look. there goes cars. >> he's over. he's over! >> tornadoes have been tearing through part of the midwest. >> it was huge and it was coming right for us. we have been seeing how it ended. today we finally got to see how it began. there are two mothers grieving tonight. >> i just want them to know i'm sorry that this happened. this has made a change in everybody's life. >> this has got to stop.

i'm a democrat considering a run for president of the united states. >> today lincoln chafee announced he is exploring a run for the 2016 democratic nomination for president. >> so we'll see down the road when the official decision will be made. >> the "new york daily news" is reporting that hillary clinton will announce her candidacy for the united states presidency this sunday. >> we know the headquarters. we know the team. do we know what kind of announcement she'll make? >> relatively low key announcement. >> they all have a better message that what we see from hillary clinton. >> oh, my god. >> people are ready for a change. don't need a third obama term. >> very often in our party there is an inevitable front-runner who remains inevitable right up until he or she is inevitable. i'm not the front runner that situation. i like where i'm at. >> how many times have you seen that? somebody's a front-runner until they're no long area front-runner. hillary clinton was a front-runner in 2008 and nobody believed other than mika and

she still lets me know about it that she would always be the front-runner. and then one day she stopped being the front-runner. she's playing catch up. rudy giuliani. >> he was the front-runner. >> for a year. >> he was president. >> that's right. >> and he got like three delegates to the convention or something like that. >> you are terrible. terrible designation, being the front-runner. i think you've got to do everything to shed that. >> it's like a cover of "sports illustrated." >> yeah. >> it really is. >> it is. i mean, you know and again, things will never change until of course they change. that may happen. we'll see what's going to happen. a lot of things going on. let's take it around the table and show you who is going to be with us. msnbc contributor mike barnicle. maybe the quote of the day, the quote of the morning. mike said give mike a shot. he turned to me right before the show started and said i don't even know whose coat this is.

what sewer did you wake up in? >> i went down. willie and i share an office downstairs downstairs. we have like muppet approximately coats in there. i went down and took a coat off the rack. i have no idea. it's not willie's. it's not mine. >> wears it so well. >> put out an alert, whoever owns this coat call us. >> it's mine now. >> we'll return it to its rightful owner. >> i know it's not a stain on it so it can't be barnicles. also we've got former communication director for president george w. bush and host of "the view" nicolle wallace. and associate editor of "the washington post," eugene robinson. research fellow at hoover and the director of domestic policy studies there at stanford university lonnie chen. in washington we've got senior political editor and white house correspondent for the "washington post," sam stein. with a very nice tidy jacket. >> which obviously belongs to him. >> he doesn't have class on

fridays until 11:00. >> wa-wa-wa. >> i don't know. it might be a jacket. let's begin this morning in the midwest where at least one person is dead after tornadoes tore through parts of illinois thursday. the pictures look how dramatic these pictures are. the damage extensive. this is one of the two twisters that touched down in northern illinois about 75 miles west of chicago. watch what happens next. >> look. debris. oh [ bleep ]. he's over. he's over. >> oh. >> go go! go! >> go is the operative word. the small town of fairdale was the hardest hit. tragically, 67-year-old woman was killed inside her home there. at least seven others were injured. officials say not one building in that community was spared by the tornado. here's what's left of a

restaurant in the nearby city of rochelle where 12 people were trapped in the basement. you can see first responders pulling them to safety. all were shaken but uninjured. >> when i looked out the window and i saw it and it was -- it was huge. you know it was huge and it was coming right for us. at that moment ava just grabbed me and -- ava is the owner. grabbed me and said, you know just get to the basement. >> let's go to the town where this tornado unfortunately rocked it the most. it's fairdale illinois as we said. let's talk to nbc's kevin tibbles. kevin, describe what you're seeing there. >> joe, i'm standing in front of what used to be a house here. there is not a house in this town that was left untouched by this massive twister that came through here late last evening. you know what was interesting about yesterday, joe, is that the oh we-- basically the entire northern and eastern half of the state of illinois were under a

tornado watch. everything remained quiet until evening and then things started to really unfold. as you mentioned, just down the road people were trapped in that steak restaurant. they had to be rest cued out of the basement. here in this town this is where the 67-year-old woman lost her life. first responders have been going door to door throughout the night hope that they don't find any other casualties. obviously it's a close-knit community. people here have been contacting family members, contacting the authorities to let them know that everyone is okay. and, of course when the sun finally does come up i think it's going to reveal a lot more damage perhaps a lot more similar damage than what i'm standing in front of right here talking to you now. >> all right. nbc's kevin tibbles, thank you so much. greatly appreciate your rornlts fg let's bring in nbc meteorologist bill karins. bill illinois -- we're used to oklahoma. we're used to nebraska. we're used to texas, kansas.

but sometimes some devastating tornadoes go in the midwest. i still remember company thatxena ohio. >> that was april, also. >> very bad last night for illinois. >> i want to give people perspective. we just saw kevin tibls in front of the the reccage. this is such a small little tiny picturesque midwest town. i want to show you what it looks like from google maps view. you zoom in here all of these houses are almost leveled. it's probably about 30 to 40 residences in that area. so it's a little small town. there's really hardly anything left of it. let me take you through what our concerns are for today. now, we still have a severe thunderstorm watch out. we're done with the tornado watches. we may get one or two tornadoes during the day today. i do not expect anything big and huge like what we had. we had a lot of bad weather out there still rolling towards knoxville.

atlanta, you probably have three or four hours before the thunderstorms roll through your area. do not expect any large tornadoes today. we could get some isolated tornadoes. maybe some weaker variety. the best chance of any of that happening would be through the carolinas, georgia, and down through the gulf coast. this includes augusta where the masters will be playing today. good chance they will have a weather delay as severe weather rolls through. the timing of all of this looks to be starting around 4:00. intensify. about 6:00 will be the peak. and then the storms will be weakening as we go throughout this evening. the good news -- the only good news out of this whole report joe, is that this storm system clears the coast this evening. the weekend for the entire east coast and midwest looks beautiful. it looks warm. even our friends in new england where it is snowing in maine once again this morning, they should be 60 by sunday. a lot of recovery. >> thank you so much bill karins. now let's go to that deadly shooting caught on camera in south carolina. a very emotional meeting. this is the video of feidin

santana who recorded the moments. scott's family came together yesterday. family and attorney say santana is a hero for the video. there's new video of the traffic stop that shows some of scott's final moments before being shot and killed. let's go to nbc's gabe gutierrez. he has more. >> reporter: the dash cam video shows officer slager approaching the car walter scott is driving. the two men talk. scott is missing some paperwork and officer slager returns to his squad car. >> you've got to stay in your car. >> reporter: less than a minute later scott gets out of his car and takes off running but the camera did not capture the fatal shooting leafing ingleaving unanswered questions. >> it's not going to be a dispositive game changer in

terms of finding out what really happened because we still have some time that's unaccounted for. >> reporter: north charleston police are facing tough questions about their actions after saturday's shooting. according to the incident report multiple officers witnessed other officers providing first aid. one describes applying pressure to the gunshot wounds. another assisted with first aid and cpr to the driver. a third reports seeing someone administering chest compression. in part of the krel phone video officers are seen attending to scott but he remains on his stomach and no chest compressions are seen. it's also unclear how soon that happened after the shooting because of a break in the recording. >> what i saw was a -- i believe to be a police officer removing the shirt of the individual and performing some type of life-saving -- but i'm not sure what took place there. >> reporter: feidin santana, the man who took the video, told lester he was surprised that medical attention took so long. >> maybe the cops the police

would have turned his face and all so he can breathe if he was alive. >> he remained facedown? >> he remained facedown yeah. >> officer slager is charged with murder and has not yet entered a plea. his mother spoke publicly for the first time. >> so as one mother to another mother, i can understand this. so i just -- i just want them to know i am sorry that this happened and that this has made a change in everybody's life. >> gene robinson you had that package saying it was not dispositive because we didn't have all that video. i think it was dispositive. a guy that was going away very slowly because he had been tasered. >> exactly. he's not even going fast. you could have walked and caught him. >> i don't know if you call that a run. >> no. >> he was in pain. >> no. and come on. he's going away and you shoot

him eight times. >> in the back. >> in the back. >> right. until he falls and dies. that's as dispositive as you get. >> i think so. let's turn now to the white house race. after flurry of reports that hillary clinton is going to be announcing her candidacy for the democratic nomination this weekend, the "new york daily news" is getting specific. they're citing a source close to her campaign saying the announcement will come sunday via video and social media. and they write in the "washington post," social media announcement fits with the smaller, more intimate campaign rollout she hopes to execute because, nicolle, when you think about the clinton campaign war machine, wouldn't you think small and intimate? >> it's what she did four years ago, too, or eight years ago, whenever. eight years ago. >> eight years ago. >> she did a video message on facebook. i think it came outen a sunday. i remember watching it. it's also not a new approach. i'm sure a fine one. >> during the read i notice you were shaking your head about the way this announcement was going to go down? >> to nicolle's point it was the

exact same thing as 2008. she was sitting on a couch saying let's have a conversation about -- i just don't -- why would you do the exact same thing over again when it didn't work out that well the first time. >> we talk about this a lot. everyone runs with the burdens. mccain had to run with the burden of immigration policy out of step with his base. her burden is the muscle memory of everything that went wrong last time. so repeating anything that is symbolically reminiscent of the failed run last time i think is a pitfall. >> maybe what you should do is just be what you are. you're a big political machine. you are the clinton machine. so just be it. don't pretend to be -- >> go stadium big. >> go stadium. >> why not. >> just do it. just do it. >> this is who we are. we're back. >> that's always been hillary's problem, which is anybody that knows hillary away from the campaign when she doesn't put

that campaign helmet on is really likable. i remember running against the clintons nonstop when i ran and, you know i met them and they said, what was bill like? he's bill. you know. and they said oh, hillary must be awful. i was like no i really like her. she is a good -- they're like but she's -- she's kind of a midwest methodist. i got bad news for you. she's progressive and all that but she really is. and every time she doesn't have that campaign helmet on i'm sorry. she's just as -- i'm not sorry. my republican friends. she's extraordinarily likable but she puts on that gear and she just stiffens up and she can't be who she is. >> so at this point, what would be wrong -- i assume a lot would be -- with her coming out in the morning and turning to the tv camera, by the way, i'm running for president of the united states and getting in the car and going on. >> if they really want to show her enganling with people in

iowa, new hampshire, i'm going to go to a couple of diners today, a couple of small ents and that's events and that's it. >> she also, sam, has to get real on her server admit she made a terrible mistake. if not because she did make a terrible mistake but because the polls are showing that. we make fun of the polls that are taken so far out. but this quinnipiac poll has rand paul beating her. you see her approval ratings dropping and it's all related to this e-mail server and everybody can go around saying it doesn't matter. it matters who voters outside of manhattan and georgetown. >> well, i think the e-mail server thing matters. i also steadfastly refuse to care about a poll this far out. a quinnipiac poll about colorado voters this far out. i do think the e-mail thing matters. at some point in time she will have to address it. i don't think it will be during

her campaign launch. it would be amazing if it was. getting up there and i erased my e-mails, get oef it. i think a lot of us are talking about the theatrics of what will happen reportedly this sunday. i tend to agree with everyone that if it seems like forced intimacy it's not going to work. and that was a problem for her but it's also sort of a problem for a lot of politicians which is how do you come off as someone who is just authentic when everything in politics is really calculated. only the really good politicians are very -- are good at that. and i think this is going to be a continuous problem for her and for other people. >> well, you know nicolle, one final thought on the front page here we have marco rubio. here let's get that. marco rubio talking about running against jeb bush. this is something marco rubio wouldn't do with jeb bush wasn't ahead. everyone is saying that jeb bush is inevitable. a lot of people is saying that jeb bush is not inevitable.

