about priority boarding is you can just get on the plane and relax. i put everything on the explorer card. i really want my united miles. this sunday, she's in it to win it, again. >> i am all about new beginnings. another new hairstyle. a new e-mail account. >> hillary announces today. why this time her biggest opponent may be herself. also, rand in the race. >> i think the thing is about the clintons is that there is a certain sense that they think they're above the law. >> but after this week, some are asking whether he has the temperament to be president. i'll bring you my interview with the senator from kentucky. plus, cameras on cops and that police shooting in south carolina. >> i saw him running like you would kill an animal. >> how would that story have been covered if no one had come

forward with the video? i'm chuck todd. joining me for insight and analysis this sunday morning are david brooks of the new york city times maria hinojosa host of "latino usa," the mayor of baltimore stephanie rawlings-blake and radio talk show host hugh hewitt. good morning. it is unsurprising and predictable, but it is big news just the same. hillary clinton is making official what everyone knew was inevitable, she is running for president of the united states again. this time she hopes to do it with a lighter touch. on twitter and facebook, sometime this afternoon. it will be less 2008 and more 2000, when she ran that successful campaign for u.s. office, new york senate. officially the campaign is called hillary for america. a not so subtle illusion to president obama's two successful campaigns.

in a moment, we'll talk to the campaign manager of hillary clinton's successful senate run, the man who is now mayor of new york city, bill de blasio. first, let's take a look at the beginning of a campaign in which hillary clinton's biggest opponent may very well be hillary clinton. >> i am in. i'm in to win. i'm in. i'm in to win. i'm running for president. and i'm in it to win it. >> on social media today, in iowa this week, clinton will attempt to do what she failed to do eight years ago. go small. >> she launched as clinton inc. it was a juggernaut suffused with presumptions of inevitability and entitlement, and it was the wrong approach. humility is the order of the day. >> eight years ago, clinton toured iowa by air. >> i'm having a great time on the hilla-copter. >> and dismissed early state activists. >> you know my sense of caucus states. they are primarily dominated by activists.

they don't represent the electorate. >> this time she'll stop in iowa living rooms. the model, say clinton advisers, her 2000 campaign for senate in new york where she reintroduced herself with a listening tour. >> over here. >> sweetheart. isn't she? >> she became an effective candidate when voters felt they were connecting with her authentic self, when they felt she was really speaking from her heart and from her gut and not from talking points. >> i just don't want to see us fall backwards. i know. >> hillary clinton's challenge is not all that different from sitting vice presidents, like george h.w. bush in 1987 or al gore in 1999. how to create a first impression again. >> i am all about new beginnings. another new hairstyle. a new e-mail account. >> the candid candidate in the public eye for more than two decades really reinvent herself. and can she do what ted kennedy

could not do three decades ago, articulate a compelling message. >> why do you want to be president? >> well, i'm -- >> one of my complaints for this year or two of ready for hillary e-mails is that it wasn't clear what you were ready for. >> clinton advisers say her campaign will center on boosting economic security for working families, and casting clinton as a tenacious fighter, able to get results. >> i anticipate she's going to begin the campaign with an actual genuine big idea that is really going to focus specifically on the middle class. >> as clinton tries to prove inevitable does not mean she's taking anything for granted. i'm joined now by new york city mayor bill de blasio, he served as hillary clinton's campaign manager when she ran successfully for the senate in 2000. mayor de blasio, welcome back to

"meet the press." so let me ask you about what you're hearing, about how she's launching her campaign, that it is all about copying the blueprint you put together in 2000, smart? >> well, certainly a team effort in 2000 and it worked and one of the important points was she did go out and listen to what was happening to everyday people. and i think that's going to be more necessary this year than ever before because people in this country are hurting. the great recession set people back on their heels in a way we had not seen in decades and decades. i think it is important for hillary to hear those stories to the american people. i think it will make her a stronger candidate. >> you have wanted to talk about pushing her more to a progressive agenda. you're not alone here. there is a lot of democrats on the progressive side of the party that are trying to push her in that direction. i've had somebody say to me they hope it is hillary rodham that runs for president and not hillary clinton. what do you say to that? >> i think she has a very progressive history. we saw that in her early work on behalf of children and families. we saw when she took on the big insurance companies.

to try to achieve health care reform in the early 1990s. there is a lot there that progressives will appreciate, but, look, here is the bottom line. the income he inequality crisis in this country is out of control. the worst income inequality since the great depression getting worse. a typical american family in real income terms is making less today than they were a quarter century ago. that has to be addressed. i think progressives all over the country, everyday americans are demanding that their candidates for president and every other level really say that we have a plan we can believe in for addressing income inequality. it has to include the willingness to tax the wealthy so we can invest in infrastructure, invest in education again. that's what i think progressives and everyday americans will be looking for from hillary and all other candidates. >> there is a lot of democrats worried that she doesn't yet have a message, that it is not clear that she has answered the why question.

