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enough, i think that what they don't accept today they can accept tomorrow. >> well, i think he sid what he's had to say. i wish that he would contain himself. >> the disagreements that i've had with prime minister netanyahu -- >> do you trust the president, mr. p.m.? >> i trust the president doing what he thinks is good for the united states. >> our defense of israel is unshakeable. >> the president said the deal is far from finished and cited political difficulties in congress. >> the fact is that congress has a rightful role to play in this. that doesn't mean there won't be a deal. we just set in place a process to ensure if there's a deal it's a deal that will stand the test of time. >> the best deal i think comes with a new president. hillary clinton would do better. i think everybody on our side except maybe rand paul could do better. >> what do you think of that? >> oh, here we go. >> what about netanyahu? you saw netanyahu was on -- listen this was -- >> good morning, everyone. happy easter. >> you get to see "furious 7" installment and, will you hear

what their holiday tradition is. >> stop i not. >> they do and they see "fast and furious" and watch it in a loop. they saw "7 "seven times yesterday. >> i did not. i made easter baskets and hid eggs. >> i'm glad they did. made a gazillion dollars. >> mika we know one thing about mika she loves vin diesel. >> what is it about that guy? >> you guys are weird. did you enjoy your easter? >> nice easter. thank you. >> joe? >> i saw your easter. >> the night before was a little rough, willie geist. i'm still trying to figure out why callpari would run -- the game is over. they're exhausted. they were winded. and calipari six possessions in a row tries to get harrison up the middle at the last second. he has like three shot clock violations. shooting off balance.

i've never seen as bad a coaching down a stretch run as i did -- from one of the best coach necessary basketball. >> first of all, it was just a great college basketball game. so much fun to watch. you've got to give wisconsin a lot of credit. >> wow. >> up by eight. when kentucky comes back nobody can hang with kentucky for 40 minutes and wisconsin comes back. >> what about calipari though? were you shocked he kept doing that. >> >> yeah i think his guards were the best players that night. the harrison twin are the two best players. amazing they should run through the shot clock. weird officiating from both sides. >> yeah. >> horrible. >> in the end, a great game and historic win for riswisconsin. >> and duke, wow, duke wow. crushed michigan state. >> it's going to be a great game tonight. >> tonight, right? >> phil griffin very excited about duke. >> i bet with his daughter there. >> passover was nice also. you're not on every day.

it's amazing my people, what they did to my people. how is your easter? anybody else at passover? >> i was at passover saturday, easter sunday. >> so many jews offen the show it's really to miss what really happens, what lays beneath here. there was no acknowledgement. >> i know. like seriously when the rabbi came on on friday you were in the hamptons and doing whatever you do in your hot tub and the rabbi was talking about the beauty of passover and what it means. very subtle. you kind of had to dig through that. he was really talking about jesus. >> i always say this because bring everybody together. >> why don't we do the news please? president obama looked to rally support over the weekend for the iranian nuclear agreement and to spell out why he's sitting down with a country that has repeatedly threatened our closest ally in the region. the president sat down with tom friedman of the "new york times"

in the oval office and explained how america's military muscle provides breathing room for attempts at diplomacy. >> we are powerful enough to be able to test these propositions without putting ourselves at risk. >> that's interesting. >> and that's the thing that sometimes, as i hear these debates going on people don't seem to understand. iran's defense budget is $30 billion. our defense budget is closer to $600 billion. iran understands that they cannot fight us. so for us to say let's try understanding that we're preserving all of our options, that we're not naive, but if in fact we can resolve these issues diplomatically we are more likely to be safe more likely to be secure in a better position to protect our allies and who knows, iran may change. if it doesn't, our deterrence capabilities, our military superiority stays in place.

>> president obama was not the only one making his case. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu appeared on three separate sunday shows where he explained his opposition to the nuclear framework while warning of iran's regional ambitions. >> i'm not trying to kill any deal. i'm trying to kill a bad deal. you say historic decision his or rig deal. it could be historically bad deal because it leaves the preeminent terrorist state of our time with a vast nuclear infrastructure. this is a deal that leaves iran with the capacity to produce the material for many many nuclear bombs and it does so by lifting the sanctions pretty much up front. so iran will have billions of dollars flown to its coffers not for schools or hospitals or roads, but to pump up its worldwide terror machine and its military machine which is busy conquering the middle east as we speak. i think the alternatives are not either this bad deal or war. i think there's a third

alternative, and that is standing firm ratcheting up the pressure until you get a better deal. everybody understands that instead of putting the pressure on them to stop this program and change their policy in fact the opposite is happening with this proposed deal. they're getting a free path to the bomb. >> mika i know that you like to call rudy giuliani america's mayor. what do you think of america's israel prime minister coming out this weekend? >> i think his criticism has lost credibility. they were doing this before anything was to speak of, who knows. here he goes again. and the question i think dianne feinstein actually -- do we have her bite? i would love to run what she said yesterday because she responded to benjamin netanyahu. take a look. she says it better than me. >> i think he said what he's had to say. and to be candid with you, this can bamckfire on him. i wish that he would contain himself because he has put out

no real alternative in his speech, the congress no real alternative. since then, no real alternative. i don't think it's helpful for israel to come out and oppose this one opportunity to change a major dynamic, which is downhill a downhill dynamic, in this part of the world. >> so willie doesn't netanyahu gain anything like coming over here, going on all the sunday shows? he's keeping it up. i don't know if it helps. >> sort of sounds like a broken record. >> well, if you're for israel which a lot of people in this country are, you like what he's saying. anything short of israel complete elimination of iran's nuclear program have unacceptable. they've said that from the beginning. i don't think his comments, you know, a month ago or yesterday should be any surprise to anybody. this slows the path to the bomb. the obama administration would argue for iran. israel wants an elimination to

the path of the bomb. >> this country very behind this. you know i'm still a little torn. you know netanyahu loses me a little bit when he says i want a better deal no matter what you get, get a better deal. i think this is history is going to show. i'm scared. there's something in my gut, although the deal on paper seems to make sense no matter how you tear it apart, can you change the culture of a country over centuries and centuries and centuries, and i line up emotionally with netanyahu. left side of my brain says it's a good deal. i just don't know. >> we'll know more in three months. >> we'll get to politics now. we have sam stein in washington as well. we'll have him weigh in on that. senator rand paul is set to join the field of 2016 candidates tomorrow in louisville kentucky. before his official announcement he is releasing this teaser video. >> it's time for a new way, a new set of ideas, a new leader one you can trust, one who works

for you, and above all, it's time for a new president. >> okay. >> i would love a candidate -- you were talking off camera that certainly -- >> that was great. that was great. >> i wish there would be a candidate who could figure out the age of communication we live in when you look at you know just how much smart, intelligent -- just different tone as opposed to this mindless 1950s, time for a new america. >> no it's defeat the washington machine, unleash the american dream. that's the slogan. >> people don't speak that way anymore. >> also a teaser trailer? like this is a movie, like a hollywood movie? >> joe, what did you think? >> you're run for president of the united states. >> i know i've said this for some time. you look at every -- everything.

you look at the media. it's changed. you look at newspapers. they've changed. they've had to change or else they die. you look at music, it's changed. we're listening to music now far differently than we did 20 years ago. you look at movies it's changed. tv has changed. all the really good shows now are on tv instead of movies. look at streaming. everything is changing. technology is changing. medicine is changing. business is changing. banking is changing. you can't name a sector of this society that hasn't been built up wiped clean, then built up again over the past 25 30 years. every up with of those things in politics -- >> except politics. >> -- stuck in the 1970s, early '80s. there has been no revolution in politics. >> yeah. >> it's happened -- so that's why it's very interesting you all had that response. i like rand. i like ted cruz. i know them. but when i saw -- you know ted

cruz had the trumpets blaring and i forget exactly what he said. i'm not knocking him and what we said but it's like we need a new america, an america that's as big as the open skies. >> there was a shining city on the hill in there somewhere. >> you but had the same trumpets blaring. with rand you had the same thing. the radical thing, and donny can tell you this a guy sitting down outside just staring at the camera and saying okay listen this is why i've got to do this. the rich are getting richer the poor are getting poorer, the middle class keep losing track, the debt is going up higher. go down your list you know? >> even go further and notice there are no balloons behind me. i'm not going to talk about the open sky. we all want the same thing. i'm not going to talk about a better america. >> i'm not going to make you stupid promises in 2015. >> jeb is going to come out like that. >> that i can't keep in 2016. >> jeb bush would never do something like that.

>> a arms race how many american flags can you put behind you when you're announcing. >> i can pack a lie. i've done it. sam stein, let's go to you on this point on specifically rand paul and then i want to get of nick about a great article he wrote this weekend. >> we've got to differentiate two things. one is the technology which i do think has modernized in politics. candidates moving things online. the adoption of pair scope and meerkat and snapchat is being used. the other thing is the rhetoric which you point out is trapped in the past here. and relatively uninspired. but this ask a preview clip. i'm waiting to see the real motion picture rand april 7th. we'll see if that is as good as "fast and furious"." i doubt it. i agree with everyone else. it will be fun to see a candidate do the authenticity path to the white house, not go pomp and circumstance and be straightforward and say i'm not

going to over promise, i'm not going to underdeliver. sh what you're going to get. see if that works. >> donny, you mentioned jeb bush. nick wrote a piece in the "times" over the weekend report that jeb bush is struggling a bit to win over grass roots crowds in early election states. his ability to fund raise may not force early exits from the rest of the field. perhaps as he had hoped in the piece nick writes bush's early campaigning looks like the juggernaut that wasn't. we were talking about this it's funny, all week last week. head of your piece, that the money that rushed in early to jeb bush doesn't match when you look at the polls and how he's doing. >> it's not his father's party or even his brother's party, right? it's the post-tea party party. it's a party in which donors have come to expect that they have this role in the primary where the candidates have to go from place to place and court them. and what you see is that he's not made enough contact with actual voters. he's only been to iowa and new hampshire a handful of times.

