american express' timeless safety and security are now available on apple pay. the next evolution of membership is here. the final countdown. and good morning to you out there. thanks for getting up with us this sunday morning. a lot to get to on the show today including why all eyes are on hillary clinton this morning. i think you know the answer. we're all anticipating, we're all waiting for that official launch of her presidential campaign. that could be coming any hour now. we're also going to take a look at the "snl" factor. our friends in studio 8h greet the expected rollout of another clinton campaign for president on their show last night. also this morning, it was supposed to be a big weekend for senator marco rubio of florida.

what has changed for him now that hillary is stealing a bit of his thunder, or a lot of his thunder. plus, president obama calls his meeting with raul castro historic. so where does the u.s. relationship with cuba stand now? where does it go from here? we're looking forward to having former ambassador in new mexico governor bill richardson here to talk about that. also still ahead this morning, our bridgegate indictments on the way? we will take a look at all of the key players and what it could mean for governor chris chris christie. in a fascinating new book the author here to share all of those details with us. but we begin this morning the internet. every morning the political world hitting refresh as we count down and wait for that official announce of hillary clinton's 2016 presidential bid. what do we know right now? we know that hillary is expected to announce sometime today, probably this morning, maybe

around noon with a video message that she'll share through a social media platform like twitter. the contents of that video starting to come into focus a little bit this morning. a memo from hillary's campaign manager to staffers leaking out yesterday, probably intentionally, with some guiding principles as the campaign moves ahead. this is how it spells out the mission of what will be hillary's second presidential bid. quote, to give every family every small business and every american a path to lasting prosperity by electing hillary clinton the next president of the united states. and the associated press reporting this morning that the early campaign message will quote, center on boosting economic security for the middle class and expanding opportunities for working families. now, once that video goes live and again, we're expecting it sometime in the next few hours. once that video goes live the campaign will have officially begun for hillary. she will then be headed to iowa likely early this week for a series of what's described as

small get-to-know-you events. these are not big speeches or rallies we're looking at here. the campaign strategy is to make this more of a gradual small-scale rollout. then after that she'll make her way to the other key early primary states in the coming weeks. but iowa is where it will all be starting for hillary this time around. that is also the state where it all started to come apart for her the last time around when she finished in third place in that state's caucuses back in 2008. now, right now clinton isn't facing much serious competition within her own party. but her campaign is sending a clear message that they won't be taking anything for granted when it comes to iowa. they are also trying to lower the bar a little bit with national polls showing clinton running at or above 60% in the democratic race. according to "the washington post," a talking point the clinton team has repeated no democratic candidate for president has gotten more than 50% of the caucus vote unless he or she was a sitting president, vice president, or for senator

tom harkin in 1992, a favorite son. iowa rejected clinton in 2008. what will they be looking for this time around? well, msnbc's jane tim is just back from iowa where she talked to the very voters hillary is about to face. good morning to you, jane. so you are out there. you're talking to the voters. hillary's on her way out there to talk to the same voters. what are they expecting from her arrival? >> you know they're really ready for her to come. the republicans have been there running for weeks. so they want hillary to get there and get in this race. iowa democrats really love this part of the race where they get to sort of do their due diligence. all voters in the state love this part, the first-in-the-nation caucus part. and they're ready to see what she has to say. i mean we spoke with some voters who said you know we like her but we want to hear how she's going to appeal to us. i think we have some sound of what some voters told me. so let's take a look at that. >> she'll just have to convince us that you know that she's got our back. and i think people are inclined

to give her the benefit of the doubt. >> i think we're hillary fans. we're also fans of whomever speaks to the issues and really speaks to our hearts. so hillary is not a guarantee. yes, we love her, but she's not a guarantee. i think whoever is really going to touch us where we feel comfortable, then that person will get the votes needed in iowa. >> as you can see, they're not ready to vote for hillary just yet. they're definitely ready to hear what she has to say and get in that race. they're also ready to hear what martin o'malley and jim webb has to say. there's not a lock on anybody. they want to hear and have her stake out some very liberal territory, particularly on economic issues which is what almost every voter in iowa told me this week was really important to them. we also know that it's not -- she may be polling very well in the rest of the state, but it's not inevitable by any means. we spoke with her state chairman

from iowa in 2008. he said she ran a good campaign then, but she still didn't win. i think that even if he's stating this, you know an ally let's take a look at what he had to say. >> no. no one is ever inevitable. that's the thing is iowans really want to hear from all of the candidates to find out who really talks about iowa values. >> that sort of says it all for that. she's going to have to get there, say this is what matters to me and really get to know these voters. they foiled her in 200. 8. >> yeah those iowa voters especially in the caucuses they know the first rule of courtship, it's nice to play hard to get. i guess they'll be doing it this time around. thank you, jane timm appreciate that. president obama offering his thoughts on hillary clinton's pending announcement last night from panama. this is what the president had to say. >> with respect to hillary clinton, i'll make my comments

very brief. she was a formidable candidate in 2008. she was a great supporter of mine in the general election. she was an outstanding secretary of state. she is my friend. i think she would be an excellent president. and i'm not on the ballot. >> things a little more conflicted for the former secretary of state on the front page of "the new york times" this morning, the article articulating a key challenge for her campaign. "how can she run for president on her own person without criticizing the sitting president." a conundrum for hillary as her official candidacy nears. joining us in washington mark murray senior political editor for msnbc news and lynn sweet, washington bureau chief with

"the chicago sun-times," with the progressive campaign for america's future and joe watkins, republican strategist who was a white house aide to president george h.w. bush. mark, in washington here it is. so much talk really i don't know, back since 2012 about the hillary campaign in 2016. we have finally reached the day when she gets in this race. so it seems clear her campaign is taking pains to make it -- this will be a small-scale, humility taking nothing for granted. are you buying that that's actually going to be their approach? >> well, that's certainly the message they're trying to aget across. but, of course we're actually -- we're going to actually see if those words are actually put into place. and one of the things that you know hillary clinton is going to end up having in this contest is she has a clear shot to the democratic nomination. yes, there are going to be other potential democrats in the field, but poll after poll after poll shows that she's set up to really run the table. and you know you hear the semi-endorsement from president obama there that she would make

for an excellent candidate. he's not saying that about any of the other democrats. but one of the worries she has, headed in for a general election she kind of somehow overlearned some of the lessons from 2008. and you know you ended up mentioning that memo that was just sent out and leaked to the press about how the clinton campaign, we're all going to be one family. we're not going to have internal disputes. this is all about hillary clinton clinton. we're supposed to represent her. 2008, it was chaos, internal strife. and they're trying to give us the message yes, we've learned from 2008. but sometimes, you know you often overlearn some of the mistakes from the past campaign. and i look back to 2008. and right around early 2007 she decided to set her up as the strong establishment candidate, not knowing it was going to be a change election. and steve, it's worth noting we don't really know what the overall environment's going to look like come november 2016 what the message from voters are going to be. and so you know it's going to be interesting to see what she has.

