first face to face meeting between an american and cuban leader in five decades. >> president obama said cold war days are over. >> i think the president has a misguided calculation that if you open your hands to dictators, that they will un unclench their fists. >> ayatollah is probably right. john kerry is delusion natural. in that's the indication the degree to which partisanship. >> we earn the right to complete it without interference and certainly without partisan politics. >> every day americans need a champion and i want to be 45 that champion. >> hillary clinton announced her

highly anticipated second bid for the white house. >> what difference at this point does it make? >> she's trying to portray this air of inevitable. >> she's tied to the obama administration. i don't think that's a plus for her. >> she was apyut tap yutan outstanding secretary of state. i think 14e8dshe would be an excellent president. >> i suspect it may be four more years. it may be what difference does it make. >> welcome to "morning joe". with us we have our economic analyst steve radner. a present for you, i think. >> it's not for joe. >> i think it's for mika. it's pink, so it's for you. what is it? >> and john helman is here and mark halperin and al hunt.

>> do we really want to do this? hilarious. >> guys move the camera back. >> wait a minute. look at the back. thank you, steve. but today is hillary's day. >> i tried to get one for joe, but the website is so bad, that they did not have -- >> you tried to type in scarborough? >> today is hilly's day. >> so your event was phenomenal. >> it was lovely. and thank you for coming. >> really really really fun. a great start. incredible speakers. we'll have much more on that. >> we'll have more on that. we have an awful lot of news. but it was an extraordinary event and congratulations on that. you changed a lot of lives. you really did. somebody that wants to change a lot of lives in politics. i love this headline mika because this is a good way to put it. a second chance for a first

impression. and the other "usa today" headline goes clinton goes for low key launch. >> i think that's a really good idea. >> did you? >> yes, i do. i think these launches with all the fake clapping and people going crazy are so contrived. >> that's what you've been saying with rand paul and ted cruz, you say there is no way to go but down. >> exactly. >> and i have held town hall meetings after having a launch where one person shows up and it's pretty bad. >> not a good feeling. >> so i think hillary's people listened to you because you love them so much. but you've been talking about low key, low key, low key. it was low key. >> yeah i think it was low key and i think it will be really interesting to watch what she does with the tremendous platform that she has. i hope she takes it to new heights and really does something with it. hillary clinton made it official yesterday afternoon in a two minute video, the former

secretary of state officially kicked off her second bid for the white house through a series of tweets e-mails and a launch of a new website. and this morning, the former first lady is driving in a van to iowa with just two aides. her first stop was at a gas station in pennsylvania where aides said she visited with people there. she tweeted a picture of the, quote, great family she met yesterday afternoon. she begins a two day swing through iowa this afternoon where she finished third back in 2008 kristen welker has the details of her big announcement. >> i want to be that champion. >> reporter: hillary clinton announced her highly anticipated second bid for the white house. >> i'm running for president. >> reporter: her strategy, convincing voters she's the right person to address economic inequality and aims to court democrats who argue she's not progressive enough. >> americans have fought their way back but the deck is still

stacked in favor of those at the top the. >> reporter: the video is in stark contrast to her online announcement in '08. instead of and on camera speech this message is about the voter. clinton doesn't appear until about halfway through the video. the emphasis is on sharing the stories of americans of different ages races and sexual orientation orientations. >> i'm getting married this summer to someone i really care about. >> willie, what do you think? >> i think the message is the right one which she said this campaign is not about me it's about you. whether that's backed up by the substance of her campaign remains to be seen. but i think that's what people are yearning to hear. let's go to mark halperin in d.c.. this will be the subject of game change three, i don't know what the subtitle will be, but how did it begin? >> it would be called game change three road tripping. we shouldn't hold her to a different standard. lots of people launch with a low

key video and then go to fundraising and other quieter activities. from dealing with her folks, i think they're breathing a sigh of relief because it got oofff to a decent start. not everybody loved the video but the notion which they all claim was her idea of driving to iowa is exactly where they want her to be. she has a lot of work to do. washington street journal and "washington post" both have somewhat skeptical editorials, but she'll have to earn it and her will people recognize that. they do not see this as an easy task by any means. i don't think she does either. >> john heilemann, what was your takeaway from yesterday? >> the things that interested me i thought the video was very well done just as a piece of execution. the contrast as kristen pointed out to 2008 this is a video full of other people and not just other people but the people who make up the obama coalition. that is what she is going to

have to to. it's not her job if she's the democratic nominee, not going to persuade a lot of people who at any time know about her. she has to figure out how to do the same thing barack obama did in 2012. hispanic americans, african americans, lesbian, gay, lbgt a bunch of women in particular how do i get those people to come out for me in large numbers. that's who all those people were and there is an elizabeth warrenesque economic populist thing that came through. i don't think it's fake but the deck is still stacked those at the top, that is ripped right out of elizabeth warren's play book. so i think there is the makings of a message in there. >> steve has to be excited about that. >> he does. i think all thes peopleose people are there and they're hers to lose. and we saw the makings of a

message. where does she have voids that she really needs to fill in terms of it's one thing to i a, it's another thing to convince people given your past that you'll do it? >> the interesting thing about elizabeth warren hillary clinton, all the different parts of the democratic party, we didn't really disagree about what we're trying to accomplish. we're trying to reversion stagnation of wages, trying to deal with jobs, working families. i agree with john sheic abouted icpicked up some of the rhetoric. but i think everybody will be watching is what are the specifics that tell you where she is. is she going to raise the minimum wage is she going to raise taxes on rich people, will she advocate a government that liens in and has programs to help he's people or will it be more of a centrist kind of approach. and that will come out over the next few weeks. >> one of the big questions facing hillary clinton's camp can it avoid the mistakes that were made during her first white

house bid in 2008. andrea mitchell has more on what we can expect this time. >> next president of the united states senator hillary rodham clinton. >> reporter: hillary clinton 2.0 won't be holding huge rallies in iowa at first like last time. >> i'm running for president and i'm in to win it. >> reporter: but her promise isn't that different from what she promised back then. >> i want to have this as a one-on-one conversation. >> reporter: this time aides say she means it it will be all about you, the voter, not her. >> after five years of raising my children i'm now going back to work. >> reporter: she's promising a more down to earth campaign smaller events focusing on the middle class. up close and personal. >> people will come with questions and so she needs to be prepared with answers. >> reporter: running as a mom and grandmother, warm approachable. >> i'm still kind of in the grandmother glow. >> reporter: last time she down

played her gender. >> someone tested and ready to lead. >> reporter: now after four years as secretary of state, aides say she doesn't have to prove she can be commander in chief. this time clinton has hired a bevy of former obama aides including the image maker credited with michelle's shopping rate to target the let's move campaign and mom dancing with jimmy fallon. >> how did you recast yourself when you're the best known political figure in america? >> i think the real thing that people will be watching and listening for is how she talks about why she's running for president. >> reporter: but in politics, all things are easier said than done. clinton's book tour was widely panned for unforced errors. >> we came out not the only dead broke, but in debt. >> reporter: recent speeches notably flat her e-mail apology criticized as too little too lats. >> i thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal e-mails instead of two. >> reporter: and she's still

facing questions about benghazi, congressional hearings won't let up. and then there is bill. a huge political asset who still produced some bad headlines the last time around. this time he says he'll be a back stage adviser for now. >> yeah, whatever. anyway, we know that's not going to happen. so you have the possibility yesterday of if she wins, the first woman to be elected president of the united states announcing yesterday. along with wow, what a masters. >> oh,. >> spieth. oh my gosh we'll get to that in a little bit. that was stunning. >> 21. >> today you have in marco rubio the possibility of another historic candidate. >> that's true. >> people always say what do you think. and just every one of these republican candidates they have their pro, they have their cons. i don't see a lot of room for

growth in some of these candidates, but with marco, there is a big question mark. marco rubio could actually -- could take off. the same way barack obama took off back in 2008. we'll have to see. but i think today could also be a very historic announcement. just a sunday and monday back to back these could be two -- historically people could look back on these two days about. >> some are saying he should wait because he has the time. but the republican presidential field also continues to take shape. senator rubio tweeted a teaser video for his announcement. but don't expect anything nearly as elaborate as the pre-announcement that we saw from ted cruz and rand paul. take a look at this. >> we're excited about the announcement tomorrow. tune in tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern time live so you can watch it on marco rubio.com. >> so he'll make it official tonight in his hometown of

miami. and john heilemann, it's just like jeb when jeb was walking down the street and it was sort of jumbled. it's not like they shot the video and didn't put it up. he did that for a reason. it's all calculated. just to say this is me and it's pretty interesting contrast. >> trying to get around from the grand yosity that mika finds objectionable to some of the more big stage introductions. his speech tonight will look spg more like we saw with rand paul and ted cruz, but certainly that video compared to the hollywood blockbuster style trailer that rand paul did, you couldn't get a bigger contrast will. >> al i just have to say, i'm really surprised if marco rub i don't does in fact announce that he's running take that marco rubio is runs for president of the united states the same year

that jeb bush whom many people consider to be his mentor is running. i'm really stunned. the political world has completely changed since 2008 and barack obama getting to the head of the line. just doesn't usually happen in the republican party. >> it hasn't joe. you really have i think put your finger on both his greatest strength and his greatest weakness. he's new fresh, different. is it going to be an election about the future. he looks very attractive. his greatest weakness is people say this is barack obama 2008 an up tested senator who really isn't experienced in world affairs. i think a lot of democrats, joe, think that if marco rubio is good enough to be the nominee, he will be the most formidable candidate. most democrats think it's highly unlikely he get there. can he really compete with cruz

and paul for the evangelical votes. i don't know. but if he finds a way, he could be a real player. you're right. >> mark halperin, a lot of people surprised that he is jumping in already. and there are a lot of republicans saying that he should run for governor he should do this he should do that. but marco is a man in a hurry which is again -- i just said he's got an up side down side is you look at marco rubio at his age, his level of experience in washington three or four years, he doesn't have 10, 15, 20 years of institutional memory. and you go, oh, my gosh there this is the republican party's answer to barack obama in 2008. that has to be the down side, right? republicans have to be scratching their heads going, okay, this didn't work for barack obama, we said he wasn't ready to be president, why would we nominate somebody who has as little experience as he had in 2008. >> like rand paul, the only way

marco rubio is the republican nominee is if the rule book is rewritten. he won't win the standard way, party nominating someone who has unare unrun before. we only spend time talking to elites who say there won't be another bush and clinton. if you assume jeb bush does not become the nominee, marco rubio, because he's young and new, a lot of republicans position he's the vision and face of the future, he has as good a chance as anybody today to be the republican nominee. can he do well in iowa new hampshire, south carolina can he raise the big money? those are other big process question marks. but there is no doubt that he feels like barack obama in 2008 this is my time. some people might think it's too soon. i think this is my time to win the white house. >> all right. so john heilemann, final thoughts then as we look back on hillary because the republicans came out jeb bush we got to do better than heldry scott walker, failed foreign policy, ted cruz, third obama

presidency, carly fiorina, hard working. >> republicans do not like hillary clinton. we have a national poll out and we tested vie ability. instead of doing -- we said would you seriously consider voting for this person, might consider, not the consider. most striking number on the republican side is that 42% of republicans and independents said they would never vote for jeb bush. 42%. >> jeb's numbers -- >> 42% said they would never consider voting for him in his party. and that is the reason why marco rubio has an opening because there is this feeling -- mark said -- >> the numbers are up right now. a lot of people listen on the show. jeb bush 14% would seriously consider. 38% might consider. 42% say they would never vote for jeb bush.

