you roam free. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance you switch to geico. it's what you do. ♪ two wheels a turnin'... ♪ this sunday off and running. republicans in new hampshire taking on hillary. >> when hillary clinton travels, there needs to be two planes. one for her and her entourage and one for her baggage. >> clinton trying to prove she still can't stop thinking about tomorrow. >> we need to be, we have to be number one again. >> but is yesterday really gone? >> and could we see a presidential announcement right here on the show? >> plus breaking through the noise. that gyrocopter incident, the flying mailman certainly got people talking, just not about what he wanted to be talking about. >> and lots of people are having fun with hillary's new logo. guess what? show are we. i'm chuck todd.

joining me to provide inside analysis this morning are former senior advisor to president obama, david axelrod. kathleen parker of the "the washington post," helene cooper of the "new york times" and former senior advisor to john mccain's campaign steve schmidt. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." good morning. lots of 2016 politics on the show. first breaking news overnight. a major rescue operation that is under way. hundreds feared drown south of an italian island of lampedusa, after a boat carrying as many as 700 migrants capsized in the mediterranean sea between north africa and italy. kier simmons joins me from london. it is a fear most of these 700 already drowned. >> reporter: there is. good morning. that search and rescue operation is under way involving italian

boats, the multis, navy and commercial vessels. the italian coast guard said 24 bodies have been recovered and 28 survived. one international organization is saying 49 are rescued and taken to sicily. the sinking boat capsized around midnight local time, which is more than 12 hours ago. the final numbers may be truly gut-wrenching. hundreds still need rescuing, but the hopes of finding more alive after hours on the very cold sea appear to be dimming. survivors say the vessel was carrying between 500 and 700 people. that means this could be the deadliest recorded migrant tragedy on the mediterranean ever. so far this year, 900 people have been rescued trying to make the journey from north africa to europe. 900 people have been killed, i'm sorry. 10,000 have been rescued. >> let's make this clear. this is all stemming from the civil war in libya as basically

libyans and other north africans are trying to flee and get to europe, correct? >> that's right. that's part of it. the disarray in libya across the middle east. these people come from across that region. what the european authorities face is a really difficult challenge. plainly they want to rescue people. at the same time, they don't want to encourage people to make the journey. so far, chuck, they seem to be failing on both counts. >> keir simmons in london tracking the story. thanks very much. now to the presidential race. there are 19 months to go until election day. 19 republican candidates or potential candidates spent the weekend in new hampshire. they had two goals. one was to impress republican primary voters and the other, bash hillary clinton. her announcement last week was no surprise. neither was the fact republican hopefuls saw a bigger target in hillary clinton than they did in president obama. in fact, here is a sample. >> as i was coming up, i was a

little bit startled because i could have sworn i saw hillary's scooby-doo van outside. >> hillary clinton couldn't be here today, because we didn't ask her. >> it is absolutely critical that we beat hillary clinton come 2016. >> i doubt the presumptive nominee to the other party has been the coolest, or shopped in the last 18 or 20 years. >> hillary clinton spent her first official week of campaigning meeting ordinary people or at least trying to leave the impression that she was meeting ordinary people. one hurdle she is going to have to clear is to avoid being seen as the candidate of yesterday. generationally, it's a huge challenge. as marco rubio made clear earlier this week during his announcement. ironically for the clintons, this is especially difficult given they are used to being on the other side of this general generational campaign message. >> i believe we need a new kind of leadership. leadership not mired in the

politics of the past, leadership not tied to the old ideologies. >> from the moment he introduced himself as a presidential candidate in 1991, bill clinton exploited a generational line of attack. >> we have the courage to change. >> the choice is as old as america. a choice between more of the same and fundamental change. >> the american people have voted to make a new beginning. >> the argument, new ideas should trump experience. a candidate of the past could not win the future. >> where there is no vision, america will perish. what is the vision of our new covenant? >> bill clinton ran that campaign against two members of the g.i. generation. in 1992 and 1996. ♪ don't stop thinking about tomorrow ♪ >> showing off his young family and running mate. disarming critics by facing awkward questions on the hip mtv.