the thing going for her is this time she really doesn't have a barack obama challenging her. the other hand is there are a lot of external factors and a lot of ups and downs she's going to have to contend with. >> i'm curious, too, she looks so well positioned on the democratic side, certainly. it did jump out to me there's a little bit of bar lowering going on already with their campaign saying hey, 50%'s a lot to be getting out in iowa if you're not the president. the vice president or tom harkin. i think that leaves only like three caucuses in history where one of those things hasn't been the case. that's the bar they're trying to set. what do you think is going to happen? president obama weighing in. joe biden, the sitting vice president, has been trying to keep his options open. are we going to see democrats like joe biden coalesce around her? is this thing going to wrap up early? >> you know again, it's really hard to predict the future steve, but i do think that things are set up where maybe a month or two after the announcement today you're going to see half if not more of the democratic party -- and i'm talking about the democratic-elected officials -- probably endorse her.

there was already one study that ended up showing that more than 50% of u.s. senators have actually said that they'd endorse her or are ready for hillary and joined the ready for hillary campaign. when you look at that in past campaigns, the only person who had kind of gotten that level of wrapping up the party support was george w. bush back in 1999/2000. of course, outside of a stumble he had in new hampshire against john mccain, he ended up easily winning that contest. and every political scientist often says what you need to watch during this primary campaign is if the party coalesces around one person and if more than 50% of the party is around somebody that's going to be an easy situation for somebody. i think that's the thing to watch. i wouldn't be surprised if we see more than half of the elect elected officials in the democratic party endorse her a month or two from now. >> let me start with -- take a look. this is the "new york post" with their -- put this up. they're already hillary attack modes begun, oh hill no.

the cover. i mean the surest sign this race is on lynn is not just that she's making the announcement, but her old adversaries in the press are sort of cranking it up too. >> well i think this was kind of expected. and one of the things that i think they know going in they know who is -- they think they know where they could go to build and where they could go that's a waste of time. you know, they have a lot of information, but as mark murray was saying what do you really do with it? there's a lot of intelligence there. i think what you have to do is craft it in a way that you could do billion-dollar fund-raising and still say this is a small mom and pop campaign. >> can you do that? can you do that? >> how do you do that? that's one of their challenges because this is the first campaign we have under the new rules, that everything -- you know, if it's not a billion dollars, who can even talk about it? okay.

there's just -- it's new money. it's different kind of money, different kinds of rules. so yes, the thing to watch for is in the next few days will the mom and pop campaign in iowa unfold the long ramp small events which will be vexing for political reporters to cover because i bet we won't know a lot of them. and then still having to create a billion-dollar enterprise you know, not only in the key primary states but nationally. >> and in terms of the message she's going to be promoting here, as we said no major policy speeches coming out here no big rallies, but this was jonathan allen in vox looking at one of the aspects of her strategy that's expected this time, he reported from her campaign saying she will be playing up gender playing up the possibility being the first female president. he writes that when hillary clinton launches her campaign sunday she'll do something no other presidential candidate including clinton has done before, run like a woman. if she plays it right, it will be a feature, not a bug. the feminine motif will be fully

integrated into her persona, rhetoric and platform according to interviews with a half dozen sources close to clinton. it was an interesting thing for me to read. the end in 2008, she was talking about all the cracks in the glass ceiling. it seems like this time around be a bigger point of emphasis for her. >> well she's very smart to do that. this is an historic election. once it gets started. and for women all across the country, whether you're a hard democrat or somebody who's an independent or even a republican woman, you have to consider the fact that we could possibly have the first woman president. so hillary clinton is very very smart to think about that to really focus in on women and to begin to at least make women aware of the fact that this could be historic. now, on the other hand she still has to define who it is that she is. i mean americans think they know hillary clinton, secretary clinton, but they've got to get to know her as presidential candidate for 2016. >> can i make a quick point on

that? everyone thinks they know her. there are a whole generation of people who were babies and toddlers in 1992 who are voting now. there's a lot of stuff that might seem old to us but needs to be said. >> right. >> the story needs to be told and retold. >> you have to be about 35 years old to really start to remember the fist clinton campaign back in 1992. it is amazing how the time goes like that. i wonder, bill as you look at this, we talked about this a little bit in the intro, too. there's the obama factor in all of this. i mean among democrats, obama still extremely popular. so if you're hillary and you want to sew this thing up and you don't want to be attacking obama. at the same time, his approval rating sitting there at 46%, how is she going to navigate that? >> i don't think it's going to be that hard. "the new york times" piece made it seem like walking a tightrope. the democratic party loves obama still, very popular. you certainly don't want to pick a fight with him at this stage. you see she goes to great lengths avoiding daylight with

him right now. there were pieces made where she didn't get a lot of attention where she said the american economy is the envy of the world thanks to the hard choices that the obama administration made. that's using the precious title of her own book and giving it to obama. she's been a bit of a skeptic on the iran negotiations. but she came out with a strong statement in favor of the preliminary agreement last week. at the same time, down the road she will probably pick her spots. there will probably be some points over time where she'll say you know what? i disagree with obama on that one. it probably won't be personal. it probably won't be launching a civil war in the party but just enough to say, look he's him. i'm me. i have my own opinions. i'm going to do things my way when i'm in charge. and i don't think it's going to be that hard. >> the countdown clock is on. we're thinking around noon today. in the next few hours, we're expected to see this official campaign launch. much more throughout the show and throughout the day. for now, thanks to mark murray in washington for joining us. appreciate you getting up this morning, mark. still ahead, we will take you behind closed doors on 1600

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guilty on all 30 counts. that was the jury's unanimous decision earlier this week in the boston marathon bombing case against dzhokhar tsarnaev. the 21-year-old found guilty of crimes that left four dead and more than 260 people wounded two years ago. the guilty verdict in a way was the easy part in all of this with ample video evidence tsarnaev's defense team conceding from the very beginning that tsarnaev and his brother did carry out the bombings and the subsequent murder of an m.i.t. police officer. but next week the jury begins

deliberations on a much tougher question. should tsarnaev be put to death for this? this really gets to the heart of the debate over whether we should have a death penalty in this country at all. after all, there is no question here of guilt. and the scale of tsarnaev's deeds is about as wicked as you could imagine. if we're going to have a death penalty in this country, this would seem to be the kind of case to use it on. and yet there are plenty of voices saying no. >> my heart goes out to the families here but i don't support the death penalty. i think that he should spend his life in jail no possibility of parole, he should die in prison. >> in fact a majority of people in boston the city that was terrorized by the tsarnaev brothers, seems to agree with that. 62% of bostonians saying they want tsarnaev to get life in prison without parole. but some longstanding death penalty opponents are also reconsidering in light of this case. former boston mayor ray flynn writing in "the boston herald,"

quote, as a catholic i'm personally opposed to the death penalty. and in any other case i wouldn't hesitate to tell you i am opposed. however, because of tsarnaev's arrogance and lack of remorse, i believe the opinions of the families of the innocent victims should be taken into consideration by the jury sentencing him. so what's the right call here? well, joining us now from boston is former mayor of that city ray flynn. mayor flynn, thank you for joining us this morning. maybe if i could just get you to pick up from that quote we were just reading from you. have you settled in a place on this where you are okay with capital punishment being the punishment here? >> no i'm opposed to the death penalty, but i'll tell you this, though. what i've experienced even since the verdict was rendered i spoke over at suffolk university last friday. i was there for five hours, spoke to many many young students, very smart, bright students. i see because the bombing and the terrorist attitude lack of

