good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work. tonight, rand's hillary plan. >> there's a lot of stuff there that is, i think, is going to shake the confidence of americans. >> plus big money and mayor 1% wins in chicago. >> mayor emmanuel must govern and not ruled. >> and the latest on the officer involved shooting in south carolina. >> what if there was no witness to come forward? >> thank you, lord. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. did you hear that comment from rand paul? there just a lot of stuff there. he's out with his campaign strategy. he plans to relentlessly attack

hillary clinton. here we go. minutes after his campaign announcement yesterday, rand paul sat down with "politico." he immediately attacked hillary clinton over the use of her private e-mail. >> i think clearly hillary clinton by all appearances seemed to be evading the law. she's asking us to trust us that she sorted out government from nongovernment e-mail after she didn't obey the rules to begin with. you need to trust me even though i broke the rules and maybe the law to begin with. and i just destroyed the server so you really have to trust me. i think a lot of americans are going to say that doesn't pass the smell test. >> if you're keeping score between rand paul and ted cruz, he's out front as far as bashing the clinton. the senator hinted there's

plenty of material he could use to go after hillary clinton. >> when you combine that with the shenanigans that have been going on at the clinton foundation and this trail of money that's going round about to government to foundations to bill clinton to shareholders of big company that had to be approved by hillary clinton when she was secretary of state, there's a lot of stuff there that i think is going to shake the confidence of americans to lead in an honest fashion. >> wouldn't the follow-up question there be do you know what the clinton foundation is? just kind of a side bar. it's a great strategy. just go appeal to the clinton haters and jump out in front of the parade. rand paul is already attacking the character of hillary clinton before she's even announced. now that's respect. meanwhile there is evidence that rand paul has a real problem with women reporters. he has a history of talking down

to women on television. here he is just this morning on the "today show." >> you once proposed ending foreign aid to israel and you now support it for the time being. and wanted to drastically cut defense spending and now you want to increase it. i just wonder if you wanted to mellow out. >> before we go through a litany of things you say i've changed on, why don't you ask me a question? >> is iran still not a threat? >> no no no. listen. you've editorialized. let me answer a question. have your views changed instead of saying my views have changed. >> just how to win friends and influence people. he's number one. rand paul's views certainly have

changed. he has flipped on iran foreign aid, and defense spending. samantha guthrie was asking a very honest question. there's no reason to rand paul to patronize an anchor for doing a job. sean hannity asked rand paul a similar question about iran. he responded differently. >> they used of quote of yours from 2007 where it is ridiculous to think that iran is a real threat to our national security. that was 2007. >> it's been awhile ago. things do change over time. >> hannity's interview was an hour of softball questions and no follow up. >> the whole purpose of doing this is to bring money home.

hey hey, let me finish. >> i'm sorry. go ahead. >> calm down a bit here kelly. let me answer the question. >> again rand paul is belittling a female anchor for asking questions or getting to the point, which he has a hard time with. the senator from kentucky is arrogant demeaning, disrespectful, and clearly doesn't know how to run for president, at least not early on he doesn't. this is a guy who has a hard time finding the high road. ironically that might be his attraction. the latest poll has hillary clinton up on rand paul by only four points. now it's going to be a long race ahead, but if this is any indication of the way rand paul is going to be selecting interviews and treating people it's going to be very interesting. it would seem to me if he wants to cut out a different cloth as a candidate for the right wing, that he should be welcoming interviews where he's not so

rigid, where he is asked questions about what are your views on this as opposed to 2007. interesting how he treated samantha guthrie and sean hannity. tonight's question -- do you think rand paul's strategy of personally attacking hillary clinton will work? our new system, you go to pulse.msnbc.com/ed. you cast your vote there. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. for more, let me bring in landy davis and ann gearing and a conservative strategist and chairman of conservativehq.com. i can't wait. is it ted cruz or rand paul early on? >> well they're kind of tied in terms of appeal to the conservative base. one of the things ed that most

candidates don't appreciate -- in fact most candidates i think don't know how to run for president -- number one, you have to have a base. ted cruz has a base. rand paul has a base as does jeb bush. most other candidates are lacking a significant base. there are only two candidates in the race that i can see right now that are likely to be candidates that can appeal to the conservative movement as their base. none of the other candidates are going to have a strong appeal to the conservative movement base and rand paul and ted cruz right now kind of divide that base. >> they're dividing the base so you would give them some room here. you think they have a legitimate shot at taking the nomination? >> yes. >> rand paul is he going to be a media critic or a serious candidate? your thoughts? >> as you identified in your lead-in, he's taking a very

