went to the second season premiere and i said to mika afterwards

talking about this yesterday, i don't think these people know how big this show is. >> right. >> because you were talking about seeing you in the subway. it took most people at least sort of inside the new york community to see about ten minutes of this and go, oh my god. this is special. >> we didn't know until, i'd say, the collectively when we -- john won the golden globe for that first season the year of the writer strike that it wasn't on tv and at the chateau, a private party, nobody went to the golden globes. >> that's encouraging. >> yeah. >> and john won and that was when really when we really were like wait. people are watching this show? like -- it really was a genuine surprise. >> so many great male characters. talk about john. great guy. great actor. all of them are, but it took me about six seasons to stop and go -- oh my god. the most interesting characters are the women here because with you, this incredible

transformation. you're on the cutting edge mika writes about it now in her life and knowing your value, women doing this but your character and also jones. everybody else clothing change here change there, jones the same year in year out. >> they definitely represent the sort of most empowered and also at times most flawed on the show, and they're very -- empowered in very different ways. two completely different people. >> right. >> in the same place, in the same time and deal with it in different ways. >> you figure out actually trying to figure out, should i be more like a man? more like a woman? which mika -- talked about, and at the end you figure out, you should be yourself and work is not life. >> exactly. it's not about being more of a man or woman but being herself. >> authentic. that's what we all sort of try to realize at some point. >> and that takes growing up. i think you know when you tell a 22-year-old to be authentic,

be yourself, they're like i don't know who i am. >> exactly. >> that doesn't help me. theremicking, sort of that you have to kind of follow people who you think you look up to, but -- >> try this on. try that on and find what works. >> you find you. >> exactly. >> i read somewhere your favorite scenes are when you're with john hamm. when peggy and don are together in the office and never really sure whether the two characters are about to make out or punch each other in the face? i mean, there is -- but there's also, it's like you know do they love each other, are they brother and sister? big brother -- it's pretty remarkable relationship. >> it is very remarkable and very unusual relationship and all of those things. i think that's what makes it interesting to play and interesting for people to watch is it's never one thing. you know there's never an easy answer.

>> first of all, peggy, i'm you're boss not your boyfriend. second of all, you ever let people campbell go through my trash again you won't be able to find a job selling sandwiches in penn station. >> they've changed a lot over the years and become perhaps more equals than they were in the beginning. but it's a relationship i feel like is very common but not really shown that much. >> yeah. >> and it's very unique. any other show you know i would have been on his couch in the first season. that's not the way we do thing. so it makes it a lot more interesting to watch. you know? >> oh, my goodness. first episode of the rest of the final season of "mad men" premieres this sunday on amc. >> huge. >> so much fun, elisabeth moss spending time with you. >> thank you. >> i'm so getting that dress. thank you very much. >> and shoes. love the shoes. we're back in a moment. you can have my lip gloss.

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officials say everybody who was working inside the building was quickly evacuated, but we're going to follow this story. this massive fire yet to be brought under control in louisville, kentucky. the general electric appliance park. big business there in louisville. all right. it's 48 past the hour. joining us for faith on fridays on this good friday senior rabbi of the congregation in new york city and rabbi robert levine and jesuit priest and editor at large for catholic magazine "america" reverend james martin. good to have you both with us. father martin i think on good friday, a lot of political and international things to talk about pertaining to religion and faith, but let's start with good friday and what is the basic message that you're hoping to move this week? >> well good friday is the day that jesus died on the cross and one of the things i like to remind people is that jesus understands us our physical sufferings obviously but also the emotional sufferings being abandoned and spiritual

sufferings. he felt abandoned by god on the cross. my message is always the person you're praying to and the person we believe in understands you, because he went through what you're going through. >> father here we are 2,000 years later on good friday looking at 147 college students slain because they were christians. >> uh-huh. >> how do you explain that to your congregation? >> i think i spent two years in kenya actually myself. so my heart goes out to all of those poor people. that's the mystery of evil. i don't think you can explain it but you can say that jesus is with us in that jesus understands suffering. he himself saw people suffer and he himself suffered. >> and he himself on the cross asked the same questions. my god -- my father my father high hast thousand a abandoned me. >> right. >> and talk about the

