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own. closing arguments just wrapped up in the boston marathon bombing trial. and israel is trying to pull up a seat to the bargaining table as the u.s. tries to hash out a deal with iran. it is monday april 6th and this is "now." >> columbia university delivering this stunning takedown. >> this report is very much intended as a piece of journalism. >> "rolling stone" has officially retracted its story. >> the fraternity issued a press release saying it intends to sue "rolling stone" magazine. >> why hasn't anyone been fired? >> this is what makes the lack of accountability after the fact so maddening. >> this is an appalling story on so many levels for other rape
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victims whose creditability may be unfairly questioned. >> it is being called a case study in failed journalism but as of now no heads will roll at "rolling stone." the magazine retracted its report of an alleged gang rape. the dean of columbia university's school of journalism led a report. >> this failure was not the subject's or the source's fault as a matter of jumplournalism. it was the fault of the fact checking department. >> the author of the piece said quote, i want to offer my deep's
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apologies to "rolling stone" readers, to the uva community, and any victims of sexual assault who may feel fearful as a result of my article. they'll also keep their jobs. this was an exceptional case of being duped by what he described as quote, a really expert fabulist story teller. a woman only known as jackie offered no comment on the report. as for the fraternity, their threat of legal action is no longer just a threat. after 130 days of living under a cloud of suspicion, today the virginia chapter of fie kappa
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sie, we'll pursue legal action against "rolling stone." thanks for joining me. let me get your reaction to the fraternity suing "rolling stone." what's the climate on campus? >> the campus has been supportive. >> the bulk of the support is rallying around victims of sexual assault, but has there been a backlash with the community rallying around the fraternity fraternity. >> i don't think. right now it is less in focus on the fraternity and more in focus on survivors.
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jackie's story opens up so many questions for other survivors. >> are people talking more about sexual assault than they were before the story was published? >> absolutely. i think the story is a reflection of bad journalism but one good thing that comes out of it is college campuses are talking about something as a student i've been aware of for a long time. it's very shocking to see this issue hasn't got as much media attention until this article came out. >> last month uva changed or amended its sexual assault policy. do you think the university is doing enough? >> i think that is a great step. it's a first step in the right direction, but there are deeper roots in rape culture that need to be addressed. >> when you talk about rape culture, what does that mean to you? >> i think of questions of male entitlement, the idea of trying to fit in the idea of
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objectifying women. it's just as evident at uva. just focusing on women -- i'm sorry i'm losing my train of thought. >> it's okay. >> i think rape culture is thinking that women are objects and that's something that goes with this ideology of living in a school where there's a lot of group think. i think that's a problem at every school group think. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> joining me now are my guests. you were at columbia for the press conference here. this was a scathing, expensive report longer than the actual article itself. >> right.
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>> were you surprised that "rolling stone" is keeping everybody involved in this story on staff? >> there are some question marks that we still have as exhaustive as this report was and as much access as they got, there's still one question mark. they were not able to speak with the attorneys. >> the magazine's attorneys. >> there's two different parties. it is presumed that they had some role in vetting the story, but it's not exactly known because they decided to claim attorney-client privilege. there's speculation that letting people go would be considered an admission of wrong doing that would hurt them in any kind of litigation to follows. >> what do you think about that line of arguing, that strategy that letting anyone at a moment like this could potentially be an admission of guilt? >> i have to say i'm not really
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per said persuaded that's a good strategy. it seems to me your first issue has to do with credibility, the credibility of the organization. i don't see an issue with firing the people that are responsible. >> let me follow up on that. i think "slate" captures it. "rolling stone" will continue to quote, do as we have always done. there is not a sense that there was institutional failure that needs to be course corrected. >> right. >> i think that as much as anything else is surprising. >> it's very surprising. basically what "rolling stone" is saying we had the protocols in place, maybe they didn't work right, but don't worry. next time it'll be just fine. that gives me zero confidence especially when the people who