early swipe at hillary clinton here. i mean all of the republicans are attacking her to some degree. the republican message machine that is behind them is attacking her every day, but he made it a point and a point in his introductory speech and in many of the interviews he did afterwards to go directly at her. that's clearly going to be one place where he thinks he can make his mark. he's always been a bit of a touchy testy guy. i've never interviewed him myself, but you see it a bit in many interviews he's done over his whole time in the senate where he just gets his back up a little bit. >> he does. >> that may play well for him. he certainly isn't losing any points in going after a lot of mainstream media with exactly the base that he's trying to appeal to. >> hillary clinton wrote a book

"living history." are we going to be defending history? are liberals going to have to put up with this? this clearly is the strategy of rand paul. is this a problem? >> it's not a problem. i have to just do one side bar. it is an honor to be on the same show with richard vickry even though i disagree with him on almost everything. he's somebody who articulate the conservative principles without personally attacking people which is what rand paul does incorrectly. he is an attractive candidate, mr. paul. i have written a column about him years ago when he ran for the senate. intrigued by his libertarian consistency, along with his dad. but his campaign is consistently being nasty and personally attacking hillary clinton rather than beginning with the words i disagree with her position. he's going to lose any appeal he has by going nasty.

i shouldn't be giving rand paul advice, because i hope he's the nominee. >> what do you think about that? >> i likewise am thrilled to be on with my friend lanny. >> we have a lot of love going on here tonight. >> one of things that's going to be important for a republican candidate to convince the republican caucus voters is that we're going to fight. we're disappointed in most republican leaders. john mccain, mitch mcconnell, mitt romney. whether it is ted cruz or scott walker or rand paul we're going to be looking for somebody who articulates the difference between republicans and democrats. >> do you want to run against hillary clinton? >> absolutely. i think conservative republicans would prefer hillary over anybody else. she has a big track record. she has a lot of baggage.

she's going to have a very steep hill to climb to convince the american voter that is she's trustworthy. she kind of reminds us of nixon except without the charm. >> richard couldn't resist getting a personal shot in there after i said such nice things about him. hillary clinton has to earn the votes of moderates and independent voters. her base is very strong. women voters and progressive democrats very strong but she's got to work hard from the very first moment when she announces or if and when and that hard work has to be articulate issues that people like richard will disagree with and then have a debate that will make the american people proud but not throwing mud and really dignifying what you heard from rand paul which is mud slinging and the american people are tired of that. >> how do you think the american public is going to respond to what rand paul said number one

day on the campaign trail? does this have a lot of leg in the media world? does this story have legs? is this going to go somewhere? is this going to be a viable strategy? >> it went somewhere today because he was pretty strong and those attacks were more biting and more direct than we have heard from republicans on her, so it was news today. but remember he wasn't really talking to the american electorate at large today. he was talking to republicans. he was firing up a base that he hopes to not only grab on to but to expand. i was really interested to hear how mainstream republican he sounded and not fringy libertarian in his remarks yesterday. he's clearly going for a wider base. >> how do you think hillary clinton is going to respond to this kind of campaign against her, lanny? >> on issues. i've known her for a very long

time since law school when her last name wasn't clinton. she's very fact oriented. she's very issue oriented. i think she's open to changing her position on issues based upon new facts, and that kind of debate with a thoughtful conservative will help the country, whether she wins or loses, but she's not the kind of person or candidate who likes to engage in personal attacks and will probably not do so even once in a while when provoked. she's tempted to attack back. i don't think she will. >> bill clinton has a pretty good record of beating you conservatives. the big story is he's going to be a backstage strategist and evolve from that. >> no question. >> you guys better be ready over there. >> her biggest asset, ed no question is her husband. he's the master strategist. rand paul is a new republican.

he's going to do something that no other republican right now has shown they're capable of doing and be a very attractive candidate to a lot of young people. he's a magnet for young people. you're going to see rand paul talk about reform of the criminal justice system talk about the constitution. we haven't had republican candidates for president that talks about reform of the criminal justice system constitution, other issues that appeal to a wide range of americans, particularly young people. >> all right. great to have you for the discussion tonight. i appreciate you being here. remember to answer tonight's question there at pulse.msnbc.com/ed. we'll have the results right after the break. share your thoughts with us on twitter, like us on facebook and you can get my video podcast at wegoted.com. big money helps mayor 1% win