and those negative numbers are pretty stunning. >> and it is the opening, to amplify the point mark made we hear that is voters talking. a lot of republican voters would never vote for jeb bush and a lot of donors say i like jeb bush fine, but i don't want to run a bush against a clinton. so they will look at marco rubio, scott walker. that's where marco rubio has his opening. >> if the lesson out of mitt romney's loss is that we're losing all these demographic groups marco rubio fills that void p. >> still ahead, rins rins brie bus joins us. and a new audiotape emerges from just moments after deadly shooting of alwalter scott. and it actually gets worse. >> thandand that fellow officer that was there, now people are calling for his arrest as well.

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morning headlines this morning, a new audiotape has emerged where the officer who shot and killed walter scott appears to laugh about the adrenalin rush moments after the incident. the guardian obtained the purported tape which allegedly involves a conversation between michael slager and a senior officer. >> by the time you get home, it would probably be a good idea to kind of jot down your thoughts of what happened, once the adrenalin quits pumping. >> oh, yeah. >> really funny. meanwhile, hundreds attended a funeral service saturday for scott, a former coast guard member. at least 200 more people were turned away due to lack of space. tim scott and congressman jim clyburn and mark sanford were

among those in attendance. and former new york city police commissioner ray kelly, a former opponent of police body cameras says the video of scott's death has changed his mind on the issue. >> we have to assume that this officer would not act the way he did if in fact he had a body camera that was recording. you have to use -- so i think it is a game changer and what you will see is a movement now by many more police departments to go to cameras. there are issues with it, there are problems with it but this trumps all of those problems. >> so good for him. you've been saying this all along. >> the key is the only cops that are hurt by bed cameras are bad cops. the only cops. it protects the citizens it protects the good cops it's just the bad cops that won't like it. >> and i understand there are issue, but he's right, it trumps everything and politicians ought to look at how he did that.

it's not that hard to evolve on an issue. hillary clinton, rand paul you didn't have to get defensive. if you are evolving on an issue, just say it. >> good for him. >> a big deal somebody as respected as ray kelly would come around. a passenger in a lamb bore jeannie was killed on sunday when the car crashed in to a guardrail at a walt disney world speedway. it took place at a richard petty nascar experience. they can ride up to speeds of 165 miles per hour. the car's driver suffered only minor injuries. the attraction is scheduled to cle on june 28 for improvements. florida highway patrol is investigating the crash. the "washington post" a st. louis woman says a nurse told her 49 years ago that her daughter had died in the hospital hours after being born was reunited with that daughter. very much alive. for reasons that remain unclear, the infant ended up in fosterwas adopted

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strokes bag. he made big putts down the stretch like this one to save par and finished with six birdies and four bogeys for a two under 70. he walked up the 18th fairway with a four shot lead. the tournament in hand. he tapped in on 18 for the win, celebrating with his family. and then headed to butler cabin where last year's champion bubba watson presented him with the green jacket. here is spieth after the round. >> it won't sink in yet. it's too difficult. i took my mind off of this moment for the last week to where i really couldn't express words to you that would make sense right now. it would be something maybe to ask in a week or two. but it is very very special to join this club. >> he set the record for 18, for 36 for 54. tied with tiger for 72 for the entire round. first back to back --

wire-to-wire champ since raymond floyd in 1976. he just knocked down so many record this is week. >> he got a little excited with his par putt on 18. he rusheded it because he was so excited. if he'd made that, would have been the lowest score in the history of the masters tournament. and when he was 20 last year he finished second at the masters. and this guy is coming -- >> 21-year-old. i think we'll see him and rory for a very long time. >> absolutely. >> i'm still stuck on that woman reunited with her daughter. i want to know more about that. some top advisers say her campaign was not in eftevitableinevitable. and we'll play you some of the spoof ahead. hey, girl. is it crazy that your soccer

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>> hillary would make a great president. and i would make an even greater first dude. >> thank you, bill. that's nice. >> hillary isn't it kriz zicrazy can take videos now? if they could have done that in the '90s, i'd be in jail. >> great, bill i love jokes about that. >> joining us now from the white house, we have white house correspondent for the associated press in washington who writes about hillary's listening road to a second campaign. and you write in part will this friends fret over whether chin clinton will let voters know the one who call as family member when someone ties. more than two decades have left her guarded and deeply protected of her privacy, a wildly famous

figure who remain as mystery. tell us a little bit about that about in terms of accessibility. in some ways it seems like she's very being a ze saysaccessible to i'm. >> one thing i was struck by, i wanted to talk to people who really knew hillary clinton, who had spent significant time with her. i talked to about 20 people. and in every conversation that ied i d haied had, there was gap between the person they were describing and the person that political reporters know and a lot of the public knows. they tell these stories about how when a family member dies everyone had a story about hillary being the first person to call. she loves to gossip, she's this warm friendly person. and yet they acknowledge that that's not the person who comes across a lot of the time in the campaign and they fear that even if they think that she is the most experienced and the best qualified to run in 2016 that she's going to still struggle to

put forward that hillary clinton that they know. >> steve rattner, there is nothing more frustrating for somebody who supports a candidate and there are a lot of stories in a lot of defendant levels about somebody who is great when the cameras are off and then the camera turns on and they stiffen up. have you seen this with hillary? >> i rich when richard holbrooke, my wife worked for him, got sick and ultimately died and she was extraordinary at the hospital every night, holding people's hands, consoling them. she really is what julie said. but she's also an intensely private person and that is what a lot of voters see. and i think the challenge is exactly what julie said. >> julie, as you reported out this piece about the road to the announcement yesterday, did it you ever find a moment along the way where hillary clinton considered not running for president some did she ever look out and say this e-mail scandal or the book tour or whatever it was she said i don't want all this scrutiny in my life or was she always going to be running? >> it doesn't appear as though there was a moment where she actively said, no, i'm not doing it and then changed her mind but there were a lot of times

where she paused. some of the things that she was worried about were personal chilly and her husband mark were having a baby and hillary clinton september her life in the public eye and she worried about putting her daughter's family in the public eye. one thing i found interesting is that she apparently was worried that her candidacy would block out joe biden who is quite a close friend of hers. one thing she saw, though, is that democrats were not being more proactive. they weren't running on a positive message. they weren't selling a vision for the future. and in some ways that also gave her pause. it was a moment where she needed to reflect on why the party did so bad. you know she was part of this midterm campaign, she was on the road. so that gave her pause to erevalto reevaluate.

>> andnow back on the road to iowa. and marco rubio will make it official tonight in his hometown of miami. here is kasie hunt with a look at rubio's swift rise from young senator to presidential candidate. >> i'm so proud that marco rubio will be our next united states senator. >> reporter: marco rubio was only 39 when he was elected to the senate. time magazine sdareddeclared him the republican xavier. >> he'll soon be labeled the gop barack obama. >> reporter: he made his debut on the national stage two years later when republican leaders gave him the tricky task of responding to the president's state of the krupftof the union. >> nothing has frustrated me more than the false choices the president laid out tonight. the choice -- >> reporter: today rubio is expected to launch his presidential campaign in miami where he grew up the son of cuban immigrants. >> for me america isn't just a country, it's the place that

changed the history of my family. >> reporter: now with his family rubio both looks and signs like a new generation of republican. >> i just remember them from -- >> marco rubio, the coolest living senator. >> reporter: in the senate rubio helped lead the effort to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill. only to backtrack when conservatives revolted and the bill died in the house. since then, he's focused on foreign policy taking the lead against the president's to normalize relations with cuba. >> on a scale of one to cuba it's a 10. >> reporter: many see him as a top tier candidate. but rubio is just one in a crowded field. that likely includes the man who has been his ally friend and mentor. >> bushes get emotional, so i'll try my hard he is my wife has told me didn't cry.

but marco rubio makes me cry for joy. >> he helped you get your start in politics. do you feel any issue running against him in it 2016? >> first of all, i was tremendous respect and admiration for governor bush and i think he'd be a very formidable candidate. i think when you reach a point you make those decisions based on whether or not you want to serve as president, you don't make it based on who he iselse might run. >> so let's pick it up right there. the relationship between jeb bush and senator rubio. obviously very close. jeb bush saying he was going to break into tears as he talked about marco rubio. but this is a pretty big storm on jeb bush's campaign. >> reporter: yeah, jeb bush has been a huge booster of marco rubio's throughout rubio's early years here in miami and it's really divided the community here. there are a lot of donors and supporters who backed both bush and rubio who are here in the miami area over the years, but i think it's interesting to watch

how the ruebio campaign and slowly and steadily built rubio up even in the face of jeb bush and all the discussion about how his campaign will be a jug juggernaut juggernaut. he's refused to be crowded out. he's built staff in early states. i've talked to a lot of donors and party officials in private meetings with rubio, and they have said almost to a person that he's often the most impressive of all of the candidates standing up there on that stage and he does offer that generational contrast in addition to potential appeal to hispanicsrs that jeb bush doesn't have. >> okay. thank you very much. up next the one question rins pre-business says supporters of hillary clinton cannot answer. it's more than a network and the cloud. it's reliable uptime.

