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>> when running for president all is fair in love and ware. this is war. >> when you play the game you win. or you die. there is no middle ground. >> the speculation is over. hillary clinton is officially announcing her run for president again. according to sources close to her campaign the former secretary of state plans to launch her campaign on sunday with a individual message on twitter. clinton will be the first democratic presidential candidate to declare a 2016 bid. after her announcement she will reportedly head to iowa and then on to new hampshire. in both states she is expected to schedule a series of small-scale events. according to the "washington post" democratic advisors say the go slow go small strategy plays to her strengths allowing her to meet voters in intimate settings. ahead of the big announcement clinton has released a new epilog for her memoir "hard choices." becoming a grandmother has made

me think deeply about the responsibility we share as stewards of the world we inherit and will one day pass on. rather than make me want to slow down, it has spurred me to speed up. as clinton speeds up other democrats, former maryland governor o'malley and former rhode island governor chaffe appear to be entering the ring and they are not necessarily pulling punches. >> i think the presidency is not a crown to be passed back and forth between two families. it is a sacred trust to be earned and exercised on behalf of the people of our country. i don't believe that it's a hereditary right. >> we've made some mistakes particularly going back to the decision to invade iraq back in 2002. and with hillary clinton being the lead candidate and voting for the iraq war authorization, even though it's a long time ago, it's affecting us today. >> although clinton's campaign announcement may be go slow go small, the "new york times" reports her finance team and outside groups have already started collecting checks in

what is expected to be a $2.5 billion effort. that is more money raised than president obama and governor romney in 2012 combined. joining me now is nbc news political director and moderator of "meet the press" chuck todd. it's always good to see you. especially on big game days like today. let's first talk about go slow, go small. as a strategy. obviously there are potential rewards. there are also potential risks. first reed points this out, the risk is where's the message. i wonder how much of a concern that is at this point? >> look this is a very good process idea when you think about the candidate you're dealing with. hillary clinton. this has been made clear to me by people around her. this is how she wants to go slow, get the campaign up and running, frankly get her own campaign sea legs. and to essentially recreate what she believes was her most successful political campaign which was her first one, the one

for the u.s. senate seat in new york that became known as the listening tour of new york. so that's essentially what she's planning here in the first stop in iowa next week where it will be, you know, almost singularly focused house by house type of things. no gymnasiums no big events. i think the risk is this goes slow approach which is okay but once you're in you're in are you going wish you had done the big, this is why i'm running speech from the start? because when you do it from the start you get this sort of free 48-hour period to launch your message. >> chuck, we know the candidate is the same and as you point out, she's obviously dictating the shots especially in the early phase. she has brought in obama advisers from joel benston, a host of others and i guess i wonder how much you think they can change the mechanics of this campaign? >> well i think mechanic wise they can change it a lot.

when you look at it and a guy like robbie mach even though on the hillary campaign in 2008 many ways he got -- he spent a lot of time getting to know some of the obama folks, mechanically when he ran terry mcauliffe's race i think on the mechanics and putting the other organization and building a state by state infrastructure i do think that's where these folks are going to make the difference. ultimately this is about the candidate, right and what she's comfortable doing and what she's going to do. and i think that that's why you can do all -- you can tinker on process and they're doing that. the question is does she have the rationale for why she -- why her, why this moment why her, why now, you know, last time it was sort of a die nastic answer. i'm in. i'm in to win type of thing. that's not enough this time. >> let me bring in senior adviser for the ready for hillary super pac tracy.

to chuck's point does hillary know why she's running for president this time around? >> i'm quite sure she does. >> do you know why? could you explain it to us? >> what i know is her lifetime record of all the fights that she's waged on behalf of women and girls and middle-s class families and all of those things she's done whether as first lady or in the white house or as a senator, there's really a record here and i'm certain that she would just be building on that in a way that is perhaps newly emphatic. it's very exciting. >> i guess i take issue with the semi circular logic, she's going forward, to revisit what she's done before. do you -- >> she's continuing what she's done. that's the way i would look at it. it's a continuance. >> in terms of the take away about what issues she would like to continue the work on i mean from your understanding, what are those? >> well again, i can't speak

