♪ people tend to put your under a microscope. >> you told the lady on the parole board [ bleep ] and called her a bitch and a whore. >> for a staff member. >> the love of my life.

>> david and i have known each other for seven months. when we finally got caught. >> it was a bad choice, but i wouldn't take it back for anything. inmate conrad salso. get escorted every week. we're going to transfer him from a level six facility to a level five facility. we have some issues related to

the classification officer that was assigned to this unit. this particular individual made threats in the recent past, so we need to move him to an alternative housing area. he's pretty short so he's going to begetting out soon. it's in the best interest of the officer to get him out of here. he didn't know anything at this point. at this point, he's just under the assumption he's going to be escorted to medical, at which time i'll speak to him aand advice him what going to occur. >> staff move conrad to a different part of the prison to fifuse the situation. >> saw the officer, i stabbed him in the head when he was like 18 years old here.

>> when he was 18, he started working here. and i stabbed him in the head. >> he's been working here about six months and conrad was complaining like he always did, and went to give him the phone, and the officer opened the door, came out with a shank. luckily i have a hard head, it cut me in the head. sent me to the hospital. came back to work that day. i just come and do my job. i don't want to act like them, you know. >> would you take it personal if someone stabbed you in the head? >> definitely. i would retaliate somehow, you know? a little bit of a change of environment. you're moving today. >> where? >> to the level five.

correct. >> i can get a little bit of international people before i get out in society, because over here in supermax, 16 years, so it's not -- i'm too dangerous to go to a level five, how am i not too dangerous to go to population? >> i don't want you to go with false impressions. they're going to review, and any decrease in the custody level will be through that process. you still need to follow protocol. have a good day. enjoy the five. >> i got 60 days to go home, and i'll be lucky if i get two weeks.

but anything's better than nothing, i guess. interact with somebody physically. >> contact? >> yeah, contact. you can't talk to nobody. visits are through glass. it's not the same. you know what i mean? hopefully i can go out and interact with people and talk. you know, work on my social skills a little bit. >> even though conrad's just been told he'll get none of the special uprivileges the others n his unit do, he's talk aggo goo game. >> i hope they'll let me walk around, talk to people and stuff. that's a big deal. kind of weird, coming back to a population after all this time. yeah. wasn't expecting this when i woke up this morning.

how's it going? you know who i am? >> no. >> oh, yeah. >> how's it going? you going to be okay here? >> yeah. >> you know why they sent you here? >> because i cheated the devil six so my next level is level five. >> you weren't having issue said with the staff over there? >> no. >> i need some kind of reintegration, even if it's time with people, you know what i mean? just to get to be around people. >> you know what i got to do first, though, right? make sure all your concerns, everything, i have to go through your file, make sure there aren't any concerns. >> i don't have enemies. >> you're a validated gang member, or did they take it off you? >> suspected. >> suspected? okay, you going to be okay here? >> yeah. yeah. we're not going to have busted windows, nothing like that.

>> no, not with 60 days to the house. >> all right, man. i want you to stay cool, okay? back in level six, staff is received information about the presence of weapons. >> had an inmate come up to my yesterday and tell me that another inmate, every time he's in there, sweeping or mopping the pod, that he keeps asking him if he can get him some metal pieces, four, five inches long. he said, yeah, every time i'm cleaning in there, he's asking me for metal objects. but the other day when i was sle sweeping and mopping, he called me, got my attention. he pulled out a piece of metal. he said about this long, and said never mind, i have one. i hit the neighbor, and sure enough, the neighbor had one. the object we found was about seven inches. we're missing probably about this much.

basically, we're going to go down to s-pod where the weapons were found. i shook down three and i'm going to shock down the whole pod. we need to do this, get one guy escort them out there, and remember, nobody in the secell until the canine goes through them. make sure we do strips because if they see us and see what's going on, they're not hiding nothing in there. top tier, down to the bottom, walk around. see if you can catch anybody stashing anything. if they start flushing a lot, shut down the water. everybody's going to the yard. >> this may be the officers' last chance to recover the weapons before they're used. >> like four or five weapons in there once you melt them all down. >> also ahead, conrad's mouth gets him in trouble with the parole board. >> you told the lady and you called her -- and natural mulch that holds water