significance of passover. >> talking about the vulnerability people feel. sit around the seder table, eat way too much food. >> that's important. >> that is good. >> focus on anti-semitism, they will focus on the vulnerable people around us and talk about all day, add quickly, in the hagada five rabbis sit around and it's -- it's roamme they're talking about. rome wanted to destroy the jewish people. steps up i want you to follow the general into war. a disaster over half million people were killed. so the israeli military establishment studies the -- it's called the barkopa syndrome and are much more conservative about the military. it ultimate passover is about hope and yearning for the coming of the messiah and between god's

agency and our own contributions to the world we open the door for elijah in hope that that will happen. >> an extra chair here at the table to pull up. >> exactly. >> you mention anti-semitism being on the rise particularly in europe and, of course we saw the tragedy in france and in copenhagen. i want to get your reaction to benjamin netanyahu's comments that all jews would feel safer if they lived in israel? >> yes. i think that the jews in europe don't want to hear that message. i think it should be a choice. i think it's wonderful we have a jewish state allowing anyone to come who wishes to but i think those are proud jews in europe. it's a very sad place. the jewish community is basically been decimated but they are rebuilding the jewish community in europe. so i think it should be everyone's choice but thank god we have a jewish homeland. >> and, father a lot of people saying today on this good friday, thank god we have the pope that we have i, of course am a southern baptist and i even

say thank god, he's a remarkable man and you say he makes the promise of good friday and easter all the more real? >> of course. you know, yesterday there was a, there he is washing the feet on holy thursday in an italian prison washed the feet of six women and six men. >> something he's been doing for a very long time. >> the tradition is part of the holy thursday services all priests are doing that but he himself is the one that goes out to people like that incredible photos a reminder of our need to care for one another. jesus said do what i've done but, yeah he makes, the real message of easter is christ is risen giving us hope and faith and i think inviting people in a new way to meet jesus christ what the pope's main job is. >> do you think just a touch on politics a little bit that religious views have taken a hit in the conversation given the two states on the religious freedom laws? just in terms i know it's -- i'm sure we all fully understand what has happened at the same

time has it been a balanced debate? >> that's hard to say. i think it depends which person you're talking about. i think you see kind of a collision of two world views. i would like to say one thing that, no matter what side you're on i think it's important for all churches to respect lgbt people and to not use hate language, and to see them as beloved children of god and i think sometimes that is missing from the debate. you know that lgbt people i think are demonized by some religious groups and i think that's a shame. >> rabbi? >> religion should never stand for intolerance. we've reached that time we have to embrace all of god's children. it's just unconscionable. >> father, james martin and rabbi, thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> pleasure. >> on this good friday. what, if anything did we learn today? >> i learned you can go out in passover. >> yes, i do. >> awesome. in my world, wall isn't a street. return on investment isn't the only return

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proud of and the hope is that we move into june with it being stuck to. >> and i learned i'm excited, because i've had a boat for a little while. not much time but learned if you get lost hang out for, what 60 days? 60 days -- you can gain weight look better than when you went out there and live on fish jumping into your mouth. >> and a great story to tell and pump organic food. >> exactly. >> showing you the names of the people who run the show 3 1/2 hours every day 5 day as week. thank you, everybody. you're great. thank you for watching as always, thank you for your patience. if it's way too early, mika what time is it? >> it's time for "morning joe." happy easter. >> happy easter. good morning, i'm craig melvin if more jose diaz-balart on this friday. breaking news in louisville kentucky. look at this. officials are now saying this is

a five-alarm fire raging at the ge appliance park there in louisville, kentucky. these are aerial shots coming in to the newsroom. you can see it that thick, heavy, black smoke billowing from that plant. at this point we can tell you one of those buildings is destroyed. from the looks of things just a few moments ago, we had a closer shot. you could see several other parts of some buildings appear to have collapsed as well. a massive fire response under way. again, five-alarm fire at this point. no word on whether flooding in louisville played in role in causing this fire. again, at this point, no injuries to report either. we will continue to watch this five-alarm fire that is happening at this louisville, ge, plant in kentucky. we'll keep our eye on that and pass along new information as we get it in