rpton starts right now. congratulations on the conference going on in new york. lots of good comments going on. >> thank you. thanks to you for tuning in. we start with breaking news potential new video in the deadly south carolina police shooting. authorities say dash cam video of the traffic stop before the shooting exists. and could be released tomorrow. officials also saying today, officer michael slager has been fired after being charged with murder, the murder of walter scott. the incident caught on cell phone video showing mr. scott running away when the officer fired eight shots. that video triggering protests today. we have to warn that this video is graphic.

[ gunfire ] >> the officer told dispatchers, walter scott grabbed his taser. as the video continues, the officer returns to the spot where the men were standing and picks something up. the officer then returns and drops an object near scott's body. it's not clear whether it's the taser. i commend the city of north charleston for acting swiftly to deliver justice in this case. the video came out and they acted on it. but today, walter scott's father was asked what would have happened without the video? >> it would have never come to light. they would have swept it under the rug like many others. and i thank god that this young man, whoever it was, had the video. when i saw it i fell to my feet and it just -- my heart was

broken. and i said oh no it can't be. and when i saw it i just couldn't take it anymore. >> reporter: this morning, the mayor and police chief of north charleston visited the scott family. the mayor says the police force has placed an order for body cameras. >> thanks to senator marlin kempson and also one of the members of the state legislature, we received a grant to purchase 101 body cameras. >> as i said the city should be commended for its swift action and there are a lot of leaders stepping up in the face of this tragedy. but we cannot rely on citizens with cameras to make sure justice is served. we still have a long way to go to ensure every american is treated equally in the eyes of law enforcement.

joining me now in south carolina is mayor marlin kempson is who is behind a bill for mandatory police body cameras. joy reid spoke with the members of the scott family. thank you all for being here. >> thanks rev. >> thank you very much. >> senator kempson, i think the city has done a good job responding. what's your reaction and the city's reaction? >> well so far, the city has done a good job in responding but this criminal needs to be brought to justice. as you mentioned earlier, we mentioned last year last may,

recognized that there was a growing need for the continued interaction with law enforcement and community members. and that is why we offered the proviso which resulted in funding 115 body cameras. so our work is not -- >> this was last may, senator, way more you had any inkling of this incident? >> that's right. if you look at last may, the climate was one of distrust of law enforcement in this community. now, the city correctly recognized that and that's why they were so supportive of this anti-crime initiative. the anti-crime initiative funded the body cameras, which are currently being shipped to north charleston and, more importantly, a number of community-based programs that will restore the trust and foster a better relationship with the community members and law enforce had the here on the

ground in north charleston. >> senator kimpson, you sponsored a bill last year requiring police officers to wear body cameras. it's not been voted on after three subcommittee meetings. do you believe that the bill will gain momentum now? >> i do. in fact reverend al this morning i got a very significant co-sponsor, senator larry grooms the chairman of the senate transportation committee. i got a co-sponsor authorization from the minority leader in the senate senate nicky settsler and there is a joint bipartisan letter calling on the chairman of the judiciary committee, get it to the full committee so that this bill can be debated on the senate floor beginning next

thursday. >> joy reid you're on the scene there. you've talked with two members of the family i believe. what are the people in the community saying, particularly in the part in the tape where the officer puts something on the ground? what are people saying about that? rev, i watched the press conference that you showed a small clip of after interviewing the older and younger brother of mr. scott and being in the family home, we walked it from there. i think you can barely describe the mood as disbelief. you showed where senator kimpson was praised for the body camera initiative. but the conference became chaotic because there were a couple of very important questions that they were not willing to answer. one of the questions is does the department know what the object was that the officer

appeared to pick up as you described, rev, and what it was that was dropped near the body of walt terer scott? the police chief launched into a nonsequitor, that they were not required to send it over to the state police agency but that they had. after that people were demanding -- there were dozens and dozens of people in the press conference that nt waed an answer to that question. >> we knew what it was. clearly you can't just walk past that. that's very important. >> exactly. the police chief seemed not willing or able to answer questions about the investigation. one of the other aspects when i was here at the courthouse in just talking to some of the people who were inside protesting inside of that press conference they want to know

