>> the key city of ramadi on the brink of falling to isis. >> u.s. and the coalition strike air power to strike back is isil advance. >> the city itself is not want to get it back. the issue is not brick and mortar it's about defeating isil. >> after a trillion dollar 34,000 american lives, this is what 2003 has brought us. >> we'll be dealing with it forever. >> top advisers to hillary clinton confirm today her second presidential campaign swing will be to new hampshire next monday and tuesday. >> the state of new hampshire which is becoming an early battling ground for republicans, rick perry appearing at two events today. >> this isn't my first rodeo. i get it. >> just going to have fun. looking forward to breaking my diet. >> meanwhile jeb bush will take part in the politics and pie event. >> i have to prove i'm not running forrd if i go beyond the consideration of this trying to break the tie between the adams

family and bush family. really isn't my motivation but i have to prove that. >> welcome to "morning joe". top of the hour. good to have you all here on this friday. >> only one bit of news here. >> oh, my god, it's friday. oh no this is ridiculous. >> between you see will? holy cow, man. unbelievable. >> going to be so good.will? holy cow, man. unbelievable. >> going to be so good. >> luke i am your father. >> star wars is back. harrison ford looks great. hans solo. >> chewbacca. >> not a gray hair on that man. >> empire strikes back? >> no. >> return of the jedi? >> please she just doesn't get it, okay? i said to her, this -- in a way, it's a bit like shakespeare. she goes i position shakesthink shakespeare

is overblown, too. >> you walked out of star wars? >> i between asdid as a kid. the one with princess layeah had the hair -- >> she said i think shakespeare is overblown, too. so she is very hard to believe. >> every young boy had princess leah as a slave poster. >> willie still does. >> that doesn't sound right actually. amy holmes is here. anchor from the blaze tv. former governor of vermont, howard dean. >> gifted in politics he is. >> all you weird doughos. i just don't get it. let's talk politics. >> we have hillary and, boy, a

lot of reports on hillary being a little rigid right now. >> yeah. >> chris christie. reviews are still coming in. very interesting follow-up yesterday on that newspaper deal where i said the "new york times" headline? >> yes, the headline saying that bridgegate dogs chris christie. >> so there was a follow-up. i got a call or two from the people at the "times". >> and they were mad at you? >> no. will just shows -- >> they were upset for what you said. >> the writer was not -- reportedly. i didn't talk to the writer. but several calls the writer reportedly was not pleased with the headline. and so what we were saying yesterday -- >> might be true. >> and so many times journalists go out there and they report they will do a fair article on you. because they know he have to work with you. but it's for a newspaper that doesn't like you, and so they will slap on a bad headline a

are horrible picture, and they completely -- >> yeah i always wondered about the picture. the headline -- i could get mad because it's not accurate but "him don't think -- with the exception of the new york "post" who i always thought was the most undercompensated guy in new york. but the pictures. pictures of george w. bush in the "new york times" for eight years were always the most unflattering pictures i've ever seen. >> a picture says a thousand words, right? >> i found it time and time again, the photo editor has the most power at magazines, newspapers because you know what, if it they want to select a good photo, they do. and i know which publications when they printed stories when i was in politics and now, i know which ones you'll find the worst photos and which ones the most flattering. >> so not that it was inaccurate, most of the times,

it's that it only does one sliver of the story and this was bridgegate dogs chris christie. the headline perhaps more appropriately could have been christie draws huge crowds in new hampshire. or christie gets personal in new hampshire. which is just as new. or just as big. >> i think the bigger take is when you're reading the newspaper, you have to understand what you're doing. if there is a newspaper that has an agenda against howard dean or crist christy or whomever they may not get you with the story, but they will debt you with a headline and they will get you with the picture. it happened to me a thousand times. especially in a local newspaper. >> i'm not sure it's all conspiracy. >> no but the pictures are always -- >> and it comes in the context of "new york times" leading the coverage on bridgegate and hammering it every single day. so not just the one headline popped out. months and months of coverage.

>> the bridgegate story is a problem because it's with and ongoing attorney general investigation. >> we're just saying if you read the entire story, this was maybe one or two sentences out of it and you had a headline writer that said let's whip it up. >> now that we've had the "new york times" editorial meeting, like we're probably -- it is jeb bush's turn today. bush is taking his message to voters with a stop at politics and pie. the event lived up to its name with the presumed presidential contender diving into dessert, breaking his how do you say this -- paleo diet. >> so this is real special. this is treat night. hard winner in a lot of ways. >> hell with the diet.

>> okay. it's always fun to eat cake or whatever it is in front of people watching you and cameras clicking poor guy. the former governor also referenced food while taking a shot at the democratic front-runner when asked if he eats at chipotle. here you go amy. bush said he did but suggested it's a much more ordinary experience than that of hillary clinton's. >> yeah, i go there. the one on u.s. 1. >> so bush also used a little humor when asked why only two political families should hold the presidency for so many years. >> first of all, i have enough self awareness to know that that is an oddity. secondly, i have to prove that i'm not running for president if i go beyond the consideration of this being an active candidate

trying to break the tie between the adams family and the bush family. that's not my -- really isn't my motivation, but i have to prove that. >> i want to ask howard pretty likeable there. pretty relaxed. >> yeah. i mean although the interesting thing that struck me despite texas and florida, this is a northeastern family. his father -- he moved to the right when he became reagan's vice president, but george bush was a quintessential republican the kind my parents liked. and jeb still has a lot of those mannerisms. i think it will be a fascinating campaign because the republicans always try to do the really conservative thing and they always he said up nominating the more moderate mainstream person. which would be jeb bush. and they will try to again. and i think jeb bush probably wins, but this year there is a lot of anger in the republican party and a lot of redefining of who they are. and when that happens, it's

going to be a big deal. >> could go interesting. >> my only reaction to chipotlegate chipotlegate, let the fast food wars begin is wearing sunglasses inside. i thought that was odd for hillary. but it's april -- >> i now the this was sort of -- >> so you're still hung up. because you were out of the country when hillary -- you still want to talk about this story. i wear sunglasses all the time. >> in fast food restaurants? >> at night, in bed. just everywhere. >> i think they wanted to be under the radar. and i will explain why in the story we have about hillary coming up. so actually takes good question. joining us now from manchester, new hampshire -- >> i was expecting great insight on jeb bush primary and i get it going back to chipotle. >> kasie hunt caught up with bush and asked him about some of the key issues and candidates he's likely to face. >> reporter: good morning.

well, this new hampshire primary is stunningly wide open. and i think somebody -- i think it was bill crystal yesterday was talking about how jeb bush hasn't managed to clear out the field and think that was on display at this event that he held yesterday with politics and pie. he was challenged over and over and over again by voters you showed a little bit of him talking about his family. he was also challenged pretty aggressively on immigration and also on common core those two things that come up every time i've covered him here in new hampshire. but i also was thinking a little bit about the fact that income inequality and how we deal with that increasing gap is clearly going to be a central theme of this race. you heard it in marco rubio's announcement speech. and obviously we saw some private companies are starting to raise the minimum wage credit card company that offered all of its employees $70,000 a year as part of an effort to give everyone a living wage, i asked jeb bush whether or not he thought that was positive and if

he wasn't for raising the minimum wage what ideas he had about trying to close that gap. >> been bushed into the consciousness, he had somebody from a private company come out saying he was raising minimum wage to $70,000. i know you said you're against it, but if and you are against that, what is the solution? >> i'm not against the minimum wage. i'm against raising the minimum wage because it will create a reduction in jobs. so i saw the video, i actually went on youtube and cool kid that made this statement. i think it's wonderful if people voluntarily do that. that was an incredible gesture. it will help him retain employees and i assume he's in the san francisco area where there is big shortages and that will help his business. but a lot of businesses will have to lay people off if you raise the federal minimum wage. if states want to do it fine. but there are better ways. expanding the earned income tax credit is one simple way of doing it. making sure that people have skills to be able to get a job that is way above the minimum

wage is another. growing the economy faster so that people can rise up and aren't stuck in low paying jobs. there is a lot of ways to do this. this is all focus group poll driven -- this is not economic policy. >> reporter: so you heard him there say that it's okay with him if states raise the minute will mum wage. i would also point out that there is one candidate in the republican race who is in favor of slowly raying the federal minimum wage and that is rick santorum. >> so on the minimum wage am i wrong that there are some company, major, major companies that could raise the minimum wage and not lose jobs? the answer is yes. >> there are some that have raised it. you look at walmart -- >> yes, i know. and i don't think they're firing people. >> mika they made the decision and it's working out well for them. it's just like this worker that -- employer that raised to $70,000 minimum for everybody. as jeb bush said that's great

for retention, but that's the companies making the decision based on the economic reality in front of it and not the federal government making that decision. >> i think jeb bush made a point as if the guy was some cute little endeavor on the side. it's actually a responsibility at this point, howard dean, if people -- >> jeb actually said that this would help him retain employees because he was in an area this a geographic region where it is hard to retain employees and there is a shortage of employees. so it made economic sense for him. >> but that's not why he did it. >> i also heard jeb bush threading the needle. he said i'm for the minimum wage, i'm not for raising the minimum wage. which is a big challenge. can he appeal to conservatives without alienating the mainstream. >> this is a fascinating argument. the reason is in fact raising the minimum wage in theory could limit job, but it never does because the minimum wage is always substantially below where

it should be. so the interesting thing about this is you're now running into conservative theory, this is not a debate about facts. this is a debate about theoretical conthey're retceipt theoretical constructs. it's a total loser including for a lot of their own people.y're receipt theoretical constructs. it's a total loser including for a lot of their own people. >> economically there is a debate on whether jobs are lost whether you're actually just redistributing income from one group 12rugstruggling americans to another. >> and blocking out low wage work workers from those jobs. >> it's a theoretical debate because it never happens. >> ask those with only a high school education about competing with people. >> but $7.25 an hour, 40 hours a week gets you $15,000 a year.

