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whether the deal with iran is historic or a misor the i can mistake. hillary clinton feels the same and john banner calls it naive. now the next major fight between congress and the white house. a big point that we will get to in a moment. iran seen dancing in the streets and president obama's comments are broadcasted live on state tv and no censorship needed. let's start off with nbc ali and gagging the reaction from there. what are you hearing? >> well there's been a sense of jubilation here when the news was announced people jumped into the cars and crashing signs and
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waving the iran flag. when the foreign minister arrive arrived this morning he was treated to a welcoming it's it did have a slight kind of delay on it and it did take out a bit where they talked about iran and the terrorism. none the less they did play it and that's very unusual. they were taking pictures with president obama on the television and selfies and pasting them on social media. that is unprecedented here. if you had done that with pictures of bush on social media, it would have landed you in jail. the president addressed the nation and that they had broken the sanss and that he is willing to make the friends with the
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world as long as they're going to show respect and out stretch it to the business leaders and throughout saying that the government is going give anybody in the country a helping hand to revive the business. that's music to the people's ears and the sanctions have hurt the country so badly and the one thing that they really want is economic revile and after that they want iran to come out of the cold. the people are tired of being considered a global prior. this is a big step of coming out of that unpleasant at moss administer that they're living in. it's difficult to get visa is to travel, and they're hoping that this is going to change with this new deal. it's on the 30th of june and a lot can happen and the american politics.
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they have such animosity for the last 35 years. >> all right. thank you for that. as we mentioned the president now has to sell the frame work of the deal to congress before that june 30th final deadline. it's not only republicans that he has to worry about. for more on that let's go to nbc white house chris and chris, what do you have? >> reporter: well is president is heading back from utah. he has talked to the king of saudi and the big sell job is here at home and while he was doing the prearranged visits he had a huge number of senior staff members on tv or on the phone who are making the case basically that you have a choice. you have a diplomatic path that we believe that makes it a safer place or the possible of a middle east war.
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we're going to see a lot more of the folks and they have less than three months to work toward the deal and key people that are looking to see how is this all finally going to shake out. so that's what it's all i am ed towards or whether or not they can bring the members of congress on board and there are two bills out there that will give congress the say over whatever deal comes and the president says that it's not their job to do the policy. they don't want anybody intervening before the june 30th deadline. there's a lot of work in congress. one final note is now the timing is working for the white house in the short term because the members of congress are home in the districts. normally in a situation like this they're go to cameras set up in the capital, and they would be able to criticize them and make the views known. now they're in the home district and kind of what's been given and they have been using it today fully. >> okay.
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thank you for that. for more on the frame work let's bring back hillary a former state department official that's negotiated with iran and go author of going to tiran. >> what do you think of the deal? >> well, it's an important achievement. it gives the united states the chance to get off of this endless cycle of war in the middle east and in afghanistan and gives you us a chance to have a constructive relationship and first and formost and through that with the middle east. >> hillary this broke this time yesterday, and i think that most of us were wondering what is this? is this a deal or not a deal? what does this mean? we're trying to wrap our head around it and then on hard ball he put it in perspective and this is not a deal yet. no one should be doing victory
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laps at this point. this is a frame work for a deal by june 30th. help us understand how we should be thinking about it at this point. how likely is it is twhae reach it by june 30th? >> well it's important to look at the history of these kinds of breakthroughs. when nick went to china and me grosh gosh appreciated an understanding and opened to china they worked on the understanding and it was not something submitted to congress and nothing that congress had any say about, but it reset the u.s. relationship with china and got us off and would have been the horrific possibility of war with kbhiechina, so in some ways it could be that. my concern is that the president is handling much more like a technical arms control agreement.
