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replenish them. >> john garamendi in california good to have you with us this evening. >> thank you. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. \s. >> good evening, ed. breaking news the new dash-cam video connected to the deadly shooting in north charleston. it was just released by south carolina state's law enforcement division. it shows the traffic stop before officer michael slager shot and killed walter scott. you can see the broken taillight is there. there's also a second person in the car in the passenger seat and the video shows officer slager approaching the car. the audio isn't clean, but you can hear him asking walter scott for his license and registration.
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>> registration sir? let's start with your license. your brake light is out. ♪ >> do you have insurance on the car? >> no i don't have insurance. >> if you don't have insurance, your car -- >> i have -- i'm saying dish monday. okay. >> okay. let me have your driver's license. do you have anything in the glove box? no registration? no insurance? oak. you're buying the car? >> yes, sir. >> did you already buy it? >> no, not yet.
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-- over on monday. all right. i'll be right back. >> after the interaction, officer slager returns to his vehicle, and you can see what happens next. scott opens the driver's side door and gets out of the car, but he gets back in when the officer tells him to. then seconds after that walter scott gets out of the car again and runs. it all started with -- -- it all started with a traffic stop and the world knows how it ended. with the shooting caught on tape that's captured the attention of the nation. joining me now from north charleston msnbc national
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correspondent joy reid and eugene odonald, professor of law and police study at john yaijay college of -- thank you both for being here. >> we now know the ending of the event, but between this initial pullover and the fatal shooting that appears to be a piece that's unaccounted for at this point. >> eugene who should the officer have done after he ran, after scott ran? >> well you know it has all the appearance of an ordinary traffic spot. it doesn't seem tore a heightened alert, so therefore no backup. he certainly could radio for assistance. this is a 50-year-old guy. he's not exactly sprinting away. there is no reason to believe he's armed in any way, so it will raise more questions about
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the middle than it's going to answer. the middle that is to say, the part after the initial events. >> joy, what is your reaction? >> yeah i think this video definitely reinforces what the brother of walter scott said rodney, said he would have run away from police because he did have some issues in terms of child support that he didn't want dealt with. you can see he's going back and forth with the officer about whether or not he bought the car, so i think a couple things i would want to know would be number one, who was he buying the car from? not that that would be disposed of what happened afterwards but what might have made him nervous about not wanting to stay there and continue. obviously he decided to run away. as eugene just said there's nothing about in the video that suggests this was a man who was threatening, he's just afraid to continue the stop but the officer does have his driver's license in hand from that
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initial part of the stop. it's not as if he could have not tracked him, not tracked him down. presumably everything he had still there could have allowed him to ultimately find this person if he felt he wanted to do so, but because this was not a felony stop one wonders why the next action would be to hear him yelling i'm going to tase you, and then to shoot him. that's still a big unanswered question that's left unanswered by this tape. >> eugene given the procedures and laws in terms of using deadly force, even if there is something that ends up being questionable about scott in terms of whether or not he had issues, or with outstanding child support or other issues there does not appear from anything we have seen on this or the other video that puts the officer in a life extenuating or
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even threatened position. don't you need that to justify lethal force, eugene? >> you do. really uniquely here you have the video of the ending a dispatch tape and arguably both pieces of evidence suggests that he's creating a story. we don't know if there was a struggle about the taser. we'll have to see if that can be disproven, but the whole part about saying he has my taser, and sort of the calculating way in which he handled the post-shooting event seems to strongly suggest that that story might not be true at all. >> joy, the anticipation on the ground there in north charleston of this tape coming out, because all day we heard it was coming what was that like? and what was the reaction if you already have talked to people? it just came out not long ago. how was the anticipation all day?