when hillary clinton starts losing to rand paul and mike huckabee starts drawing with her in iowa and suddenly other democrats are going, wait a second, she's not inevitable and she's carrying a lot of -- that's the only reason she's polls matter. they matter to contributors and they matter about the crowding out deal. if you're hillary and you have 20 or 30 you're crowding out the field. if you're losing in swing states that barack obama won, suddenly other democrats are saying i could do this. >> it also shows that it's not what happens to you ever. it's how you handle it. and i still maintain that it isn't the fact of the e-mails. it's the way she handled it that reminded everyone of all the things they disliked about the clintons. i think nobody is inevitable. i think it's just a curse. it's like that front-runner word. it's a terrible label to get slapped on to you to jab at hillary or any of them. speaking of hillary, coming up we have got a governor who says hillary clinton -- democratic governor -- or independent? >> he's independent, republican

democrat, he's a man for all seasons. >> he is a man for all seasons. >> like that jacket. >> it's that jacket talking. exactly. >> that could be his jacket. >> we've got inlincoln -- to follow up on the conversation not about barnicles jacket but about the fact that hillary's weakness might draw other democrats in. we have a man who says that hillary's vote in the iraq war disqualifies her for being president. we'll talk about that with lincoln chafee next. hey, girl. is it crazy that your soccer trophy is talking to you right now? it kinda is. it's as crazy as you not rolling over your old 401k. cue the horns... just harness the confidence it took you to win me and call td ameritrade's rollover consultants. they'll help with the hassle by guiding you through the whole process step by step. and they'll even call your old provider. it's easy. even she could do it. whatever, janet. for all the confidence you need td ameritrade. you got this.

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my guest tonight a republican senator representing the great state of rhode island. please welcome to the program senator lincoln chafee. senator. >> i'm running as an independent here in rode island. rhode island has a strong streak of independence. i decided to run as an independent. as the nation's only independent

governor i am here tonight to join with my democratic friends. >> i'm lincoln chafee and i am a democrat considering a run for president of the united states during the next weeks and months i look forward to sharing with you my thoughts about the future of our great country. thank you. >> there's a brief glimpse at lincoln chafee's career in politics. you just heard is exploring a run for the white house. lincoln, thank you so much for being with us. it's always great to see you. and this is exciting. tell us what's making you consider a run for presidency. >> well, first of all, it's a state our nation is in and i'm very concerned about where we're going internationally. and that affects our economy and obviously our security. and it just think we've made some mistakes particularly going back to the decision to invade iraq back in 2002.

and with hillary clinton being the lead candidate and voting for the iraq war authorization, even though it's a long time ago, it's affecting us today. the international issues and also where we're going domestically, growing the middle class and my record of service at the local level as a mayor, the state level as governor at the federal level as a senator, i believe i have a lot to offer. >> you know, people make mistakes. you're right, that was 12 years ago. the iraq vote aside, is hillary clinton -- is she fit to be president of the united states? do you think she's -- she's -- >> it was a huge mistake. >> yeah? >> yes. absolutely. and at that time we're just finishing with vietnam. the vietnam veterans were finishing with that whole trauma of vietnam and coming into a new century. the cold war had finished. the berlin wall had come down. soviet union broken up. great relations with china.

it was a moment in time we had to make good decisions and not jeopardize this peace that we had. this was one of the colossally poor decisions made in 2002. >> first of all, mr. chafee what do i call you, senator, governor, mr., linc? >> governor i guess, is the protocol. >> governor i don't think anyone here at table would argue with you that it was a mistake. this is a forward looking country. what do we do today in negotiations with iran? is it a good thing that we're doing? is it a bad thing that we're doing? should we stop and question what's been going on? should the senate have more of a role in this process? >> well, first of all, a lot of people want to put it in the rear view mirror. i think in campaigns you want to talk about decision making and judgment. and i don't want to put it in the rearview mirror. that was a moment in time that jeopardized everything that we're dealing with today. we talk about iran, i ask you do you think that decision to invade iraq has made the middle

east better? i don't. and so you can't put it in the rearview mirror. as far as run,iran, of course we should be talking with them. that's what we did in the cold war. talking with russia, talking with china and dealing with gorbachev gorbachev. >> this is gene robinson. how should we be dealing with isis? is president obama right to order air strikes? their poll is showing support for ground forces. would that be the right thing to do? how do we proceed? >> my view is that we have to do what we did in the cold war and build strong alliances. and that's how you deal with threats, containment worked during the cold war. go back to what worked and go -- we have to improve our relations with russia in particular. there's got to be one of the highest priorities. i know they're helping us with the iran deal but get them back on our side after the breakup of the berlin wall and gorbachev

and we're going in a good direction with russia. so that's something we have to work on. and so it's alliances and containment. that's what's worked in the past. >> but what about ukraine though with russia? >> well, with ukraine, that's a tug of war between russia and the eu. my view is get russia -- i mean if you look at a map of europe, i'll open any atlas and europe goes all of the way to the ouros. there's no reason to not bring russia towards the eu instead of fighting and ukraine being right in the middle of that tug of war and the eu. bring russia into the eu. >> part of russia is part of europe. >> governor, i know that you made the case on economic -- excuse me, on foreign policy. what's the differentiation you're going the draw with mrs. clinton on domestic issues and on economic policy issues where it sounds like you might be very much in the same place? >> yeah i assume there's going to be a lot of similarities we go into the campaign on domestic issues. on the economy, of course she's

been a little too close to wall street and that's senator warren's point. i have a strong record of voting against the bush tax cuts that favored the wealthy. every single bush tax cut even though as a republican i voted against them. i have a strong record of supporting the middle class. i think there's going to be a lot of similarities raising the minimum wage and all that support for pell grants support for head start, social programs that help build the middle class. i think we're going to be a lot of agreements. >> all right. governor lincoln chafee thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. looking forward to seeing you again sometime soon. and just reminder chris matthews is going to join us ahead in our 7:00 hour. and we also have bianna golodryga. "morning joe" back in a moment. there's some facts about seaworld we'd like you to know. we don't collect killer whales from the wild. and haven't for 35 years. with the hightest standard of animal care in the world, our whales are healthy.

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with us now news and finance anchor at yahoo! brianna golodryga. did i pronounce that right? >> yes. >> tentative nuclear dooel between iran and there five powers. the president of iran is threatening to the to sign any agreement unless all ank shups are removed that same day. lots of luck fella.

he says it must be quote, a win-win deal for all parties and by all parties he means iran. the country's supreme leader is speaking out for the first time since the deal was announce and he wants all sanctions lifted right away as well as the prohibited inspectors from touring military sites. really? are we supposed to go watch your soccer game against iraq? the ayatollah sent a tweet accusing the united states of lying and breaching promises. it has as a new nbc news online survey finds 70% of americans say it's unlikely iran will abide by the agreement. it's a major threat to the u.s. secretary of state john kerry is issuing a strong warning to iran for sending military support to shiite rebels in yemen. >> we're well aware of the support that iran has been giving to yemen. iran needs to recognize that the united states is not going to stand by while the region is

destabilized. what we've made clear to our friends and allies is we can do two things at the same time. we have an ability to understand that an iran with a nuclear weapon is a greater threat than an iran without one and at the same time we have an ability to be able to stand up to interference that is inappropriate or against international law or contrary to the region's stability and interest and those of our friends. >> mike, is this falling off the rails? >> no i don't think so. i think what happened yesterday in tehran is the ayatollah trying to move the negotiation is specific way, pushing back against the united states, trying to get a better deal on the timeline for sanctions relief. and we'll see how it goes. i think -- first of all, despite the poll numbers you just showed that are clearly accurate it's an extraordinary feat in my mind that we are where we are with regard -- with regard to these -- everybody figures there are five other countries onboard here. >> right. >> so six nations all together are in on this deal.

>> there are ten other countries fighting against iran in yemen who are also our friends and 58 lies. far better friends and allies than iran will ever be and they see us on the one hand coddling iran and trying to keep this crummy deal together while they're killing people in yemen. >> by the way, we haven't heard from these five other country, either. putin is welcoming leaders from greece in cypress and not hearing france who we know who was not into this deal to begin with and had to be coerced. we're not hearing these discussions in their country they're taking place here. i don't think it sits well with the americans when you hear him say what the ayatollah say what he did, especially going back to the theory as you were talking about, does this work more -- does the president want this more does president obama want this more than iran? >> the president not only wants this more than iran the president wants this more than our ally more than the french. >> the french have been very tough on this. >> rightfully so. >> but it doesn't sit very well

in berlin or london or. even paris to hear for example, tom cotton or scott walker saying you know this deal is dead the minute i take office. >> that's a tactic. but berlin and paris, they are not -- >> ayatollah is a tactic too, nicolle. it's obviously a tactic. >> a guy fighting with the white house talking point. it's not the same thing. >> it is the same thing. it's exactly the same thing. >> the french have a tougher policy against iran than the united states. that's very troubling. >> that's not true. absolutely not true. >> had there been no negotiation taken place thus far, would we be better off not talking? >> i don't think any republican is saying we shouldn't have talked to them but when the deal came out as it did -- >> it hasn't come out net, nicolle. >> i think the efforts to weaker the corker which is a lot of people felt was the powerful backstop, against a bad deal are cynical. >> i think it's easier said than done. this is what john kerry said,

that that they can differentiate between the two issues i think that's hard for the average person to comprehend. talking with the same people about two vastly different issues. >> we're not just talking about iran that has problems obviously with the president and the deal you have -- from the "wall street journal," corker's fickle friends on iran. this is my kimberly strasle. those democrats who have now gone wildly require prchlt corker to make a choice. tennessee chair has bent over backwards to keep many of them onboard. yet given the democratic default to protect president obama it appears that mr. corker's only path to 67 if that's even possible is to sow water down his bill to make it useless. the better rouse is to shoot for 60, send a principle bill to the president's desk and forge the commander in chief to veto a bad iran deal. force to choose between national security and party loyalty, democrats are choosing the latter. iran is the winner. i don't know that that's the deal, gene. a lot of democrats have stepped

forward and done things the white house prefer them not to do. >> absolutely. there are a lot of democrats who would be with corker if they thought this was a bad deal. if they didn't think this was a better deal or shaping up to be a better deal than they had expected. so, you know, let's look at that. >> i don't think that's -- >> a hard, hard -- >> it is true nicolle. >> the white house is trying to shame democrats into standing with them with what they -- >> boy, this just in. white house wants its own party to stand with it on an important issue. >> for the wrong reasons. that's the republican directive. there's nothing wrong with talking with iran -- why are you laughing? >> i'm not laughing. >> see, he's just smirking. >> it's the coat. he can't even -- >> it's the coat. >> let's go to sam stein in washington. sam, charles hammered in morning about another troubling aspect in iran nuclear proliferation that will obviously spread against a middle east if the shiite government and tehran will get a nuke.

