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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> lockup takes you inside a world of chaos and danger. now the scenes you have never seen, "lockup: raw." >> for inmates to survive, they have to make friends, they have to make alimpbss for security purposes, to the problem is they're voujded by people who aren't very trust worthy. here's the dilemma, you have to make friends for protection, but they can be the friends that end
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up killing you. >> finding true fwraip in prison might be a dicey proposition. but at the spring creek correctional facility in alaska, we found a pair of cellmates who seem more like frat house brothers has been cellmates in a penitentiary. when we met richard evans and and mikingmiking -- >> i was tattooing. >> who were you tattooing? >> this is the one we got caught doing right here. we got ran up on while we were doing this. >> you busted us for real? >> thank you, gentlemen.
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>> he hangs out here, coming out the window, i'll be right out, i'm be right out. >> this bond also has a dark side, the cellmates share a strong appetite for methamphetamine. >> what am i in for? cooking meth. back in 2002, i get pulled over, i have a whole lab in the car, microwave and everything. they pulled me over for a traffic stop and they say, what we got here? cooking meth, what a surprise. >> i was cooking it, doing it. anything i could do with it, i was. i can't lie, i like it, the
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meth, and the whole lifestyle that comes with it. going to clubs, naked girls dancing, oh, what's up? never sleep, never sleep. >> bochier landed in prison after a robbery to support his meth habit earned him 18 years. >> i went from the whole progression from cocaine to heroin and on up, and i have be been -- i was a crack head for two years of my life, my wife left me and turned me in for crack. i'll just do crack, but meth is better. 6 and i seconded up here, it's no bart. >> how do you deal with it here? jail? >> we don't deal with it here, we work out, we built it up to break it down.
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>> we had first met bochier two days earlier. right before he got out. >> it's part of my program. er morning. i come out here and do this, like i'm doing something productive. >> while bochier and evans have seemingly beat their habit and gained their health in prison, they told us, this might all be temporary. >> i'm going to try to get out and do the right thing, but i can't really say that, i'm going to get out and get high. that's the first thing i'm going to do, i'm going to get out and go so my mom and then i'll go out and get high.
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but having a good rapport is essential to keeping the peace. >> we let our guard down for one moment, tension can rise and we can have a very volatile situation here. >> we saw first land what lieutenant ayers meant. at one point, we caught him joking around with an inmate. >> does it qualify to wear shorts like that with legs out there on the crack? >> it's all right. >> aisle carry this on my back and i'll take it right through. >> a piggy back ride? >> yeah, that's all. >> but only moments later, when two inmates flash nazi signs in front of both him and our cam remarks the lieutenant was in no joking mood. >> you two come here, we're building you in. you don't do that my on my yard, you know that.
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if i catch you out here and you don't go home, i'm going to be looking for you. >> when it comes to inmates feelings about correctional staff, our producers have heard a wide range of reasons. >> you give respect, you get respect. a lot of people say these guys don't treat us right. sometimes they don't, but you can't ask for too much, this is prison, not disneyland. >> but not inmate at a california prison, had not view of the cos. >> they present to the public that they're law and order, but in here, they'll stab you in the back. they got a hidden agenda. they want to keep us locked up here, because it's about money. >> everything in here could be
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made into a potential weapon. to the sheathe has a very thin and they're sharp on the edges. it just takes an inmate to pick one of those up and he can cut my head up. >> armed only with pepper spray and a baton, he's the lone officer responsible for overseeing the kitchen staff. >> that the door's lock, there's only one dude out there with the keep. you have to trust him to a certain extent. they have no reason to assault me, independence they're totally pissed off or they disrespect me. >> among the inmates that ayers places his trust in is the number one inmate. carter hill. >> it's interesting, sometimes there's this dynamic many prison when you're interviewing somebody, if there's a
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corrections officer and an inmate, they'll pretty much watch their ps and qs. when we met carter hill, we got his views. #. >> now i look at it, you got gang members. in green suits. >> but hill was willing to make an exception for officer help everson. >> he treats me like a human being. that's a rare occurrence around here. you're all right. >> all right? >> you're all right, you know. >> i give these inmates nothing more than what the state says they can have coming. if i have it, i'll give it to him. because i give him what he has
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coming, nine times out of ten, i'm not going to be the staffer that gets in trouble. >> as we rolled tape, we realized that these guys were getting to know each other. they were joking, they were establishing a rapport with one another. >> as co-workers, it's different because they treat us as human. >> but respect never trumps security. every knife, fork and utensil in this kitchen is accounted for prior and after each shift. >> when they go back to their cells, i go through every bit of metal. if there's metal missing, then we have to go and shake down their cell. >> besides working together in the ki67, there's one other time inmates and staff have -- during