that's not a living wage. i want to company back to kasie. i understand you asked him about marco rubio. a lot has been made about rubio jumping into the race given his close relationship with jeb bush. what did jeb tell you? >> reporter: they're both pretty close friends. i had talked to rubio earlier in the week and he said it's not a big deal when i talk to jeb bush, we text we've nope each other for years. so i asked jeb bush about it in new hampshire yesterday. >> should marco rubio have waited his turn? >> i love marco. he's a great guy. >> reporter: not a lot to say there. >> let me help you out. in the south, it's bless your heart, which really means you're dead. >> i think that was sort of a version of bless your heart. oh, my god that is so funny. >> he did say, though i think it was in a different interview, he said he's a great guy and you

will not hear me criticize marco rubio in this campaign. whether he can stick to that remains to be seen, but he said he's a friend. >> reporter: i have a sneaking suspicion if rubio ever gets anywhere close to jeb bush in the polls, i cannot imagine that promise being kept. >> kasie hunt, thank you so much. let me squeeze this in. hillary clinton, campaign announcement, she's going to travel to new hampshire monday and tuesday of next week. the first of many conversations about how to make the economy work for every day americans. >> she's all about getting in touch with everyday americans. real americans. >> but as she leaves iowa she brings with her new questions about her campaign's authenticity authenticity. the daily mail reports that her campaign staff recruited some of those everyday americans that she met with in iowa. >> are you telling me there is

gambling in las vegas? >> it reports one was a former obama campaign intern who was vetted for half an hour and then driven by a clinton staffer to sit in the iowa coffee shop. >> it's a matrix. >> rest we'll get to later. >> willie geist -- >> this this is the thing i want to see her go to a town hall i want to see her do what i know she can do. she does have it in her. >> what is the "daily mail" is this why would you believe this? if it was the new york "post," would you believe it? >> i love the "daily mail". >> it's entertaining, but it's like the new york "post". >> come on, they have pictures of the guy -- >> you put pictures up and say this is the -- >> so you're suggesting right now that -- so you're slandering the "daily mail" and you're suggesting that the "daily mail" made this up? you're deflecting. >> do i think it's possible that

the right wing press makes stuff up? i absolutely do. >> do you think they made it up in this instance? >> they could have. >> hillary's problem is and you then tis authenticity. so she stages the entire event? that is the problem. >> can you put that picture up again, please. >> thanks. campaign staff drove ordinary iowa apes to hillary's first campaign stop. that guy. so maybe they're lying. >> i don't know if they're lying or not but they're not incapable of making things up. >> who the clintons on or the "daily mail" about. >> the press. >> lear's the deal. the past couple dareys, and i really we shall you wouldn't make me say this, because i'd love to see her do well. but what i've seenoff the past few days are set up

conversations with very flat voiced messaging. they can't have her in a crowd of people coming at her and asking her questions. they are wrong. she's accomplished she's articulate and she can handle herself. let her go. look at what chris christie can in new hampshire. he has everything dogging him. he has his entire credibility on the line and quite frankly probably won't make it because of bridgegate. he goes to new hampshire, stands in front of 300 people and let them tear him apart and he does just fine. you think hillary clinton, who is elected senate twice, who served as first lady as secretary of state, cannot handle a crowd in new hampshire? you have to prepare people for her? >> i don't think this has anything to do with that. >> if you campaign as an authentic candidate, you have to be an authentic candidate. >> it's not authentic what we saw this year. >> her campaign staff should be listening because it doesn't just at that time daily maltake the

"daily mail" to report these facts. >> we had jon meacham yesterday identify the iowa work space where she was working as dunder mifflin. it all is so staged. >> there is nothing new about staged campaign events, but if the hillary campaign want it is to be different, it has to be more than a marketing strategy and cut her loose. don't you think she should be out there? >> she should be like you, howard. >> do i get a word this here edge wise? >> as long as you don't deflect. >> kircan i talk? can i talk here? like ross paerotperot. >> i can't say i'm all ears here. here is my deal on this. first of all, i think that what hillary clinton wants right now out there is her message. and she does not -- first hillary clinton does not need to do what chris christie is doing because -- >> then don't say you are. don't say you're listening to

real people. >> i think she is listening to real people. i thought her message was great and i think you're fine if you want to say all this but i'm not obsessed with hillary. >> what is her message? because she said i'm not going to give you my message until i talk to the real lobbyists. sorry about that. i mean real people. >> i thought her message was great actually. >> which is what? >> which is what are we going to do about ordinary people trying to make a living where the deck is stacked against them. she talked about campaign finance reform income inequality, not the using those words which i think is a good choice, and she wanted to get her message out there unencumbered by all the things that you all love because you're in the media. i think she's trying to by pass the media which is driving you crazy and i think it's smart. >> if i was in that cadre of reporters,. >> you're deflecting again trying to make it about us.

>> no, i think you guys are making it about us. >> i actually think she would do great. >> i think she is doing great. >> well that's where we disagree. i think she'll still win. how about that? we'll agree on that. still ahead on "morning joe," this weekend marks 20 years since the oklahoma city bombing. senator james langford joins us. and nealil degrasse tyson, and a little later, money party himself, dylan ratigan. >> remember that experiment with dylan, the astro physicist? >> so on the set dylan will be here. but first -- >> i'm trapped in this plane. i called my job but i'm in this plane. >> you're where? >> i'm inside the plane and i feel like it's up moving in the air. flight 448. can you please tell somebody stop it?

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let's take a look at some of the morning papers. minnesota star -- >> hold on. the "daily mail" is a right wing newspaper. >> it's a tabloid. >> but it's also beyond that it has the greatest reach online. and breaks a lot of news stories. >> like teacher seduces child and all this -- i mean really, please, give me a break. >> are you from 1971? >> i see the british version of the "daily mail". they're right wing and nutty. >> they're not right wing. they go after everybody. and their online presence -- >> george bush invading iraq "daily mail" is completely against that. >> the "daily mail" is i think one of the most important online

publications going. i've never seen any right wing bias in there. >> they have a lot of misspellings. >> they do not. >> we're very sorry that -- >> you know who never any miss spells, minnesota star tribute. adrian peterson has been reyou reinstated by the nfl. he was us a sended after an incident in which he disciplined his 4-year-old son with a switch. while now eligible to participate in team activities it's not clear whether he will rejoin the vikings. his agent says he wants to play for a different team but the vikings don't appear as if they will trade the running back. peterson must continue to follow the treatment and counseling program. >> and from khq, a dramatic rescue in lewis topton, iowa. a good samaritan pulling a motor

vis wrist to safety 29-year-old jason wornick. he said he saw debris in the roadway and he noticed an suv hanging from above just a chain link fence stopped the car from falling. >> then i see him beating on the door. >> reporter: a 23-year-old was stug inside. >> i go get him out of there before that against gives. >> reporter: he took off running. >> so i ran across the walkway and down along the fence line there to right here was where he was hanging. and i was thinking god, don't let me have a laert atheart attack before i get to him. >> reporter: he got the passenger window open. sgr gave >> gave me his hand and that was it. >> that's incredible. nice work jason. the first picture showed that cliff. an incredible move. risked his own life. >> and what happens depend and again again and again is the courage people show.

and that happens every day in this country. really incredible. >> from nbc news.com, we're hearing the frantic 911 call from midair on monday it came from an airport baggage handler. you'll remember this story who fell asleep in the cargo hold of an alaska airlines jet before takeoff. the worker is heard pleading for help trying to explain he's trapped inside the belly of the passenger jet. nbc news national correspondent miguel almaguer has the details. >> reporter: the alaska airlines flight was departing seattle bound for los angeles when the 911 call came in from the plane's cargo hold. >> 911. >> hello i'm trapped in this plane. i called my job but i'm in this plane. >> you're where? >> i'm inside the plane and i feel like it's up, moving in the air. flight 448. can you please tell somebody stop it. >> reporter: the caller an employee who lows bags on to the

plane, told authorities he took a nap. trapped with the flight on the move dispatchers are confused. >> where are you in the plane? >> i'm inside the plane. alaska airlines plane flight 448. >> are you at the airport? >> i'm not in the airport. i feel like it's moved because i feel like -- >> reporter: the emergency call lasts 48 seconds and then suddenly drops off. >> are you by yourself or are you with somebody? >> reporter: with the plane climbing at 5,000 feet passengers hear banging and a scream from below their feet. >> he was like help, help! like what? >> reporter: airborne for 14 minutes, the trapped man was near the nose where it's pressurized and temperature controlled. the pilot made an emergency landing. the baggage employee able to walk off the plane. >> wow. miguel almaguer reporting. >> when that happened to you in

'76, how did it feel? >> we didn't have cell phones then, so i had to take the whole ride to tokyo. >> all the way it tokyo. >> nonstop. heck of a ride. all the way to tokyo. >> move on. >> so u.s. "today" and everywhere in the world really the force back. the new trail forestar wars episode 7 the force awakens revealed at an annual fan gathering in anaheim on thursday. offers a thrilling mix of old and new for all fans of the sci-fi saga. >> listen to that music. >> the two minute teaser opens with a shot of the plan either and 15 seconds in we hear the familiar voice of mark hamill. >> the force is strong in my family. my father has it. i have it.

my sister has it. you have that power, too. >> wait a second. they didn't show hans solo and -- >> 20 seconds of the trailer. >> you're like a trekky. >> no, not star trek. different movie. >> what is this? >> that was star wars. >> what the -- what is the difference? >> could you just please -- >> you're embarrassing yourself. >> please put down the sharp objects that are cutting up your reputation right now. >> wait a minute. star trek, star wars seriously. >> i'm going to move along. >> star search? >> both cute different series. >> in iowa for three days and spoke to this young man who was taken in the back and beaten for

30 minutes before -- >> okay. howard thinks i'm obsessed. >> and had shock devices placed on him before being allowed to be an overday person. vetted for 30 minutes. hillary's people vet this kid for 30 minutes before he can sit down and go like this. coming up the u.s. is more concerned about stopping isis around an oil refinery than around one of iraq's biggest cities. and next on "morning joe," more star wars. shallow... but, i have a wandering eye. i mean, come on. national gives me the control to choose any car in the aisle i want. i could choose you... or i could choose her if i like her more. and i do. oh, the silent treatment. real mature. so you wanna get out of here? go national. go like a pro.