>> if you had to do it over again, would you inhale? >> and famously playing the sax on late night. it's a campaign the bill clinton of two decades ago would be running against hillary clinton now. >> with all respect, we do not need to build a bridge to the past. we need to build a bridge to the future. >> republican opponents are already borrowing the bill clinton playbook exploiting the generation gap. >> just yesterday, a leader from yesterday began a campaign for president by promising to take us back to yesterday. >> i think about hillary clinton, i would run 20 years from now for president and still be about the same age as the former secretary of state is right now. >> hillary clinton's big hope, her policy positions and perhaps her gender will trump biography,

particularly with young people. >> another challenge for secretary clinton after more than two decades on the political scene she has a record, which requires massaging sometimes to get in line with today's democratic party. this week, she made it clear she has evolved on same-sex marriage. she no longer views it as a state issue. she clarified her position on driver's licensees for undocumented immigrants. she support state policies to issue them. she hedged on trade. we'll talk about that and more now because i'm joined by the democratic governor of virginia terry mcauliffe who served as co-chair of hillary clinton's campaign. i believe your first time as governor. >> yes. >> let me start with this issue of the past versus the future. you saw the greatest hits and this was very successful for bill clinton running against bob dole and george h.w. bush. hillary clinton is on the other

side of this. how do you look fresh when you have a name from the past? >> i think it comes down to the issues. what voters want is someone who is going to lay out an agenda how you move the country forward. you showed republican candidates spending time attack hillary. that's great. let them do it. every second they are not talking about how we move this great nation forward is great for hillary clinton. let her lay out her positive agenda. it's what i did when i ran for governor of the commonwealth of virginia in 2013. we had a historic win. we broke a 38-year trend. talked about issues and how do you move the economy forward, how do we make virginia open and welcoming. today you look at a virginia today, less a year in office, our economy is booming, lowest unemployment rate in many years. $6.5 billion investment. we brought people together in a bipartisan way around ideas. that's what hillary can do for this country and will do. >> if she's going to be president of the united states, she has to carry the state of

virginia. there are a few things i'm curious. bill de blasio was on the show last week and talked about the reason he wasn't ready to endorse her, he wants to see a more progressive vision which some people would say is to the left. can that play in virginia? >> if you look at the agenda i ran on, i think i was the first statewide candidate in the south. i ran on marriage equality when i ran for governor. i told women i would be a brick wall to protect their rights, and i've done that as governor. to make virginia open and welcoming. what i tried to do is get virginia in line with 90% of the fortune 500 companies. i'm all about creating economic activity. those candidates that lay out an agenda -- and when i talk about jobs, i talk about careers. building the future. when i talk to my education system, don't talk about a degree, talk about a skill set. all these hillary championed about pre-k, reforming our transportation system. we've done that in virginia. her message fits perfectly where

we need to go in virginia. >> you say her message, but we don't know what her message is. you wrote in your book, nafta was among president clinton's greatest accomplishments. she was a champion of nafta. she was a champion of some of these trade agreements, one being debated now called the tpp having to do with asian countries. now she is trying to walk a line here because many in the base of the democratic party don't trust anybody to negotiate a trade agreement, let alone a democratic republican or republican. >> the devil's in the details. that's what we have to see in the trade agreement. >> you are a free trader. you probably want to see this tpp go. >> i want a trade deal that opens up markets to america, creates jobs for americans, protect their wages and benefits. that's what i want. in virginia, i just announced we are up 14% on agriculture exports, $3.35 billion. i travel the globe.

i was one of the most traveled governors, went to china, korea, japan, europe. we brought back so much business from around the globe. >> which means you can't carry the state of virginia if you're a protectionist. >> we want a trade deal that makes markets open. nobody can compete with us, chuck. nobody in america. we've got to have fair rules. we've got to have the same playing field as everybody else. you give us the same rules, there is not a country in the globe that can compete with america. i'll tell you this, virginia, our economy is roaring. nobody can compete with virginia. low taxes, business-friendly environment, great educational institutions. a lot of military assets, largest naval base in the world and deepest port in the east coast. we have it all. you give me a level playing field, nobody can beat us. that's hillary's message. how do you build the economy of tomorrow, not yesterday. how do you help families? how do you provide pre-k so every child has access to early childhood? how do you make sure everybody has access to health care?