>> grant budowski writes this american voters don't want to be sold a new hillary, which is reminiscent of an earlier politician whose handlers invented the term new nixon. they want to be trusted enough to be led into the world of the real hillary, informed enough about her vision and plans for america to believe that their lives will be made better if she is elected president. # >> how does she make her message the star if there's no new message yet. >> there's certainly time. it's only april of 2015. i think the reality here is there is a tremendous opportunity for her to present a vision because of how different the circumstances are today than when she was last a candidate. 2008 was a very different time. we've now had the greatest economic crisis since the great depression. again, families falling backwards economically, tremendous economic insecurity. people who do not assume now across the country the next

generation will be better. and the economic recovery we've seen most of that 95% of all additional earnings since this recovery have gone to the top 1% of americans. in that context, there's a lot of new material. there's a lot of new issues for hillary to address, and it's a chance for her to offer a bold vision. >> obviously her opponents are going to try to make her a candidate of the past. rand paul, first look here, rand paul's first tv ad is an attack on hillary clinton. here is a quick clip. i'll get you to react to it. >> what path will america take, a path to the past, a road to yesterday, a place we have been to before? hillary clinton represents the worst of the washington machine. >> how does she overcome? this is rand paul's first -- first he'll run in the early states later this week, how does she -- presidential campaigns are about the future. her last name, obviously, signifies the past. how does she deal with that? >> i think the substance and the vision does it.

look, rand paul, republicans, at this point, are the party of trickle down economics. and that has failed the american people. too many democrats have not offered an alternative. you know i believe strongly that's what happened in 2014, democrats did not offer a progressive economic vision. and voters didn't move to democrats. a lot of democratic voters stayed home because they didn't hear anything meaningful from their fellow democratic candidates. so i think there is an opportunity here to break with the past, to break with what is wrong with washington, by offering a bold vision that actually talks to what the american people are going through. look, progressives around the country are saying this. this has created a primary-like dynamic on the substance. progressives are demanding from all of our candidates an actual vision on economic change. we had a meeting of progressive leaders last week. we'll offer it next month, a progressive contract with america to say, if you're serious, you got to be ready to tax the wealthy, you got to be ready to raise wages and benefits, you got to be ready to have tax fairness in this country. that's a chance to say, hey,

we'll break with a washington formula that failed the people of this country over the last quarter century. >> the last quarter century had a clinton as president for eight years of that last quarter century. that's going to be difficult. let me ask you this, are you for her now, unequivocally, or do you want to wait to see if she takes your advice on moving to a more progressive agenda? >> like a lot of people in this country i want to see a vision. that would be true of candidates on all levels. it is time to see a clear, bold vision for progressive and economic change. >> you're technically not yet endorsing her? >> not until i see and, again, i say this about any candidate, until i see a vision of where she wants to go, i think she's a tremendous public servant, one of the most qualified to run for this office and thoroughly vetted, we can say that. but we need to see the substance. >> do you want to see her get a tough primary? >> i think what is happening now almost synthesizes the reality of the primary. clearly what is helping in the progressive wing is a demand for a candidate to come forward with a vision creating some of the same positive pressure you see

in the primary process. she doesn't need to be vetted. i think we can safely say that. but i think she has to address the issues and that could be done with or without a primary. >> mayor bill de blasio, the first campaign manager for hillary clinton when she first ran for office. thanks for coming on "meet the press." >> thank you, chuck. >> let me bring in the panel. david brooks, maria hinojosa, stephanie rawlings-blake, hugh hewitt. maria, a vision. that was interesting. mayor de blasio, not ready to technically endorse her because of this -- you talk to the progressive community. is there a real hesitance or just trying to pressure her? >> you see the hesitance there. he was her campaign manager. you would expect him to say i'm in. what i'm hearing at least, from immigration activists, they want to continue the push to a more progressive side of things. that's going to come in interesting ways. it comes down to the questions, humility and authenticity, how do you make that happen?