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were supposed to be the fail-safe operation, who were supposed to catch any problems like this for whatever reason it didn't work. if you compare this to the jason blare scandal at "the new york times," those editors were out. there was no attempt to try to justify it. i'm not sure what justification "rolling stone" is giving right now. they're just saying they're going to keep all these people on staff. >> it certainly was a topic of much debate the fact that the publisher seemed to explain this on an expert story teller in terms of taking ownership of this crisis. that doesn't seem to be what the dictionary would list under the definition of the word ownership. >> it's not actually definitively the case that "rolling stone" is not going to change in any way. the quotes they gave about we're doing everything fine this is an aberration came from the
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report before they had gotten a chance to read the report. they came from the interviews that were done for the purpose of the report. there is a statement on the website that says we're moving forward with some of these recommendations recommendations, but it is very vague. he also really emphasized -- he was asked how do you feel about blaming this expert fabulist? he said again and again, this was not about a source or a subject. this was about a failure of basic basic journalistic processes. >> dana in the official firestorm over there, as it was proven to be a questionable account, seemed to put the onus on jackie, the pseudonym that was given for the woman at the center of all this and then to have him say what he did on sunday you do question whether they really are not blaming the
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person that spun this story. >> he also said the reporter somehow tricked or cajoled the editor into violating standard practices. i think a lot more emphasis has to be put on the staff. maybe the editor and chief should have asked more questions. >> initially this story did not set out to be a salacious account of woman one's horrific experience with rape. it was supposed to be almost a process story about what happens when you claim sexual assault on a college campus and how you are treated and what the sort of process is for dealing with those claims. for people who are all about increasing awareness around sexual assault, there's a lot of dismay at the fact that the reporter and the editor chose the most sensational story as
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opposed to the story that's happening at college campuses and presumably across the country, which is sexual assault. not gang rape at a frat house. >> i agree. i think what happened here or what it appears happened here is this narrative was just so compelling it was irresitaible to "rolling stone." you have already sold out in a way that isn't acceptable in a journalistic setting. if this was an advocacy piece,
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the journalism standards need to be higher. >> thank you guys both for your time. >> thank you. after the break, israel calls for new specific requirements for any nuclear agreement with iran. plus jeb bush has his very own oops moment. we'll talk identity politics and voter registration cards. i'll speak with reggie love former special assistant to president obama and former duke player who won a national title with the blue devils. all of that is ahead on "now." new york state is reinventing how we do business by leading the way on tax cuts. we cut the rates on personal income taxes. we enacted the lowest corporate tax rate since 1968. we eliminated the income tax on manufacturers altogether. with startup-ny, qualified businesses that start,
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as if relations weren't icy enough today the public spat between the united states and israel escalated again. the israeli government issued a list of specific requirements to make the newly brokered deal with iran to make it, quote, more reasonable. an end to all research and development of iran's advanced centrifuges and the ability for nuclear inspectors to go anywhere anytime inside the country. this comes after a public back and forth between president obama and prime minister netanyahu over the weekend. >> one of the unfortunate, tragic results of this deal if it goes through, it is would spark an arms race among the sunnis states and the middle east crisscross with nuclear trip wires is a nightmare for the world. i think this deal is a dream
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deal for iran and it's a nightmare deal for the world. >> i understand prime minister netanyahu is expressing the deep rooted concerns that a lot of the israeli population feel about this but what i can say to them is, number one, this is our best bet so far to make sure iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon and number two, what we'll be doing is sending a very clear message to the iranians and to the entire region that if anybody messes with israel america will be there. >> joining me now is visiting scholar jamie rubin and peter baker. jamie, let me start with you first. this list of demands that israel has issued what do you think is the meaningful impact of those? >> last week israel posted a list that said iran had to recognize israel that iran had to stop all its regional problems.
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the israeli want to use the negotiation to transform iran from an enemy into a peaceful state. that's not going to happen. this list they put out today is a dream list. sure, all of us would like that list to be implemented, but after many many months of working very hard not just the united states, all the countries that are involved have realized there are limits to what you can get out of negotiation. it's not going to be a perfect agreement. but will it make it harder for iran to build a nuclear weapon? yes. will it make it easier for us to detect such an effort if iran made it? yes. will it give iran incentives not to change its mind and go for a nuclear weapon? yes, so it's a good deal. the only mistake i think the who i say -- white house is making is to exaggerate it.