remorse, arrogance in personalizing the bombing and how it affected so many boston people. even young students are having reservations that i'm surprised that in fact because it was always a theoretical discussion in the media or among politicians, but now it's personal. it's affecting people in the most intimate way. and i think people are having questions about the death penalty now again and whether or not it would be a good policy. but as i say, i've been in politics over 40-some-odd years. so i've formulated a lot of opinions on very important moral, social economic issues and i'm opposed to it. but i see a real shift taking place, particularly among young people because of the personal nature that the terrorists had, impact had, on innocent people here in the city of boston. that's such a traditional event

as the boston marathon. >> it seems to me when i look at sort of public opinion in the death penalty, it fluctuates based on two things. like you'll have cases where somebody's been in jail for 30 years. somebody's been on death row for 30 years. they're exonerated they're let out. and people look at a case like that, and they say absolutely we don't want capital punishment. we're too fallible a society for that. but then you get this other side of it in your city. what happened there, people start looking at it. and as you say, it's personalized. and opinion starts to swing the other way. and it seems at a certain point, you've got to make a decision. either you can have the death penalty or not. >> well yeah but still, the debate has always been in the abstract. it's never really personally affected people as intimately as this particular case has. and then they see -- my son was in guantanamo bay for a couple years as a naval officer. and when he heard about the release of the prisoners going back -- the terrorists going back in society and potentially

doing the same kind of random acts of terrorists again, you know, he was all upset about that. now, would this be part of a bargaining negotiation as one student pointed out the other day? if, for example, that we wanted to make a deal the president of the united states made a deal to release terrorists with a country in the middle east a terrorist country in the middle east? would this be -- would this be a case of releasing this boston marathon bomber? i mean these are all the questions that are being asked. and good people who feel -- you know, there are good people on both sides of this issue. and so it's now more than an academic and a political debate among journalists and politicians. this is an issue that good people on both sides are starting to discuss. and i think that's a healthy debate to have. i've not experienced it in my lifetime, and i've been in

politics in the international, the national and the local level, but i've not heard this kind of personal debate taking place about capital punishment as we're hearing in the city of boston at this particular time. >> and as we say, the deliberations, that jury will begin deliberating this week on that question. will tsarnaev get the death penalty or not? we'll keep a close eye on that. for now, thank you to former boston mayor ray flynn. still ahead, "saturday night live's" take on what we can expect from them as hillary clinton launches another bid for the white house. first, this was supposed tore mapco rubio's time in the spotlight. we're going to turn our attention to the other big name about to enter the race for president. stay with us. i'm brian vickers, nascar® driver. i'm kevin nealon comedian. and i'm arnold palmer, professional golfer. know what we have in common? we talked to our doctors about treatment with xarelto®. me, when i had a blood clot in my leg that could have traveled to my lungs. that's why i took xarelto®, too. xarelto® is proven to treat and help reduce the risk of

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himself overshadowed this weekend. still, this is a big moment for rubio. he runs in the middle of the republican pack of candidates right now, but he's also seen as having more potential than many of his rivals to rise up and challenge jeb bush. that's the same jeb bush who was once a mentor to rubio and who shares his same florida political base with him. for now wisconsin governor scott walker appears to be bush's strongest opponent but with his entrance, rubio is now going to try to supplant walker in that role. he is focusing hard on foreign policy. to do that that is supposed to be one of walker's perceived weaknesses. >> it's described first and foremost as the commander in chief. and yet president obama has treated this duty like an afterthought. he entered office believing that the united states was too engaged in the world in too many places, that we told people what to do too often, and that's why they resented us. >> will rubio's strategy work here? can he make his way to the head of the pack?

we're joined by "the washington paes post's" ed o'keefe. let me start in terms of rubio's entrance at this point it doesn't surprise anybody. but a few months ago people looked at this and said he's not going to run against jeb bush. he's his mentor. he defers to jeb bush. "the new york times" writing about that dynamic this week and saying that rubio's decision to go ahead, quote, signals a decisive shakespearean turn in a 15-year relationship so close, personal and enduring that people describe the two almost as family. given that relationship, what got rubio to this point where he's going to run? >> the fact that there's no reason for him not to try and that there's been enough demand at least, on him to do it. look he's young. he's probably the youngest in this race. at 43. he is up for re-election in the senate anyway. he just decided that given his state law that doesn't allow him to run for re-election while running for president, he'd rather just do that. worst case he loses, maybe he

runs for governor in 2018 or maybe he just leaves politics altogether, at least for the time being and goes off to the private sector and makes more money. he does have four young children he has to raise and feed after all. so his options are wide open. and look they i think, admit that, look there was another young senator who once tried this after only a few years in the senate. the difference here is that rubio, of course, had a lot more experience at the state level than obama did. and they feel pretty confident going into this race that they might be the one to beat. >> speaking of just the awkwardness of the bush/rubio dynamic here this was an amazing thing, politico yesterday reporting friday night rube crow and bush both speak at this nhr convention fly back to florida and it turns out they're sitting next to each other on the same flight. for three hours, who knows what they talked about? i have a pretty good idea. let me get the panel in here just for a second. marco rubio, as a candidate, it seems there is an opening there

for at least one sort of consensus, conservative candidate not named jeb bush. and scott walker right now sort of is occupying that role. marco rubio's prospects of getting there, what do you think? >> well, he's got a lot of work to do of course. jeb bush has a big lead, has raised a lot of money, has a lot of organization around. governor walker has done very well in the early polling. rubio is somebody who's perceived as having a strong conservative credentials but not being polarizing. so he has the capacity in the minds of lots of early voters in places like iowa and new hampshire, if he were to emerge as the candidate to do well in a general election. >> personality and youth, are those the two big selling points? >> i think among other things. he's new. he spoke well at the last convention. he's certainly who speaks -- he's got a compelling personal story. so he's got that. and then he has the capacity to attract hispanic voters. to the republican -- republican party. so those are some strengths for him. but he has a long way to go. it's going to be a crowded field. my favorite still right now is jeb bush.