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after receiving an inside tip that inmates may have weapons in the level six facility, officers begin searching the units. >> what i'm doing here is i'm working inside the heater vent here. there's a space between the heater and the wall. that's a real common area for them to hide contraband. hide a piece of wire or string and fish it through behind the crease here and they'll feed it through the vent. found a shank in there yesterday, a pretty nice one. about i guess about five-inch, six-inch. sharpened. >> the officers didn't find the metal stock, but they did find a possible new source of weapons. >> yesterday, one of the weapons we found were made out of

material. that's the new thing, i guess, now. i never saw big chunks missing, and they're taking the chunks off and melting them down and making a weapon. the stuff dries pretty hard, so it's not soft. there's probably four or five weapons once you melt them down. we're going to write him up for destruction of state property and take it out. i tell the officers if you do your job, you should be safe. you shouldn't get stabbed or anything like that, but there's always one time you slip up and that's when it happens. they will wait and wait. you don't follow procedure, that's when you get hurt. >> it's not uncommon for inmates to land longer sentences in prison because of bad behavior on the inside. inmate david learned this lesson the hard way. >> i have been in prison 18 1/2 years now. i have been convicted of aggravated assault on peace

officers, probably two or three times. battery on officers. you know, anything you can think of. i mean, i've stabbed officers. i've sliced officers. i've probably thrown chemical w warfare on 30 people, 40 people. if not more. at one point, it had gotten to where i had absolutely lost my mind. i got out of my cell by sliding my handcuffs to the front, pulling out about a six to an eight-inch knife and stabbing two different officers and chasing quite a few other ones around. i still lost, i ended up -- they put me in the death house.

i stayed in that cell for about 30 days staring at the table. i was 20 when i came in. 19 when i fell, but i came in with 18 months. >> how old are you now. >> 38. >> all this extra time is all becau since you've been in jail. >> yes, every bit of it. i fought the law and the law won. i got it in my head that i was going to battle and go against authority figures and do all i could to earn my reputation in prison. >> last time we saucon rad, he was being transferred to level five after threatening a staff member, but today, we're seeing a whole new side of him. >> today i get to see my wife and kids.

i look forward to visiting with them every week, you know? every month, depending on what level i'm on. >> i had a friend who was in prison that i met him through, that introduced us. we met, 13 years ago. we were married two years after we met. >> you're going to go through this door, down the stairs and to the left. he's been locked up the whole time, out of state for about six years. in california for a couple years, to virginia for about a year and a half. he went to illinois. when he was in california, we went and spent summers with him, to the whole family, the kids, his mother. he's being released next month, hopefully. >> what are you anticipating? >> i don't know. we're excited. we're -- i don't know, worried, nervous. he's infer been out there with us. our whole time together has been in here. the kids have all been raised

here, too. with him being locked up. you realize that he needs to get out. he needs to be out with us. and hopefully it's going to happen. >> hi, baby. >> i can't wait until you get out. >> you guys got everything set up already? >> yep, we're ready. >> the question is are you ready to get out? >> i'm ready to get out, but it's kind of like a lot of anxiety. like, i don't know what to expect. >> you'll get used to it. you'll be all right. >> we'll see. going to have to walk to the shower like that, like i'm shackled. put bars on the window. >> we can do that, too. >> put bars on there. it's going totake some getting used to. going to be, you know. >> on all of our parts, not just you. >> do you know what day you're getting out or is it up in the

air? >> the projected date is may 19th. when i hit parole board next month, they'll tell me. >> that's when they give you the date? >> right there, they'll have the exact date and tell you about the dress out and the $50 check they give you and all that. >> cool. when do we see you again? >> i got a visit scheduled again for saturday. i'll try to call before then, though. >> okay. >> see you later. >> love you. >> love you, too. >> hard to adjust to society going from this, you know. from this to freedom out there. you know? i don't know what to expect when i get out, you know? coming up, conrad's mout gets in the way of his parole. >> why do you guys expect to talk to us and expect us to go,

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visits provide many inmates a glimmer of hope for the future. but for david, it's a sight he may never see. >> i fell for a staff member, and she got fired. >> the love of my life. i can't even have visitation. >> well, i met him while i was working at the penitentiary. and he was one of my patients. he's a real smart one, smart alec, funny guy. and i was, too. i was feisty right back to him. we just started messing around, joking around like that. i think that's what our playfulness with each other, what got david and i to start a friendship.