what are the procedures for an officer to ask that person or demand that person put their hands behind their backs, something that this man clearly couldn't do. and that wasn't answered in the press conference and, again, at a certain point, the police chief stopped talking. >> now, it's good that we see charges but we do need to know what is the procedures and policies going forward and we do need a law, as senator kimpson is raising. how do you, as an experienced

police officer, think that it has been handled from a police point of view? >> overall, it's been handled quite well. but as the investigation continues and there will be a continued investigation into all of the circumstances and the facts involved in this case it becomes more apparent. it's kind of a double-edged sword. one, we always want to have the separation and independent agency investigating these types of incidents which, in this case, the state law enforcement division is investigating this incident separated from north charleston police department. but the downfall of that is that you tend to lose information and access to information and clear communication of information because you have one agency trying to avoid compromising integrity of the investigation for the other agency. but i think overall the investigation has been one quick and responsive and it's been a

well-coordinated process between the prosecutors office and there's been some communication, some very public open expressions by the police agencies, by the mayor and there's been contact with the family. so this an opportunity to use this north charleston incident as really a gauge of how to examine and proceed with these types of cases in other areas and in other departments. there are things that we're going to take away and learn from and things that need to be corrected and that's part of that greater reform movement in criminal justice. >> joy, you spoke to walter scott's brother anthony who told you about the police confiscating the camera when he took photos of the scene. listen to this. >> i went down there and tried to get some photos and they took my camera. >> who took your camera? >> the north charleston police department.

>> have you gotten it back? >> i have. >> are there still photos on it? >> yes, there is. and the tape. >> when they took your phone, why did the officers say they were taking your phone? >> because i took the pictures. >> did they say you didn't have a write to take pictures? >> that's what they told me. >> that's a striking claim, joy. i mean what's your take on that? >> yeah absolutely. so anthony scott and rodney scott arrived separately to the crime scene on the day that their middle brother was shot. both of them described not being treated with compassion by the north charleston police. they described essentially being told to get back behind the tape, they were not given information. when anthony scott you heard speaking identified himself as a brother and began taking pictures from behind the police tape, he says that his phone was taken from him. he was only able to retrieve it later. and the family has been very clear, rev, yes, you can praise the department for ultimately

before this video came out before the video came out, they knew that this man was shot in the back up to six to eight times and the police department came out and exonerated the officer in advance of an investigation. they described the narrative that made walter scott be the aggressor, they claimed that he was attempting to take the officer's taser and described essentially the officer's story as the official story for four days. and what both of the scott brothers told me rev, is that were it not for the videotape, they were not confident that this investigation would have resulted in an arrest. they are thankful to the person who bravely took that video because they are not confident that there would have been justice without it. >> well, there was an investigation and i was called on this saturday night and it was a total different story until the video came out and

what the brothers are saying correspondents with my experience of this. joy, you talked to walter scott's brother rodney who grew emotional talking about the things that walter wanted to do with his children. listen to this. >> all the things that my brother had planned to do and wanted to do. he was definitely a family man. we talk about him buying this big van, you know, and taking his kids to disney world. and now he won't be able to do it. >> joy you can see the pain this family's going through. >> absolutely rev. you know as a pastor you know you have a family home that's teaming with relatives and aunts and uncles and children and the house is full and in talking with both the brother and mom --

remember, this was the middle child. walter was the big brother to rodney and the little brother to anthony. rodney talked about them having a really close bond. they bathed in the tub together as kids. they were especially close and he said that he was extremely emotional at that scene. they are really broken hearted. so while there is some relief for this family rev, what you really felt in that home was a great deal of pain. the mom is a very religious woman. she's a christian woman. she was really falling back on her faith but you really did feel from each of those family members, they are devastated and they don't believe that they have achieved victory with this arrest. they want to see a conviction. and as we all know that is very difficult to achieve when you're talking about a law enforcement officer. >> if i might -- if i might add, that our job as a legislator and