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that's more similar to what president carter tried to do and lost in congress and that was an arms control agreement that he would not make the case. it's hard to make the case if you do not do it why the united states should be in arms control or a republic. it's just tough to make the case. i am not sure that president obama can do it that way. >> sounds like you're skeptical here. >> yeah i am hearing the opposite. they seem to be bending over backwards to say that this is not an opening and not going to mean a normal relationship and in fact to double down and the relationships that we have in the middle east. it's been wreckless and there's support with all kinds of radical and it's throughout the middle east and the president is doubling down on that and saying that we're going to stand down and that's a really tricky path
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and i am not sure that he is going to be able to mange that. >> the inspection is such a critical part and some are saying that it's the most impressive part of the frame work. what are you seeing specifically in the frame work that makes you most confident that iran is not going to develop a nuclear weapon. >> what's important is that iran will be and is going to be the mono member and the affective legal frame work for nonfrags and it's not perfect but what is spornt that it gives it a frame work to improve on problems. that's what we have with iran. we have the potential to get them to sign up in their own interest and something that they will have an interest in for more modifying and verification. the only way is to have more eyes on the ground and give us an objective tack and we saw
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that bad you movie with iraq when people tried to say that they had nuclear weapons and they did not. this is a set of eyes and ears on the ground with a range of countries. >> i was hoping to take us in the position of this. we have gotten lots of responses especially from the republican side and scott walker was asked an interesting question. he was asked if he would cancel any deal even if our trading partners did not want to reimpose sanctions? so even if europe did not want to o go along with cancelling the deal and he said absolutely. what are the implications of that? >> there are two. one it has us for yet another war in the middle east and the only thing to a diplomatic and the 35 year cold waterr is to keep us on a hot war and elsewhere in the middle east.
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the other thing ability that is that any benefits that could go from this deal in the international community whether they're economic they will go to russia and shychina. they're not going to come here. they're changing -- and theorizing powers and this is disasters for around the world. we do not want to do something that gives them more benefit from something that could benefit us. >> hillary, thank you very much. >> thank you. up next the fixes to the religious freedoms law are in. will they quiet the controversy? also proving a test and the friends at news week will join us next with a look at the faith and would be candidates? plus game on indy finally ready for a different kind of
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on this friday the governors of both indiana and arkansas are looking to put this weeks controversy over the freedom laws behind them. last night indiana's governor both signed revised versions of the state's measure and arkansas arkansass is molldelled after the freedom act.
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>> this debate goes on. the fact that it might not solve every problem for everyone probably means that it's a good bill, and it does the three things that i outline. it protects the religious freedom and establishes a frame work for the balancing act that the courts must determine in these types of cases and thirdly it does recognize the diversity of the culture and workforce. >> indiana's law goes a little bit further but some worry that neither has specifically out loued discrimination and it is quieting the uproar for now and not a minute too soon in business leaders and they host the all important final four and that's where i find msnbc. >> reporter: they're doing three things one moving on and two says that indiana will not be an embarrassment and three the time for healing is now. the governor signed this bill
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last night. it will insure that business leaders can not discriminate against any gay or lesbians. he did not speak to the press but did issue a statement saying that resolving it and making clear that every person feels welcomed and respected in the state is best for indiana. not everybody will be happy with the bill. democrats wanted the original law thrown out and the clarification was not necessary, but the governor got the deal before easter and if time four that begins tomorrow. >> thank you:we will have more on the ncaa ahead. religious freedom is improving to be an issue. this week we saw them and the degrees of support for the measure. hillary clinton just signed lease space in brooklyn for the headquarters started the week by