>> as the old saying goes, you can't help who you fall for. you know? >> david and i had known each other for seven months when we finally got caught. >> an officer came up to me and told me that he thought there were some improprieties going on between david and a nurse. okay? so what i did is i pulled up his information on the computer. i had a bunch of phone calls from the inmate. and then i started listening to some phone calls, and the name paula came up. and paula happened to be the nurse that the officer told me about. >> they said that they recognized her voice on the telephone. we were communicating, you know, outside of the prison system. i didn't want to get her in any kind of trouble. but i couldn't stop communicating with her. there was no way that that was going to happen. >> one day, i was out on my med run, and one of the sergeants came and got me from the pod and said that the captain wanted to

talk to me. so we went on up there and when we went up there, they asked me if my cell number was a certain number, and i said it was. they asked me if i had been talking to david. and i said no. and they began to play a tape. >> after we played the tape for her, she confessed to everything. she confessed to having a relationship with him. >> i didn't know what to do. they just said they wanted my badge, and i was going to be escorted off the grounds. and so i said, okay. and they took my badge and there i went. >> our security clearance was pulled and she's no longer allowed in the penitentiary in new mexico. >> why? >> for the fact it's a threat to the security of the institution. >> i guess i didn't realize what a security threat they thought i would be. i didn't think david and i were anything like that, but who he is and his reputation, i can

understand their fear of what i could have done if he had ever asked me to do something like that, but that was never what we were about. >> it puts everybody at risk, at a very high risk, because they're letting out all our secret, and inmates don't tell us their secrets, we have to find them out. if somebody is telling them all our secrets, it goes against us. it hurts us. >> there's a bad choice, but i wouldn't take it back for anything. i think he's the best thing that's ever come into my life. >> all although visits are out of the question, david and paula are allowed phone calls. >> he tried to call me once or twice a week. and so that's pretty much the only time i can talk to him. >> i talk to her as much as i possibly can through phone calls. i just got my phone privileges back. >> we just connect. we just right and left hand. without one, the other doesn't work as well. i don't know how else to put it. he's just my heart. >> a reason for me to change.

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now back to lockup. i took martial arts for 14 years. i'm not hard core no more. i want to get into movies, man. i want to be a comedy actor. i like to make people laugh. >> nathan is not the worst behaved inmate, but he has his moments. >> i was talking on the phone, the co told me to get off the phone. i told her no. when she hung up on me, it just -- i just felt disrespected in every way. so i started telling her off.

and for that, i got a report. >> disrespect to the officers. a zero tolerance policy in the unit. if i give him a break, rirlt not a good prooactice. hello, mr. madrid. the reason we brought you out here today is we're going to hold a unit management team meeting. i think you know why. misconduct report issued for threats, verbal abuse and gestu gestures. criminal madrid was on the phone approximately 40 minutes. at 5:40 p.m., my correctional officer told him to lockdown for next shift. he yelled up [ bleep ] bitch and turned his phone off at that point. i walked to the window and told him this is a directive to lockdown. he was told approximately five times. during this time, inmate madrid was telling me you're [ bleep ] girl, you're [ bleep ] bitch, if you're writing me up, i'm going to make it worth while.

t inmate madrid locked down and started banging the door with his stool. continue for a while. he was informed this would be on the misconduct report. okay, mr. madrid. this is very inappropriate behavior. >> i lost it. i was talking to my grandmother. she advised me, she did her job. i didn't matter to me because i wanted to know if my brother was going to live or die. >> you have to understand your mouth keeps getting you in trouble. what you did is put her authority in question in front of all the other inmates, okay? >> before anything like this happens, you should have come to me and said i need to call, i need to do this, and i need to be able to speak with my family. but once you took it too far with amy, i know you have a habit of doing that because i have been advised by some of the other staff members that you'll go off on them and then you'll apologize for it. >> cut it out, okay. what we're going to do is we're

going to regress you to the beginning of the program, you're going to lose all your privileges. all right? and we'll see you here probably in six months if you're still here. >> five one? >> this is behavior i'm not going to tolerate. what's going to happen is we're going to put you back in the strip cage. we're going to pack up your property and move you out of the unit. that's it. think twice before you do this again. >> had it not been in here, it might have been a different story. >> when i said jackson, you should have got in there and told her to quit yelling at me. did you, you didn't. her yelling at me in front of everybody? is that okay?