my job in senate district 42 is to ensure that justice is served. immediately after the shooting i called the chief and implored him to render a rapid conclusion to this investigation. that does not mean that the citizens don't have a right to ask questions about the investigation. they have that right. they deserve answers. and we will be working on next tuesday to ensure that the current law that does not allow citizens to participate, the senator has assured that he will encourage citizen participation so that the citizens can be

encouraged to tape and preserve evidence to assist with the investigation. so from that perspective, mr. scott's legacy will live through our body camera legislation and some of the other efforts that my colleagues intend to introduce but that does not exculpate this police department. we have some real tough questions asked and we deserve the answers to those questions. but the investigation is ongoing and i praise the family for exhibiting great courage and instead of pointing pictures at the initial outset they wanted it the facts to unravel. >> well, i think that they have shown -- the family has shown real dignity and, again, the investigation will go forward. mark, i'm out of time. but quickly, do you think that is t is likely or unlikely that

we can get a conviction and an arrest and charge does not mean there's a conviction. will there be a conviction in your guesstimate? >> that's so important. i'm afraid to even guesstimate. there's been cases where the videos have been clear and convincing. i'm afraid to guesstimate but i will tell you this that so many eyes are on this given the national climate and it's important for us to pay attention to every aspect of what is going on in north charleston. >> all right. we'll have to leave it there. senator marlon kimpson, joy reid, thank you for your time tonight. >> joy reid's full interview with walter scott's brothers will air exclusively tonight in full on "all in with chris hayes" on msnbc at 8:00 p.m. we'll be right back with the legal side of this case.

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we're staying on top of breaking news. a south carolina police officer charged with murder and fired from the force. officer michael slager's original lawyer quitting after the video surfaced showing the officer firing at 50-year-old walter scott ran away. their lawyer telling "the daily

beast," "all i can say is that the same day the discovery of the video was disclosed publicly, i withdrew as counsel immediately." officer slager was denied bond late last night. in addition to the criminal case walter scott's family plans to file a civil lawsuit. joining me now -- >> we will be filing a civil lawsuit in this matter. >> we will continue to work and make sure that justice is served. and, if possible prevent this from happening to somebody else because things like this do not have to happen and they shouldn't happen. >> joining me now to talk about how this case could play out in the legal system a criminal defense attorney eric guster and prosecutor and host of judge faith, faith jenkins. thank you both for being here. >> thanks rev.

>> this video changed this case and there may be more video that we haven't seen. how will it be used going forward? >> as a prosecutor and as a former prosecutor here in new york, you don't get better evidence of a crime than this video. because what you see here on this tape, i submit that there are three crimes you are witnessing. you're witnessing what appears to be a cold-blooded execution of a man with a nonjustified shooting and tamper with evidence. law enforcement received this tape on monday and less than 24 hours later, this police officer was charged with murder because the tape speaks for itself. >> now, the video, eric shows the officer dropped something near eric's body but it's not clear what this object is. >> yes, sir. >> and the video is very graphic and compelling but we've had video before. how do you try to verify what

this object is and how will this play a part in the ongoing legal process? >> that's going to play a tremendous part because this officer appears to obviously be dealing with evidence and tampering with evidence because when a man is shot in the back eight times and an officer moves something by his body it's clear that he's trying to create a narrative that he wrote in the police report which is totally different than what happened out there. and luckily for the family that they saw this video, this video became public and thank god we saw this because otherwise he would have been dead and nothing happened. >> eight shots. four hit him. here's where the supreme court stands on when it's okay for a police to use lethal force, faith. it comes from the face of tennessee versus garner. "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect pose as significant threat of death or serious physical injury to

the officer or others." from what we know so far, do you see that in this case and how that could be argued in this case? >> i absolutely don't see it. first of all, keep in mind the context of -- this man was stopped for a broken taillight. that's the reason he was stopped. >> right. classic police narrative. >> i think even when he comes up with the defense, because we obviously know now that he lied in his police report. the new defense he's going to come up with the tape doesn't show everything, right? something happened prior to when this person started recording. so there's more to this story. but the fact is when you're talking about and analyzing when excessive force and when it's used by a police officer, it's in the moment that he has to use that force and in this moment on this tape you have a man running away. he's not even sprinting or -- it doesn't even look like he's in the best shape of his life. >> he's jogging. >> clearly other means could have been used to detain mr. scott other than shooting him in the back four times.

