many boats are cap sizing because it is overloaded. >> rescuers are searching for as many as 700 migrants off the coast of libya after their boat capsized overnight. >> whether fleeing conflict or seeing a better life still they want to get to europe. the reason they aren't challenging her is because of her qualifications. >> this week hillary clinton will court voters in new hampshire. >> i want to talk to you about my grandparents who immigrated. i'm sorry, i have the wrong notes. this is hillary clinton's speech. >> hillary clinton couldn't be here today. we didn't ask her. >> when hillary clinton travels, there will need to be two

planes, one for her entourage and one for her baggage. i'm concerned that the plane with the baggage is really getting heavy and teetering. >> scott brown tonight let me know hillary clinton will raise $2.5 billion. that's a lot the chipotle my friends. we miss him in the senate gym, too. everybody he is was just there to watch "morning joe" on the tv. >> i missed the joke. how is it going, everybody? we were talking -- while that was playing, we were talking about miley cyrus, you loving her, wanting to have sex with joan jett. how do you even talk about that at 6:01 in the morning? >> i don't know. >> i think it's something to get up for. >> gives you a jolt of adrenalin. >> it does. just like watching i think 724 republican candidates in new hampshire this weekend. >> each better than the one

before them. >> i tell you what they're good. they're pretty good. i went up there and did a panel up there. and it was -- i'm surprised. >> you were saying the energy on the ground is optimistic. >> yeah everybody is optimistic. it wasn't like last year. i went up there and i said at one point that these candidates are a lot different than candidates four years ago. most of them aren't crazy. i don't know they liked that. but they aren't. >> you meant it as a compliment. >> a lot of really strong candidates out there. of course no democrats will like what a lot of them say, but we'll get to that in a second. but to get back to joan jett and john heilemann and miley cyrus and sex, you, john heilemann,

were not in new hampshire where mark halperin and kasie and i and other hard working journalists were. you were actually in cleveland. >> at the center of the rock and roll universe for the hall of fame inductions. it was something. >> you sent me out of nowhere a picture of paul and ringo from about 5 feet away. >> they did that as a finale theyed had paul and ringo singing with a little help from my friends with joe walsh on guitar and -- basically all the induction class and everyone who had sang over the course of the night. >> you were like five feet away from the rehearsal. how did that happen? are you telling me seriously that at the rock and roll hall of fame, if you walk in with a suitcase of coke you can get that close to a stage? >> that may be the case but i did not do that. in this instance i was a suitcase of cocaine free. somehow somebody gave me a crew badge. >> that's unbelievable.

>> i move some had lights around and, worked the sound brdoard a little bit. >> usually you walk around like johnny depp in -- >> but it was truly fantastic. mccartney and roingo, beck. incredible coverage of lou reed songs. great speeches. it was fantastic. and really most incredible bill withers got in-ducted and really the musical highlight was stevie wonder covering ain't no sunshine when she's gone and use me and the two doing lean on me together. >> that's pretty awesome. >> and that will be on hbo? >> at the end of may. it will be a fantastic concert to watch. >> absolutely unbelievable. thank you.

>> a lot of highlights. >> we do have three hours. >> is there a bigger music fan at this table than you other than me? so for you. >> absolutely fantastic version of ain't no sunshine when she's gone. thank you for pandering. speaking of pandering, new hampshire was ground zero for the race in 2016 this weekend. as more than a dozen potential or official republican candidates visited the state. they attended the republican leadership summit in nashville, always an absolutely great place to go. it's considered the state's unofficial kickoff for the gop primary. and the list of speakers varied from governors to senators, but they all shared one common theme, whether serious or funny, talking about why hillary clinton should not be america's next president. >> when i listen to people like hillary clinton, they have it backwards. somehow they seem to think the way to grow the economy is to

grow washington. >> i think her dereliction of duty duty, her not providing security for our forces for our diplomatic missions should forever preclude her from holding higher office. >> i was a little bit startled because i could have sworn i saw hillary's scooby doo van outside. and then i realized it couldn't possibly be that because i'm pretty sure y'all don't have any foreign nations paying speakers right? >> and hgillary clinton will raise $2.5 billion, which that's a lot of commitfof chipotle my friends. >> and politico says christie is down but far from out. and that's what i heard time and time again up there. i wrote about it in february and i say it today. it's too early to rule this guy

out. >> there are ways that we can put our fiscal house in order in this country and we need to. and everybody who is considering running for president of the united states should have to answer for you, what they're going to do regarding the cost of entitlement programs in our country and how they will make it fair for everybody. i didn't run for governor of new jersey to be elected prom king. i'm not looking to be the most popular guy in the world. i'm looking to be the most respected one. and the way you do that is to put forward real ideas. >> so kasie hunt we have so many things to talk about. let's start with chris christie. i asked the panel, whether they believe chris christie was out of it. and what they have been hearing, what i heard, was that chris christie actually surprised a lot of people and people are giving him a second look. what did you hear? >> reporter: i think that's right and you also have to look at the schedule of events that he did outside of that forum. he held two town hall meetings.