for the campaign that doesn't yet exist as you know. i think she's spoken a lot and very emphatically about economic opportunities and the types of structural change she believes needs to happen in this country. that's a message that's resonate in every corner and ready for hillary, we've been in every corner and heard the enthusiasm for her message, the notion of economic opportunities and tackling inequality and building a middle class and all of these things that, again, she's been doing and fighting for and believes in. >> chuck, to tracy's point, economic opportunities and strengthening the middle class, that is as message that i don't think republicans candidates would take issue with. it comes down to specifics. hillary is, you know, we know that martin o'malley and lincoln chaffe may be throwing their hats in the ring. i wonder if you think they can

help her hone that message or will force her to own that message down to specifics about the deficit, social safety net programs, what she would do in terms of reform on any of those? >> well look i feel like we did get a little bit of a hand to what i think we're going to hear from secretary clinton a lot over the next few days and a taste of what the messages will look like how she's going to sound future oriented. read the epilog of her book it spends time talking about what it's like to be a grand mother and using the birth of charlotte, chelsea's daughter as sort of her rejuvenation of why she wants to be in publics service and talk about the future. and i think that's going to sound fine in the first few days, but to go to your point in talking to folks around secretary clinton, there is an anticipation that she does get a couple of at least shall we say decent enough candidates like the washington general's word of the harlem globetrotter's back in the day that do sort of allow her to exercise her debate

chops. i've had plenty say the last thing she needs is to go totally unchallenged and fall flat after you face a republican nominee who will have gone through the, you know, gone through the gauntlet of primaries and opponents and be very sharp on their toes she needs primarily opponents to keep sharp, i think. >> chuck points out the notation publicly and repeatedly about the grandmother status. bill clinton has been saying he's been talking about his age as well saying i've told hillary i don't think i'm good at campaigning anymore because i'm not mad at anybody. em a grandfather and i got to see my granddaughter last night and i can't be mad. the mentioning of the grandchild you know shows you a different side of the clintons. it reinforces a family narrative, warmth and intimacy that is certainly, certain to be an integral part of the message. i wonder for younger voters who may feel a bit beleaguered by the options on hand which could be clinton/bush, the

reinforcement of a grandparent narrative do you think that excites younger voters? do you think that is all an issue in terms of getting folks to the polls, young people in particular? >> i really enjoyed reading that epilog and i didn't do it through any sort of lens about grandparenting specifically but about who hillary is as a person and the emotional context of all of that. i found it quite moving and if, in fact, she's going to be doing these smaller events and what have you, i'm sure there are a lot of people in my home state of iowa just, for example, who would love to talk about grandparenting and challenges a around that because it does speak to larger issues right. grand parents who take care of their children's children and opportunities for retirement savings and i think we have to be careful to not say grandparents as if it's just this soft cuddly thing but grand parenting in this country is

actually an interesting social and political idea as well. >> chuck, before we go the money is overwhelming $2.5 billion. is a lot of money. and i guess do you think -- i mean what do we make of that cash drop that that figure is being tossed about before the campaigns have begun in earnest? what does that portend for american politics? >> the money thing is going nuts okay i use the stat all the time in 2000 bush and gore combined spent approximately i think $150 million on their general election in the last three months of the campaign. this is bush and gore in 2000. the word got out about that campaign. romney and obama collectively did $2.5 billion. what we're talking about here i think particularly let's say it's clinton and bush i think they could combine to raise and spend 4 to $5 billion, but there is a point of how much money is enough? how much money is too much? where do we get to the point of

sat fururation and starts turning voters off? there is a -- you never have too much money i guess, but there is a point where it could start turning folks off. >> and i would have to say to chuck's point that again, with ready for hillary, we've had over 50 5 5,000 people -- 55,000 people write checks for 20.16, so the big money is huge but i hope that she's at an advantage to have that i guess small money, all over the country. >> nbc's chuck todd and ready for hillary's tracy sefl and watch chuck on "meet the press" on sunday mornings on nbc this sunday. chuck sits down with presidential candidate rand paul, sure to be an awesome show. after the break, bush cruz walker rubio, santorum even donald trump are speaking at the nra convention today. why rand paul and chris christie were left off the invite list. we will introduce you to voters who say they're riding with