i think jeb bush is way ahead, and jeb bush is the person to beat. >> i'm not sure i agree necessarily with that assessment. i've been saying bush's numbers look weak to me. in terms of rubio, what do you guys think? his prospects here of getting to the top of the tier? the top of the pack? >> i see zero path for me. i still see jeb as the man to beat. if it's not going to be jeb, it's going to be someone on the conservative side that consolidates everybody else all the different conservative factions to trump the established support that jeb has. the first step of that path is to be anti-immigration reform. rubio blew that issue completely last year. he put himself out as the leader on the subject that was going to broker the deal between obama and conservatives, and he managed to anger everybody in the process. >> now, he's walked back from that since. ed o'keefe, i'm actually curious about that. as bill is saying a year ago, that was the talk. hey, rubio has alienated the right because of immigration. he miscalculated, but he has tried to walk that back. has he been successful in doing

that with sort of the anti-immigration right? >> i think there's still a lot of skepticism about really where his feelings are on it. look, when he wept to c-pac, he made very clear, once that he's disavowing himself of that work he had done because he says he learned through the process that the only way this is going to get through congress is if congress and the white house work together first on securing the border to whatever degree republicans feel it needs to be secured. and of course, that starts a big disagreement that basically makes it impossible the way that rubio is trying to do it. but by doing that and saying until border security is done, not concurrent with everything else, but until it's done, can we proceed. yes, his team can say he's for immigration reform and all its forms, but when you say that that border security's got to be first at a time when it is arguably more secure than ever before, and when democrats and the white house would certainly say we've done that we've done as much as we can on that we've got to focus on everything else it just shows you that you know, that creates a stalemate. whether that's enough for

conservatives, i don't know. and i think now that he's in the race and you know assessments will be made of his record we'll see. >> all right. ed o'keefe on his way down to cover to cover that. good luck with that announcement tomorrow of marco rubio. appreciate it. coming up the clintons as you might have heard, they're back. they're also back on late night. >> now, since we're announcing your candidacy via social media, we thought it would be fun if you actually filmed the video yourself on your own phone. that way it seems more personal and intimate. >> uh-huh personal and intimate, yes. >> and action. >> citizens you will elect me. i will be your leader. your mom's got your back. your friends have your back. your dog's definitely got your back. but who's got your back when you need legal help? we do. we're legalzoom, and over the last 10 years, we've helped millions of people protect their families and run their businesses. we have the right people on-hand to answer your questions

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i am running because i want to be a voice for women everywhere. >> did someone say women everywhere?

>> bill. hello, bill. >> hillary would make a great president. >> thank you. >> and i would make an even greater first dude. >> thank you bill. that's nice. >> hillary, isn't it crazy that phones can take videos now? i mean if they could have done that in the '90s, i'd be in jail. >> great, bill. i love jokes about that. >> "saturday night live" last night making some headlines this morning. back with today's panel. this is our catching-up segment. so that's the other aspect of presidential campaign starting especially for people like the clintons. you're going to get the "snl" impersonations for the next year and a half probably. darrell hammond, speaking of the '90s, coming back. kate mcclinton goingkinnonckinnon as hillary. what do we think? >> she didn't strike me to have the had hillary thing nailed in

the way amy poehler did. >> she is funny. >> the content was funny. it was a great script. she executed it well. but here's what is the genius always to "saturday night live" is that she distilled the essence of something. and the essence that they got here is people will wonder is this going to be the third bill clinton term or the third clinton term. and they were able to encapsulate that. >> and there's bill lurking in the background. >> i think one of the questions, one of the things that hillary clinton will have to do because -- you know we talked about earlier, do you distance herself from obama? and the answer is not too much and not too fast at your own risk. but she can embrace the bill clinton presidency. in a sense she did that during her '08 run, but do it in a way that ends up being productive. >> there's also a risk there because you do have this anti-wall street populist wave coming. >> yes. >> bill clinton is the person who repealed glass-steagall. martin o'malley has already said i want to restore

glass-steagall. someone's going to ask hillary the question, do you agree with what your husband did on financial reform? there's going to be a conference of groups putting on campaign for america's future on the 18th of this month, they're going to be putting these issues on the table saying where do you stand on this stuff? >> many things will be true at the same time in politics you could push her to the left and that's the whole wave of democratic elections now, and she could also say that that era represented a time of great prosperity. >> yeah. one more i want to get to this is in "the new york times." we held up the "new york post" a minute ago. not a surprise they're going to give hillary a hard time. also not a surprise that maureen dowd going to give hillary a hard time as well. her column grandma memea saying that hillary will take the nixon approach trying to charm people one by one in the early states for 2016, an acknowledgment she cannot emulate the wholesale allure of barack obama. if you can fake humility, you've got it made. but seeing rahm and hillary doing it in the same season, in

chicago, might be too much to take. joe, somebody is going to enjoy reading the op-ed page of "the new york times." >> i think some of these op-eds are a little bit hard and probably will win her some support, some sympathy. people say gee, don't be so hard on hillary. i think if she takes advantage of a "saturday night live" to laugh at herself and loosen up and lighten up, i think that's to her advantage. again, she's reintroducing herself to a whole group of voters who don't know a whole lot about the clintons. they don't know her from 1992. they're only just learning about her. they know a little about her as senator. they know about her as secretary of state. she's got to define who she is for 2016 as somebody who wants to be president of the united states. >> also in terms -- >> quickly. >> quickly the comparison between rahm and hillary, i think rahm owns the brash, abrasive corner of this discussion. >> you know what? yes. put the two of them next to each other and hillary's going to look very warm. still ahead, a look at the private lives of our first family as we go behind the

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second floor which i know are reserved for the private living of the president and his family. i don't think any television cameras or motion picture cameras have ever gone up there. >> that was jackie kennedy in 16216 1962 giving the first-ever televised tour of the white house in what was a highly watched primetime special. what we know far less about is the kennedy fame's life when the cameras stopped rolling, what their lives were like inside the white house. and that holds true for any first family. it's not that their private lives don't have plenty of witnesses. there are witnesses there, as they're attended to by a staff of maids and butlers and cooks, florist, doormen, engineers and others who tend to their every need. those loyal attendants don't usually talk about what they see. until now. somehow journalist kate anderson brouwer got many dpormer members of the white house staff to talk about what daily life in the white house is like. the secrets have been uncovered in the book called "the residence: inside the private world of the white house."

and author kate anderson brouwer joins us ponl. she's also a former white house correspondent for bloomberg. thanks for joining us. the theme of the day here the clintons are trying to come back to the white house after an absence. hillary clinton probably announcing her candidacy any hour now. it's interesting some of the revelations in this book from the staffers who lived with the clintons basically, for the eight years they were there in the white house. a picture comes out of a first family that was -- i don't know, the lack of a better term, a little paranoid about the permanent staff living around them. >> yeah. i mean one of the staffers i interviewed, and i interviewed more than 50 of them most of them spoke to me on the record. they invited me into their homes, and i really got to know them over the course of reporting this book, over a year and a half. and one of them told me that they were the most paranoid first family he ever served and he had served several. one of the things the clintons did was they changed the phone lines so they could make calls out more easily rather than having an operator connect them. but i think one of the really interesting things is that this

book kind of shows how human a lot of these people are. i mean hillary clinton, during the height of the monica lewinsky scandal, placed a call early one morning asking an usher if he could help her get some time alone by the pool with some books. it was a beautiful day. and for them that's like a gargantuan task. they had to escort her down make sure that her secret service agents trailed her so she wouldn't see them. she was wearing no makeup had to red reading glasses, was carrying a bunch of books. and after she spent this time by the pool she took him by the hands and said "that just meant so much to me." and he told me that that really touched his heart. i mean these people are all about trying to make the first family comfortable in this very difficult life where they're under the spotlight all the time. >> is there a sense where the paranoia, you talk about where that comes from? >> i mean i think they had a long history with you know troopergate, and they always fet like they were being listened in on. you know it was obviously a