i asked him what was different between new hampshire and new jersey and he said i can't really tell you yet, but i'll be here enough times, he's done over 100 town halls in new jersey he's now done two in new hampshire, but i think that's what you're looking at as far as a strategy from chris christie. and it's a strategy that has been tried in new hampshire before and it's worked. these are voters who pay such close attention, they are going to give him that opportunity, that listening. and if he really puts in the effort, i don't think that we can count help out of this as this point. as you saw, this field is so wide open. there is plenty of chance for him to break through. >> i've heard a lot of people talk about how wide open it was. i saw it first hand up there. chris christie, a lot of people talking about him. ted cruz delivered a speech that had people standing. they were standing when he came in standing when he left. rand paul also very strong performance. marco rubio, right now a rock star. he's just -- in republican circles, that guy is the rock

star at least of the moment. three weeks ago, it was scott walker who was the are beingrock star of the moment. any coalnicole, marco rubio, rand paul, very popular. ted cruz very popular. chris christie. and we haven't even talked about jeb. >> yeah, it's a very good problem. and it doesn't accrue to our party's benefit and somehow jeb's detriment. i love that chris christie is raising entitlement reform. whether he goes the distance or not, i think it's hopeful that -- it suggests that we'll be on the side of the adults if we're putting that issue on the table. and new hampshire voters are certainly the kind of voters that can handle that kind of straight talk. but being at the front of this pack is a very good sign because it's a strong pack. >> and i would say if you ask me right now jeb versus the field,

if i ran one of those british betting services i'd still bet jeb versus the field, but i think the more this dynamic stays the same the more that he's in this strange sort of amorphous place where he's ill defined but everybody around him is getting defined. i don't think he'll stay stationery. but right now, i can tell you and i'm sure kasie heard the same thing, nobody up there dislikes jeb but nobody up there is excited about him. it's just sort of as our friend pat buchanan would say, his support appears to be big fat nothing burger. no anger, but then again, no excitement. >> you know when we it our foetit did our focus group, there was not much interest in him among republican voters. very small sample but amazing that there was literally no one in the room that was interested. i think that's the big question for a lot of people in the party.

jeb has the support of a lot of people in the establishment, a lot of donors. the question that you hear a lot of republican -- even people who are generally sympathetic to him, what is his base in the party? who is for him out there. and there is now whether chris christie or marco rubio or scott walker to some extent or even john kasich who is now talking about getting in there are a lot of people about to encroach on that establishment turf and he doesn't have that turf locked down even as it is, and there a lot of people making the move on that turf. so i'm not sure i'd bet jeb against the field right now. >> and here is why i would. because it always happens early nicole oig, and i wrote about this i guess in the last cycle, these guys aren't crazy, but i talked about my dad. my dad, a guy who loved nixon, a guy who voted for nixon four five times. a guy who voted for reagan a guy who did not really give a damn what people were writing about in the national review.

he was a republican's republican. >> and not anti-government. my dad is anti- this government but he does want things to work. >> i think he was probably more conservative than that. he was a small government guy, but he was conservative with a small c. and we've seen it time and team again in our lifetime where early on people catch attention and then sort of the establishment guys like jeb -- i call my dad a midwest republican. they run hot in iowa they run hot this new hampshire, they run hot in south carolina they run hot in florida. and then they take the turn and they go to the midwest and northeast and guys like jeb suddenly start getting 15 20, 30 percent. that's a challenge for one of these guys. they need to break out early or else that's going to happen again. >> and i worked for jeb when i was 25. i saw him in a room full of parents and special needs kids

busting through bureaucracies and making the state government of florida work for them. jeb needs to show what made him a great governor. and i think the challenge of running as a constituent-free candidate, i put jeb in that category, you no longer are speaking to people who have voted for you. you're no longer speaking to people with skin in the game in terms of every decision you make, in terms of everything -- jeb is not in a position anymore as he was when he was governor to rattle the cages in washington which is where he shines. so the next phase of the campaign has to be showing us how he connects with people who have problems with the government. >> it's possible marco rubio is more experienced at this point. he's been a senator to four year, not a governor ten years ago. >> just more current. >> but he's been in the fight lately. and with jeb bush, it's hard to think of what is his brand right now. all these other guy, ted cruz marco, scott walker with the

union, i'm not sure what the jeb bush brand is. >> but that's a very pundity kind of comment. >> except for the fact that jeb has disappeared a bit over the past deckade or so. so i think that makes it more of a challenge for him to define himself. one other thing though what i was just talking about going back to the midwest and the northeast, something you know a lot about his money, one of the reasons why that always worked is because the establishment always had the money, you could write a $1,000 check and guys like romney and mccain and dole were the ones -- now be nobody is crawling through a desert like they were even four years ago where like newt i'm starving i'm starving! boom there is $10 million. ted cruz has 30 and i hear scott walker will have 30 or 40. everybody will have -- >> they will all have $10 million to $30 million. it's totally changed everything.