>> that's the only point, not let them get the nuke. telling saudi arabia tepidly but still endorsed the framework of the deal because they obviously don't want to say tehran with a nuke. to get back to the previous conversation though, doesn't it seem like a lot of this is just ka kabooki theater? >> yes. >> there are hard liners in america what are going to hate this deal. people negotiating this deal in some respects need that because they don't want to go back to the negotiating tables before june and say, you know what everybody loves this deal in my country. let's keep it as is because it will just incentivize the other side to demand more concessions. we're seeing noise from both parties in these negotiations and a lot left to do in regard to hammering out the details in june. >> bianna stay with us if you will. coming up next, you think that good fences would make safe airports but a new troubling a.p. investigation shows alarming trends when it's comes to the security of the nation's

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really? >> it's your show. >> i'm just a humble servant. >> morning -- "morning mike"? >> everyone else has taken over. i'm a humble servant. all right. let's go to the next story. okay. this is something i've been worried about for a long time mike. i'm not even going to tell american what's you think about every time you're about to land because it's really dark and grim. >> that's not surprising. >> but not surprising. alarming new numbers for millions of americans who fly every day. get this. there were 286 perimeter security breaches at dozens of

the nation's busiest airports between january '04 and january '15. according to an investigation by the a.p. the real number of the breaches though nicolle, is probably a lot higher. so get your -- this story doesn't mean anything boy, it's out of here. two airports were missing data and four other major east coast airports refused to release any information at all. so nicolle that number is probably closer to 8. >> i am as scared as i can stand to be. >> not all the breaches -- >> let's not pay attention to this story. right. we're done paying attention. anyway let's go to the woman who co-wrote this investigative piece. joining us now from atlanta as she's national writer for the a.p. martha mendoza. martha, for seasoned airline fliers people like mike and myself who fly around all the

time. we have one or two distinct warnings. this is one of them that somebody breaches the perimeter and does something bad to the plane that's landing. talk about the investigation and also why you couldn't get some of the -- well, some of the numbers from the most important airports. >> so when about a year ago when a boy in san jose went over the fence across the tarmac and into the wheel well of an airplane and then he stowed away and they didn't know about this until he landed in hawaii and popped out of the wheel well. that had my colleague and i thinking how often does this happen that someone goes over the fence. seems like a straightforward answer bep asked the national transportation association and they said that's something you can't know. we went to the nation's busiest airports, 30 of them how often is someone going over your fence. of course we made legal requests and some airports had to push it but eventually the numbers started coming in. what we found is that people do go over the fence or bust

through the gates or go under the fence or throw something over the fence far more frequently than americans know. and i agree with nicolle, no act of terrorism has occurred. no terrorist has been caught going over a fence. but we also felt like people should know how frequently this actually occurs. >> martha can you define breach for news terms of what the airport thinks a breach is or what the a.p. thinks a breach is? what's a breach in airport security? >> we're talking about outside perimeter. the focus has been for years, since 9/11, the inside where we go through our metal detectors and we put our luggage through the screeners. but what we were looking at was the perimeter breaches and what we consider a breach is a person or an item getting into the secure airfield. >> okay. and every airfield i know anything about, i mean there are numerous numbers of people who are -- have access to like by the sides of the runways, entrance to the airport, you know union employees coming in

with deliveries food. i mean it's a tough job trying to secure an airport. >> well, the major airports that we looked at the 30 busiest, have fences that will go around them. most have razor wire or barbed wire. they have manned staff security gates. and anybody inside of that area is supposed to have a badge on. if they don't have a badge on the people with badges are supposed to ask them who they are and stop them. >> all right, martha thank you so much. very important report. we greatly appreciate you bringing it to us. cease-fire in place but that doesn't mean the fighting has stopped in eastern ukraine. in fact, pro-russian rebels are now threatening all out war. partners at vocativ are reporting from the front lines. we'll show you that frightening video when we return.

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ch. it's not just the middle east where militias are having a huge role for fights in ter reporter and power. armed groups are waging war in ukraine. our partners at vocativ are reporting from the front lines of that conflict where pro-russian separatists are tretenning to throw out the cease-fire which is being broken on a daily basis.

>> the world is an interesting place. it can fall off the headlines, ukraine, but the killing continues. >> i have long said that the iran deal and even bibi netanyahu's speech here in washington was the best thing to happen to putin because it deflected what was happening in the region, something that americans didn't really care much about from the get-to. putin for a man for a few years has been able of get away with whatever he wants. the sanctions don't appear to be enough to convince him otherwise. the ukrainians have been asking the u.s. as you saw for weapons, for a year now. some of the ballistics they were showing light right there are to antiquated. 50 years old. so this is something that americans don't seem to care much about and meantime putin is taking that to his advantage. >> yeah, you know lincoln chafee governor chafee, was

right about one thing, which is that foreign policy is going to be a significant issue in this coming election. the russian reset is something that hillary clinton is going to be held accountable for. she was the architect of that. it's fallen off the headlines a bit but it's still a significant issue and troubled part of the world. the fighting continues. our interest -- it's not clear to me that our interests are being well served in the region right now. >> killing, no one is talking about that. if that happened in the u.s. or any one of our allies that would still be a dominant headline. no repercussions there. that story has fallen off the headlines. the fact he was ability to release a critical report indicting putin in sending troops to the ukraine. >> yeah. the question is what does the re-reset look like though. that's the question. >> we're going to answer that next hour maybe. well, maybe not. >> maybe not. >> there's a tease. >> do i call you mr. chen? >> call me whatever you want to call me. >> thank you very much for coming by today. coming up at the top of the hour, how the race for 2016 threatens to turn political allies for more than a decade

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cars cars. >> there goes cars. >> he's over. he's over. >> tornadoes had been tearing through part of the midwest. >> it was huge and it was coming right for us. we have been seeing how it ended. today we finally got to see how it began. there are two mothers grieving tonight. >> i just want them to know i'm sorry that this happened. this has made a change in everybody's life. >> this has got to stop. i'm a democrat considering a run for president of the united states. >> today lincoln chafee announced he is exploring a run for the 2016 democratic nomination for president. >> so we'll see down the road when the official decision will be made. >> the new york"new york daily news" is report that hillary clinton will announce her candidacy for the united states presidency this sunday. >> we know the headquarters. we know the team. do we know what kind of announcement she'll make? >> this is going to be a relatively low key announcement. >> in the republican field, who do you like? >> they all have a better

message that what we see from hillary clinton. >> oh, my god. >> don't need a third obama term. >> very often in our party there is an i eftable front-runner who remains ineventable right up until he or she is not inevitable. i'm not the front runner that situation. i like where i'm at. >> welcome back to "morning joe." in this hour for joe and mika both headed to the greatest city in the world, philadelphia for mika's big "know your value" event. they're getting the pope in vili, the democrats, and joe and mika, what a town. we're going to play hard ball this morning, not really. i'm going to do it the way they do it "morning joe." here in washington huffington post sam stein directly across from me and moderator of "meet the press "chuck todd and in mork, mike barnicle former communications -- not former communications director with george w. bush. >> no i'm angry. >> nicolle wallace was. we have -- there she is. "the washington post" eugene

robinson, my pal. the news and finance anchor for yahoo! bianna golodryga. thank you forgetting up this evening even though you usually do it. we have a lot to get to this morning including the latest of the dash cam video release in south carolina. but we begin with the race for the white house. of course nbc news is confirmed what we had on "hard ball" last night the hillary clinton will announce for candidacy for president of the united states as early as sunday. that's a little interesting. that announcement is expected to be via social media with campaign stops beginning next week including to iowa. chuck, this pattern after all of this sort of alfred hitchcock intrigue, suspense will she run? several months back, okay she's running. to come out with a way that doesn't expose her to the press. it's done on video. is that the new thing and go to this listing thing so we could be weeks before she gets the treatment that rand paul got

from savannah guthrie this week. in other words, real questioning. >> and also when is she going to answer the why. >> the why question. >> exactly. it doesn't appear it's going to be now. you've got to go a roll out that the candidate is comfortable with. she's not the big speech type of candidate. you know that's not who she is. the most comfortable she was at launching a campaign was new york senate. you look at the two launches she had. the one for new york senate and the one for the presidential race they didn't know how to launch the presidential campaign. they struggled in it. the book tour didn't go well. what went well for her? the new york senate race. that's what they're trying to create with. they're not going to call it a listening tour because it will get mocked in social media but same style. smaller events. she's more comfortable. she's not a big rally type of candidate. you're going to see a slow build and then the why speech will take place in about a month. >> was the why answered yet?

