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fantastic. >> all right. that does it for "the cycle." a man is rescued after 66 days lost at sea. john kerry is declared an international heartthrob yes, that john kerry, and hillary staffers are setting up shop in downtown brooklyn. the streets of washington are eerily quiet. >> today is one of those days in history where a hinge turns and you begin to enter period. >> what we've gotten here is a remarkable thing. >> for the first time in decades, the u.s. and iran are looking at each other as partners. >> there's a class of people in the country and then the world who think any deal involving barack obama and iran is going to be a bad deal. >> republicans lock step against
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this. >> there are plenty of skeptical democrats. >> president obama has to work members of his own party. >> i don't think we should trust the iranians. >> the president has a legacy that he is hoping to trump it, that he is the diplomacy president. >> the u.s. and iran and five world powers have agreed to the terms, but will congressional democrats? yes, democrats. that is the question facing the obama administration now as they defend their nuclear framework agreement to skeptical members of congress from both parties. republicans have predictably piled on criticism about the deal. there is a bill in the senate right now sponsored by republican senator bob corker. it mandates congressional review of any deal with iran and it's a bill the president said would undermine his deal. as it stands now, at least nine
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democrats have pledged support for the bill. according to "politico," yesterday his top aides began working the phones and the president himself called senate democrat leader harry reid and said he would soon be in contact with other congressional leaders including speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell. joining me now is a former u.s. ambassador to iraq christopher hill and luke russert. luke, let me start with you first in terms of where you see this headed among members of the president's own party. >> well alex it's a very interesting question. it's something that the white house has sort of danced around up until this point. i had the opportunity to ask josh ernst about this on tuesday.
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they sort of said we're confident. we want to see what we have before we answer the question. they won't see what they have until the end of june. if you want congressional review of any possible deal and wants to look over the fine print, it's going to be problematic for the white house. not to mention there's a lot of people in the house of representatives on the democratic side who feel this way as well. president obama is going to have to very aggressively lobby his own party. he's going to have to find people who are okay with the parameters of this deal and stay on his side when the going gets tough. expect republicans to go through this line by line. this will generate a huge amount of controversy.
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>> ambassador hill, in theory the idea of congress looking at a deal that will -- the terms that have been outlined this far will outlast this president and the next that doesn't seem like a necessarily bad idea. i guess i wonder if you think there is a way to over congressional oversight that dubt doesn't scuttle the deal. >> the president doesn't want to turn this over to congress to nickel and dime but there has to be an intense amount of consultation on this. there's so much mistrust not only with iranians but within washington as well. i have to speak as someone
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dealing with the north koreans for four years. they have covered an enormous amount of ground. if this can be codified i think it is an impressive piece of work. i hope the congress takes a hard look at this. >> luke is there any chance that dispatching emissaries like samantha power, does that help or is the republican party going to be in lockstep against this? >> i think they'll be lockstep against this. the people who want to become president on their side are universally opposed to this. can they find democrats that are supportive of this deal but would like the legislative branch of congress to have their fingers on this? they have to peel off those democrats. in terms of some bipartisanship
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on this the only thing i can think of is if the administration can say look if we do not agree to this china, india, russia, there's no guarantee they will, in fact go back and support sanctions because they think this is a good deal. they think iran has made a good deal. this has become very partisan as we saw with netanyahu and the social media spin. >> that's a fine line a fine line, luke. >> it just shows you the degree of difficulty the obama administration will have in this. >> i do want to talk about the deal itself. jeff goldberg points out while in the short term this
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administration and possibly several other administrations, the likelihood of iran getting a nuclear weapon is very very thin. it's dim in terms of prospects, but in the long term the infrastructure to build a nuclear weapon is not dismantled in iran. i guess i wonder how much you think that is a change from the international community's original stance on this. >> i don't think it's a change. i think it's just the art of the possible. you could not get the iranians to say yes to everything and then strip down to their underwear. they figured out this is 10 to 15 year time period. it leaves the infrastructure in tact intact. as they get tough inspection, maybe in the coming ten years -- ten years is a long time -- maybe we'll see an iran that is
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less inclined to nuclear weapons status and more inclined to doing things commercially with the rest of the world. i think at some point it behooves them to say what would be a better solution. they have to put something on the table. if it is only more sanctions, the track record on sanctions in terms of preventing nuclear breakouts whether it is pakistan or north korea, it's not been a very successful one. i would like to see bob corker and others come forward and tell us what would be a better solution than the approach the administration is on. >> let me follow up on that. we have not heard a lot of response from the gulf states or the sunnis countries. do you think the camp david meeting is going to be enough to
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ausage that side? >> that problem is very deep and that problem does need some real work, diplomatic work with the saudis and iranians with some understanding of what should happen in yemen and syria. it's a different set of issues but a very necessary one and one that could kind of tamp down that problem. >> a poll says that 59% of the public supports the deal with iran. i'm sure as republicans have more time to publicly give their opinions on this deal those numbers will shift a little bit. how much do you think that's going to factor in at all? are republicans going to be considering that? are democrats? is capitol hill going to look towards the american public?