a healthy educated work force, that is what our foundation of our nation is built on. >> as you know, presidential campaigns are about personal connections or about honest and trustworthiness things like that. a poll in virginia, that had a good approval rating for you, a majority of virginians approve of you, but another majority did not think hillary clinton was honest and trustworthy. what does she have to do to close that gap? >> talk to the voters. i'm one of the few that talk about the rollout. i thought it was spectacular. having been involved in the campaign. >> you didn't think it was too scripted? >> she got in the van, drove out and sat with -- which is what i did when i was running for governor. i visited every community college. she went to a community college. she took notes. you learn. that's what the best part about running for office is, chuck. you get to travel and meet folks. i went into fire houses. i spent an hour in a coal mine talking to coal miners.

your policies evolve because you are talking to folks whose lives are impacted every day. she went out. there are times in the big rallies and all that. i thought it was great. i want her to continue to do that. meet with the voters, talk to them. they've got the answers. they are living financial distress every day. >> you have that fascinating quote in your book that you quote hillary clinton and talk about this. this is you quoting hillary clinton. they had bankrupted us totally. we own nothing. we didn't own a car. we didn't own a house. we were 50 years old and we owned nothing. all the money we had that was brought into the white house was gone. i hadn't made any money in eight years. it was horrible. i understand you gave them a bridge loan for the house. people will see that and say they didn't have nothing. they had huge earning power. they had nothing compared to a lot of rich friends. is this something she's got to fix if she is going to connect with everyday americans. >> i don't want to spend too

much time going back to the late 1990s, 2000s. i was friends with them since 1980. i cannot tell you the distress in that family with all the issues, legal fees, banks refusing to give them a mortgage. people go through tough financial times. remember, hillary's mother, she was abandoned. that's why hillary's always been a fighter, the child needs someone to be a guardian for them. she came up in a middle class family. look at her background -- look at her today, obviously, years later, but her growing up. middle class roots. her own mother was abandoned. you never forget that. that's why hillary is out every day talking to voters about how can i make your life better? let the republicans spend their time attacking her. that's fine. you need a positive agenda how you move folks forward. you mentioned nice approval ratings in virginia, why? i'm doing exactly what i said i would do. people are sick and tired of the dysfunction of politicians not

doing what they say they are going to do. we are doing what we said we would do and our economy is moving forward and people are happy. >> we'll check back with you on that as this campaign wears on. governor mcauliffe, thanks for coming. >> time to bring in the panel. david axelrod, cooper and steve schmidt. mr. schmidt, let me start with you. you assess the hillary clinton rollout. what did you think? we know governor mcauliffe is for it. >> it's so contrived, so inauthentic, it's almost difficult to articulate it. she talks about meeting real voters, but in the one instance when she walks into a store where there is an opportunity at chipotle to talk with voters, remains in silence in disguise behind dark glasses. bashes hedge fund managers while they are raising money from the $2 billion in donations from

the hedge fund managers. the dissidence from what she says and reality is startling. all campaigns at the end of the day for president are a choice between change and more of the same. we've never as a country, once we made generational change, moving from the baby boomer generation to barack obama's election, have ever gone back. i think when you look at intensity of the republican fire on her, in this matter, talking about this is the future versus the past, i think it's a very cutting, very effective line of attack in the early framing. >> helene what did you make of the saturation coverage of it all? i don't know we were at our best, we in the media looked our best running around chasing her for what were very scripted events. >> i think that is probably true, but that was always going to be the case. there is no way hillary clinton's rollout wasn't going to get a deluge of press coverage. i disagree with steve though. i think her rollout was