he's probably been to dozens and dozens of fund-raisers and people kind of notice that. and the question is can he go to the next step and get in some of those early states and actually win over the people who pull a lever in the caucuses. >> what is it? is it bush exhaustion? >> i think it's a lot of things. look he wasn't -- the entire shape of the party right now was created by six years of fighting obama. the rise of the tea party and the fight against obamacare. he was off work for investment banks and doing real estate during that time. he was not there for that fight. it's not a question of like is he a conservative but where was he? >> is part of the strategy and it was a failed strategy by giuliani where they said he's planning on spending between now and the general election $50 million in florida. is it part of a bet that he says, you know what no matter what i do in iowa, a place that usually goes with a mike huckabee, or south carolina let me save my powder for when the field thins out and i'll come? >> i think they've got to win

iowa or new hampshire or south carolina or nevada or the three or four southern states that come after that. he can't wait until florida. >> no but new hampshire -- >> i'm just saying if he waits until florida he will have lost the first seven or eight races. florida comes later in like. he can't do that. >> every candidate -- >> he's got to win somewhere. >> florida florida, back back back, florida. you have to come out strong and early. >> he's got the pick iowa new hampshire, or south carolina. he's got to win one of those. coming up on "morning joe," rolling stones story about an alleged rape at the university of virginia became the story itself after critics raised questions. why an independent review is now calling it a, quote, failure of journalism. >> donny, would you like to do any other workup while we're reading teases? >> i know. >> all right. it may be edward snoweden's toughest interview yet. >> here's a hint. it was not a reporter from you know, any of the major news

networks that did the questioning. we'll show you what happened. it was amazing. but first, bill karins not so amazing with a check on the forecast. >> mika, have you seen this forecast for the baseball openers today? new york city, yankees, fantastic. washington nationals 77 degrees and sunny. about as good as it gets for opening day. >> all right. thank you, bill. kind of like you now. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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cooperation a full review after pressures rose about a story about a young woman called jackie written by a reporter. among columbia's finding, erdely did not at tefshlt to contact three of jackie's friends who later denied information attributed to them. the magazine never identified the alleged attackers and it never gave the fraternity a chance to respond to jackie's direct allegation. she apologized acknowledging, quote, i did not go far enough to verify jackie's story. i allowed my concern for jackie's well-being my fear of retraumatizing her and my confidence in her credibility to take the place of more questioning and more facts. a lawyer speak for jackie had no comment. "rolling stone" apologized for the report and the damage it caused to the fraternity and the university of virginia. uva's president teresa sullivan issued a statement late last night saying in part quote, this irresponsible journalism

unjustly damaged the reputations of many innocent individuals and the university of virginia. but while they admitted fault and failures "rolling stone" publisher juan winner says his top editors will keep their jobs and erdely will continue to report for the magazine. columbia's journalism school will hold a press conference at noon today to answer questions about its report. >> willie are you surprised that erdely keeps reporting for the magazine nobody is fired? just terrible terrible case of slandering somebody. >> give veb thisn autopsy, i think it's jaw drop that she keeps her job. i think we have to ask how this happened exactly. i don't think these are mistakes. this is an experienced reporter who knows you don't take a single source at her word on a story this serious. >> so you're saying that she was being pushed maybe by the magazine? >> i don't know if somebody had some kind of agenda whatever it was. a reporter a cub reporter knows you call somebody else.

you check the story once you check it twice. you don't take a single source on the story. the three friends of jackie who the alleged victim is called in the piece, they are quoted in the article and the quotes come from jackie and this reporter never called the three friends to verify very simply the quotes. said she called us we would have told her we never said that. >> sometimes you walk away from a story. if you can't prove it you don't know the sourcing, you walk away. it's one of the hardest things to do. you have to do that. i can't read "rolling stone" the same way ever again after this. >> sam will especially if that's their post-mortem. >> not going to have any accountability except embarrassing themselves as they did. >> if they're not going to fire somebody that raises more questions about how much everybody else is involved in pushing the story. sam, it isn't just like it was a story in a music magazine. "rolling stone" really shaped a lot of stories over the past several years and really dramatic ways. for it happening here is again, pretty darn surprising.

and because of "rolling stone"'s good reputation this changed the debate. >> yeah. >> and actually pushed the rape on campus debate to the forefront. >> yeah, and this is what makes the lack of accountability after the fact so maddening. "rolling stone" has to understand in some respect that by not holding anyone accountable, by not firing anyone, they're not just damaging their own reputation, they're damaging the reputation of the industry of journalism. people look at future stories about rape on campus or rape anywhere suspiciously and they'll think that reporters get a free pass if they get it wrong because of what "rolling stone" is doing here. it's almost irresponsible for them not to hold anyone accountable and allow this reporter to rewrite for the magazine. one of the reasons that this probably happened is what's known as confirmation bias. we want to believe something, we said in a narrative we try to prove and disregard basic rules

of journalism along the way. i don't know if there's anything more malicious or creative. i think essentially the reporter wanted something to be true and allowed things that shouldn't be in the story to go in the story because of it. >> willie the editor wanted the story to be true. everybody up and down the food chain wanted the story to be true. people in the media wanted the story to be true. no doubt there was a bias. >> the basic things that didn't happen, phone calls to sources, i mean you can still have confirmation bias and ignore the phone calls. but not to attempt to get another side of the story is shocking and shouldn't be writing for the magazine again. let's move on to one of the toughest interviews we've seen of nsa leaker edward snowden. here's hbo's john oliver grilling the man who exposed the government's secret surveillance program. >> how many of those documents have you actually read? >> i've evaluated all of the documents that are in the

archive. >> you've read every single one? >> well, i do understand what i turned over. >> there's a difference between understanding what's in the documents and reading what's in the documents. >> i recognize the concern. >> because when you are handing over thousands of nsa documents the last thing you want to is read them. >> any my defense, i'm not handling anything anymore. that's been passed to the journalists. they're using extraordinary security measures to make sure this is reported in the most responsible way. >> "the new york times" took a slide. didn't redact it properly and in the end it was possible for people to see that something was being used in mosul on al qaeda. >> that is a problem. >> that's a [ bleep ] up. >> that is a [ bleep ] up and these things do happen in reporting. in journalism we have to accept that some mistakes will be made. this is a fundamental concept of liberty. >> right. but you have to own that then. you're giving documents with information you know could be

harmful, which could get out there. >> yes. >> wow. >> that was riveting. that was unbelievable. >> yeah. >> really really good reporting. i can't believe i'm saying this. >> it's the fastest half hour on television. >> holy mackerel. >> really smart guy. it's striking to see, we're used to seeing him in that interview setting on "the daily show." you're waiting for the gag to come no gag. >> he went harder than most said attend when he said you have to own this. if you're going to leak it you have to own this. >> snowden looked as uncomfortable as we've seen him. >> an interesting thing he threw out the "f" bomb, in an interview when people start talking real and genuinely. obviously you can't if you're an anchor on an evening newscast. it goes out of the i'm here you're there and just kind of -- >> stop playing tv and you start having a real conversation. >> like the you're talking in real life you go what the and you would do that.

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opinion pages host of msnbc's "politics nation" and president of action network reverend al sharpton. a lot to talk with you about. you've got a big event coming up. but first, tom friedman has a piece that he's written after his interview with the president about the nuclear deal. and here's what he writes. the obama doctrine and iran. what struck me most was what i'd call an obama doctrine embedded in the president's remarks. it emerged when i asked if there was a common denominator to his decisions to break free from longstanding united states policies isolating burma cuba and now iran. obama said his view was that engagement combined with meeting core strategic needs could serve american interests vis-a-vis these three countries far better than endless sanctions and isolation. he added that america, with its overwhelming power, needs to have the self confidence to take some calculated risks to open important new possibilities, like trying to forge a

diplomatic deal with iran. >> donny, do you agree? >> i'm going to say what i said before. we all sit here with opinions like we know. this is a big question mark. i just -- everything in my left brain says, yes, boy, this makes since. but then everything in my right brain says when you look over centuries can you change a culture, a mindset, and is this a country to be trusted? >> that is the question. >> i don't think any of us can sit here and say that. >> we can't. >> so what does that mean? that means you tread very very cautiously and very, very cautiously and lyly and carefully. >> the other question you have to ask yourself is if you don't engage do you accelerate going into some kind of military confrontation, a war? i think that there's no easy answer here. i think what the president obama is saying is that if we can try and take the risk a calculated

risk, but a risk that we can avoid some -- some acceleration toward war. there are clearly some that oppose the, quote, obama doctrine, that could careless about going to war. i think we need the balance and i think that's what the president is trying to strak a. >> sam stein, interesting american political angle that may determine whether or not this deal actually becomes a deal. it's on the front page of the "wall street journal" this morning which is that congressional republicans say they want a big role in reviewing this and deciding whether or not it passes. >> well, yeah i mean this is the question is can obama sell the thing at home? it might be tougher than putting the teal together in the first place. the sdrags thinks it has leeway to implement whatever it does. they don't think they need ratification. in the end if you're going to have complete sanctions relief for the iranians presuming they meet a certain number of benchmarks, then congress will have to actually relieve those sanctions. and that's where the president

needs the buy-in from lawmakers and he's scrambling really hard. i've talked to a few people who say they haven't seen outreach like this since the affordable care act. >> sam, is it fair to say that one place the president lost it was kind of relieving the sanctions over time that the sanctions get lifted immediately and that was a big chip for the president to give up? >> yeah. this is one of those technical details. there's two types of sanctions. international sanctions all the p5+1 and the u.n. put to the and the u.n. sanctions. each one of them get relieved in different time frames. but, yeah this was the big sticking point for iran. they wanted immediate sanctions relief. the u.s. said, well, you've got a few benchmarks first. this is one of those details that in the next three months we'll know a lot more about. >> all right. before we go the reverend al is hosting the national convention for the national action network. it's getting under way wednesday in times square here in new york and wraps up on saturday. it's at the sheraton in new

york's times square. incredible lineup. >> the cast of "empire" and others talking at culture but the families from the mukichael broub case brown case and dr. ben carson. so we hear from people that don't agree with my politics. we have michael steele. >> michael steele. we have governor o'malley. we have senator saunders. >> mika and i are waiting for our invitation. >> yeah. how fantastic. >> we have to have a special event for mika. >> oh. >> mika and joe. just mika. >> what about joe? >> we have to have a special event for mika. like i said we have a-list people and grass roots activists going to be there. >> joe has been to our convention twice. >> that's going to be great. the lineup looks incredible. >> it's all free. people can go to actionnetwork.net. >> i'm about the only person the reverend has specifically put on a no entry list. >> no-fly list.

>> that remains. joe and i go back and forward because we're friends, but you, i got -- >> not so much. >> i have to get joe's permission and he hasn't granted. >> this looks great. really great lineup. >> we're excited. >> reverend al thank you. up next, from philadelphia to new york, the number of suspects accuse of trying to join isis continues to grow. we're going to talk to the man who ran the cia's counter terror department about the surge of would be jihadists. we'll be right back. anncr: sometimes our pets... aren't the only ones... that make bad choices. woman: honey, i'm home! anncr: now there's petarmor plus. so you can protect your pets without the shame of overpaying. petarmor plus. available at your local supercenter.