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right at this very moment a who's who of would-be republican presidential candidates are gathered in nashville, tennessee, to talk about guns. today marks the leadership forum of the national rifle association. the conference features bleeding zombie targets, bras with concealed holsters and, quote, nine acres of guns. but so far, much of the focus has been on a topic other than

the second amendment. first to speak was wisconsin governor scott walker. >> former secretary of state hillary clinton actually gave russia a re-set button. think about that a re-set button. i don't know about all of you but in america where my children are going to grow up i want a commander in chief who will look the people in the eye and say radical islamic terrorism is a threat. >> then rick perry who entered the room to this video of himself shooting an assault rifle. >> 2016 will not be an election about lofty rhetoric but it's going to be about a record of leadership. it's going to be a show me don't tell me election. it might surprise a few of you, but i've been thinking about 2016 a little. >> just moments ago the man who signed florida's stand your ground legislation into law former governor of the sunshine state, jeb bush. >> it's the liberal progressive

world view of barack obama and hillary clinton and eric holder and all the other people who want to take the guns out of the hands of the good guys and the hands of the law abiding citizens. >> joining me now is washington bureau chief of mother jones, david corn and former speechwriter for george b. bush. david corn still chuckling to himself. the rick perry sound? >> rick perry not wanting to run on lofty rhetoric. >> he's not going to be hiring david frum that is for sure. i was chuckling about jeb bush who could barely get out the line, they want to take guns away from those. >> good guys bad guys whatever it is. >> a guy that really cares about the second amendment. talk about kabuki, you know ring kissing politicking you go to the nra, that's really what it's all about these days. and, you know, these guys i don't think they really believe it but that's what they have to

do to win the republican nomination. >> david frum what do you think as far as jeb bush? is this appearance at the nra a bid to shore up some support with more conservative members of the republican party who are a little weary of his views on common core and immigration? >> republicans have to be there. one of the things i'm baffled by is why no democrat makes an effort to be there. and part of that is the nra has drifted in such a direction where it's sort of lost sight of its goal as a lobby group and a political force on to itself. that the interests of the nra's leaders are by an adversarial relationship with the democratic party that helps with fund-raising. if you are advocating the interest of gun owners as a group you want to make sure you're protected by both parties as the case before the middle 1990s. there is an opportunity for a democrat to try to find some way to reach some kind of common ground. other democrats have been able to do that. john dingell most famously. >> let me unpack something you

were saying. you said republicans have to be there. there are two republicans who aren't chris christie rand paul. rand paul is not there. understood not to be there if not officially because he is aligned with the more extreme gun rights group and i guess i wonder, you know, how much of that is a liability for rand paul as he tries to consolidate as much support as he can heading into the primaryies? >> that's an example of an institution breaking away from its actual stated goals. if the nra were about gun owners it would want every candidate for president to be there. but if it turns out the most unforgivable thing you can do is give credence to some other dues collecting organization then that tells you a different thing about the group's priorities. rand paul should be there. why they don't invite him? mad him because he's with the ju dayen people's liberation front. >> the national association for gun rights specifically.

david corn the thing that happened, i mean a lot of that sound, you hear a common theme beyond guns which is hillary clinton. i wonder there is a lot of talk about the problems of hillary clinton going unchallenged within the democratic party. it also she provides a target for republicans to focus on that in many ways i think there is some consternation all the policy discussions and debate supposed to happen there, doesn't happen because there's one person they all focus on. >> they are all auditioning for the position of being the slayer of hillary clinton. that's what they're trying to do. at some point it's guaranteed they will start having their own circular firing squad. to get to that position they have to say, rand paul will have to say jeb bush doesn't really believe in gun rights. i do. i'm tougher on immigration than so and so. and they will start taking that pot shots at each other and

people watching msnbc will revel in delight. right now hillary clinton is getting ready to announce this weekend or monday whenever it's going to be, they all want to say we're the -- republicans want to win, they want to, you know defeat clinton more than anything else i'm the best man to do this. i think you're going to see this over and over again. >> david, in terms of the announcements happening this weekend, marco rubio is supposed to announce on monday and feel like every time this guy tries to make a power play he's big footed by someone or something else. there is the strange sort of die nastic politics not fam meal yal in terms of dynasty but the state of florida, the relationship between marco rubio and jeb bush which seems to be not on great footing, pardon the foot metaphors, to marco rubio's strength in 2016 his possibility, what do you see? >> he has strength. especially as it becomes more of a foreign policy election. marco rubio able to speak

compellingly about those issues. we may be watching in front of our eyes the meltdown of this administration's foreign policy achievement which may turn out never to have existed or maybe being walked back being walked back by the iranians as we speak. if it turns out that this thing is a fiasco as it may be, that issue -- >> or it might not. i mean -- >> the president has always said, david, that, you know there's a 50/50 chance this may not happen. they're going into this and they've always been up front that this may not come to pass but you try to do this before going down a different route. >> go ahead, david frum. >> the president said that in the past. today josh earnest who works for the president said it would be reckless and naive for people to believe what the supreme leader of iran says about this deal. >> so continue with your if then. >> marco rubio speaks to foreign policy concerns in the republican party in a way that other republican candidates have not done have not effectively