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>> look at immigration reform. large scale bipartisan support amongst the plekublic for that. it goes nowhere. i think you'll see a lot of the same in this case. i do think, though that that point you just brought up about what is the alternative, that sells a lot with the public because the alternative is do you go to war to prevent this. there's a strong thirst for diplomacy in regards to iran and not have to go through again what happened in iraq and afghanistan. whether or not people understand that, who knows? make no mistakes about it. the gop will make iran out to be the boogie man. it's easy to do. they chant death to america. they do not recognize israel. to try to get people to think
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about iran rationally as a country that wants to move into a new day, it's a very tough sell, especially within the vacuum that is washington, d.c. these days. >> thank you guys both for your time. >> take care. >> thank you. coming up news today that the massacre in kenya was carefully planned and executed. what comes next from al shabaab. plus more than two months lost in the atlantic ocean. what is it like to survive at sea? i'll speak with the castaway who spent 76 days on the ocean. later, we'll tell you who is calling this guy, that guy, a weapon of mass seduction. all that is ahead on "now."
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a man rescued after 66 days at sea was released from the hospital today utterly thankful and grateful for his rescue. 37-year-old lewis jordon was reported missing on january 29th. yesterday a german container ship discovered jordon 200 miles off the coast of north carolina on top of his capsized boat. jordon rationed food and water and survived on raw fish and rain water. so what foods did jordon miss the most? barbecue and ice cream. joining me now is a man who sailed from san francisco to sydney, australia on a boat of
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plastic bottles and author of "adrift," steven callahan. steven, let me start with you first. how did you do that? >> well taking it step by step i was pretty experienced in the environment and basically i had to learn to live like an aquatic caveman. just addressing one priority after another, water, food and you know over time just learning how to adapt in living that environment. >> i think one of the things that's shocked a lot have us is how good he looked after he got out of this ocean captivity. he looked hardy. he could walk into the hospital.
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what was your reaction when you heard this? >> that's a good point. steven says surviving at sea is tough on the body. i saw this -- and i'm going to be honest here -- this guy looks awesome. it doesn't look like he spent two months eating raw fish. he looks pretty healthy and happy. he is even carrying his bag on his own shoulder and he said he broke his shoulder and everything turned upside down. you know i don't know. there's definitely some intrigue in my mind. i'm glad he's safe. he's got his backpack on. he's walking out. he looks pretty good for that ordeal. >> to that end, he was apparently catching fish with his dirty laundry because he was putting the laundry in the water and that attracted fish.