it has been said that ted cruz has trouble with big dough authorizes donors, he can't make the sale. it doesn't matter. he can get through the first six months with a super pac and grass roots donors an a few more. >> $30 million will get you a little ways if you know how to spend it. we have another story that really caught our eye. there is of course the growing number of conflicts in the middle east. and the side effects of that it's leading to a surge in business for american defense contractors. and it's causing real concerns about a new arms race. new york times is reporting the obama administration is becoming more willing to let arab states buy advance weapons. and the uie is hooking f-16s

from lockheed in syria. the company is also expected to wrap up a deal to use a predator drone for spying operations. and u.s. defense industry officials say they expected ones within days for thousands of weapons from several arab countries who are now fighting isis. there is an arms race going on across the middle east. and american companies are getting rich off of it and to talk about it, let's bring in david ignatius. obviously not the sort of message that america wants to accepted being asend across the globe that we get rich off of other people's wars. dig into this story for us. >> this picture of america as arms dealer to the world especially to the middle east is not and at rack difference attractive one as you say. in this case it's demand pull from the arab countries and

their anxiety about iran's expansion as they see it into arab countries that border them. you have saudi arabia to a lesser september the uae really concerned about political changes in yemen, small country on saudi arabia's border they're now conducting an air war with both saudi and uae plans and they want the very best equipment to conduct that war. they want to laz their botches on top of the target just the way the military can. and there is pressure to provide the most advanced technology. an example is the kind of technology used in our drones that makes them so devastating, countries in that region would like to have similar drones and they say if you want sell them to us we'll buy them from china, which is offering essentially the same armed drone package now to countries like sawed dayudi arabia and the uae.

but we are entering a period that is kind of an arms race. and i worry, i think people in the government worry that this will only accelerate as we get closer to a nuclear deal with iran. and then it will become a nuclear arms race the fear is. and these countries audi arabia, the uae will say they want exactly the same status that you've now granted iran. he we watch the same number of centrifuges, the same rules that could mak us a threshold nuclear state by ten years from now. so it's an irony that a process that began for president obama about limiting the amount of weapons in the middle east is ending up in a boon to an arms race. >> it's an irony, but also every porn policy expert and yourself would have predicted three or four years ago before if iran gets nuclear weapons, saudi arabia will get nuclear weapons,

egypt may get nuclear weapons, uae will be seeking nuclear weapons. this is an irony that has my torts professor would say, should you have seen this coming like a freight train out of the mist. i mean it's coming right at us and he knew this was going to be the result of this. >> he did. just to say one more thing, the way president obama has chosen to deal with this arms race is to gather the gulf cooperation council, leaders from those countries together in camp david in may for a meeting. the point of that meeting will be for the u.s. to say can we give you enough guarantees, enough promises that we'll be there to protect you to keep you there going down this road of ever more arms purchases proceed liver rag, moving toward being a nuclear state. is there some way we can restrain that. and we'll have to see. the preliminary discussions are going on at the white house today.

where the leader of uae is visiting to talk to president obama. and we'll see over this next week whether there is any chance of slow inging -- we have former "new york times" correspondent judith miller breaking her silence about the sources behind her reporting with weapons of mass destruction in iraq. and we'll also be joined by the "new york times" bureau chief. >> like a "new york times" show. >> within day i sea they're the greatest paper on earth and the next day i'm taking out and burning it. >> go and forth. just being even handed. >> am i even handed? >> you are. >> says the man i love having on the show. thank you. so anyway we'll be talking to somebody who has unparalleled accesses to the forces of play in iran.

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fence at the white house late sunday night making it over on to the south lawn. an 8-foot fence. >> come on. >> unless he's got like that spidy grip thing on his fingers this is not -- just absolutely disgraceful disgraceful. >> guys flying helicopters on to the capitol lawn, people jumping over the fence. >> the white house has become -- like the least secure place in washington. >> it is the least secure place. >> we all work in buildings and i'm sure new york is different than a lot of places but we all work in buildings that are really hard to get into. i can barely get in here. >> i can't get in here and i've been working here for a decade. you can just walk straight into the white house and go what's up. >> maybe they could share some tips. >> anyway the suspect was apprehended and arrested taken into custody by secret service. of course that agency has been under scrutiny for a number of

recent incidences. and fbi acknowledged that nearly every examiner in the hair comparison ufrt unit gave flawed testimony for the past two decades. 26 of the 28 examiners in the unit overstated evidence in more than 95% of the trials. those are 268 trials that were reviewed so far. and the "post" is reporting that information from the national association of criminal defense lawyers and the innocent project say they just haven't been telling the truth. the cases include 32 defendants who were sentenced to death. both departments issued a statement vowing to address the cases. where do we even start? where do we even start there? >> just for decades they were just lying about it. unbelievable. in capital cases. >> in capital cases. john heilemann? >> i think one of the thing that's happened over the course