the one time i saw hillary clinton, i covered her a lot, when it really clicked is when there were no cameras, she had barely no makeup on, little gloss and some mascara, had just flown in, and she was speaking from the heart because she knew she wasn't being covered. how do you replicate that? >> how many, david -- you heard story after story. we all had off the records with her where there is this warm person and she struggles in the public light. i'm curious, there is a whole bunch of polls this week, i'll show you about honest and trustworthiness. in iowa, upside down. in virginia, even worse. colorado, even worse, 56%. this is part a little bit of the authenticity issue and the e-mail issue. >> i'm waiting to see if bill clinton is ready to endorse yet. he's still on the fence there. >> were you surprised that mayor de blasio -- >> i was surprised. it is the pressure thing. i think she's not going to win the authenticity, the integrity, the honesty thing, unless she has issues. that's what de blasio is saying. the most underappreciated skill

for a politician is imagination, putting new things together in new ways, to have creativity. she's shown a lot of great skills over the course of her skill, but not that one. i think they're asking her to show some skills and offer a package. and the instinct from the campaign staff is, you have a monopoly here, let's not put out anything, let's hang out, be grandma, but that is the wrong strategy. i think de blasio is right. >> this goes to caution and her being risk averse. that's her history. she's a very, very cautious person. >> i think she is right to be cautious. but when you see the retread of the republicans' arguments it is frustrating. i say all the things that they say are wrong about hillary clinton doesn't make any of the republican arguments or the candidates any better. i think that the thing that is strong about the democratic party is we have a solid field. we're excited about hillary clinton. we're excited about all of the other people. >> are you endorsing her? >> as dnc secretary, i cannot. >> fair enough. >> but i am proud.

i am very proud. i don't think you should read too much into de blasio's comments because people don't want a coronation. you ask someone to come out ahead of her announcement, that's what that speaks to. people want a race, people want to hear from her. i think that's what he's saying. >> hugh, the republican party, this morning, they made sure they came in, they said they have something -- the rnc says they have a stop hillary, they have t-shirts, they went to the news divisions and did this. i look at an obsession on the right of beating obama and beating clinton, bill clinton over the years, and i think they're 0 for 4. is there a point you do this too much? >> oh, no. not with hillary. that was a little surreal when the mayor said she had been thoroughly vetted. that was the talking point they asked her, i think, to make sure she got out there. of course, she hadn't been thoroughly vetted. brent calling her the new nixon, this is like a new coke moment as well. it is actually kind of a weekend

at bernie's moment. i think they're afraid they have a candidate they have to prop up from now until november of 16 that there isn't any substance, there isn't any charisma and most of all, she's not trustworthy. and that's what those polls you show, the quinnipiac polls, she fails on the trustworthy question again and again. >> it seems as if, though, this is a challenge for her, to break out of this. >> and how far left she goes is the big one. you know, there is the massive inequality problem, but democrats have not persuaded the country that government is the solution to it. if you're among whites with high school degrees, in places like ohio, they're falling and she has to make the case. >> more infighting isn't the answer either. i see -- what we're hearing is more of the same -- >> and they would argue, the clintons, they would rather be allowed argument. they think they know how to win that campaign. we'll pause here. talk more hillary clinton later in the show, i promise. in a moment, secretary of state john kerry, why do the u.s. and iran have different ideas on

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hello. it was unthinkable years ago, president obama hailed a meeting this weekend with cuba's raul castro, brother of fidel. as a moment that will turn the page between the u.s. and that old cold war enemy, just off the coast of florida. the meeting comes as the countries gradually normalize relations. i'm joined by secretary of state john kerry.

mr. secretary, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you. glad to be with you. >> let's clarify something. there has been anonymous sources that say you have recommended taking cuba off the state sponsor of terrorism list to the president. have you done that? >> well, chuck, as you well know, i don't discuss publicly whatever advice or recommendations i make to the president. so the president will make his decision at an appropriate time. we have forwarded the recommendation of the state department and now is in the interagency process. and he will make the decision. >> if -- i take it, though, the fact that there is a process means you recommended a change? >> well, either way it has to be evaluated, chuck. i'm not going to tip my hand as to what we're doing, but we made a recommendation. >> let me move to iran. iran is on the state sponsor of terror list. why -- how is it you can do a nuclear agreement and trust a country to abide by that agreement that you also believe

that our government believes is a state sponsor of terror? >> well, the bottom line is the word you used, trust. we don't trust. there is no element of trust in what we're doing. you have to build trust and that takes place over a long period of time. this is an agreement that is based on transparency, accountability, verification. you have to be able to know what is happening. and we believe, you know, the president's responsibility and my responsibility in support of him is to guarantee and protect the security of our country and of our friends and allies. and we believe that this agreement does that. we know that the american people overwhelmingly would like to see if we could resolve this question of iran's nuclear program peacefully. and that's what we're trying to do. but it requires a protocol of visibility, of accountability, of insight, of transparency, so that we know what iran is doing.