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hours before they sent special forces into battle al shabaab militants. the masked gunmen were killed within 30 minutes after think arrived. they're defending the response saying it takes time to assess and make decisions. one of the four attackers has been identified as the son of a local government official. he was studying law at nairobi university but with drew from the school and later reported missing by his family. meanwhile, kenya's president is vowing to fight terrorism to end in the fiercest way possible. it comes as al shabaab warns that safety measures will not prevent it from carrying out additional attacks. the continued unrest in yemen appears to be leading to a resurge jens of al qaeda in the region. as seen on the front page of this morning's "washington post" "'s yemen branch seized control of the country's fifth largest city, fost forcing residents and soldiers to flee. top member of al qaeda was among hundreds of inmates freed during a prison break.

shiite rebels arrested more than 100 activists and political leaders suspected of supporting saudi-led air strikes against the insurgents. the officials were detained at homes and offices in yemen's capital. the rebels also appeared to be making gains in the key southern port city of aden despite 12 days of air strikes and heavy fighting. >> with us now former cia analyst and senior research fellow at counter terrorism strategy at the new america foundation, phil mudd. also the author of "the head game." philip, what's "the head game" about as it relates to terrorism? >> terrorism is the same problem you face in everyday life. there's a ton of data coming in data from human sources, communications. same thing you have when you buy a house, a ton of data. >> you say the data is no good. >> don't get to -- >> don't do it that way. >> don't start with the data. start with what question you're trying to answer. if you've got 25,000 people going to fight with isis that's

piece of data. the question isn't whether they represent a threat the question is what are those 25,000 people mean for security in new york city? very different question. start with the question not the data. >> you're saying -- you've got the data 25,000 people in syria and iraq but you're a lot more worried about the 12 people that come back to new york city. >> that's right. the question you've got to start with is not whether al qaeda is proving to be a huge magnet for foreign fighters from europe and united states. the question is whether that means the threat level in washington and new york has risen. >> what do you think about these numbers? 25,000. >> they are worth something. >> how do you know that there are 25,000? >> let me give you a technical intelligence term, wag. that means wild ass guess. >> that's literally our lange want. we now understand. >> taking behind the curtain in the intelligence world. we used to sit at -- we used to sit doing a sort of major intelligence assessment a table twice as big as this maybe 12,

15 people around the table. if you came to me and said we're going to give the american people and joe scarborough a precise answer for how many people are going to iraq my response would be, we can give tell a w.a.g. but if you turn around and say that's a very good guess about what's going on in iraq i would say that gives the word gisuess a bad name. we really don't know. >> philip whatever that number is from where you sit, can you assess the threat of not just these 25,000 people but of isis in the middle east to attack back here in the united states? >> yes. what you've got to do again taking the approach that says don't start with the data first, what are the characteristics of threat. does isis have leadership that's visionary enough to think my target isn't just baghdad, it's new york? the answer is yes. does baghdad have access to people clean skins, people can good documentation who can get through passport controls in places like britain and new york. the answer is yes. has isis shown the intent by taerchting to attack in the west? we've seen attacks in europe already. the answer is yes.

that combination in terror group shs leadership with the will the capability to attack the west and leadership with access to kids who can get back to the west, that's less common than you would think. very rare in terrorist groups to have that combination. >> you think the threat is high then? >> i would say significant. the upside of this and i hate to -- i only rarely get upside in the counter terrorism game. most people going over there, a, are not operationally motivated to come home. that's a kid from the bronx who said i'm energized by this campaign. i want to go back there and fight and die in iraq. not come back to new york. >> homeland security secretary jay johnson last night on "60 minutes." he's discussing investigations here at home into potential terror suspects. take a look. >> the fbi says it has a homegrown extremist investigations going on in every single state. how serious, how serious is this threat? is it hair on fire? every state? >> i certainly don't believe in the hair on fire phenomenon.

>> every state? i mean that means it's percolating everywhere. >> the fact we have investigations in every state does not surprise me. we are very concerned about young people romanticizeing a group like isil. so we've got to keep tabs on it all. >> so there's a family going to dairy freeze tonight and, you know kalamazoo have something to worry about? >> first, don't go to cardairy freeze, go get a salad. retroamerica, health for our children. to be blunt, it's not about isis or al qaeda in yemen. what we've seen here is a quick change. 2000 is we have a central group sending a very few people 19 hijackers, strategic threat. now we have, to be frank, a unch be of chump change people in cities like new york and chicago who say i don't really know how to be a terrorist but maybe i can get a propane tank. the problem is capability is much lower than we witnessed 14 years ago but the breadth of the problem is higher. you're going to see some

low-level strike shooting up a shopping mall, for example. we should not mistake that for an indication that al qaeda is on the surge in the united states. >> okay. the book is "the head game," philip mudd thank you. >> thank you. >> w.a.g. i get it now. i like it. i was really -- >> morning w.a.g. >> there's a lot of things that we could use with that phrase. thank you very much. on tomorrow's show we're going to have the first interview, the state department wendy sherman, the lead american negotiator in the nuclear talks with iran. we'll talk about the deal and the different versions of it depending on who is telling you about it. also we're just five days away from the first know your value event in philadelphia. this friday, oh, my goodness it's this friday. there's time to grab a ticket to interact with this packed lineup of all-star guests. you can find ticket information at msnbc.com/knowyourvalue. >> excue me. >> i saw it. >> are you laughing at me? >> elizabeth warren right? hoda is going to be there.

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despite hillary clinton's claims that she used her personal e-mail while secretary of state to avoid carrying more than one device a new report shows that she e-mailed with her ipad in addition to her blackberry. even more alarming her e-mail signature was sent from my benghazi cover-up device. >> wow. >> okay. stop. >> that's kind of -- that's almost a smoking gun, willie. >> it is. >> no. pope francis praised the framework for the nuclear agreement with iran in his annual easter message at st. peter's basilica. it's beautiful. he said the deal reached in switzerland last week, quote, it may be a definitive step toward a more secure and fraternal world. the pope also urged the world to pray for peace and singled out countries like kenya, iraq and libya where christians have been targeted by islamist extremists in calling for an end to present absurd bloodshed and all barbaric acts of violence.

>> the pope also spoke out about conspiracy of silence against christians being slaughtered and persecuted. said the world needed to speak out against it more aggressively. >> former cuban president fidel castro has made his first public appearance in 14 months. 88-year-old castro was described as full of vitality greeting venezuela and visitors and local cuban school. >> he looks full of vitality. >> through the window of his vehicle. >> not so much. >> castro's emerge jens last week is first appearance since president obama announced plans planses to begin normal relations with hip. he retired in 2008. his younger brother raul was elected addss his replacement. and this from the "new jersey star ledger," you're going to like this. >> the guy is 88. he must have become like grand dictator when he was like 12. i can't believe he's only 88. >> this is from the "new jersey star ledger." new jersey police responded to

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deal for iran and it's a nightmare deal for the world. if you press iran strongly enough i think that what they don't accept today they can accept tomorrow. >> well, i think he said what he's had to say. i wish that he would contain himself. >> the disagreements that i've had with p.m. netanyahu -- >> do you trust the president, mr. p.m.? >> i trust the president is doing what he thinks is good for the united states. >> our defense of israel is unshakeable. >> the president said the deal is far from funinished. >> the fact is that congress has a rightful role to play in this. that doesn't mean there won't be a deal. we just set in place a process to ensure that if there is a deal, it's a deal that will stand the test of time. >> the best deal i think comes with a new president. hillary clinton would do better. i think everybody on our side except maybe rand paul could do better. >> wow. >> welcome back to "morning joe." did you hear lindsay? >> he just said hillary clinton would do better than rand paul? >> his side would do better but

not rand paul. >> veered out. >> whoa. >> i feel like he's running for president just to mess with rand paul. >> do you think he and mccain are like talking, hey lindsey, you should run? >> no i think it's the whole thing just to put pressure on rand paul and keep rand paul from becoming the nominee. >> sam stein is still with us. >> i'm not joking. >> it's like he's the enforcer in the hockey games. brutus, go out and take the other guy's head off. >> i think he is. it's hilarious to watch lindsey graham troll rand paul at every turn. you expect at this juncture he would be more comfortable vote for hillary clinton than rand paul. also joining us jeffrey goldberg. good tv you onboard as well. notice how iran is sort of presenting the deal as opposed to the united states? it's very different. the emphasis. it's just different. president obama looked to rally support over the weekend for the

iranian nuclear agreement. to spell out why he's sitting down with a country that has repeatedly threatened our closest ally in the region. the president sat down with tom friedman, one of the -- of the "new york times" in the oval office and explained how america's military muscle provides breathing room for attempts at diplomacy. >> we are powerful enough to be able to test these propositions without putting ourselves at risk. >> that's interesting. >> and that's the thing that sometimes, as i hear these debates going on people don't seem to understand. iran's defense budget is $30 billion. our defense budget is closer to $600 billion. run understands that they cannot fight us. so for us to say, let's try understanding that we're preserving all of our options, that we're not naive, but if in fact, we can resolve these issues diplomatically, we are more likely to be safe more likely to be secure, in a better

position to protect our allies and who knows, iran may change. if it doesn't, our deterrence capabilities, our military superiority stays in place. it does not end our problems with iran and we are still going to be aggressively working with our allies and friends to reduce and hopefully at some point stop the destabilizing activities that iran has engaged in. the sponsorship of terrorist organizations. and that may take some time but it's our belief it's my belief that we will be in a stronger position to do so if nuclear issue has been put in a box. >> president obama wasn't the only one making his case. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu appeared on three separate sunday show where's he explained his opposition to the nuclear framework while warning

of iran's regional ambitions. >> i'm not trying to kill any deal. i'm trying to deal a bad deal. you say it's historic decision historic deal. it could be historically bad deal. because it leaves the preeminent terrorist state of our time with a vast nuclear infrastructure. this is a deal that leaves iran with a capacity to produce the material through many many nuclear bombs and it does so by lifting the sanctions pretty much up front. so iran will have billions of dollars flown to coffers, not for school or hospitals or roading, but to pump up its worldwide terror machine and its military machine which is busy conquering the middle east as we speak. >> mika let's play word association game. benjamin netanyahu, go. >> i just -- no. no, i'm not playing that game. but i think had he not said anything leading up and had not done that speech before congress and the party are w. the republicans and israel supporters, whatever constant hammering away at this deal

even before we knew what the deal was, that would really be a strong statement. that would be really -- that would -- might move the needle. but it doesn't. >> gain beyond his speech to congress except a campaign ad for his own re-election. >> and lost credibility when the deal came out to have a really cogent counter point to it. >> he got re-elected. let's bring in jeffrey goldberg. jeffrey, you say of the deal it formalizes iran's status as a vengeful nuclear threshold state by allowing it to maintain a vast nuclear infrastructure. this was not part of the international community's original plan and it is a cause to worry and yet your article is entitled" on iran the least worst option." is it a deal we should take if we can get it on june 30stth? >> depends on what's in the -- what's in the actual deal. the thing that we're forgetting in the last few days is that this is called a framework treatment agreement but it's actually more framework than agreement at this point. one example is the prime

minister -- prime minister netanyahu, just said in that little clip he talked about sanctions being lifted up front. we don't know when sanctions are going to be lifted frankly, and we don't know the pace of sanctions lifting because i don't think these things have been decided. a lot of things haven't been decided yet. it would seem that if you're trying to shape the deal rather than kill the deal that what he would do is spend the next three months lobbying the president, talking to the various allies about strengthening the deal rather than sort of just going on television and issuing these statements about how bad the deal is. >> jeffrey, it's willie. there already seems to be distance between how iranians freed the framework and how americans read what's in the frame work. we saw it right out of the gate when zarif tweeted right all of the deal it was too soon to put