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please join me in welcoming hillary rodham clinton. >> hillary clinton has some plaining to do. >> used her personal e-mail account to conduct official business. >> reset relations with russia. >> not really working out well. >> potentially catastrophic move for hillary clinton. >> taking millions of dollars from foreign governments. >> sniper fire. it was a total croc. it was a lie. >> what difference at this point does it make? >> this is just par for the course for the clintons. they're always a little secretive. >> that was an ad from the rnc criticizing hillary clinton before she officially launched her campaign for president. joining us now from washington chairman of the republican national committee reince

priebus. didn't you want to wait a beat or two before you guys put out an ad? >> well, it was pretty easy to anticipate that she was going to run, so we had the ad pretty well ready to go. look, i think it's really important for us as a national party to do a couple things. one, help advance the message of our own candidates, but we also have to help define our opponent and i think at this point when hillary clinton is out there with a private tweet and a video and people are talking about hillary clinton that we have to be out there, as well, reminding people about what in fact the history is and what the record is of hillary clinton as she announces her candidacy. >> what is her biggest weakness? >> i think it's the fact that americans the more they get to know hillary clinton don't trust her. and i think if we just stick to the facts on that instead of just political rhetoric and you look at polling that has taken place over the last couple of weeks, you have hillary clinton

under water on the question of trust in battleground states. i think what is really important, as well, is obviously people watching this show are pretty into politics. she has 100% name i.d., so she has that pure saturation and she's losing this battleground states to many candidates that have name i.d. of 030%. so people aren't really buying the product of hillary. and one more thing is that their campaign know it, too. that's why they decided to launch a campaign this way. i mean they have really no big events, no press gaggles. and the next thing you'll hear about is private listening sessions in people's living rooms without press. so it's a very -- it's not a brilliant strategy, guy, it's really the only strategy. that's really what this is.

>> al hunt has a question for you. >> mr. chairman a couple years ago after that 2012 election you put out an interesting report that said republicans have to reach out, be more inclusive with latinos and young voters and yet the party today is seen in large part as the anti-immigration reform party and opposing measures on banning discrimination against gays and less bee answer lesbians. has that set back hopes that were in that report? >> no i don't think so. if you look at the reality in 2014 and look at the work that we've done over the last couple years at the rnc, you saw our efforts i think maybe almost $6 million on the ground in colorado cory guard they are almost won hispanic voters about will 2014. we had a massive effort in ohio and you saw that we can got about 28% of the black vote in ohio. we have a full-time engagement effort across the country. i think you've seen that and it's certainly been something

we've been working on, we've been expanding, paying for in our targeting and ground operation. so, look, i know we can't carpet the world in two years, but i do think that if we work really hard and we target voters and get in the communities that maybe cases we don't represent in congress or in the statehouses, we have to put people in those communities and not just five months before an election. so i do think that we're making a big difference. and i think that with a few points here and there obviously i think we could win ohio we could win colorado and florida. it was a very close election. >> mark halperin also in d.c. has a question for you. >> mr. chairman, i listen very closely to what you say and you're confusing me. on the one hand, you say this morning hg is desperate, horrible candidate, tons of weaknesses and the on the other hand, i've heard you say the only way you can beat her is if your party and presidential campaign run a perfect race. so which is it, easy to beat or hard to beat? >> i think you can have it both

ways. nothing takes away from the fact that we have to be about perfect in a presidential election. i think it's a very different election for republicans. but i do think hillary gives us the best opportunity to make that case because i think she gives you, number one, a person that we can unify our party behind. she gives us a person that we can raise a lot of money against. and she gives us a person that actually if you look at the her record and you have to recruit volunteers and you have to bring out a message about your opponent, she's about the best person we could possibly hope for. so yeah, i think that she's got a terrible record and one that is pretty hard to actually find some accomplishments on. that's true. but i also think that we have to be really, really good as a national party to win a national election. so i don't think i'm being inconsistent. i just think all together we have to hit on all cylinders and we also have to point out the flawed candidate on the other

side. >> reince priebus, thank you for being on here. >> and congratulations on the badge. quite a run. >> yeah tough in the end, but other than people who went to duke or parents that have kids at duke we had the whole country behind us. >> thank you. coming up, why president obama says a nuclear deal with iran does not put the u.s. at risk. and why he is distressed about the reactions. >> a fascinating discussion. >> "morning joe" is coming right back. 40% of streetlights in detroit at one point did not work. at the time that the bankruptcy filing was done the public lighting authority had a hard time of finding a bank. citi did not run away from the table like some other bankers did. they had the strength to help us go to the credit markets and raise the money. it's a brighter day in detroit. kids are feeling safer while they walk to school.

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english? >> relationships will crumble. >> you remember something. i knew this bird first. >> can't we all be friends cookie? >> you need to stop rapping like you from the street ss because you're not from that life. >> and this week cookie is going to get what's hers. >> you want to share me cookie? >> no baby. cookie don't share. >> no matter what the cost. >> oh, no i can't find elmo anywhere. wait a minute. cookie, where did you get that red fur? >> don't you worry about it, baby. >> oh, goodness. i love that. >> al hunt what are you looking for today, what will you be watching with hillary and also with of- >> cookie monster. >> yeah what is happening down

in miami. >> we'll see how the small group meetings go in eye washing but i think the bigger event today will be marco rubio and what kind of a start he gets in miami. and of course i'll be looking for the washington nationals to come back and beat the red sox in fenway. >> that's just not going to happen. all right. good luck with that. >> thank you, al. still ahead, hillary clinton officially running for president again. the republican thifknives are already out, but one a top democratic leader says he isn't sold on her candidacy yet. plus another republican expected to join that party's race for 2016 today. how would senator marco rubio match up against hillary clinton? chuck todd and andrea mitchell join us onset. ♪ ♪

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first face to face meeting between an american and cuban leader in five decades. >> president obama says the cold war days are over. >> we're not in the business of regime change. >> i think the president has a misguided calculation that if you open your hands to dictators, that they will unclench their fists. >> ayatollah is probably right. >> that's an indication of the degree to which partisanship has crossed all boundaries. >> we've earned the right to try to complete this without partisan politics.

>> every day americans need a champion and i want to be that champion. >> hillary clinton announced her eyely an highly anticipated second bid for the white house. >> what difference does it make is this. >> she's tied to the obama administration. i don't think that is a plus for her. >> she was an outstanding secretary of state. she is my friend. i think she would be an excellent president. >> i wonder what her slogan will be. it may be what difference does it make. we'll see. all right. welcome back to "morning joe". we did have to get to all of that with the iran nuclear deal and senator mccain's comments as well. steve rattner, mark halperin still with us. and joining the conversation are correspondent for the "washington post" an gear rin and ron fournier. >> and of course the masters yesterday, historic day.

and then demarco rubio going to be nunsannouncing. jeb bush saying marco makes his cry. of course that was four years ago. i don't think he's tearing up this morning. i think he's very surprised. but a lot to get to and iran also. there is of course back and forth on iran. the president talking about limiting congress' role as much as poll. you can expect congress to push back on that. john mccain saying? sh thing some things that a lot of people believe went beyond the pail. >> so it's getting complicated. but first, iraq made it official yesterday afternoon in a two minute video, the former secretary of state officially kicked off her second bid for the white house through a series of tweets e-mails and launch of a new website. and this morning, the former first lady is driving in a van to iowa with just two aides.

her first stop was at a gas station in pennsylvania where aides said she visited with people there. she tweeted a picture of quote, great family that she met yesterday afternoon at one of her stops. she begin as two day swing through iowa where she finished third back in 2008. one of the big questions, can her camp avoid the mistakes made during her first white house bid in 2008. andrea mitchell has more on what we can expect this time. >> the next president of the i don't understand, senator hillary rodham clinton. >> reporter: hillary clinton 2.0 won't be holding huge rallies in iowa at first like last time. >> i'm running for president and i'm in to win it. >> reporter: but her promise isn't that different from what she promised back then. >> i want to have this as a one-on-one conversation. >> reporter: this time aides say she mean it is. it will be all about you, the

voter, not her. >> after five years of raising my children i am now going back to work. >> reporter: she's promising a more down to earth campaign. smaller events focusing on the middle class. up close and personal. >> people will come with questions and so she needs to be prepared with answers. >> reporter: running as a mom and grandmother, warm, approachable. >> i'm still kind of in the grandmother glow. >> reporter: last time she down played her gender. >> someone tested and ready to lead. >> reporter: now after four years as secretary of state, aides say she doesn't have to prove she can be commander in chief. this time clinton has hired a bevy of former obama aides including the image maker credited with michelle obama's shopping trip to target the let's move campaign, and mom dancing with jimmy fallon. >> how do you recast yourself when you're the best known political figure in america? >> i think the real thing that people will be watching and

listening for is how she talks about why she's running for president. >> reporter: but in politics, all things are easier said than done. clinton's book tour was widely penned for unforced errors. >> we came out of the white house dead broke and in debt. >> reporter: her e-mail apology criticized as too little too late. >> i thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and my personal e-mails instead of two. >> reporter: and she's still facing questions about benghazi, congressional hearings won't let up. and then there is bill a huge political asset who still produced bad headlines the last time around. this time he says he'll be a back stage adviser for now. >> all right. so let's just look at how some of the coverage. "usa today," second chance for first impression. and on the back of the "usa today," for now bill stays back stage. and the operative words there, for now. financial times across the top,

talking about hillary's second bid for the white house. "new york times," clinton ends speculation, going to seek the white house. and new york "daily news," stabbed in the back. bill de blasio not supporting his mentor. mark halperin -- actually, mika that is going around these days. you look at de blasio who was helped by hillary clinton early on and now jeb and marco. >> yes. well de blasio has made it clear that he's not at this point going to be endorsing her but i think what i feel is happening here watching all the coverage is sort of strange because -- it's what happened to mitt romney. the convention they tried so hard to overcompensate, he's a good father a good neighbor. comes to me at high death bed. everyone knows hillary clinton is a very nice genuine person in person. >> i don't think they do know that. i think insiders know that. >> i think they care about

whether or not her leadership skills will take shape as she runs for president. that she won't beholden to special interests, that her ties to wall street won't affect her decisions, that she'll be a good leader. i think the only thing she should worry about messaging to the american people. >> but you brought up mitt romney. and that's important. mitt romney, everybody knew -- >> look how much time they spent on his personal affectionate style. it does nothing. >> it wasn't really until after mark halperin, that we saw the documentary where people said, oh that's the mitt romney instead of the pre-packaged just add water for your presidential campaign mitt romney that we get. you saw more of the real romney afterwards. so with hillary clinton, it's the same thing. people that are close to hillary, people that know hillary think she's a wonderful person. people that didn't outside that inner circle think that she's still and forced and awkward at times out on the campaign trail. and at the end of the day, that's what 60 million people vote on, isn't it? >> there's a lot of weird things