actually, i thought it was better than i expected. frank rooney was a really good column in "the new york times" today about the whole idea of hillary taking the crown off. i think what she showed getting on that bus and going to iowa is okay, america, i heard you. i heard your criticism about 2007 and 2008 and this aura of inevitability. i'm going to take it off. that video, even though -- it seems it was polarizing, people love it or hate it, but this is the first time now in the last few months this campaign season has begun that you are finally, we are finally hearing the democratic argument. we've len listening to the republicans the last few months. very loud and now you are seeing a gay couple on the screen in this video and all that. that seemed more forward, i thought. >> you want to jump in here. >> i so want to jump in here. i agree more with steve than with helene. i was so disappointed in that

rollout and everything that followed. hillary clinton, if you meet her in person, she is engaging, she's warm, she is charming, all these things but the american people are not seeing that. i don't care, but after 25, 30 years of public, living on the public dole and i'm sorry for the language, i'm so wound up, you don't just get in a scooby-doo van and go out into the hustings and say, i'm here. i'm one of you. i'm with you and i'm going to listen and you have four people sitting around you. she has to let this inner ayatollah get out of her head. >> i thought she created a bunch of opportunities to be unscripted and spontaneous, then didn't take them. the first day, road trip, that's a good idea. that is different. then there was no unscripted moment on the road trip. >> one of the things we do in this town -- presidential races are marathons and we judge

every 1/4 mile. >> 1/4 mile? judge sooner than that. >> this is the beginning of a long process. she is not going to solve all her problems with one rollout. i thought there was a humility to her rollout that was very, very effective. yes, i agree. i would do more unscripted, drop in on diners and taverns. interact with people. you authentic these interactions working without a net. i think she has to do some of that. i thought it was a good beginning. >> how about without the sunglasses? we could start there. >> she was filmed on a security camera, kathleen. >> i understand she just wanted to have lunch. but you're a candidate. make the most of that opportunity. >> we will have more hillary clinton discussion later in this show. >> quick programming note, chris matthews will be sitting down with president obama. the interview will air this tuesday on "hardball" on msnbc at 7:00 eastern. president obama playing hardball with chris. when we come back, the man who could soon become a big

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welcome back. as we said 19 republican presidential hopefuls have been making their case in new hampshire this weekend. give you extra points if you can name all 19. there were household names like jeb bush, rand paul and marco rubio. long shorts there. jim gilmore. one name that shouldn't be discounted was also there ohio

governor john kasich. he says he is seriously considering joining the 2016 race. the 62-year-old married father of two boasts a 55% approval rating after winning re-election by a stunning 30 points last fall in the key swing state. his resume includes 18 years in congress including a stint as chairman of the budget committee. after congress, he went to fox as an anchor. then became a managing director at lehman brothers before it collapsed. he's evolved from a budget-balancing congressman to a bit of a combative governor in the first year or two of his first term to being now seen as a more pragmatic conservative who is now exploring a run for the white house in a way he did 16 years ago. >> you have an announcement. >> yeah. tomorrow i'm going to formally announce my exploratory committee to run for president of the united states. >> governor kasich joins me now. that was congressman kasich. i hope we provided you a video so you could see your old self

there. governor, 16 years ago and two months that was your response to tim russert. what do you have? are you running for president? >> i still haven't decided. that was great. i wish i could have seen that. bet my hair didn't look very good. i haven't decided yet. yesterday i was in south carolina in the morning and then i was in new hampshire in the afternoon. reminded me of live aid. remember when phil collins jetted from england to philadelphia? >> you're dating yourself with that live aid. >> i know, i know. anyway, all my options are on the table here. i'm more and more serious or i wouldn't be doing these things and i have a heavy schedule coming up, chuck. the reason i feel i should be in there, i've had foreign policy, national security experience. i was chairman of the budget committee. we actually balanced the budget and got results and the economy got better. as governor of the state i inherited a total mess. at the end of the day we are

running surpluses, the largest tax cuts in the country we reformed government. of course, as you know, we've not ignored those who live in the shadows, mentally ill, drug addicted. as a result of the growing economy, as a result of giving people in ohio increasingly a sense that they're included, i had a terrific election victory. 86 out of 88 counties. i won cuyahoga county. >> cleveland, right? >> which obama won. it was cool. >> 16 years ago your candidacy didn't get off the ground because of a man named bush. 16 years later you are thinking of running for president again and there is a guy named bush in the field. is his fund raising -- >> could be deju vu all over again. i don't know. we'll have to see. >> if you thought he was the best candidate to be president of the united states, would you be exploring a run for president? >> chuck, i have more experience