>> you assume she's answered the why question on her own or she wouldn't be doing this. she'll share the why i think in the next -- >> personal one. >> let's be clear. mike barnicle the tabernacle of every politician is the motive, which is basic human ambition. you want to make it to the top of what you do. roosevelt was ambitious, lincoln was ambitious, certainly fdr and bill clinton. everybody is ambitious. that's the primary reason you run for president. she's particulars are the things you write out for the public right? >> chris, before we get to some very insightful answers offen that question, we have an issue to raise with you on behalf of all the people at this table. you said thanks for getting up this morning. we've been here since 6:00 a.m. chris. >> 4:00 a.m. 5:00 a.m. >> i understand what has happened that i have been plumped from the anchor chair because i don't know whose coat i'm wearing. >> were you up toer that? did you hear this chris? mike walked into his office and

put that coat on. >> the call you -- thanking people. >> worse, people like to be thanked. i was trying to be generous. you could have haul taken french leave when joe and mick can went to philly. i didn't know that. gene can you weigh in on this hillary approach? i think it makes sense because i think the language of politics always changing and you want to get back into the way people are talking. back in the conversation you can't just jump in. i think she wants to go in slowly. >> yeah. i'm not sure it matters so much how she does it. i think it does matter though that she gets fairly quickly to the why. i think that's a big question that people have is why is hillary clinton running for president? what's she going to do for me? what's her big reason for run for president? and that may be kind of artificial, it may just be ambition at the base but people want to hear that she's got an

idea and a plan and something she stands for and represents other than just plain ambition and i think she's got to express that. >> chris, you're a student of the theater of politics as is you know both sam and chuck there with you. let me ask you about this possibility. what would happen, do you think, to hillary clinton's image, terrible word but her image if she went to iowa or went to new hampshire and was having lunch in a diner in manchester or des moines with a group of people and they were talking like ordinary people talk and she just turned and apologized to them for all the cameras being around and said something like you know i know why they're here, why they follow me because i think i'd like to tell you people i am now officially going to run for president of the united states. just do it like that. just slow down and, by the way, i'll have lemon meringue pie. >> you think that would be -- you think that would come across as real? >> she's done the big stage.

she's done the -- here's the tape of me trying to pretend i'm friendly and i know you. that doesn't work with her. >> well, you know who did it the best was -- i know this is odd to say, but nicolle, your guy, w. he went into a diner one time and he sees a family. young family with i think one son and two sisters. he says, hey, guy, what's it like to be surrounded by these girls and be the only dude here? that is how you connect. >> but the thing with him, you bring up a good point, when the cameras left he carried on with the family. i think that's one of their -- obviously both very different politicians. but i want to know from you guys sitting there, does hillary clinton have more urgent business to do to repair her relationship and standing with the media or with the democratic base? >> that's a question, right? >> i'm curious. is there more -- >> all right. go ahead. >> is there more urgent message on sunday to bring you guys back into the fold or is it to communicate to the democratic

base. >> what's the biggest challenge? book tour she had a very tough -- >> the campaign folks seem intent on trying to start a new relationship. look, she is never going to be comfortable with the press. i always look at it and you look at what is her experience with the press. in her mind it's never been good. what is her experience with congress? in her mind it's never been good. so i don't think it's about -- i don't think she cares about that aspect per se but i want to go back to the announcement speech because, you know i understand what they're doing and i understand why you do what the candidate is comfortable doing and she's new york and the new york senate example was a good -- it worked for her and that was different circumstances and there were different set of expectations. but i tell you, the big announcement speech is something you get once, you get a free shot. it's the -- look at -- paul did it well on day one. obviously had some day two

stumbles. >> i think it helped. >> you know it probably did in the primary. but my point is, you don't get a second chance like that first big -- >> you think -- >> i do. >> it's like coming off the convention. >> you do because it's a free shot. it's great media and also you have to understand that's probably one of your biggest fund-raising days of the entire sickle. you have to have everything ready to -- the one problem that hillary has, i think, is that everyone assumes that she's the super politico person and everything is stage crafted and everything is you know ran out to the t and the is. if you do a launch that looks too manufactured that looks too stage crafted, it sort of gets you back to that point which is that people think she's incredibly manipulative about the whole thing. i see what the tension is. as to nicolle's point about democrats distrusting her, that might matter more in a ris where there was a viable democratic candidate who people in the party really liked but elizabeth warren is not running at this juncture. >> i think the democratic party

is overwhelmingly for hillary. it's the media that may be a problem. bianna, the republicans? >> on the republican side of the race a dozen potential candidates will a tend this weekend's nra annual convention in nashville. ted cruz and also invited jeb bush, senator marco rubio and rick santorum who just set up a testing the waters account. governor chris christie and rand paul are not invited. the nra says they couldn't accommodate everyone but paul says the group is being, quote, petty because he is a member of two other gun rights groups. the kentucky senator is also facing criticism from mike huckabee for his heated enter this week with nbc's savannah guthrie. >> when you're run for president all is fair in love and war. this is war. this is the big leagues. you're going to have to expect that you're going to have a lot of fast balls that are going to be aimed right at your nose and how you handle them as part of the process. it's part of the game, if you will. so any question is fair it's

how you handle it. it's like the pitcher can throw what he wants. the question is can you either put it in the third deck or do you rush the mound and take the pitcher on? >> what is he the, umpire? this is a rival player being allowed to come on and offer up criticism of a guy he's trying to beat sam. >> basically. >> it's a joke. swarmy there. let me help him out there. >> as mike huckabee -- >> i want to go back to chuck. two ways with announcing. one with rumble and excitement. a lot of fighting with neutral people like savannah guthrie. hillary had that kind of experience with her book tour. terry gross went after her. diane sawyer it wasn't like the right wing. and that was -- that wasn't good. i think -- it's all -- >> part of it is and what you talk to some people around the clinton campaign they'll tell you, look she needs to get into campaign shape. >> that's what i think. >> so that is another reason to do it the way they're doing it.

again, i understand what they're doing. i'm just -- what i'm saying is they're not going to -- you only get one shot at the -- i mean look at -- look at -- hold on. look at that announcement of obama eight years ago. >> it's different for republican candidates. >> totally frank. >> no, i'vebeen lying the entire time. >> i've been earnest, not frank. >> for senator paul though he wants to have a contentious relationship with the media. it serves him well for his base who thinks they're all out to get him. >> liberals. >> yes. serves to his benefit. for clinton, when terry gross was questioning her on gay marriage and she couldn't answer that question that expoeed fundamental weaknesses for her. it's different for rand paul. intramural battle in florida. >> yeah, they are two likely presidential candidates who have shared a relationship so close for more than a decade that some say they are almost family. >> many of us were here today serving the legislature grew up politically in the era of jeb bush which was an era of

politics where you heard that the purpose of public service was to make a difference, not to be somebody but to do something. >> it's nice to see a young man who is passionate about these foundational beliefs and marco rubio speaks better than anybody i've ever met about these things. he has fired up so many people to get involved. and i'm proud to know you, my friend. go goat them. >> senator marco rubio is expected launlg of a white house bid next week is threatening to turn him and former florida governor and mentor jeb bush into rivals. "the new york times" reports the relationship goes all of the way back to 1998 when bush donated $50 to rubio's campaign for city commissioner. bush was there when rubio became florida's house speaker in 2005 giving him the sword of change a myth call conservative warrior. and bush was with rubio on election night in 2010 when results came in for rubio's senate campaign. bush declined to run in that race and rubio admitted he would not have challenged bush if he had.

the times reports there has been minimal conversation between the two recently. bush reportedly called rubio in december to say he was considering run for president and aides say rubio will call bush before he announces his campaign. run rubio supporter painted the contest for the past versus the future but a bush supporter says it's like a nephew challenging the uncle. >> marco is close to the entire bush family. i went to literacy night with him down in texas with barbara bush and so he's close to the extended bush family. and you know i think you look at the way primaries play out. sometimes you end up as running mates, sometimes you end up as key surrogates. so i don't think that this is going to end in a way that defies any of our -- anything any of us has ever seen before. but i think it will certainly create a lot of drama. there are advisers for each of them, i believe todd harris is work for marco. at every level these two groups are very closely connected.

they also both hail from florida, they have a lot of the same backers, same donors. so it is going to be an interesting element in the republican primary. you know chuck, this need for a rational do you think it's really important? >> absolutely. and by the way, when you don't have a rational you don't become president. >> yeah. >> every successful presidential candidate, this is why i go back to the announcement. i hate to harp on it. look at winning presidential candidates and win their announcement speeches in in 2007 hillary clinton never announced. she never gave a speech. >> they tend to come out of the reality the couldn't tr i isntry right now. >> read obama's announcement speech you would recognize it today. read george bush's announcement speech, you would recognize his presidency presidency. it is what you do. >> don't you have to pivot off of what you have? you run against the incumbent if he's the other party or she's

the other party but if you're the same party it has to be something like a very nuance thing like george sr. when he ran on kinder gentler, not the mikial dukakis but kinder gentler than ronald reagan. >> that's a tough question. obviously on the domestic agenda she's got to say, okay we've made some progress. we have ways to go. focus in on the working family issues that she has talked about in the past. on the for roaneeign policy that's where they split. she has hawkish roots. i'm not sure where she breaks with obama says i do things differently foreign and abroad. i would have done this decision differently. i think her biggest problem is not what she's going to do because it doesn't excite people, she wants to present herself as someone who can manage a job better than anyone else. i'm not sure that's something you can put into a speech. >> i think her toughest challenge is to pivot off of elizabeth warren. she has to either go with free trade with the president on tpp,

she's a new yorker or if she doesn't. if she goes with the unions on both fronts that will seem more like yeah, yeah, yeah, the old democratic line push the buttons. if she goes with reform on trade or on education she seems like a modern person. but she'll take on the unions if i'm inclipned to think she won't take them on. you have to make a decision. >> hillary rodham and her roots are progressive be you the bill clinton part of it it would be a free trader. >> and that's the question will she be bill clinton center left or chase after warren. my advice be yourself. i think she's center left. i think. if you go chasing after elizabeth warren pretending to be her i don't think you come off as successful. anyway, now let's go to that deadly shooting with bianna in south carolina. >> caught on camera in south carolina, very emotional meeting. this is video of feidin santana, the witness who recorded walter scott's final moments and scott's family coming together

yesterday. it comes as scott's family prepares to say their farewell at a funeral tomorrow. there's new video of the traffic stop showing some of scott's final moments before being shot and killed. joining us now from north carolina -- knotnorth charleston south carolina gabe gutierrez. >> reporter: this dash cam footage fills in the gaps of what led to this deadly shooting but certainly not all. it does not show the actual struggle. meanwhile, state investigators are saying they were suspicious of this deadly shooting from the very beginning. this morning dramatic new dash cam video from the patrol car of officer michael slager showing the traffic stop last saturday moments before he shot walter scott. >> the reason for the stop is your third brake light is out. >> oh. >> officer slager asked scott for his license, registration and insurance card. >> i don't have the registration. >> reporter: scott tells slager

he just bought the car from his neighbor. >> you don't have any paperwork in the glove box? >> no. >> no renlg station in there, no insurance? will. >> reporter: officer slager walks back to his patrol car. then about 30 seconds later scott bolts from his car. the next time we see scott he's running from officer slager who fires eight times, killing him. in a written statement late thursday the head of the state agency investigating the shooting said we believed early on that there was something not right. the cellphone video shot by a bystander confirmed our initial suspicions. officer slager's mother says she hasn't watched the video of saturday's shooting and doesn't know if she ever will. but she's apologizing to the scott family. >> i just want them to know i'm sorry that this happened. >> reporter: and remembering better times her son sgroeing up in medford, new jersey where he graduated high school and began his career in the coast guard. >> he's not a bad person. >> reporter: two families now torn apart.