>> you did before she did. you know the truth, nathan. >> i have two and a half years for good time. with this report, they can take all that. if my lady is watching this, you don't want to wait for me, beat it. you know what i mean? i don't care. >> did you just break up with your girlfriend? >> it's going to happen anyways. >> why? >> because she's been waiting for three years. she's not going to -- you know what i mean. she's not going to understand this. it's all good. it ain't about her. it's about me. i need to get right for myself. we sat down to interview conrad salazar just days away from his projected release about his recent parole hearing. apparently, it didn't go so well. >> you're camera hungry.

anything to get on the camera. >> gestures, parole board. you have the right to remain silent. are you going to make a statement? >> yeah, what is this report for? >> you told the lady on the parole board [ bleep ] and called her a bitch and a whore. >> for nose reason? >> you're entitled to put your statement in there. >> okay, i asked her why she was putting me on intense supervision, it was setting up to fail me. she got mad and asked me why, and i said the last time i ended up shooting the cop that couldn't hold down the job. in ten years, i think i got two of these, minor reports for verbal abuse. all women. why do you expect us to talk like this and us to go, okay,

uh-h uh-huh. >> i need to know who the parole board is so i can ask a question, like if she started the confrontation. >> you can submit questions to me in writing, but i'll tell you right now i find it irrelevant. >> you don't know what the question is? >> you said whether she initiated it. >> right. >> just write them down. >> all right. what did i do? keep me here another two month, three months? i don't understand it. you know? >> conrad's actions have delayed his pending release. and now with months alone in his cell to stew on this fact, it may be a recipe for disaster. after nearly ten years of producing the lockup series, we've learned safety is every prison's number one concern. and the constant shakedowns of the penitentiary of new mexico proves this prison is no exception to the rule. >> we're doing this morning, there's information that there

could be some possible problems in this unit, so we're going to go in there while the inmate is out, strip search them. once they're done, take them to the yard and shake down the cells. make sure you're looking for any drugs, any weapons, just be careful. they're agitated. make sure you work in twos pulling them out, have your partner with you at all times. >> a lot of inmates like to hide stuff under the rim. with the mirror, i don't have to get my hands in there. they put a razor blade in the vents here. a lot of times on the top, there's a space up here and the inmates will hide stuff. today it was a lighter. >> smuggled in by somebody.

if an inmates get ahold of something that will ignite like an aerosol, they can use it as a weapon. they can also basically burn up their whole cell if they wanted to. makes it real easy. >> so easy, in fact, it happened not long ago. >> we received an emergency call over the radio that there was a fire over in r pod. just frustrated. just decided to light a fire. staple said in the electrical socket and plugged the socket. a prison match. just lit a bunch of linen and stuff i had on fire. >> as soon as we got up here, i already had two officers and i immediately positioned myself at an angle here to attempt to defuse the flame. >> i sat at the back of the room for a while. when it started getting full of smoke, i got the blanket and put my head in the toilet and started flushing the toilet to keep the air flowing.

>> we continued to try to extinguish the fire. it was unsuccessful. can gave the control center command to open the door 15 inches. and by then, i was already trying to get underneath the door up at the top, and i knew the cos were going to be coming into my room. i was trying to stay as calm as i could because i knew i was going to have to go a couple rounds with them. >> as soon as the door opened up, i saw the inmate luna on the floor, had his head in the toilet, was motionless. i started spraying the inside of the door. at that point in time, when i was coming down with the hose and the fire extinguisher, he had gotten up and come out the door sideways. the door opened. i ran out of the room and was sprayed with a fire extingsuishers. i swung at a co trying to put out the fire. >> once he did that, he came over, he took a swing and

actually did hit me. and i had taken the fire extinguisher and swung it in defense of myself, and hit him in the head. and he was still fighting. he was still trying to hit me. so i grabbed his arm and he had his arm, so we both had them like that, and we had to take him down. >> i don't want to see him boasting about it, making myself out to be a bad ass, it's just mindless. it was irresponsible. i got emotional and i did it without thinking. it led to a lot of chaos. i was scared. i mean, you never know. when he was -- we were boxing and he was punching me and i was blocking some of his punches, but he was making contact, and i didn't know if he was actually sticking me with a weapon. >> i ended up getting charged with assault and battery on a