than anybody in the field. that's really what i have that stands out. i don't just talk about what i want to do. i can tell people what i've done. you think about it. i was chairman of the budget committee, spent ten years of my life to balance the budget and in '97 we got an agreement where we paid down the largest amount of publically held debt, cut capital gains tax, involved in military reform, got one of the best records in the country as a governor. i don't just talk about things. i'm doing things. as a result of that, i think that qualifies me to be out to run the country, not just talking about what i've done, but the concept of leadership. that's what we desperately need in this country. leadership that can bring people together and solve problems. >> the big question mark about your candidacy has to do with ideology. there were anonymous fliers talking about you taking the medicaid money having to do that was connected to health care.

you said something to this when asked if you were conservative enough. you said this to cnn. a republican can't be elected without winning ohio. if they are going to come to ohio, extremism isn't going to work. what did you mean by extremism? what is extremism? >> the dividers. people who want to divide with fiery rhetoric and attacks. people in ohio want to know, do you get them and their problems? in other words, i love the fact they put those fliers out. that means somebody is taking me seriously. i thought that was really terrific. here's the thing. everybody knows somebody who suffers in some way or another from the problem of mental illness, whether it's depression, bipolar. everybody, unfortunately, increasingly in america knows about somebody who has an addiction problem. everybody in america knows we need to get the working poor on their feet so they can do better. and everybody knows that we have to have a strong economy because it all starts with that.

that is a message that not only, in my opinion, appeals to conservative republicans, i think it appeals to americans. remember, ohio is a microcosm of america. if you cannot convince people that you understand their problems and you are going to try to fix them, you are not going to win anything. so i'm not so much into the attack mode and all that other business. i'm into solving problems. frankly, chuck, if we don't solve problems, our children suffer, our families suffer, our communities. look at our country. around the world, our friends think we are confused and our enemies are emboldened because we are not fixing anything in this country. we can if we stop hanging out in our silos thinking we've got all the answers without realizing you can compromise without losing your principles. >> the job before governor was managing director at lehman brothers. lehman brothers famously collapsed and started the financial fall. can you tell me this. you were at lehman brothers.

what did you learn from that experience that makes you think that this won't happen again? have we corrected the problems to make sure this won't happen again? should we have rescued lehman? should the government have bailed it out? >> that is past history. here is what i will tell you. wall street is necessary because it helps move the financial operations of america forward. i'll tell you the problem with wall street. it's too much about i got to make money. it's too much about, there's too much greed. that's just part of what happens there. i've always argued -- >> lehman was too greedy? >> i think on wall street most of the bankers have to fight off the concept of greed. you know what they say all the time up there? am i going to get paid? that means what's my big bonus going to be. nothing wrong with that, but here's the problem. if all you seek is money without values then you're bankrupt. what i think is our financial community has to realize there is a moral underpinning.

michael novak talks about it. free enterprise, free markets. exactly what we ought to have in america, but there has to be a conscience that underlays it. at lehman i spent a lot of time in the silicon valley. i could see the future. that's what we have to be about in america. bringing ourselves together, innovating and moving in terms of innovation and vision. >> quickly, why wouldn't you run? you are exploring now actively. what would convince you not to run? >> well, my family is a consideration. number two, most important thing, what does the lord want me to do with my life? he puts us all on earth to achieve certain purposes. i'm trying to determine if this is what the lord wants. i'm not going to figure that out laying in bed hoping lightning strikes. i'm out there, one foot in front of another, traveling aggressively. we'll see what happens. >> if it's sunday it's "meet the press."