of the last 20 years or so we've seen over and over again that the flaws in the system of capital cases get prosecuted. this happened at the state level, happens at the federal level. for people who are against the death penalty in general, the moral arts are now being buttressed for the extent you believe it by the scientific arguments, that a lot of the scientific evidence has turned out to be 234r5uflawed and creating the movement that argument against capital cases are getting stronger. >> and sadly you can't trust the government prosecutors because their focus is prosecuting and putting people in jail. >> inverse of the conservative argument, the same -- the government that handles the irs will handle a capital case. >> right. >> you can't trust it. >> "philadelphia inquirer" reports the eagles will reportedly sign tim tebow to a

one year contract today. tebow's last nfl stint was in new england before being cut. he will join a philadelphia roster already with four quarterbacks. that's good news for football fans because if you're tim tebow and you've been treated badly elsewhere, you want to go to the city of brotherly love. and philly treats their people well. >> the fans are known to be welcoming and generous. and forgiving. >> oh, wait a second, they did boo santa clause. but in their defense, santa clause deserved it. >> i actually think they threw batteries at him once. >> is four quarterbacks a lot, do they all keep four just in case? what do you need four for? >> he would be the fifth. we're going to a six pack. >> what do most teams have is

this. >> 2 1/2. >> so he won't get a lot of time on the field. >> i don't know. >> he could get cut before the season starts. all those are not guaranteed contracts. essentially we give him a contract to let him try out. >> are they -- doesn't philadelphia, don't the eagles have a jail on site? >> they have their own holding pen. >> i love that city. just love it. all right. well coming up next giving hillary clinton advice on how to run for president. her op-ed titled granny get your gun. stay with us.

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welcome back. kasie hunt still with us and we also have heather mcgee. good >> good morning. >> hillary clinton will kick off the second swing of her campaign. democratic candidate is heading for to new hampshire forto meet the voters. last week jon meacham said it best, that it was great of her to use the dunder mifflin stage, sound stage, to have her like

meet the people. anyway one of the first in the nation's primary state and going to be meeting everyday americans. what is an everyday american? doesn't even make sense to me. >> that's a great question. >> but you're going to be there, right? >> we are. and i think this is interesting because she started her campaign in iowa. and iowa is a place that has really frustrated the clintons for a long time. it's where she lost. new hampshire is the complete opposite. it's the place that kick started bill clinton's campaign. saved him in '92. and in 2008, the state threw her a lifeline. >> over the last week i listened to you and in the process, i found my own voice. >> reporter: they're the ultimate political survivors.

and it's new hampshire that has saved the clintons twice, when they have been given up for dead. >> new hampshire tonight has made bill clinton the comeback kid. >> reporter: a surprise second place finish in the 1992 primary brought bill clinton's campaign back to life. >> i'll never forget who gave me a second chance and i'll be there for you until the last dog dies. >> reporter: 16 years later, his wife landed in new hampshire. after a crushing loss in iowa. >> what can you say to the voters of new hampshire on this stage tonight where they seem to like barack obama more? >> well, that hurts my feelings. i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likeable enough. >> thank you so much. >> reporter: pretty sharp words from candidate bmobama. it was a rather mistake for him and the beginning of a turnaround for clinton. >> i have so many opportunities

from this country. i just don't want to see us fall backwards. >> reporter: that rare seemingly vulnerable moment came the day before the new hampshire primary. and rallied many women behind her. >> i'm voting for you today. >> hillary, hillary! >> reporter: today hillary clinton makes her first trip back as a presidential candidate. it's friendlier turf than iowa and she might be the strongest democratic frontrunner in history. but even her closest advisers warn that doesn't mean new hampshire is a sure thing. >> the new hampshire primary is a real challenge for somebody who is world famous. and i think it's hard to scale things down. >> pretty interesting acknowledgement from somebody who knows the clintons really well, that running as a world famous candidate will be tough for her. i guess the question is which dunkin donuts will the reporters have to face her into. >> she won't be wearing

sunglasses this time i'm sure. so what are her challenges going into new hampshire? we've been talking about some of jeb's challenges. hillary is really running against herself. >> and running against the press. i think she's got -- that is a challenge unto itself. but for her in particular because the clinton's relationship with the press has never been great. she believes the press corps is incredibly loss stillhostile to her. and her first week has only reinforced that in her head because she's subject to not that flattering of press coverage. they feel like that's with a rollout went well. but she got something in that week that i don't think i've seen her ever have before. she's had a lot of hostility in the past from the press. last year she had mockery. and mockery is not something -- >> that's actually worse. >> and not something that she's accustomed to. she had gotten fair and unfair criticism, but she's not been

mocked in the way she was last week. and it wasn't universal, but there was a lot of it and it does pose a certain challenge to her that is different from anything she's faced before. >> so maybe one way that she can actually turn things back to the issues is tap up to wall street. she has a relationship with a lot of the richest people on wall street.tap up to wall street. she has a relationship with a lot of the richest people on wall street. a very good relationship with some of the richest on wall street. not the 1% but the 0.001%. is that not a way to not only draw headlines but also assure the base that you're not going to be the same as some of the other politicians? >> i think she has an opportunity to define herself frankly to a new generation. we have to remember that in 2016, one out of every three eligible voters will be a millennial who really doesn't actually know all of the sort of baggage we're talking about. and this question of whose side are you on, wall street or main