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and whether or not you have any reaction since it came out. >> well yeah it's just come out, so there hasn't been much time for people to react. there was a small protest here who were demanding a public forum. they want to see a town hall so the public can weigh in. i think you are going to see more reaction now that the video is out, but rev, i would reinforce what a lot of eugene just said. one of the things that is clear in the video, again he's a 54-year-old man. sure, he got out and ran away but you wonder about this question of whether there was a struggle this is an officers quite a bit younger than mr. scott, could theoretically catch up with him, but you wonder if this was simply a chase that ended in a shooting. there doesn't seem to be anything that mr. scott would have turn around and fought with the officers. that's a big open question and whether this is just a
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frustrated officer chasen someone who refuses to stop. >> eugene what do you make out of that and then it appears that there was another person in the car? >> certainly you want to interview that person and want to interview -- i believe there's also another witness, but the hard evidence here the valuable evidence is first and foremost a video. you want to look at the police reports, and a picture starts to emerge i think. it's possible it would be disproven, but a picture emerges that a that the shooting appears to be calculated and the cover-up appears to be calculated assuming there's nothing in the middle that could dramatically change this. what flnt reason would he have to be throwing something near the body of the person killed in this case? >> now we're looking again at this new video. you see scott stops the car, and we see officer slager approach
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him. he acknowledges -- you see him touch where the taillight is broken. he starts asking for his i.d. and his registration and license. let's play it again. >> do you have insurance on the car? >> no i don't have insurance. >> if you don't have insurance, your car -- >> i haven't bought it yet. -- on monday -- >> you told me you bought it -- okay. >> my car is -- >> let me have your driver's license, please. do you have any paperwork in the glove box, no rental station? no insurance? okay. >> it appears a routine traffic stop and questioning -- and question and answer back and forth, joy, about the registration of the car, whether he was buying the car, but
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nothing sounding like any kind of threatening or even hostile, even argument at that point. >> yeah it's actually -- it seems like a fairly routine traffic stop where the driver is nervous. he's nervously explaining he doesn't yet have insurance, can see something on the effect of i'm going to be buying the car on monday does not yet have insurance, so up to that point it's fairly routine. this is another thing to look at rev, how brief the second part of the tape is. once mr. scott gets out car, you hear something on the order of stop or i'll tase you, then you hear the officers yelling something like tase tase tase and then it gets garbles. if there's a protracted
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struggle it's kind of hard to imagine it. i guess it's theoretically possible, but those are the things you're going to look at once this goes from a case to a trial, is was there even sufficient time in the amount of time you see in this tape for there to be a struggle over a taser. so it would be interesting to see how that part of it unfolds, but all of that takes place off camera. >> what are they trying to piece together when you see this release of the tape showing the initial encounter and the tape yesterday which showed the actual shooting. tell us what the police investigators are trying to piece together. >> well, to get a timeline to pinpoint every second and do it objectively would be ideal. so objectively in the sense you're not relying on somebody's account, two compelling pieces of evidence i think he's locked in on the idea that this guy was trying to take his taser, yet he radioed shots fired.
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also the idea of handcuffing this guy after the facts suggests he's trying to show that he thought he had some sort of weapon. i know it's a protocol to do that but under these circumstances when you piece this together, it certainly seems to show not only a cover-up of an unjustified shooting, but a fairly elaborate attempt to cover up with the expectations it wouldn't be -- this cover-up wouldn't be exposed. >> joy, is the attitude in the community that thoept more answers, there's a lot of attentions there's resolved that they'll stand behind the family's call that they want to go through the criminal justice system. what is the attitude you are hearing on the ground? >> absolutely. i think you definitely have a resolved community that even though the police have been forthcoming in a lot of ways you're not seeing a
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ferguson-style situation where you're hearing sort of negative things about the deceased. but i think despite that, you definitely get a sense from the people who come here in the couple days and they come to city hat, people are determined to see justice done. people don't believe that charges against the officer is necessarily a guarantee of what they would consider toss justice -- peep wanl to see if in fact it is possible for a police officers to not be charged with the murder of an individual citizen, but to be convicted. i think that's a big open question. i'll be honest there's a fair amount of cynicism over that question. >> eugene we're going to take a break, but you still have to see what the prosecutor does, if he's charged by a prosecutor and in fact send to trial. at this point, he's only been arrested and charged by the police. is that correct? >> that is correct. i think what's going to happen
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here the damnable stuff here is when you start lying, disassembling, start covering up. if it's an innocent mistake or misperception, that's one path but if you start planting evidence misrepresenting things, you're going down a whole other path. joy reid and eugene o'donnell stay with us when we come back more on the breaking news ahead on this new dash-cam video, just released from south carolina law enforcement, and the legal questions tied to this new video. also breaking now -- the mother of the officer charged with murder speaks out for the first time to "nbc nightly news." what she wants the world to know about her son the stay with us. act, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas.
