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>> i knew you're right there. over a year, this has been building and building and building and building. sometimes this is the only way people listen. >> this is the end of the line, level six, so he's not going to leave this prison. all the bad apples are here.
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>> put a cat, put it in the corner, throw a pit bull in there, he's going to react, come out of the corner, you know? the penitentiary of new mexico houses both low level and maximum security inmates. the most dangerous and notorious are held in level six. >> you want to make me look like a monster. i have been here over two and a half years. i didn't do nothing.
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i never disrespected anybody. just because i'm small and able to slip the handcuffs any time i want, i'm a problem. i got locked up when i was about 10 1/2. i got grand left auto. i have been to probably over 30 prisons. probably around 20 in florida. six or seven in oklahoma. three here. i don't get in trouble. i don't disrespect anybody. cops come to my door. i'm always, yes, sir, no, sir, yes, ma'am, no, mack. i don't disrespect anybody. i made mistakes and did stupid stuff when i was young. i hurt somebody to where they went to the hospital and ended up dying later on, but i have never been charged with murder. a lot of people like the first thing they think about me is they think about something like
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macgyver or something. i stabbed somebody with jolly ranchers. i took a bunch of jolly ranchers off the tnt, melted it down into a cone, let it get hard like a rock, and it's -- it's like a piece -- actually stronger than glass. i could slip this cuff right now and stab that cop. but why? what's he ever did to me? nothing. i just -- i believe in karma. you do good, good things happen. you do bad, bad things come at you. i've been in here so long that if i was to get to the street, i wouldn't even know how to act. >> how much time do you think you're going to spend? >> i'll never get out. i'll never get out of prison. i'll be here for the rest of my life. they think that i'm going to slip up. they think i'm going to slip up and hurt somebody. i go crazy every day. you know, just being here.
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do i think i'm going to hurt somebody? i mean, that's pretty likely. a fact, eventually it's going to end up happening. this is prison. this isn't kindergarten. you know? i mean, not everybody gets long. . >> today, chris has a hearing that could affect his custody level and security status. >> you know why you're here? >> yes, ma'am. >> initially, you were placed in level six for posing a threat for to security of the facility. you were in an altercation with another inmate, and two homemade weapons were found in your cell. you have an extensive history of violent behavior and asults while incarcerated in oklahoma department of corrections. however, here, you're an ideal
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inmate. based on your file, you can go back to general population in new mexico. we're going to do the recommendation to release you to level five. however, cbc is going to make the ultimate decision. do you have any other questions for us at this time? >> no. >> you want to go to level five? >> level two or level three. >> you want to go to gp. according to your file, you can. okay. thank you. have a good day. god bless you. >> certainly he deserves to be moved because he has had clear conduct since he's been here. he hasn't done anything. he doesn't hurt anyone, and he's so small that he tends to slip his handcuffs and he's shown us that. >> according to his file, he's set up to go clear conduct, with
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conduct reports, no behavior modifications. paper wise, he's eligible to be released from level six. >> our feeling is we would like to see him try to make it in a less restrictive area, you know, that is our hope. >> his behavior in the coming weeks will help to determine whether or not he's transferred to a lower level, but even inmates in the prison's least restricted level two dorm still get out of control. >> stay back. you made that comment about that bitch. not going to take any disrespect to the staff. not your business what the case worker does. i catch you to your face calling somebody a bitch, you'll go to level five or level six. you understand me? >> it's a privilege to be in level two. this is a short term facility. you have to have less than two and a half years to be here. and so you know that's part of
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our responsibility, is getting them ready to hit the streets. go back home. be successful and not come back. you know, with the 18 years i have spent working in the field of corrections and the majority of that time spent with men, there's a respect factor you get being female, especially in the state of new mexico because they view you as mom, sister, grandma, whatever, and they feel like you're going to take care of them because that's how they view the female role. >> so i gave you -- >> it was dirty. >> it wasn't dirty. it wasn't dark pink. it was light pink. >> i think that they think i'm a little more inclined to listen to what they have to say. >> i say, you need to call the lieutenant or sergeant down here so they get a second opinion.