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it's an arms control agreement. it makes the world a little safer by making the risk of iran going nuclear a little bit less but it's not a panacea. >> to the israel question i think it surprises people who have watched this presidency to hear how he is personalizing the impasse with israel. in an interview with your colleague, the president said it's been personally difficult for me to hear expressions that somehow this administration has not done everything it could to look out for israel's interests. do you think these roadblocks are practical in any way? >> it has been a personal dispute as well as a political one. they have a substantive agreement about what to do with iran but it has been
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personalized. what's interesting is he's played a part in this too. he's certainly been a two-way street. some of his aides have worried he has escalated this quarrel. he tried to reassure them again and again that they realize iran is a terrible threat to israel. he said he respects prime minister netanyahu's views on security. he seemed to be trying to find a way to smooth it over a little bit after weeks of open animosity there. >> the deal is not inked. there is always iran's leader for the international community to be worried about. whether he is going to give hard
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liners an opportunity to say anything, get involved in the agreement, how much of a hurdle do you think he remains at this point? >> i think if the leader of iran, the supreme leader was against what the foreign minister brought home and what the iranian minister has begun to sell we'd know about it. key generals are talking about that framework as acceptable but where the revolutionary guard is crucial and where there is not going to be a change the smiling foreign minister, he has nothing to do with iran's policies towards syria, towards iraq towards yemen. the revolutionary guard is going to continue this regional war between iran's forces in syria, in iraq in lebanon, in yemen against sunnis forces whether they be rebels or governments, and that policy of iran i don't think, has anything to do with their nuclear policy.
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when it comes to your specific question, i think we already have a pretty good idea that the leaders so far -- and remember there's still some outstanding crucial issues like when actually sanctions will be released. the leader could still kill it at the end. >> peter, there is congress. i wonder how much of an issue you think congressional democrats are for this white house. the president seemed to open the door to congress passing a non-binding resolution which is akin to saying you're allowed to talk about this and have an opinion. do you think that's going to be enough for members of his own party? i think there are 66 senators who support the corker-menendez bill which would give congressional oversight to a deal and stop passage for 60 days. how much of an issue is that in
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washington at this moment? >> i think it is a big issue. one of the goals of the president giving an interview to us over the weekend, sending his aides to the hill lots of phone calls going on, lots of appearances, is because they realize they need to pull the democrats back to their fold. the republicans can't get a veto-proof majority to force that legislation. basically, his answer to them is this is a better deal than you thought it was going to be. give me time to finalize it by june 30th and then we can talk. he got a little bit of a break yesterday when senator lindsey graham, a republican said this is not a good deal but he also said i'm willing to give him until june 30th to see what the final actual agreement looks like. that's probably the best argument for the president right now is to try to play for a little time as he has been for months. >> jamie, i want to ask you about one other thing that the president mentioned in the interview, which was the obama
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doctrine. the white house is loathed to outline. how much of the obama doctrine as articulated by the president, relies on a heavily, deeply funded military? iran's defense budget is 30 billion. our defense budget is closer to 6 billion. iran understands they cannot fight us. you asked for an obama doctrine. we will engage, but we'll preserve our capabilities. >> it is a bit surprising. what's more troubling, really is for the president to refer to a doctrine when europe in the form of russia invading ukraine, in the form of war spreading across iraq all of these major problems -- yemen, what used to be the administration's success story collapsing and they're talking about an obama doctrine
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dealing with cuba? this is a minor issue. we have russia invading ukraine. we have war spreading across the middle east causing chaos. we have our counterterrorism policy in basically tatters in yemen. >> thank you guys both for your time. >> thank you. coming up, closing arguments in the boston marathon bombing trial finished in the last hour. more on that coming up next. double up with dueling lobster tails. or make lobster lover's dream a reality. but here's a reality check: it ends soon. sometimes the present looked bright. sometimes romantic. there were tears in my eyes. and tears in my eyes. and so many little things that we learned were really the biggest things.
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for president. first, with jurors deciding the fate of dzhokhar tsarnaev, bill maher became the subject of debate for this joke friday night. >> just tell me two things zayne, which one in the band were you, and where were you during the boston marathon? >> the joke immediately sparked the hash tag respect for zayne. joining me now is josh barro, maria teresa kumar, and jess macintosh.