about this kachbdcandidacy and you put your finger on the one that could be the deciding factor. governor romney in the first debate showed himself and he did in the documentary. but as much as his people knew it was important to show what he was really like, he couldn't do it very often and she does not have the ability so far to show people what she's like. anyone who spent time with her knows that she's a much different person behind the scenes, not on camera. she's going to have to find it within herself and many these smaller events will do to show that side of herself. but mitt romney couldn't do it and i think in some ways he's a better political performer than she is. so it's a real challenge. >> fournier wrote hillary can be beat this weekend is your column and you talk about how iowa democrats want a choice. i saw a poll this morning, national democrats want a choice. they want a serious copsious contender. not that they don't like her,

but they are smart enough to know a competitive race helps everybody. >> especially iowa. they want to feel important, they want their party built up. they don't want her to be able to take them or their caucuses for granted. i agree with everything you guys have said, but i don't think it's mutually exclusive. on the one hand, you're right, she takes to talk about what she's about and how she'll take on wall street but joe is also right that she has to show people who she is and see this person that a lot of us have seen behind the scene so is that they will trust her. that's why the e-mail thing really hurts because trust is so important. if people don't get a sense of who you are, they won't believe that you can lead them somewhere. and the reason why i think what she's doing now is important is not so much the optics of going to these small places not so much about how she looks to voters right now. i actually think it's a better thing for her psychologically. to get her out there and in a confident about setting with a little less pressure than a big stage managed event and let her

be a little let nervous. her problem has always been that she tightens up in campaigns. she needs to have some fun. >> and steve rattner, you'll remember she tightened up in 2008 when she was the frontrunner and when it looked like all was lost what a run she had. i want to respond to a 2013 column from ron fournier. memo to hillary clinton. biggest hurdle isn't your age, your husband or even benghazi. it's you. you're the problem. that is if you want once again -- if you once again present yourself as an institution of washington awaiting a political coronation to win you must be the anti-hillary. you need to blast the public's caricature of you and replace it with what we know as the real hillary. this comes from a man who

covered mccain going all covered hillary clinton going back to arkansas. >> she's trying to do exactly what ron fournier is advising her to do and you're seeing a campaign that is unfolding very, very differently from the last campaign where she was making it clear she was not taking things for granted. and so i think she's the most self disciplined person i think i've ever met in my whole life. she can will herself and i think she has gotten that message and now we'll see if she can execute. >> joe if i can add to that real quick. that column was based on reporting from people really close to her who it looks like they have won out at least early on and she seems to be intent on running that kind of campaign. so let's see if she can do it. >> and an guerin and also i think we have chris ten welker standing by. ann, what are you hearing about the type of accessibility reporters will havewe have chris ten welker standing by. ann, what are you hearing about the type of accessibility reporters will have to see these conversations with real people and answering quereal questions? >> she'll be in small settings

over the next two days. she's not officially campaigning there today. she starts on tuesday and continues on wednesday. the first event will be -- first official event is at a community college and reporters will see and hear it but it will be a very small venue. actually there may not be room for -- certainly there won't be room forever reporter who wants to cover it. and then she's likely to do a few other small things along the side and we don't yet know exactly how much press coverage or access there will be. they're very much trying to make will this seem like she is any other candidate in any other year making her way around iowa shaking hands. it's a very deliberate way to be understated. >> let's go to des moines iowa. kristen welker is standing by there. what do we expect from your vantage point?

i understand you're near jaba joe's. >> reporter: that's right. i thought of you guys this morning when it started to open up. i think hillary clinton 2.0 begins here in iowa. as anne pointed out, she'll be holding a number of these more intimate one-on-one face to face events with voters. really pressing the flesh and voters here in iowa say that that is what they want. i've been talking to some of her team here on the ground, they say expect her to make a number of trips here. leading up to the caucuses. because the voters felt as though she really took this state for granted back in 2008 that she did treat it like 00 core a coronation. iowa voters are unpredictable and they want candidates to earn each and every vote. one issue that is raez naturinge ing resonating with voters is that e-mail issue.

so she will have to answer some tough questions about that certainly. but clinton team has really started to build up its base here in iowa. they will have their headquarters in des moines and then a number of offices all throughout the state, so you can expect a number of visits from clinton. very defendant approach than what we saw back in 2008. >> chris tenpkristen welker thank you very much. other big news to get to the dueling narratives from the united states and iran over when sanctions would be lifted under a nuclear deal is leading to a heated back and forth here at home. it all started when republican senator john mccain said this late last week. >> it's probably in black and white that the iola is probably right. john kerry is delusional. and he came back in my view i think you'll find out that they had never agreed to the things

john kerry claimed that they had. >> those comments prompted president obama to launch a strong defense of secretary kerry. >> when i hear some like senator mccain recently suggest that our secretary of state john kerry, who served in the united states senate, a vietnam veteran, has provided exemplary service to this nation is somehow less trustworthy in the interpretation of what is in the political agreement than the supreme leader of iran, that's an indication of the agree to which partisanship has crossed and you would boundaries. >> so ron fournier i think it's safe to say that most americans hearing one senator say of the secretary of state he is less trustworthy than the ayatollah who has run a country at the epicenter of international terror since 1979 is probably not the best way to win spring voters over to your side.

>> i understand why people have a lot of doubts about president obama's negotiating ability and -- >> i have dwout doubts about it but this is i don't understand the i don't understand the beyond the pail, isn't it? >> especially considering how close friends the two were and they share the bond to the vietnam service. this is i don't understand thesis beyond the pail. kind of remintsds me of the swift voting will 2004. >> obviously very tough words. this seems very personal from two former friends. >> yeah it's really remarkable the degree to which that old comedy the senate can fall apart. and i mean pretty much everybody has been saying for the last three days that john mccain did take it too far. and yet he is speaking for a pretty strong strain within the republican party and something

that certainly many republican candidates are picking up on and trying to use against obama and then by extension against hillary clinton. >> so steve rattner, i probably don't understand this but i didn't think there was any hard fast written deal. i thought there was general understanding. john mccain saying when we see the actual writing of the deal we will see that's the case. but we just had -- and we've talked about there for a couple of weeks. the whole idea was you have something general number number-sgrnumber- number -- >> framework. >> a framework that and it gives you until june 30 to reconcile the big differences. >> i think john kerry made two other points over the weekend that are worth remembering. first was that iran it very much the same thing when the interim accord came out last november which is to say this isn't true and that isn't true and it turned out that what we had said was in it was in fact true. and the second point kerry made

is that the russians have said that the way we the americans have represented what has been agreed so far is the accurate version. so i think this is a sort of deja vu moment of iran trying to see what they want to see it there it, but eventually the words will speak for themselves. >> if they want the deal they come our direction and if they don't, they don't get it. because of chuk schumerassume chuck schumer and bob corker and what he's doing, the senate will have a say in this a lot more than barack obama wants them to have. so if you're talk about lifting the sanctions immediately, a lack of transparency i can't believe the united states senate won't do everything if their power to blow this deal up. >> they will have a lot of say. whether that's good or bad remains to be seen. >> well, thank uyou very much. still ahead, chuck todd and andrea mitchell join the table on a very big day in politics. and later, the former first ladies isn't the only one looking to break the glass

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all right. joining us now chuck todd and andrea mitchell. in new york. >> in new york. >> good to have you guys. >> chuck todd how did hillary's launch go yesterday? >> i thought it went very correctly. and then we found out the road trip and i thought, oh, it actually felt as if she was having fun. at first when i say correctly meaning every box was checked. they put out the campaign memo that said we're going to be a united team, there is no back biting. the video had every part of democratic coalition represented. >> people first. >> supposed to be the beneto nmt

of the democratic electorate. >> so nice. >> and then i'll give them credit for this i think the road trip gives it some humanity. and that's what you really needed at the end. so you throw that in there, you take a bus launch and -- >> andrea mitchell obviously the 2008 campaign by hillary has to be considered by historians by one of the most historically inept. she took an advantage, an extraordinary advantage and blew it. of course she ran against an extraordinary candidate. but does it look like in the opening stages hillary and her team learned from their mistakes? >> it certainly looks that way. the memo that they put out that said to everyone we are now in a cause and it's not about you, it's about the voter, and if you look at the video, you only saw her briefly twice. that was really -- it was real people we're told there weren't actors in that beneton of the

democratic base and you never saw bill clinton. only time was really on snl. we haven't seen bill clinton. so he is at least at first going to be back stage. and in fact the clinton global initiative, i think they will be in a mayor concern oig coming up. so about the mom and grand mom, but not the wife. >> so you've been a hillary supporter for some time. you've been right in the middle of the downers obviously you and maureen have. so talk about what's happened over the past year from the book tour to the e-mails to all of this noise leading up to this announcement yesterday. how much have the big hillary donors, the people that mattered, been really concerned that she may not be up to running a great campaign in '16 and that it may be deja vu?

>> certainly there have been bumps in the road. nobody would deny that. whether the book tour or -- >> but i'm asking about donors response to the problems. >> donors are not anoblivious to this, but i personally don't see any real cracks in the dough authorize base over those kinds of issues. people saying she's not up to it or she's not this or not that. i think there is a lot sbf in the of interest in how she'll position herself and what her positions will be on some of the issues they most care about. but i think people feel that she's a smart woman, she's disciplined, she learns from her mistakes. and i think as the rollout so far show i think people will feel okay about that. >> mika was presented this by mr. rattner. and it was very hard for help to do. >> it was. >> thank you, steve. >> but that announcement

yesterday and i'd love to hear andrea on this, as well, it sounds as if she's learned a thing or two from the popularity of elizabeth warren. from a woman that went down to goldman sachs not so long ago and told them you guys it nothing wrong. >> there definitely was the economic populism, you're struggling, we need to make this fair. but i'm struck -- six months ago if i told you the entire process of the is campaign is going to be the obama infrastructure it will borrow from obama even in how they named the campaign, it was obama for america, this is hillary for america, the big o was the symbol, thousandnow the big h. you have a campaign team emphasizing no drama. >> but everybody after barack obama won, and this always happens, it's a himdemocratic majority forever! and then the next year you have the governor win in virginia -- >> you mean like the republican lock on the electoral college?