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it almost sounds as if there may be insufficient forces or resources to keep ramadi from falling. how critical would it be if it fell into the hands of isis for the overall war effort? >> the city itself is not symbolic in anyway. it's not been declared part of the caliphate on one hand or central to the future of iraq. but we want to get it back. the issue here is not brick and mortar it's about defeating isil. so as i said i'd much rather that ramadi won't fall but it won't be the end of a campaign should it fall. >> that was general martin

dempsey. >> i really like general dempsey. he talks straight and doesn't really -- unlike a lot of generals i've seen in the pentagon and i love all the generals in the pentagon and admirals, but they are great politicians. by the time at the get more than a few stars on there, they're really good politicians. general dempsey talks straight. he doesn't really seem to care what political powers that be think. >> joining us now is richard hunt. >> he was talking about something, paint drying or trade deals. why didn't we talk about isis and ramadi and -- how are we doing in that fight? >> not so good. >> really? >> there are areas in iraq where things are going okay, area where is they're not. the problem is not simply the strength of isis they continue to get recruits they continue to get money and arms but also the weakness and the divisions obviously on the iraqi side. you have government forces which are divided and in a many cases

militias kurds are doing their own thing. we can talk about iraq all we want as a normal intact country, but the fact is it isn't. >> and is there another town falling and how symbolic or important is that in the fight? >> it's important because momentum matters. what you want to do is send the message that the momentum is going against isis. that will slow the recruits and the money. if however it looks like isis is the future, it becomes self-reinforcing. >> how can isis still be on the march when they're being bombed you have more of a focus on them -- it was one thing when they were just running across the country and facing no resistance. but how does this continue? >> again, they have a constant flow of recruit, they have commitment and tenacity on their side. who they're up against are in many cases poorly trained. >> but the recruits are poorly trained. isis will take anybody unlike

other terror organizations. if you were a muslim you're part of the caliphate and they bring you in. >> but also they have battle hardened fighters who have been at it for a long time. and again, joe they have this base in syria while get bombed intermittently, they have a lot of area where they are able to organize and consolidate. like the refinery battle we're seeing iraqi government forces have limited capacity. >> richard, i'll ask you to put your long term hat on. most people think that borders of the middle east will be rearranged as a result of all this. how long do you think it will take and what do you think it will look like 15 years from now? >> first of all, i think that is exactly right. what i call the rand mcnally middle east. particularly this places like iraq and syria, i think western iraq and eastern syria, the sunni areas, the border is

already irrelevant. that won't change. but there will there are fundamental questions about whether you'll ever have an iraq or a syria. just as big are the questions inside yemen inside saudi arabia, inside libya. you have already four or so failed states, iraq, yemen, libya, possibly others. the complex shopion of states could change. analogy is the 30 years war. joe remembers it. first half of the 17th century. >> it was a good one. some great music came out of that. >> decade of political religious struggles. i think this has the potential because there is so much fuel, you mix politics and religion it is toxic, you have insiders outsider civil wars proxy wars. no reason to think this won't go on for a while. >> first time anybody tried to put a fuzz box with a man mandolin. >> no bounds.

>> this is his approach to the 30 year war. feel my pain? >> almost like he wasn't listening to your point. >> almost. >> richard, let me ask you, the white house has gone to great pains to suggest that they have unwound the war in iraq that the role of american troops there is very limited. what is the truth for the american people watching the show, are there men and women who are fighting who are facing combat, who are being shot at in iraq right now? >> americans? >> yeah americans. >> for the most part, no. we're still in a largely advisory training. but at some point we'll have to get out more there and conceivably the debate will come in syria. i think when you look at iraqi government forces, they can't do it all by themselves. one thing to say we'll train them or feed them intelligence but then you're on your own, and the answer is they won't do very well. so that will be the next debate not just in iraq, but also syria sooner rather than later. >> richard, i'm so sorry to say

we're out of time because i wanted to talk to you about the transpacific trade agreement. [ snoring ] >> joe -- >> okay. go ahead. >> this is 40% of the world. big part of the world economy, first of all. economically, we're talking about what it could do for jobs in this country and around the world. global economic growth will go up if it passes. it won't go up in it doesn't. politically, and howard can speak to this, it will be i think the major political litmusic party. all the frustrations over inequality will be focused on this. trade will be blamed for all sorts of things it ought not to be blamed for. strategically, if we can't -- >> there is a guy trapped in the belly of this plane, you have to ring in for a landing. go ahead. >> strategically, you can talk all you want about rising china threats in asia. if we don't pass this, the american strategic position in asia will suffer tremendously. south korean president, chinese

president, all coming to washington in the next couple of months. this is big strategic stuff. >> it's huge. it is historic. and i'm going to get a loop of this and instead of that white noise, i'm just to do trade agreement. >> i want to ask him about a no-fly zone in syria. >> how about over the capitol. >> and then there is still iran. congress will now have a say in the deal with iran but is the agreement slowly pulling apart? senator james lankford weighs in when we come back.

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coming we'll show that -- that is a security video? >> we'll show it right now. >> no, we'll do the senator thousand and we'll do this in

three minutes. i was actually talking about security video of someone being -- >> oh, this reporter extraordinarily rude. >> we'll have that in the next block because we're getting ready here. joining us from oklahoma city, member of the senate appropriations committee and select committee on intelligence james lankford. >> have you ever seen the star wars trailer? >> on your show but that's all i've seen. i do remember standing in line with my mom back in the 1970s to watch the very first sartar wars ss movie. sglifs >> i was telling my mom this and she didn't remember. i went to see the very first one with my mom. richard haass' mom, she wanted to relate with him, would talk

about trade agreements. very boring. all right. so anyway senator, thank you so much for being with us. we have so much to talk about. i want to start with the conversation we had with richard about isis. it appears that isis is still on the march, still on the march, moving toward ramadi. what did we do? >> they're still on the march. also the time for war during that area. we remember a lot of the battles go in cycles in that zone and so that they will dial up and down. it is the springtime, the time that a lot of the battle happens in that area. and they're moving up checked through areas. serial obviously can't do anything about it. we're trying to defeat assad i hope at this point. taking an aggressive movement toward assad as well as what is happening in isis and syria. but basically isis can move unchecked in syria at this point. so they can still move back and forth. we have to be able to at that time battle to isis in syria in f. we're ever going to take this seriously. >> so let's talk about the neighboring country, iran, and the proposed deal with the united states and five other

country. you're opposed to the nuclear deal. tell us why. >> my key issue right now i'm waiting for the final details of it, but the framework that has come out, i have real concerns on. the u.n. several years ago said iran shouldn't have the goose enrich uranium. we are apparently agreeing on 5,000 centrifuges. the others would be put with a tape over them saying do not cross but they still have thousands available to them. we're talking about releasing over $100 billion in money back to iran a country that is actively promoting thathamas and hezbollah. the people in oklahoma and the american people do not trust this administration. and i'm not meaning the obama administration, i mean the regime that is in iran to be able to actually hold to their side of the bargain. >> richard haass. >> i understand the concerns about the agreement, but given that we are where we are, that

the united states unilaterally were to say we're not going ahead, or congress were to vote it down and override a presidential presidential vee presidential veto, would we be seen as the problem? >> i think it would be a mix. different countries would press on with the deals. some started a year ago gee when we started these conversations saying we'll release sanctions so they started those contracts. others would move with us. we've seen already when the united states says if you do business with xyz, we won't allow your banks to do business with us. being the world's currency matters. and so they will pull back and say we won't do business as long as the americans say we won't do business if we do business with iran. it would be a he can with aened impact. obviously russia talking about sending defensive missiles to iran. it's ironic thing to me that we're actually negotiating for iran to be able to sell their

oil on the world market and we still can't get american oil on the world market. >> senator, this is willie geist. an issue closer to home this weekend you all will mark the 20th anniversary of the oklahoma city bombing. i think there is no one in this country who doesn't remember where he or she was when that terrible news came across 20 years ago. what are your thoughts as we approach this anniversary? >> it's actually very interesting. you talk about no one in this country sdchbt remember doesn't remember. for those of us who remember, we lose track of fact that there is a whole generation that does not remember. it was 20 years ago. if you're about 25 years old or younger, you have no real recollection of that time period at all. and so we come back again to remember as we do in oklahoma city every single year on the anniversaries we gather at the memorial sight we pause, we read the 168 names and we remember the first responders the families, the survivors. and those that were lost and we think it's extremely important and this year there is an

emphasis on engaging in acts of service especially with those you disagree with. set a standard for the nation as we set 20 years ago of how we will respond to hatred and violence. >> senator james lankford thank you so much for that and thank you for being on. still ahead, angry comments to a tow company employee leaves one espn reporter suspended and apologizing. we'll have that story and the video ahead. my mileageplus® explorer card. we're saving our united miles... ...for a trip to hawaii. we love free checked bags. i've saved $75 in checked bag fees. no foreign transaction fees means real savings. we can go to any country and spend money the way we would in the u.s. one of the best things about priority boarding is you can just get on the plane and relax. i put everything on the explorer card. i really want my united miles.

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welcome back to "morning joe". mike barnicle and howard dean -- >> yeah he's over there. he's at the "daily mail" camp. >> there he is. and joining the table, columnist t.j. robinson.

>> did you watch star wars? >> absolutely. i would like to see the entire trailer actually. >> would you like that is this can we play it now or after news? >> let's play it now. ♪ >> the force is strong in my family. my father has it. i have it. my sister has it. you have that power, too.

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catholic. >> i could not think of a worst thing to do with my time, i'm sorry. i would not make it through that. are you all serious? >> i want to buy my ticket now. >> go get in line right now. >> i'm so there. >> i just need a wrap because i have chills. >> this is how we started the top of the hour at 7:00 a.m. eastern time. >> biggest story in america. >> this is a big deal. >> how about politics? i'm just going to move on. >> how with harrison ford. >> we're home. >> what a treat. >> and you can see the j.j. even in a driller. >> this is going to be amazing. >> millennium falcon going all those places. >> in and out of monsters. that's what it does. >> that thing handles great. >> i was on it the other day

from boston to new york and made it here in 25 seconds. >> i do like that it brings you joy. >> it brings me such joy. i told you this, one of the great joys is for jack being six years old being able to be -- yesterday i had a meeting in the city. and i called jack yesterday morning and it was right before he went off to school, i said jack, what are we doing today. >> he said you're picking me up and then we're going to go home and watch the fanphantom menace. okay. i canceled four meetings and it was such a joy to see it through their eyes. >> i won't argue with that. sfwh he'll sfwh . >> he'll love it. my boys, everybody. this is a huge -- you know, we're going to -->> he'll love it. my boys, everybody. this is a huge -- you know, we're going to -->> he'll love it. my boys, everybody. this is a huge -- you know, we're going to -- this december we'll have christmas too, but the family holiday will center around this movie.

>> let's go to another type of movie and that's politics. 2016. hillary clinton campaign announced that she is going to travel to new hampshire monday and tuesday saying quote, it will be the first of many conversations with granite staters about how to make the economy work for everyday americans. but as she leaves iowa she brings with her new questions about her campaign's authenticity. the "daily mail" reports that her campaign staff recruited some of those everyday americans that she met with in iowa. the site reports one was a rm former obama campaign and vetted a half an hour and then drove to sit in the iowa coffee shop hat candidate visited on tuesday. >> and that reminds me of the "new york times" reporter who quent went to the bathroom and staff member for hillary followed with her and stood outside the stall. i mean a little bit of control.