out the fact sheets. >> it took a full hour. >> i guess access to nuclear sites is one point of dispute and as you said how and when the sanctions will be lifted. >> right. >> are we seeing a different deal in the united states than they're seeing in iran? >> very much so because, look zarif has to sell this to the hard liners. one of the things that's going to happen with him, i think, is the hard liners are going to be going to the supreme leader ayatollah comedy, and saying you wouldn't believe what they just gave away in switzerland. that's what the whole issue is with this underground facility. keeping it open. huge concession to the iranians and face-saving concession. the framework of the deal they're not going to be doing anything meaningful on that site so there are a lot of hard liners in iran whoa what are we doing here? we're to the spending centrifuge there's? we spent billion of dollars to build this thing and now we're not going to be able to use it. >> do you think this is a tough deal for both sides? it's one of these things as a lawyer when you negotiated you

always knew if both sides walked away from the table upset that you probably had a good deal? >> right. >> do we have that here? >> i don't think -- >> is the united states being taken advantage of? >> i don't think we have it yet. but on the question of whether the u.s. is being taken advantage of, look this is the moment for the president to say, you know i've got this framework agreement. i've got them locked into this agreement now or into the framework of an agreement. i'm going to start putting pressure on them to help our arab allies to help israel. i'm going to put pressure on them now in syria, lebanon, to stop all the other nefarious activities we believe they're engaged in. that's one of the things they looking for in the next couple of months is a stepped up effort to contain iran's other goals and other deeds in the region. >> the keoghy keogh oh. >> can i ask one question? >> yes. >> much less sophisticated approach. you look at the deal -- >> says the man wearing a red

pinstripe suit. but go ahead. >> you look at this deal on paper and you want to feel good about it. i want to ask everybody, in your gut, in your gut, because i think we're all as humans we have a detector in there. isn't there something telling you, don't do a deal with this -- as much as you want to feel good about it, deepest in your gut is there something -- >> what's the alternative to that? >> i'm feeling you have to get used to the idea of least worst options, right? like instead of good solutions. what the least bad way we can do this? i'm not sure there's a better solution right now available to us. >> i don't see it but there's also something, that little voice deep inside that says -- >> it's more than a little voice. >> why in the world would you feel that way about a a nation that's been the epicenter of international terror since 1979? >> thank you. >> a nation that continues to target and kill americans and allies across the globe, a nation that's more powerful right now spreading terror

across the middle east than ever before, a countries that power -- more power today than it had since ayatollah khomeni came back from paris and held american hostages. >> thank you. >> yeah i feel about as comfortable as this deal jeffrey, as i did about any deal we would ever strike with the soviet union and yet we did strike deals with the soviet union. i didn't like it at the time but things worked out well there. to me it comes down to verification. they have to let the international community in nonstop in ways the north koreans never did. if they don't, we just can't do it. >> joe here's another thing to worry about, to add to your list of things. they talk about the snapback provisions. in other words, if down the road the iranians are caught cheating, then sanctions come back on. the problem here is -- i don't know how to avoid it. the problem here is that the iranians will spend the next several years building their economy up. they're going to be getting billions of dollars they otherwise wouldn't be getting

under sanctions because they made this agreement. later down the road they start to trim start to cheat a little bit. then they have -- so they have the opportunity then to withstand the snapback sanctions because their economy is so much stronger. so you know they might be playing a very long game here that we don't know. >> sam stein? >> i had a question for jeff which is, israel about this deal is monolofic. he's on sunday shows talking about how bad a deal is. i wonder within the domestic politics of israel if there's more of a divide we don't know about? >> excellent question. what you do have and you've had this all along, the political echelon, the leadership echelon, they are trying to kill the deal. on the military and intelligence leadership echelon what they want, from what i understand what they want netanyahu to do and his next cabinet to do is to argue for better provisions within the deal. they are -- i mean, i'm showing

my bias here but i think they're more reality based in what they're trying to achieve than simply trying to crush the deal. >> willie? >> let's move to other news to boston. in just a few hours closing arguments will begin in the trial against alleged marathon bomber bomber. pete, good morning. >> the jury's verdict seems a foregone conclusion but two questions are eager to hear how they got resolved. one is will take the stand? his own lawyers conceded he was involved in the bombing of the shootings that followed. joe tsarnaev has dealing with the deaths of four victims would mean he would face the possibility of a death penalty in the second trial. the jury would then choose between death or life in prison

without parole me did not testify in this part of the trial. the guilt the phase. instead, staring straight ahead in court most of the time or slumping in his chair at the defense table. even during testimony that had jurors in tears, such as from rebekah gregory who lost a leg. but his lawyers have repeatedly said that he was dominated by his older brother atamerlan who they said took the major steps in the spree. if it could humanize him he could testify in the follow-on trial when the jury must be unanimous to impose the death penalty. >> if one juror votes for life he gets life. and it's a hallmark of our criminal justice system when you're going to apply or seek the ultimate penalty, then we require unanimity from the jury. >> reporter: the defense kept focus on the penalty phase putting on just four witnesses compared to the total of 92 called by the government. so closing arguments today from the lawyers. then instructions from the judge. it's possible the jury could begin deliberating late today

and a verdict could come quickly, perhaps within a matter of a few days willie. >> we will see. pete williams in boston. jeffrey goldberg thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," 150 years and counting. the nation magazine is marking an historic milestone. we're going to look back at some of the most defining moments. plus, "rolling stone" admits to ignoring basic journalistic practices and is now discredited article about an alleged gang rape at the university of virginia. we're going to have a live report from the campus turned upside-down by the allegations. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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after questions arose after a story written by a reporter about a young woman named jackie. nbc's gabe gutierrez reports from charlottesville, virginia. >> reporter: this morning the story that horrified the country last fall has been retracted, replaced on the "rolling stone" website with a headline what went wrong? a new independent review calls the article a story of journalistic failure that was avoidable. a woman identified as jackie claims she was sexually assaulted by seven men at a uva fraternity in 2012. but this report from the prestigious columbia university journalism school released late sunday finds "rolling stone" violated basic journalistic principles by not contacting jackie's friends to check her story. >> in f. this reporter had just contacted you could all of this been avoides? >> yeah absolutely. >> reporter: overnight we sat down with ryan duffen and alex stock, two of jackie's friends mentioned in the article. >> also wondering why there was

a quote attributed to me that i had never given. >> reporter: the report finds "rolling stone" did not find hard enough to locate the person accuse of orchestrating the assault and did not give the fraternity a chance to review the allegations in detail. the reporter apologized. i allowed my concern for jackie's well-being, my fear of retraumatizing her, and my confidence in her credibility to take the place of more questioning and more facts. charlottesville police say while they can't rule out something terrible happened at some point -- >> all i can tell you is there is no substantive basis to conclude what is described in that article happened that night. >> reporter: calling the article irresponsible journalism uva's president said it did nothing to combat sexual violence and it damaged serious efforts to address the issue. >> i think there is a lot to be learned from what happened here and i think that's sort of the good take away. >> reporter: today the magazine is apologizing to its readers and to anybody who was damaged by the piece. dessfit the criticism, however,

everyone involved will keep their jobs. a lawyer for jackie has declined to comment. later today, columbia university is scheduled to hold a news conference to discuss this more in detail. guys, back to you. >> gabe gutierrez on chasmampus, thanks. npr media correspondent david who has interviewed the deans of the columbia graduate school of journalism and will dana the managing editor of" rolling stone." you've been all over this story since it exploded months ago. your reaction to the report but also the decision by "rolling stone" to let sabrina elrdly to keep her job. >> they acknowledge everybody who touched that story made mistake, made mistakes of comission, not just aid missions of admission. decision to allow the reporter not to confirm key details friends that the acushionercuser named only as jackie not to verify or dispute. not to allow the alleged

attacker to respond to the allegations of a gang rape. there are just a series of just mortal flewaws here. also there is a lack of responsibility, that there is no sense that -- of accountability and also no sense, will dana has said to me and others there's nothing we need to do differently except not make those mistakes. that's a circular logic there. >> i don't know if anything can be done to make up for the damage to uva's reputation that they endured throughout this whole thing. >> i thought it was interesting, will dana apologized last night, finally formally retracting the story and bringing it down from the website. he apologized to the university of virginia to the fraternity involved. the reporter herself also issued her own statement and apologized to the university and also to women who feel like they may not be able to come forward but not to the fraternity. a fraternity locust of the

accusation of this gang rape. stingy approach to apologizing that i think in a way that affects their belief in the importance of this issue, in the importance of believing in accusers and people who are rape survivors and in this case to the incredible detriment of journalistic values. >> huge. sam stein? >> david, as you know with reports this sensitive, they always go through a lawyer before being published. one of the great unknowns at least at this point for me even after columbia's post-mortem here is what that lawyer said to the reporters and to the editors at "rolling stone." what do we know about the lawyer file here? what do we know about what was said? do we know anything? is that the last big question that's still unanswered? >> i think it's fair to call that a black box at this point, sam. one of the conditions of "rolling stone"'s rather complete cooperation in the report after all they turned over hundreds of pages of transcripts, of e-mails, of raw drafts of the story. they really did do what you might think of as an open i can

mona except in that question of what the lawyers did. retain client -- attorney/client privilege. >> is there a question here about the role of the journalist's advocate? she obviously saw herself at some point as an advocate for a victim and that affected the whole way she went about reporting this story. >> i think there's an incredibly strong place for robust advocacy journalism or opinion journalism. but i think that requires an even greater degree of transparency with readers about the choices you're making. readers didn't know that the -- not only were the friends of jackie seemingly backing up her account, they were given pseudonyms but they weren't interviewed. the entire narrative was based on one source the accusers. that wasn't clear to readers. similarly, it wasn't clear to readers they hadn't made the attempt to reach out to the attacker nor that they had given sufficient information to the fraternity or the university with which to rebut or respond to the accusations. i think that for advocacy

journalists in particular, and you can say this sort of goes in the line between opinion and advocacy that's a fair assess assessment here they have been to be clearly xleer with readers. >> dealing with the fraternity and the school they were almost trying to avoid -- this is the cynic in me right? trying to avoid enough information out of the school or frat could have used to knock down the story before it was published which i find really troubling. >> media outlets are competitive. "the washington post" and other publications had started to raise questions, university of virginia prior to publication according to what erdely told me because what they were talking about among themselves. at the same point that's not truly a journalistic value. the question of trying to protect somebody they view -- they think is rightly a rape survivor is not a value that can trump your journalistic need to be sure you know what you're publishing is true and right. >> pr's david, thank you very much. nice to meet you. coming up live to

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new set of ideas, a new leader one you can trust, one who works for you and, above all, it's time for a new president. >> isn't that kind of setting yourself up to fail? i don't know. that was republican senator rand paul. >> wearing the red suit? >> teasing his announcement of a presidential bid in 2016. no i just think these grandiose announcements with you know football fields full of people and a circle and the round or whatever ted cruz did and this it's like -- where are you going to go for there? down. >> we talked in the last hour. they're the only medium that has not caught up with 21st century communications. >> it does not mean you should.