>> exactly. and you start looking at the map, and let's say either marco or jeb win all you have to do is take florida which they would do virginia which they would probably do, and ohio a bigger question mark. away from the democrats. and republicans are three or four electoral votes away from the process. they have to get barack obama's turnout or at least 85%, don't win. >> and this is why there is an obsession with them for millennials because they need to excite that part of the base in the way the president did. and they argue that the whole point of electing the first woman president trumps any of the baggage she brings. >> and i agree with that because anecdotally with women in my life with women that i hear talking about this you get outside of the mud line you've said it nonstop, there is an

excitement with the opportunity of like, okay we didn't get her last time. we'll elect a woman this time. and i think that is underestimated by the washington political class. >> and i think you're right, joe. the poents points that chuck made, a couple things. there was only one senior citizen that i could see in that video. they were looking at the democratic base looking at the millennials and the demography, just take a look at that the gay couple. all of that. plus elizabeth warren was clearly resonating when she said that the deck is stacked in favor of people at the top, steve rattner. how did the donor base feel about that? maybe she's just checking a box, but where does she stand on wage disparity, where does she stand on the tax structure. >> but how fascinating you bring up older voters. because republicans have always

been, oh they're the party of old voters and then you look at the demographics and david brooks pointed this out which basically said it's a jump ball because, yes, republicans get older voters but there are a lot of them and they vote. >> that's right. they actually take the time to vote. >> it's one of those columns where it's like oh, wait a second, this is a jump ball. >> you hear more and more anecdotally from republicans sub l. suburbanr suburban women who may not even tell their husbands or partners, you hear of a longing for a woman in the oval office. we don't know what the republicans will do with their ticket to try to counter act that appeal. but there really is a secret hidden vote there. >> as historic as 2008 was, america the first majority white country that elected a black president, we are behind the times with every country on the

planet in electing -- >> pakistan did it. >> israel did it. >> you know it's bad when -- >> all right. chuck todd thank you. >> we need to get mark halperin this quickly. you had something soon joe biden. the only thing that made me flinch is when we heard the report that she's close to joe biden is this was -- not in the video, but it was difficult for her to do this because she had such a close friendship with joe biden. okay. good fp good. i'm not the only one laughing at that. is joe biden laying in wait to see what happens? >> she can't win a single vote until february. she'll go to capitol hill and testify on benghazi there will be super pac long way to go p she's being handed the nomination. joe biden is watching. as we get to the fall and she's

looking troubled he and i think some others will say, you know what, maybe this shouldn't be a coronation, maybe she needs competition and our poll says overwhelmingly that's what democrats want, they want her to have real competition. >> all right. chuck todd thank you very much. andrea, stay if you can. coming up, any reporter would love to get even a few minutes with the president. he just got the a full hour. the "new york times" tom freed than breaks down his wide ranging talk with the president next on "morning joe". ♪ where do you get this kind of confidence? at your ford dealer... that's where! our expert trained technicians... state of the art technology and warranty parts keep your vehicle running right. it's no wonder we sold more than 3.5 million tires last year and durning the big tire event

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>> that was a portion of tom friedman's recent hour long interview with president obama. tom joins us now from washington. thank you so much for being here. we greatly appreciate it. >> between to be with you, joe and mika. >> so i'm sure you've heard from the same foreign policy giants and gurusto be with you, joe and mika. >> so i'm sure you've heard from the same foreign policy giants and gurus asking the question what is barack obama's guiding light, what is his doctrine. after your hour long sitdown with him, can you answer that question? you've written about it. what is the obama doctrine? >> i think what the president said is that he does believe that the united states is strong enough in a situation like this to take the calculated risk of testing whether you can basically shift iran on a path away from a nuclear weapon and also start to create the political chemistry for a change in the character of that regime.

he does believe that we are strong enough and he really repeated that to have that test. >> so what is the common thread though, another question you tried to get at, what is the common thread that would run tli through say a decision to not got involved where hundreds are dying and yet get in libya and saying gadhafi must go assad must go, i'm missing a couple more must goes. that doesn't sound like a commander in chief that thinks america has limited power. do you think he'll regret saying that as much as he did? >> you'd have to ask him. >> i don't think he's talking to me. >> in a previous interview i did with him six months ago, one of the points he made was one of his biggest regrets was decapitating the libyan regime

of moammar gadhafi and having no followup plan to put boots on the ground. i think it was incredibly sloppy and we're still paying the price for that. >> tom this is willie geist. you also write about your conversation with the president about his distress over being seen as anti-israel over this. bibi netanyahu has been very strongly against this deal publicly in the face of the president, coming here speaking to congress. what is right now the president's view of israel in relationship to this deal? >> i mean, this is a -- we could do the whole show on this. but i would just say this that barack obama is someone who had a lot of jewish support, i think he's had a lot of jewish friends. he had come to that interview after his seder in the white house. he believes he represents nothing more than an israeli labor party view of the future which is that israel will be better off with a two state solution.

that is a view that many many israelis hold. and he resents -- i think he's frustrated being cast as someone who is anti-israel for holding that view. what really came through to me in the interview really is a couple things that really do show you the difference between him and netanyahu. obama is someone who has lived abroad, maybe more than any president in a long time. and because of that he actually knows what america looks like from the outside in. and he can actually see america even to some point from the iranian perspective. and it comes through when he says let's remember we the krupd back krund back in the '50s, we toppled their government. so there is a reason to deter from that from happening again. one difference between him and

netanyahu, obama can walk in another man's shoes about than's not netanyahu's strong suit. he's not been a man known to look at the world from a palestinian perspective. >> but tom, is it possible is it an admirable quality for us to have a president who can look at the world through the eyes of a regime that you and i both know has been the epicenter of terrorism since 1979? >> really depends on what you're talking about, joe. i think it really depends on what you think of this deal. because iran is a have i complex entity. and i think that is something else that obama believes that netanyahu doesn't. obama's view is -- if you talk to netanyahu about israeli politics we have politics, my hands are tied love to do something with you but my hands are tied. if i don't have a kosher

kitchen, they will take down my government. but when it comes to iran, netanyahu's view is that there are no politics on iran. 85 million iranians want to get a bomb to drop to o. jewon jews the next day. and obama believes that there are really bad actors in iran and he believes there is a lot of people that even oppose them internally and he's trying to construct a deal that will you know, lay with that chemistry in a way that will tip it more toward the people favoring engagement in the world. i don't know whether he's right. i'm just telling you the difference between these two men's perspectives. >> andrea mitchell. >> tom, when you talked to him of course we had not yet heard from the ayatollah. and sense then we've heardsince then he's disa voivowed the framework. white house officials saying he has to do that domestically and there is all part of the bargaining bargaining.

but what do you think is really going on from your knowledge of iran and how popular this was and the overwhelming support for foreign minister when he arrived back? is the ayatollah now saying as they did back in 2009 when there was a preliminary deal no, i neff said you could do this? >> what i believe is that for iran -- for us this is an arm's control agreement. for iran this is an identity crisis. and this is not for iran just about a bomb. this is about who they are as a country. and who they want to be. and my friend from the wilson center has written a lot on this that i think is very smart. that that is really the core here. that's what we're dealing with. so one day the supreme leader will say this one day next. i think obama's strategy is just keep ignoring what they say, just keep going forward, keep trying to press a deal because i think what you'll see in the

next three months is enormous stress from inside that regime. because this isn't just about arms control. it's about what is the nature of that regime and who will hold power going forward. those whose economic interests are in isolation and those -- i think the majority of iranians whose economic interests is about engagement in the world. and this is why this is not the last, you know, shooting star you'll see coming out of that country. i think you'll see real stress on that system. >> all right. tom friedman thank you so much for being with us. >> always great to have you on. >> greatly appreciate it. fascinating interview. always a fascinating column. up next will the country finally elect a female president some carly fiorina looks poised to find out. the potential republican contender joins us live from south carolina next on "morning joe". the largest enterprises in the world, are the largest targets in the world, for every hacker, crook and nuisance

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welcome back to "morning joe". joining us from charmleston, south carolina, carly fiorina. good to see you this morning. >> good morning, how are you doing? >> this is willie talking to you right now. we'll bring joe in in a second. you said not long ago that you put your chances of running for president somewhere around 90%. are you any closer this morning to making that decision? >> well, i'm in south carolina so what does that tell you? >> that she's close. that maybe she's made the decision. >> is that an announcement carly? >> no, it's not an announcement. i will be making a final decision and announcement i would say towards the end of this month or the beginning of may. >> i've talked to people in the republican party who think you'd

be an awfully good candidate and good president. what do you see in the republican field right now and what do you see in the country that makes you think you ought to be in there? >> well, first, i think our nation really is at a pivotal point. i think we must win in 2016. the republican party that is. to reverse a government that is growing out of control and crushing the potential of so many americans. we wrapped people's lives in webs of dependence, we're destroying more businesses than we're creating, our government is out of control in its power, its cost and its complexity. and these are times that call for leadership. there is a big difference between management and leadership. managers do the best they can within the existing system and think we have a lot of politicians who do the best they can on both sides of the i'll within the existing system. but we're in a place where leadership is required where we need to change the order of things for the better.

so if i jump in, imjump in, i think i bring a track record of leadership to the race that i think citizens will find important and refreshing. >> i've been reading your comments about hillary clinton and you say she does not have a trook track record of accomplishments. why do you say that? >> she's had a lot of very impressive titles but a position is just a position. it's all about what you do in it. and think her time in the position of secretary of state is demonbly one that lacks accomplishment. it's a rob when you mislead the american people for a month about what really happened in benghazi. it's a problem when you believe vladimir putin can be thwarted by a red reset button. i've sat across the table from him. there is no way a red reset button will work. it's a problem when our relationship with israel has

deteriorated and it's a problem when terrorism is on the rise, not on the wain as she and the president continue on try convince the american people. >> i've been reading and listening to your criticisms of her which are quite searing again focusing on her track record of accomplishment. and i'm just wondering, you talk about blemishes you have an amazing round of accomplishments in your life, but someone could say it like this you ran for senate and lost. you worked for john mccain, you were moved off that campaign and he lost. you had a tenure at hewlett-packard that a lot of people describe as extremely rocky, destroying jobs and destroying the company's reputation. are you really the right person to be criticizing hillary clinton's accomplishments or lack thereof? >> well, you clearly have been reading the democratic talking points. >> i'm reading fortune, "new york times," i'm reading -- >> we accomplished a lot at hewlett-packard. we doubled the size of the company to almost $90 billion.