>> do you think there is a little control freakishness happening? >> sort of. >> what do you think of this story? >> well, first of all, i would -- i'd love to have a second source on the story. but it's a pretty good story, right? >> did the events that she's had over the past few days meeting with real americans out on the road seem incredibly natural? >> well, no. it's a campaign launch. so there is nothing natural about a campaign launch. >> no one's going to say it. >> what do you mean? >> say what? >> compare hillary's sort of staged, very stiff and awkward dunder mifflin round table event with -- that is jon meacham's expression not mine -- with say for instance chris christie going from town hall meeting to town hall meter, dineet meeting, diner

to diner, does hillary have to do that or does she say in moth balls? >> she doesn't haven't to do anything she doesn't want to do because she doesn't have any meaningful opposition to the democratic nomination. she doesn't have to do anything that any of us might want her to do at the this point. she can stay strategic and staged if indeed anything was staged. >> so obviously that was a big knock on her in the 2008 campaign. i guess the past is also prologue. but she doesn't have to stay this way, but if she wants to contrast herself from 2008 i don't think this is a great way to start. >> we talked about this yesterday. she needs a primary opponent. she'll get in campaign shape. she's clearly not in full cam an shape yet. chris christie has been doing this his entire term as governor up totown hall meetings.

she has not been. so this is her first week of spring training. >> that's fine but don't say you are. and then i'll let it go. she said she's meeting with ordinary americans. and but she's in a chipotle in sunglasses to make sure no one sees her and then you see these beautifully lit meetings. come on, i'm serious. >> i guess i'm with you, me came i think the point you were making last hour is a good one which is that she's capable of so much more and everyone knows that. but i guess the spotlight on her is and always will be ten times brighter than it is on any other candidate. so was they rollout anymore stilted than ted cruz's or was it anymore stilted than marco rubio's? i don't know. but we're all looking at her more intensely than we are some of the other candidates. >> i would say ted cruz and marco rubio are doing their announcements which i

criticized but they're also doing interviews with reporter, enter acting with fellow members of congress every time everywhere. and everything here is very planned and i truly would love to see her go out there, because we do know her. we've seen her. >> you will. >> incredible in new hampshire. >> it's true. >> last time around. she's got skills. >> at some point she has to move into that mode. >> i can't wait it seeto see it. she's also under scrutiny about a story she told about her grandmother's immigration to the united states. here's the story she told this week and then back in 2014. >> a lot of immigrant stories. all my grand parents came over here. and my grandfather went to work in a lace mill in scranton pennsylvania and worked until he retired at 65. my grandmother on my father's side hannah jones rodham she immigrated as a young girl to

scranton and went to work very young in a silk mill. >> according to census records obtained by buzzfeed clinton's grandmother was in fact born in pennsylvania. the campaign issued a statement that reads her grandparents always spoke about the immigrant experience and as a result she has always thought of them as immigrants. and has been correctly pointed out while her grandfather was -- >> what's the story here? she said they were immigrants they were born in america? >> one of them. >> one of them. i'm as bored as i was when richard haass was trying to talk about trade. >> i was riveted. >> now jeb bush's turn to be this new hampshire. he's taking his message for voters at a stop -- >> i told alex i wasn't feeling it. >> let's not go too deep on this stuff. i mean come on. anyway -- >> i agree with you only thing i would say is if the media will

nit-pick on marco rubio's immigration story of his parents, then -- >> that's a good point. they did hammer his story. and i know this because my parents were -- they escaped from a turkish prison. i was a boy and they were cradling me in their hand and they were nervous. and though i was only three years, i looked up and i said one word my father looking at me, and i said courage. my first word, courage. yes, and they ran they shot -- people were firing at them. and then i went back to visit the same turnkish prison involuntarily. >> my parents were fleeing strive on the planet some imperial sort of -- but they made it here. >> anyway jeb bush we digress,

was eating pie yesterday. take a look. jeb bush eating pie. do we have that racked? >> so this is a real special night for the governor. this is treat night. long hard winter in a lot of ways. >> hell with the diet. >> msnbc pie eating correspondent kasie hunt caught up with bush after the event and got him to weigh in on issues like minimum wage as well as the candidacy of his old friend cake eater marco rubio. >> been pushed into the consciousness, you had somebody from a private company come out and say he would raise employees minimum wage to $70,000. i know you said you're against it, but if you're against that what is the solution? >> i'm not against the minimum wage. i'm against raising it because it will create a reduction in jobs. i saw the video i went on

youtube and cool kid that made this statement. i think it's wonderful if people voluntarily do that. that was an incredible gesture. it will help him retain 34r0i employees. i assume he's in the san francisco area where there is big shortages and that gesture will help his business. but a lot of businesses that will have to lay people off if you raise the federal minimum wage. if states want to do it fine. but there better ways. expanding the earned income tax credit is a simple way of doing it. making sure people have skills to be able to get a job that is way above the minute mumg wage is another. growing the economy faster so that people can rise up and aren't stuck in low paying jobs. there a lot of ways to do this. this is all focus group poll driven this is not economic policy. >> should marco rubio have waited his turn? >> i love marco. he's a great guy. >> bless his heart. >> a great gay.

>> he said he loved marco so much he wanted to cry. i love jeb's tone there. i think he's pretty relaxed. pretty cool. >> relaxed, open. >> wasn't taking himself too seriously. and unlike a lot of these candidates that get out there, doesn't seem like he's calculating every word. he's a smart guy. he's a pro. >> he looked loose yesterday in new hampshire. he did say as i pointed out last hour that he would never criticize marco rubio because of their friendship. we'll see how long that lasts. let's move on to this story. espn reporter britt mchenry has been suspended for one week after security video showed her berating a towing company employee in what appears to be an edited tape mchenry's insults continued after she was warned she was being recorded. here is a portion of that exchange. >> i'm in the news sweetheart. i will [ bleep ] this place. >> i'll play your video, so careful. >> i have a degree.

i wouldn't work a place like this. makes my skip crawl even being here. >> well, let's get you out of here quickly. >> yep that's all you care about is taking people's money. with no education, no skill set just wanted to clarify that. do you feel good about your job? so i could be a college dropout and do the same thing? maybe if i was missing some teeth they would hire me huh? >> mchenry expressed regret on twitter after the tape came out yesterday writing in an intense and stressful moment i allowed my emotions to get the best of me and said some insulting and regrettable things. as i said, she's suspended for the time being. >> she attacked her for her weight. and she was warned. >> and the woman actually was decent enough to tell her watch out, you're on camera. the woman was actually being sweet to this woman, this

reporter who was insulting her. and she continued. >> and this is the kind of thing that really, i mean -- it's not what you see on the air. it's everybody that you interact with in life. and there is no reason to be that unkind to anybody. none. >> we've all known people or at least i have where they're very nice to you and then you'll go somewhere with them and you'll see how they treat other people. and you'll take a couple steps back and just be shocked. >> yeah. >> just -- wow. >> you want to know about character, look at how people treat people that they don't have to be nice to. and see what they're like. and i think we saw what she's like. >> her car was towed and she was clearly popping off because she was so frustrated about that. >> no one's happy to have his or her car towed.

>> i remember that happening to me and saying to the person i know this is not your fault and then going -- being really, really upset about it. but not at the person. >> i can understand getting angry at tow companies. totally beyond bounds. but stuff like that after she's warned as you point out -- and the car shear was kind enough to say watch out, i've got a camera. still ahead on "morning joe," the tulsa reserve deputy facing manslaughter charges after the death of a suspect is breaking his silence. we'll hear from him as new questions emerge about his training. and teen use of traditional cigarettes is at a record low and you'd think that is good news, right? >> in part because i think e gets. >> new concerns, why the cdc says one product may be more dangerous than believed. we'll be right back.

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my taser is right here in the front tucked in a protective vest. my gun itself is on my side normally to the rear. >> people will look at that mr. bates, and say how could you make this mistake. how could you think you were going for your taser on your chest tucked in to that vest and accidently pull your weapon. >> let me say this has happened a number of times around the country. i have read about it in the past. i thought to myself after reading several cases i don't understand how this can happen. you must believe me it can happen to anyone. >> that was robert bates the reserve sheriff's deputy from tulsa, oklahoma charged with second degree manslaughter speaking out just moments ago on "today".

let's bring in gabe guttierez live from what's the latest on that investigation? >> reporter: state lawmakers calling for an independent investigation of the reserve deputy program as the. this morning questions are swirling about bob bates' training. >> i shot him, i'm sorry. >> reporter: before the 73-year-old said he accidentally shot and killed the suspect in an undercover sting brace. on april 2, bates was acting as backup as a body camera captured sheriff's deputies chasing eric harris. bates said he thought he was pulling out his taser but instead fired his gun. that explanation has outraged some. >> if he had as much training as he supposedly had, he would definitely know a .357 from a taser. >> reporter: a summary of state

records shows bates had almost 300 showers of training since 2008. >> is he wellhe with well this excess of what you would anticipate someone would have meeting minimum requirements. >> reporter: but the sheriff acknowledged his office had not been able to find all of bates' gun certification records since the instructor no longer worked there. >> we can't find the records that she supposedly turned in. so we'll talk to her to find out if for sure he did qualify with those. >> reporter: now citing mull will tip he will mulltiple sources, super virz ors were ordered to falsify training records and some who refused were transferred. the report has not been verified for nbc news. a spokesman says we don't respond to rumor. >> he got the training was signed off. that's the way it went. >> reporter: bates is charged

with second degree manslaughter. he's free on bail. he's expected to be arraigned next week and his attorney said he plans to plead not guilty. and as you saw as he spoke out on "today," he's apologizing to air eric harris' family. >> gabe, thank you. we didn't show the apology part of it. what you saw in my response there when the camera came right back was i guess i'm just shocked at how poorly he is prepared by his teams or whatever his own brain, to defend himself. i i know it appeared very much like it was a terrible mistake but to go on national television and say it's very easy that this could happen it could happen to anyone it just doesn't seem like he should be saying that. somebody else maybe can show some real data can show some other case where is this has happened. that was powerful but also just

really not smart. >> totally ill advised. does he not have a lawyer? >> i think they were sitting next to him in that shot. >> i'm just speechless. i cannot imagine a lawyer allowing a client who is charged with a serious crime to go on national television like that and to blab about it. >> and to show how he missed one weapon which was here and another was here and how it's happened before. if it has happened before the lawyer should be giving explicit details on those cases to show again and again and have a scroll of them and have his defense, whatever. it's not my job, but my god, he just made a bad situation worse from what i saw there. >> you're exactly right. we all have the same location which is you can understand the impulse to want to defend yourself when you're in the middle of a national controversy. and you see all these people around you like us talking about the case. but for the lawyer to allow his client to question on national

television, all of that can be used in court as evidence and it's not very good pr for mr. bates. >> and it happens all the time is not an excuse even if that's true and i don't know that it is. it's not an excuse for it happening to you. >> oh, my gosh. coming up there are 60,000 people under the age of 21 behind bars in the u.s.. how can they be reformed to make sure they do to the return to prison? that's the focus of a new documentary. ok. this role is about energy... we're looking for a luxury hybrid with the best city fuel economy rating... the lincoln mkz hybrid. and who has one starting price for gas or hybrid? mkz hybrid again. mm-hmm. upstaged them. the lincoln luxury uncovered event is on. lease the mkz or mkz hybrid for $289 a month.