>> yes. >> right, joe? >> that's what i've always said. with us now from washington chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen with more on rand paul's expected slogan slogan. beat the machine, vote for me? what is it? >> yes, so you're seeing this for the first time here on "morning joe" this is the slogan rand paul is going to unveil with his announcement tomorrow. defeat the washington machine, unleash the american dream. that's about to go behind the curtain here. the idea is that this is a populous theme that could run through both the primaries and general election. and you will see in there a subtle reference, his advisers will tell you, both to jeb bush to scott walker and to hillary clinton. there's just one problem with this of course. rand paul last time i checked is a united states senator and they actually work in washington, d.c. >> oh, so he's defeating his own machine. i'm confused. >> what's the flame, also? >> the miami heat logan.

>> i like the logo. >> flame of liberty. >> the flame of liberty. you would know about that upper east side. >> looks like a hipster hairdo to me. >> no, it's a mouthful. from, yes, we can, do one, two three, four, five, six, seven words? long slogan. >> i like the flame of liberty. that's cool. >> mike allen, thank you. nice. >> have a great opening day. >> great opening day. >> yes. and tonight the big game finals, right? >> do you know who is playing? >> yes i do. >> name it. give us two teams who are playing? >> wisconsin. >> wisconsin. >> right? >> wisconsin and duke. i'm doing very female thing here. i'm questions myself. wisconsin and duke damn it i'm not sorry. >> know your value. be strong. >> you know what? >> when do i punch him? >> i used to know your value. i love what you do. he was mocking you. >> he's going to pay for that. >> i think he should. >> i pay for everything. with us now from washington for the latest on the iran nuclear

agreement, n brks c news chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports" who just delivered remarkable reporting from switzerland for the past few weeks, andrea mitchell. thank you so much. we are honored to be in your presence. >> now i know i'm in trouble. >> how is president obama going to sell this deal to congress? how does he sell this to congress? >> it's going to be very tough. first of all, he did a high profile in the no, times interview. it doesn't get even high -- any higher profile than an interview with thomas friedman. in answering prime minister netanyahu and other critics of the iran deal he's got a clear message. he says he's got israel's back. >> with the nuclear deal under fire from israel and many in congress president obama chose acclaimed "new york times" columnist, thomas friedman to mount a vigorous defense of the nuclear framework and guarantee israel's defense. >> i understand that prime

minister netanyahu is expressing the deep rooted concerns that a lot of israeli population feel about this. what we will be doing even as we enter into this deal is sending a very clear message to the iranians and to the entire region that if anybody messes with israel america will be there. >> let me start -- >> reporter: that will not appease prime minister nets on "meet the press." >> i think this deal is a dream deal for iran and it's a nightmare deal for the world. >> reporter: the administration is counting on secretary of state kerry's partner at the negotiations, energy secretary earnest monez, a nuclear physicist to defend it. >> we have blocked all of these pathways to a bomb. this is a long-term arrangement. >> reporter: since thursday's agreement iran and the u.s. are disagreeing about what they settled on in lieuuzon. zarif is dispute that sanctions would be phased out gradually,

stockpiles of nuclear fuel eliminated. >> this seems to have been designed so as to create enough space for each side to build the political support it needed to get us to a final agreement. >> but there's a real problem in that, the agreement was deliberately am business was. they couldn't agree on language. that was to try to prevent hard liners in iran and critics here at home from shooting it down immediately. but that's going to make it a lot much -- a lot harder i think, to nail down a final agreement. the one that's supposed to be binding on both sides come june because in that interim period iran could walk away from it or could say, well, we didn't really agree to that. so i think there is a lot of difficulty going ahead. >> they could cheat. there's a long way to go. andrea mitchell thank you very much. >> andrea mitchell knows her value. >> she does. >> i don't know about that. >> we will be watching you today at noon. thank you very much. >> thank you. up next the nation magazine has been around since 1865. 150 years later, it is still

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>> you tartstarted as an intern. >> i started as an intern. >> if you were a progress i, if you were a liberal, what better time to start than in the age of reagan and trying to -- >> trying to change the course of history which we're still -- >> what's your response to that? >> that's part of what "the nation" is going for 150 years. always been about all teshternatives and challenges the orthodox the politics of downsize excluded alternatives. that's what we're about. >> not just the orthodox xiy of republicans but even the democratic party at times. >> absolutely. the magazine was founded independent. i think its independence has been one of the reasons it survived so long. and it is free of -- this belief, it's a belief in politic, parties, or policies and more belief in what can happen when you tell people the

truth. i think that's part of what the nation is about. >> erica, i read your essay. it's fascinating. of course i disagreed a lot of it ideaologicallyideologically. >> i wouldn't have it any other way. >> at the end you said that. and progressive, liberal, whatever want to call it strip down worry about what works? that's why i always said i was conservative because my type of conservative i believe at the end of the day strips it down but is interested in what works. >> maybe we agree on a lot of things, maybe not. your type of conservatism is a thing of the past. >> are you saying i'm a dinosaur? >> excuse me? >> the current conservative movement is not a move -- is not a group of people concerned with what works. if they were -- >> i'm not sure if that's his type of conservatism. >> that's what i'm saying. global warming, they wouldn't deny basic economic et cetera

et cetera. liberalism -- conservatives like to say as i say that liberals like high taxes and high swending. that's not true. liberals like whatever works. conservatives will tell you they want small government. small government is better a louls for more freedom. that's ideological position. liberal position is if we can do it one way, do it this way, do it another way, do it another way. >> russell kirk would say, again, going back to the 1950s, would say the same held true for conservatives then. >> when you talk about the reagan era, the idea of freedom has been so contested over time in this country and great historian of reconstruction and lincoln and slavery has an essay, i think one of the fighting reasons for the nation is never to see the idea of freedom to the right. and to understand in this ongoing debate about are we an exceptional nation indispensable, freedom has many meern

meanings but the nation was founded in the belief that we got to create a more perfect union. that's not going to happen. founded by abolitionists, all young men, one of them was the architect of central park. founded in -- committed to ending slavery. and the echos of that fight continue in different periods. >> one of the things that surprised me i had no idea i don't think most people would, that it was founded by abolitionists, 1865 the year the civil war ended. and yet in the '80s and '90s you talk about the mixed record of the nation where actually the sympathy for former slaves went away support for jim crowe laws -- what happened? >> you know i would ask viewers to reader rick phoner's essay in this issue andly co-editor of this issue has a book coming out called "the nation a biography," it's "the nation" tracked the liberalism and the arc of the country.

>> very quickly the reformers of that era got tired of dealing with the question of race and the question of racial justice. we saw that in the pages of "the nation" as well. i think what's interesting use read through the issue you read through the history of this debate that we've bb having and that we're still having. one of the most fascinating pieces in the issue is when was get to martin luther king's annual updates from the movement, and in '66 he's looking back on the successes of the past two years and he's saying that's been great, this has been easy but it's required nothing of white people. the hard part is now coming where we have to figure out how the deal with economic inequality and things that come out of that. and that's the fight we're still having. that's where we're at. >> the other fight we're having is about war and peace. martin luther king jr. did give the famous speech against vietnam at the riverside church but it was at a nationen event two months earlier he came out against the war. in many ways he was ostracized not just in the african-american community but by liberals

because of that and that's been part of the nation's history. eric has written a lot about what is the liberal media. the liberal media in many ways took this nation to war in -- against iraq a failed war which eric writes about in his column in the issue. the quote, unquote, liberal media. >> these guys. >> feel the war that was going to liberate the middle east and set democracy apart. but i'm saying that we -- we refused to go along with it. >> how does "the nation," how do you handle when you see something spiraling out of control like syria over the last two or three years and we now have somebody at the united nations, samantha power who wrote a pulitzer prize winning book about not getting involved in the balkans and the horrors that followed. syria unfolds. people like me are saying hold on, we've been an occupying force for 12 years. let's not leap in there. the consequences sometimes of not getting involved militarily can be disastrous too.

how does "the nation" handle syria, isis because a lot of people are wringing their hands right now going,god, what do we do? >> first things first. if the country had listened to "the nation" in 2003 there would be no isis or collapse in syria. the collapse in syria is our function of the invasion in iraq. >> what do we do now? >> what do we do now? first of all, i mean what do we do now? we have how many minutes? it's a complicated problem. that's another reason why we have "the nation," we deal with things at length. >> for instance let's say "the nation" could have seen what would have happened and 200,000 people would have died would "the nation" supported the united nations? >> "the nation" has also been a place where there have been debates between liberals radicals progressive, cone serve tives with a conscience there's not a line on many things. humanitarian intervention there are different views. there were at the time of haiti a few years ago.

the problem with humanitarian intervention, i think it has been hijacked too often and become a military intervention. and my vup and "the nation" is opposed to reckless war. "the nation" often says heretical rights and argues heretical things at one time that later become common sense later. they argued in our pages, hey, maybe a negotiated solution in veetal would be better than sending how many? >> so ky i am trying desperately to put some meat on these 150-year-old bones. i'm not getting it over here. i'm going the turn to you. let's get specific. i'm not trying to pin anybody down. i don't think anybody has a good answer to this. i'm wondering though what's liberalism's answer what's progressive's answer what's "the nation"'s answer to the syria crisis. 250,000 people dead continues to go on and everybody is talking past each other. >> from what you conflate

humanitarian intervention and military intervention it's difficult to arrive at a solution. that's the box we're in on the response to syria. >> what do we do? >> humanitarian intervention is one that we need. >> 4 million refugees. >> which is different from launching a military campaign. and so adequate resources put in humanitarian intervention is what we're looking for. >> i'm going to get in trouble because we need to go to break. i need to ask you all the pressing question of our time right now economically at least, average wages have been on the decline since 1973. rich keep getting richer. the poor keep getting poorer. the i.t. revolution has gutted a lot of middle class workers. what do we do? >> number one, we don't lower taxes on capital gains which has not shown to -- not shown to improve the economy at all but gives the rich people reach. we don't have this carried interest deduction for hedge fund. the value of the nation as i see it i disagree an awful lot of what is in "the nation."