>> slager's personnel file reveals a 2013 complaint against him for using his taser and slamming a man into the ground. will that become a factor? >> that will become a factor. in trial, you can bring out prior bad acts of someone, on the civil side and criminal side when kwlour dealing when you're dealing with this type of fact. you can bring in witnesses and garner testimony to show his propensity for this type of violence because this tape shows everything, just like faith just said this tape is clear, convincing and there's no other option except for a conviction in this case. >> you know faith, the officer is charged with murder but that's just the first step here. analysts from an analysis -- from analyst to the state newspaper in south carolina found, quote, police in south carolina have fired their

weapons at 209 suspects in the past five years but none has been convicted. there are, of course different standards in civilian shootings. how could that factor into this case? >> what bothers me and what i think should be the concern for everyone here when you look at this police officer's report it looks like every other police officer's report when you're talking about justifying a shooting except now we have videotape that contradicts that. there's almost a script. >> right. >> police officers know what to say. i know that this shooting needs to be justified so what am i going to say? he was going after my weapon. i was in fear for my life. he was reaching for my gun. it's the standard things over and over again rev. and unless we have a tape -- why is it that the standard is unless there is a tape to disapprove that, unless there is a tape to say that is a lie, these officers get away with it.

>> which is why there need to be national standards. we can't depend on state by state incidents. eric guster and faith jenkins, thank you for your time this evening. we're following breaking news out of boston. the boston bomber might face the death penalty after being found guilty on all counts. we're live in boston, next. excellent looking below the surface, researching a hunch... and making a decision you are type e*. time for a change of menu. research and invest from any website. with e*trade's browser trading. e*trade. opportunity is everywhere. there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use,

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breaking news out of boston tonight, the boston marathon bomber could face the death penalty after a jury found dzhokhar tsarnaev guilty on all 30 counts today. tsarnaev faced 30 different charges in connection with the coordinated attack that killed three people at the 2013 boston marathon and an officer at m.i.t. after the verdict. survivors and families of

victims spoke. >> i don't want to say a happy day but i feel grateful for the outcome. >> i don't think it's closure. it's just that we are glad that the person who did it was found guilty. >> one more step to the end to finally being able to put it behind. >> relief. everybody has been on edge. i think we're all expecting it to end up that way. >> he should be held accountable for his actions and i'm very thankful for each of the jury members that are making him do that. >> the jury must decide whether to sentence him to death or life in prison. joining me now is eric levinson news writer for boston.com and seema ira, host of "the docket" on shift msnbc. thank you both for being here. >> thanks. >> eric what is your reaction and what's the reaction in boston to the news today?

>> well it hasn't been a huge surprise. the defense essentially admitted that they did it and in the opening statements confirmed it and in the closing statement they only called four witnesses. the reaction has been a bit of closure. victims' statements, there was a teary statement that you just played. there's a bit of closure but there's still more to go. >> you know seema, after the verdict, some of the bombing survivors spoke about watching dzhokhar during the trial itself. >> we were just talking about it inside and whether or not he showed any remorse how we would feel about it and personally i wouldn't have bought it. i would have been more frustrated if he had shown it because throughout this whole thing he's been to use my word arrogant walking in and out of

the courtroom and completely disinterested. >> looking at the death penalty here seema, how important is the perception? >> i think that it will show that dzhokhar was under this spell of the older brother, that he was being brainwashed. his arrogance is misinterpreted rev, for youth. he's young and doesn't know how to handle the situation and she's going to point out that this kid has never been in trouble with the law before. >> you know eric massachusetts is notoriously against the death penalty and in a new poll 62% said tsarnaev should be sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole while 27% said he should receive the death penalty. this is not a cut and dry case for the prosecution or the