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denouncing indiana's law. as the race takes shape news week covers dives into the church and state. when it comes to the balancelot box, religion matters. we often vote with the tribe. joining me now politics editor matthew cooper. welcome. >> thank you crystal. >> starting in indiana and arkansas one thing that they have been pointing out is most of these corporations that came out to denounce what's been perceived as act riltly a gay measure, most of these corporations backed mike during the campaign and he was very clearly antigay in the positions then. what's changed, and do you think that this outcry is going change the way that corporations
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considered how they donate to the candidates? >> i don't think much. they back handed a lot of parties and republicans and demonstrates too. they want to be at the table and stability. they want a set of laws that they can work with that are not going to embarrassment. something like this they thought there would be a law like this and throw the business and make the hr departments and have to review everything and make the legal departments go crazy. they will hope and pray for stability from now on. >> now they have certainly thought that through. >> hopefully and now the pandora box has been open and the wars are back on. throw the gop campaign to see who is the nominee. they have to answer questions and the position of gay rights and they're going to have to somehow find that incredibly
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knarr owe space that o offends and that's going to be tricky. >> yeah, it's going to be tricky. i think that a lot of it is about tone. it's a little bit of a stretch, but i mean if you think of pope francis in terms of having incredibly welcoming and opened demeanor. the church is docktrine on the same sex marriage has not changed and not going to change under his authority. republicans in their own small way are going echo that and look friendly, but not really budge on the questions. >> matthew, one thing they like second degree that although they're religious, there's a line in the way that religion has infused the personal believes and the way that they justify the foreign policies. jfk fist said on earth god's
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work must be our own. do you think that might now we're at a moment that it's as important as ever for presidential candidates to to say this is who i am and i am inspired by it by politics. >> yeah, we got to the point that people have to flex their faith and talk about their faith and as a country, obviously not every but we want them to be more likely to have a gay president and, you know i think that's where the countries at. you know at the same time i think there's a kind of tolerance that was not there 50 years ago. the ticket won the most poplar vote and it was not hurt by jolie and i don't think that myth was done by being a mormon but other things. i think that there's a specific tolerance in other religions. >> yeah, matthew i found this
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article fascinating because we do not talk about this a lot that the politics in large part are very deep rooted and based on the values and the believes often times and the religion and as you point out in the piece that's often is how you will vote at the ballot box. let me break this down. 80 percent and 65 percent democrat i can and then 70 percent republican and then it's big enough to include nancy pa low si and so we talk about the separation between church and state, but the reality is that they may not be so separate. >> no, that's right. it really kind of drives where people are at. what's interesting is that so many people are switching to none of the above category. it's a fifth phis themselves as
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not belonging. it's one thing to watch. >> yeah it's interesting to watch as the country is less religious and demanding more religion and matthew cooper. thanks for your incite. >> thank you. next it's jobs report friday. >> what. >> gerard and peter are here to break it down. we need insights and more "the cycle" ahead. 20? purina one true instinct has 30. active dogs crave nutrient-dense food. so we made purina one true instinct. learn more at purinaone.com how much protein does your dog food have? 18 percent? 20? purina one true instinct has 30. active dogs crave nutrient-dense food. so we made purina one true instinct. learn more at purinaone.com ♪ at mfs, we believe in the power of active management. every day, our teams collaborate around the world
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. let's turn to job report friday. for march readded 126,000 jobs and that was well below the projections and the worst number since december 2013, and this comes as we have gotten disappointing readings on a host of gop and manufacturing and constructioning and the unemployment rate was steady at 5.5 percent and that's keeping at a six and a half year best.
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peter let's start with you. is this a blimp or a serious down shift? >> i think the economy is going to create jobs at a slower pace than it has the past 12 months. it was an over adjustment. they got ahead of themselves and there's a bit of adjustment. going forward we're looking at 215,000 jobs a month. it's not the end of the world, but let's not make too much of one month. >> you said that the jobs report have more head fakes than a ncaa tournament. i need a full reference. what do you think? blip or something more meaningful. >> more blip. the monthly numbers are volatile. what i do is smooth out the monthly changes by looking at the average for the past three months and that's about 200,000.