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a big night of breaking news out of south carolina. dash-cam video just released
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dash-cam video from the traffic stop leading up to the shooting. you can see officer slager approach walter scott's car and tells him he was pulled over ball hi taillight was out. a little less than two minutes
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later, walter scott opens the passenger door and is told to get back in the car. 20 seconds later, scott opens his door again and takes off running. how might this video help in the investigation? and how could it figure into the case against officer slager? joining mess is dr. cedric alexander, president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives and a member of president obama's task force on 21st century policing. and criminal defense lawyer attorney john burris here with me. thank you both for being on the show tonight. cedric, what's your reaction? >> the video is just another piece of the puzzle that gives us some idea of what occurred during this entire engagement but what i'm really more concerned about more than
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anything elsesh to be perfectly honest is the fact we see the car being pulled over we see at some point mr. davis jumping out of the car running, for whatever reason. we're not in his mind we don't know why he ran, but for whatever reason he ran. subsequent to that he obviously engaged the police officer again, but it is going to be very, very difficult, i think, for me and many other people to make sense of the fact that from the very clear video that was taken by the video grapher, that there just is no reason or justification upon him running away from the officer on the second interaction we see there in the open field that he was shot in the back eight times. that's just very, very difficult to fathom regardless of what may have occurred before that. there's just got to be something very dramatic that led to that
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and there's just no clear indication as to why that would occur. >> john, what does the second tape from the prosecutor's point of view what kind of crime is this? this tape itself only helped to show this was a minor event, and also shows that the -- mr. collins hadn't done anything significant. that would suggest this is more murder than not, though we haven't see the fight itself. the fight itself would be critical in determining whether or not this is a murder or lesser charge of an offense. we don't know that yet. >> let me push you on that a minute, john. it came out that the national
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action network convention discussion, and thank you for being a part of it that we still have seen no real move from the prosecutor. we do not know what the prosecutor is going to do. he's been arrested and charged by police but he has to be charged by the prosecutor and then we see a jury selected we don't know what that's going to look like then a trial. even though clearly many of us including me feel that the mayor and police chief moved swiftly, we still have a lot of hurdles to go here if in fact it goes the way it appears to go. >> the d.a. is the one who makes the ultimate decision -- >> who hasn't done anything yet. >> not yet, but i think the d.a. needs to figure ute about this fight, the young man who took the video, he says there was a struggle of some kind. so the d.a. has to interpret that to say what impact did that have on the officer's mental
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state? it's the officer's mental state that becomes critical to determine what kind of charge there's going to be. you have to look at it from that point of view. if there's a real fight, that's one thing, but on the other hand even if there was a fight, the man left he was running away. there was nothing to indicate he created a danger for the police officer, so the d.a. could charge first or second-degree murder. my concern is in this particular case the lesser offense would be a manslaughter. what undermines that is the fact that if you believe the officers in fact went and planted the taser, that would undercut any notion of any lesser offense, because then you have an issue every the cover-up. and the cover-up is almost always worse than the crime itself. >> the fact that there is some appearance of the officer putting an object down near the body that many believe to be the
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taser, and that clearly there are conflicting statements in terms of who reported what they kinds of things from a law enforcement point of view is totally irreconcilable with someone in law enforcement justifying even if there was a struggle in fear justifying those actions, and would seriously give prejudice to how they view his testimony on the actions that happened prior to him putting down whatever the object was. >> absolutely. if everyone is under the assumption to believe that it may have been the taser, we'll her monday about that i'm quite sure in the days and weeks to come. if you go under that assumption that he did move that item from where it originally dropped in that crime scene, because one things that is very, very important, you have to protect that forensic scene. so if something falls over here
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you do not move it. everything has to stay exactly where they are. the bullet casings from his weapon have to remain exactly where they are, because it gives us a lot of information as to what occurred and how. one thing that is very clear about this video is that we all get to see it the way it occurred at that point in time. it just becomes very hard to rationalize anything else that relates to it. once you start moving items around on that crime scene, it certainly creates a cloud of suspicion that is hard for people to get out of their minds. >> cedric let me show you again where we have them getting out of the car. listen as carefully as you can, and watch this. this is when scott actually gets out of the car and begins to run.