very tumultuous time in their marriage. one of the staffers told me that there wasn't much laughter on the second and third floors during the height of the scandal. she -- mrs. clinton was nowhere to be found for appointments she had to look at floral arrangements because she was dealing with something obviously much more consequential. and another staffer told me on the record that it was like a morgue on the second and third floors. it was so quiet. eerily quiet. and they came to the white house with, you know baggage from little rock. and i think that was something that the residence staffers see because they are so close to the first family. the maids and the butlers see them in their most intimate moments. >> how about the current occupants of the white house? what sense did you get from the people who work there now or have worked there with the obamas in the white house, just watching them live their daily lives? what have they observed? >> that they really value their privacy. you know they have two young daughters. their grandmother lives there. mrs. obama would ask the florist to label the flowers on the

floral arrangements so that she and her girls could learn the proper names. and she asked one butler who spoke flunt french to speak french to her daughters so they could learn the language. and i think that also is a very humanizing thing. that she came from a middle-class background. and that's another thing i discovered over the course of my reporting is that the bushes, who were used to having help dealt with the help in a better way. the help liked working for them because they knew exactly what they wanted all the time whereas the clintons and the obamas, they didn't grow up with that. and so the relationship is a bit more strained. >> that's interesting. yeah, it sounded like george bush sr., his white house, it sounded in your book like that's the favorite one for the staff. >> absolutely. and these are people who are really apolitical. they're not democrats or republicans. they served from administration to add management. a lot of them are there -- i interviewed people who were there during the eisenhowers, which is incredible. they've seen so much history. and george h.w. bush comes off

the best because he would play horseshoes with the staff. if a family member passed away he would call you and express his condolences. barbara bush would come down and visit the shops in the basement of the white house where a lot of these people worked like the electricians and carpenters just poke her head in in the morning and say hello. they were kind of unaffected by their very high positions. >> as you say, their background they were raised in that kind of world, too. so i guess they knew what they were getting into. kate anderson brouwer author of "the residence." thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you. and coming up former ambassador bill richardson is here to talk about the thaw in u.s./cuba relations. first, we talk with a former opponent of hillary clinton's about how this rollout maybe isn't so different than the last. another hour of "up" is next.

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all right. and thanks for staying with us this sunday morning. there's a lot more we want to get to this hour including what will be the biggest tweet from hillary yet? but what's her presidential campaign going to look like after she officially launches? we're going to be joined by the man who ran against her in her first campaign for the senate to talk all about the experience of running against hillary clinton and what he learned from it. in the republican field, senator rand paul is working out some issues with his father in a public view. how does the would-be president both embrace his father's legacy and create some much-needed distance as well? plus president obama turns the payable onge with a new relationship with cuba after decades of hostility. what is this relationship going to look like and what will it mean for us as americans? former ambassador and new mexico governor bill richardson is here this hour to discuss that. also still ahead this morning, those bridgegate

indictments you've been hearing about for months now. are they finally on their way? we're going to take a look at the key players and what it all means for governor chris christie. and finally, ask not what your country can do for you. ask what you can do for your country. does the call to public service like jfk's resonate with today's young adults? but we begin this hour with something the whole country is eagerly refreshing their browsers for as we speak. that announcement that could come any hour now of hillary clinton's second presidential campaign. the former secretary of state is expected to be planting her flag on social media sometime this morning, sometime around noon maybe. and insiders say that clinton is trying to execute a different kind of campaign launch than last time. no rallies, no big speeches no shock and awe, not necessarily a blitz but a slow rampup. that's what somebody in her campaign is saying. part of the announcement is going to come in the form of a video. that is much like the rollout to her last presidential campaign back in 2007.

>> so let's talk. let's chat. let's start a dialogue about your ideas and mine. >> so that was what clinton said when she got in the race back in january 2007. and here is what happened in the days that followed that. >> hillary clinton chose a community health clinic for her first public appearance since her website announcement that she's running for president. a way to draw attention to one of her favorite issues children's health care while vowing she'll do even more at the next level. >> and that i'm obviously looking forward to being in even a better position to help all of our country make progress on health care. >> reporter: the polls right now seem contradictory. some showing clinton trailing obama and even other contenders in key states like new hampshire and iowa. but at least one other showing her swamping the entire field nationally. her own confident refrain -- >> i'm in to win, and that's what i intend to do. >> now, clinton will apparently not be using that phrase "i'm

in to win" this time around. but other than that it is true that a lot does feel reminiscent of 2008 in terms of how she's approaching this launch. the online kickoff, choosing a small venue for her first public appearance. even the polling that showed her coasting nationally but a lot closer in some of those key states. except that's only in the general election matchups. her 2007 announcement stands in stark contrast with the epically staged launch by the candidate who ultimately defeated her that year. >> i stand before you today to announce my candidacy for president of the united states of america. >> clinton's declaration today differs from that obama model. it also differs from how her current potential republican opponents are announcing their campaigns. it's different from ted cruz who announced it in a theater in the round style at a basketball arena at liberty university. he also then saw a significant bump in his polling numbers. they doubled or tripled in some

cases. it's also different from hillary is doing from rand paul who had a full program of speakers and videos highlighting his policy interests in kentucky earlier in the week. and marco rubio who is all set to stand before an audience at the freedom tower in miami tomorrow and declare his candidacy for president. another big-staged event. all very different approaches from what we're about to see this morning from hillary clinton. so this is how it begins. hillary clinton's fourth campaign as a candidate in her career. she lost the last one, of course, in 2008. she won the first two in 2000 and 2006 the most difficult being that first one when she ventured out of the white house, not back to arkansas not back to her native state of illinois but to new york where she ran for the seat that had been held by daniel patrick moynihan. that was in 2000. the stakes were high. and clinton ultimately squared off with the young up-and-coming member of congress named rick lazio. it was there that yet that hillary clinton made history as the first first lady to win

elected office. but not without some bumps in the road. >> now, i know it's not always going to be an easy campaign. but hey, this is new york. >> and joining us now is the first opponent that hillary clinton ever faced as a candidate, rick lazio, who now runs the internet publication "ignite" along with our panel, republican strategist joe watkins back with us, lynn sweet with "the chicago sun-times," bill scher with the campaign for america's future. you have the perspective that almost nobody else in politics had. you went head to head with hillary clinton. this was a very competitive and expensive race. i'm just curious, as you look at hillary clinton, the hillary clinton who's preparing to enter the presidential race today, and you think back to that candidate you ran against in 2000 are you seeing the same politician? has she changed? has she gotten better? what are you seeing? >> it's hard to tell because she's just rolling out. and the last time she ran, obviously she ran for president, and that was 6 1/2 years ago.

what you see with hillary, though, i think is that she generally is a cautious disciplined candidate with highly experienced people that surround her, people that are battle tested. they don't make many tactical mistakes. they exploit mistakes on the other side. so you've really got to be on your game. at that time she had no record so she didn't have to defend the obama administration. she didn't have to defend her record as secretary of state calling assad a reformer calling mubarak a family friend. will she be able to divorce herself from the chaos throughout the world? and what's her big-picture issue here? we really didn't have any real discussion, i thought, in 2000 about where we were going to take the country. of course, that was a senate race. now she's running for president. and it's a very different world now. so you've got the walter scott killing that wouldn't be on our tv screens but for the fact that somebody had a hand-held.