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we are back. protest is engrained in the dna of this country, unrest of unfair taxes by the british grew into the war of the independence and founding of the united states. in washington, two different kinds of protest movements have garnered attention this week. yesterday thousands gathered on the mall for what now is an earth day concert to highlight climate change. it doesn't seem what was once an actual protest movement to bring attention to the environment turned into an opportunity to enjoy nice weather and see no doubt and usher. but on wednesday we had an old fashioned movement, doug hughes a postman from florida managed to pilot a gyrocopter through restricted air space to the capitol. he wanted to do a political protest on the financial laws. if he was hoping to generate headlines, he did succeed but not on the issue he was focused on. it was on security. i want to bring in the panel here.

i find that political protest these days, i guess it's harder to stand out. >> i'll say this. >> did you know it was about campaign finance reform? >> i give anybody credit if you can land anything on capitol hill these days. no. clearly, most of the country doesn't know this was about campaign finance reform. with the security concerns we have that really was what was underscored by that. i don't think he achieved his objective, although we are talking about him today. >> i guess what should have been our responsibility? all the stories are about security. should we have shot down the gyrocopter and things like that. some people wondered, if we use that in the boston tea party, would the focus have been what have they done with the harbor? have they poisoned the harbor? >> i'm glad they didn't shoot him down, but he must have been willing -- he says he did not expect he would be harmed, but there is an aspect of danger there, for sure, that he must

have -- he was submitting himself as a martyr almost. ultimately in the longer run, the next day, he is going to have had some effect because we are talking about campaign finance reform. it's on the tips of our tongue. >> no, we are not. >> we might be. >> we're talking about the gyrocopter. >> that's today because it's so bizarre. i'm writing about campaign finance reform tomorrow. therefore, we are talking about it. >> we are talking about extraordinary bad judgment of an epic scale. we look at the security issues in washington, d.c., the incidents that have taken place at the white house over the last year. it's extraordinary. he endangered himself, he endangered other people. the security issues the city faces around the capital, around the white house, is just extraordinary in his lack of judgment. >> he had a letter. let me give you an excerpt of the letter he was trying to deliver. "as a member of congress you have three options. you may pretend corruption does

not exist or actively participate in real reform. if he mailed these letters, nobody would have noticed. he was looking for an extreme measure. the pro-life movement, some take more extreme measures, around this town you see pictures of fetuses. people take a step back, but at the same time radical protest idea does draw attention. >> it's just that it's campaign finance reform. it's just so -- i can't get -- no. i think that -- i just think -- >> it was the wrong method. this is a huge issue. we are being flooded with money and it is corrupting. but steve's right. this was not the right method to deliver that message. >> but we are talking about one guy. this is one guy. this is not a movement. this is not exactly the boston tea party. >> let's go to campaign reform. >> it made it to "meet the press."

>> campaign finance reform, it was one of the few issues hillary clinton took a stand on in iowa where she called for the constitutional amendment to deal with this issue. at the same time her aides are saying she is going to raise $2.5 billion. >> he should have landed his gyrocopter on top of scooby-do. that's where we are in politics. as this proceeds, as this campaign proceeds and we see all this enormous amount of money funneled to candidates, a lot of republicans really still are upset about mccain-feingold. that created opportunities for the mega dollars that are not identified. sources are not identified. that is going to be a continuing problem as long as we have this system in place. >> helene's reaction is the way most americans react. john mccain had this right. nothing changes until there is an actual scandal. >> there is not an actual scandal. we've legalized what used to be scandalous in the process.

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when people think of tea party republicans in the senate, they think of those running for president right now. rand paul, at the scene cruz and marco rubio. if you ask those three senators if they regard the intellectual backbone of the reform conservative movement here in washington, they would name one senator, mike lee of utah. he's got a new book out, "our lost constitution" and he joins me now. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you. >> let me get to a piece of senate business. jeb bush had this to say about the loretta lynch delay. >> i think presidents have the right to pick their team, in general. if someone is supportive of the president's policies, whether you agree with them or not, there should be some deference to the executive. this should not always be partisan. the longer it takes to confirm her, the longer eric holder stays as attorney general. >> that's been the part of this i never understood.