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he sounds like he's learned his lesson. money might get you re-elected, but it can't buy you love and he's out to get it. he took home nearly 56% of the vote. chuy garcia grabbed 44% and he was heavily out funded. emanuel raised $21 million to get re-elected. chicago alderman aligned with emanuel were kicked to the curb in yesterday's runoff election. joining me tonight jonathan nichols and susan garza, who was

a candidate for chicago's tenth ward atlderman. has your race been called yet? what is the latest on your race? >> all the precincts have been counted and we're up by 54. we consider ourselves the winner. nichols, this means there are six new faces on the city council. is it going to be harder for rahm to drive policy on public education the way he has in the past? >> of course it's a loss. if susan garza, who is with us tonight, gets on that council, you're putting somebody who has come out of the public schools on the council. these are grass roots folks that came up because they were so concerned about the way rahm emanuel was running things. this runoff for mayor and city

council seats was unprecedented. chicago politics has been shaken up in a very profound way and he may have had a five to one spending advantage and all the power of incumbency to get him through, but he lost 44% of the vote. 250,000 chicagoans voted for an insurgent candidate who wasn't running six months ago. >> what about the money? what are your thoughts? >> rahm emmanuel came into the race with $24 million. one of the things that i think is really significant is i know the tenth ward -- i was outspent as well. it is pretty extraordinary what chuy did in such a short amount of time. he didn't have enough time to get those people together and push it forward.

>> the teachers union was against the mayor, although you get elected as well as others who are outaligned with public education. >> i'm hoping he has learned his lesson and starts to look at people like people and not just numbers. we all have to work together and make chicago a better place. i'm hoping he's ready to do that. >> if it is even money, who wins? >> even money in this race i think chuy garcia would have won. it's as simple as that. the fact of the matter is that polling early on showed that mayor emanuel offended a lot of people erring toward downtown. i think there was a lot of anger at him. when you have $24 million, you can change some attitudes. he spent a lot of time apologizing to the people of

chicago when you look at his ads? >> yeah. >> is that right? i didn't see any of his ads. he was trying to reinvent himself in a sense with voters. is that the correct terminology, do you think susan? >> yeah, i think so but chuy won the tenth ward. he won the tenth ward by a bigger margin than i did. there's a lot to be said with what's happening in chicago politics. people have spoken. people are tired of the status quo and i think this is just the beginning. >> okay. so how important did labor, their role in all of this play for you? >> labor has always played an important role in everything i do. i was asked a question one time -- oh, you're going to be in the pocket of the labor unions, but traditionally labor unions have always stood for the working class. they've always been on the side of the working people so who doesn't want to be in the pocket of the working class? the working class, the labor

movement is starting to evolve and push forward, and i'm proud to be part of it. >> chuy garcia had over 6,000 people on the ground social networking that we have never seen before by the democrats in chicago, but it wasn't enough. is this a classic example of how money just gets it done? >> i think it is an example of the power of money and we should be deeply concerned about that. we ought to be addressing money at every level, national state, and local politics. money is especially powerful in local campaigns because it can come in fast and move a lot of advertising. when all of that is said i think the thing to understand about chicago is historically movements in chicago take time to build. harold washington ran for mayor for the first time in 1977. he only got 10% of the vote. six years later, he is elected.

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counts against him, including the charge of using a weapon of mass destruction. >> reporter: guilty the verdict repeated 30 times this afternoon. dzhokhar tsarnaev find guilty on every count he faced. the jury will hear more evidence and more testimony as they now decide if tsarnaev will be put to death or spend the rest of his life in prison. >> if this isn't the textbook example for a death penalty case there probably isn't one. >> reporter: trying to save his life his defense team will expand on the message they have echoed throughout this case that tsarnaev was pulled into the plot by his older brother tamerlan tamerlan. >> we'll see a lot of evidence put forward by his side to show the dysfunctional family element this young man was exposed to.