>> i miss his phone calls. he would call his mom every day. >> i know their family is grieving. our family is grieving. i would hate for this to happen to anybody. >> reporter: karen sharp says she has not seen her son since the incident. he remains in jail charged with murder. has not yet entered a plea. a big question right now, why did scott run from the car? his family had previously said that he may have been trying to avoid jail time because he had been arrested for owing back child support before. but chris, right now we just don't know. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez. thank you. chuck todd, what do you have planned for sunday's "meese the press"? >> going out to las vegas tomorrow to interview rand paul. whale have that monday. we have secretary of state john kerry. why are you running for president john kerry. and then we're going to have a person who ran hillary clinton's

very successful campaign for an elective office who also happens to be mayor of new york city now, bill de blasio. talk about hillary's challenges with the progressive left and how she'll navigate. it's an interesting show. >> great guests. >> how is she going to do it with the progressives. still ahead on "morning joe," mark lef vich has something interesting and thoughts and predictions about hillary clinton. we need predictions. mark joins us next to explain all that. plus ari just sat down with martin o'malley in iowa why the former governor is taking shots not at only hillary clinton but his entire party. we'll be right back.

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this morning president obama is prepare for historic meeting with cuban president raul castro. they will come face to face at

this weekend's sumt summit of americas in panama. it's the first time both looeds will be in attendance. joining us now from panama city senior white house correspondent chris jansing. chris, what do we hope to get? what does the united states hope to get from the meeting of these two leaders, president obama, and one of the castro brothers, rather historic meeting. what do we hope to get out of it? >> yeah, i think it's hugely symbolically important. first of all, right? we're going to be looking for that photo-op. it really is sort of indicative of the whole obama policy. he came into office saying he wanted to show the power of diplomacy. so when we see the two of them together it will be the first or planned meeting we've seen between the leaders of those two countries since 1958. beyond that at least for those of us on the outside it's going to be a little bit of reading the tea leaves. is it a short meeting? is it going to be something that goes on a little longer? how do the two of them seem to

get along? sort of the groundwork was laid for this last night. john kerry met with cuba's foreign minister that in and of itself was the first meeting between two leaders or rather two officials of those countries. the highest level meeting we've seen in 50 years. but they really do want to have that symbolism and lay the groundwork for what they want to do going ahead which is the normalization of relations that will, we believe, go in the next couple of days to a big c change in what's happened between the u.s. and cuba. mike? >> chris, this is gene robinson. there had been a hope that perhaps the two presidents would actually announce the opening of the mutual opening of embassies at this meeting and that they were shooting for that. is there any chance of that? >> i don't think that it's going to happen here because what they have to do first you know sort of there's this process which they have to be aen off the list as state sponsors of terror and

that probably is going to happen over the next couple of days but just logistically i think it will probably be sometime in the next couple of months that they will open those embassies. that process is ongoing, those meetings have been going on. and then eventually down the road they will be looking out for congress to lift the embargo embargo. this is going to be the process. they did, as you know gene talk about when the president announced this back in december the hope that they could open the embassies by the time this meeting happened. but it just didn't happen. >> kind of amazing that it's taken this long for these two countries to begin somewhat of an accord. chris jansing thanks very much. appreciate now back to "morning chris" in washington, d.c. >> thank you very much mike barnicle. let's turn rapidly to the change in the rapidly changing 2016 presidential field. joining us right now is new york cohost of msnbc "the psycho" who just referred to martin oh

o'malley. here in washington mark leibovich. mark, you have some thoughts about hillary clinton which is fascinating to me because she has the -- i think it's going to be like a roulette table jeks year. red and blue equal chance. it's going to be a 50/50 election in the end. i don't know how we get there. it's going to end up a close election. your thoughts? >> i think it probably will. historically after two-term presidency that's what you get. i think with hillary clinton i mean, it's a known entity. i think the red obviously you're going to see who the republicans nominate. but hillary clinton like every suck susful politician is polarizing. that's what i wrote about this week. you're going to get very voong views on her in both directions and it will be interesting to see how she goes about this. >> is there anything she can do to erase this polarizing tag that's been put on her by the right and other people as well? >> i think it's a stupid tag. i think the tag -- again, there is not a -- >> more than one person said it's sexist. remember that list that came out

last week? >> i think actually -- i wrote that this week and i got in big trouble with people who make that list, i guess at least on social media, so it must be true right? no. look, there's nothing she can do about it. i think it's bogus. what's she supposed to do? go to a ted cruz rally and a guy is saying hillary clinton is polarizing. you're self pole rising by being a part of this environment and being in the media in this environment. >> everybody goes to battle stations. evenry time there's a dinner party people argue about hillary clinton. you can predict what everybody is going to say. >> i think there's a misconception. a i think a lot of people have mixed views of her. one of the reasons democrats are not excited because they have a mixed view of her. maybe there's a big center in the center right that is not that angry about her and could probably hold their noses -- >> i'm glad you have a lot of space in the magazine because you can do mixed opinions. >> i do. >> like in the real democratic party like the rank and file they are excited for her.

i think there's a huge gap between the corridor and here talking with progressive activists who all have our e-mail addresses and tell us all the time about how many questions they have about hillary clinton and then actual democrats who you see who are very -- you see her ratings with democrats in iowa in new hampshire. she's very popular with democrats, more popular, more popular than she was eight years ago. i just wonder -- i just think that there is a little bit word out -- we're in the bubble and have this -- >> you say two things, chuck. you've said she's very popular and yet she has to develop a rational for a campaign. people are like her, why confuse them. if they already know why they like her why say to some other cause here? >> she's got to win the general election. >> okay. let's go to ari me bern. >> thanks, chris. i was in des moines yesterday talking to governor martin o'malley from maryland who is going around testing the presidential waters.

you talk there about what hillary clinton has to do and whether there's enthusiasm or questioning remaining in iowa. governor o'malley say people want at least a race. he worked for gary hart in 1984. i asked him about this dynasty question in american politics. here's what he had to say. >> are there too many dynasties in american politics right now? >> look i think the presidency is not a crown to be passed back and forth between two families. it is a sacred trust to be earned and exercised on behalf of the people of our country. it's supposed to be a contest of ideas and opportunity for candidates to earn the trust from the people whose government it actually is. >> do you think that's a hurdle then for the bushes and the clintons and the pauls specifically? >> i don't know. i think that the way it's supposed to work is if you feel that you can lead a country

forward and you have the ideas and experience to do it you offer. and then once you offer, it's up to the people to decide. but it's -- i don't believe that it's a hereditary right. >> did you get a sense when you were out with governor o'malley in iowa that there was a lot of interest in the presidential campaign that we are now forced to pay attention to? >> i don't think there was front and center interest from average citizens but, again, it's not average citizens as we know who caucused, that is a demanding process. i remember from working with iowa caucuses. i think the people out there in the democratic party, tonight in polk county, governor o'malley and former senator jim webb are speaking. there is interest in seeing what kind of kochtician therecompetition there is. i don't think that has to be defined as antipathy towards hillary clinton but what a wide open race would be like the same way like republicans would like to hear from rand paul and ted cruz and jeb bush aren't all

antichris christie. >> how much are o'malley and the other hillary candidates students of the obama strategy basically toppling her in his first run? >> governor o'malley was very specific to that point yesterday saying look there's often inevitable candidates, so-called inevitable candidates up to the point they are not inevitable. it's the people who go out county to county to make their case. we have one other clip to play to that argument as well. he thinks economic populism, a lot about what elizabeth warren has been pushing in that party and to be fair marco rubio and talking about rage inequality and income inequality. he thinks that is a message resonating. pe ing resonating. he said at one point there is no misconceptions about me. nobody knows who i am. here's that other part of ore interview. >> do you think the obama administration has come up short on regulating wall street? >> i think our democratic party has come up short.

people expected us to actually put some common sense regulations in place. i mean there are more repercussions for a person being a chronic speeding violator in our country than there is for a big bank being a chronic violator of fcc rules. and moving toer forward as a party we need to appoint people to the attorney general's office to the fcc that rk a allre actually going to enforce the rules and be a deterrent to the reckless behavior that wiped out millions of jobs and millions of homes and put our economy into the worst recession we've seen in years. >> we're going to see your full interview with martin o'malley today on "the cycle" at 3:00 p.m. american. we'll look for your article on "the new york times" magazine. that's the big glossy thing. >> i love it. behind the scenes. coming up this is important now, the iranian nuclear deal unraveling before it gets off the ground? this is interesting. supreme leader over there said

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capitulating to the west the u.s. demand. i don't think we can read into much into this at this point. i think what we must look at and what's important is recently some very high-profile hard liners have spoken out in support of the nuclear agreement. we know two things by this. that first of all, they would thot have done this if the supreme leader wasn't in support of a nuclear deal. and also this tells us thatfy concessions that the iranians have made will be making would have been approved by senior hard line officials. >> so this is real? >> i think so. >> here's the question. p the last time they had a statement from the hard liners over there they had to do this fiddle, we'll keep the structures up but change what goes on inside them. they had to meet the letter of the law. will the final deal here have to meet the letter of the law that this guy just laid down? in other words, we're going to release all the sanctions or will it be on the day of implementation or the day of the signing? >> it does have to be still worked out.

sanctions was one of the things that was planned from the agreement from the june 30th, so still has to be worked out. timing has to be worked out. i think there three important things here. first of all, generally the hard liners in iran have been faurly new to publicly criticizing the deal. secondly that the supreme leader actually came out from the shadows to make these statements basically he's taking ownership of the final deal which is important. and thirdly, within iran itself mostly important thing he said yesterday was that if there is a nuclear deal then iran could cooperate with the united states on other issues. which is something that he had always ruled out in the past. and this actually is a positive response to something president obama has been saying namely the nuclear deal could be an opening to cooperation on other issues. >> do you believe that's true? >> well, like all politicians, it has to be tested and practiced but it's very important that he's taking a public position. he said something yesterday that he hasn't said before.

>> there's an old belief in diplomacy i think churchill championed it that you have to begin with one deal whether it's the limited test band treaty in '63 with the soviet union by the united states you begin with one deal and that leads to more deals. do you believe that? are you optimistic if we can get a deal here by june with the iranian ayatollah that that can lead to a greater relationship? >> yes, i mean i think both sides have been very clear that at the moment this is simply about a nuclear deal. it doesn't mean that. of course it could lead to it. i think what's weren't important is that to see that sanctions really haven't worked sanctions put in place to curb iran's nuclear problem have not worked. before sanctions iran had only a few hundred centrifuges. now they have 22,000. before sanctions they had only a few hundred kilograms of stockpiled enriched uranium, now they have 9,000.