street, is proelbably one of the biggest question. and i worked day in and day out on dodd-frank in 2009. he was the toughest regulator enforcing those rules. and so that was a very strong signal to those of us who want to make sure that the deck isn't stacked against main street by wall street to use her own phrase. >> moraine dowd writes this, granny get your gun, in 2008, hillary clinton campaigned like a map, worried about proving she could be commander in chief, hillary scrubbed out the femininity vulnerability and heart. now she has zagged too far in the opposite direction. she and her fresh team of no drama, ex-obama advisers position that this humility tour will move her past the held layer hilarious caricature as hillary of a robot who has coveted the role of the leader of the free world for decades. is this fair? >> it's brutal, but i was going

to ask you how does her trotting out the word everyday americans cut against -- to me that feels like fingers on a chalkboard if you're trying to stand -- do you know what i'm say something it suggests that they are other from her. and frank bruney had a takedown which included the word marsupial. your point about the press is really interesting to me and your point about one in three millennials being fresh to this, i wonder if you're fresh to hillary clinton and you hear her talking about everyday person as though they're other from her. >> i don't think >> i think she's saying they're other than the lobbyists. our politics is dominated by business and the affluent and she has to say that i actually want to move through and be working for the people who put me in office as an elected representative. and i think the american people understand who is a constituent in politics and it's not them

right now. >> a lot of people in the press here hear a focus grouped poll tested phrase which a lot of stay away from middle class, because people in it feel insecure so let's talk about something else, figure out some way to avoid that phrase. and again, her toughest critics hear that and say there they are again, the calculated poll tested cynical clintons trying to not just speak with normal people. >> and i think that's a real challenge. she'll have to do something that is not poll tested not market driven, not focus group driven and that may require her to actually say some things that upset some friends on wall street. >> it's whether or not she will come out to fight for dodd-frank to actually go farther than where dodd-frank went in terms of breaking up the banks, in terms of equalizing the rates that banks pay and students pay. there are a lot of policy fights on which she can show that she's standing up with every day

americans as opposed to the donors and lobbyists who really do sort of create a real sense that the deck -- stack -- the deck is stacked. >> from which she's collecting $2 billion. >> exactly. all right. heather, thank you so much. always great to have you on. coming up next behind the curtain in iran "new york times" bureau chief is here with his new reporting on the country where nothing is as it seems.

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while mr. big mouth is an individual speaking only for himself, he ask share some ideas that in reality almost holds all power. these hard liner a small group of clerics and military commanders are not interested in real change.

actually for help any change from their rigid interpretation of their i'd yoldeology poses great dangers. mr. big mouth is one of their local foot soldiers. [ speaking foreign language ] >> part of the sperlt "new york times" series our man in tehran. and joining us now tehran bureau chief, and also u.s. managing editor of the financial times. great to have you back. >> great to be here. >> so thomas let me begin with you. tehran has always been an extraordinary city in an extraordinary culture with an extraordinary history. but we really saw the split in 2009 that i said at the time oh, my god, there is a red state tehran and a blue state tehran. and 50% of tehran wants the mole out, the other 50% will kill if

they try. >> until that point no one else had seen the let's say it blue state tehran and leaders have been skillful in hiding the social changes that have taken play over the past 30 years. and international media has not paid a lot of attention to it. but iran has undergone tremendous changes. 60% of women are dominating universities. 70% of all iran is under 35 years. these people want to connect to the world, they want to have better relations with other countries. most of all, they want to see change. and they're very different from mr. big mouth. >> but that's always been the case with iran and the iran yanians. i remember talking to u.s. military people who had trained iranians before the '79 revolution, and they talked about how they were some of the best and the brightest that they had ever met some of the most educated and also said that never mistake them for arrows

because they will tell in you a second that they are far, far above culturally and historically. >> i want to ask 24078thomas, is there anyway for you to assess what those younger connected tehran men and women would do in the event that the nuclear negotiations fail? will those people be out in the streets protesting against the regime, demanding iran go back to negotiations? what would be your guess? >> that's a very good question. of course i'm definitely sure that if there will be a deal -- if there will be no deal it will definitely be an end to the status quo as we have seen it now with iran and also he said of the status quo for the rarp iranian people. these people have been hoping dreaming almost of the deal. it doesn't mean that they don't want to see their negotiators succeed in the negotiations.