>> reporter: he has sat at the defense table seemingly unaffected by the proceedings. >> it would be helpful for the defense if he would show some kind of emotion, if he would show some kind of remorse. >> reporter: that emotion not evident this afternoon as tsarnaev stood staring straight ahead as the verdict was announced. >> several victims and family members spoke to the press after the verdict. ron, what are you hearing from them tonight? >> reporter: they're hearing they're happy with the verdict obviously. this is not really a surprise for anyone who lives in massachusetts. i spoke to one victim earlier today. she was surprised the jury deliberated for a second day. she thought this would be all wrapped up yesterday. he did it essentially. what the defense is saying is that they have differences with

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welcome back to "the ed show." a police shooting in south carolina has captivated the country again. this time there is footage of a south carolina white police officer shooting an unarmed black man. seen in this video, officer michael slager fired eight shots

at the back of walter scott following a traffic stop. josh earnest commented on this day saying that body cameras could have been a game-changer. >> when this video evidence was presented, it changed the way that they were looking at this case. i do think that is an example of how body cameras worn by police officers could have a positive impact in terms of building trust. >> earlier today, the mayor of north charleston south carolina announced an order for 251 body cameras following the incident. we have the details on this tragedy in south carolina. >> i have been praying for peace. >> reporter: in a press conference that was frequently interrupted by cries from demonstrators, north charleston leaders reported the firing of patrolman michael slager

charged with murder in the death of walter scott following a traffic stop. >> i have watched the video, and i was sickened by what i saw. >> reporter: the recording shows officer slager firing eight shots at scott as he runs away. slager picks something up and drops it near scott's body. >> there are questions that i have in my mind that i can't answer right now. >> reporter: the mayor and chief of police visited scott's family wednesday morning to express their condolences. the parents also appeared on "the today show" and said that scott may have run because he owed back child support. while the video is painful to watch, they are grateful it has surfaced. >> it would have never come to light. they would have swept it under the rug. >> reporter: north charleston's mayor announced he's ordered 150 body cameras in addition to more than 150 paid for by a grant.

all officers on the force will soon be required to wear them. the power of video evident in walter scott's last moments. >> attorney benjamin crump with us and a new york city council and dr. james peterson. gentlemen, thanks for your time tonight. mr. crump, this officer wasn't charged until the videotape surfaced and you wrote about this in "the new york times" today with an op-ed. why does it take a piece of videotape? >> it is troubling because the narrative. the narrative is always the same. i felt in fear of my life. i felt threatened. the unarmed person reached for my gun and america continues to accept this narrative over and over again from every police department across the country, and when is america going to start to challenge these matd

matters. but for this video, it would have been accepted again. it was accepted in michael brown. it was accepted in travis carter. it was accepted in every police shooting of an unarmed person of color that we can think of. >> how hard is it going to be to get a conviction? >> with video, it shouldn't be hard to get a conviction. you had eric garner on video. >> why isn't it every police officer is paying attention to the news? your thoughts on what's unfoldingunfold unfolding here? >> one of the reasons is they're getting away with it. we haven't yet grasped there that's a problem and admitted

there's an issue with race and policing in this country. at least he's being charged with murder. that's the first thing. the second is we have to remember this is happening whether the camera is turned on or turned off. unfortunately no one believes us unless there's a camera. look at all the things that happened. one, we want to make sure accountability accountability. two, he shot him in the back eight times. lied about what happened. it appears he dropped the taser to plant evidence. lied about giving him cpr. it was like he was shooting game. >> mr. peterson how do you unpack this yet again? >> yet again. ed, unfortunately, we've been covering this just on your show for years now. you look at how many cases we've had to come on and talk about, how many times we have had to go into these communities and try

to support the survivors of these tragedies. it is hard to make sense of it. i'm not a big proponent of body cameras, because i don't think that will instantly rebuild trust in our community. this video is startling and disturbing and the pathway forward has to be much more comprehensive for these things. him being convicted will not restore justice to this family and the community. >> what do you think about that mr. crump? >> the problem is it's a culture and the culture is we all say there are good police officers out there and nobody denies that but why aren't those good police officers speaking up when they see this bad conduct? >> he's claiming the guy went after his taser gun, so the cop must have known he was unarmed. so he started to run away.

isn't there a constitutional judgment here on shooting someone running away from you that is unarmed? >> absolutely. it is the fourth amendment and tennessee versus gardner, that you can't shoot fleeing felons. >> he talked about how low the bar is. how many times do we have to go over that bar? how many young people have been shot dead unarmed and nothing happened to the police officer because of the narrative? we have to first make something happen to that officer. that's what should happen when you murder somebody. you should be charged with murder and found guilty. >> it is training as withell. his instinct was to pull the firearm out. >> in the back. >> the narrative of what he looks at when he is shooting that person is not even a human being. how fast was he going? he could have chased after him.