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tomorrow it's going to say muslim bombs or muslim kills. it's bad for me either way. >> yes. who is that guy? do you know who that guy was? >> the guy that we just saw? >> yeah. >> who was that guy? i don't know. >> i don't know. pretty funny. >> i never met that guy. completely foreign to me. >> surprise. i had no idea you were on this show. made my morning. >> i had no idea i was on the show. >> they drag you out. >> you're on the show. >> here he is. senior "daily show," a look at his brand new web series. >> oh. >> are we going to show a clip? >> oh, i thought you had a clip. >> successful public figure isn't about changing who you are. >> i know that but wendy said if i read this speech about protecting the schools from

sharia law i a shoo-in. >> who is protecting schools from sharia law? >> no one but a vote for bobby and it will stay that way. >> do you know what sharia law is? >> here's the thing. i don't. but i do know that it tests through the roof if you say you're against it. >> do you write this whole thing? >> myself and a gentleman by the name of miles conn producer of "the daily show" wrote it together. it was based on a piece that we did on "the daily show" in 2011. >> how hard is it to be funny given your background and the way people react to the word muslim unfortunately in this country? >> yeah. i mean, you know, it's not hard to be funny because, you know i don't walk around thinking like, you know i'm a muslim. i don't think i'm allowed to be funny. i think it's other people. look, the word muslim, the reason we made this web series is because we wanted to take a shot at some of these -- a lot

of this misinformation and fearmongering and stuff that happens around muslims. >> that's sharia law scene happened in the state of tennessee, right? they were like passing laws. >> passing laws against sharia because, you know and they couch it as sort of like you know religious -- like no foreign laws. think in alabama, i did a piece on it in alabama where they passed a thing that says no foreign laws to exclude sharia even though sharia law could never happen in america, by the way, because we have something called the constitution. >> exactly, right. >> that includes christian law as well, by the way, because jesus was not american. just want to let everyone know that. >> that doesn't stop some politicians from saying there are such things as no go zones. i went to minneapolis and waubd around somali muslim community and they were baffled. first of all, their next door neighbor was a jewish man who owned a comedy shop. they said that the police were never allowed into this area.

i saw police everywhere. but, you know what a politician says resonates with a lot of people. >> look i think since 2011 this conversation about muslims and islam and all this stuff has been hijacked by politicians, by the media, you know. >> go back even further though. even since 2001 some of these things have become difficult -- >> that's what i meant. 2001. not since 2011. 2001. feels like it was yesterday. but since then i think it's been -- i think after september 11th americans were saying you know, why, why did this happen what happened? who are these muslim people that we've never heard of before? you know and then now the answer has been given and it's basically like you should be afraid. you should be very afraid. >> so how great is the resource pool that you have for comedic material given the way politicians and others react? >> right. well, i mean this is what we do on "the daily show" all the time and have been doing now for a long time.

when we created this web series "halal in the family," it's called "halal in thefamily." it's a homage to "all in the family." what they did back then take on a lot of these social and political issues of the time. >> groundbreaking at the time. >> yeah. and now we're trying to do that same thing around islam phobia racism bigotry and a parody very funny and make people laugh. >> absolutely. >> our last best hope. right? >> i hope not. i hope not, but, all right. >> great stuff. "halal in the family," great stuff on funny or die dotcom right now. thanks very much for dropping by. we love you, you're great. much more "morning joe" right ahead.

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chris matthews from all of us here to you we want to thank you for getting up early this morning, for helping us out today. what's coming up tonight on "hardball"? >> we're going to give warm-ups that wrote that story, hillary's announcing sunday him, and hillary's announcement obviously. this is a big question. do you go out with a lot of a

fastball, your best pitch or smooth around and feel the people and listen to the people and wait until you get your bearings back and i think bill clinton would have come out there selling. if you're selling a book mike you get out and sell it. you don't go out and put a video out. she doesn't want the excitement factor and i want to know why she doesn't want excitement. chuck asked a big question. you only get a shot at this, and a convention. why doesn't she want the excite? >> is she too familiar with too many people? we'll find out that. thank you, buddy. >> thank you. and tornadoes rip apart an entire town. live to the hardest-hit area. bill karins tells us where the storms are headed next. pluses latest from south carolina where new dashcam video sheds a light on what happened moments before a police officer shot and killed an unarmed man. and major action ahead of the 2016 democratic primary. former rhode island governor

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right for us. >> get in the car! we have been seeing how it ended. today we finally got to see how it began. >> there are two mothers grieving tonight. >> i just want them to know i'm sorry that this happened. this has made a change in everybody's life. >> this has got to stop. >> i'm a democrat considering a run for president of the united states. >> today lincoln chafee announced he is exploring a run for the 2016 democratic nomination for president. so we'll see down the road when the official decision will be made. >> the "new york daily news" reports hillary clinton will announce her candidacy for the united states presidency this sunday. >> we know the headquarters, the team, what kind of announcement she'll make? >> low key. >> in the republican field who do you like? >> a better message than hillary clinton. every one will run strong. >> that's not an answer. >> often in our party there is an inevitable front-runner who remains inevitable right up

until he or she is no longer inevitable. >> i'm not the front-runner in that situation. i likes where i'm at. >> how many times have you seen that? you know? somebody's a front-runner until they're no longer a front-runner. hillary clinton was a front-runner in 2008 and nobody believed, other than mika and she still let's me know about it, she would always be the front-runner, and then one day, she stopped being the front-runner and playing catch-up and we've seen it time and time -- rudy. rudy giuliani. >> he was the front-runner. >> the president. >> he was president. >> for a year. >> that's right, and he got like three delegates to the convention or something like that. >> terrible designation, being the front-runner. i think you've got to do everything to shed that because -- >> it's like the cover of "sports illustrated." >> it really is. >> it is. i mean you know again things will never change until, of course -- >> they change. >> yes. and that may happen. we'll see what's going to happen. a lot of things going on. let's take it around the table

and show you who's going to be with us this morning. msnbc contributor mike barnicle maybe the quote of the day. the quote of the morning, where mike said let's get a mike shot. mike said, turned to me right before the show started. he said i don't even know whose coat this is. [ laughter ] >> what sewer did you wake up in? >> i went down. willie and i share an office downstairs you know. we have multiple coats. i went down took a coat off the rack. i have no idea. it's not willie's. not mine. i don't know who's it is. >> put out an alert? whoever owns this coat call us? >> well the mine now. >> and we'll return it to its rightful owner. >> there's not a stain on it. >> you're democrats. [ laughter ] >> also we got former communication director for president george w. bush and the host of "the view" nicolle wallace and associate ed editor of "the washington post," eugene, and the director of

domestic policy studies there at stanford university, loni chenny chen and white house correspondent for the huffington post sam stein. with a very nice tidy jacket which -- >> obviously belongs to him. >> he doesn't have class on fridays until 11:00. so -- >> well -- >> i don't know. it might be a show jacket. anyway, let's begin this morning in the midwest where at least one person is dead after tornadoes tore through parts of illinois thursday, and the pictures, look how dramatic these pictures are. the damage, extensive. one of the two twisters that touched down in northern illinois about 75 miles west of chicago. watch what happens next. >> look at it. debris. oh [ bleep ] -- he's over he's over. oh that one.

>> go -- go -- go. >> yeah, go is the operative word. the small town of fairdale hardest hit. tragically a 67-year-old woman killed inside her home and seven other at least injured. officials say not one building in that community was spared by the tornado. and here's what's left of a restaurant in the nearby city of rochelle where 12 people were trapped in the basement. you can see first responders pulling them to safety. all were shaken but uninjured. >> when i looked out the windows and saw, it was huge. it was huge and coming right for us, and at that moment ava grabbed me and ava's the ownerance grabbed me and said just get to the basement. >> let's go to the town where this tornado unfortunately hit the most fairville, illinois as we said. talk to nbc's kevin tibbles. kevin, describe what you're seeing there. >> reporter: well joe, i'm standing in front of what used

to be a house here. you mentioned earlier, there is not a house in this town that was left untouched by this this massive twister that came through here late last evening. you know what was interesting about yesterday, joe, was that the, basically the entire northeastern and western half of the state of illinois were under a tornado watch. everything remained rather quiet until the late evening and then things started to really unfold. as you mentions just down the road people were trapped in that steak restaurant had to be rescued out of the restaurant. near this town this is where the 67-year-old woman lost her life. first responders going door to door throughout the note hoping they don't find oh casualties. obviously it's a close-knit community. people contacting family members, contacting authorities to let them know everything is okay and, of course when the sun finally does come up i think it's going to reveal a lot more damage. perhaps a lot more similar damage than what i'm standing in

front of right here talking to you now. >> all right. nbc's kevin tibbles. thank you so much. we greatly appreciate your report. bring in nbc meteorologist bill karins to take a look at what today might hold and, bill of course illinois sounds -- were you -- oklahoma we're used to nebraska. used to texas. kansas. but sometimes some devastating tornadoes go in the midwest. i still remember xenia, ohio completely wiped the town off the map. >> that was april, also. >> yeah. years ago. very bad last night for illinois. >> yeah. i want to give people perspective. just saw kevin tibbles sitting in front of all this wreckage. this is such a small, tiny picturesque-type town. from google maps obviously before destroyed. in the middle of these farmers fields. zoom in and all of these houses you know almost leveled. it's probably about 30 to 40 residences in that area. so it's a little small town and really hardly anything left of

it. let me take you through what our concerns are for today. now, we still have a severe thunderstorm. watch out, done with tornado watches, maybe one or two tornadoes during the day today. i do not expect anything big and huge like we had. a lot of bad weather out there rolling towards knoxville. atlanta probably have about three or four hours before the thunderstorms roll through your area. again, i do not expect any large tornadoes today. we could get isolated tornadoes, maybe some weaker variety. the best chance through the carolinas, through georgia and down through the gulf coast, and this does include augusta. of course, where the masters is playing today. good chance of a weather delay as the storm rolls through late this afternoon through this evening. the times looks to start around 4:00, intenseifyntensify. about 6:00 the peak and the storms weakening going throughout this evening. the good news the only good news i really have out of this whole report joe, this storm system clears the coast this evening. the weekend for the entire east coast and the midwest for that

matter looks beautiful. it looks warm. even our friends in new england where it snowing in maine once again this morning, they should be 60 by sunday. so a lot of recovery. >> thank you so much bill karins. greatly appreciate. that deadly shooting caught on camera in south carolina and a very emotional meeting pcht. the video of feidin santana, we say the hero recorded scott's final moments and scott's family came together yesterday. the family and its attorney say santana is a hero for recording the video which led officials to charge michael slager with murder and there's new video of the traffic stop that shows some the scott's final moments before being shot and killed. go to nbc's gabe gutierrez we more. >> reporter: the dashcam video shows officer slager approaching the car walter scott is driving. >> can i see your license and insurance card? >> reporter: the two men talk. >> your brake light is out. >> reporter: scott is missing paperwork and officer slager