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now if you look at the past six months that's 250,000 per month and it's a down shift. i think what is interesting is that there are a number of factors that are against the economy, and you mentioned them in the introduction and the doctor is very strong and that makes the exports less come amphetaminepet tif. they added jobs and compared to 90,000 and there are some underlying factors that are slowing things down and this month is more blip than a slow friend. peter let's continue to slow out and look at this from a bigger advantage point. before the show derek pointed out that 2014 had the best job growth of this that lynn numb. >> yeah. >> this year 2014 and 2013 and 2012 have seen a lot of growth. surely even you have to admit
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that we're going in the right direction? >> well i think 2014 was as good as it was going get. also in 2014 we had zero productivity growth in the private sector. that's observed. they know how to use them and do that year after year and as the demand grows they will be using up some of that slack. it's silly to think that you can grow it go and a half percent a year and have two and a half percent job growths. we just don't function that way. i don't think that jer red thinks that we function that way. it's seeing the slower job growth for next year. i think the key point here is that and we probably all agree that while things are improving we're not at full employment yet. there's slack in the labor and
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with this months report maybe a little bit more than we thought. you don't want to over do. that's an important message for the fellow reserve and he is sensitive and that means that they push out further and i think that's advisable. >> you both pointed out the important part here and you can not focus on each months specifically. you have to look at the big picture here. one thing that's remained is the long term unemployed. something that you said is that too many americans are living in the wrong place. taz cities have an increase and that's in the case of rural areas and the folks that have not been able to find a job and not only can they not find it, they can not move to participate in the job. >> well since it began they added three percent and in rural areas they're still down by
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about three percent. the high-tech service areas and the areas that are creating a lot of employment and not for the people that work in the industries but for the people that serve them in restaurants and hotels and so forth tend to amount in large metro areas because sophisticated workers like the life style. those workers not only do not have the necessary skills very often, but there are in the wrong places so if they relocate to big cities it's for a lower paying job and restaurant and it's not worth the move and it's not worth the move. we have a problem with people in the wrong places. >> gerard things of minimum wage increases we did get what i classified and interested to get
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your input. mcdong agos -- that's important and what do you make deciding that it's time to up the wages. >> well it's a positive development and it's something like around ten percent of the employees because of the franchise point that you made. what is particular interesting to me is that we have very few unions left in the private sector and the union covers something like six to seven percent now and it used to be up north of 20 percent. what you kind of saw here was a union like and instead of by union niezed workers it was like protesters and mcdonald's responded to them. it probably has something to do with it as well as the fact that the wages tend to get absorbed by the workers, so that's one of the reasons why the moderate kind of minimum wage works as
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intended. i think that it's a positive development. i don't think that we can solve low problems by the company working here and there. we do need a national wage the floor. >> in the last few months construction has floundered and manufacturing. what industries have been leading the labor recovery? >> well it's on the service side and health care continues to tick. retail trade has done pretty well. i have been waiting to see more of a breakout from the hospitality. you think that people with a little bit more real collar in the pocket and the decline and prices and we see some actions there. i expect to see more going forward. >> okay. thanks. it's a big weekend in america. there's the end of march madness and the beginning of the end for mad men.
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every someday needs a plan. talk with us about your retirement today. why spend the friday night at the movies. ripped practically from a hollywood swript. a cast away becomes a reality as a sailor lost at sea for more than two months abrought home. we have the story. >> yeah an incredible story. he say that is he survived by rash bing the food and eating raw fish and whatever seafood was swimming by and grabbing and trapping and drinking rain water. yesterday an incredible rescue. the coast guard -- >> he walked under his own power
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and to a hospital to an emotional reunion with his father after 66 days at sea. >> it seemed like a lot longer. >> friends and family knew that he went sailing january 23rd aboard the sailboat angle but then no word heard from him and his parents were frantic. >> what have the last two months been like? >> it's been terrible. you live moment to moment. those moments turn into days. >> had you given up hope? >> many times. >> lewis had drifted out and the mast broken and the boat capsized three times. >> i was flying through the air and everything was upside down and backwards. >> for two months he eight raw fish that he pulled out of the o ocean and capturing rain water to survive and then thursday morning an incredible struck of luck. jordans small sailboat was