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did that sound feasible to you as someone who has survived on the open seas? >> to be honest i'm not sure. there are so few details available. my experience with these kinds of reports over the years is that the initial reports are somewhat misleading let's say. a lot of details may be missing. for example, it was reported that he was found on his upturned boat. that boat upside down i doubt would have floated for even a day, not to mention a couple of months. i'm not really sure of the details of this but what i have learned is everybody's experience is incredibly unique. i was in the south part of the north atlantic. he's off of cape hatteras. i don't have enough real information to make any kind of
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rational judgment. i was lucky. i had a little spear gun that provided me with almost all the fish that i ate, so i don't know to be honest. >> when we talk about being on the open seas one of the things that's hard for us land lovers to fathom is he was off the coast of cape hatteras 200 miles. how could he be floating out there so long without seeing another ocean vessel? when you're out there, what do you see? how often do you see other ships? >> when you're out there, you're out there. it's a big ole space and you're a tiny little dot. it's like finding a needle in a haystack. one of the scariest times for me is we nearly got hit by a container ship in the middle of
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nowhere. closing speed was 15 minutes. i thought he was going to hit me. it didn't even know we were there. it was called "forest harmony." >> there's some joke to be made there, yes. >> it's an extraordinary environment. over 70% of our planet is ocean. this is a very small boat. this is one guy. i agree with what steven says. it's interesting to me to think this boat was upturned for more than a couple of days without sinking. steven built some water-proof cabinets which kept your boat afloat a little longer than most boats, right? this is a tough environment where everything breaks. it's very hard to be seen. we have all heard those stories.
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listen, i'm glad he's alive and back on dry land. >> there's also the mental endurance required beyond the physical. being alone with just your thoughts and not knowing whether you're going to survive in the long term, tell me a bit about that challenge when you were out there. >> my experience was fairly long. 2.5 months. not as long as some but in a rubber raft. you experience a lot of ups and downs, but the ups and downs are very very high and very very low. the littlest thing could take you to the heights of being inspired and pleased with yourself. it's kind of like if you have read the "wind and the willows" with the mr. toad character. oh, i'm brilliant. a minute later you have totally
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screwed up something that could mean your life and you're totally in the pits. a lot of it is trying to remind yourself is every minute you survive is a minute closer to salvation. i had to remind myself i was making mistakes but i wasn't sure what they would be until hindsight. you have to forgive yourself and concentrate on the moment. having little pads of paper to write on helped me to develop a normal routine. i tried to look at the voyage as not being an end when my mother craft went down but a continuation in a more humble craft. you try to normalize life as much as possible and learn to deal with the problems not to deny the problems but to embrace their reality as best
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anorexic models. but first, actor and comedian chris rock has been getting pulled over by the cops. specifically three times in the last seven weeks. he has documented each stop by posting a selfie. do not forget the time chris rock and jerry seinfeld were pulled over while filming in new jersey. >> and he's coming. it would be a better episode if he pulled me to the side and beats the [ bleep ] out of me. if you weren't here i'd be scared. >> joining me now is founder of lady parts justice and cocreator of "the daily show," and a professor at columbia university and lola. it is a good day to see you. happy holiday weekend. >> thank you. >> let's start first with chris
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rock dorian. the fact that he's getting pulled over taking the selfies some folks are saying you have to tell us why you got pulled over because that's the only way the indignation can be fair. do we need to know why he was pulled over or are the stats enough? >> no, it's enough. >> isaiah washington tweeted, i sold my $90,000 mercedes because i got tired of being pulled over by the police hash tag, adapt. you think that's bogus. >> who should adapt? our police who are overpolicing black people. chris rock is doing a public service. >> the hash tag adapt is really controversial. to dorian's point, it's not
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about getting used to racial profiling. it is about fighting back. pharrell said the new black does not blame other races for our issues. >> i like the old black. i'm going to stick with the old black. >> black is the new black. >> black is the new black. kudos to chris rock for using his platform for good. this happens to black men across the country all the time and they don't happen to be as famous as chris rock. i bet you he immediately transforms from brown to green because they see money. >> and they take a selfie with him. >> and then get an autograph. for a number of black men across the country, that's not the case at all. that's the beginning of something that can go terribly wrong for a number of black people in this country.