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and he didn't want to. he took the cup from me, took the top off, and threw it down the toilet and threw it in the trash. >> it's not right away there's a line and it's like, who's going to win? you certainly have the right to appeal the report. if you're found guilty. >> it works to my advantage, quite frankly, because they tend to listen to me, and i'm not saying two wrongs don't make a right. okay. but for somebody who hasn't had a report in 11 years, and has a family visit in july, i kind of can't tell, you know what i mean? >> yeah. >> i'd be walking a little straighter line. we're always going to work through by policy, so the end result is usually still the same. but the way they approach me is probably different than with a male deputy. >> not all inmates respect the relative freedoms the level two dorm provides. getting caught for drugs or other prohibited behavior. >> we received a kite this
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morning, that being a confidential note from an inmate that was left under the classification officer's door for the warden saying there are rigs, razor blades, knives all over the site. what we have decided to do is restrict movement in the whole facility. we're going to conduct shakedowns. we have the dogs here and those are the things we're looking for. any contraband but also weapons, drugs, watch where you put your hand because if they have drugs, that means there's syringes. we'll also conduct interviews with inmates that may have information they're willing to share with us or otherwise the inmates suspected of having drug activity here in the facility. we take every bit of information that we get seriously because they have the opportunity to hurt each other here. we know it's out there. so our mission is to find it. coming up next, the shakedown begins, and the tip
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so, we're stripping the inmates before we're bringing them out of the units. then they're going to be relocated to the gym to begin the shakedowns in this particular area. we will run the dogs through to detect any narcotics that the dogs may pick up. >> 402, 404, 419. >> we're supposed to go to the store to get our food, and we're stuck in here with some [ bleep ]. they want to see your [ bleep ], lift up your, all types of
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stuff. they came in and shaked us down. steal a bunch of [ bleep ], mess everything up, go back, fix it up, same old thing. >> we lose a lot of stuff like that. our papers, our letters, our personal pictures. >> no drugs, nothing here. yeah. >> why do we all have to pay for it. they complain you have to do your own number. let us do our own number and stop making everybody get in trouble. >> they're interviewing.
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they're probably going to ask you if we know about drugs and then we tell them no comment. they get mad at us and we get back. >> threaten to lock you up. >> yeah. >> we know you know something. tell something or go to the hole. let's go to the hole. >> felix lewis. >> yeah. >> we go. >> see what they got to say about it. >> what's your name? >> felix lewis. >> what gang are you in? >> 18th street. >> tell me about any drugs in the unit? >> no. >> any gang activity going on in the unit? >> none of that at all. i don't bang or nothing. i'm too old for that. >> any violence in the unitt? >> none. really, this is probably one of the calmest, less 1tension placs
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i have been so far. i have been to near every prison in mexico. it's not bad here. i like it. >> all right. take it easy. keep it safe. >> all right. thank you. do i go back to the unit? >> no, go back in the gym. >> all right. >> the truth of the matter is that when you get them isolated, they will talk to you. i have had two inmates already give me information about what's going on in here. so this whole ideal that there's an inmate code or something isn't always true. there are people who will -- there are actually people in prison who want to do the right thing, who want to clean the place up. we find those people. that's why we do interviews. >> after hours of investigation, officers score a big find in the dorms. proven the inmate tip-off was legitimate.
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>> just found a syringe. i'm going to write up a report right now. >> found a syringe in the property. tell me exactly where you found it? >> the officer found it in your cubicle, in your dresser, in a hat. take off your shirt. >> your other one. >> you got marks there.
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>> well, we found this in your property, so we're going to lock you up. >> so this was found in your hat, and you're telling us it's not yours? >> somebody must have set me up or something. >> we give you a ua, are you clean? >> pretty sure. >> what? >> i should be. >> should be? so there's a question about it. >> you're not certain, right? >> i'm not certain. >> last time you used? >> almost a month, maybe. >> shoot up, smoke -- >> shot up. >> heroin. >> yeah. >> shot up there, correct? >> who are you buying it from? >> i can't say that. >> do a ua, see what we come up with, and we're going to lock you up. >> okay.