staff member. damage to property. one of the cos would have gotten seriously hurt, i would be here for long time. to me, it's nothing personal. if i took things personal, i couldn't even come here every day. we're human, they're human. they have a bad day just like we do. you have to kind of understand that, and realize that, give them their space. and the next day, it's a new day. coming up, conrad seems to be on a downward spiral. he's denied a family visit and goes off on staff. >> [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> and david and paula are getting hitched. >> i brought you this application from the marriage policy. and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira giving me new perspective. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years.

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getting an inmate from the facility, inmate conrad. he's coming from a level five on a suicide watch. he stated in a manner that if he would go back in the cell, he would hang himself. >> i have to go through all of this to see my family. >> since we met conrad, he threatened staff twice. now with only eight weeks till his potential release date, he's forced staff to move him to a medical observation cell. >> it's the only way you can come over here. >> why? >> because i can't see my

family. you know? they [ bleep ] on the paperwork. they'll tell you they didn't, but they gave he the run around, so now they got to pay overtimers, bring people out of their homes for [ bleep ] because they couldn't let me see my family. >> conrad, you're getting out in two months. >> no, that's what they say, but they'll do everything in their power to keep me here. [ bleep ], they can [ bleep ]. you know? so everything i can possibly do to make them work more, they took my yard. tried to take my tv and not give my visits all because i was peeking under the door to get their attention to come down. what the hell. they put you in that position. then when you are trying to fix it, remedy it, they punish you more. [ bleep ] your level system, you know? change it back. get the door open. let us do our time. this ain't helping me or society

to come out like this. >> back in level five, david is also finding it hard to see the love of his life. >> they've refused to give us visits because she's an ex-staff member here. because of that, the only way we're allowed to have visitation is if we get married. so we're going to work it out and try to get married over the phone. i would love the fact i'm getting married to the woman i love, but i don't like the fact my hand is being forced into that. it would be different. i would have more understanding if we had done anything illegal or if we had broken the law. but we weren't transferring drugs or doing anything that those situations generally hold accountable to those individuals, and i mean, the worse we're guilty of is falling

in love. that's all. >> how exactly does an inmate get married to a woman who is not allowed in the prison? >> i brought you this. application from the marriage policy. you want me to explain the process to you? >> yeah. >> okay. 60 days, they normally require 68 from the day you submit the application until the date of the marriage. the marriage done at level five and six, you would be on one end of the phone, your feanssi would be on the other end of the phone, with somebody who has the authority to marry you. the case worker signs it, the religious coordinate signs it, the deputy warden and then the warden. they also need a copy of the marriage license. thatobtained before you can get married. if you want a wedding ring, it has to be approved to put it on your property, and basically, that's it. >> so i can turn that in as soon as possible. >> you can. you can. that's why i'm bringing it to

you. >> once that happens, i can have my visits, right? >> the policy allows you to have visits with your fiance based on the fact she was an employee here before, i believe that she was denied before. this whole marriage thing came up. ultimately, it's still up to the warden, though. but she'll be a member of your family then. okay, so it makes it different. >> okay. >> okay? all right, there it is. >> thank you. >> all right. see you. >> appreciate it. >> next, the warden catches wind of david's plan. >> even if you get married, we cannot allow the visits. and conrad finally leaves pnf, just not the way he planned. >> you understand? >> yeah. e. get going with gro-ables. e.

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although it's a new day, not much changes at the penitentiary in new mexico. back in medical, deputy warden joni brown pays conrad a visit. >> right now you're on suicide watch. how can we bring -- i'm only here because i'm protesting. i'm protesting the way they're doing -- >> but you're using the system. if you're saying that you're not really going to commit suicide -- >> i didn't say that. i said i'm protesting. >> okay. >> there's different ways of protesting. >> all right. you're protesting by claiming that you're going to commit suicide? >> there's different ways of protesting. there's hunger strikes. my hunger strike didn't work. >> everything that you're doing, conrad, you end up paying for. you were almost to the door. what is your release date now? you got other reports pending. i mean -- >> and it's all because the way they put me in that position. where i have something -- >> it's always they put you in that position. you don't have to react that way. you don't. >> it's like -- >> you want an instant answer.