but still would there be an end to these talks, then what ross spect is left for people sanctions. >> i think a question to ask also is how much impact the sanctions are actually having on the ground. i spent years in that part of the world myself. the picture is much more complex than portrayed in the western media. but the question of whether or not sanctions are really working needs to be asked because certainly many american politicians assume that that's been the big weapon to actually get iran to the negotiating table. to me it's not clear necessarily sanctions really worked. it's really much for did with the social changes going on in the country today which have gone largely ignored. >> and in the first video i make, you see me walking into a supermarket and you can see heinz tomato ketchup, western products. and the shop other than says the sanctions have increased prices

but we can get everything here in iran. so you're hurting not the leaders, but the people. >> the tragic death and government's response was to shut down social media, to shut down that young more progressive. was there any reform that happened after that was there any demand? >> here's the thing. in iran, you can't just take out your phone and go to twitter and facebook. you need to use an illegal software called vpn. once you go online using vpn, you have access. what rowuhani has done people have share their pictures and go on the street and hard liners are afraid of these changes because they might lead to more progress in other things. >> look at what happened in the arab spring to see what has actually happened to powerful

the internet may be as opposed to sanctions. >> thom thomas, thank you. and coming up, richard engel live from italy with a report on the capsized ship. and also senator joe manchin fault as lack of productivity on capitol hill, so why does he want to stay there. we come by almost every day to deliver your mail so if you have any packages you want to return

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many boats are capsizing. >> rescuers are searching for as many as 700 off the coast of libya. >> whether flying conflict or seeking a better life, still they risk all to get to europe. >> the reason people aren't challenging her is because of her qualifications. >> this week hillary clinton will court voters in new hampshire. clinton's strong lead in the polls is making her the main target. >> i want to talk to you about my grandparents who immigrated -- sorry, i have the wrong notes. this is hillary clinton's speech. >> hillary clinton couldn't be here today.

also we didn't ask her. >> i could have sworn i saw hillary's scooby doo van outside. >> when hillary clinton travels, there is one plane for her and her entourage and one for her baggage baggage. i'm concerned the plane with the baggage is getting heavy. >> scott brown let me know hillary clinton will raise $2.5 billion. that's a lot of chipotle my friends. one of few people that actually worked out in the senate gym. everybody else was just there to watch "morning joe". >> you're reporting this they just stand around. >> they all watch the show in the morning. when i was up on the hill they would all say, hey, watched joe this morning. here's why we're upset about something. >> chuck schumer is watching right now. they do just stand up there -- anyway, welcome back tootkck to the show. david i go that i issues in washington still with us. i was up in new hampshire and it

is a fascinating republican field. a lot of really dynamic speakers up there. but on the panel discussion i had, we were talking about foreign policy and foreign policy experience. and it's pretty thin on the republican side. outside of marco who was on the intel committee for four years and i think he's on foreign relations, it's a pretty thin field as far as foreign policy goes. >> it's awakeness weakness, it will be a different kind of republican party, less muscular less of the traditional john mccain lindsey graham. that's the voice we're used to from republicans. this is a different younger crowd. i think there will be a lot of skepticism about iraq and afghanistan from some of these republicans. >> and if lindsey jumps in the race, and we'll be talking to him on the set, if he jumps in then obviously he'll also have a good bit of foreign policy experience.

there were more than a dozen potential official republican candidates that visited the state of new hampshire. they attended the republican leadership summit considered to be the state's unofficial kickoff for the gop primary. it is a great event. the list of speakers varied from governors to senators to business leaders. a guy named trump. but they all shared one common theme, whether they were being serious or trying to get laughs they were arguing why hillary clinton shouldn't be the nation's next president. >> when i listen to this president, people like hillary clinton, i think they have it all backwards. somehow they seem to think the way to grow the economy is to grow washington. >> i think that her dereliction of duty, her not doing her job, her not providing security for our forces for our diplomatic missions should forever pre-clooud her from holding higher office. >> as i was coming up, i was a little bit startled because i could have sworn i saw hillary's scooby doo van outside.

and then i realized it couldn't possibly be that because i'm pretty sure y'all don't have any foreign nations paying speakers right? >> hillary clinton will raise $2.5 billion which that's a lot of chipotle my friends. >> chris christie also focused on his push for entitlement reform. politico says it showed christie is down, but far from out in the race for 2016. >> there are ways that we can put our fiscal house in order in this country and we need to. and everybody who is considering running for president of the united states should have to answer for you what they will do regarding the cost of entitlement programs in our country and how they will make it fair for everybody. i didn't run for governor of new jersey to be elected prom king. i'm not looking to be the most popular guy in the world. i'm looking to be the most respected one. and the way you do that is to put forward real ideas. >> kasie, you were up there for

quite some time. tell us about chris christie. >> i think if anything, he's almost trying to replicate the straight talk express that sent john mccain to the top in this primary in 2000. he's made that his tag line i'm going to tell to you like it is. he started down that road with the two town hall meetings. everyone i talked to said it is a bad idea at this point to count him out. this is the kind of thing, the kind of state that will respond to that kind of campaigning. we were also talking earlier, i think we saw senator cruz i think he is also somebody who might do unexpectedly well in new hampshire. he got a great response in that room. many of them conservatives, activists. he also went to a gun range as he was campaigning on sunday. i talked to him ahead of hillary clinton's visit about where or not he'd like to see a woman president. >> do you think it's time for a woman president? >> i think it is time for a president who follows the constitution and defends liberty. and i think it is a far less

consequence whether he or she is male or female or black or white or hispanic or green, yellow or purple. it is a very easy argument to make -- >> to say to our daughters. >> what is this. >> because of the principles he stands for. if you listen to the first sentence, it doesn't matter if you're a woman, a man of, of any race. what important is what kind of a leader you are. >> so i was impressed. she jumped right in there and she was the only spouse of a candidate i saw campaigning up there with him in new hampshire, she spent two days with him up there. she was standing behind him at the gun range wearing a hat that said armed and fabulous. >> wow. i've got that same hat. so i want to follow up nicolle, with something that you know a lot about. if you actually -- if you want to tick off new hampshire voters count somebody out. john mccain 2007 his campaign collapsed. he wasted so much money.