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>> all in all, i think it was a successful day. we sent a message that we're not going to tolerate any drug use in this level two facility. and that if we find you doing that, especially if we find the paraphernalia, you're going to lockup, and that's exactly what we did today. >> next on "extended stay" felix came up clean in the shakedown, but some fresh tattoos could get him locked up. >> i'm getting aimed at. i'm getting shook down more than anybody. i'm getting picked on. for the 51 million of us who may need a different kind of underwear, this is new depend silhouette active fit. it's slim and smooth so wearing it is no big deal. get a free sample of depend at underwareness.com time for a new routine.eartburn flare-ups? try nexium® 24hr.
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hey. >> openly gay. >> i wasn't going to hide it. >> people took more of a liking to me, a trust to me, i wasn't considered a liar like somebody who's hiding it. it's all about trust in prison.
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i had some problems, yeah. i mean, don't get me wrong, i had to fight. i had to fight quite a few times. >> stand up here on the chair. >> oh, no. i'm not getting on my knees. honey. you got me twisted. i'm not getting on my knees. >> you do it every other time. >> i do not. >> trying to keep my head below water a little bit. that way i stay out of trouble. i stay out of the limelight. i always have to remember that this isn't my life. it's not going to be my life. i want to leave. >> like peaches, every inmate hopes to reduce his security level status and enjoy more freedoms and privileges. these hopes can only become realities in committee. >> i'm going to the conference room with a warden for the
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committee to make sure that i'm able and capable and lower points and eligible for level one. >> hey. for level one. >> mr. morgan, come on in. >> it's a four-foot fence. you know, there's a gate on it. you can actually open it. it's pure freedom. >> mr. morgan, you know i'm going to interview you today for a possible custody reduction from the level two facility that you're at now to level one. now, i have a series of questions i would like to ask, okay? >> all right. what's your projected release as you know it right now? >> 5/1/2011. >> i know you have three points which qualifies you to be at level one facility. tell me what you know about the level one facility. >> it's a work facility, work camp. it's more freedom. and it's just able to walk outside and breathe the air whenever you want to do it.
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>> right. which is a privilege. >> a privilege that i feel i've earned in the long run because i have been in prison for a year and a half, but with county and everything, almost two and a half years. >> ever receive a misconduct report in that time? >> no, ma'am. >> ever have problems with anyone. >> no. >> are you anxious, scared a little bit? >> scared and anxious, both. a little of both. >> well, from all outward appearances and reviewing your file and talking with you, mr. morgan, i'll make my recommendation to the committee, and i think you are a very good candidate for level one. so the committee will give you the final decision, the recommendation will be made in the central office to the classification bureau, and my recommendation will be that we send you to level one. >> all right, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> i appreciate it. >> all right. >> thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> i click my heels together three times and i'm on my way.
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this is like a bump in the road for me. perfect, i'm going home. yes. some people, it's like hereditary, they stay here. >> lewis. the warden needs to talk to you in the office. come on down. >> felix lewis, when he first got here, we had given him a urine test, and he came up positive for thc. basically came to me, told me he would participate in substance abuse if i suspended the sanctions on that report. so i gave him a break. i suspended the sanctions for 180 days of clear conduct. to my understanding now that he picked up a report on the weekend for tattooing. >> that's correct. >> at this point, i want us to impose the sanctions from the misconduct report. i want to see the tattoos. >> come on in. >> so me the tattoos. >> what it was, right there. >> where it's red?
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>> all these ones, you can feel that they're new. all these, i don't know if they're -- i guess you would call them. >> first of all, i'm disappointed. i mean, all we have in this world is our word, and you came to me and you said i give you my word. you won't have any more problems with me. okay. and so then i hear that you're tattooing in the unit. >> okay. >> and i see evidence of that on your arm. you know? and so what am i to think? >> i'm getting aimed at. i'm getting shook down more than anybody. i'm getting my money counted more than anybody. all of a sudden i'm getting picked on. >> somebody who has suspended sanctions and somebody who wants to be able to visit with their family and enjoy their daughter, that person should be walking a straight line around here. i don't see you doing that. i don't. and that's why i'm disappointed.
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i mean, living in level two is a privilege. you know? i don't expect people to be tattooing or using drugs or smoking cigarettes or int introducing contraband. that's not tolerated here, and especially from somebody who's been given a break. >> and once again, felix, you know, no hard feelings, but i do believe that this facility isn't working for you right now. >> a transfer hold for an alternative level two. >> i'm not going to stay there six, seven months. >> no, you're not. that's not going to happen. >> okay. >> well, pack up his stuff. going to level five. >> felix lewis is not being moved to a higher security level. he's being transferred to the level five facility. which acts as an administrative segregation within the penitentiary.