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will have to control their rage. >> that was a scene from the documentary kids behind bars soledad o'brien special report airing. great to see you. >> nice to see you. >> this looks really good. >> we got great access inside the skr paul taylor center in new mexico. pd they're trying to figure out how do you reform juvenile justice in a way that gets you to the goal that you want which is spend less money on it and also see if you can rehabilitate the kids in some capacity. >> because they are kids. >> they were sued by the aclu in the early 2000s because there were lots of allegations of brutality, sexually assaulting the kids physically assaulting the kids. one guy in the documentary who was eight when he was first incarcerated talked about being 12 and being in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day at a 12-year-old. it was very typical.

so what they have done in new mexico is try to figure out if they can repeat what they have done in missouri, what they call the missouri miracle which is lower recidivism get more kids out of the system and have more programs. >> how do you do that? >> you change the philosophy. for more solitary confinement, the corrections officers actually operate more like coaches and mentors. they're still corrections officer, they still break up fights. but the idea is that they actually -- >> does it require new corrections officers? >> requires a lot of training. i think the training could be more intense, they get about six weeks which i think is on the thin side. but i think it's more of a buy-in. a big challenge has been the corrections officers who believe a different philosophy. >> have they seen a receipt dramatic change? >> i think it's really early in the process. they certainly have seen it in missouri. and they're not doing exactly in new mexico what they have done in missouri. but i think that they're really looking at how you can give

these kids more therapy, et cetera, and hope that they will have less recidivism. they haven't actually seen those results yet, but it's really very early in. costs a lot of money. in new mexico $88,000 to keep a kid, a juvenile. >> so you mentioned a kid who was incarcerated at eight? >> he was incarcerated at eight. some as young as ten. so some of these rules were considered completely inhumane. who would put a 12-year-old regardless what have they have done for n. solitary confinement for 23 hours a day? >> i think viewers will be shocked. >> and that kid goes on to incarcerated. most of these kids thousand get education. a lot of kids who are locked up are not being he had indicated. they changed the holgd.

they could do more. it's early on. but we wanted to see what the options were. >> i guess the question is if this is working at least in the early stage, you say they're doing it with less money, why aren't they trying it everywhere? is. >> i think a lot of people are. i think when they looked at the missouri miracle, i think a lot of states -- one of the reasons they gave us great access is that they're to figure out what is the model. and it's bipartisan. there is a side that says this is too expensive, there is a side that says this is immoral and unjust. so they are coming together to say what can do you do. >> is it less expensive? >> at the front end, it's not. you have to retrain, rebuild all these facilities. but i think long time, yeah. >> this is more than just about costs. it's a long term investment. you look he costs of incarceration across the country over the life of these kids.

>> they're children. >> it oustght to be cost effective. has to be. >> so how much time did you spend in there and dove certain characters that you profiled? >> we spent about a year and a half working on this project. some for assaulting a police officer, some for shoplifting, kids are incarcerated there for killing people. >> the solitary -- >> eric was involved in the earlier version, which was very very brutal. he talked about just constantly the fighting and how dangerous it was. and coming into the system at eight and being back in by age 12. how just he was constantly fearful and to the point whereas a gasoline map, he's in his 30s, he cries about that experience to this day. i mean, just heartbreaking. and again, regardless of how you feel about incarceration, i think everyone has to decide like what is the end goal. what do you want to get out of it. and then once you figure that, you sort of reverse engineer it.

>> so with all that you have on your plate, including four kids, sole tad owedad o'brien, all in their pre-teen -- >> they're raising themselves. >> let me just say the pack of wolves in the backyard are helping. >> yes. i throw cheerios at them in the morning and say good luck. >> i remember when you were pregnant with one -- or i think there were two. >> yeah twins. a long 17 months of pregnancy. >> you were unbelievable. >> yes, i was. and angry. >> no you were really nice. but you're hosting this week he said the globeoig the global citizen festival. >> they're expecting at least a quarter of a million people which of course as a viewer, that's exciting. as the people doing the logistics, like -- aah! but it's great and an important way to bring awareness as you well know because msnbc is the broadcast partner for it to bring awareness to where you

could actually focus on solving this issue of poverty around the globe. but you have to bring the public to care and then the public has to put pressure on elected girls to actually assign some money to the problem. so i think it's actually a wonderful idea. and then having a great concert on the mall. >> we'll be watching for you. >> what is it -- >> they're looking at a bunch of different issues. everybody is talking about women. if you invest in women, if you can get women educated it's so basic. if you educate women, you know that they don't have so many children that they cannot feed you know that the entire family raises up in terms of education level and income level. so just educating women. if you feed people, same issue. so sort of basic. you just have to end extreme poverty in these countries. >> so if you go to this concert, you'll get usher fall out boy, train. i like it.

>> and 74 degrees and sunny. so in d.c. that's not bad. >> thank you so much. and you can catch the documentary kids behind bar this is saturday at 10:00 p.m. on al jazeera america. coming up, a new star in television wants to change the way you dream. neal degrasse grasgrass tyson is next. is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do.

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the new star wars movie, comes out at christmastime. joining us now, late night talk show host neil degrasse tyson. great to see you. first of all as an astro physicist, everything in star wars is potentially real and possible, correct? >> it's a documentary. >> thank you. >> it's a documentary in a fantasy world. >> thank you very much. so let's talk about your jump to late night. you were telling me you're here to take down fallon and colbert. >> i so did not say that. >> he didn't say that. i said that. but what a cool idea. tell us about the show. >> it started as a podcast, and weekly. and in fact it will still continue on sirius xm and deposited as a podcast. but we jumped species to television and national geographic took interest. and i didn't though where they would put us but they put us at

11:00 p.m. on a monday night. still one night a week. so when the news first broke people were like tyson taking on late night. no no, just one night a week. no monologue. i don't have a band. >> got to have a band. >> sorry. >> just you. >> so i have guests. the goal is to blend science, comedy and pop culture. because we all are accustomed to receiving pop culture during late night talk shows. that's a major aspect of that. and i've always been a fan of comedy but i'm also a scientist. so you blend these three and that is the recipe for star talk. >> let's give a taste of what the show is. >> he described the show and it was thrilling. the vision that he had. star ship enterprise a metaphor for star ship earth and the

string of the star ship lay in its diversity. >> nobody was thinking that. >> minorities weren't -- >> in anything. >> no. >> so george takei is star trek just to clear it up not star wars. >> i'm the only one at the table who is not into star wars. >> or star anything. >> i'm not into the fantasy thing on the movies. no. i don't get it. i want reality. >> it's no fantasy. it happened. >> to what do you attribute this what feels like a lot of us this new found enthusiasm for the things you talk about or is it new? >> it is new. and you might remember cosmos aired in prime time on a sunday night when everyone is home. and we didn't twist arms. there are executives judging that is the right thing to do at the right tile.

you look at the hit shows, big bang theory they're communicating actual scientific link lingo and are not apologetic. so that tells me that there is some appetite that lurks within us all. most everyone. sorry. >> i'm intrigued. here's what i think it is. i think it's you. >> no because i -- >> you bring it. >> i'm a piece of it but it has to be bigger than me to have the reach that 1is going on right now. my twitter stream, i'm just an astro physicist depositing random thoughts but people seem to gravitate to it. i have like 3.5 million followers. there has to be more than just the geeks out there grabbing on to what this is. and so star talk is a

manifestation of this -- the geek that sits within us all. >> and you talk about -- >> and you. >> thank you. >> and that our sun will die and it will take earth with us. so we need to make sure we have other destinations in mind when that happens. and i've got it on my calendar. >> yeah, 5 billion years. october 12th. >> so this will be a full departure, 5 billion years. we are so self consumed and we look at our lives, we look at our communities, we look at our word, but again, you come from a perspective that earth is just another planet. we are a speck. >> and i think it rebalances your ego to learn how small we are in time and space. and how fragile we are this anin an

ecoke system, we're one astroid strike away from living in caves again. so this cosmic perspective, not enough people have it, not enough people in charge have it. because it can transform the world. all of my colleagues think about the world in just will ways. so one of the goals of star talk is to get people to become familiar with science. science is not some class that you took and either did or didn't do well in that you just step around because you want to do something else. science manifests everywhere. and that's why the guest list are generally not scientists. they're people there pop culture. >> the moral fabric of our life when you realize how small we are in the grand scheme of things. >> that's correct. and how big can your ego possibly be in the face of that information. it's a humbling force. >> i can't believe he's saying that he's going to make us forget letterman, carson --

>> no. but i have to -- just real quick, i know you're short on time, but one of our guests is president jimmy carter. and i did not ask him about the middle east. that's what anyone else would ask him about. we talked about his engineering background. he taught navy midshipmen as tron any and navigation. so that's the kind of conversation that comes out. >> i like it. all right. the series premiere of star talk is monday on april 20th at 11:00 eastern on the national geographic channel. neal teeil degrasse tyson, so nice to meet you. coming up tobacco use is on the rise among young americans even though the use of traditional cigarettes declined. the reason behind that troubling trend when we come back.

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this's a new warning when it comes to teenagers and the growing trend of e-cigarette. >> according to the centers for disease control, the number of high school students vaping has reportedly tripled in just one year, raising new questions about whether e-cigarettes should be regulated away from minors. nbc news correspondent tom costello reports. >> reporter: the splashy marketing is designed to lure a younger generation away from traditional cigarettes but the warning from the cdc is that

e-cigarettess contain potentially dangerous chemicals and nicotine that carry their own health risks. >> we don't want to be playing a game of tobacco and nicotine whack a mole where we're addressing one product and allowing others to skyrocket. >> reporter: traditional cigarette use as dropped to a record low, 9% among teens, while e-cigarette use has tripled to more than 13% of all teens, 2.5 million people. another 1.5 million smoked hook a pipes. >> i enjoy it. i think the smell is a lot better. >> reporter: ian king used to smoke a pack a day. now he carries bottles of e-cigarette flavors with him so this is better? >> yeah it's not hike with cigarettes where you get tar in your lungs because it's a vape. >> reporter: the fda hasn't decided whether to regulate e-cigarette sales to minor bus researchers worry the biggest concern is nicotine.