he was out of it. and i said this at the time in 2007. i was coming back up "morning joe" had just started and i was running to the airport, high dad said hey, joey don't count out mccain. that's what new hampshire voters always say. >> and i think we spend -- when christie was sort of at his low point with the media during bridgegate, i wouldn't call that a low point with voters because the media always took that more seriously than the voters did. but the bridgegate scandal, we sat the around here and this was a low point with the "new york times," too, we talked about them being from mars and that did not disqualify him in the mind of republican primary voters. and i think what you see on the trail is the more competent candidate. i hate the term finding his voice, but he knows his voice and his mind. and i think he's already helping the race by being the adult in the room. entitlement reform is a huge issue. not the sexsexiest, but new

hampshire voters can handle the straight talk. >> if you were a republican and you were a small government republican like myself, i got into politics because of deficits and debt, and you look at what is happening over the next 20, 30 years, medicare medicaid social security to a lesser degree are the only games in town. as far as -- you can talk about cutting npr, you can talk about cutting all these other things. it just at the end of the day doesn't matter. you have to reform those two entitlement programs. and i wonder whether chris christie's problems have put him in position where he has to go for broke and do what all the other candidates are not doing and that is tell the truth about our fiscal house. >> and it's not just that. he's staking his campaign on taking on these huge issues with a lot of down side, too. it's very easy to get into a bad place with voters and be demagogued. he'll say, look these are the big issues for the country. i'm going to focus on them. and it's a path for him to say,

look i'm serious. >> let's go really quickly, david ignatius, on the entitlement reform. ers kin bowles talks about medicare and med dade by itself over the next five to ten years will take every dime, every --kin bowles talks about medicare and med dade by itself over the next five to ten years will take every dime, every -- every bit of money that comes into washington, d.c. in the forms of taxes, fees you name it it will all go for these two programs. and it's surreal to be having a national conversation like we are now with 437 presidential candidates and only one is talking about medicare and head kad medicaid. >> he may force other republicans to take on the hard issues. if he gets resonance by talking about what the country has to do to break out of logjam i think others will have to field. he's right in focusing on medicare and medicaid. he's right in saying that if you

look long term as obama says, you have to bend the cost curve down. it's one thing that obamacare wants to be doing but isn't doing very effectively. christie is talking about taking it the next step. >> there is a new q poll just out in new jersey that shows chris christie's approval rating is 38%. that's his lowest score since becoming governor. and if proven, he's ordered the closing of the george washington bridge, help 34% of the voters say he should be removed from office, 29% removed and prosecuted, 29% say an apology would be sufficient. we'll see what will be happening when the other shoe drops. but i did hear somebody who is smart say this weekend that when somebody runs for president, their numbers in their home state usually drop until they start winning. and then suddenly hey, the home team is ahead. >> but there is a reason for the poll numbers.

the economy in new jersey still sucks. and this is what undercuts the message. i'm all for somebody being an adult and talking about entitlement reform although i would challenge you to tell me when a president has led with entitlement reform and won. >> well, nobody does it any more. >> that's not true but -- >> who has? >> put that aside and ask the question whether this message of entitlement reform how that sits with the new jersey fiscal situation where the state's been downgraded eight times in the last couple years. >> i'm not here defending chris christie. i will say, though chris christie -- that's like if lehman brothers had survived attacking the person that replaced dick fold. he inherited a mess. he's made a lot of really tough decisions and he's also taken some short cuts. >> over one term. it's his mess now. and also his pension reform is not unfolding the way it was supposed to. >> you say it's his mess.

this is a generational problem. there has been one bad deal made with public unions after another bad deal. republicans have done it, democrats have done it. and now it's coming due on his watch. >> it's often the problem that the deal isn't bad, but that politicians won't put the money in that they promised in the deal for years and years and years. a then it goes back. >> i'm just point to going to a political problem. this is a delicate issue to run on in general. and to make those arguments when your state's economy is still not doing well, that's what that is about. >> i think it's about -- i totally disagree with you. the core of his message and his political identity is i'll tell you what you need to hear whether it's popular or not. the poll numbers work perfectly with his message. you may not like what i have to say, but it's ugly, stinky turd in the punch bowl. will you win?