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coming up, felix attempts to clear his name. plus, peaches' plan to transfer to a lower level may have hit a snag. >> shiverdecker flexes his macgyver muscles in the construction of a shank. you're like "nothing can replace brad!" then liberty mutual calls. and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. advil is not only strong it's gentle on your body too. no wonder doctors and patients have trusted advil... for their tough pains for over 30 years. relief doesn't get any better than this. advil.
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inmate chris shiverdecker was recently approved for a transfer out of level six back to lower level five. that was until today. >> christopher this morning when i was escorting him, we had a rookie with him when we wanted to pick him up. he said to watch myself today. >> usually when he tells us something, we know that it's business or something was going to happen. your intention was to assault the inmate directly ahead of him. >> if i would have had it my way, he would have been dead. >> what happened. >> >> you don't threaten my life and walk around. something i had to do. i didn't have a choice.
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>> what did you do? >> just slipped the handcuffs and tried to hit somebody. >> how? >> just slide it down. tried to rush the guy. and the guy turned the corner and i guess was gone. and me and the sarge, the sarge grabbed me when i did it, wrestled and went to the ground. i laid there, let him put the handcuffs on me, got up and went to medical. >> he got stripped and had a shank on him. what we have here is an improvised weapon removed from chris. he attempted to assault an inmate earlier today. shiv shiverdecker claimed he had issues with one of our prison gangs that's been giving him stripe over the last couple
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weeks. he actually fabricated this out of a piece of a pencil sharpener, you can see the rivet right in there. and he attached a paper clip to it and ran it back with plastic cellophane on it and put a rubber band around it, to make it more easy to handle, specifically when it gets full of blood if you were to slice somebody. >> how did you get the weapon out there? >> today? put it in my mouth. >> fortunately, the officers escorting this individual were able to maintain control of him through the use of a restraint strap. this is a weapon that could be used to inflict serious bodily harm. they did a good job today. >> i don't just go and try to hurt somebody for no reason. i don't go looking for trouble. i just want to do my time and i want to do my time in peace. you know? people leave me alone, i'll leave them alone. you're not going to hear me yelling, screaming, kicking the door, flooding. i don't do things like that.
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>> were you provoked today? >> yeah, i have been provoked for over a year. this has been building and building and building and building. i mean, sometimes this is the only way people listen. >> hello, shivererdecker. how are you? >> out for the last two days straight because of this. it's not something that you can just go to the cops and say, hey, i feel like somebody is going to kill me, can you help me? then you're going to have a lot more problems than you already got. sometimes you feel like, hey, somebody's going to harm me, i got to harm them before they harm me. period. >> all right. do me a favor. do your interviews and come up and we'll see where we're going to put him. we'll leave him in medical for a while, see what they say. one, he's approved or he's being recommended to go to level five. he may not want to go because
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he's got problems and he's paranoid. so this may have been kind of a pc move. i don't know if that's the truth or not. the other thing is, maybe they do want to get him. i know they don't like him, but is he fabricated weapons because they really want to come and get him or is he doing that because he's shiverdecker? >> the security threat intelligence unit interviewed other level six inmates to determine what was really behind his actions. meanwhile, chris is moved to a new sell. >> what did you find out? >> gardeno wasn't going to be a victim. there's reason to believe he was potentially going to be the aggressor. and shiverdecker knew it and it was basically i'm going to get you before you get me type of situation.
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unfortunately for christopher shiverdecker, the other inmate is a known associate of one of our prison gangs, which basically means he not only has a problem with that individual, he has a problem with the rest of them as well. >> it's a tough situation when you try to assault another inmate. there's going to be some repercussion somewhere down the line. as far as what somebody is going to try to do to him. >> he's going to experience some problems in prison. >> this is the end of the line, this is level six. so he's not going to leave this pr prison. all the bad apples are here. still ahead, the deputy warden tries to convince shiverdecker to reveal how he slips his cuffs. >> my safety net. >> plus, davon, tries to help felix beat his tattoo charges. >> i'm being targeted, picked on, and it sucks. my constipation and belly pain
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still waiting for the final vict of his transfer to a lower level prison, peaches keeps himself busy with his in-prison charity work. >> when we do that, you know about the sanctions? >> what happens if you don't? >> you get a random ua on a bunch of people and a lot of dirty uas, failure to do uas. i'm an in-house attorney so they don't go to lockdown. >> a representative, got a lot of dismissed or dropped or suspended sanctions. >> i sit down and gave them one, not even 24 hours later, and it was clean. and that one was one where i couldn't pee. i tried three times. but it just -- i couldn't pee.