returns to his squad car. >> stay in the car. >> reporter: less than a minute later, scott gets out of his car and takes off running. but the camera did not capture the fatal shooting leaving unanswered questions about what led to the deadly confrontation. >> it's not going to be a dispositive game-changer finding out what really happened because we still have time unaccounted for. >> reporter: north charleston police are facing tough questions about their actions after saturday's shooting. according to the incident report, moult poll officers witnessed other officers providing first aid. one describes applying pressure to the gunshot wounds another assisted with first-aid and krf r to the drive cpr and another saw chest compression. scott remain on his stomach and no chest compressions scene and unclear how soon that happened amp the shooting because of a break in the recorder. >> what i saw was, i believe, to

be a police officer removing the shirt of the individual. and performing some type of life-saving -- but i'm not sure what took place there. >> reporter: feidin santana, the man who took the video told lester he was surprised medical attention took so long. >> i thought maybe the cops would turn his face so he can breathe if he was alive. >> he remained face-down? >> yes. >> reporter: officer slager is charged with murder and not yet entered a plea. his mother spoke publicly for the first time. >> as one mother to another mother i can understand this. so i just -- i just want them to know i am sorry that this happened, and that that this has made a change in everybody's life. >> reporter: >> gene robinson, the professor in the package saying it was dispositive because we didn't

have all the video. i this it was positive. a guy going away slowly because he was tasered. >> exactly. not going fast. you could have walked and caught him. >> i don't know if you can call that a run. he was in pain. he wasn't easternven -- >> no. and going away and you shoot him eight times in the back. >> in the back. >> right. until he falls and dies. that's just as dispositive as you get. >> turn now to the white house race. after a flurry of reports hillary clinton will announce her candidacy in the presidency the announcement comes sunday via video and social immediate yad and writes in "the washington post," a social media announcement fits with a smaller more intimate campaign she hopes to roll out. you think about the clinton war machine, would you think small? >> it's what she did four years ago, too, or eight years ago.

whenever? eight years ago. >> eight years ago. >> did a video message on facebook. came out on a sunday. also not a new approach but -- i'm sure a fine one. >> during the read lonnie i noticed you were shaking your head the way the announcement would go down? >> to nicholin anicole's point. sit on a couch. why did the same thing over again when it didn't work out well for you the first time? >> we talk about this a lot. everyone runs with the burden. mccain ran with a burden of immigration out of step with his base. her burden is the muscle memory of everything that went wrong last time. so repeating naganything that is symbolically rem nifk of the last time is i think a pit faalfall. >> maybe be what you are. you're a big political machine. the clinton machine.

just be it. don't pretend to be something else. >> and go stadium big. >> go stadium. just do it. just, you know -- >> a lot of -- >> deal with it america. >> this is who we are. we're back. >> that's always been hillary's problem which is anybody that knows hillary, away from the campaign you know when she doesn't put the campaign helmet on, is really likable. i remember running against the clintons nonstop when i ran, and you know i met them and they said what was bill like? i said he's bill. he's -- you know. and said oh hilry must be awful. no. i really like her. >> she's terrific. they like -- she's a rat? i said, she's kind of a midwest plethd methodist. i got bad news progressive and she really is and every time she doesn't have that campaign helmet on, i'm sorry. she's just one of the -- i'm not sorry. my republican friends, she's extraordinarily likable. but she puts on that gear and she just stiffens up and can't

be who she is. >> so at this point, what would be wrong i assume a lot, with her coming out getting into the car turning on the tv and saying, by the way, i'm running for president of the united states? >> if they want to show her engaging with people have her in iowa new hampshire, go to a couple diners a couple small events, that's t. and also sam, got to get real on her server. just does. she has to admit she made a terrible mistake. if not because she did make a terrible mistake but because right now the polls show that. we always make fun of these polls that are taken so far out, but this quinnipiac poll has rand paul beating her in colorado. you see approval ratings dropping, all related to this e-mail server and everybody can go, doesn't matter doesn't matter. it matters to voters outside of manhattan and georgetown. >> well i think the e-mail

server thing matters and i also steadfastly refuse to care about a poll this far out, a quinnipiac poll about voters this far out but i do think the e-mail thing matters and at some point in time she's going to have to address it. i don't think it's going to be during her campaign launch. amazing if it was. just getting up there being like and i erased my e-mails. get over it. but you know i think a lot of us are talking about sort of theatric what's will happen reportedly this sunday. i tend to agree with everyone that you know if it seems like forced intimacy it's not going to work and that was a problem for her, but it's also sort of a problem for a lot of politicians which is how do you come off at someone who's just authentic when everything in politics is calculated? only the really good politicians are good at that and this is going to be a continue os problem for her and for other people. >> you know nicole one final thought on the front page here we have marco rubio.

>> uh-huh. >> here. let's get that. marco rubio talking about running against jeb bush. this is something marco rubio would never do if jeb bush were 20 or 30 points ahead and everybody saying, jeb bush is inevitable. and now, you know a lot of people saying jeb bush is mot inevitable. hillary clinton, when she start losing to rand paul and mike huckabee start strawing with her in iowa. other democrats going, wait a second. she's not inevitable and carryingcarry ing a lot of bag -- that's the only reason these polls matter. to contributors and the whole crowding out deal's in you're hillary up 20 or 30 you're crowding the field. losing in swing states barack obama won, other democrats saying, i could do this. >> it also shows that it's not what happens to you ever. it's how you handle it and i still main thain it isn't the fact of the e-mails. it's the way she handled it. that reminded everyone of all the things they disliked about the clintons and i think, you know nobody is inevitable.

i think it's just a curse. like the front-runner word. it's a terrible label slapped on to you to jeb or hillary or any of them. an actress calls 911 to report a home intruder sounds like another hollywood action flick, but sandra bullock's call to police was real. very real. we'll play you the sound straight ahead. plus we see the clintons in all sorts of different ways but never quite like this. ♪ two for one ♪ i will get things done ♪ i will have some fun ♪ have some fun ♪ watch as i prevail ♪ checking my e-mail. >> coming up the new play "clinton the musical." two clintons. one william jefferson the president, the other, billy, the bad side of him. we'll tell you that. much more you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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with us now from providence rhode island former governor lincoln chafee is exploring a run for the white house. lincoln, thank you so much for being with us. it's always great to see you, and this is exciting. tell us what's making you consider a run for the presidency? >> first of all, it's the state that our nation is in. and i'm very concerned about where we're going internationally. and that affects our economy and obviously our security. and i just think we've made some mistakes particularly going back to the decision to invade iraq back in 2002 and with hillary clinton being the lead candidate

and voting for the iraq war authorization, even though it's a long time ago, it's affecting us today. so the international issues and also where we're going domestically growing the middle class and my record of service at the local level as a mayor and the state level as a governor, at the federal level as a senator. >> right. >> i believe i have a lot to offer. >> people make mistakes. you're right. that was 12 years ago. the iraq vote aside, is hillary clinton is she fit to be president of the united states? do you think she's, she's -- >> it was a huge mistake. >> yeah? >> yes. absolutely. and at that time we were just finishing with vietnam. the vietnam veterans were finishing with that whole trauma of vietnam and coming into a new century. the cold war had finished. the berlin wall had come down. the soviet union broken up great relations with china. a moment in time we had to make good decisions and not jeopardize this peace that we

had, and this was one of the colossally poor decisions made in 2002. >> so first of all, mr. chafee what do i call you? senator, governor mister link? >> mister is fine. link too. >> it is in the rearview mirror this is a forward-looking country. what do we do today in negotiations with iran? is it a good thing we're doing, a bad thing we're doing? stop and question what's been going on? should the senate have more of a role in this process? >> well first of all, a lot people want to put it in the rearview mirror, and i just -- i think in campaigns you want to talk about decision-making and judgment, and i don't want to put it in the rearview mirror. that was a moment in time that jeopardized everything we're dealing with today and talking about iran. i mean i ask you, do you think that decision to invade iraq has made the middle east better? i don't. and so you can't put it in the

rearview mirror. as far as iran of course we should be talking with them. that's what we did right during the cold war. talking with china. talking with russia. ping-pong teams going back and forth in china and dealing with gorbachev. that's the right way to make peace. >> governor chafee gene robinson. so how should we be dealing with isis? is president obama right to order air strikes on their polls showing support for ground forces? would that be the right thing to do? how do we proceed? >> my view is that we have to do what we did in the cold war and build strong alliances. and that's how you deal with threats, containment worked during the cold war. go back to what worked and we have to improve our relations with russia in particular. that's got to be one of the highest priorities. they're helping with the iran deal. continue to work with russia get them back on our side after the breakup of the berlin wall and gorbachev and going in a

good direction with russia. that's something we have to work on. so it's alliances and containment. that's what's worked in the past. >> still ahead on "morning joe," why amazon may be a step closer to delivering their books by drones. i don't like it. >> i love it. >> it makes me nervous. who needs a drone? you're in new york city. you can get it in like an hour. >> that's true out in the hinterlands, drones are nice. >> you get it in a day. >> adrone would be nice. >> dollgolly. >> drones make mistakes. >> anyway the show michelle caruso-cabrera will join us and the place to find monica lewinsky and two bill clintons. we'll explain that when we come back. keep it right here on "morning joe." if your purse is starting to look more like a tissue box... you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin®. because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. zyrtec®. muddle no more™ .

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and i just can't hide it ♪ i'm about to lose control and i think i like it ♪ oh, yeah ♪ >> i don't any i'll ever be able to watch "game of thrones" the same. michelle caruso-cabrera joining us cnbc correspondent. what can you tell us about ge's massive sell-off really all of its real estate portfolio? >> not just real estate. announced sinced leaks last night a massive restructuring of general electric which our audience should know used to be the former parent company of the network you're watching. a lot of the hosts might have exposure to the stock, but bottom line, they're going to get rid of a lot of their financial division. there have been a lot of pressure other than the company to do that because it was felt too risky. once they sell that off a big pile of cash. what will they do with that? buy back stock. reduce supply. when you reduce supply hopefully what happens the price goes up. all seen as a move to get the

stock price moving again. a real laggard for years but a huge move for a very large american corporation. the other big news is the apple watch went on sale at midnight. i hoe you logged in and tried to get it because now they are nearly completely sold out. even though the analysts say that maybe apple at the beginning had production levels fairly low to see which would be the most popular models. right now if you try to buy a watch online or at the store you have to wait until july perhaps to get it. the other story we're watching within technology as well is amazon has gotten an exemption from the faa to actually do testing for their drones. right now you can't use a drone for commercial use in the united states. the faa wants to come up with a set of rules and regulations, really investigate what's going on, but amazon wants to do research using drones for delivery and in fact are going to be allowed to do that based on this exemption from the faa i. cannot imagine that. >> what can go wrong?