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spotted by a container ship 200 miles off the coast. >> they saw me waving my arms and they turn the whole skyscraper around. >> a coast guard lifted him. >> thanks for the help. >> he is thinner and a big shall giier, but he is happy to be home. >> are you ever going to sail again. >> i really don't know. >> will you let him get out on that boat again? >> i don't know. not in the ocean. >> i asked him how did you pass the time two months on the ocean hour after hour. he said that he read the bible cover to cover and became spiritual. when i said what kind of food did you miss the most. he said that he missed bbq organic ice cream. back to you. >> great stuff tom. thank you very much. that could make a great movie
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one day. turning to great tv the best show on tv today. not named "the cycle" is named mad man. it looks amazing. >> if they have a deeper bound. it's delicate. it's potent. >> it's a twing. >> it's in the heart. >> i missed you. >> i missed you too. >> i will saver every moment of the last episodes like a fashion in the office at 2:00 in the afternoon. let's begin the send off by talking to michael by the hollywood reporter whose history is a must read. welcome. it's a fantastic story. you got everybody to talk to cue
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toes so that. it's so interesting and winer was a writer and only steve would remember that show. a guy with a dream nourishing the dream of creating a show called mad men. >> yeah, and at the landed a job on the sopranoess and really the only thing that mad men has eclipse and working on the cbs sitcom that he did not enjoy, he got it on the staff and won him an emmy. >> at the beginning you quote a former one and says that we picked it up and we had a bunch of movies and we needed something singulair and high quality in order for cable operators to just keep us around.
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can you tell us a little bit more on why this channel of old fashion black and white movies picked up mad men? >> since mad men everyone makes television now. amazon has critically acclaimed shows and everyone wants a show. at time it was just hbo, show time and the small handful of cable networks. amc did not really have anything to define them. they had the old movies but then that went over to the turner classics and then the movies from the 70s and 80s, so it was an identity crisis.
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>> to your point of mad men being a redimplgs story and not only for matthew but john who is a well known name the television. at one point in his life he was told that he would not be a television star. i lived in la for ten years and not working and having no money and prospects and the days were great. it was the long nights starring at the ceiling waiting for the phone to ring. michael mad men has achanged everything for john and his life is not so uncertain anymore. >> it's so crazy to think about john and someone that people did not want. he is just the leading man. he is so handsome and charming. he can do comedy and drama. the big problem is that when he
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was in his 20s he would look like he was many the 30s and he would not getting cast at that time in his life. there was a reluctant to hire him in mad men. matt really was the champion from the beginning. that's how they got it. >> the cast was on the today show to talk about what it feels like to come to the end of the series. take a listen. >> the shooting for all of this happened a while ago, right? >> yes. >> so it's wrapped. you have done the jochbltb. raise your hand is you're a little bit nervous that the audience is going file in and say that that's not the way that we wanted it to end. are you nervous about that. >> always. i am like that about every episode. >> there's that and then the group that's become a family and seeing the end.
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>> yeah it's crazy to go on this journey for characters for so long. the real stakes right now are just are these people going to find happiness and this show is funny and as exciting as it can be these characters have just sort of been like steeped and sadness for a great portion of it. >> one of the best moments in the article is a moment in the show's history and 2010 moment when amc wanted to put more commercials on the show and wanted to have fewer actors and have 30 percent of the cast and they kept throwing more and more money. what an incredible moment that he is standing up for the show and what is best and not getting that much richer in that moment. >> it's crazy because negotiations are so common especially with a long running
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television show. they can drag out and get ugly. it was not until that moment in 2010 that it became part of the public forum. there are disputes but that was never really dragged out for every to hear. you saw that enter the sort of like the story of the show. it was off the air for a year and a half. almost a year and a half. >> thank you for being us and for writing the peace. up next the spotlight on indiana turns to what everybody expected it to be. basketball will be the spin.