>> we don't know the impact of nicotine on a developing brain yet. >> reporter: the cdc is concerned the nicotine could lure kids into regular tobacco use. but the e-cigarette industry tells nbc news "the cdc's attack defies logic. e-cigarettes don't have tar or chemicals that are in tobacco." >> i have to agree with that because you look at the arguments, two arguments, one -- well first of all they're leaving traditional cigarettes because of these e-cigarettes and you don't have the tar, you don't the nicotine. you don't have the tar and the stuff that damages your lungs so right now they're worrying they don't know what the vapor, what impact it has on the brain. >> right. >> they don't know. >> i always knew there's been something, though. >> but they do know if they're smoking regular cigarettes that kills you. >> exactly. so if the choice is between getting tar and all those chemicals and the nicotine from regular cigarettes or just getting the nicotine from the

vapor cigarettes, it would seem like a no brainer. it would seem like it was obviously the -- the number two was obviously better not perfect, but better. >> i've said it a lot. we have known guys that have smoked cigarettes their entire life and they started smoking these things and they've just stopped smoking -- i mean, this is a real threat to the tobacco industry. >> you'd prefer to have them smoking neither but if it helps wean you off regular cigarettes. >> but it looks like it might be a gateway in. >> but it's the gateway out. that's what doesn't make sense. they're saying well they better not do e-cigarettes because it might take them to regular cigarettes but they're smoking e-cigarettes because they don't want to smoke regular cigarettes. >> there's always something. >> if they're going to take the bad gateway anyhow. >> okay no gateway. up next jeb bush follows chris christie to new hampshire where he tries to make his case to voters. how did he do mixing politics with pie? plus, hillary clinton created

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time. >> no. >> well, new hampshire, up down up down. and with hillary, a lot of reports on hillary being a little rigid right now. chris christie the reviews are still coming in. very interesting follow-up yesterday on that newspaper deal where i said the "new york times" head hooin. >> yes, the headline saying that bridge gate dogs chris christie. >> there was a follow-up. i got a call two from some people at the "times." >> they were mad at you? >> no. >> the writer -- and this just shows. >> they were upset at you for what you said on the air. >> the writer was not -- reportedly, i didn't talk to the writer -- the reporter recordedly was not pleased with the headline. so what we were saying yesterday -- >> might be true. >> didn't reflect. so many times journalists go out there -- and howard, you know this -- they'll report, do a fair article on you because they know they have to work with you the next day but it's for a

newspaper that doesn't hike you and so they'll slap on a bad headline, a horrible picture and they've completely colored the -- >> i've always wondered about the picture. the headline i forgive. you get mad because it's not accurate but with the exception of the "new york post" which specializes, i've always thought the "new york post" headline writer was the most undercompensated guy in new york. but the picture -- pictures of george w. bush that the "new york times" ran for eight years were the most unflattering pictures i've ever seen. >> a picture says a thousand words. >> i will tell you, the photo editor and i've found it time and time again, the photo editor has the most power at magazines, newspapers because you know what? if they want to select a good photo, they do. and i know which publications when they printed stories when i was in politics and when they print stories now i know which ones will find the worst photos and which will find the most mattering. >> with the headline, it's not

that it was inaccurate and with the "new york times" it's not that it's inaccurate it's that it only does one one sliver. the headline could have equally and perhaps even more appropriately been "christie draws huge crowds in new hampshire." or "christie gets personal in new hampshire." which is just as big. >> i think listening to howard the bigger take really is that when you're reading the newspaper you have to understand what you're doing and if there's a newspaper that has an agenda against howard dean or an agenda against chris christie or whomever, they may not get you with the story but they will get you with the headline and they will get you with the picture. it happened to me a thousand times, especially a local newspaper that hated me. >> i'm not sure it's all conspiracy. >> no, but it's part -- >> but the pictures amaze me. >> the pictures are always a jab. >> i was going to say, it comes in the context of "new york times" leading the bridge gate and hammering it everyday. >> something to think about. >> not inaccurate but could have

been -- >> but the bridgegate story is a problem because there's an ongoing investigation. >> we're not saying it's not. we're just saying though, if you read the entire story and saw what happened there, this was maybe one or two sentences out of it and you had a headline writer that said "let's rip it up." >> now that we've had the "new york times" editorial meeting for them. [ laughter ] >> can we? really? >> you said it was chris christie yesterday. it is jeb bush's turn today in new hampshire. bush is taking his message to voteers with a stop at politics and nikon cord. the event lived up to its name with the presumed presidential contender breaking his paleodiet. >> what is paleo? >> this is a special night for the governor. this is treat night. >> it's been a long hard winter in a lot of ways.

hell with the diet. >> always fun to eat cake and whatever it is in front of people watching you and cameras clicking, poor buy the. the former governor also referenced food while taking a shot at the democratic front-runner. when asked if he eats at chipotle, here you, go amy, i'll catch you up. bush said he did but suggested it's a much more ordinary experience than that of hillary clinton's. >> yeah, i go there. the one on u.s. 1. drive my own car, get out of my own car, park my own car. buy chipotle take it home. but we normally cook our own mexican food at home. it's pretty good. >> bush also used a little humor when asked why only two political families should hold the presidency for so many years. >> first of all, i have enough self-awareness to know that is an oddity. secondly, i have to prove that i'm not running for president if i go beyond the consideration of

this to be in an active candidate trying to break the tie between the addams family and the bush family. [ laughter ] that really isn't my motivation. but i have to prove that. >> i just want to ask howard. howard, interpret the i likable there. pretty relaxed. >> yeah, although the interesting thing that struck me as i saw this you know despite texas and florida, this is a northeastern family. i mean his father -- he moved to the right when he became reagan's vice president but george bush was a quintessential patrician republican. the kind my parents liked. >> right. >> and jeb still has a lot of those mannerisms. it will be a fascinating campaign because the republicans always try to do the really conservative thing and they always end up nominating the more moderate mainstream person which would be jeb bush. and they're going to try it again and i think jeb bush probably wins but this year there's a lot of anger in the republican party and a lot of

redefining of who they are and when that happens, it's going to be a big deal. >> amy? >> my only reaction to chipotlegate apparently like the fast food wars begin, is wearing sunglasses inside. i thought that was odd for hillary to be doing that. but it's april. >> oh no she was going -- i thought she was being -- >> so you're still hung up? you were out of the country when hillary -- you still want to talk about this story. [ laughter ] i wear sunglasses all the time. >> do you? in fast food restaurants? >> in night, at bed. >> that's security video. i think they wanted to be under the radar and i will explain why in the story we have about hillary coming up. so actually it's a good question. joining us now from manchester, new hampshire -- >> i was expecting great insight on jeb bush and the republican primary. i've got to go back to chipotle. >> casey hunt caught up with bush and asked him about the key issues and candidates he's

likely to face. casey? >> reporter: governor romney mika. this new hampshire primary is stunningly wide open. i think it was bill kristol yesterday talking on the show about how jeb bush hasn't managed to clear on the field. and that was on display at this event he held yesterday with politics and pie. he was challenged over and over and over again by streeters, you showed him talking about his family. he was also challenged aggressively on immigration and also on common core those two things have come up every time i've covered him here in new hampshire. but you know i also was thinking about the fact that income inequality and how we deal with that increasing gap is clearly going to be a central theme of this race. you heard in the marco rubio's announcement speech and obviously we saw some private companies are starting to raise the minimum wage, the credit card company that offered all of its employees $70,000 a year as part of an effort to give everyone a living wage. i asked jeb bush whether or not

he thought that that was positive and if he wasn't for raising the minimum wage what ideas he had about trying to close that gap. you had somebody from a private company come out and say he would raise his employees minimum wage to $70,000. i no you said you're against it, what's the solution? >> i'm not against the minimum wage i'm against raising it because it will create a reduction in jobs. so i saw the video. i went on youtube, cool kid that made this statement and i think it's wonderful that people voluntarily do that. that was an incredible gesture. it will help him retain employees and i assume he's in the san francisco area there where there's big shortage and that gesture will help his business. but a lot of businesses will have to lay people off if you raise the federal minimum wage. if states want to do it fine. but there ought to be -- there are better ways. expanding the earned income tax credit is one simple way of doing it. making sure that people have skills to be able to get a job

that's way above the minimum wage is another. growing the economy faster so that people can rise up and aren't stuck in low-paying jobs. there's a lot of ways to do this. this is all focus group poll driven -- this is not economic policy. >> so you heard him there say it's okay with him if states raise the minimum wage. i would point out there is one candidate in the republican race who is in favor of slowly raising the federal minimum wage and that's rick santorum. guys? >> okay. so on the minimum wage am i wrong that there are some companies, major, major companies that could raise the minimum wage and not lose jobs? the answer is yes. >> well, there's some that have raised it. you look at walmart. >> yes, i know and i don't think they're firing people. >> mika they made the decision and it's working out well for them. it's just hike this worker that -- employer that raised it to $70,000 minimum for

everybody. as jeb bush said, that's great for retention but that's the company making the decision based on the economic reality in front of it and not the federal government making that decision for them. >> i think jeb bush made a point as if the guy was some cute little endeavor on the side. it's a responsibility at this point, howard dean, if people can't -- >> jeb actually said mika, that this would help him retain employee because he was in an area in a geographic region where it's hard to retain employees and there's a shortage of employees so it made economic sense for him. >> but that's not why he did it. >> i also heard jeb bush trying to thread the needle. being both -- he's saying i'm for the minimum wage i'm not for raising the minimum wage. which is a big challenge for the republican party. can he appeal to conservatives without alienating the middle-class. >> this is a fascinating argument. the reason is that in fact raising the minimum wage in theory could limit jobs but it never does because the minimum

wage is always substantially below where it should be. so the interesting thing about this is you're now running into conservative theory. this is not a debate about fact this is a debate about theoretical constructs in the conservative -- and that's where the debate is. i find it amazing to me that the republicans are going to be serious about not raising the minimum wage. that's a total loser, including for a lot of their own people who are socially conservative. >> it may be a loser politically but economically there is a debate on whether jobs are lost whether you're actually just redistributing income from one group of struggling americans to another group of struggling americans. >> and actually blocking out low-wage workers from those jobs. >> that's the debate. but what i'm saying is there's a debate but it's a theoretical debate but it never happens. >> ask african-american males with a high school education about competing with people when you raise the minimum wage. >> but if you look at the pure numbers, $7.25 an hour that's