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>> taser taser taser. >> we hear at the end "taser taser taser." so we assume in fact we know that in fact a taser was used by this police officer. >> yeah i think we can pretty much reasonably assume that. i don't want to be too speculative here that certainly will come out as well too, so in his warning, the fact he was getting ready to deploy his taser to mr. davis -- what it appears to be, but you know i think as the next number of days go on the next number of weeks, more and more information is going to emerge it will be interesting, of course to know
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that witness that was sitting in the car with mr. davis, what is his or her comments, conversation with him before he -- >> but john we do have the witness that videoed this encounter saying he was tasered. that does not in fact mean we know that to be the case but there is a witness who said he saw mr. scott being tasered. >> that means he was deploying the taser. we don't know if it was hit, but how -- here inaffect i have after ten feet. if there's taser marks on his body, that would suggest he actually caught up with him, deployed it and mr. scott kept running, and then he was shot after that. the problem is we don't see any of this. we know 24r6s a struggle at some point. >> that's right. >> and he caught him -- he had to catch him in order for there is to be a struggle or be that
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close to use the taser. you have to have prongs in mr. scott's body. it may not have been deployed but he was within ten feet and mr. scott continue continued to run. >> a subsequent between the tape that was released and the tapes we saw with the ehaven't that happened after, wouldn't that have a lot as to do with whether or not there would have been could have been a struggle? and how intense it could have been that would lead to a policeman saying he was afraid for himself, which was the statements maid over the weekend? >> absolutely. the time frame that's important, because it couldn't have been that intense of a struggle given the overall sometime period we have. we obviously have to deal with -- you have to uncover the cover-up. that is to say, demonstrate that the police officer's statements in fact are not true. that becomes critical to the overall case.
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you must be able to give the police of benefit of the doubt until you show there's reason not to believe them. the tape has a lot to do with showing that it's not believable, and once you go down that road i think a jury even if a southern town might be more inclined to give a conviction than not. >> dr. alexander, the young man that taped this on his cell phone, called to our craig melvin and he said he almost erased the tape. listen to this. >> i knew you know the magnitude of this. i tried to -- i even thought about erasing the video and -- >> reporter: why? >> i felt you know my life with this information, might be like say, in danger. >> dr. alexander, you remember the president's task force on 21st century policing. we talked a lot to the task force about cameras. what do you think when you hear him say he thought about erasing
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this tape? >> i'm just glad he did not. and we all are glad in this country, all of us who are watching this are glad he made the decision and had the courage to keep that piece of footage, and to share that footage appropriately, so that we all have this piece of effort which is -- had he not kept it all we would have had is just the word at this point of the officer, and the forensics evidence that would have been at the scene as well too, which could potential have been tampered with. >> my sense about that is this goes to the fear that african-american men may have going into a police station, not realizing what could happen to you while there. one you could have the tape given away and not hear about it ever again. you can't disprove it. secondly there's a real fear that your statement as given will be twisted in some way.
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i've seen many cases where a person who legitimately tried to give a good statement and that statement is twisted by the police, and had there been no tape, his testimony would ultimately be destroyed, and he would not be credible. the tape gives him credibility. so it really was his own sense of fear and own sense that his credibility would be destroyed if he in fact gave the tape away. so he had a legitimate fear. i think people are afraid when they go into a police department and rightfully they should be. >> all right. thank you both for your time this evening. >> thank you. coming up the mother of the officer charged with murder speaking out for the first time. what she's saying about her son, next. access to information, no matter where they are. the microsoft cloud gives our team the power to instantly deliver critical information to people, whenever they need it. here at accuweather we get up to 10 billion data requests every day. the cloud allows us to scale up so we can handle that volume. we can help keep people safe
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breaking news the mother of the south carolina police officer who is now charged with murder spoke out for the first time for "nbc nightly news." when investigators saw this
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video, they arrested officer michael slager. he's accused of shooting walter scott in the back killing him. officer slager is in jail right now. before the video came out, he said he feared for his life when he fired his gun. his mother says she has not been able to speak to him yet, but fully supports him. >> i understand there's a lot of things being said. i just want people to know that michael is a very good person. i have not read anything and i know people think that's kind of naive, but i just can't right now. i just can't. >> we'll talk more about this video and the new dash-cam video, ahead. ocuvite helps replenish key eye nutrients. ocuvite has a unique formula that's just not found in any leading multivitamin. help protect your eye health with ocuvite. sfx: clicking sounds so shiny. i know mommy but it's time to let the new kitchen