done. he has a powerful commitment to a freedom agenda. he is going to be a strong voice on those issues and a stronger and more consistent voice than jeb bush who wants to avoid the foreign policy area because it just raises all kinds of questions about his brother. >> he does have that immigration flip flop which is going to be as prominent as anything he has to say about the middle east. >> i wonder does -- will america elect another young senator, youngish senator, to the highest office in the land even if foreign policy is the main focus? and moreover. >> i'm not measuring the curtains in the oval office for him. >> sounds like you're auditioning for a job with him, david. >> oh. >> i am not looking for it. but the point is what kind of candidate will he be i think he is going to be -- there's a lot of interest in rand paul. because rand paul stomps on a lot of republican concerns and because rand paul is so

accessible to the media and he's often very undisciplined in front of the media and while the media d. >> thus the media loves him. >> are all very perturbed he would lose his it temper on camera, people love that. he's getting a very good time. the fact is if jeb bush does not remain a strong candidate out of the gate as he is at the start this is going to be a much more open race and rubio a serious contender. >> david corn, is the race open enough to allow rick perry and his smarty pants glasses to be taken seriously? what is rick perry doing? >> it's a good question. you know our parents all teach us, you only have one chance to make a first impression, right. and his first impression with america was pretty lousy. i don't think he's done a lot since then other than to get the nifty glasses to change things and i think, you know, there's already a texan in the race there's already a handful of governors who don't have the goofy oops to go along with

them so i think him finding a space -- i will say this though i was talking with democrats this morning, you know be we used to think that people would have -- you would define who's credible saying who can raise money. i think in this race any of the 10, 12 15 people from ben carson to marco to rubio to anyone they will all be able to raise enough money to stay in the race for a good time. thanks to citizens united they only need one billionaire each not too hard to find on the right, marco rubio has a guy, a car salesman. >> his millionaire. >> billionaire. >> so they're all going to get in and it's going to be a gigantic sand box tussle and i think david is right. it will be jeb and everybody else, jeb goes to the wayside, everybody else is going to be kind of like, you know, ten little indians playing musical chairs. it's going to be a big, dirty fight. >> no lofty rhetoric though. no lofty rhetoric. david corn and david frum the davids this friday thank you for your time. >> sure thing. >> thank you.

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it's usually for staring forelornely out of windows or giving acward back rubs at announcements. his latest random act, borrows a pass fire from a toddler, one unrelated and then putting it in his mouth. joining me is editor at gawker media, political reporter at "the new york times," nick can fa sorry and melissa harris perry, right here on msnbc. melissa, you're a mom. joe biden, pacifier taken from toddler, put in his own mouth. >> protocol? >> i'm down. >> breach or not? >> no. first of all this is why every day i wake up a and say please god, of the news and political world, let joe biden run for president of the united states. just -- he makes great tv. the pacifier sharing thing is a big thing in my household. my daughter regularly who is 14 months old takes hers out and shoves it into my mouth or my husband's often when she wants us to shut up and -- >> this child is learning early.

>> put a bagel in my mouth last week and -- >> large pacifier. >> kept shoving it in. i don't know. the whole obama administration is good with kids. i suspect paez probably a breach but phone. >> is it -- >> it's terrible. >> no. >> why is it terrible. >> don't take someone else's baby pacifier. >> from the germ or protocol perspective. >> i'm more worried about joe biden's germs. there is parents who think, you know, that we are too -- we are too paranoid about germs. >> children have to be exposed to joe biden early. >> republicans probably want him licking all of the passy fires of all of their children so they would become a valid republican. then this hillary clinton or just hillary, referring to the former secretary of state by her first name only a subtle form of sexism? a new article suggests referring to female candidates by their

first names only could reinforce gender stereotypes. you cover this former secretary of state former first lady former senator, in the pages of the new york times. what is the talk around the building about how and when to refer to her by her first name? >> as you know "the new york times" we use these elaborate courtesy titles. i think there are people who use only her first name in an effort to degrade her, but it's not inherently degrading or sexistp. look she has tried to reclaim it. ready for hillary, name of her super pac. there are people who have run with their first names as a campaign slogan for years and years. lamar alexander, right, lamar with an exclamation point. that was his slogan. >> i do know -- >> enthusiasm is good enthusiasm. >> as you know like anyone any time a stranger calls you by your first name it's intended as a bit of a disrespect. some people who obviously, you know, use it that way. >> go ahead. >> 2008 she felt branded as