what is the endgame delaying her nomination considering all of the anger that many conservatives like yourself had. >> there are a lot of concerns with loretta lynch that focus a lot on what president obama did with our immigration code back in november. he basically -- >> loretta lynch didn't do this. >> no, she didn't. but when questioned in front of the senate judiciary committee which i sit, she refused to acknowledge that there are limits to prosecutorial discretion that must be taken into account when you have apartment undoing a huge swath of federal law. >> vote against her. why not just give her a vote? >> i'm certain she is going to get a vote. i'm not sure what the timing of it is going to be, but it'll happen. >> you think six months is reasonable? don't you think this has been a little ridiculous? >> i'm not going to say it's ridiculous. i think it's ridiculous the president rewrote the immigration code. he hasn't provided a legal explanation what empowers him to do this.

when you've got someone nominated to fill the highest legal role in his administration, and that person doesn't come forward with an adequate legal explanation of either why the president was allowed to do this. >> courts are reviewing this now. >> it's moot with her. >> but the senate in particular has a responsibility to review those who will be advising the president on legal matters. >> you think there should be a vote now. >> i think there will be a vote soon. >> what does that mean? >> the next few weeks. >> let's go to the presidential race. you have three friends running. there is one you've got a plan that is going to get debated a lot. it's this tax plan you've done with marco rubio. what is interesting about it is it seems to have, you get hit from both sides on this one. some conservatives are unhappy, it lowers marginal rates from 39 to 35. a lot of conservatives want it lower than that. you keep a progressive tax rate 15 and 35. but it also increases the deficit by a lot, by billions of

dollars in the first five years and takes, even with dynamic scoring, and i don't want to get into that, it could take over a decade before it rights itself. do you think this tax plan can withstand scrutiny? >> i do. this is a pro growth, pro family tax reform. one that dramatically simplifies the code. at a time when americans have experienced their annual tax day. at a time when our tax freedom day gets pushed out further and further. the american people are tired of a tax code 100 years ago was a hundred pages long and is now 75,000 pages long. they're re -- ready for reform and tax code simplification. my plan would get rid of the marriage tax penalty which is a concern to many people. gets rid of the parent tax penalty and would provide a new child tax credit to get rid of that penalty. >> do you have a favorite among the three? >> i really like all three of my senate colleagues who are running for president. i intend to be a supporter of all three as i can. >> what do you say to the

criticism that says republicans shouldn't nominate a senator. they can't run things. governors can run things. what do you say to that? >> the other side to that is with someone who has helped federal office you have the opportunity to examine how they view federal issues, how they view the constitutional authority given to the federal government relative to the power a governor wields in the state. >> we'll have a longer conversation about your book on "press pass." i'm curious. you call it our lost constitution. do you believe the constitution is a living document or do you believe it is sort of as written, a strict document that shouldn't be over interpreted? >> it's written in a way it could be amended with time. over time it can be amended and had been amended 27 times, but once it's written, once its provisions are put in place, we need to follow it. if it's not up to date, we need to amend it from time to time as we have. >> that's how you would change it. amend it only. not trying to reinterpret it? >> we reinterpret it for the

times, certainly. for example, they didn't contemplate interstate air travel but it fits within the commerce clause to regulate channels and instrument commerce like interstate airways. even though they didn't cop tem contemplate that specific thing. the reason i why "our lost constitution" we drifted so far from the founding generation's understanding, and this is supposed to be a limited purpose government. there are a number of provisions i profile in the book we neglected entirely and need to restore them. >> maybe the country needs a constitutional convention. senator lee, thanks for coming on "meet the press." appreciate it. >> we'll be back in less than a minute. get re-heated. re-nuked. and re-baked. and when leftovers are done... there's always stuff left over. new dawn platinum power clean calls dibs on those. it powers through tough, dried-on messes in seconds. even 48 hour stuck-on food.