we look at the problem of perspective of the poor and powerless and people who don't have a voice in the mainstream debate. if you look t our economic debates, driven by the 1% of the 1%. we can talk about matters, all these different ways to address the inequality crisis. if you read "the nation" back in the clinton era, we opposed -- >> we opposed the repeal of glass stable which today is something that is the rallying cry for liz bestelizabeth warren and others because in so many ways led to the financial crisis. chris hasteyes, former d.c. editor wrote a piece in 2007 about the coming foreclosure tsunami. ky has written several important pieces about what the impact of the great recession on the african-american community has been. let me just say one other thing about "the nation." we have covered movements for decades. often movements are ignored in much of the mainstream prisz. i think this is a movement moment and at the heart of the

movement is the fast food workers, the fight for increase in the minimum wage a fight for a seat at the table for i'm powering workers. that's going on around the country. >> would you like elizabeth warren to run for president? >> i would like elizabeth warren to do what she wants to do but i think she has a power thaechb if she doesn't run for president people listen to her and i think her voice is an important one in what is often too narrow. >> would you like eric to smile a little bit more? >> i would like eric -- this is about what it gets. >> pretty good. >> all right. the new issue is out now. katrina vanden heuvel, ky wright, thank you. reminder four days away from the first know your value event in philadelphia. there's still time to grab a ticket. go to msnbc.com/knowyourvalue for more information. senator elizabeth warren will be among the speakers by the way, along with the rest of the cast there which includes joe and donny, the very upset there's

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so at 52 past the hour the debate rages on among some of that republicans over religious freedom bills in indiana and arkansas. bobby jindal said on "meet the press" he was disappointed with indiana's decision to revise its bill to clarify that businesses can't discriminate against gay customers. >> now i'm disappointed. let's remember what this debate was originally all about. this is about business owners that don't want to choose against their christian faith, sincerely held operations and they don't want the government to force them to participate in wedding ceremonies that contradict their belief and simply want the right to say we don't want to participate in these ceremonies. i was disappoint ud could see christians and their businesses

face discrimination in indiana. i hope the legislators will fix that rectify that but former governor arnold schwarzenegger disagrees writing in a "washington post" op-ed, others like it will hurt the republican party and writes all you have to do look at the response on twitter, faybook, reddit where people congregate and discuss what's important to themif the republican party wants the next generation to listen to real problems we must be an inclusive and open party. not a party of divisions. what do you think? >> he make as good point. nick what do you think? >> i think there has to be some way for you know people to have their own opinions in this country, it's a free country, to not be a part of things they don't want to be a part of. i think he's right. gay rights it gets more pro.

young conservatives in favor of all of these things. the question is how are we going to negotiate that line so that people don't become or take part in ceremonies that they don't want to be a part of. what i don't get if you're kate erg kate erg the reception. not bringing pizza to the alter. >> and not participating. you're sending flowers. okay? if you're a florist. it's absurd. bobby jindal if he wants to be one of the new voices new faces of party, got to get with it. >> the spinal tap candidate. always going to 11:00. whatever the issue is he's over on the far side. >> up next how's the nuclear deal with iran revealed in an obama doctrine and john oliver sits down with edward snowden. >> i do miss my home i miss my family. >> do you miss hot pockets? >> yes. i miss hot pockets very much. >> but it gets a lot less funny

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in a sunday p.r. blitz. >> i think this deal is a dream deal for iran and it's a nightmare deal for the world. if you press iran strongly enough. >> i think what they don't accept today they can accept tomorrow. >> i think he's said what he's had to say. i wish that he would contain himself. >> the disagreement i've had with prime minister netanyahu. >> do you trust the president, mr. prime minister? >> i trust that the president is doing what he thinks is good for the united states. >> our defense of israel is unshakable. >> the president said the deal is far from finished and cited political difficulties in congress. >> the fact is that congress has a rightful role to play in this. that doesn't mean there won't be a deal. we just set in place a process to ensure that if there's a deal, it's a deal that will stand the test of time. >> the best deal i think, comes with a new president. hillary clinton would do better. i think everybody on our side except maybe rand paul to do better. >> what did you think of that? >> oh here we go. >> what about netanyahu? you saw netanyahu was on --

listen, this was a -- >> good morning, everyone. happy easter. >> this was a huge deal. you get to see "fast & furious 7" installment and willie you hear the holiday tradition. they go and see "fast & furious" watch it in a loop. they saw seven, seven times yesterday. >> no, we did not. >> instead of going to church. instead of making easter baskets, they saw "furious 7." it made a gazillion dollars, cash it coming out of -- >> you know about mika she loves vin diesel. >> what is it about it? >> did you enjoy nor east ereft your easter. really. joe? >> night before was a little rough. i did. i'm trying to figure out why calipari would run the same offense six times in a row when they're up -- if they had wisconsin on the rope 50-56, the game is over. they're exhausted. they were winded and calipari

six possessions in a row tries to get harrison up the middle at the last second. he has three shot clock violations. shooting off balance. never seen as bad of coaching down a stretch run as i did against -- from one of the best coaches in basketball. >> first of all it was just a great college -- >> amazing game. >> so much fun to watch and you've got to give wisconsin a lot of credit. >> wow. >> up by 8. kentucky comes back here we go. nobody can hang with kentucky 40 minutes and then wisconsin comes back. they stayed in -- >> what about calipari? were you shocked he kept doing that? >> his guards were the best players that night. the harrison twins the two best players. >> amazing. >> amazing they would run through the shot clock. weirdo officiates both sides. >> the kid dekker showed me a lot. he's going to be an nba player. >> and duke wow. crushed michigan state. >> great game tonight. >> phil griffin, very excited

about duke. >> yeah. i bet, with his daughter there. >> yes. >> and passover was nice also by the way. >> yes. >> you're not on every day. it's amazing, my people what they do to my people. how was your easter your east jer anybody ask about passover? no. >> i was at passover. passover saturday easter sunday. >> so many jews on the show it's easy to miss what really happens, lays beneath here and no acknowledgement, i know. like seriously. >> awkward. >> when the rabbi came on on friday, in the hamptsons, doing what do you in your hot tub and the rabbi was talking about the beauty of passover and what it means, you had to dig through that. subtle. he was really talking about jesus. right? >> i always say this because -- >> because you're a -- >> because everybody -- >> the news. >> let's go to news. please, please. president obama looked to rally support over the weekend for the iranian agreement and

spell out why he's sitting down with a country that repeatedly threatened our closest ally in the reach. sat down in the oval office and explained how america's military muscle provides breathing room for attempts at diplomacy. >> we are powerful enough to be able to test these propositions without putting ourselves at risk. >> that's interesting. >> and that's the thing that sometimes as i hear these debates going on people don't seem to understand. iran's defense budget is $30 billion. our defense budget is closer to $600 billion. iran understands that they cannot fight us. so for us to say let's try, understanding that we're preserving all our options, we're not naive, but if, in fact, we can resolve these issues diplomatically, we are more likely to be safe more likely to be secure in a better position to protect our allies, and who knows?

iran may change. if it doesn't, our deterrence capabilities our military superiority stays in place. >> and president obama was not the only one making his case. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu appeared on three separate sunday shows where he explained his opposition to the nuclear framework while warning of iran's regional ambitions. >> not trying to kill any deal. i'm trying to kill a bad deal. you say it's a historic decision, historic deal. it could be a historically bad deal, because it leaves the preeminent terror state of our time with a vast nuclear infrastructure. this is a deal that leaves iran with a capacity to produce the material for many many nuclear bombs, and it does so by lifting the sanctions pretty much up front. so iran will have billions of dollars flown to its coffers, not for schools or hospitals or roads, but to pump up its worldwide terror machine and its military machine, busy conk erginess

busy conquering the middle east as we speak. >> there's a third alternative, and that is standing firm ratcheting up the pressure until you get a better deal. everybody understand that instead of putting the pressure on them to stop this program and change their policy in fact, the optionposite is happening with this proposed deal. they're getting a free path to the bomb. >> you like to call rudy giuliani america the mayor. what do you think of israelis prime minister coming out three separate times? >> his criticism lost credibility. they were pounding this before they knew anything about it so to speak, or who knows, and here he goes again. the question dianne feinstein actually -- do we have her bite? i would love to run what she said yesterday, because she responded to benjamin netanyahu. take a look. she said it better than me. >> i think he said what he's had to say, and to be candid with you, this can backfire on him.

and i wish that he would contain himself, because he has put out no real alternative, in his speech to the congress, no real alternative. since then no real alternative. >> i don't think it's helpful for israel to come out and oppose this one opportunity to changedynamic, which is downhill. a downhill dynamic in this part of the world. >> so, willie does netanyahu gain anything coming here going all the sunday shows? he's keeping it up. i don't know if it helps. >> sounds like a broken record sort of f. you're for israel which a lot of people in this country are, you like what these saying. anything short of a complete elimination of iran's nuclear program is unacceptable. i don't think think comments a month ago or any time should be

a surprise. this slows the path the united states would argue, for iran. israel wants an elimination to the path for a bomb. >> donny? >> interesting this country, very behind this you know i'm still a little torn. you know netanyahu loses me a little bit when he says i want a better deal. this is, history's going to show. i'm scared. there's something in my gut, although the deal on paper seems to make sense, when you tear it apart. can you change a culture of a country over centuries and centuries and centuries? and i line up emotionally with netanyahu. left side of my brain says it's a good deal and i just don't know. >> we'll know more in three months. get to politics. sam stein in washington. he'll weigh in as well. and senator rand paul set to join the candidates for president tomorrow in kentucky.

releasing this teaser video. >> it's time for a new way. a new set of ideas. a new leader. one you can trust. one who works for you, and above all, it's time for a new president. [ chanting ] >> hmm. okay. >> i would love a candid -- you were talking off-camera that certainly -- >> that was great. great. >> i wish there would be a candidate that would figure out the age of communication we live in when you look how much smart, intelligent -- different tone as opposed to this mindless 1950s, time for a new america. come on. >> no. it's defeat the washington machine. unleash the american dream. that's the slogan. >> people don't speak that way anymore. >> and a teaser trailer? like this is a movie?

like a hollywood movie? >> joe what did you think? >> here for a candidacy? you're running for president of the united states. >> i know. i've said this for some time. you look at -- at every everything. you look at the media. it's changed. you look at newspapers. they've changed. they've had to change or else they'd die. music, it's changed. we're listening to music now far differently than 20 years ago. you look at movies. it's changed. tv's changed. all the really good shows are on tv instead of movies. look at everything's changing. medicine business, banking's changing. you can't name a sector of this society that hasn't been built up wiped clean then built up again over the past 35 years. everything in politics. >> except politics. >> stuck in the 19 -- '70s, early '80s. there has been no revolution in

politics. it's very interesting, you all had that response. i like rand. i like ted cruz. i know them but when i saw, you know, ted cruz had, you know trumpets blaring. >> quite a rollout. >> not knocking him, but it was like, we need a new america. an america that's as big as the open skies. i don't know exactly what he said. >> a shining city on the hill somewhere in there. >> but the same trumpets blaring, the same whatever. with rand you have the same thing. i will tell you, the radical thing, and donny can tell you this a guy sitting down. >> around town hall. >> staring at the camera saying okay listen. this is why i got to do this. rich getting richer, poor getting poorer debt getting high erer go down your list. >> and notice no balloons not talking open sky. we all want the same things.