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the new video in the case but we don't see the actual shooting in it. there's been a push for mandatory police body cameras. a witness happened to get a video of the shooting that killed walter scott in north charleston and officer slager was arrested right after that video surfaced. the video has already ordered body cameras for some of its officers but after scott's death, all of the officers will wear them. >> we received a grant to purchase 101 body cameras. those body cameras are on order. today i made an executive decision and have notified my council, we have already ordered this morning an additional 150 body cameras, so that every
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officer on the street in uniform will have a body camera. cities and states across the country are having serious conversation about this technology and how to use it. justice this week we're seeing discussions about body cameras in south carolina michigan missouri and those same conversations are happening on a national level. president obama has asked for funding of 50,000 police body cameras. joining me now, south carolina's state representative wendell givia, he's sponsored a bill months ago to put cameras on officers statewide. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. i'm sorry it's under these circumstances, but thank you. >> i certainly join you in that. as someone who wants body cameras, it's interesting that
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we're seeing the dash-cam video, even if we do not actually see the shooting. what's your reaction? back then with the rodney king beating, we bulky video recorders. if it had not been up for that person in that room videotaping that beating the only thing this country would have is the 30 officers' testament against one african-american and we know how that would have played out. now here we are, years later by virtue of modern-day technology we have gone to the dash cameras now literally, and the body cameras have come in play. last year at the general assembly in the house, i introduced two bills. it was house bill number 30-57,
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and 30-58. 30-57 would ask that all law enforcement agencies in the state of south carolina that they be mandated to come on the job and be adorned with a body camera. >> let me push you right there, senator, because your bill actually says quote, all lafrs innocent agencies must equip their officers with wearable video cameras. we can see the last discussion of your bill came in january. what's the holdup in that legislation? >> well we call it due process. let me say we work well on both sides of the fence, who we have other things sad to say that have took precedent. our job is and i've since spoke with the speaker of the house, representative lucas, fine gentleman.
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he's assured me next week when we get back in session on the 14th that he would encourage his side of the fence to get that big out of the subcommittee. one of those bills will be pulled out subcommittees for due process. i was elated by that because we need this type of technology in the state of south carolina. what i would challenge our governor to do is to join us you know by virtue of everything that's happened to join us now in this endeavor because it's going to take leadership from all levels of government to make this happen. all right representative, thank for you your time. we'll be right back with more from charleston. to feel well rested and ready to enjoy the morning ahead. aleve pm. the first to combine a sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. for pain relief that can last until the am.
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back with the breaks news on the police sheeting in south carolina and new dash-cam video just released. also today new details about a 2013 case involving officer michael slager. and accusations of excessive force. back with me from north charleston msnbc national correspondent joy reid. joy, tell me about this case. >> so rev, back in 2013 there was a call of a potential burglary case. a young woman actually came forward to police. she reported it. she said she believed she knew
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who the person was and where el they lived. so the police go to the home looking for someone by the name of matthew alan given. matthew givens is the brother of mario givens. the two of them lived there along with their mother. so what happened after that because it starts off as the police have a legitimate reason they're coming to the house, but we're talking about 2:00 3:00 in the morning. according to mario givens the police bang on the door he wakes up from a sleep, goes to the door and is essentially dragged out of the house and beautifully tased, thrown down on the ground. i spoke earlier today with a neighbor who saw all the commotion, and heard mario saying, why are you assaulting me. there was an african-american officers but the same white officer we now know to be involved in having shot and charged with the murder of walter scott. the long story short, is it was
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a case of mistaken identity. matthew given is about 5'5". >> mario givens 5'5" is the mite of the brother, i'm about 5'6". this young man is over six feet tall, but the officer, the same officer in this case said the two looked exactly alike and essentially he couldn't tell one from the other. so mario after this happened he was not even arrested because he wasn't the person being looked for. he filed a complaint. i asked him how he felt when his complaint went essentially nowhere, and then how he was treated by the police department when he went in. here's what he told me. >> she was just nonchalantly -- he took a long time to get back with me. she wouldn't answer no phone, no nothing, just nonchalant. >> how did you feel when you found out the officer wasn't punished? >> i felt it was wrong.