technology changing the scope of the world. the size of the world. the relationships that we have around the world. that's changed dramatically. >> a very different environment. >> what would you advise somebody who is in a debate with her? >> stay at the podium. >> can i stop for a second there? because this was -- i want to ask you about this. this was the most famous moment in your campaign against hillary clinton. you challenged her on the stage. sorry to bring it back to that but let's play that for people so they can remember. >> that was a wonderful performance. >> i want you to sign it. i'm not asking you to admire it. i'm asking you to sign it. >> well i would be happy to. >> right per. right here. right here. sign it right now. >> we'll shake on this rick. >> no i want your signature because i think everybody wants to see, you signing something that you said you are for. >> so rick the first thing you said was stay at the podium. you were going for sort of a dramatic moment there. why do you think it didn't work in hindsight? >> so this was about soft money in campaign finance reform. and there was a verbal pledge that both sides made to keep

outside money out. and so it was a bad tactical mistake for me. and i do regret it because it allowed them to turn that on me. i don't think that was really, for people that knew me i look at that now, it doesn't -- >> it made you look too confrontational, too aggressive. >> too aggressive and particularly not chivalrous. and i think it was almost as if they were very good in the operatives in terms of turning this and trying to communicate to every woman who had ever had some ex-husband put a credit card statement in front of them and said you know what's this charge here? >> so there was a gender aspect. if you were running against, you know, chuck schumer or something instead of hillary clinton, maybe it would have looked -- >> it would have had a different dynamic. it would have had a different dynamic. it was a mistake, for sure. for sure. >> but short of leaving the podium. by the way, if you want to sign

anything, i'll give you a pen. and that's what i was -- you got me where i was going to go on that. but you kind of -- how do you get into her head? even if it's not a debate what did you learn that you would tell your brother republicans right now? >> again, i would say, you know presume that you're going to be on defense at some point. presume that they're looking for -- that her campaign organization is going to look for an opportunity to turn it on you and to symbolically have you positioned as out of step in terms of being a sexist or an ageist or whatever it is that might be -- >> so you think they're going to play the gender card? >> i think they're going to use it as a shield and use it offensively if they can. that campaign operation is going to be a very skilled, very tough campaign team. and they're going to take every advantage they possibly can. and you see, you know, on these latest poll numbers from quinnipiac that it's not a

give-me, you know. so you've got the early states -- >> well, actually the new bloomberg poll that came out today said only 11% of women even like rand paul. so there's gender issues. >> yeah. republicans generally have a gender issue. >> that's a question too. when you look at the republican field, do you see a candidate there who is specifically well suited or not well suited for that matter to go up against hillary clinton? >> well not sure yet. i think, you know one thing republicans, both the plus and the minus for the republicans is that they will have a real primary. and that people will be tested and some people will come up short, and some people will look pretty good. and i'd be surprised, although not much. >> i think it's a matter of how you speak to secretary clinton. and i think republicans have to be very very careful of alienating women voters especially by not being condescending or by not seeming to be overly mean in questioning or in disagreeing with her. as long as that disagreement is fundamental and has to do with policy and it's substantive, that's one thing. but i think republicans have to

be very very careful in terms of how they engage secretary clinton in the campaign. >> republicans seem to like to call out the playing of the gender card and the playing of the race card. they love to say i don't want to play by your politically correct rules all the time. does that work or does that just come across as being defensive and whiney and not actually dealing with the issues that are being put in front of them? >> but the name of the game is 50 plus one. it's persuasion. you've got to do well with independent voters and peel off democratic voters if you're going to win. the question for me will be will the republican candidate be in a position where they'll be able to engage on issues that are really affecting women, for example, and minorities? so stagnating real wages. income disparity. you know, productivity dropping. jobs, small businesses disappearing. and 20 million american families now that pay more than 50% of their income for housing. >> and these are some of the themes, too, it looks like

hillary will be trying to stress, too, in these coming days. i want to close with one more question, though. just looking back if you can think back to the start of your campaign against hillary clinton and the end of it, is there anything that you look back and said boy, that surprised me about her? i didn't expect she was going to be good at this or vulnerable on that? was there a big surprise about her? >> no, she had started about a year earlier than me. so she had started her listening tour which was perfect for her because she was able to roll herself out, not take question not engage with the press and really become a better candidate and get better known. so that was a huge advantage for her. i think generally a campaign if there was any surprise -- and it really wasn't that much of a surprise -- is it was a very disciplined, well-organized executed campaign. don't expect her to make lots of mistakes. she's not likely to make a lot of forced errors. >> and being a grandmother now, how do you think that would impact things? >> hard to tell. i don't know. lots of grandmothers out there. >> it is and it looks like she

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president obama himself calling the meeting he held with cuban president raul castro yesterday historic. the last face-to-face talks between an american president and a cuban leader before yesterday had been back in 1956.

those were between president eisenhower and batista, the cuban dictator. president obama also called the meeting a turning point. >> i told president castro in private what i've said in public. that our governments will continue to have our differences differences, and the united states will continue to stand firmly for universal values and human rights. at the same time, we agreed that we can continue to take steps forward that advance our mutual interests. we'll continue to work toward re-establishing diplomatic relations, reopening embassies in havana and washington and encouraging greater contexts and commerce and exchanges between our citizens. i'm optimistic that we'll continue to make progress and that this can, indeed, be a turning point. >> now castro for his part says he agrees with obama, but he did urge patience. nbc's perry bacon jr. is at the white house this morning. so perry, what more can you tell us about as the president says a truly historic meeting? >> reporter: it was. well, good morning, steve. you know the president talked

about normalizing relations with cuba in december. and this was a big first step was this meeting they had yesterday, a very historic meeting. the next two steps are, one, currently the u.s. government has cuba on its list of state sponsors of terrorism. so that's the next step. the president talked about it a bit yesterday. there's a study and review going that's likely to see the u.s. remove cuba from that list. embassies opening up in havana and here in washington. i should also note since it's kind of hillary clinton day, clinton was a big advocate in her big book she wrote about needing to change our policy on cuba. she wanted to normalize relations as well. this is one issue where hillary clinton agrees with president obama. and the republican candidates all strongly disagree with president obama. >> perry bacon jr. live for us at the white house. a beautiful spring morning behind you. >> reporter: it really is. >> joining us to discuss the future of u.s./cuba relations, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations, bill richardson.