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what do you make of that assessment? >> i thought the joke was kind of tacky and comes in a line of comments that mahr has made that have drawn a lot of negative attention, but i think you have to look at the joke in the context it is. when you say this guy looks like this guy, it is about these broader senses that we have about people of muslim heritage. i don't think it was a good joke to make. >> maria teresa it is two subjects where there is a lot of sensitivity. one the boston marathon trial is ongoing and, b, our relationships with muslims are incredibly fraught. this is in the context of a whole lot of other stuff. what do you think of the
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criticism? >> i think that's right what you mentioned. the boston marathon is still fresh in everybody's mind and it's painful. i think it is what josh was saying. unfortunately, it's a pattern that keeps popping up on bill maher maher's show. i commend the fact that the majority of the folks are saying enough is enough. it is a young tweens and teens are supporting one direction. they're demanding an apology because we recognize when somebody is unfair. >> i don't know if it is heartening that is the one direction dig. >> i think it shows how attuned when someone is not far. i applaud them. go for it. go for it one direction fans. >> that's a line you don't cross in this country. moving on "new york magazine" is asking is hillary clinton any good at running for
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president? it notes clinton's disastrous press conference at the u.n. and her foggy bottom memoir. hillary isn't a particularly gifted political at&thlete, but suggests that being a good candidate is overrated. is hillary clinton a good candidate and does it matter? >> that was a totally objective, unslanted look at hillary clinton. i am really excited for the moment that i think is imminent now when we have a presidential campaign that is about two candidates and their agendas for america because that, frankly, is what voters are going to want to talk about. we saw fusion put out some interesting poll numbers showing
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hillary with huge leads among young voters. they're not reacting to stories and memes and narratives. they're reacting to this woman as they know her currently today and they are really enthusiastic about her. >> i wonder do you think that holds. do you think they remain immune to the swirl around the clinton's media fabrication or if they're in part responsible for it? do you think the voters can continue to look at her as a politician in the year 2015 and not a politician of decades past, as in decades have gone by since she first entered politics? >> there is such a disconnect between most voters and american politics as we know it and that's because political reporting don't always speak to what does it mean for me and my family. we're talking about palace intrigue. that doesn't necessarily
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translate to middle-class families, so i think we're going to see these voters really paying attention to the contrast between the parties and what is the substance of the issues. younger voters are some really substantive voters. >> as long as you don't slam one direction. i'm kidding. wait josh. go ahead. you're giving a slight shake of the head as we're talking. >> i'm not sure there's a candidate in american history whose negatives are more baked in than hillary clinton's. >> and maybe positives too. >> people know what they think about hillary clinton. it is not like people are going to be surprised when this campaign starts oh the clintons have lots of problems surrounding them. there are problems with hillary clinton and those problems are well known and she is ahead in democratic primary polls. it's not going to be a surprise that clinton has certain
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negative personality attributes that people don't like but she's going to win the nomination. >> does it matter if you're a good candidate? >> absolutely. i think that's one of the things you're looking for. you're looking for someone that can connect with you. look, the best time you saw hillary clinton on was right after she left the state department. she all of a sudden felt like a big burden was lifted off her. if anybody caught some of her talks right off that she was authentic. she was fresh. she was connectible and that's the hillary clinton that's going to win. if she can basically be herself, she'll have an incredible shot at mobilizing a generation of voters that doesn't remember when she was in the white house. i think that's where she has a big shot. but she's also got to inspire a whole generation of not just young women, but older women who
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have been waiting for the shot to say finally we have a candidate that represents us. >> we need to move on. you're going to get to comment about women one more time josh. next on the list maureen doud laments the sexualization of female spies on television. real-life employees at the cia are fed up as well. jess let me ask you, my friend, because i saw carkaricar her as more kicking butt and taking names. do you agree with this character characterization of female
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spies? >> this is always the line you have to walk. when "ncis" came out, women getting into forensics, those numbers just exploded. it's progress i guess. >> hot women who code. josh? >> i don't think this is specific to women. if we want to talk about flirting and sleeping with assets, we can start with james bond. the problem is that most -- >> that's a fair point. >> most of what spies do is -- >> is sex. >> apparently yeah. >> what gets done at the cia is not glamorous or makes for a good tv show. i think this is mostly just about if you made a realistic show about the cia, nobody would watch it. >> the cia cooperated and suggested the involvement of
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maureen dowd on this issue. i think this is sort of good press. i don't know. >> unfortunately, the way women are portrayed across the board, not just with this if you're not young, if you're not good looking, the likelihood of you landing a role and portraying a law enforcement, that's not going to happen either. how can we show real women in real situations doing really tough work. >> -- there was a cia agent that was briefing condoleezza rice while she was in labor. that's drama. >> that's made for tv drama. in fact if you had a cia agent in labor talking to a cabinet
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secretary, people wouldn't believe you but that actually happened in real life. real life is stranger than fiction. always good to see you guys. thanks for your time. coming up he wants to be a man of the people specifically the hispanic people. jeb bush's ballot blender is an alliteration and it is next. introducing preferred rewards from bank of america the new banking rewards program that rewards our customers, every day. you'll get things like rewards bonuses on credit cards... extra interest on a savings account... preferred pricing on merrill edge online trades and more... across your banking and investing get used to getting more. that's the power of more rewarding connections. that's preferred rewards from bank of america.