and over a long period of time, we believe that we can indeed do what is necessary to make the guarantees that are important to everyone. now, what is key here is that what we have done shuts off the four principle pathways to a bomb. we think that we -- we don't think, the science tells us that we have an ability to know what iran is doing, and to be able to shut off those pathways to a bomb. that makes the world safer. >> and there are plenty of people that say if you're -- what you say the agreement is is the agreement, there are plenty of people, even some republicans, who say that it is a good agreement. however, the leader of iran, the

ayatollah, and everybody knows this is the guy that calls the shots, he tweets this out in english, i trust our negotiators, but i'm really worried as the other side is into lying and breaching promise, an example was the white house fact sheet. you look at the differences, whether it is president rouhani and what he said or what the ayatollah has said, the united states said there is going to be a gradual relief of sanctions based on progress. the iranians say there is immediate sanction relief. the u.s. says there is limits on uranium enrichment. the iranians say there is no mention of uranium enrichment. why are they publicly lying if that's what they're doing? >> well, i'm not going to get into accusations back and forth. that doesn't help our process. it is not going to -- >> are they being truthful? are the iranians being truthful here? >> let me say this, chuck, they're going to say the things they feel they need to say with respect to their deal at home. and all i can tell you is this, when we did the interim

agreement, there were the same kinds of discrepancies or spin if you want to call it that with respect to what the deal was or wasn't. but in the end, the deal was signed, and the deal has been agreed to, and lived up to, no one contests iran lived up to every component of that agreement and the deal is what we said it was. now, with respect to the fact sheet we put out, just yesterday, the russians released a statement saying that the statement released by the united states is both reliable and factual. so i will stand by every word that i have uttered publicly, and i will be briefing the united states congress in full, the house tomorrow, the senate the next day, and we will lay out all of the details to them, some of which are obviously classified, but we will have a long discussion about what the facts are. >> if the iranians insist that immediate sanction relief has to take place, immediate, that all sanctions have to be gone, will you walk away from that deal? >> again, i'm not going to get

into one side's or another side's characterization of what the deal or isn't. we made clear when our needs are, what our expectations are. we have made it very clear that if we can't achieve our goals, we will not sign a deal. we said that again and again to congress, to the world. we want a good deal. we believe that the outlines, the parameters that we have laid out thus far are the outlines of that good deal. is it perfect yet? no. are there things that need to be done? yes. that's why we have another two and a half months of negotiations. and what we're looking for is not to have congress interfere with our ability, inappropriately, by stepping on the prerogatives of the executive department, of the president, and putting in place conditions and terms that are going to get in the way of -- >> mr. secretary, you've run for president before. there is big news this morning. hillary clinton, your

predecessor at the state department, is running for president. you came through a tough primary in 2004. you think she needs a tough primary? does that make you a better candidate if you have a real primary or is coronation healthy for the democratic party? >> the virtue of my job right now, chuck, is that i'm out of politics. i don't have to comment back and forth on that. i wish her well. i think she did a terrific job as secretary. she's a good friend. she's highly qualified. and i'm confident we'll wage no matter what, with, without a primary, a formidable campaign and we'll go from there. >> mr. secretary, thanks for coming back on "meet the press." your 37th appearance, tied for seventh all time on the show. >> thank you. in a moment, a unique look at the police shooting in south carolina, how differently the story would have been covered had no one recorded video of the incident. incident.