defense. >> right. this is a federal trial in massachusetts. so that means there is a possibility of the death penalty and the jurors are all death qualified so they are asked, are you open to the possibility of a death penalty and they all said yes. even though the broader community of boston may be against the death penalty, these 18 jurors are open to the idea. it's hard to predict. it will be up to them. >> there was a statement released to spare dzhokhar's life. they write, "the defendant has been neutralized and will never again have the ability to cause harm because of this. we believe that society can do better than the death penalty." what do you think? >> i don't think that's terribly significant. that's their religious belief and it plays into frankly, the poll that you just quoted. but i think what's most important is judy clarke is

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thank you all for being here. >> thanks rev. >> is rand paul ready for primetime? i mean paul is formally in the 2016 race and today he's in the primary state of new hampshire. but in his first big network interview since declaring his candidacy, he got a little testy when questioned about foreign policy. >> before we go through a litany of things you say i've changed on why do you ask me a question, have i changed my opinion on -- >> no no no. listen you've editorialized -- let me ask you a question. you said have your views changed instead of editorializing and saying, have your views changed? >> savannah guthrie handled the interview very well and asked

how he has been evolving on the important issues that we're dealing with today. is he ready for primetime? i think he's been in the spotlight for a while now not only as senator but with his dad running for president he knows what it takes. in nature he's passive aggressive, whether that is in interviews, with politicians. you'll remember he called chris christie the king of bacon. people say he's known to troll on twitter. this is sort of the guy he is. how that's going to play on the presidential stage, that is to be known. i'm not sure. >> jimmy, he's also playing to a base that he's trying to appeal to say i stand up to the washington establishment and the media. does it play to his base when he gets a little confrontational when he gets to the media? >> no. and it's impossible that it

plays to a base and the reason is because the etiquette is not dead, for gosh sakes. i mean the idea -- he only does this to women. he did this to our colleague savannah guthrie. he's done this over and over again but almost always exclusively to women reporters. >> i will jump in there. he's been aggressive to our own ari melber. there was a similar tone and he has that tone about him. >> i think that we have rand-splaining and it's directed towards women. the question about whether or not he's ready for primetime, abby is right. he's been around politics for such a long time. he should really know better. this really doesn't bode very well for his future. this is like day one, week one.

you've got to be able to conduct a civil interview without flying off the handle. >> can anyone -- i want any of you to tell me -- can anyone see bill clinton playing a backstage role in anything? >> well that's exactly what he is saying he's going to do if and when his wife hillary announces her candidacy for the presidency. clinton tells town and country magazine, "my role should primarily be as a backstage adviser to her until we get much, much closer to the election" and when asked if he would have a role in his wife's administration if she wins he relies "i would have to assess what she wants me to do." >> i think bill clinton, a gentleman from arkansas never treated a reporter poorly as senator rand paul has done and i think he would do exactly what he said. hillary clinton, if she runs and

wins will be the president of the united states. and so he will be her husband. he will be her adviser. he will also be the first husband or -- i don't even know what you would call him. but he'll play a role in the white house. by the way, as did she, as does michelle obama et cetera et cetera. so i have zero problem with him wanting to be in the backstage. do i believe it? of course not. but i think he will treat people with respect. >> my question though is even if he does it backstage, it's going to become front page news. he can't avoid it. it's going to be a front page story because they are really like royal family. >> abby there's one clinton caveat. he said until we get much closer. >> he didn't say when that time period happens. who decides when it's much closer? >> well he'll probably decide that as he decides mostly. he's a tough one to control.

you'll remember gakback in 2008 bill clinton is a blessing and a curse. they want the campaign to be really tight and controlled. as everyone is saying, even if he's behind the scene, he's going to be telling the consultants what to do and going to be very involved regardless. >> we'll see if one harms the other if in fact she runs. abby jimmy and caroline thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thanks, rev ir deal. i hate to haggle. when you go to a restaurant you don't haggle over the chicken parmesan. why can't car-buying be like that? ♪ ♪ as long as people drive cars