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for lovers of march madness, tonight marks the holy grail. joining me now is former assistant to president obama and a former captain of the blue devils basketball team, the great reggie love. i know you're in indianapolis. what is your confidence level as far as duke beating wisconsin? >> well alex, thank you for having me on today. i appreciate it. >> of course. >> this is what makes the game
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of basketball great. you just never know what the outcomes are going to be. i think a lot of people thought kentucky would have been in the finals. i don't think many people who weren't duke fans thought that duke would be here but look i think it'll be a great game tonight between decker and bowe ryan. >> wow. i'm impressed and a little dismayed that you are not full boar ready to eat a shoe if duke isn't in. >> i am happy that i'm hear. i said to a friend the other day what else could you possibly be doing in march. easter passover, seders?
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>> no ncaa march madness. mitt romney's bracket crushes obama's. you know this man. we all know he listens and watches "espn sports center," but how much does the president know the tactical specifics of college basketball in your experience? >> the headline is -- look, i think it is great for mitt. it's a hard thing to pick the final four and the finals correctly. i had seven out of eight and i only got two out of the four for the final four. my hat is off to mr. romney. but the president, he knows his basketball. does he have his biases on teams
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and coaches that he likes? of course, he does. i definitely think if you were going to compare the two, the president -- >> yes, if we were. >> the president knows a lot more about basketball than mitt romney does. >> we have it there definitively from the man who would know. if you can remember one glory moment from the time you were on the blue devils what was it? >> there are so many great memories. the hardest part about this is at the end of the year -- tonight seasons will be over win or lose, and a lot of the friendships and a lot of the relationships that team dismantles. the saddest thing that's happened to me is the fact i no longer get to play with guys like mike dun levy. >> that's sad for all of us i
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think. that sounds like a good combo. it is always good to see you, my friend. we have to go. we have to leave it there. you have many cheers to practice for tonight. >> i just hope that you and sam will be watching the game tonight and rooting for duke. >> i'll be in an undisclosed location. up next, jeb bush all about the hispanic vote, literally. we're here to help you turn your dream into a reality. start your business today with legalzoom. "ride away" (by roy orbison begins to play) ♪ i ride the highway... ♪ ♪ i'm going my way... ♪ ♪i leave a story untold... ♪ he just keeps sending more pictures... if you're a free-range chicken you roam free. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent
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jeb bush is hispanic that is at least according to "the new york times." bush identified himself as hispanic on a voter registration. he is not hispanic. bush's son jeb bush jr. tweeted lol, come on dad. my mistake, don't think i fooled
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anyone. joining me now is political editor sam stein. sam, was this a freudian slip? >> i think it is a freudian slip. it's not quite similar to what elizabeth warren did in the sense it didn't seem like he was trying to advance his career necessarily in any way, shape, or form. >> elizabeth did say she did not get any promotions based on native american blood. >> but i'm willing to give him a pass on this. >> there seems to be a concerted strategy on the part of the campaign which is to be like don't worry about it. is there a chance of being too glib given the fact it is an official document from the florida division of elections and we know how seriously they
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take their elections in florida? >> i expect him to be hauled into court and given a fine instantly. you couldn't lol that one away. >> it is worth noting that the latino media, there's a headline. this does bring back to the fore the relationship of the republican party to the hispanic community and i wonder if you think it exacerbates underlying issues. >> maybe. i don't think anyone actually thinks she is -- he is trying to adapt himself as a hispanic. there are people with hispanic heritage running, like ted cruz
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and marco rubio. i'm not sure what kind of dynamics would be thrown into the loop there. he does support comprehensive immigration reform. >> that's all for "now." good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from detroit lakes, minnesota. let's get to work. tonight, nuclear deal rebuke. >> obama is a flawed negotiator. his foreign policy has failed on multiple fronts. >> it is a good deal even if iran doesn't change at all. >> plus the religious freedom debate. >> tolerance is a two-way street. >> bush marked hispanic in the field labeled race/ethnicity. >> and body image backlash. >> here are two things that