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>> the jerry seinfeld footage is hilarious. the cop comes to chris' passenger side. the cop does not seem to recognize who they are initially in the film. >> new jersey is notoriously profilish. yeah make sure that you go over and make sure the black guy wasn't doing something to the white guy, like drive me someplace. >> which says something bad about the state of race relations in our country. moving on french lawmakers voted to ban anorexic models. agencies could face a fine up to
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$81,000 and six months in prison. i think this is a good thing to try and repair women's ees's body images, but i would like to see it not end there. can we ban air brushing and concealer? >> instead of saying don't hire them, how about starting a new movement that says women who actually eat are interesting looking. >> that's changing culture. >> i completely agree with you, ladies but do you think that these model agency owners should have to go to prison? that seems a bit extreme. you have a hyper skinny girl on your staff. there are people who kill murder, and rape all the time that don't serve that much time. i think that's a bit extreme.
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i think we're going a little too far. >> can you imagine the cell block -- >> the issue is the measure of bmi. it's a flawed measure. what they should stop doing is using 14 year olds and passing them off as 21 year olds. >> girls will make weight for the show and then purge before the show. >> it is a bit flawed. thank you, france. the cell block conversation i'm in for -- moving on, an op-ed in today's "new york times" asks the question should grown men use emojis. some men shy away from emoji because women use them more. there should be male ways to use emoji. should there be dorian?
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>> alex -- >> i'm just going to talk in emoji. >> i use emojis all the time. text messaging can lead to lots of miscommunication. we know men are awful communicators to begin with. >> it helps. >> we need a dude broji. we can make sure men have tons of testosterone when they send out a smiley face. >> why must grown men be treated more seriously or held to a more serious standard than grown women? >> why was this given any time in the paper? >> anybody over the age of 12 is juvenile for using emojis. that said i love emojis. when i like it. >> if you get the purple
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eggplant emoji -- i'm just kidding. >> stop there. >> emojis let you know if your friends are alcoholics because you get the glass of wine and then the other glass of wine. >> i definitely use the martini and the wine glass. i love the ghost. >> how about the girl in the red dress dancing? john kerry, he may not get the respect he deserves state side, but in switzerland over there he is a very big deal and a sexy rock star. one paper calls him a weapon of mass seduction. >> i have no sense of it. i haven't seen anything. i'm sleep deprived. >> that poor man, right? >> nothing better than a neutral country to love a neutral man. >> listen john kerry right now
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is kind of a rock star liz. he just hammered out a really big deal and he was taking strolls and otherwise gaining rock star status in switzerland. could he run for president? >> i think being a rock star is awesome. i wish madeleine albright would have been given the same time. >> the hearts or the this or the this. >> or the piece symbol. >> lizz winstead dorian warren lola. do not forget to catch dorian's show "nerding out." we'll have more after the break. i knew that. you see, this is my amerivest managed... balances. no. portfolio. and if doesn't perform well for two consecutive gold.
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today marks the christian holiday of good friday and this weekend millions of christians and jews around the world will celebrate the holidays of easter and passover. this year the celebrations come at a particularly fraught time for people of faith. yesterday gunmen in kenya slaughtered at least 147 people. in the wake of attacks in europe, a cover story in "the atlantic" asked if it is time for jews to abandon the continent all together. the future of religion is bright. over the next century, the world is on track to become a more
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religious place not a more secular one. according to researcher around 2070 islam will overtake christianity as the largest religion in the world. joining me now is deepak chopra and joshua dubois. deep deepak, let me start with you and your new book which tells a story of a young girl who had a chance encounter with jesus before she was crucified. when you were thinking about writing this what called you to the story of the life of jesus? >> two things about the new testament have been with me all my life. one is the sermon on the mount and the other is when he says i'm the way, the life and the
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truth. >> yeah. >> i wondered what those things meant. i also felt the new testament as we read it we don't look at the feminine aspects of the divine. beauty intuition, nurturing, tenderness, truth, goodness beauty harmony, evolution, joy. >> and those things could certainly be on the male side. they're not unique. >> the masculine has been predatory. i've always been a student of awareness. the "i" represents the spiritual eye. the truth of eternal life is transcendence. when you look at all these