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they put me under a certainly label. he's a criminal so we can do all kinds of -- we can even lock him up. i'm a black mand in a dominant neighborhood that they consider is messed up. interesting story. we'll be following it. joy reid thank you for your time this evening. >> thanks, ref. we'll be right back. since we're going to be here anyway it's kind of a no brainer
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the breaking news new dash-cam video from the south carolina shooting. this case was a big topic at my national action network convention here in new york city today. another big topic of conversation this week -- labor unions and the 2016 election. this weeknoic "newsweek" points to wisconsin governor scott walker whose union-busting propelled him into the first tier of the republican presidential candidates. president obama recently called out walker slamming his antiunion right to work bill as quote, unexcusal.
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it would be the defining story, and unioning are gearing up for action. joining me now are randy winegarten president of the american federation of teachers and lee saunders president of afscme, the nation's largest public employee union. thank you both for being here. lee, put this in perspective. how tough is this fight that unions are facing. it would be a huge fight. you have people like scott walker attacking corrective bargaining attacking payroll deduction. they know unions are a counter counter counterbalance. for the most part working families are still suffering. wages are frozen. as a matter of fact since 2009 wages have actually dwlined for working families by 5%. so we've got to mobilize and organize not only our members, but our communities, and urge
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them and educate them to participate in 2016. we've got to make our voices heard. >> randi, unions have always played an important role in presidential elections. what's the game plan for unions in 2016? >> well al i think, you know you just got to the $64,000 question, which is that if you actually look at all the evidence these right to work laws actually hurt the middle class, they don't create more jobs. in fact the first person who thought up right to work was a texas oil guy who was trying to suppress southern black americans from organizing. so it has to be about something else. what we think it's about is that these guys just want to take regular working folk out of politics in terms of 2016. they get to spend as much as they want anyway right now, they want to take away the people and the people's voice.
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that's what labor is but as lee said, we have to make this argument not just to ourselves and our members, but to the broader community. when we do like in ohio in 20111, when we bead governor kasich back on collective bargaining, that's the movement we need to make. >> you said something that we need to repeat. the economy is recovering but wages are still in need of attention, and actually has declined by 5% since 2009. >> that's exactly right. what we've got to do is connect. we've got to make connections. if you have a strong labor movement you'll have a very healthy middle class. when labor unions are weakened you'll have a weakened middle class. that's what happening right now. a lot of folks are trying to may by the rules every single day, but they don't have the ability to do it because of the frozen wages and economic injustice
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that exists right now. we've got to make sure that we communicate with folks, we talk to people, people like yourself. president obama made a very, very strong statement in the state of the union address talking about the importance of collective bargaining. we've got to make that connection. we need other validators to talk about the importance of the union movement the importance of collective bargaining not just for union members, but non-union members alike. >> and the fact that the minimum wage, a fact that most of the republican candidates -- potential republican candidates are against is even more needed now when you look at where wages are. >> exactly right, al and frankly just like lee said when you actually look at the evidence we have the largest gap between rich and poor right now, as we've had in america since probably the 1920s. as we see the demise of the labor or reduction in terms of the labor movement the more
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people that are in unions the more there is a counterbalance in terms of raising wages. so it's actually the less the government has to do because you're doing it yourselves in workplaces across america, in communities across american. that's the connecting of the dots that we have to do. when people have collective bargaining, they have voice, and they can tailor their circumstances to make a high productivity, high wage economy. that's what we need to fight for, and that's what the labor movement is fighting for. >> lee, so part of what has to happened is not only unions supporting candidates that spore what you believe in but really also letting americans know that it's good for the average americans if you have strong unions. no question about it if you look at the facts, you'll see folks in unions represented by unions earn on average $207 more a week than non-union members. everybody should share in that kind of prosperity. that's why we're under attack like never before.
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we're coming together we're coming together in our communities, organizing like never before one our unions and outside our unions to prepared. >> thank you both for your time tonight. we'll see you at the convention. thanks for watching i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. \s. reports tonight, hillary to announce po president this sunday. let's play "hardball." good evening. tonight "new york daily news" is reporting that hillary clinton will announce her candidates for this sunday a similar report was running earlier in the day on a business website "business insider." also t