$15,000 a year that's not a living wage. >> it's not. there are companies that can do this and won't. >> i want to go back to kasie. she talked to jeb bush and i understand you asked him about marco rubio. a lot has been made about rubio jumping into the race given his close relationship with jeb bush. what did jeb tell you? >> well, they're both close friends. i talked to rubio in the week and he said it's not a big deal when i talk to jeb bush we text we've known each other for years. i asked jeb bush about in the new hampshire yesterday. should marco rubio have waited his attorney? >> i love marco, he's a great guy. [ laughter ] >> that's it? >> not a hotlot to say there. >> i didn't feel the love. did you feel the love. >> in the south it's "bless your heart" which really means, "you're dead." >> i think this was a south florida of bless your heart. oh, my god that was funny. >> you know what he did say, though?

in an interview he said "he's a great guy and you will not hear me criticize marco rubio in this campaign". >> oh, less your heart. >> that's a funny response. >> i have to get to this other story: i have a sneaking suspicion, if rubio ever gets anywhere close to jeb bush in the polls i cannot imagine that promise being kept. >> his heart will be blessed. [ laughter ] thank you so much. >> thank you kasie. >> you had this question. hillary clinton, the campaign announced she's going to travel to new hampshire monday and tuesday of next week saying "it will be the first of many conversations with granite staters about how to make the economy work for everyday americans." >> everyday americans. she's all about getting in touch with everyday americans, real americans. >> but she brings with her new questions about her campaigns authenticity. the "daily mail" reports her campaign staff recruited some of those everyday americans she met with in iowa. >> are you telling me there's

gambling in las vegas? >> this report says one was a former obama campaign intern who was vetted for a half hour then driven by a clinton campaign staffer to sit in the iowa coffee shop. >> it's "the matrix." >> the rest we'll get to later. >> willie geist? >> this is the thing i want to see. i want to see her go to a town hall. >> she just can't. she just doesn't have it in her. >> she does have it in her. >> well it is the "daily mail." why would you believe this? : it's true. if it was the "new york post," would you believe that? >> i love the "daily mail." it's fantastic. >> it's entertaining. >> they had pictures of the guy. >> they had pictures of the guy. >> so you're suggesting right now -- let's stop. so you're slandering the "daily mail" here and you're suggesting -- >> it's impossible to slander the "daily mail." >> you're just deflecting.

you are james carville. >> do think it's possible the right wing press makes stuff up? i do. they do it everyday. >> do you think they made it up in this instance. >> look hillary's problem is authenticity. >> which is exactly why stories like that -- >> that's exactly right. >> she stages the into event? >> if that in fact happened. >> she wears sun glasses in a chipotle for goodness sakes. >> campaign staff drove ordinary iowans hillary's first campaign stop including health care lobbyist and training who was an obama campaign intern and biden chauffeur. that guy. so maybe they're lying. >> i don't know if they're lying or not but they're not incapable of making things up. >> who, the clintons or the "daily mail"? >> the right wing press. >> as joe just said what i often say to joe, you're deflecting. here's the deal, the past couple of days and i wish you wouldn't make me say this because i would love to see her break out and do well it would be so exciting to me. but what i've seen over the past few days are very set up

conversations with very flat voiced messaging made up because they can't have her in a crowd with people coming at her and really asking her questions. they are wrong. she is accomplished she is articulate and she can handle herself. let her go. look at what chris christie did in new hampshire. he's got everything dogging him. he has his entire credibility on the line and, quite frankly, probably won't make it because of bridgegate. he goes to new hampshire, stands in front of 300 people and let them tear him apart and he does just fine. you think hillary clinton who was elected in the senate twice, served as first lady served as secretary of state, cannot handle a crowd in new hampshire? >> kmeemika, you are hitting it on the nose. if you campaign as an awe then take candidate, you have to be an authentic candidate. >> it's not authentic what we saw this week. >> it doesn't just take the "daily mail" to report these facts. >> willie we had yesterday

pulitzer prize winning author john meacham identify the iowa work space where she was working. the set for dunder mifflin because it's so staged. >> there's nothing new about that but if the hillary campaign wants it to be a different hillary it has to be more than a marketing strategy and cut her loose. don't you think she should be throughout -- >> she should be like you, howard. >> do i get a word in edge wise? >> as long as you don't deflect. >> i'll defend. >> he's going all ross perot, "can i talk?" >> i can't say i'm all ears. >> go h. ross. >> so here's my deal on this. first of all, i think that what hillary clinton wants right now out there is her message and she does not -- hillary clinton does not need to do what chris christie's doing. >> don't say you are. don't say you're listening to

real people if they're set up. >> i think she is listening to real people. i thought her message was great and i think you guys are fine if you want to say all this but i'm not obsessed with hillary and her delivery. >> what's her message? she said "i'm not going to give you my message until i talk to the real lobbyists." [ laughter ] sorry about that. i mean the real people. >> i thought her message was great actually. >> which is what? >> which is what are we going to do about ordinary people trying to make a living where the deck is stacked against them? she talked about campaign finance reform which people normally don't talk about because it makes their eyes glaze over. she talked about income inequality, not using those words which is a good choice. and she wanted to get her message out there unencumbered by the things you all love because you're in the media. i think she's trying to bypass the media which is driving you crazy which is smarts. >> believe me if i was in that cadre of reporters -- >> we're everyday americans. >> you're everyday americans,

right. >> you're deflecting again trying to make it about us rather than the fact -- >> no i think you guys are making it about us. >> i'm just frustrated because i think he could do great. >> i think she is doing great. >> okay that's where we disagree. i think she'll still win. how about that? we'll agree on that. still ahead on "morning joe," two of tv's familiar faces are taking the act to broadway. david hide pierce and tyne daly are here. is "darth vader" still alive? >> it's coming christmas. i call mid-three boys yesterday. we're very excited about this. so is kate. [ as yoda ] excited are they strong in the force, they are. >> oh you did it again. >> you're watching "morning joe."

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let's look at the morning papers. minnesota viking adrian peterson has been reinstated by the nfl. peterson was suspended in november for violating the league's personal conduct policy after an incident in which he disciplined his four-year-old son with a switch while he's eligible to participate in team activity, it's not cheer whether peterson will rejoin the vikings. peterson's agent says he wants to play for a different team but the vikings don't appear as if they'll trade the runningback. peterson must continue to follow a treatment and counseling program. this is from our nbc station khqa. dramatic rescue in lewiston iowa, a motorist is pulled to safety after his suv dangled over a 30-foot vertical cliff on wednesday. he's been identified as 29-year-old jay so warknock.

he told the station he saw debris in the roadway while driving and that's when he noticed an suv hanging from above just a chain link fenced stopped the car from falling. >> then i seen him beating on the door. >> reporter: a 23-year-old was stuck inside. >> i go get him out of there before that fence gives. >> reporter: warknock took off running. >> i ran across the walkway, ran along the fence line. right here is where he was hanging and i was thinking god, don't let me have a heart attack before i get to him. >> reporter: he reached the suv and got the passenger window open. >> he gave me his hand. >> incredible. nice work jason. that first picture we showed showed the cliff. >> this happens again and again, the courage of people like that that -- he knew he was going to put himself in danger when he grabbed that guy and that happens everyday in this country. it's incredible. >> saved his life. incredible. "usa today" and wherever in

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and chewie. >> i loved your pronunciation of tattooine. that was -- >> you're like a trek -- >> no, that's "star trek," different, dear. >> what is this? >> that was "star wars." >> seriously, mika? >> what's the difference? >> um -- >> just please -- >> you're embarrassing yourself. >> put down the sharp objects that are cutting up your reputation right now. >> wait a minute, "star trek," "star wars," seriously. >> luke skywalker, captain kirk. coming up, what's driving the day on wall street? >> sarah eisen has business before the bell. plus, the store riff o an unbreakable bond between a dad and son and the father's nine-year fight to free his son after a questionable murder conviction. dylan ratigan joins us to talk about his new documentary. >> plus megan murphy will be will joining the conversation as well. with hyaluronic acid it plumps skin cells with intense hydration and locks it in. for supple, hydrated skin. hydro boost.

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we need to fix our dysfunctional political system and get unaccountable money out of it once and for all, fetch that takes a constitutional amendment. >> you know, i saw -- read somewhere need secretary clinton said she intends to raise $2.5 billion for her campaign but she wants to then get the corrupting money out of politics. [ laughter ] it's classic, right? it's classic politician speak.

>> welcome back to "morning joe." >> guess what? guess what time it is? time for a party. >> well time for a money party. >> you know what kind of party? >> a money party. >> we need a song. >> we'll get a song. >> joining us now dylan ratigan. he has a new film "dream killer" but you know the money party. >> the money party is on. >> also with us, the washington bureau chief for the "financial times," megan murphy which is just back from iowa. >> megan ran. >> i think i've got it. >> i'm in the gray pant zbhs you're the one in the gray pants. monday with hair sort of flapping. >> nice stride. >> i'm coming at the end, i'm slow i'm old -- >> there you are. >> there i am there i am. >> look at that! >> if you go slow-mo -- >> the hair is kind of flowing. >> very dramatic thing going. >> i need a hair cut. >> megan let me ask you this,

was it one of the more humiliating experiences in your life or are you proud of what you did? >> i'm proud of what i did. >> good for you. own it. know your value. >> when you have a campaign hike that and they won't let us ask her any questions in any settings, what are we supposed to do as journalists. >> you've got to ask your questions, awesome. >> i shouted a question. no one acknowledged me. i think it's a really big problem for the campaign about how they're going to manage this going forward. we are going to have this situation constantly. i think what you don't see in that clip which is one of the most surprising things is there were actually a ton of people waiting for her at the front of that college. elderly people in wheelchairs, people -- and they just cruised right on by to the back. >> so -- those were the people she would want to meet with right? >> you would think so. those were the everyday americans. those were the everyday iowans and guess what? they were lined up in front of that community college. >> and what happened? >> she drove right past them. >> drive right past. >> because they want the everyday americans that they had talked to for 30 minutes about

how to act like an everyday american. >> the saudi oil minister used to go jogging every morning and the only way you could get news out of him is if you ran with him. so maybe she's been hanging out with the saudis and it's like listen, if you want to control press flow, go to the run and only talk to reporters that will jog with you. >> what happened to this whole -- it's not a theory it's a reality, that they've gone out of their way to instill a media-friendly operation this time out? >> look i'm clearly not in the inner sanctum of reporters that they're trying to have a more cuddly spriermt with but the issue is this. i don't think you can rebrand someone right now at this point who's one of the most famous political figures in the history of her generation of any time. she needs to go out there and make her message to the american people. she needs to tell us why she wants to be president, what her economic agenda will be, what her foreign policy agenda will be. this is crazy us reporting on her going to chipotle or having a chai.