also the former democratic governor of new mexico. he joins us now. thank you very much for joining us, sir. let me just start with the simple question of where do things go from here? they had the handshake. they had the meeting. there are moves to restore diplomatic relations. can you see a point in the near future where completely normalized relations exist, and that includes the free flow of travel between the countries? >> yes, i do steve. i think this is one of the foreign policy achievements of president obama, after 50 years, this needed to happen. first, latin american antagonism the 30 or so countries will be reduced because we took this step. it was an albatross in our relationship with all of latin america. the next steps are going to be, one, the designating cuba off the terrorism list. that's been a big antagonism on cuba. they want that off. >> should they be off that list? >> yeah they should be off,

steve. you know i've worked on this issue before. they actually cooperate with us on homeland security issues on drug control issues. what will be difficult will be the embargo. that is controlled by congress. and republicans in congress are not going to want to give the president a triumph in allowing more american investment there. a big problem is also going to be cuba is very slow to democratize, to improve on human rights. you know they're hard-line communists. that's going to be tough to get them to stop repressing some of the dissidents in their country. that's going to be a little stumbling block. and they're not going to change. but i thought a big positive was good warm personal relations with the two presidents. that's going to go a long way. i think you give obama credit for having taken this very dramatic step. >> to put this this context in terms of how americans are thinking about this this was an msnbc telemundo poll this week

asking people, do you approve of restored u.s./cuba diplomatic relations? among all americans, 59% saying yes. nearly 6 in 10. among latinos, 56%. again, nearly 6 in 10. so pretty broad popular support for what the president's doing here. but you mentioned the issue of political dissidents. there are political prisoners still in cuba. there are many political prisoners still in cuba. what would you say to somebody -- and marco rubio is out there making this case saying in light of that kind of repression that you're talking about, what business does the united states have becoming forging a more friendly relationship with the leaders of that country? >> well to improve the human rights situation in cuba to stop quashing dissidents to open up the internet, to have freedom of the press. i think more american investment more american involvement, having an exchange of embassies, more people-to-people program. i think the president's right, allow more travel by students businessmen, allow

cuban-americans to go back and forth a lot more. the people-to-people exchanges are going to be what expose i believe, cuba to opening up their democratic system. it's very tough, you're right. i think rubio is right in that we have to push hard on the democracy front. let there be dissension in the country towards the government. let them move someday towards fair and free elections, although i wouldn't hold my breath. this is a tough communist regime. this is like the breznev russia days. these guys are going to be very tough. so it's not going to be immediate. but i think the steps taken, opening up embassies, exchanging cultural educational attaches political attaches is going to be good. the big, tough question will be the humanization of cuba but also opening up the embargo in congress. that's going to take a while, steve.

and that's going to be probably something that keeps the relationship from bearing the strongest possible fruit. >> governor just to switch topics in the minute we have left here, i do want to get to the big news of the day. hillary clinton getting into the presidential race. you sought the democratic nomination as well with her back in 2008. she'll be entering any minute now. are you on board with the second hillary presidential campaign? >> no -- no you know we've had our differences, but i see her campaign as an unstoppable train. you know i wouldn't jump in there because i think she's too strong. she's got a great asset in president clinton. i think she's got a good record. so you know the fact that she and i don't see eye to eye because i endorsed president obama last time is not an issue. i'm out of this stuff. i'm happy here in santa fe just watching you guys talk about all this. but i think her candidacy -- her candidacy is you know first woman candidate, qualified.

she's learning from mistakes she made. i hope she ditches her entourage. it sounds like she will in the campaign. she's going to people's living rooms. that's the way to go because she -- her biggest opponents, steve, are one the inevitability that she's going to win. and secondly the press. you guys want a contest. so she's got to defeat those. that will be her two biggest opponents. >> no idea what you're talking about there. a mystery to me. former governor and ambassador bill richardson appreciate you taking the time this morning. thank you. and still ahead on the show he may be the most powerful man on earth, but his job isn't one young people are eager to pursue for themselves. we'll tell you more about that coming up. but first, indictments rumored to be just around the corner in governor chris christie's bridgegate scandal. we have the late east that next. ♪ ♪ when you're living with diabetes

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57% who say that they couldn't. christie still has time to undo this damage of course and he does have real skill as an off-the-cuff communicator. so maybe you get him on the debate stage with the other republican candidates. it's possible he'll have one of those breakthrough moments. but to pull off a comeback like that, if he's going to be able to do that christie first needs to break free once and for all from bridgegate. for more than a year now, we have heard his denials, denying first that there was anything to the story at all. then when the time for some traffic problems e-mail from one of his top aides came to light denying that anyone on his team was up to anything mischievous. we have heard him paint the individuals who have been directly implicated in the closures as aides and appointees who went rogue, as liars who deceived him. and we've seen christie's very thorough attempt at self-exoneration. the masteral report released almost exactly a year ago. who we haven't heard from though the feds and that is about to change. who will they indict? no one expects christie himself

to be indicted but how close will they come to him? and what new details will be revealed in any indictment? will there be clues? will there be accusations that christie knew more than he's let on? we also haven't heard from just about any of the principal players in the shutdown. they've not spoken publicly even as christie has attacked their integrity and laid the blame all on them. but they have been dealing with federal prosecutors. we will probably hear from them through these indictments or through this indictment. we may hear from them publicly after the indictment comes down as well. christie has endured real political damage over the last year but he has survived too. and now he's about to face a real test of whether he can put bridgegate behind him or if it will end his white house dreams once and for all. nbc new york's brian thompson joins us now. he's been all over the story. and brian, welcome. we wanted to go through with you with these reports swirling of indictments. i know this has been a drama for a while. when is this going to happen? it looks like it really will be soon. we wanted to give everybody a refresher course on who the key

players in all this are. we have sort of baseball cards here. we'll start quickly, paul fishman is the u.s. attorney sort of running all this. let's get to the players who may be the subjects of indictments. let's start with david samson. remind us who he is his significance. >> chairman of the port authority, he is the instrument that should be watching all that happens within the port authority. or was the chairman. now he's at the point where he has resigned from his law firm as we get closer to these indictments. could come this week come come a week after. we've been saying for about two months they could come any week. but it is soon we know that. the key so samson though is this. when fishman, you were just showing the u.s. attorney, when he comes out with this package that he's doing, think of it as a master package of indictments. for example, we have no evidence that samson actually had anything to do with the lane closures. we do have evidence that the u.s. attorney is looking into a whole bunch of alleged schick

contain chicaner chicanery, power moves by samson so enrich himself, his law firm whatever. >> all sorts of other stuff that came out as a result. >> the collateral damage. so think about that in terms of samson because if he's indicted then it's a big master package that the u.s. attorney is coming out with which throws a kitchen sink at everything. >> that's david samson. another name bridget anne kelly. time for some traffic problems in fort lee. that was her e-mail. >> that was her e-mail. and a lot of people have speculated that she might turn. she might flip. she might be the person who gives up everything. and everything we've seen up till now is no. she's not talking. she's gritting this out. she is probably within the office of the governor the closest person to the governor because she was deputy chief of staff. one of several, however. and nobody considered her to be a heavyweight in that office.

she was basically considered to be the person who would do things as she was told or as she believed she was supposed to do. and some people think that this so-called abuse of power tag that they've tried to put on the christie administration runs right through her in assuming that this is what my boss wants. this is what he gets. >> all right. another key player here. this is david wildstein. he was one of the directors of the port authority. i should also point out my usual full disclosure i once did work for david wildstein. i do owe my career to him in some ways. what's the deal on wildstein? >> here's the deal. he's the one that went out there and put out the cones, for all intents and purposes. he was watching that morning. it may have been his brainstorm. we don't know that yet. he's the guy everybody believes flipped. he's the guy everybody believes is talking. and if this is true and we don't know this but if this is indeed true, he's the guy who may not be named in the indictments.