>> and i'm not going to make you stupid promises in 2015. >> jeb will come out that way. >> jeb bush would nerve doer something something like that. >> an arms race. how many american flags can you put behind you when announcing -- >> oh i can pack a lie. i've done it. sam stein, go to you on this point. on specifically on rand paul. >> well i think we got to differentiate two things. one, the technology i do think modernized in politics. candidates moving things online. periscope, meerkat, snap chat to a certain extend is used and the rhetoric you likely point out trapped in the past here and relatively uninspired, but this is a preview clip. i'm waiting to see the real motion picture rand april 7th. we'll see if that's as good as "fast & furious." i doubt it but we'll see, and i agree with everyone else. i think it would be fun to see a candidate try to do sort of the

authenticity path to the white house, not go pomp and circumstance and just be straight forward and say, i'm not going to over-promise. i'm not going to under-deliver. this is what you're going to get and see if that works. coming up on "morning joe," rolling stones story about the rape at the university of virginia became the story itself after critics raised questions. why an independent review is now calling it a "failure of journalism." and it may be edward snowden's top interview yet. first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> mika nice opening day forecast. a lot of baseball games starting today. stadiums packed with a lot of sunshine, too. could start in northern maine. by the way, negative 20 this morning. let's not do that. add insult to injury there. the storm on the west coast, exactly what we needed. a p change. this storm moving into california and provide them with more snow and rain than they've seen in the last month.

rainfall totals not earth shattering, not flooding but we need whatever we can get. two inches in northern california. an inch around sacramento and also going to get snow out of this, too. we easily should see around 6 to 12 inches maybe two feet in the sierra. no snow in this area. they desperately need snow and are going to get it. snow pack off the charts horrible for the snow pack. typically this the average line. this is over the last couple years. they've done fairly well from '05 to about '11. since the drought took shape the percentage of normal snow spack has gone down and down puttry. tryputtry horrible. that's over the next two days. a shot of new york city. yankees starting think inging their season today with 66 and sunshine. just as nice down in d.c., too. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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rolling stone has retracted its report about an alleged gang rape at the university of virginia after a review found a "failure of journalism." the magazine last night published findings by columbia university's journalism school with rolling stone's cooperation, performed a full review after questions arose about the story. about a young woman called jackie written by reporter sabrina ruben erderally. she did not attempt to contact three of jackie's friend who later denied information

attributed to him. the magazine never identified alleged attackers and never gave the fraternity a chance to respond to jackie's allegations. i did not go far enough to verify jackie's story allowed my concern for jackie's well-being my fear of retraumatizing her and confidence in her credibility to take the place of more questioning and more facts. a lawyer speaking for jackie had no comment. "rolling stone" also apologized for the report and the damage it caused to the fraternity and the university of virginia. uva's president teresa sullivan issued a statement saying in part, irresponsible journalism unjustly damaged the rep tass of many innocent individuals and the university of virginia. while they admitted fault and failures rolling stone pub ish letter says his top editors will keep their jobs and eldererly continue to report for the mag zayn.

a press conference will be held at noon today to answer question questions about its report. dicey. >> are you surprised she keeps reporting for the magazine nobody's fired, and just terrible terrible case of slandering somebody? >> given this autopsy it's jaw-dropping that she keeps her job. and i think we have to ask, how this -- how this happened exactly? because i don't think these are mistakes. this is an experienced reporter who knows you don't take a single source at her word on a story this serious. >> you're saying that she was being pushed maybe by the magazine? >> or i don't know if somebody had an agenda whatever it was, but the reporter a cub reporter knows you call somebody else. check the story. once you check it twice. you don't take a single source on the story and those three friends of jackie who the alleged victim called in the piece, they are quoted in the article, and the quotes come from jackie and this reporter never called the three friends to verify simply the quotes and

if she called us we would have told her we never said that. >> sometimes you walk away. >> sit's hard. >> one of the hardest things. i can't read "rolling stone" ever again. >> ooh. >> especially if that's lirpost -- >> and if not raising questions how much anybody else was involved pushing the story. sam, not like a story in a music magazine. "rolling stone" shaped a lot of stories over the past several years, and in dramatic ways. for it happening here again, pretty darn surprising and because of "rolling stone's" good reputation, this actually changed the debate. >> yeah. >> and actually pushed the rape on campus debate to the forefront. >> yeah, and this is what makes the lack of accountability after

the fact so maddening. i mean "rolling stone" has to understand in some respects by not holding anyone accountable, not firing anyone they're not just damaging their own reputation but the reputation of the industry of journalism. people look at future stories about rape on campus or rape anywhere suspiciously and think that reporters get a free pass if they get it wrong because of what "rolling stone" is doing here. it's almost irresponsible for them not to hold anyone accountable and allow this reporter to rewrite for the magazine essentially. one of reasons this probably happened is known as confirmation buy biias. disregard basic rules of journalism along the way i think is what happened here. i'm not sure if it's anything more malicious or creative that happened here. essentially the reporter want add story to be true and allowed things that shouldn't have been in the story to go into the story because of it. >> and editors, willie wanted the story to be true everybody,

up and down the food chain wanted this story to be true. people in the media wanted it to be true. no doubt a bias. >> but the bake things that didn't happen phone calls to sources. i mean that -- you can still have confirmation bias and ignore what the phone calls tell you. to not even place the phone calls, shocking that she'll be in right way. move on to one of the toughest interviews we've seen of nsa leaker edward snowden. >> how many of those documents have you actually read? >> i've evaluated all the documents that are in the archives. >> read every single one? >> well i do understand what i turned over. >> there's a difference between understanding what's in the documents and reading what's in the documents. >> i recognized concern. >> because when you are handing over thousands of nsa documents, the last thing you want to do is read them. >> in my defense, i'm not

handling anything anymore. that's been passed on to the journalists and there are extraordinary measures to make sure it's reported in the most extraordinary way. >> and redacted didn't redact properly and in the end possible to see something was being used in mosul on al qaeda? >> that is a problem. >> well that's a [ bleep ] up. >> it is a [ bleep ] up and these things happen in reporting. in journalism we have to accept some mistakes will be made. this is -- a fundamental concept of liberty. >> right. but you have to own that thing. you're giving documents with information you know could be harmful, which could get out there? >> yes. >> wow. >> that was riveting. that was unbelievable. >> yeah. >> really -- really -- >> he's great. >> good reporting. i can't believe i'm saying this. >> and watch his show on hbo, the fastest half hour.

>> a really really smart guy and striking to see. used to seeing him on the interview like "the daily show" no gag. he went hard at esd snowden. >> you have to own this. if you have to leak it you have to own this. >> snowden looks uncomfortable. >> amazing. >> he threw out the f bomb how in a -- interview, people start talking real and genuinely how much more riveting. obviously you can't if you've an anchor on an evening news cast can't do that but it goes out of the i'm here you're there and just kind of makes it real. >> stop playing tv and you start having a real conversation. >> exactly. in the moment. >> what the -- and you would do that. and coming up on "morning joe" why a series of big moves by hillary clinton some say could it be a matter of days before announcing a bid for 2016. that story and tina brown will join the table. we'll be right back. doug. you've been staring at that for awhile, huh? listen, td ameritrade has former floor traders to help walk

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despite hillary clinton's claims she used her personal e-mail while secretary of state to avoid carrying more than one device, a new report shows that she e-mailed with her ipad in addition to her blackberry. even more alarming her e-mail signature was, sent from my benghazi cover-up device. >> oh my gosh. i mean who would put that at the end of their ipad? >> i don't know joe. hillary clinton is adding to her campaign team and waiting ahead

of an expected announcement later this month. she's also officially leased office space for campaign headquarters right here in new york. here's nbc national correspondent peter alexander with the details. >> reporter: it's the announcement democrats have been waiting for. and hillary clinton's expected to make a presidential bid official in the next few weeks. she's also leased space for campaign headquarters at this office building in brooklyn new york, and hired a new advisor who knows her way around the white house. widely known for making michelle obama into a realitiable mom. behind memorable moment like an undercover shopping trip to target and unforgettable dance moves with jimmy fallon. shockey face as new challenge in clinton often described as cold and catlculating. a perception she battled in 2008. >> you're likable enough hillary.

>> thank you. >> after nearly 25 years in the public eye, can clinton make a new impression y.? >> people want to se all sides of you. we're a country that allows people to re-invent themselves all the time. >> reporter: that may mean more unguarded emotional moments, like this in new hampshire in 2008. >> you know, i have so many opportunities from this country. i just don't want to see us fall backwards. you know? >> reporter: despite persistent scrutiny over her use of e-mail as secretary of state, clinton recently highlighted her sense of humor trying to turn the page. >> i am all about new beginnings. another new hair-style -- a new e-mail account. >> reporter: and perhaps a new strategy as she gets set to kick off another campaign. >> joining us now founder and ceo of tina brown live media, tina brown, her sixth annual women in the world summit runs april 22nd through april 24th

here in new york city and you have news. >> yeah. hillary's coming. coming for the sixth time to women in the world. >> fantastic. >> key. ♪ -- keynoting, and saves her best stuff for the occasion. great to have you. either about to announce lshs have just announced. a good time. >> or maybe announce there. >> i don't think she'll save it for that. >> you never know. you could work that out. i can't wait to participate myself oh thank you so much. >> mika doing such a great panel about campus rape given the news from the rolling stone report today, so much on the agenda and doing a panel about the university of montana rape. >> with the "rolling stone" story, looking at and haven't looked at it enough today, it's all just happening. there's a news conference today. reporting on rape it's complicated. i think there were a couple different things that went wrong here, and unfortunately now the

kmpgs conversation needs to look how we cover it as well. >> true, but i did think it was something of a copout that the "rolling stone" people said we were sensitive to the rape victim we didn't want to ask these questions. sorry. this was basic reporting laziness. to not interview the three friends when she could have interviewed the three friends. >> and whether you have any information on them or go to them for their side of the story. absolutely. >> i mean, she wrecked that fraternity's life and did -- it's tragic for rape victims. >> absolutely. >> funny, wrecked a fraternity and "rolling stone" doesn't apologize to the fraternity which i think, angry mobs out there, for some time. >> shut down. wasn't it? >> i'm saying shut down. the university president who just went to town on this. didn't apologize to the people who were wrongly accused. >> i'm going guess, tina i love your point of view on this that

this story obviously was shown not to be true but there had to be a lot of history with that fraternity for the president to still -- >> how do you know that? >> i'm guessing, just by the -- >> and see here -- but sheer a problem, though. the media -- >> definitely some kind of a bad rap making the university pause in terms of blowing it out. no question. and the tragedy as we all know is how many rapes are not reported, because girls are afraid of coming forward because they're going get trashed and this woman unfortunately sets the whole thing back. >> and something might have happened to her still. i mean there's -- there's that gray area as well. >> and the most surprising thing journalistically her friends who were quoted in this piece, who all came forward and said we never said that. >> right. >> unbelievable. >> tragic. really is. >> we really don't know what happened to the girl. she seems to have had a sad experience but sad he took -- >> we don't know. time for "business before the bell" with cnbc's sara

eisen. a sign the economy is slowing? >> looks like the first three months, rough for the u.s. economy. the big question invest verse to ask, was this a soft patch? or is this a sign of a deeper slowdown? we know the weather was miserable and usually cold. that could hold back economic growth, but that jobs report was pretty disappointing and looks like we'll open sharply lower in terms of u.s. stocks. remember the jobs report came out friday but the stock exchange was closed. the first time they get to react and run throughs numbers 126,000 jobs added in the month of march, economists were expecting a number like 250,000. very, very disappointing. wages, you talk a lot about lack of wage growth. continuing to muddle along here at 2% annual growth. way below what is seen as normal. the unemployment rate, though stayed at 5.5%. we'll see if we get warmer weather. another good gauge how the economy is doing. come with earnings officially

kick off in the middle of the week. we'll see what the picture is from corporate america. so far it looks like we are headed for a down start to the week here on wall street. >> all right. cnbc's sara eisen, thank you so much. still ahead, why congressman peter king says president obama is more willing to take a bad nuclear deal with iran than no deal at all. plus how will the proposed agreement affect the lives of everyday iranians? much more "morning joe" when we come back. denver international is one of the busiest airports in the country. we operate just like a city and that takes a lot of energy. we use natural gas throughout the airport - for heating the entire terminal generating electricity on-site and fueling hundreds of vehicles. we're very focused on reducing our environmental impact. and natural gas is a big part of that commitment.