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the seeds of "my brother's keeper" is taking root and growing. it's been just over a year since president obama announced this initiative of this mentoring program. one year later, young men across the country are already feeling the impact. >> to see the youth of our community just grow more in a positive way and going out into gangs. >> to see a boy like me with a baseball cap, you know you probably would think i'm a gang banger or something like that but that's not always the case. >> we'll be talking much more

about the program at my national action convention in new york. i recently spoke with broderick johnson, cabinet secretary and chair of my brother's keeper task force. >> the mark of how successful we've been in the first year is by the fact that over 200 communities across this country have agreed to accept the president's call to action which is a my brother's keeper challenge. cities and counties across the country have said that we are willing to invest in these young people in the way that the president has called upon us to do so. that has resulted reverend in gatherings of people who have been trying to get together on these issues for some time but couldn't quite do it and, as a response of the president's call

to action they haven't been able to get together. but most importantly, to start taking very concrete and collective action to make a difference. >> what has been the biggest success of the program to you so far? >> i think the biggest success of the program has been that we've been able to bring folks together again under the great leadership and call to action. across the country in large cities where you would expect people to come together in cities run together by democrats and also in mid-size cities smaller cities cities of republican mayors and republican legislators have gathered as well with businesses and to say we are willing to accept the challenge and responsibility that the president has laid out to address these issues that especially affect boys of young men of color comprehensively, boys of color really really feel a sense of hope and a real

tangible sense that their country, because of the call of the president of the united states, is investing in them. >> what does the president hope to accomplish in year two of the program? >> i think in year two it's to continue with the progress that we've made so far. you know that work hasn't been going on just locally in communities but also in the federal government and to make sure that what is happening at the community level gets support from businesses from faith leaders, community activists and local officials and from boys and young men themselves to make a difference in their communities and if that work will be sustained and that's what the president expects going forward through the rest of his presidency, reverend, but also beyond that. >> roger johnson, thank you for your time tonight and we're looking forward to seeing you at the convention. >> i look forward to seeing you too. thank you very much. breaking news lester holt

just interviewed the man who shot the video that led to the arrest of the officer in south carolina. he said the officer had control of the situation before he started recording. >> what did you think when you saw him standing there and opening fire? >> well at that moment i didn't know if it was real bullets. sometimes they use bullets that is not real. just when i saw him basically dying, that's when i saw that it was a real gun. i believe that even though it's not safe and it's a complicated situation, this is something that every citizen has to do when they see something wrong. >> he added that what he feels

he did is something that every citizen should do when they see something wrong. shortly after investigators saw the video, they arrested officer michael slager. it is important that we understand this young man did the right thing as far as this video shows. it is also important that we understand we need policy around the country about cameras but also national policy we cannot just go state by state and incident by incident. we need action and we need policy for the good of police and citizens. we'll be right back.

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log on to learn more. convention got under way here in new york city. a big focus, the news of the police shooting in south carolina, an officer firing at a man running away. it was tragic and senseless. but at the convention new york

mayor bill deblaze blasio and others spoke about the north charleston mayor. >> there is something powerful in the fact that the officials in south carolina acted speedily acted speedily to address a tragedy, acted forthrightly. they didn't pull any punches. they said something was fundamentally wrong and they applied justice. >> and today i, too, commended the mayor and also spoke of the need for new national policy on policing. national policy and national law. we cannot depend on people to just have a camera thank god there was one here and we will see where the investigation goes. we can't depend on this. we must have transparency. cameras protects police and citizens when we see exactly what happens. and exactly what did not happen.

and we do not need to continue seeing incidents without having action that protects all involved. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. be sure to tune in to joy reid's interview with walter scott's family at 8:00 p.m. eastern on "all in." "hardball" starts right now. crime and punishment. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. two big stories tonight. one, the verdict in the boston marathon bombing. the other, a police shooting in south carolina. also tonight my interview with murphy brown and hillary's relationship with two presidents, bill and barack. let me start tonight with the arrest of a police officer in north charleston,