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her breathing heavy as she called 911. >> in my bedroom and i blocked it and i'm locked in the closet now. >> reporter: police sas the suspect joshua corbet broke into the actress' house last june. >> he's at the door. >> in your bedroom. >> reporter: bulis wasl bullock was alone at home. her son not there at that moment. finally, 15 minutes after bullock first dialed 911, officers arrived. >> okay. >> reporter: corbet now faces several charges including stalking and burglary. during a pretrial hearing thursday a detective read from letters corbet wrote to bullock, letters he was carrying when arrested. >> i love you. you're very special to me. without you in my life there is -- only misery. i've waited and waited and you never come.

>> reporter: corbet has pleaded not guilty. his attorneys say he's a troubled young man who needs help. >> he in his mind thought he was married to sandra bullock. delusion's as it is that's what he thought. what he wasn't there for was to hurt her. >> reporter: the judge ordered he must stand trial. >> you think of me. how you have my back. >> reporter: in the case that features an oscar-winning actress who faced a real-life drama. >> i remember when this happened last year and it was frightening enough but when you hear the actual the call that she made and the fear in her voice, you see how serious this could really be. >> it's really frightening and it's a reminder of what kind of exposure people who are in the public eye like that have. and what can happen. that's really really frightening. >> and luckily she wasn't harmed. >> luckily she wasn't. >> and her son wasn't there either. still ahead on "morning joe," it's just in time for hillary clinton's launch of her second white house bid, as soon as this sunday the hilarious new musical about the clinton

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have some fun ♪ watch as i prevail watch me get some tail ♪ checking my e-mail ♪ >> oh my lord! >> oh my gosh. that was -- >> whoa! >> wow. >> whoa. >> you need a cigarette. >> that is hilarious. >> a scene from "clinton: the musical." a new offbroad way show. joining us co-stars kerry butler and judy gold. >> did i not stop you in the hallway. i'm in the show even though i'm not in the clip. publicist, you're fired. >> just found somebody on the street that actually liked the show and brought them in. we don't know what she does but -- >> right. i just love theater. you know? love going to shows. >> you know what? mika i got -- so there are two things now you have to put on your calendar. >> okay. i'm going to that. >> number one, got to go see "clinton" the musical. >> yes. i'm going to this meeting, please. >> ask you explain? >> the publicist will tell me

why talk about the weight watchers and not the show? you don't need weight watchers and wrote that book. i don't want to hear about your relationship with food when you look like that. okay? >> i gotcha. >> i have to wear bicycle shorts under my dress so my legs don't touch. it's me suzy essman, joy haar-of-essman-of-joy behar. >> i want to weigh in. >> you're perfect. >> talk about the play. >> it looks absolutely hilarious. >> yes. so it's about the clintons. >> that's a good thing, given the title and everything. >> and we have two guys playing clinton, because our writer paul hodge did all of this research and in every book it said how clinton, everybody talks about he has two personalities. >> you get william jefferson. >> and you get billy. >> billy, yes. >> there i am!

that's me at linda tripp. >> she's linda tripp. >> oh my got. do some linda tripp. >> oh, hi honey. >> and eleanor roosevelt. >> range, baby. hillary clinton soon going to announce she's running for something. timing's pretty good here. >> yeah yeah. it's exciting and i actually volunteered for her campaign when i was younger. >> no? >> when you were younger. >> it was 2008. >> no. when she was younger. >> it was her senate wasn't -- >> oh it was when? oh all right. >> senate. >> so long ago. i know. >> the clintons also very tough on certain republican too. >> yes, yes. even-handed. >> i have to say all of my republican friends, not that i have that many but republicans and democrats alike love this show, because it -- it's very bipartisan. but it's also, you know you think about theater. theater is about creating these great stories, and this story is really a phenomenal story. and there are two bill clintons

but there's two of all of us. you know? >> yes. >> and it's about showing that -- i feel like it's a new take on hillary, a new take on -- >> an angry white male. that's all we got. >> and newt gingrich. >> yes. >> and so newt's in this too? >> newt kenneth. the whole -- >> mike. >> let me pull a few threads from the story line. in the play which are the two bills, if one or the other, do you like the most? hillary? >> well, hillary has to love both of them but there's one side she wants gone. >> yeah but you end up -- that side ends up you know -- >> don't give it away. >> oh my god. >> what are you doing? >> all i have to say is eleanor and linda are just -- i mean -- go -- just to see that. >> it's true. it's true. >> i believe it. >> so, kerry, what an idea. i mean the creators of this obviously. >> the creator is australian. >> oh my god. >> yeah. and so him and his brother on car trips used to write musicals in the back seat of their car.

and -- >> only one is gay. isn't that -- yes. >> really? >> right. one married to a woman with kids basically. >> isn't that something? >> i'm speechless. >> i think -- >> i'm still thinking of -- no. thinking about that weight watchers meeting. i'm going to be there. >> you're not weighing in. all right. >> how did you do linda tripp? >> well i -- oh you want me to do her? >> yeah more more. >> okay. >> oddly monica. i'll be monica. >> hi, honey how are you? >> nothing is going on. >> so what are you doing this afternoon? >> oh nothing. nothing. not going to see anyone? you work really well. >> have you seen bill? have you seen him. >> bill who? >> if they only knew monica if they only knew. what's going on? >> talk about something going on with me. i wouldn't want anybody to know. >> hello. how long have i known -- you know you can trust me. of course. >> you promise you won't tell anyone. >> of course not.

no. i'm a woman. i understand. listen, i want you to go -- i just want you to be successful. i really do. what's going on? >> wants what's best for you. turn from linda tripp to obviously eleanor roosevelt. completely different voice. you, obviously, hillary would like krystal ball or something and try to -- crystal ball or something? >> she would do that and i was very -- very good to you. i think i really helped you a lot. i didn't really need you to run for president, but other than that you really did change the rule of the first lady. >> yes, yes. hillary chose a lot of inspiration from eleanor roosevelt. >> oh, yes. you do. i mean i do. do you want me to do my quote? which one. okay, this is a real quote from eleanor. a woman is like a tea bag. you can't foresee how strong she'll be until you put her in

hot water. >> i like it. >> oh, god. [ laughter ] love that quote. >> that is just enough. just enough. stop it. [ laughter ] >> tea bastion. >> so did my girlfriend. [ laughter ] >> i don't know what to say. >> we've got to go. >> we're going. we're going. >> can i tell you how much i love you and watch you guys every morning? ask harry. i mean i turn on -- all i did, talk about "morning joe." >> in a dress room together. talking about it. >> she's such a slob. we're both slobs. perfect. >> okay. who do you like on the show? the "morning joe"? >> i watch everyone. i love barnicle. i already told him i love him. two-of- you two. the chemistry. differing opinions yet you have chemistry. >> "clinton: the musical." >> peanut butter and chocolate. >> just threw up in my mouth. at the new world stages.

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for several seconds and then exhale. nicely, beautiful place. jamaica's gorgeous. speaking of obama the president discussed the upcoming election saying that hillary clinton is going to do great as a presidential candidate. when asked how biden would do obama said hillary is going to do great. right when asked about hillary's candidacy, barack obama b said if she's her wonderful self i'm sure she'll do great. and added if she's her other self, watch out. nasty. you know this group draft biden 2016? yeah. draft biden 2016. they started selling bumper stickers that say, i'm ridin' with biden. this is real. take a look at sticker. that's the sticker. this is a lot better than the other one that women around the white house have started using, i'm hidin' from biden. [ applause ] joining us now the

president of aflac -- i can't have it. >> got to ask a question. >> can i say it like that? >> just got to ask him a question? >> what? >> so when you guys go up and tell people where you work do they all do the duck thing to you? >> absolutely. every time. >> aflac. >> can't help themselves. >> and it's not aall annoying? >> it's not? >> we've got theresa white with us. >> and the executive vice president general counsel of aflac. tell us exactly beyond the duck and the building of the brand how this business has grown and also how women have played a role in that? >> certainly. the business has grown over the years especially here in the u.s. and quite frankly we have 67% of our employees that are women. >> wow. >> and women play a huge role and quite frankly it starts from the top, there are times when as a woman you don't truly feel like that people see your value. >> uh-huh. >> and what we've seen at aflac

is, we've made that a part of the culture. we made people -- not just women but men as well but value being a part of the culture and diversity. >> 67% of the employees, women. >> that's amazing. >> yes. >> when did that -- culture starts somewhere. >> absolutely. >> when did this start at aflac? >> i'd say several decades ago. yes. >> the company is celebrating our 60th year this year. and several decades ago there was a focus on building a culture that was representative and a population representative of the country, and the area that we live in and so there's diversity woven throughout the organization. my first time attending dan amos, our ceo's staff meeting i was floored by the people around the table. >> why? >> because there were people of color. there were asian. there were women. it did not look like the typical staff meeting of the typical ceo. >> talk about the career success

center? >> absolutely. well, that i'm so proud of the career success center because you know as you may imagine, we get a lot of people who want to be mentored. mostly women. who want to understand how to get to the next level. and it's very difficult, as an individual, to be able to do that. one on one. so what i wanted to do was pull together a career success center that allowed people to go in receive counseling from someone who -- and the facility is on our site. you can schedule an appointment. you go in. you bring your resume. if you don't have a resume we help you to write a resume. >> wow. >> we talk about what it takes to move to that next level. we have really candid conversations. >> at all levels? >> at all levels. >> and you are somebody that you say you grew up in what was generously called affordable housing. >> that's right. >> and you understood what it would take to get to the next

level, and now you're using your success to teach others? >> absolutely. one of the things i always remember is, wanting to know you know what does success look like for me? what i've realized is success looks very different for you. looks very different for you. and especially in reading your book it really was one of those things where you said you know everyone has to assess what they want in their careers, in their lives, and once they do that assessment then the career success center can help them to get there. >> but you got to get there and you've got to find the words what we talk about in this book and i think, you know what i found in the response to this is that the message was so universal to all women. >> absolutely. >> successful women have made it despite these challenges and women who haven't made it yet still have these challenges. it's very universal. but for african-american women i think the challenges are compounded. is that fair to say? >> i would agree with that. >> i would as well and mika i

have never seen -- and i see it as fortunate -- growth in people people you know people are strong because they have gone through something. and even looking at the journey, you know talk about me coming from, you know my mother a single parent. >> right. >> raising us. it's a journey, and in the journey there are a lot of things to learn, and what i liked about the read was that you were able to look back at yourself and re-assess what did i do right? and what didn't i do right? >> in the book you also talk about sometimes women are roughest -- to other women. >> yes. i think the times are changing with that. >> i agree. >> absolutely. >> we like each other. >> that is -- >> the value. >> we mentor and coach each other. >> we do. >> it wasn't like that 20 or 30 years ago or even the past decade. i have seen a sea change. >> mika mentors and coaches me and i'm wise enough not to mentor back. i keep my mouth shut.

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