we quadrupled the growth rate, tripled the rate of innovation, we went from lagging to leading in every product category and every market segment. and in technology if you're lagging, you're failing. if you're leading, you're growing jobs and growing products which we did. with regard to california, yes, absolutely i lost that general campaign. but i won more republican votes, more democratic votes and more i said votes than virtually anyone else running at any point in that cycle. that's how big california is and it's a demonstration of the fact that a conservative nonpolitician can reach beyond our party and talk with democrats and independents alike. >> and she did amazing things around the world for women and for access to capital for women and for opening doors to the true leaders of countries around the world or you could see it

the way republicans see it and they can talk about benghazi. it's all about how you look at those accomplishments? >> and voters will have to weigh those two, but i think the question miss fiorina made the point that you might have been reading talking point which is you weren't but i think the flip side is that miss fiorina may be reading her own talking points in the sense that at hewlett-packard i believe you were excused, fired is maybe a less nice word, from that job. i think your tenure -- >> i was fired. absolutely i was fired. >> so was i, i understand that. >> and i've been very public about that. >> well, there's fired and fired. you were fired after a merge we are compaq. >> it was a successful merger with compaq which everyone acknowledges that and set the company up for great success. >> it was a successful merger because your successor oror managed to execute what you were not

able to execute which is why the board fired you, i believe. >> actually we had a couple board members who are were leaking confidential information. it was a two-week brawl. victim kept my job by casting my vote, i chose not to. i've been very public about the exact circumstances behind that fire but suffice it to say that when people point to the stock price, for example, it's taken the nasdaq 15 years to recover from the depths of the dotcom bust which is when i was managing. the track record of accomplishment of hewlett-packard is clear. the things that are different in business and politics in business there are numbers, the facts are indisputable so people can spin them but the facts and numbers are there and they're very clear. it was a very successful tenure at hp. i want to say i serve as the chair of opportunity international. this is the largest microfinance organization in the world. we've lent about $8 billion $150

at a time. mika, you may remember you had me and our chief executive officer on your show last year at some point. it is really important to acknowledge that women are half the potential in this nation and i know having seen recently some of our clients in the slums of new delhi that men and women have enormous potential. so when we can give women as well as men a helping hand train them to become entrepreneurs and leaders as i have done with others over the last several years, we can solve so many problems. and that's actually what we have to do in the united states. we are crushing possibilities for too many people. we're tangling people's lives up in webs of dependence. we're destroying more businesses than we're creating. this government has gotten so huge, so powerful, so costly so complicated that only the big, the powerful, the wealthy and the well connected can manage it. and you see in the data all across this economy. >> i think there's some incredible things that you have

done for women. i agree. you've been on the show talking about that. do you think hillary clinton has opened doors for women? >> of course hillary clinton has opened doors for women and of course she is a highly intelligent hardworking woman who has dedicated her life to public service and that is a tribute to her. she has been an example and an inspiration for many women. and just the fact that she's running for president is inspiring to many women. i take none of that away from her. but if we are going to have a real conversation about tapping the potential of men and women, then we also have to be able to talk beyond gender and talk actually about track record and accomplishment and policies and i think that's the ground upon which this debate needs to be waged. what are your policies? what's your track record and what are your accomplishments? >> fair enough carly fiorina, thank you very much. we'll be right back.

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welcome back to "morning joe." it's 8:00 a.m. on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. we have steve ratner and john hielman. >> i love this headline, mika this is a good way to put it. "a second chance for a first impression." and the other "usa today" headline goes "clinton goes for low key launch." >> i think that's a really good idea. >> do you? >> yes, i do. i think these launches with the fake clapping and people going crazy are so contrived. >> that's what you've been saying with rand paul and ted

cruz. you say there's no way to go but down. >> yes exactly. >> by the way, i have held town hall meetings after having a launch where one person shows up and it's pretty bad. >> it as not a good feeling. >> you don't want to do that. so i think hillary's people listened to you because you love them so much. but you've been talking about low key, low key, low key. it was low key. >> yeah i think it was low key and i think it will be really interesting to watch what she does with the tremendous platform that she has. i hope she takes it to new heights and really does something with it instead of plays it safe. hillary clinton made it official yesterday afternoon in a two-minute video. the former secretary of state officially kicked off her second bid for the white house through a series of tweets e-mails, and a launch of a new web site. this morning the former first lady is driving in a van to iowa with just two aides. her first stop was at a gas station in pennsylvania where aides said she visited with people there. she tweeted a picture of the

quote "great family" she met yesterday afternoon at one of her stops. she begins a two-day swing through iowa this afternoon where she finished third in 2008. nbc's kristen welker has the details of her big announcement. >> i want to be that champion. >> reporter: in a sleek online video, hillary clinton announced her highly anticipated second bid for the white house. >> i'm running for president. >> reporter: her strategy -- convincing voters she is the right person to address economic inequality and aims to court democrats who've argued she's not progressive enough. >> americans have fought their way back from tough economic times but the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top. >> reporter: the video stands in stark contrast to her online in '08. >> i announce today that i'm forming a presidential exploratory committee. >> instead of an on camera speech, this message is about the voter. clinton doesn't appear until about halfway through the video. the emphasis is on sharing the stories of americans of different ages races, and

sexual orientation. >> we're getting married this summer. f. >> willie, what do you think? >> i think the message is the right one. she said "this campaign is not about me it's about you." whether that's backed up we'll see but that's what people are yearning to hear. let's go to mark halperin. this will be the subject of "game change 3." >> as of now it will be called "game change 3 road tripping." we shouldn't hold her to a different standards. lots of people launch a video then go to quiet fund-raising. i think her folks are breathing a sigh of relief because it got off to a decent start. people nitpicking they don't like the logo. not everybody loved the video. but the notion they claim was her idea of driving to iowa and doing low key events is where they want her to be. she has a lot of work to do.

"wall street journal" and "washington post" both have somewhat skeptical editorials today but she is going to have to win this and earn it and her people recognize that. they do not see this as an easy task by any means and i don't think she does either. >> john what was your take away from yesterday? >> i thought that the -- the things that interested me beyond what mark just said i thought the video was well done just as a piece of execution and the contrast as kristen pointed out to 2008 where she was alone in her living room in chappaqua saying "i'm in it to win it." this is other people. not just other people but the people who make up the obama coalition. her job is not to persuade a lot of people who don't know about her. most people in the country have opinions about hillary clinton. she has to figure out how to do the same thing barack obama did in 2012. how to get hispanic americans, lgbt americans, a bunch of the obama women in particular.

college educated non-college women. how do i get those people to come out for me in large numbers. that's who those people were. there's an elizabeth warrenesque economic populous thing that came through. i don't think it's fake "americans have fought their way through tough economic times but the deck is stacked for those at the top." that's right out of elizabeth warren's play book. >> steve has to be excited about that, elizabeth warren impacted hillary clinton. >> i think those people you're talking about john hielmann are there. she's starting in a good position, we know that. and yeah we saw the makings of a message. where do you think she has voids she needs to fill in terms of it's one thing to say, it's another thing to convince people given your past that you're going do it. >> the interesting thing about elizabeth warren and hillary clinton and all the different parts of the democratic party is we don't disagree about what we're trying to accomplish. we're trying to reverse the stagnation of wages, trying to deal with working families.

i don't think anybody would disagree about any of that but what everybody will be watching for now whether you're a centrist democrat or a republican, what are the specifics that tell you where she is? is she going to raise the minimum wage? is she going to advocate a government that leans in and has some programs to help these people or is it going to be more of a centrist kind of approach? >> that's going to come out over the next few weeks because people are going to ask her what are you planning to do? >> one of the big questions facing hillary clinton's camp, can it avoid the mistakes that were made during her first white house bid in 2008. nbc's andrea mitchell has more on what we can expect this time. >> the next president of the united states, senator hillary rodham clinton. >> reporter: hong kongillary clinton 2.0 won't run huge rallies like in iowa last time. >> i'm running for president and i'm in it to win it.

>> reporter: but her promise isn't that different what from what she promised back then. >> i want to have this as a one-on-one conversation. >> reporter: this time aides say she means it. it will be all about you, the voter, not her. >> after five years of raising my children i am now going back to work. >> bye, guys! >> reporter: she's promising a more down-to-earth campaign smaller events focusing on the middle-class, up close and personal. >> people will come with questions so she needs to be prepared with answers. >> reporter: running as a mom and grandmother, warm approachable. >> i am still kind of in the grandmother glow. >> reporter: last time she down played her jender. >> someone tested and ready to lead in a dangerous world. >> reporter: now after four years of secretary of state, aides say she doesn't have to prove she can be commander-in-chief. this time clinton has hired a bevy of former obama aides including the image maker credited with michelle obama's shopping trip to target the "let's move" campaign and mom

dancing with jimmy fallon. how do you recast yourself when you're the best known political figure in america. >> i think the real thing that people are going to be watching and listening for is how she talks about why she's running for president. >> reporter: but in politics all things are easier said than done. clinton's book tour was widely panned for unforced errors. >> we came out of the white house not only dead broke but in debt. >> reporter: recent speeches notably flat. her e-mail apology criticized as too little too late. >> i thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal e-mails instead of two. >> reporter: and she's still facing questions about benghazi. congressional hearings won't let up. then there's bill, a huge political asset who's still produced bad headlines the last time around. this time he says he'll be a backstage advisor -- for now. >> yeah whatever. [ laughter ] we know that's not going to happen. so you have the possibility

yesterday of if she wins the first woman to be elected president of the united states announcing yesterday. along with -- wow. >> what? >> what a master's. >> oh that was stunning. spieth. >> 21. >> today you have in marco rubio the possibility of another historic candidate. >> that's true. >> i always -- people always coming "hey, what do you think? "but every one of these republican candidates, they have their pros they have their cons. i don't see a lot of room for growth in some of these candidates. but with marco there's a big question mark. he could -- marco rubio could actually -- could take off in the same way barack obama took off back in 2008. we'll have to see. but i think today could also be a very historic announcement. i'm just talking about a sunday and a monday back to back.