he could have radared him. >> what's wrong with backup? do you have to have the guy in custody? >> michael brown was described as a hulk. what are these people seeing when they see black men? >> it makes you question every case out there. >> you're absolutely right. because of the familiarity of this law enforcement officer's narrative prior to the release of the video, it puts into relief the truth or the absence of truth in all these narratives we have seen from darren wilson. the viability of them just simply can't stick. >> it seems like the city of north charleston is doing a much better job than what ferguson did. they have met with the family. the insurance is going to be covered for his pregnant wife. the wife of the officer is eight months pregnant.

they're doing things right, are they not? >> the footprints of ferguson is all over this country. i don't to applaud them for doing what they should have done. they should have questioned this at the beginning when you had shots in the back. >> what would have happened without this video? >> great to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. next the way forward for ferguson, missouri. we'll talk to one of the newly elected city council members about last night's historic election. stay with us. we're right back on "the ed show." audible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping the nissan rogue with safety shield technologies. the only thing left to fear is you

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and finally tonight for the first time african-americans will control half of the ferguson missouri, city council. voters elected two black candidates on tuesday night. it's the first election since the fatal shooting of michael brown by a police officer.

ella jones and wesley bell will join the city council with another african-american member already on the council. until tuesday, five of six members were white. voter turnout doubled from the last election in 2014. a report from the justice departments concluded african-americans were unfairly targeted by police in ferguson. the police chief and city manager resigned shortly after that report was released while two-thirds of the residents are black in the st. louis suburb a black majority has never been reflected in their representation. the council has had only two black council members since 1894. joining me tonight, victorious wesley bell now a ferguson city council member elect. >> thanks for having me. >> did you expect this? did you feel and see this change coming? >> you know it's been a

process. you know a lot of things have happened in our community, things that we could have never anticipated. and i think the elections yesterday are indicative of that. >> how about the turnout? was it something you did expect? were people motivated? could you feel that? >> i'll tell you what early in the day i was nervous, especially when the rain hit. i was getting nervous. but the residents poured out and the largest turnout in history. >> what does that election say about ferguson in the wake of the tragedy of michael brown and the tragedy that's taken place and the media focus on that community. what does this say? >> it's not so much what it says. i think it reinforces the notion that people in ferguson know ferguson is a community-oriented

city. if you have a fund-raiser, if someone needs help citizens come to the aid. they will show up in droves. now, having said that there are pockets of our community that don't feel that same connection particularly in my ward. so we have to do more community outreach and try and make our citizens who don't feel that same connection we want to bring them into the fold and make them feel that they are valued and part of the process. >> mr. bell before what happened in ferguson did you ever think you'd run for this position? >> you know what this is -- i had run for county council, st. louis county council. that was the only time i had run and that primary was just a few days before michael brown was killed. and so when this happened just a few days after the primary, you know mentally and physically i was just drained. i wasn't thinking about running for city council, much less

anyone's council and -- but, you know certain situations it spurred certain -- >> sure. so what are your expectations now that african-americans are certainly represented on the city council in ferguson? now what? >> well i don't think it's more so much a now what as in what are we going to do now? >> that's what i mean. that's how i meant it. i don't want to offend you by what i said. but, you know, look -- >> no no, no. >> -- change is in the works. the community wants change. what is the plan? where do you go from here? >> i think first we have to come together as a community. you know we've heard enough of mud being slung. you know let's come together and work as one ferguson. and to a man to a woman in ferguson, i see that you know citizens do seem -- we recognize

that there's challenges that need to be faced and issues that need to be addressed. so i don't think that's going to be a problem. >> i've got to ask you, what about the police department? >> i'm a criminal justice professor at seant lewis community college in ferguson and i'm a big proponent and have been screaming from the hilltop about community organized policing. i intend to be very active in the picking of a new chief and i want someone who is going to be community-oriented. we have to change the culture from the top down. officers shouldn't be judged on by how many tickets they write. they should be judged by how many people they know in the community. >> wesley bell good to have you with us on "the ed show." it's change that is certainly needed in ferguson missouri. appreciate your time. thank you so much. that is "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now.

congratulations on the conference going on in new york. lots of good comments going on. >> thank you. thanks to you for tuning in. we start with breaking news potential new video in the deadly south carolina police shooting. authorities say dash cam video of the traffic stop before the shooting exists. and could be released tomorrow. officials also saying today, officer michael slager has been fired after being charged with murder, the murder of walter scott. the incident caught on cell phone video showing mr. scott running away when the officer fired eight shots. that video triggering protests today. we have to warn that this video is