hillary during the primary campaigns and that is in part because well there had been another president clinton. and so i think we have to separate out the question of whether or not referring to women candidates by their first names might be an act of sexism that reinforces gender stereotypes, probably true. it's true candidates sometimes self-brand in ways we have to respect that self-branding. in 2008 she was actively self-describing in all of the campaign materials were hillary. we'll have to see what she does in this election. >> a question of i mean there's a question of confusion. because there are two clintons in public life it's easier -- >> one was the whole president, not just public life. the whole president. >> the whole president. >> one was the whole president. >> and then the question of her titles. i think, you know, we are -- we tend to refer to governor bush governor huntsman governors, governors, get those honors. >> i don't think they should though. >> i mean i do think -- i think

there is actually male broadcasters dropped clinton's senator title more than female broadcasters. >> i believe that. >> those kind of what we see as her resume is left out more frequently because of the casual reference. >> yeah. sure. >> secretary hillary. >> i think that nick is right that there are people who do it to be demeaning. like totally obvious. because people are always looking for ways to be demeaning towards her. i mean it is likes the headline problem if i'm writing a headline for one of the sites i edit i'm not going to be -- i'm not going to say just clinton because it would be confusing. that's the problem she has. >> and twitter same deal. twitter i say jeb or rubio or -- >> that's the problem with -- >> another one has been the whole. >> the bush president. >> the whole president. >> maybe somebody could be president not named clinton or bush, it would be less confusing. >> lamar. >> okay. moving on. the new republic suggests cubans are more satisfied with their political system than americans

are. polling finds 65% of americans are dissatisfied with their political system compared to 52% of cubans. nick when i read this, i thought that sounds good except 75% of cubans say they have to be careful about what they say in public. can you even trust cuban polling. >> i'm impressed with the effort to get the poll. in a free country we have these mechanisms called the media and social media to explain to each other all day how bad our political system is. right. we're really indoctrinated by ourselves in cuba no way to talk about how bad it is without getting thrown in jail. i don't trust that. >> the cubans overwhelmingly are happy with their health care system. there are parts of communism, including the provision of health care for the poor and -- >> cubans are more satisfied with their lives because they have access to cuban cigars. if americans had access they would be far more satisfied with a variety of aspects of their life. >> they have accesses to the havana club. if you have access to havana

club rum you are living a happier life are you not? >> you are. >> something to learn from the cubens we think of this thawing of relationships this is great the cubens are going to get internet. we might learn something ourselves. >> our baseball will get better too. >> that's definitely true. okay. this week, nasa's chief scientist predicted we will probably find alien life in the next 10 to 20 years. how hard should we be looking for it? some argue after 50 years of passively listening with no response, it is time for us to initiate contact by sending powerful transmissions into space. alex, where do you land on this important existential question? >> i'm 100% opposed to trying to find aliens because i've seen "independence day" and i've read american history and i know what happens when people with more powerful guns show up and say

our guns are much more powerful than any weapons you have. >> isn't that antitheatrical to the spirit of adventure and ekts exploration that -- exploration that makes this country great? >> i'm down for it. i'm actually really excited about the idea. it doesn't say intelligent alien life it's not star trek, although that would be great. beyond that what i would love for us to do is think about if the global border if the border of our earth and outer space is one we should be allowing to be more porous maybe we would also think about the humans who exist here on the planet with us who need human rights and generating a set of policies that make our actual borders on earth more reasonable and humane. >> it's interesting, right, because we can think about -- we think of ourselves as an earth community but when it comes to interhuman relationships and actually creating a planet more unified or where there are certain -- >> build a wall in space.