you want it to be resolved right away. you know nothing works that way. nothing. >> look, i got 60 days. i'd rather do it right here where you guys keep nitpicking and taking my time away. >> this isn't long-term housing. you won't do it right here much. >> i'd rather do it here. leave me here. >> it's not going to happen. that's not the way it works. >> why are you going to put me back in there? >> because you're on suicide watch because mental health has deemed that you need to be here. this isn't long-term housing. you can't be on -- i know, but it's not going to happen. >> i'd rather be in here. >> it's not going to happen. it's not going to happen. who's responsible for their actions? they can't make you do something. you have to do something and then there's consequences. you know how it is to be a short-timer. every little thing can set you off because it's jeopardizing you going home. yeah. we used to call it short and [ bleep ]. >> there's a lot of high anxiety and i'm not going to say that there's not. >> right.

so then you just have to abide by the rules. do what you need to do to earn your good time and get out. >> on a weekly basis i go through all of the facilities and visit with the inmates to see if there's any needs that they have that haven't been addressed through the regular line staff. >> i hear. let's open up the food port so we can talk. what do you need? >> i'm trying to get married. i'm trying to do everything that i can to do things the right way. >> right. >> now, i understand there's a situation to where she was a staff member, but what i'm asking you to look at is the fact that in a position that i had as a convict where i could have done things illegally, we didn't do anything but break policy. why would you deprive us of visits when we won't even have contact?

>> well, one of the reasons is you know that policy does not allow for anybody that was an ex-employee or ex-contractor to come back into the facility irregardless of the nature. okay? inclusive of that is the fact that even if you guys got married legally, the department of corrections won't recognize that as something that we approve. so, in other words, even if you get married, we cannot allow the visits. >> all right, well, how about this? can -- can i get you to talk to robert and get you and robert to maybe move me to central. i'm working on the last of 18. i'm trying to do good and stay focused. >> i'll tell you this. okay, next january we'll have this same conversation, and if you give me clear conduct between now and then, then i'll seriously sit down and discuss it with you and probably at that point in time, i will call the warden and see if we can transfer you to central.

how is that? >> i'd appreciate that. >> give me that time. >> yeah. i ain't got no problem with that. >> don't mess with my office or any of my inmates. >> no. >> if you want to wait you can tell your fiancee that maybe she can look till january and get you transferred out to central maybe you'll be allowed to do that over there. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> all right, thanks. >> we look at former employees coming in to visit an inmate as a security threat. simply for the fact that they have information that would be valuable to an inmate to aid them in an escape or to circumvent our systems that we have. you know, we had several years ago where a love affair happened where, you know, this woman even rented a helicopter and brought him into the old main facility yard to help him escape. you know, some people just -- you know, their love for these guys just grow so big that they'll do anything for them. humans are still humans. you know, inmates are human. that's the bottom line.

>> any time that you can reach a mutual understanding like that to where there is at least hope, that's the one thing that you don't want to take away from any human being is what he holds in high regard or what he has hopes for. i mean, love does a lot of things for people. it wasn't just the fact of love. we all grow old and mature and grow, you know? i'm not trying to stay the same knucklehead i've been my whole life. i'm trying to do good and get back out in society again. >> after eight days on suicide watch, today conrad is being transferred to another prison. pnm's officials would not disclose the reason for his move. >> conrad salazar is being transported to central new mexico correctional facility. >> so is it kind of a sad day to think about conrad?

>> it's always a happy day. >> to what? >> to say good-bye to conrad. >> yeah. the shock. this is an electronic mobilization device. 50,000 volts. it may cause you to self-urinate or self-defecate, do you understand? >> yes. >> conrad sees this relocation as another positive step towards his eventual release. >> this is where i'll do my last 60 days. you know, it's somewhere where i can focus on the street instead of getting umt and my visits taken and taking no more reports. whether i can focus on getting out to the street, here it's not good for that. you know what i mean. you take care, no?

due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> i've been doing this since 1981. in and out, in and out, in and out. >> nobody ever makes parole. they all come back, come back in discharge, and go right back out there again. and we learn nothing because there's no rehabilitation in here.