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a medical emergency. >> there's a man down in section a. >> 51. >> our cameras were at california san quentin state prison when officers received word that a 20-year-old inmate was suffering severe chest pains. >> the thing you have to realize about san quentin is that this is a ---this prison was built prior to the civil war and the cells are stacked five stories high, and there are no elevators, and of course the emergency we were covering was on the fifth floor, so not only did we have to haul our stuff up there, but so did the responding correctional officers. >> officers tend to the inmate inside his cell. >> i know you might be in pain,
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but you got to try to help me. >> moments later, paramedics arrive on the tier. >> the paramedics had to make the five story climb as well. and it's difficult to respond right away because of that. but the bigger challenge, though, was getting the inmate out of the cell and back down all those stairs. >> be advised we have inmate in the stretcher en route to the care clinic. >> the officers and paramedics did a get job of getting him down, using the hand rail to support the stretcher. >> and sometimes the effort is all for nothing. >> it happens, you know, a guy might decide he wants some fresh air, take a trip to the hospital, and you know, my foot hurts or whatever. we got to take them. >> everything's an emergency with them. they'll say, well, i'm having
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back problems, and we get him over there, and the nurses say we can't finding anything wrong with him. and then the guy goes back to his house. but within that time, you've wasted an however so that guy is get fresh air. >> but this time, the emergency is legitimate. >> they took an ekg, that turned out fine, and it turns out he probably has some chest problems from trauma as a child that's still reoccurring. >> the inmate was treated and returned to his cell. meanwhile responding officers returned to their normal duties. >> there could be a lot of that. >> up next-- >> we try and have a disciplined environment, but we also try to co-mingle. >> lockup's most memorable warden r50eeaches out to his
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built for business. perhaps most importantly, the personality and policies of the wardening. some wardens have little direct contact with inmates, others have a lot. >> i tell you what. warden greg culver of the correctional facility in south carolina is the latter. >> we like to communicate and talk to people, so we're not as
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much at -- >> you have to realize too that the inmates that are here, they're not here for going to church. a lot of them have preyed on other people. >> warden culliver was a warden and he was out in the trenches. >> you ain't trying to do no matter. you been working all night, you need to shave. >> i have, i'm going to slave. >> he cared about his inmates and he wanted them to do well, and it missed him off when they screwed up. you just came back out of lockup. >> culliver became warden in
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2002 when the prison was facing some serious problems. >> it was a violent facility. if you talk to some of the people in the community, the majority of the time, if they saw an ambulance coming this way, they thought it was coming to the prison. >> at a maximum security prison like holman, violence can be reduced but not eliminated. >> you come in looking meek and mild, those inmates that have been here, they get you into debt, if they're not soliciting debt, they have your family members send them money, and if that doesn't happen, you get threatened with bodily harm. >> we met a number of inmates at holman, but few more memorable than parker.
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>> about six months ago, i cut a dude's throat down there in population. >> what happened. >> he beat me out of some money and me and him would work a deal and i kept going back to him, i said, hey, you know, you need to [ bleep ] pay me my money. you need to pay me what you owe me. he didn't pay me and i got tired and cut his throat. >> parker has assaulted other inmates and staff members, he has spent most of his time at holman in the administrative segregation unit. >> he's in here for violence and apparently the time has not taught him any differently. >> could i be rehabilitated? yeah, i could be rehabilitated, becau if i could get rid of the hatred. i have a lot of hatred for
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people. >> he loves attention, he loves to mike owe manage, he loves to give everybody that's at his mercy a hard time. he's trying to be something. he's trying to define himself off of victimization and dehumanization of people. >> what kind of inmate is he. >> crazy. he's a nut. he's not a person who's very intelligent. >> culver combats behavior and other problems by knowing his inmates well and enforcing his rules. even the smaller ones, like being clean shaven. >> if i see someone with a beard or not clean shaven, i talk with them about that. >> culver never hesitates to get involved in the seemingly
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unending array of problems. >> well, there was a use of force that i got a call about yesterday, he put a broom in his cell, he refused to give the broom back. >> culver often has ---but this time, it caused more problems. >> once we got him outside, he refused to come back inside, he fused to be uncuffed. so i used force on him to get him back inside. he's high strung, he does things to irritate staff, sometimes he has a rhyme or reason for it, sometimes he doesn't. >> our crew followed long as culver went to confront the inmate james broadhead. >> the broom was so i could
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clean my cell. i broke the broom. >> you broke the broom? >> why? >> the whole situation started because you broke the broom? >> i needed to clean up. >> you could have just waited until somebody got it back tomorrow, and asked for it. just like you asked to see me, you could have asked me yesterday morning and told me the same thing you told me this morning. and even if the broom wasn't working properly. if it was a sorry broom, that was still no reason for you to break the handle that you broke. yes or no? >> a few minutes later, the conversation turns to broadhead's disciplinary record at holman. >> 39 disciplinary. >> is all in all, just another monday morning for the wardening who's always walking the line between friend and foe.
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