>> so aliens can't get over. >> alien passports. will they get citizenship, have a path to citizenship. >> aliens will not be allowed in the country. >> where do you land on this nick, before we go? >> clearly against it. i have aseen every science fiction movie ever. >> i like it. >> tells me no the answer is no. do not go looking for them. >> needed to see ben affleck in "independence day" and know where the buck stopped. "armageddon." sorry. they were the same movie. >> i'm a trekky obviously a trekky. you knew that from my pointed ears but also from my position on this issue. alex and melissa and nick thank you for closing out this with me. remember to catch melissa harris perry, tomorrow is melissa's monday and she is going to rock your weekend. what do cuban-americans especially cuban-americans in florida, think of tomorrow's

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in less than ten minutes president obama will take the stage at the summit of the americas in panama city a stage he will share with cuban president raul castro. within the next few hours, or days it is possible that the world could see an end to more than 50 years of animosity between the two countries. a late wednesday night phone call between the two presidents was just the second such call in nearly half a century. a meeting last night between secretary of state john kerry and cuban foreign minister bruno rodriguez was the highest level meeting since the cuban reb lution. just a few hours ago deputy national security adviser ben rhodes alluded to the most significant development of all. the meeting between the two leaders themselves. according to rhodes we certainly anticipate that they will have a discussion tomorrow. joining me is senior political

writer for politico mark caputo. thanks for joining me. you're in florida. how is this playing out among residents of the state? >> depends on where you live. that sound you hear is a lot of older cuban-americans heads exploding. the idea -- >> i don't hear that sound but i'm far away from florida. go ahead. >> i'm in tallahassee right now and don't hear that but my hometown of miami that's happening. now that having been said polling generally indicates the support for the embargo is limited largely to elder cuban-americans and/or hardline conservatives, generally people who are older and came to the country, cuban-americans, before 1980. there's a generational divide even among cuban-americans. >> go ahead. >> go ahead. >> i was going to say, those older americans, generational divide is what we see in politics as well and i wonder how much you think this decision, if we do take cuba off the state sponsors of terror

list, how that shifts the electoral landscape come 2016? >> well i don't necessarily see it shifting that much. what i do see shifting and implicating most directly is the cuban adjustment act. that allows cuban-americans or cubans who arrive on u.s. soil to get essentially a pathway to citizenship, a pass on immigration laws. now that cuba is no longer listed as a state sponsor of terror there's a question as to whether or not that law is just and fair. there's a lot of other people from other countries who think it's not very fair and now the prime reason for having it is being removed. as far as elections are concerned, it is true that largely older cuban-americans who are republican and they vote at very high rates, those who ares hispanic who are not cuban-american republicans or younger generally don't vote in as big a rate as the aforementioned group. but i don't know how much of an issue this is going to be in the election. nevertheless this is the first time in many years cuba has been a significant definite immediate

policy concern in the u.s. election both jeb bush marco rubio from miami, they say a and have said even before this that the cuban embargo needed to be strengthened and not weakened and point to venezuela crumbling and problems that venezuela has cuba has because of socialism not u.s. policy. if we do want to lift the embargo and change that that's going to take an affirmative act of congress. good luck getting congress to do just about anything. and also understand that debbie wasserman-schultz generally favors a hardline position on cuba not what obama does. >> well let's talk about what you brought up which is if cubans are now denieds the path to citizenship because the country itself or cubans wishing to emigrate to the united states, that changes the calculus around immigration and i guess i wonder how much you think that sort of reignites, the issue is one to be one that republicans will have to grapple with, but how much that further pushes the jeb bushes and maybe to some degree the marco rubios of the world to embrace publicly

a comprehensive reform effort if there are cuban-americans who are newly engaged in that fight? >> i don't see marco rube why or jeb bush going out much farther on a limb on immigration than they have and relative to how their party or the grassroots or the intelligencea of the talking heads ru vee form. both have advocates for a pathway to residency or citizenship and called for other more significant changes we don't talk about a lot. the matter of cuba the newer cubans coming over who become voters aren't voting republican anyway to those older cuban-americans who got established before 1980 or generally born in cuba. >> generational divides are the name of the game. politico's mark caputo thanks for your time mark. >> you're welcome. thanks for having me. >> that is all for now. "the ed show" is coming up next.

good evening americans. welcome to "the ed show" live from minnesota. let's get to work. tonight -- hillary's ready for 2016. >> the former secretary of state will announce her run for the white house. >> clinton will try to avoid the mistake she made in 2008. >> plus iran's pushback on a nuclear deal. >> we will not sign any deal unless all economic sanctions are lifted on the same day as the signing of that deal. >> later, new details out of south carolina. >> state investigators are saying they were suspicious of this shooting from the very beginning. >> and bigotry on the bayou. >> state representative mike johnson filed the act. >> i'm always in favor of defending religious liberty. >> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. here we go. the 2016 presidential campaign season is about to get into high gear. two sources close