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of the world chunt so we can talk about all of these other issues. >> that was a member of the senate foreign relations committee. democratic senator chris murphy, reacting to the nuclear agreement with iran and joining us now iran-american journalist and also with us republican congressman peter king of new york. do i let pete go first and totally rip this deal to shreds joe? what do you think? >> peter, i think so. >> i'm a moderate. i love peter. >> peter what positive things are in this deal? what gives you hope? >> oh low blow. >> come on peter. >> first of all, i am not tearing the deal to shreds. i think the obama administration takes this very seriously. my real concerns are first of all too much trust put into it when we're talking about the inspection, for instance, are these going to be unannounced inspections, on-site inspections? limits put on the inspections?

i think behind this as you sort of said in your tease, i guess, i do believe with good intentions, president obama believes if he can create an equilibrium in the middle east between iran and united states that iran will act for responsible pli andy and a lot of wars and fighting ex-changes will cease and iran can be entered into the united nations. that's too big a gamble to make. nothing in the past showing it will work and until there's more positive action by iran it's very dangerous to go ahead with this agreement. >> but these are the questions joe, that we'll face between now and june. i mean, isn't that the process here? good questions. >> i think it's part of the process and, peter, i guess my question is how do we make sure that the iran deal doesn't end up like the north korean deal? everybody runs around holding pieces of paper, declaring peace in our time and we fixed this and all it did gave legitimacy to a nuclear program and allowed north korea the cover to build

nuclear weapons, destabilize the world? >> joe, i agree completely. we're institutionizing iran as a nuclear power. making permanent their nuclear infrastructure and in turn for that iran is going to be getting vast infusions of funding that's going to now be basically the sanctions at different stages all going to be i think debated as to how the sanctions are going to be lifted, but there's going to be a lifting of sanctions. and once they're lifted it's hard to get them put back in place. once the agreement is in place it's going to be hard to get the other countries to begin to take action against iran again. >> right. >> there is some investment that iran has made here and that is the iranian people who seem pretty excited about this. i'm reading your thoughts on this deal and you describe it almost like the reaction to a world cup match, and the celebrations that resembled the celebrations in the streets. the iranian people how do they feel about this deal? how does it impact their lives? >> the world cup of a football match, a soccer match, the most

popular sport in iran as we can see the videos and the photos coming out of iran. people have been waiting for this for years. almost a decade of this standoff. for the past two years people have been glued to their televisions to their radios to internet toshs their phones on twitter just following this with anticipation and wanting this to happen. there was no doubt that iranians were happy. this is a step forward for the economy. for the iran's people, and i think the iranian people had a very important role in pushing the government or the establishment to make this deal. to make peace with the world powers and i think -- >> it's interesting, tina spent so much time especially hearing both sides and critics of the deal saying we can't trust iran. we can't trust iran. iran not only has to answer to us and to an extremely transparent process compared to other potential agreements looked at but also the people of iran. >> absolutely. what is fascinating is, for instance tlshs is this there is

a blob my stealthy freedom, the iranian women posting pictures of themselves removing hijabs and now a video campaign removes hijabs and showing men's reactions and a sense of a ground swell of let us be part of the world. let us be part of the world. and clearly there's going to be the rural part of iran is far more traditional, but there is a ground swell and if we ignore the ground swell we're forcing them back into this little old ways that we're trying to break them out of seems to me. >> this has happened before. there was, before president ahmadinejad, the reformist time and the iranian society in the government they were trying to open up to the world and it got coincided with prebsident bush's time, the axis of evil and that crushed the reform movement the flourishing of the internal debate in iran's if it happens against it will send them back a few more steps. >> and bring the congressman back in. it's donny.

my gut is still concern. i just don't think -- i think we're talking ourselves into feeling better than maybe we should. i guess my question to you as opposed to netanyahu basically comes out and says i would have gotten a better deal. it's not good enough. what would be the right deal for you? >> i think we have to see a full prime response by iran. for instance i know that people like to blame this on george bush or whatever and say that iran wants to change. the fact is they are going full steam ahead in iraq. they're in yemen with the houthis. still in lebanon, still supporting hezbollah. still a worldwide terrorist organization, leading exporter of terror. you have that. not changed that whatsoever. what we have to do if we'll have an agreement, mika was saying transparent inspections. no proof of that whatsoever. we don't know what the inspection regimen is going to be. the fact are they unannounced? full and total access? >> i want to know about surprise inspections, yes. >> absolutely vital. also, why does that nuclear

reactor have to stay open? why still be enriching uranium? all of these issues what happened last week was a framework for a framework and i'm not saying don't do it but i'm saying don't do it unless we have far, far more evidence and far more proof that this is for real. >> that's fair. but in regard to the realities described, in terms of iran's engagement with other countries and its track record, do you think the people can have an impact over that, and build iran as a trustworthy, you know country at some point? because they're not. they haven't been. >> i think so. i mean look when it comes to the region a very complicated region. almost nobody comes clean when it comes to intern matters of the middle east, but, yes. there's a very big gap, divide between what people want in the reach and what's happening root now. but we can corner iran. we can push them more and make

the government and the hartliners stronger and continue in this path, and widening this gap, or we can sort of bring the government into the international community, start collaborating with them and have the iranian people have a stronger say in what the government does and make it more transparent. i think by doing this it will actually go the way that we want it to go. >> congressman peter king thank you, and also thank you as well. nice to meet you. up next just 14 years old when he played billy elliott in the hit film. 15 years later, jamie bell had quite the contrary. amc drama about america's first top secret spy ring. we're back in just a moment. ♪ hi, tom. hey, how's the college visit? you remembered. it's good. does it make the short list? you remembered that too.

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knows, everything may be compromised. >> you are compromised. she does no. >> take it to the drop. >> boy, amc is turning it. that was a look at season two of amc's revolutionary war drama series "turn". >> a tease. why you get the big tease. the turn the turn. >> yeah right. washington spies. joining us the series co-star jamie bell. nice to meet you. congratulations. this looks amazing. >> thanks for having me. thank you. >> i want to get to the cabbage part. tell me about it. >> the show overall is really about the formation of america's first spy ring set up by george washington commander in chief. that helped turn the tide of the war against the british durings revolutionary war. >> and your character is abraham. >> the way into the story, season one, very much in every man. reluctant hero someone who straddled both sides. didn't want to be on the wrong side of history and a catalyst in his life that drew him into this circle of spice. >> what do you think?

gosh. the show is on amc. from "mad men" to now. you guys have revived, not revived, just it's the birth of a new network in terms of -- >> "breaking bad." >> unbelieve al. >> all anti-heroes mostly. decent man this time at the center. >> kind of the -- but this season he starts going a little different. this season. he's different from season one. >> got to tell you, i feel conflicted about this season. >> you do. the fact is i'm a brit here. >> oh, boy. >> and the brits are really portrayed in a pretty vile way. i mean they are such bad news, and here you ar brit. >> jamie, you said you weren't getting into tough questions. >> already hard-hitting. it's too early for me. >> go ahead. >> but -- >> you were wrong. >> i don't know about you, i was taught nothing about this period in history for me and a lot of english people a period we'd much rather forget. didn't happen. we didn't lose this war. >> oh good god. poor tina brown. of all people!

>> don't worry. >> spill your coffee! on tina brown. ah she'll never come back. >> the emotion of the revolution. >> still against the brits. i'm sorry. jamie, go ahead, donny, what was your point? >> these were 18. >> search18th century. >> still had. >> and doubly a sense of a familiar rowel. >> stemming from the same place. a sprays from a bigger brother or bigger sister you know a relative versus a kind of force against a force. fighting each other. the show dives into separate families. fathers on one side and sons on another and our show highlights the expect a of that. >> we recognize you, of course from a lot of other things as well. at 14 -- what? what? >> the inspiration. you know a new usa show i have a 12-year-old tap dancing son.

>> so -- >> no way? >> yes. there you go. >> inspired by billy elliot. >> that's you. gosh, you auditioned for that role, there were just a few other kids they were looking at. how many? >> i forget the number. a few thousand, i think. >> i'm told it was 2,000 boys. >> right. whatever. right on the money. >> how your life changed? >> it's a golden ticket nap opportunity. it is the golden ticket. my first film. many people get their first film gig and make their movie and who knows. my first film gig was that movie. i owe everything to that. >> congratulations. "turn." washington spies premieres monday april 13th 9:00 p.m. eastern on amc. donny, something to say to tina? >> i'm sorry. >> uh-huh. >> i didn't mean to spill -- >> right. tina -- >> we go back a long way. >> that charming smile. >> god. jamie, thank you. up next what if anything did we learn today?

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they're not ponts. they're mops. the guys talking about their clothes. >> i want to talk about the iran deal. >> i thought that iran's commentator was fabulous. so interesting. >> i agree. >> and chick as well. >> that voice, how the iranian people feel about it. >> hear these macho guys commenting on everything and she had an interview that was -- >> if it's way too early -- >> it's "morning joe." thank you so much for being with us. it's "morning joe" but stick around. because coming up next, it's "the rundown." good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. closing arguments under way at this hour in the boston trial of accused bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev. the jury could get the as early as this afternoon. this is just the beginning. if jurors find him guilty they've got to decide whether tsarnaev's punishment is life in

prison or the death penalty. ron mott has been following the case. what's the preview of the arguments today? >> reporter: hey there, jose. expecting the prosecution to go about an hour once they get going today summarizing their case all the physical evidence presented over a month's worth of testimony showing dzhokhar tsarnaev on surveillance video putting a backpack