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different religions, including islam and judaism, there are two things in common. one is transcendence. the second is the emergence of platonic qualities and the third is the fear of death. let the old die. die unto death and let the new emerge, a time for healing, for forgiveness, for joy and celebration. if you really understand the message of this season. >> joshua, in terms of religion and faithfulness or spirituality, when you look at the landscape here in the u.s. which we see the trend lines going towards less participation in organized religion do you think we're still maintaining
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our spiritualness? >> i think we definitely are. we're seeing this year that faith very much still matters in america from deepak's book to "a.d. the bible continues." religion is very much a topic in the public square because it is a topic in people's lives. faith still matters very much in america, even if it doesn't take the same forms or the same places of worship that it has in the past. >> deepak do you think religion is adaptive to changing morals as it once was? >> it has to. if it doesn't adapt, then organized religion doesn't have a good future. if it adapts which it seems to be under the new pope right now -- >> well he's a great case of that. >> he's a great case of that. ultimately, religion has to go
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with the religious experience more than religious dogma. right now, what wiie're seeing is the emergence of the bronze age with boca haram and isis. >> that's why i ask that. >> when you look at the essential religious experience, that's common to all of us and faith is actually being certain of that which you cannot see. what is the certainty of what you cannot see? it is your consciousness, awareness of which you could see nothing. if there isn't this awareness inside of me, i wouldn't be able to talk to you. >> right. >> i'm connected to all beings and love is not just a sentiment. it's the ultimate truth and the heart of the universe. >> when you look at the so-called religious freedom laws
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that were passed around the country this week how do you think we square values with christian progress? >> treating everyone else as you would want to be treated yourself. loving god and loving your neighbor are at the center of our gospels. in terms of the nuance of policies in different states around ifthe country i think we have to have more conversations with the evangelical christians and lgbt communities. this immediate crisis may have subsided to some extent but we have to get out of our corners and into some of the same spaces together. >> thank you guys both for your time. "the 13th disciple" is out in stores this week. we'll have more after the break.
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today's 2016 news begins in brooklyn. a lease has been signed for what is expected to be presidential campaign headquarters for one hillary clinton. rand paul is expected to launch his bid tuesday in kentucky. he will be followed by an anticipated announcement by marco rubio on april 13th in miami. they will join the trail dominated by ted cruz who will begin running tv ads. the cash lay goes to explaining cruz's swag problem. a handmade poster in magic mark
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marker reminiscent of a high school poster. what else can we glean from the fact that she has chosen brooklyn for her headquarters and what does that mean about an announcement? >> i think it portends that her staff will spend a long time in traffic on the brooklyn-queens expressway. there'll be a hip and youthful element to her campaign because that's what brooklyn is right? she lives in westchester. she has to have a campaign headquarters somewhere nearby. brooklyn is a great place. i don't read a lot of significance in the choice of headquarters. frankly, i think aside from the initial symbolism it really has to do with the logistics of how hard it is to get your senior staff from primary state to
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primary state after the campaign gets going. there are a lot of flights from new york city to des moines and manchester. >> an announcement is imminent right? there are guidelines about when you begin investing in campaign structure and announce when you're a candidate, right? >> there's no question it's going to come soon. what it really means is eventually we'll see this rent on some sort of a campaign filing. it's still possible she could do an exploratory committee. i think she'll probably go straight to the campaign, but who knows? >> let me ask you about ted cruz and his big easter weekend buy on his christian faith and the magic marker posters. ted cruz spent the week alienating fortune 500
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companies. how long can that strategy take him and how far can it take him? >> in every campaign for a nomination for a major majority eventually it comes down to the main guy and the alternative to the main guy. ted cruz is running to be the leader of the second pack, the guy that is not jeb bush and that means playing to the conservative base to an extend and ted cruz is the embodiment of the belief if only they would nominate a candidate who truly is energetic and connected to the conservative grass roots can they beat someone like hillary clinton. >> all i know is in the sea of finished ad products a magic marker sign stands out. maybe it's a strategy. >> it's very homespun. >> good to see you. thanks for your time. >> you too. >> that is all for "now."
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