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see did not air anywhere. it is a version of how television would have had to cover the story if there were no video. and it had to rely entirely on information from the north charleston police department. every quote in here is real, released in the initial aftermath of the incident. >> a routine traffic stop turned deadly saturday when police say a north charleston officer was forced to open fire on a driver who tried to overpower him. it began when officer michael slager pulled over 50-year-old walter scott for a broken taillight and scott suddenly fled the scene. slager said he pursued scott, and his lawyer told the local newspaper when confronted, officer slager reached for his taser, as trained by the department. and then a struggle ensued. the driver tried to overpower officer slager in an effort to take his taser. police say scott was able to gain control of the taser, and that feeling threatened slager then reached for his gun and opened fire. scott was hit and fell to the ground. >> shots fired.

subject is down. he grabbed my taser. >> police say other officers rushed to the scene, delivering first aid and performing cpr. scott was pronounced dead at the scene. walter scott has a long rap sheet that includes charges of assault and battery and failure to pay child support. in a statement, north charleston police chief said this is part of the job that no one likes and wishes would never happen. this type of situation is unfortunate, and difficult for everyone. >> remember, everything you saw there was based entirely only on the information that was released by the police after the incident. the only way we could have covered the story without the video. and so what we learned once the video was released was a very different story. walter scott was running away when he was shot. he was shot in the back. no cpr was performed and it isn't clear at all that walter scott grabbed the officer's taser. let me bring in the panel. mayor blake, you're a mayor of a big city. you're in charge of a police department here. the importance of, to me,

cameras on cops, is 100%. >> we announced we'll have our pilot program for body cameras, police body cameras up this year. it is very important as leaders to work to rebuild the bonds of trust that have been broken over time. this incident underscores that need and you have to be proactive and willing to do what the leadership down there did, which was to denounce it immediately and to move forward. you can't cover it up. you can't be willing -- you can't be afraid of scrutiny. you have to lead. >> hugh, there has been a study of the pilot programs where there have been cameras on cops and where there have been body cameras, the number of complaints against officers down 88%. and the decline in police use of force down 60%. i think we know the solution, don't we? >> bwcs are changing, revolutionizing both what the police do and what suspects do. they all react differently when being watched. i must say, that was a very provocative and well done piece

and it does present to you why this video makes so much sense. on the front page of the "washington post" today, they have gone back ten years. there are 54 prosecutions of police who have shot people only 11 convictions, some are still pending. and you wonder if bwcs were available, whether those numbers would be different. but the downside is, if you've seen "furious 7," god's eye, do we want police recording everything all the time? >> look, the aclu said this, there is fourth amendment issues here, and frankly also a cost issue too. somebody has to pay for these. >> yes. but all of this would not have happened if it wasn't for -- who is an immigrant from the dominican republic that most people are like where is the dominican republic. >> a lot of baseball fans know where the dominican republic is. >> true but across the country, the united states has 3.1% of dominicans. but here's this young man who said, i wanted them to know that they weren't alone.

he's recording the whole thing and, of course, when he goes to offer to the police department, they dismiss him, like, who is this, probably black immigrant with an accent, what could he possibly know, and that motivates him to go to the next step. he's being hailed among some dominican immigrants as an american patriot. as somebody who has changed the discourse, because as journalists, we depend on facts. and when the police department says, these are the facts -- >> you trust the police department. >> we have to. >> i can't help but wonder, do we have -- do you think -- i wonder if there is a difference in how suburban police forces, smaller, not as much scrutiny, not as much funding, hire their police officers versus how big cities who have a -- probably have a -- we know this. the big cities, right now, look like -- their police departments look like the communities they police, the suburban ones don't. where are we having the trouble? >> first on your report, my career as a police reporter, our slogan was if your mom tells you she loves you, check it out. that's -- >> that's a lesson.

>> what we have hopefully done in this case. i do think it is hard to know, i do know the police when i was covering them, big city, like chicago, and they do something bad, they cover it up. and -- >> with a lot of pot lines, we know this. it is everybody's instinct. >> i'm much more ambivalent on the cop cams. i support them, because i think they are for the truth. but i think there is going to be a lot be lost. most of what cops do is not big capturing a felon. it is getting somebody's home, in their private life at the worst moment of their life, in domestic violence, if there are cameras on there, that we can trust, if those cameras -- if those videos go on youtube, as they will -- >> i know. that's the other thing. i can picture supreme court case coming where we have this issue on sort of the camera being an illegal search and seizure. >> but if it is that -- or somebody getting somebody shot, we have to have the dialogue, which is what we're doing, which is great. >> and work the issues out will you be able to pay for all the cameras? >> the feds have to participate