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♪ welcome back and right now final preparations are under way for the men's final four in indianapolis tomorrow. with revised language to the freedom measure signed into law the ncaa says that they're pleased with the amendment but it could have an impact on where the future championships are held. >> when they begin to aposeoppose the commitment that we have on the campus and ncaa it's time to speak up so we were proud of how the president handled it. >> as we go forward and make decisions on places that we're going to take the tournament we're going have to look harder at. >> while they play thencaa plays politics behind the scenes four teams play for the trophy this weekend. michigan state looks to end the
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duke blue devils quest for the championship. then it is a repeat of last year's final. the kentucky wildcats look to make history when they face the wisconsin badgers. we have to spin on this. of course i'm wearing blue because i'm supporting kentucky. i love march madness not because it is a reminder that it is bring, but i grew up going to all the games in utah and developed a spirit for college basketball. there is such spirit behind these games, which is why i love them so much. now we're all thinking about our brackets. >> nobody else is thinking about their brackets. brackets are long gone. >> i have a really good shot of winning and that's if kentucky and duke hit it off in the finals and kentucky ends up winning. the one surprising thing about this year is there's not really a cinderella story.
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it goes back to the teams that you don't think will make it as far as they do and surprise all of us. >> you're absolutely right. the whole thing of march madness is it is one and done. anybody can win. that team from nowhere, northwestern north dakota state, can beat somebody good and get further in the tournament. there's none of those. it's all name brand. there's so much money in the tournament now. there's so much money in big time college basketball that these big squads are able to recruit the best players. >> i don't know. last year we had some cinderella stories. anything can happen in one game right? we don't have that this time. >> now you have good players not staying much longer than one or two years. it's hard to create a team that be compete with those sort of guys. >> he's right. the only pretender to this
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cinderella shoe is michigan state. michigan state is good every single year. >> there's a name-brand team also. >> they are the seventh seed. their coach tom izzo is universally recognized to be the best coach in college basketball. you have two really interesting matchups. >> why is that? what makes you the best coach in college basketball? >> it's recruiting and then it's tactics, strategy coaching. he's obviously very good at both. not only does he bring great people to the team he blows everybody else away. three of the top ten are in the final four right now. you have izzo and coach k.
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>> as abby pointed out, my team uva not that great this time around. therefore, there's only one team that i care about left in this tournament and that is duke and i care about them losing. so go michigan state. they are the cinderella story of the year. one thing that has been really cool to see this week is we've had so many stories this year about sports being a force for bad, right? standing in the way of change and of what's right morally and ethically. we saw the ncaa voice their outrage. indiana's law is more important than the final four. that's exactly the sort of perspective that we've been missing in sports. they're not always in the right place, but kudos for them taking a stand this week and saying
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we're not going to support states and localities that don't support all of our players and equality. >> sounds like they were willing to pull out if they were not going to rethink this bill. it was too close with the final four. >> football is always reacting to domestic violence and controversies. the ncaa said this is more important than basketball. >> all final four coaches signed onto a letter opposing indiana's law and strong comments from the ncaa president as well. >> what are kentucky's chances? >> i would put kentucky's chances very good. >> abby goes all in on anything. she's wearing the blue. she's ready to go. >> looks like duke blue to me. >> i grew up going to utah
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. it has been quite a week in the news so let's end it with something fun and just in time for easter weekend, i have an eggslent update for you. i took the egg crack challenge to benefit juvenile diabetes.
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crack an egg on your head donate to the cause. i nominated these three. >> hi i'm luke russert and i accept the egg crack challenge to benefit the juvenile diabetes foundation. i challenge chuck todd. >> oh wow. you heard luke. you guys are up next. as for my picks, mario lopez says he is in and he's going to do it later today. alicia is planning to do it true e news style. they say it is good for your skin. to this day, my skin feels rejuvenating.
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>> you look fantastic. >> all right. that does it for "the cycle." a man is rescued after 66 days lost at sea. john kerry is declared an international heartthrob yes, that john kerry, and hillary staffers are setting up shop in downtown brooklyn. the streets of washington are eerily quiet. >> today is one of those days in history where a hinge turns and you begin to enter period. >> what we've gotten here is a remarkable thing. >> for the first time in decades, the u.s. and iran are looking at each other as partners. >> there's a class of people in the country and then the world who think any deal involving barack obama and iran is going to be a bad deal. >> republicans lock