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i just peed before i went over there. >> i was pretty much appointed by the inmates to do it. it's probably because i'm educated. i know what's going on. >> i'll put in the paperwork. anything like that. gave one 24 hours prior -- >> 24 hours after. >> after? okay, so if you do that and you were clean on that one, we could probably get it changed in 30 to 90 days for sanctions. i enjoy what i'm doing. i enjoy helping people. it keeps my day busy. >> peaches isn't the only game in time. davon heads to level five to help represent his friend felix in his hearing about a tattooing charge. >> what's up. >> we have a hearing today. an inmate got a misconduct report for tattooing. he had a fresh tattoo. this is a regular scheduled disciplinary hearing being heard
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on 5608. at 2:20 p.m. on case number, my name is michelle, a hearing officer. will the inmate state his name. >> felix lewis, 56056. >> do you wish to be assisted by a staff member or other inmate? >> yes, davon. >> do you need an interpreter? >> si, no. >> do you wish anyone to assist with testimony that would be relevant. >> there's no witnesses. >> you have been charged with tattooing or possession of tattooing paraphernalia. do you admit or deny it. >> i deny it. >> do you want to tell your version. >> my version, i was in the unit. i was called out. they told me they received information that i had received new tattoos. they asked me if that was true. i said no. so i stripped for them.
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and they seen my tattoos right here that has red ink in it, and they said that it was a new tattoo. i told them to look more closely, that it was red ink. and they were insisting it was new. four days later, i'm in the hole. phd, major, my whole time being down. never had a major before the last one. but i don't understand why i'm knocked down and still they said the redness was evidence that my tattoo was new. and it's still red. it's red ink. there's nothing i can do to change that. red ink. >> do you or your represent have motions to consider or present? >> his arm is still red. >> your motion? >> to dismiss it.
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>> it kind of looks like you've been scratching it. >> i haven't been scratching it. my whole arms are dry. i don't got no lotion. look. >> any considerations? >> consider, what do you mean? >> any considerations, considerations would be if i were to find your guilty, you want to take into consideration your clear conduct or you're a model inmate? >> i don't know about being a model inmate, but if you look in eight years, i've never had a major report except for one. i don't have an extensive
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disciplinary history. i'm being singled out. i'm being targeted. i'm being picked on, and it sucks. >> okay. i'll make my decision. it's subject to the review and decision by the deputy warden. do you understand? >> yes. >> do you understand everything that has been explained to you in the course of the hearing? >> yes. >> at 2:30, the hearing on case number m-081 has concluded. >> dismissed? >> not yet. >> oh. >> i got to go review all this. best case scenario is i dismiss the report. the worst case scenario, he'll stay in the hole for the suspensioned sanctions on top of whatever i give him, and then he'll lose whatever good time. i'm really not sure at this point. i have to ten working days to
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make my decision. the warden has five working days to sign it. >> am i going to get shot if i go out there? >> we're going to try to keep you safe. >> the day peaches has been waiting for has finally arrived. he's about to receive the final verdict in his request for a transfer to a lower level prison. >> how's it going today? >> good. >> mr. morgan, we called you in today to give you the results of the committee action, the decision made by the bureau on the recent committee that was held in the review that was done for your possible transfer to a level one facility. unfortunately, at this point, the prosecution bureau is not willing to approve the transfer because of the timeframe. your projecting release date. we wanted to take this opportunity to let you know.
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>> how long until i can reapply again? >> six months, we'll review. just make sure in between now and then you don't pick up any reports and keep doing your good time. we'll get you there. we really will. i'll work really hard to get you there. >> any other questions? >> no. no, all right. thank you. thanks. >> the bureau will review inmates that don't meet the time criteria, but he's a model inmate here. we referred him early, and they took into consideration all of our criteria that we recommended him, and have decided not to override or consider him for early transfer. >> i'm pissed because i want to do the farm, but there's nothing i can do with it. they have the ball, so it's in their court. i can't just walk out. i'll be patient and wait until they let me go.