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and we are back. this week, rand paul became just the second candidate to jump into what is going to be a very crowded field for the republican

presidential nomination. and the senator from kentucky did not exactly garner the national headlines he would have liked in his first week of campaigning. after a few tense interviews, including one with my colleague savannah guthrie. for my first meet the candidates interview, with a republican presidential contender, i sat down with senator paul in las vegas. and i started by asking him, which country or entity he views as the biggest threat to america's national security. >> i think there are a lot of threats around the world. everybody talks about iran. i think iran is a significant threat. i think the countries that already have nuclear weapons are somewhat of a threat also, north carolina is a loose cannon with nuclear weapons. pakistan there is always the threat of instability over there. also having nuclear weapons. so i think there is a number of threats. i think in the last year or so, russia has become more problem than problem solver. there was hope maybe a year or so ago that when russia helped

to broker getting rid of the chemical weapons in syria, there was hope among some of us they would want to participate in making the world a better place. quickly dashed after the invasion of crimea and into ukraine. >> there is a quote you gave, new yorker, you said it in july of last year, in the october new yorker, you said, when you have so many confusions, how can you ask an american gi to fight and lose his life for something, but in the neighboring country we would be fighting with many people who hate israel, hate the united states, hates christianity. makes no sense. i take that quote to think right now you think the u.s.' presence in the middle east is too big. >> i don't think i would put it that way. i would say the quote is to mean that the middle east is a very confusing place. and before we leap before we put gis into something where they could lose that are lives or where we're putting american

gi lyes at rsk, we have to think before we act. i think if i can think of one thing that is true in that mass that i think is on incontinue ro veritable and hard for anybody to object to is every time we toppled a strong man, we have gotten chaos, and we have gotten the rise of radical islam. that includes wars that were promoted by republicans as well as wars promoted by democrats. i think hillary's war in libya is an example. i also think the toppling of hussein is another example of when a strong man went, chaos ensued. >> do you think we're spending too much time debating iran and not enough time debating the isis resolution that congress hasn't voted on. >> i think they're both important. i think they both need to involve congress. the -- our founding fathers were very, very specific that congress had a role in foreign policy, a big role. in fact, they gave the ultimate role, you know in declaring war to congress. and that was intentional. to make it difficult, and to make it that we only went to war when we had consensus. >> there is an intensity on iran, we have to debate every facet of the deal. none of that on isis. >> i think that's disappointing.

before christmas, i brought it up in the foreign relations and i introduced a declaration of war against isis because -- i did try to attach it to a water bill, which annoyed some people. people are like why are you attaching a war resolution to a water bill. that's all they'll let me attach it to. i forced them to debate. that's one of the things to me that has been most exciting about being in the senate. i could be at home saying, congress should declare war and why won't congress get involved? but now i'm actually there and i can say, you know what, i'll make them vote on this. and they will have to discuss war and they did. we had a great discussion. it didn't come to a resolution. but i'm still pushing to say, look, you should not be at war. i've said the president, if he wanted to be a great leader, last august, should have come before a joint session of congress and laid out the plan and then should have asked for permission. he would have gone down in history as a uniter and great leader if he had done that. instead, we mickey mouse around him, no one made a decision, are we at war, are we not at war.

>> the iran deal, i know there is confusion, the iranians saying one thing about it, the americans saying one thing about it. assuming the deal is what john kerry and president obama are saying, is that a deal you would nullify on day one if you took office? >> i think that's the real problem is assuming what it actually means. i talked to the administration about this. my concern has been, and i told them from the beginning, one of my biggest concerns is the day the obama administration came out with their fact sheet on what the agreement would mean, the foreign minister of iran comes out tweeting in english and says, well, no, it means exactly the opposite of what the americans mean. you have to question the sincerity of the iranians and it goes to credibility on this agreement. is this really going to be an agreement that we can whole heartedly get behind. >> going back to the description, the agreement is the united states described it, good enough agreement for you? >> i think there are good things in it. i'm not one of the republicans who will say, oh, because the president is a democrat, i'm never going to say he can't do anything good. i believe in negotiations.

i want to have negotiations. but i also realize that negotiations have to be from a position of strength. many conservatives who are hopping mad and all they want to do is criticize the president, they don't remember ronald reagan's talked with the russians. we negotiate with the russians for decades. didn't mean we trusted them. reagan said trust, but verify. i'm in the same camp. when i want a deal, i don't want a bad deal. all i've seen is the fact sheet so far. i'll tell you it greatly troubles me the iranians are saying it doesn't mean any of this and the ayatollah is spouting off with, you know, aspersions toward the u.s. and zarif saying it doesn't mean anything. so really the iranians are destroying the ability for any americans to get behind it because of their remarks. if they can come out and say, you know, yes, we're agree with the administration on what it means, there might be a chance for people to look at the agreement objectively. >> you said something right after the 2012 election, about your dad. you said, maybe, just maybe, the ron paul revolution is the last best hope for saving the gop from oblivion.