these could be two pretty -- historically people could look back on these two days. >> some are saying maybe he should wait because he has the time but the republican presidential field continues to take shape. senator marco rubio tweeted a teaser video for his announcement expected later today but don't expect anything nearly as elaborate as the highly-produced announcement from fellow gop contenders ted cruz and rand paul. >> we're excited about the announcement. tune so n so you can watch it on marcorubio.com? >> i didn't hear that. >> john heilemann. it's just like jeb. when jeb was walking down the street and it was jumbled. it's not like they shot the video and put it up. he did that for a reason. it's calculated. which will just -- you know, this is me. and it's pretty interesting

contrast. >> trying to get away from the grandiosity and pomposity that mika finds objection to believe these more big-stage productions. he'll do a traditional announcement speech tonight that will look more like -- something more like what we saw with rand paul and ted cruz but certainly that video compared to the rand paul highly produced trailer hollywood blockbuster style trailer that rand paul did, you couldn't get in a bigger contrast there. >> let's bring in al hunt. al, i have to say, i'm really surprised if marco rubio does, in fact, announce he's running today that marco rubio is running for president of the united states the same year that jeb with bush who many people consider to be his mentor is running. i'm really stunned. the political world is completely changed since 2008 and barack obama getting to the head of the line. it's just -- it doesn't usually happen to the republican party. >> it hasn't joe. you really have i think, put your finger on his greatest

strength and greatest weakness. he's new, fresh, different. it's going to be an election about the future. he looks very attractive. his greatest weakness is there are going to be people who say this is barack obama 2008 an untested senator who really isn't experienced in world affairs. i think a lot of democrats, joe, think that if marco rubio is good enough to get the -- good enough to be a nominee he will be the most formidable candidate. most democrats think it's highly unlikely he can get there. can he really compete with cruz and paul for the libertarian vote, can he compete with walker and bush for the votes? i don't know. >> mark halperin a lot of republicans are saying he should run for governor sherkdhe should do this, he should do that. but marco is a man in a hurry

which is again -- i just said he's gotten a up side and a down side. the down side is you look at marco rubio at his age, his level of experience in washington three or four years, not instant -- doesn't have ten, 15, 20 years of institutional memory and you look at him and you go "oh, my gosh this is the republican party's answer to barack obama in 2008." that has to be the down side right? republicans have to be scratching their heads going, okay, this didn't work for barack obama when we said he wasn't ready to be president. why would we nominate somebody who has as little experience as he had in 2008. >> like rand paul, the only way marco rubio's a republican nominee is if the rule book is rewritten. he won't win the nomination of of the party nominating somebody who's won before. we spend lots of time talking to voters and republican and democratic elites who say there's not going to be another bush and clinton, it won't happen. and if you assume that somehow jeb bush doesn't become the nominee, a this point marco

rubio, because he's young and new, because a lot of republicans think he is is vision and the face of the future of the party, he's got as good a chance as anybody today to be the republican nominee. can he do well in iowa new hampshire, south carolina? can he raise the big money? those are other big sort of processed question marks. but there's no doubt he feels like barack obama in 2008. this is my time. some people might think it's too soon. i think this is my time to win the white house. >> all right. john heilemann, final thoughts as we look back on hillary? the republicans came out, jeb bush we have to do better than hillary. scott walker failed foreign policy. ted cruz, third obama presidency. carly fiorina, highly intelligent and hardworking but short on accomplishments. >> news flash, republicans don't like hillary clinton. >> in a big way. >> breaking news. >> i could go on. >> i want to say something about what mark just said. we have this bloomberg politics poll, a national poll out. we tested viability. we went -- instead of doing -- we went around and said "would you seriously consider voting

for this person?" might consider not consider don't know? the most striking number on the republican side, direct will i to mark's point, is that 42% of republicans and inspects sindependents said they would never vote for jeb bush. 42% said they would never consider voting for him. in his party. and that is the reason why marco rubio has an opening. there is this feeling -- >> the numbers are up right now. a lot of people listened on this show. jeb bush 14%, 38% might consider 42% say they would never vote for jeb bush. and those negative numbers are stunning. >> and it's the opening. that's -- to amplify the point mark made we hear that's voters talking. a lot of republican voters who would never vote for jeb bush and there are a lot of donors and accomplishment tarns who say "i like jeb bush fine but i don't want a bush against a clinton. we have to embrace a new generation. requests so they'll look at

marco rubio, scott walker that's where marco rubio has his opening. >> if the lesson out of mitt romney's loss was "we're losing these demographic groups especially young people where barack obama won them and latinos as well" marco rubio fills that void. still ahead, a new audiotape emerges in the deadly shooting in south carolina. what did the police officer say. >> you won't believe it. >> you just won't believe it. >> doesn't help him. you're watching "morning joe."

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the "guardian" obtained the purported tape which allegedly involves a conversation between michael slager and a senior officer. >> that's really funny. meanwhile, hundreds attended a funeral service saturday for scott, a former coast guard member. at least 200 more people were turned away du to lack of space. tim scott and congressman jim clyburn and mark sanford were among those in attendance and former new york city police commissioner ray kelly, a former opponent of police body cameras, says the video of scott's death has changed his mind on the issue. >> we have to assume that this officer would not act the way he did if in fact he had a body am with a that was recording. i mean it just -- you have to use logic. so i think what you will see -- i think it is a game changer and

what you will see is a movement now by many more police departments to go to cameras. there are issues with it there are problems with it but this trumps all of those problems. >> good for him. we've been saying this all along, from the get go. >> the key is the only cops that are hurt by body cameras are bad cops. the only cops. it protects citizens, it protects good cops it's just the bad cops that won't like it. >> i understand there are issues but he's right, it trumps everything and politicians ought to look at how he did that because it's not that hard to evolve on an issue. hillary clinton, rand paul these people are getting -- don't get defensive, if you are evolving on an issue, just say it. >> that's a big deal to have somebody as respected as ray kelly come around on that issue. >> let's go to the orlando sentinel. a passenger in a lamborghini was killed when a car crashed into a guardrail. it took place at the richard petty driving experience where

visitors can drive nascar style race cars at speeds up to 165 miles an hour. the car's driver suffered only minor injuries. the attraction is scheduled to close on june 28 for improvements. florida highway patrol is investigating the crash. the "washington post," a st. louis woman who says a nurse told her 49 years ago that her daughter had died in the hospital hours after being born was reunited with that daughter. very much alive late last week. for reasons that remain unclear, the infant ended up in foster care and was adopted by another family when she was 16. nbc affiliate ksdk was there last week when the two met in person 49 years later. >> she's deaf and can't hear because of measles and i think that if she had been with me -- >> never happened? >> this would not have happened. i want to see it roll down this street. i guess i might snatch her out of the car.

>> oh my gosh! oh my gosh! >> mommy! >> wow. that's unbelievable. >> all right next willie? >> let's go to the "atlanta journal-constitution" now. we mentioned a few minutes ago at the master's yesterday 20-year-old jordan spieth became the second-youngest champion in the history of the tournament. things never really in doubt for him on sunday or through much of the tournament really he started the final round with a four-shot lead. nobody got closer than three strokes back. he made big putts down the stretch to save par and finished the day with six birdies and four bogeys far two under 70. he walked up the 18th fairway with a four-shot lead, the tournament in hand. he tapped in at 18 for the win, celebrating with his family and headed to butler cabin where last year's champion bubba watson presented him with the green jacket. here's spieth after the round. >> it won't sink in yet.

it's too difficult. i took my mind off of this moment for the last week to where i really couldn't express words to you that would make sense right now. it would be something maybe to ask in a week or two. but it is very very special to join this club. >> really he set the record for 18th, for 36th for 54. he tied with tiger for 72 for the entire round. the first back-to-back wire-to-wire champ since raymond floyd in 1976. he just knocked down so many records this week. >> he got a little excited with his par putt on 18. if he rushed it because he was so excited. if he'd made that it would have been the lowest score in the history of the masters tournament. and if you think this is a fluke, when he was 20 he finished second. >> 21-year-old. >> this guy is coming up. >> we're going to see him and rory for a very long time

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joining us now, a member of the arms services committee, republican senator deb fisher of nebraska. also with us senior editor at the new republic rebecca traister. her latest piece, she explains why calling hillary clinton's candidacy inevitable is problematic so let's start there. why is it problem mat snick. >> because there's nothing inevitable about it. we called it inevitable six years ago. it was not inevitable. >> it wasn't. >> and the whole idea that we would say -- the idea of a female president is inevidentable in a country that's never had one in 230 years, it's crazy. there are a million things that can go wrong. we saw illustrations of it last time. >> senator fisher isn't it exciting, though to see a woman jumping in? she has accomplishments. >> well of course. we're looking at the first woman to -- serious candidate to run for president of the united states. that's ground breaking. but i would question her accomplishments. i questioned her roleout. and i felt that it was disappointing of mrs. clinton

not to express a vision for the country being the first serious woman candidate i was hoping she would step forward and tell us how she's going to improve the lives of middle-class americans. >> it was a little flat. >> it was very flat. and she didn't list any accomplishments and that's been challenged. >> so, rebecca, obviously a lot of people have been wondering why is hillary running. what's behind it other than just running because she wants to be president of the united states. do you expect specifics or is she going to play it safe generally? >> i do expect there will be specifics. i think there will be pressure on her to provide the specifics because already there's blowback of the vagueness of the rollout. i think it's hard in an introductory video to lay out your plicments when you're a if familiar figure to so many americans. i was pleased and vised with the video. but i think there's going to be a tremendous amount of pleasure as she goes to iowa on this van

tour she's doing to start speaking specifically about what she plans to do this time. >> and senator let as talk about both parties. it looks like the presumptive nominee -- and, again, no ebb's presumptive, but if you listen to washington's elites they say it will be bush and clinton and as i always joke bush and clinton 25 years later, this time it's personal. is that what americans want? do americans want a bush versus a clinton? >> americans want someone who's going to lay out that vision. and i agree that it can't be laid out in this slick video. but why didn't we hear a speech? why didn't we hear really a rollout with some substance. we didn't have that. >> let me turn the question back on you because senator marco rubio is going to be announcing today, i believe. what are his accomplishments compared to hillary clinton's? >> i hope he will list those for us. i think that's important. i think marco has a good story to tell. he has to be the best speaker that's out there from either

party. he's very inspiring. but he's going to have to put forth those accomplishments. i think with marco you hear a lot with foreign policy. and that's a main concern for americans. who's going to keep us safe? that's in the news. that's what i hear as i travel the state in nebraska people want to make sure we have a leader who's going to keep us safe. >> tomorrow is equal payday. you have an equal pay amendment. the up with thing it doesn't have in it, it has no lawsuit provision. what legs does it have if it goes through? >> it enforces current law. >> how if you can't sue? >> well, no with the other equal pay amendment that was passed during the budget process that amendment lifted all the caps. there were no caps. that's unheard of. that's unheard of with any kind of lawsuit. ang dpus king couldn't even vote for that. angus supported my provision which has that non-retaliation clause in it that the president had an executive order on a year ago. >> but how does someone fix the

problem if there is one? >> we fix the problem by allowing people to be able to discuss and have that openness so that they know what other people are making and follow the current law we have. >> so transparency will help? >> transparency is important. >> it's what you always say to women. you need to find out who's getting paid for the same job you're doing. >> i love it. >> go ahead, rebecca. >> but what's the thinking behind there being a non-retaliation clause? what's the argument behind not stlag in there? >> oh, it is in my bill. it is in my amendment that passed that we have to have that non-retaliation clause. the reason for it is knowledge is power. and if you understand what people who are working side by side with you, what they're making, then you can follow current law. >> but why not offer lawsuits as a tool to back up pushing towards equal pay? >> i think senator mikulski's amendment went way to far.