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>> rather than give up all hope, peaches gets back to business as usual. >> this is my job for the day. i make a certain amount of money an hour. >> how much are you talking about? >> how much hourly? 75 cents. 75 cents an hour. but it's more than i get paid better, but that's why when we go to the farm, you get $1.25 to $150 an hour. >> look around you. look how close you are to the front gate. how does it make you feel? >> nothing. i'm here to do my time. got a lot more years, you run. that's not where i want to go. i'm not here that long. i'm not worried about all that. i'm worried about getting home. i have family. it's a tedious job, somebody's got to do it, though. i could just be sitting inside, though, all day long. next, felix and joanie have
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a heart to heart. >> yeah. >> and shiverdecker gives a rookie officer some friendly advice. >> i'm in a bad situation, to save my own ass. that's what i'm going to do. ras. get ortho weed b gon. the label tells the story. ortho home defense gives of all these household bugs - roaches, ants, and spiders. spectracide gives you year long control... of just roaches. their label says so. got more than roaches moving in? get home defense. the label tells the story.
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chris shiverdecker is now a permanent occupant of level six. his ability to slip his cuffs makes him not only dangerous but a potential educational resource for new officers. >> stop right there. we know that you're able to get out of your restraints. we want you to show us a demonstration on how you're able to do it. >> no. >> why snnot? >> this is prison. this isn't the playground. >> we're training the officers on what to look out for, and you could actually be a training element in this.
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we have an officer in here, new officer named officer brown. he knows who you are. he knows what you're capable of. i have one question for you. why won't you participate in assisting -- >> a safety net. it's my [ bleep ] safety net. >> i understand that, but if you can do it, you can do it. >> i know but that's my safety net. i don't [ bleep ] do it just to do it, you know? >> so it's relatively easy to do? does it matter how many chains we put on? >> not really. >> are you double jointed? >> it just depends. >> you tell me if i put those handcuffs on you, you can get out of them? >> if i don't like what's going on, of course i can do it. if i feel like i'm in a bad situation and i have to get out to save my own ass, so be it, that's what i'm going to do. >> i'm just asking you for a training purposes for this new
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officer, would you be willing to show us how you do it? no? >> christopher, what happened? >> it was long enough so i could cut it off, so i could send it off. >> to? >> locks of love, for the kids who have cancer. you have to wait until it grows ten inches. once it grew, i cut it off. >> why, though? >> why? why did i do it? i don't know. something to do. i mean -- you do bad, you got to do something good to level it out. that's the way i see it. >> go ahead and restrain him. get that a little tighter. hold up, shiverdecker, hold up.
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check this out. if you can put your finger in there, it's too loose. see how loose it was? >> yes, sir. >> you can still slip that down, can't you? >> felix lewis is guilty. i gave him 15 days seg and 30 days loss of time. >> i told them. >> i did minimize the charges due to the -- but i took into account that i'm not an expert on tattoos. >> just the ink, i'm not going to fight it no more. if i had more time and no family
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or nothing, i would probably try to appeal it and just stay here and be stubborn and try to win it. but 15 days done, i just want to get out of here. >> you have 15 days? >> 15 days. i got here the 30th. >> unit manager over here, and let him know that i signed off on the report. so we can get your status changes if that's what you're eligible for. i understand -- yeah, if this doesn't do it for you -- >> that's what i can. >> that's not fun. >> no, it wasn't. she was putting her arms out to me. told me to grab her. it was hard. >> well, that picture right there, you need to keep that in your mind all the time. >> all right.
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every time i have done time, i have never done time with a kid or a family. >> you're not the only one you have to think about anymore. >> i didn't realize that until now, utit's harder than i thought. >> well, i'm glad. like you said, reality check. >> it is a reality check. >> let me talk to you so we can get you going on whatever the decision is going to be. >> okay, thank you. >> all right. ♪ ♪
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♪ people tend to put your under a microscope. >> you told the lady on the parole board [ bleep ] and called her a bitch and a whore. >> for a s

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