if you run a good campaign and not the republican nominee, gop headed for oblivion? >> sometimes we have flowering rhetoric that we use. >> think you overdid it there? >> probably not me, of course. other politicians have been over the top. but never me. i think we say a lot of things. i do mean -- i was very sincere that, you know, i was a great fan of my dad. i think he's one of the few honest and genuine people in politics. i do mean that in my support. but i think also when we say it is our guy or oblivion, we may be using a little rhetorical flourishing. >> where do you disagree with your dad? three areas. >> you first. where do you disagree with your dad and then i'll go to mine. >> you're both elected officials. and your campaign, a lot of ron paul fans that showed up today. >> i would say the best way to describe it has to be in general terms unless we have a few hours, you know. the thing is that i would say that we both believe in the original intent of the constitution, we both believe

that government should spend only that comes in. we both believe in a strong national defense. and we both believe that maybe in the spectrum of foreign policy, that maybe we intervened too much. there is degrees of how much you intervene around the world. he may be more to the side of never intervening and i'm on the side of deciding how we intervene through congress and a doing it when there is a vital american interest involved. i think there are times to intervene and i think isis is one of those. >> this week, there has been a lot of attention to some of the interviews you had, one or two contentious. one with my colleague, savannah guthrie. men and women, by the way. do you think you have to grow a thicker skin? >> you know, it depends when you get me. if i had my coffee, and, you know, had some -- no. >> are you not a morning person? >> i am very much a morning person. i'm a surgeon. i love the morning. and i'm better at 7:00 in the morning, no complaints.

it was early in the morning. but the thing is, i guess that, you know, most of my profession has been as a doctor. and so if you ask me a question, and it is about your eyes or about, you know, a pain you have here, i try to be very direct with the answer. i don't like it, and i sometimes have a hard time hiding that i don't like it, when a lot of the question is built up into, well, you've changed -- you've changed your opinion, and i guess this is your opinion, at least for now. and that kind of tipped me off as, sort of, like, that's snide. this is your opinion. at least for now. >> welcome to the nfl. >> i know. but the thing is then i push back. i don't know for better or worse. people come up to me of both stripes and said thank goodness you stood up to the liberal media and other people, maybe my wife, said count to ten and try to let them spit out their question, even if it is a biased question, and let the question come out. i don't know. i think we could all be better. i think some interviewers could be better sometimes and i think politicians could be more tolerant of interviewers. >> hillary clinton getting into this race, you have been

comfortable bringing up a lot of her past. a lot of bill clinton's past. and saying it should be thought about and debated. you're hesitant about your past, you don't like your associations with your father being a part of your campaign. >> right. >> isn't that a little hypocritical? >> i think the thing is about the clintons there's a certain sense that they think they're above the law. and i think there's this grand hypocrisy for the clintons in the sense that we've got this whole thing, this war on women thing that they like to talk about. and yet hillary clinton has taken money from countries that rape victims are publicly lashed. in saudi arabia a woman was gang-raped by seven men, she was publicly lashed 90 times and she was convicted of being in the car with an unmarried man. we should be boycotting, voluntarily boycotting a country, not buying stuff from a country -- >> so you want to boycott -- >> if you're president, saudi arabia, you're no longer an ally. you're done. >> that's a little different than what i'm say.

remember with south africa, there was much of it voluntary boycott. personally. i'm going to try to tell my university not to invest in this country because of what they do to women. and see, i think -- i would expect hillary clinton, if she believes in women's rights she should be calling for a boycott of saudi arabia. instead, she's accepting tens of millions of dollars and i think it looks unseemly. and there's going to be some explaining she's going to have to come with us. >> senator, i've got to leave it there. are you really running for both offices at the same time? >> yes. >> the anti-washington candidate wants to be in washington? >> i think there's got to be a voice for people you know, people who believe that government really has gone way too far and i think you'll see a thousand people out here who want me to still be that voice. >> all right. senator, stay safe on the trail. >> all right thanks. >> that was my interview yesterday with senator rand paul of kentucky on his last stop of his announcement tour. back with our "meet the press" end game segment right after this. open the box and... (sniffing) new phone smell. jump on a video chat with my friend. he's a real fan boy, so i can't wait to show this off.