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before the panel weighs in for endgame, this sunday marks the 20th anniversary of the worst act of homegrown terrorism in american history, the truck bomb attack on the alfred p. murrah building in oklahoma city which killed 168 people and injured hundreds more. go to our website and see our archive of tom brokaw reporting as well as a link he wrote for "usa today" where he said it was a time to show the world the healing qualities of faith, community, rule of law, memory and commitment to the future, and in this current atmosphere others would do well to take

note. those are great words. oklahoma city has done a tremendous job essentially to re-brand itself. nobody now thinks of oklahoma city as that. they think of kevin durant and a lot of positive things. good for that. i want to go to loretta lynch. six months. just give her a vote. how has this happened? >> i think the republicans often pick the wrong battles, but they did want to use -- they wanted a certain language in the human trafficking bill and are satisfied they've gotten what they want. i spoke with senator mcconnell's office yesterday, and i'm told she will be brought to a vote wednesday night at the latest. most likely prediction is -- >> she will get through. steve, this seems they picked a fight they didn't know how to win. >> it's not a smart political fight. jeb bush is right about the deference that should be

afforded an executive with regard to qualified nominees. this process has been broken some time. there have been great sins by both parties. the question senator lee brought up, the chief law enforcement officer of the country being unresponsive to a question about limits on executive authority with regard to this very important question that is now moving through the appeals process and ultimately to the supreme court with regard to, in the view of many of us, the president's great overreach and rewriting the immigration laws. i say as someone a long-time champion of immigration reform. >> it's in the courts. >> right. >> that's the point. the president has a legal point of view on this issue. >> it is a point of view. we don't know he's right. >> but that's for the courts to decide. you wouldn't expect his nominee for attorney general to have a different point of view on this it was interesting he raised immigration. you raised human trafficking. that was a smoke screen for a lot of folks who wanted to protest immigration. >> of course.

republicans are feeling pressure not to get through this vote, but to vote against loretta lynch which is such a big mistake on so many different levels. why would you oppose the president's selection when he has the right to pick his own people? if you are trying to attract the african-american voter, the female voter, pick a different battle. >> they all seem to agree she was highly qualified. >> that was the other part. nobody made a case against her on her own qualifications. >> not at all. at the end of the day what seems so perverse when you are looking at this from the outside, these guys really hate eric holder. >> that was the other part of this. >> the longer this goes on, the longer he sticks around. if you're from the outside looking at them none of this makes sense. >> this is something they and holder agree on. he would like to get out of there, and they want him out of there. >> politically, they should have called the vote 20 minutes after rudy giuliani endorsed her. it was game, set, match. >> that's right.

let's lighten things up a little bit. hillary clinton has taken a lot of abuse for her choice of a campaign logo this week. let me read you a few of the campaign headlines of these past couple of weeks on logos in general. the u.s. map and marco rubio's campaign logo doesn't include hawaii or alaska. ted cruz's logo is an upside-down burning american flag. why is this hillary logo so terrible? it's hillary's logo that inspired rick wolf, a freelancer designer, to create a new font called hillary bold. #hillvetica. there is you can't handle the truth in hillvetica. there's the i'll have what she's having. and we played with our own logo here. we asked mr. wolf why he did it? i like the idea of making people laugh through design and no one knows whether i did it because i support mrs. clinton or want to give ammunition to her detractors. it does both. that's the great thing about language.

david, the logo -- you now recognize it. some people like it, some don't. >> logos should have a message to them. our sunrise logo for obama had a message. i'm not sure what the message of that logo is. >> you are not a fan? >> not really. >> what about logos for mccain? would you have sent it back? >> i can't believe people sat around in a room and said, yes, this looks great. let's make this our logo. >> everybody knows it. >> as the youngest person on this panel i want to say -- >> wow. >> ouch. >> what does that mean? >> my teenage neighbors who are all into logos and all that hate the hillary logo. they went crazy over it. they are all huge hillary fans. >> that was a gratuitous age remark. >> sorry. >> who is the oldest person? >> all right. we are not doing that. >> we'll be back next week to discuss everybody's age because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." discuss everybody's age because

if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." when you need to find out what really happened -- >> oh, my god. no. >> -- a camera can mean the difference between knowing and not knowing. >> if it wasn't for this videotape, we would have never really been able to uncover the truth. >> key evidence. >> it helped that everything was caught on camera. >> recorded -- >> oh, [ bleep ]. oh, [ bleep ]. >> -- and reviewed. >> i do believe that there is always somebody watching. >> the attack on it was very aggressive. kind of disturbing how aggressive it was. >> images with the power to reveal the truth -- >> i feel