do americans care about that? not at all. >> other than the shallow ones like me i don't think many do. >> is it me or is the totality -- not just hillary clinton but the totality of presidential candidates one of the most uninspiring groups of human beings that have ever attempted to step themselves forth to take the good will of the american people in any way, shape, or form? >> i think you might find it inspiring but at least the batch of republicans is an interesting mix and it's an interesting sort of group of forces coming together with different opinions that are really going to have a good solid fight as opposed to some kind of 999 plan or whatever which you knew was never going to fly. >> maybe, but at the end of the day i don't see how this group of republican candidates is going to ultimately be working for anybody other than the same 200 people that will finance hillary's campaign. in other words both the republican candidate, whoever it ends up being, and hillary clinton, which is who it's going to end up being, are going to be

financed by the same 200 people and basically leading the same basic agenda for the same special interests that they have been running for decades. at the end of the day we're going to end up with a bush and clinton working for the same 200 people. >> megan? >> look money in politics over the past five years has changed radically in terms of how campaigns are financed how special interest cans make their views known. i do think this time we are going to have a really different agenda from the republicans and democrats on things like immigration, on things like same-sex marriage, on things like how do we broaden this economic -- >> but are immigration and same-sex marriage more significant issues than the releveraging of the entire financial? the monopoly in the health care system? the dysfunction in the educational system? >> i have to go back. hold on one second. i love you so much. >> just hear relaxing. >> i'm going to hug you -- remember the hug before where i lifted you off the ground? >> i think it was like a piggyback ride. >> okay very good that too.

so megan we have crack staff here who are actually on crack and they went all the way back on your tweets and on this tweet you've said "the last time i sprinted like that as a reporter was during the mccartney/mills divorce trial in 2008." tell us about that. did you get to meet sir paul? i would run a marathon if i could meet paul. >> i tracked her down in a bathroom, heather mills. >> classic. >> and do you remember where she threw the glass of water in the lawyer's face and like she came out with wet hair? >> she was all class. >> that was a high point. that was actually -- you felt like -- the reason i had to track her down this is a funny story, she said she won 21 million pounds. i said i'm the fnl times, i have to have the number right so i ran after her and i said "heather, you 12ed 1 million, was it 20 million or 21 million." she said "you're from the "times," i hate you, you're

always so mean to me i said no i'm the financial times. the pink one. and she said "oh, i don't read that." [ laughter ] >> well then it was wto the run. >> it was worth the run. >> you can hear more about that and megan's upcoming book. "bathroom talk with heather mills." [ laughter ] >> it's time for cnbc's sarah eisen. sarah, what are investors watching today? >> looks like we're bracing for a bit of a selloff when it comes to stocks just taking their cue from europe which is down hard. still concerns about greece going bankrupt. you also had a trading glitch overnight with the bloomberg machines. the bloomberg terminals which is used by pretty much everyone in the trading community for information and for trading went down, we are told it's back up but that could be impacting trade a little bit. we're watching two dow members that i want to mention, g.e. out with earnings and the big focus here is this company going

through one of the biggest evolutions and transformations in its 123-year-old history, becoming more industrial focused, getting rid of its banking business g.e. capital. so that's the big focus of the g.e. earnings today. then disney. i know joe, you're a fan of the "star wars" trailer. guess what? in 17 hours, 18 million views on youtube and you guys are going to love this. that's nine times what hillary's 2016 did on youtube and that's giving disney stock a boost, it should open near record high. >> wow. no question i'm in the minority. sara eisen, thank you so much. still ahead, the positives and negatives of the american legal system told this one father's fight to overturn his son's questionable murder conviction. dylan talks to us about his powerful new documentary when we come back. ♪ ♪ the beautiful sound of customers

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>> we went to the northern part of australia where ryan was born. i made up my mind that i was going to spend a lot of time with him so we just developed this bond as time went on. >> that was the [ bleep ]. that was the [ bleep ]. let's go back and do it again. >> tell us your name please. >> bill ferguson. >> and what's your relationship to ryan? >> he's my son and i'm totally convinced that he is innocent. that was a look at dylan ratigan's new film "dream killer." dylan, this looks powerful. what's the story here? >> in a nutshell an american teenager you saw there, unsolved murder for a couple of years. a friend of his had a dream he had committed the murder in his dream, he dreamt ryan was with him when they did it. it was a small town they were desperate for a conviction as is the nature of the beast, human beings prefer certainty

over uncertainty even if they're certain about the wrong thing and chip rosen bloom was the one who originate it had project in los angeles. he came to me and said "i want to do a documentary about ryan ferguson and his family." and he asked me who i thought was the best person to direct the movie and i suggested andrew jenks to him kbhowho i think that folks will be impressed at the evolution -- i don't know if people are familiar with him but he had a reality show on mtv. this is a real evolution for andrew as well. and the story is a profound insight into how the criminal justice system's desire to have somebody to convict can on occasion and with great, great, great -- >> what's the status right now? >> he got out of jail last year and i think he arrives at andrew's apartment later today

and the movie appears in tribeca on sunday. >> and what was the evidence that got him freed. >> well it was -- really it was there's a rack of it. but there's an attorney kathleen zellner who took up the case with andrew's -- with ryan's father bill and so the combination of bill and kathleen and their collaboration over the past decade we were able to do it. it would be inappropriate -- i want you to see the -- it's worth seeing the movie. >> but at the end of the day, he's thrown in jail because a guy that knows him has a dream. >> thus the it too. >> tribeca film festival? >> plays in tribeca all week, premiers on zblund this month at the tribeca film festival you can go to tribecafilm.com to see this powerful piece. dylan, thank you so much. megan murphy don't do it next time. >> i'll still be doing it. the second i stop running after her is the second i have to

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all right, it's 50 past the hour. we're on the air, tyne but that's okay. you do whatever you want to do. >> i never make an adjustment. i just sort of -- >> that's a good thing. >> just be you. and i want to call you niles so badly. >> it's okay you can do it. >> do you get sick of it? >> no no. >> he's lying to you now. >> jenna, don't watch the words, listen to tone. >> we have other shows to talk about now. joining us emmy award winning actress david hyde pierce and tyne daly david is the director of the new musical "it should have been you" in which tyne stars as the mother of the bride. take a look. held, low monty. >> what'd i do? >> my daughter breaks your heart and you don't have the decency to call me? [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> i'm sorry? >> it should have been you.

♪ it would have been you if she'd only had the ♪ common sense to take my word that you were it ♪ i told her he's always been around you might ♪ as well make him legit, once you find a ♪ decent fit you keep him, it should have been you ♪ instead of this john -- >> brian. >> ♪ he's got a tattoo. do you have a tattoo ♪ no ♪ it should have been you. >> i don't know, to think that you should want me in your family. ♪ it's not too late believe me they say ♪ every bride has doubt, exploit that ♪ if that doesn't work knock her out, you have to save the day ♪ even just to know you tried will make me feel less suicidal. >> how about "even just to know

you tried will make me feel less suicidal." great line. >> and josh grosetti making his broadway debut. >> josh told me a friend of his came that have knew him for all of his career and when chip and i were singing to him she burst into tears. it was so much fun. >> david, you direct in this? >> apparently yes. >> and apparently there's sort of a family affair here too. tell us about it. >> oh yeah. well -- >> oh yeah. >> i think i know what you're referring to. i've got so many families. we have people from "fraser" on the show. harriet harris and edward hibbert. but also my family my husband brian haar fwroefrgrove wrote the book and lyrics. >> and we've worked together a number of times. >> is he still your husband? >> it's all over. we get divorced tomorrow. but at least we have a show. >> do you go to him and say "this line --" >> he has tyne do his bidding.

>> no if you can't be honest with your spouse, who can you be honest with. it's worked out. has it been ugly in the trenches? >> no, you've been incredibly discreet and i haven't -- i've worked with my ex-husband before he was my ex. we used to not talk about it on the way to work. when you get to the studio you're allowed to discuss it. >> we haven't figured that out. so it's 24 hours. >> what was the hardest thing you had to tell him? anything? anything comes to mind? >> oh it's always -- here's the thing. brian has a long history in writing for television so he really understands throwing out jokes, saying yup, that doesn't work, that has to go. that line we love so much it has to go. these guys went through so many changes because when you're getting a broadway show ready we work with mike nichols years ago and he said "anything that's funny goes because all we want is really funny.

requests so that was our process. >> it's sort of a new art for you, directing. >> i come to it from the standpoint of being an actor. >> yay. >> yay! >> and i kind of love it. you know what's a great gift is to be able to sit out in the house and watch this thing you had a hand in but you're not doing. it's all these amazing people and to sit amongst an audience who are as some people have said laughing as hard as they have laughed in 30 years of going to broadway. at the end of the show i stand there and watch the audience watch them applauding. it's so gratifying. >> fun, that's wonderful. >> tyne, you said you spent many years suffering for your art. this year you're happy, you like this, thank god. >> it's a joyful job. it really is. my love my colleagues. we have a true ensemble so that -- which means that everybody gets their turn. everybody is key to telling the story. so -- and some people have to wait a little longer than others but everybody gets their shot at

impressing the audience and telling their part of the story. and we have this one and i say yay but actors who direct they know the language. so i believe all directors should be required to be professional actors for at least two years. >> i agree, yes. >> to know what the work is like so he knows that better than most and can translate to us in a handy way. >> you and kelsey have collided on broadway at the same time. that's neat. >> it's great. we were rehearsing at the same time in the same rehearsal building for -- 42nd street. >> plus he and i share a birthday. we have exactly the same birthday, me and kelsey, so the simpatico -- >> it's a lot of synergy. david hide pierce and tyne daly what an honor to have you both on. >> guys, thank you. >> thank you for getting up so early. >> we did it just for you. we weren't going to do it today

du -- >> "it shoulda been you" is playing on broadway at the brooks atkinson theater. up next, what did we learn today?

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trek? >> "star wars." >> i am so confused. >> watch them boept. >> i'll do that. what did you learn, mika? >> that i am watching "star wars" this weekend. what did you learn? >> i learned "the rundown" is coming up next. look at the bottom and we'll show everybody who did such a great job at the show? not enough time today. we have great people working on this show. >> we love you, guys. >> thanks so much for your patience this week. we'll see you on monday. if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around, "the rundown" straight ahead. and good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart. developing right now on "the rundown," an exclusive interview with robert bates, the reserve deputy in tulsa, oklahoma accused of shooting and killing a man when he says he mistook his handgun for a taser. this is the first time bates has spoken publicly since being hit with manslaughter charges. he's apologizing for the death of eric harris and i