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time now for "meet the press" endgame brought you to by boeing, where the drive to build something better inspires us every day. >> it is endgame time. panelists here. there has been one clinton we haven't talked about so far on the show. but "saturday night live" did. take a look. >> i am running because i want to be a voice for women everywhere. >> did someone say women everywhere? hillary would make a great president. >> thank you. >> and i would make an even greater first dude.

this election is about you. i don't want to hog your land line. i am leaving. look at me go. bye. i'm gone. >> aren't we such a fun, approachable dynasty? >> nice to see darrell hammond back to do that. mayor blake, the bill clinton -- look, it did hurt hillary clinton back in '07-'08 a little bit. he seems to know it. it does look like they're trying to give him the same role that president obama did, use him as little as possible until you need him. >> i think everybody -- for me, i'm the clinton generation, so for me use him as much as possible. >> majority of the country. >> yes. >> likes bill clinton. let's not see that as -- let's remind people of that. >> she'll learn lessons from the past campaign and use them appropriately. i would like to see more of bill clinton. >> you would like to see more? help or hurt? >> big issue is trust. i go back to rand paul. rand paul is a high trust

candidate. hillary clinton is a low trust candidate. bill clinton is a lower trust candidate. if trust is the issue and look at syria or libya, you say, bill clinton is not an asset if trust is an issue. >> david axelrod said, he compared bill clinton to nuclear energy. a little bit is really good, but it could be radioactive and explosive in a hurry. >> he's a total winner on the message. he's a great politician. great messenger. the substance is the interesting thing for me. bill clinton was a moderate democrat. sister soldier moments. that democratic party doesn't exist anymore. so how does hillary clinton move off the clinton economic policies of the 1990s. >> the left wants her to go left and, you're right, the middle somewhere else. another issue, the roush rule, jonathan roush, long time colleague of mine at national journal, now at brookings, he came up and said, candidates for president, they all get elected if they have been in the arena for 14 years or less. and 14 years is sort of your sell by date. that's your expiration date.

hillary clinton, according to his math, has been in elective office 15 -- first run for elective office, she's at 15 years, first lady for 25. if you look at the candidates, the ones that meet the roush criteria, 14 years or less. christie, cruz, jindal, o'malley, paul, walker, webb. the ones that are stale, biden, bush, chafee, hillary clinton, mike huckabee and rick santorum. how does hillary clinton deal with this freshness issue? >> i have to be honest with you, the terms expiration date and stale and too late for you as a woman is like -- i don't know if men have the same reaction. that's nuclear. you're telling us we expired? so i think that's problematic. i think that actually bill de blasio, who started -- was on the show, he shows that anything can happen, right? he had been around. politics is anything can happen. it is stale if you continue to be stale. but there is no reason why

things can't get mixed up. i think that roush term -- >> you didn't like the roush test at all. >> but this is different. hillary is like the cornea transplant you didn't know you had. she's been in your vision since 1990. the tammy wynette interview was in february of 1992. she's been there since then. that's not about being a sale-by date, that's just weariness. >> i had clinton people say, here is what that also means. there is a whole slew of americans who are going to vote for first time for her, who never had to vote for bill clinton. that could be an asset. >> i think you talk about stale, i would say the republican party has been very stale, not been willing to expand, so, i mean, where do they stand on the roush test? >> that's what we did. went through the whole thing. that's a big problem for a guy named jeb bush who has the same issue. before we go, a big news this week, we're all -- we have friendly competition between the sunday shows. bob schieffer's announcing his retirement.

so, bob, you love your purple socks, i will be wearing purple socks in your honor on your last show, i promise. and since you're a big tcu fan, i hope i get this right, frogs. in all seriousness, "meet the press," bob schieffer is one of the class acts of washington. i think i speak for everyone at this table. we're all going to miss you. i would do my schieffer, but i'm told i will get in trouble if i do too much of my accent there. but gosh darn it, why can't we just all get along and get this town to work better? anyway, bob, in all seriousness, thank you for being such a great colleague. that's all we have for today. we'll be back next week. because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."

and breaking news. hillary clinton is making it official she's running for president. an online video to be released at any moment. let's go to msnbc political reporter, alex sykes waltz. he's in brooklyn outside of clinton's likely campaign headquarters. this all starts with an spail, it appears. >> hillary clinton will make this official any second. in 2008, it did not work out very well for her. the message is all about the middle class. she's expected to say that while the economy has recovered for many americans, the deck is still stacked against those at the top and that she wants to be their champion that it's their time for her to help them recover economically and any second now, we're expecting t