the guy who was at the center of it all may not be named. because they'll file -- if indeed he is talking, what will happen according to one of my attorney friends, is that he'll be the one who's filed an information on. he'll be the one who testifies. he'll be the one who cops a plea to a lesser charge. and he'll turn in the -- >> the potential star witness, in other words. >> exactly. >> very interesting. let's end on bill barone. he worked with wildstein. >> he was wildstein's boss. he was indeed his boss. many people think he picked wildstein. he's kind of caught in the middle. he is a very tight friend of governor christie. so far he's kept his law license. he's working in the clerk -- some minor functionary in a big law firm they were able to throw him a bone. he's not especially wealthy. a very affable charming guy. no question about it. i knew him fairly well.

we had a good relationship. but he and wildstein were at the center of the fabrication of a traffic study that never existed. it was a cover-up. everybody knows it was a cover-up. and so the question is how far will they make him fall for something that nobody is clear that was really his idea? >> interesting. well we will keep an eye on it. as we say we have had the reports for a while now. but it does appear -- >> don't hold your breath. >> i know. i've been doing it for a few months now. brian thompson, thank you for that. we'll have you back when these do come down. meanwhile, hillary's announcement video is not the only thing that is must-see tv tonight. we'll have more on that. first, will rand paul's famous last name help him or hurt him among republicans? ♪ ♪ ♪ you're only young once.

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again following everything happening with rand paul. anthony, welcome. thank you for joining us. >> i had, steve.hi, steve. >> certain questions, okay it does seem to me one of the questions that really annoys him is when you start asking him about his father. he doesn't want to be asking about his father at all. >> right. he said he's his own man. he ran in 2010. he has a record to run on. however, he's really leaning on his father's campaign in the early states right now. and a lot of the folks joining rand paul's current campaign are from the ron paul organization. you saw he went on an early state tour in many of those states, they were former ron paul campaign apparatus there. and so what he's trying to do he's separating himself a little built to become more mainstream. but keep the loyalty of his followers. now, at the events i were at, there were no chants of "in the fed." there was no abolish the irs. return to the gold standard. there was no legalize all drugs or end the war on drugs, but it

was more sentencing reform. he's trying to become a more mainstream candidate to become more palpable for the mainstream republicans. the coalition he'll need to build on the libertarian support he's got. zbro what separates his father -- there were a lot of factors, i think -- but what the republican establishment ultimately really had against his father was foreign policy. noninterventionist views on foreign policy. rand paul has separated himself a little bit from that but he has still clearly carved out the more noninterventionist turf. this is what he's up against. charles krauthammer, he was on fox news this week talking about rand paul and foreign policy. this is what he had to say. >> whatever name you want to put on paul's position isolationist or noninterventionist, he is without a doubt, the one republican who will be running who is the closest to obama in his view of foreign policy. arguably, he's to the left of obama on nsa, on surveillance on the use of drones

essentially on the war on terror terror. >> i mean, that's what he's up against in terms of sort of the republican establishment. is it realistic for him to grow that base of support beyond what his father had? >> well what the campaign told me they're looking to do is keep the anti-war base and expand it to conservatives who are over war, who are over -- spending money overseas. they call themselves fiscally conservatives, however, they're spending trillions of dollars overseas. however, how can we be capable of building nations overseas? and he says his objective is strength through peace. and he keeps quoting ronald reagan as saying reagan negotiated with the russians for decades. why can't we negotiate with some of our enemies? >> but, see, all that won't bring him -- you know the plus of a crowded primary field for rand paul is that he has a niche. and when you're dealing in a caucus, in a primary, he goes in with a running start. but nothing you're telling me is something that a blend of these

other candidates can't be selling and doesn't say how you truly bring back the base. he is where he is today only because of his father which gave him the running start. and i think -- krauthammer was talking about i think if we extended the conversation another five minutes here, you're going to get to israel. and within the republican primary base and some of the big funders, once you get to rand paul's views on israel and you ask him what he thinks of his father's views, you're going to have a big divide in the republican party. >> that is one of the areas where rand paul has sort of changed his views. that was the argument he had with savannah guthrie. that was part of that. he's changed that. >> that's right. >> for now. >> yeah for now. when i was in south carolina i spoke to some evangelical who said he can expand on that by getting the evangelical vote on criminal justice reform. so it's not just foreign policy. he's going to focus on domestic issues, domestic issues like economic freedom zones and the criminal justice reform. >> but there, see, he has to have -- there's just too many

republicans. you have to be uniquerue unique. whatever he would start with. maybe 28 if that much. and he's intriguing. and he polls, again, as the people -- as the man people are curious about. but i don't see in anything you said where he can expand that. >> the other challenge for any voter in the republican primaries is not just voting for the candidate who you like but who you think can be competitive in a general election. and that becomes the big challenge. >> i tell you what. we talk about all the great numbers hillary clinton has on the democratic side and a lot of national numbers. there were polls in swing states this week that showed rand paul ahead of hillary clinton. yeah, iowa, colorado competitive in virginia. something to keep an eye on. it's interesting with rand paul. we always say bush is the big front-runner on the republican side. i've seen a number of polls that show paul doing as well as bush. >> no op-ed yet. >> that is a very good point as well. anthony terrell, thank you for stopping by. appreciate it. up next, how do brooklynites

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viewers across all platforms, whatever that means. anybody here a "game of thrones" fan? >> much like john snow i know nothing about "game of thrones." >> half the cast died and apparently this was the culmination of four years of stuff. anyway, it was very bloody. the other one back that you might like the hbo series "veep" also returning. one of the producers spelling details, supreme court justice elena kagan says this is the favorite thing to talk about can scalia. >> i love this show. i love every cast member. because it's a true comedy. "west wing" was too much like going to work because they tried to relive the real life thing. the "news room" was real life

things. this is pure zaniness. >> which is how the white house is, pure zani necessary. >> on the "west wing," they never paused. >> you compare it. no that's not how it is in real life. the "veep" isn't like real life. the look is right and they have some of the physical things right. but they're not coining situations where they say that's not how it happened. it's a fictional thing. >> a reminder that so much of what happens in washington are people full of themselves who don't have a lot of power and are wasting their time. >> let's get another one in here. the christian science monitor why millennials don't want to run for political office loosely defined as people born in the early 1980s to early 2000s. as i look at this i find out i'm not a millennial. there's new research out that says these millennials are not

apathetic toward the major issues of the day but largely reject the idea that these problems can be solved through pot politics. >> very, very smart. other ways to get the word out, social media, of course. they realize in politics people get beaten up. anybody in politics get beaten up. >> beaten up by social media, too. >> these are jobs that have benefits. >> spoken like a chalkicago reporter. >> i think the thing that will happen is people see through social media and whatever you don't depend on government for all the same things but you will when it comes due. i think people may not appreciate what government is until you get -- >> millennial doesn't need social security. we're out of time. my thanks to lynn sweet, bill share, joe watkins, thank you forgetting up with us.

>> up next melissa harris-perry. we will see you weekend when one of the stars of "veep," tony hale will be with us. until then, have great week.

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