>> so there's still lawsuits just not unlimited? >> right. her amendment was -- well as we like to say, it was great for trial attorneys, not that great for the american people. >> let's check in with business for the bell now with cnbc's sarah eisen. sara, what are investors looking for on wall street this week? >> two biggies, mika that would be earnings and economic data. and the reason it will be so important this week is because we're still in wall street trying to answer the question what happened in the first three months of the year. we knew that economic databasally ground to a halt. our economy ground to a halt, that improvement we were seeing in the labor market with jobs also slowed down so the question going forward is was it just a really brutal winter weather problem? and some other temporary issues like port congestion or is there something deeper going on in the economy? this week will be a big one. it kicks off in full on tuesday. that's when we start hearing from the big banks, j.p. morgan chase and wells fargo. of course we'll want to see what

lending looked like broadly in america. bank of america on wednesday and then some of the other ones on thursday. it's going to be earnings and the data, retail sales out tomorrow as well. back to you guys. >> sara eisen, thank you very much. >> so there's a commercial that shows -- talks about retirement accounts and people are walking around, they all have the numbers over their head. how would your career have been different if when you walked to your first job in a newsroom or somewhere else you could see the numbers over their said? oh they're paying them this amount. what a huge difference that would make. >> i think it would level the playing field right away. and i think there's problems with transparency as well just as there are problems with lawsuits. it's not all cut and dry but we have to get to a point where we don't a pay disparity between men and women. >> it as a great start. >> it's a good start. thank you so much senator fisher, thank you, rebecca traister. >> rebecca, nothing inevitable here, right? >> no. >> nothing. >> there are 19 months of no

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the explorer card. i really want my united miles. are you for her unequivocally or do you want to wait to see if she takes your advice on moving to a more progressive agenda. >> like a lot of people in this country, i want to see a vision. that would be true of candidates on all levels. it's time to see a clear, bold vision for progressive economic change. >> so you're technically not yet endorsing her? >> i would say this about any candidate. until i see a vision of where they want to go. i think she's a tremendous public servant and one of the most qualified people to ever run for this office and thoroughly vetted, we can say that. but we need to see the substance. >> do you agree with that mika? >> it's something i've been

saying and i think some have translated that as not liking her. i like her. i want to know what the formed message is. she has so much experience, so many connections, what is she going to do with that? joining us now, former congressman from massachusetts barney frank. he's the author of a new book "frank, a life in politics, from the great society to same-sex marriage." good to have you here. >> barney one of the sort of moments in tv journalism in our lifetime was when roger mudd went to teddy kennedy in 1979 and asked "why are you running for president?" he couldn't answer the question. it was seen as a disaster. can hillary clinton answer that question? are we just not paying attention? >> yes, yes, and yes. >> very good. see how good he is. >> okay that's it. barney frank -- >> the double standard with hillary clinton first of all it's clear what she has stood for. for example, in an area i'm very interested in she's several times now reaffirmed her stance

on something that will be an important issue next year which is financial reform. it's clear the republican candidate for president will be for basically going back to where we were before we passed the bill in 2009, the financial reform bill. when the congress weakened it, the president actually signed that, to my regret she put out a strong statement saying she's against it. she's been very clear that she wants to stick with financial reform. again, i think she's been as specific as most other candidates at this point. and i -- as i said, there's a double standard. >> what's so specific? what's her plan? >> well one, stick with financial reform. two, unlike the republicans, go ahead with climate change. first of all, the issues are very clear for this election. do we do anything about climate change? do we appoint supreme court justices that will roll back citizens united and protect the right of a woman to make a choice with abortion? do you maintain where we are in health care or do you go back? those are all very clear issues

and i know exactly where she is on all of them. >> so i have to go here carefully but i'm going go here because i think it's a question. do you think that the questions surrounding how she handled her e-mails are fair or are those right wingers going after her driven by hatred? >> they are nits being picked by the media. no one has asked me about the e-mails on my book tour. >> that's because the people at your book tour probably support hillary clinton. >> no, but i go to see other people i'm doing -- you know there are all kinds of other people at hotels cab drivers, etc. here's the point. that takes on significance because of this unfair notion that somehow she's been involved in other controversies. i was on the house banking committee first and then judiciary committee so i was there through all of these attacks on her and i can report this based on what kenneth starr

told me. with all the accusations leveled against hillary clinton, there was no one thing that came forward that was negative. not whitewater not the fbi files, not the travel office. kenneth starr himself finally said they had no basis. >> barney let me ask you about iran. it's been in the news over the past few weeks. on thursday friday, saturday, things sort of blew up. are you comfortable with what you've heard so far about the iran nuclear deal? >> i was until the ayatollah said no he was going to limit inspections. that would be a deal breaker. short of that yeah i think it's the best deal we could have gotten. what's interesting is that this is one of the few areas of complete continuity between the bush and obama administrations. obama picked up where george bush left off and has moved it further. we have three choices, a deal like the one that they made which if you could have full inspections, only. that would blow it up. two or -- which is i think what

many of the critics support including, i believe, if you read prime minister netanyahu, his basic view is that no deal should be made with iran although he says he wants a better one because it's such a terrible regime and such a threat that basically it means war or no deal at all. so i think having -- well iran's not north korea. it's run by people who i think are quite bad in many ways but they're not lunatics like the north koreans. when the iranian regime which does care about what the world thinks, says we're not going to have nuclear weapons, that makes it harder for them to break that word. i think they'd be reluctant to do that and there are other things that set it back. >> do you think the president is a friend of israel? >> absolutely. i'm a friend of israel and i'm very critical of much of what israel has done. the best thing you can do for your friend is to tell you t friend when you think they're making a mistake. prime minister netanyahu's repudiation of a two-state solution and increase of the settlements is very bad for israel's security and political role nell the world.

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>> that was fun, wasn't it? >> it was amazing. it was nice of you to include me. >> it may be the city of brotherly love but this past friday philadelphia was all about the value of women and that's where we hosted the first of five know your value events aimed at empowering working women to communicate for themselves effectively. and for those of you who weren't there, here's what happened. more than 500 women showed up in philly as we put everything on the table -- how to negotiate and close the deal self-value health, and relationships. raw conversations and

inspiration from hoda brook shields, michelle smith, elizabeth warren andre leon tally just to name a few. all focused on getting or adding value. >> a woman does an extraordinary thing, goes and asks for a raise, they end up patting her on the back giving her a compliment saying "great job." and how many women have told you that's enough? they go back and they're happy. >> or get earrings like a gift or something. no gifts, thanks. >> i had like an epiphany one of those that you get sometimes and mine was four words, mine was "you can't scare me." we can be uniquely what we are and ask for what we deserve. >> the what you will gain when you try something difficult is a little bit of confidence. you bank confidence by going outside your comfort zone. >> if you don't have a seat at the table, you're probably on the menu. >> i'm more effective as a friend i'm more effective as a parent i'm more effective in my job because i have the clarity

to know that no matter what i'm going to be there for myself. >> who would hire you if you're not open to growth? stop managing the impression you're making on others and start managing the impression you're making on yourself. >> you're going to leave on a mission not just to know your value but to grow it. >> and our three finalists for the grow your value competition lit up the room. >> let's hear it for our contestants. let's hear it for them. they have been working hard for this moment and they are in prep mode. >> we closed the day with each finalist giving me a live one-minute pitch competing to win a $10,000 bonus. >> this is your moment. take it go. >> as a single mom when i told my daughter something would happen, i made sure it happened because she needed to know that you never give up. >> for the past three years, i have helped women look their best on the outside and now i want to help them be their best on the inside. >> i have learned that when you

know your value, you are called upon to live your strongest and your bravest life. the reason why i deserve the $10,000 bonus is because i'm here to answer that call with all of my heart. >> thank you. >> thank you. and the winner is joanna schwartz of philadelphia. [ applause ] this competition was meant to drive home the message that if you don't put yourself out there and advocate for yourself you never know what can happen. thank you so much. >> that's amazing mika just amazing. hartford was wonderful but this was -- took it to a whole new level. >> and we'll continue to grow it. the next know your value event is may 15 in washington, d.c. you can jump in to the competition or you can get tickets, just two to msnbc.com/knowyourvalue.

>> what was the best moment for you of the day? what was the highlight to you? >> listening to the pitches, having seen those video submissions and having seen how those three women evolved, denice ashton and joanna and getting to know them. there's so many cool people that jumped in. brook shields out of nowhere just jumped in and loved the concept so much that we've been talking and planning the next one. it feels like something's really starting. >> it's really special. it's a movement. it really is. and you've started it. >> well thank you for doing the role-playing. >> thank you for including me. that was great. up next, what, if anything, did we learn today? 40% of streetlights in detroit at one point did not work. at the time that the bankruptcy filing was done the public lighting authority had a hard time of finding a bank. citi did not run away from the table like some other bankers did. they had the strength to help us go to the credit markets and raise the money. it's a brighter day in detroit.

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welcome back to "morning joe." timed to talk about what we learned. mika? >> i learned hillary clinton is on the road and ready to sell a message and i can't wait to hear it. what did you learn? >> i learned that you had tough questions of carly fiorina, i thought that was a fascinating interview. i think it will pick up some play today. >> we'll see. i just think it's interesting the criticism. >> you know the tough interviews actually we find that the better candidates and carly will be judged on it, the better candidates take tough interviews and make them their own and make it a place where if you can stand up to the fire there and do well then you're actually -- >> what's that eleanor roosevelt statement about the tea bag.

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