i don't know. but -- i'm just saying there is allege a politician who tells you the stinky truth and is respected for doing so. he may not win by telling you the truth, but i think it is always a political asset to be the guy in the room who isn't watching his political high too carefully and isn't afraid to raise the things that rpts thass that aren't popular. >> should be his campaign slogan. i'll tell you the stringky truth. >> and a turd in every punch bowl. >> democrats are cheering this. they're listen saying it will be so easy to run against that if he wins. i think that the reason he's going so far so fast is because he had to do something. he's so far back. this is a bold set of proposals to make and i would also point out to some of the republicans in the rest of the field who still keep saying oh, i can't answer your question because it's hypothetical christie did that for months and he's finally

starting to put meat on those policy bones despite not being an official candidate. i think we're past the phase where you can -- >> that is the one thing i said there were a lot of candidates that were impressive, and they were but they didn't talk specifics. we have no idea what they stand for other than they're against hillary clinton and they're against barack obama. and you are right, chris christie may break out in the field earlier if he actually says this is what i stand for, will is what i believe in. and again david ignatius, it shouldn't be that difficult or that gutsy to actually tell the truth. this is not about politics or ideology. this is about simple basic arithmetic. >> the person who will be a good president for the united states with the mess that we've got is the person who can tell the truth, say difficult things and get them accepted. i do think if the rest of the republican field spends all its time banging on hillary clinton you'll have a snow white and the

seven dwarfs thing where they're running around and she's all along on the democratic side. and that is an opportunity for christie. if he keeps talking not attacking clinton but talking about the problems that will be needed for the next president to govern, that will be a strong message. >> let's talk about an issue we brought up early last hour. and that is of course conflict in yemen, conflict across the middle east, the nuclear talks. you suddenly have saudi arabia, egypt, uae stepping up and doing what i've been saying for a long time actually starting to fight their own are wars instead of getting 19-year-old kids from kansas. that's something we can salute. unfortunately, the new york times is reporting there is a darker side of this that the white house is easing restrictions and it's become more willing to let arab states purchase advanced weapons again that's something that i would support, too. but saudi arabia is using f-15 fighter jets from boeing uae using f-16s from lockheed

martin. the country also expected to wrap up a deal soon to use predator drones for spying operations. u.s. defense industry officials say they expected ones within days for thousands of weapons from several arab countries fighting isis. i like what is happening underneath this countries stepping up and not just riding on our shoulders. at the same time, it's not so great for america's image that there are u.s. companies making millions and millions of dollars over will chaos in the middle east. >> they're saying in their actions and demands for additional weapons we'll take care of more of our security. if you want to help us, great. the thing that worries me is in a world where isis is just rolling across borders, the threat to saudi arabia really an external military threat or is it an internal subversive threat.

if it's the latter f-35s, f-15s they don't help you very much in dealing with those cells of young people who are use being the internet to join this extremist group and begin posing a threat to security inside these countries. so i hope they have a balance. they do need to do something about the collapse of yemen. but they shouldn't forget about keeping things at home solid and coherent. >> but if they don't buy it from us, they will buy it from somebody else, right? >> that's always the -- yes that's always the argument. our weapons do happen to be so much better than anybody else's that they would much rather have ours is the truth of the matter. all right. still ahead on "morning joe," her name is perhaps forever linked to the war in iraq. we have former "new york times" reporter judith miller she joins us with what she calls a mistake that led to the u.s. invasion. and plus just last month joe manchin said this on "morning

joe". >> senator manchin, will you run for governor in west virginia? >> and actually get something done? >> well, mika that's still up in the air. we're going to have y'all down to the boat and sit and make this decision. >> that's a yes. >> can we campaign for him? >> i'd love to. we'll campaign for you. >> campaign for or against you whatever helps you the most. >> i hear his boat is awesome. i want it got to go on his boat. >> where did you hear that? just out of curiosity. >> around the water cooler. >> sure sounded like a yes. so what made him decide to run for lee election in the senate? we have the senator here to answer that question next.

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turning thousand to what could become the mediterranean's deadliest migrant tragedy in history, search efforts continue after a ship capsized over the weekend on the way to europe. with us now from italy, richard engel. richard, it looks like an epic

tragedy. tell us what happened. >> reporter: it's being described as potentially the worst disaster of its kind in the mediterranean. it happened over the weekend. a ship overpacked carrying migrants made a distress call. it was only about 17 miles from the libyan coastline. there were many people on deck, many people below deck. and after the ship made its distress call a cargo ship was dispatched near to see if it could provide any kind of assistance. when the people on board, the my grant migrants saw it coming toward them, they not it was coming to their rescue and they ran to the side of the ship to make themselves visible. but when they went to that side of the ship, the ship catchpsized

and went down. this is where survivors are supposed to be brought. they are still on their way. not many bodies have been recovered, not many survivors have been recovered. but hundreds are feared dead. >> richard engel, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. now to capitol hill we have member of the armed services committee joe manchin of west virginia, he's with us. so you're doing it again. you are going to go out and spend your days staring at grass and watching it grow. why? >> joe, if we're going to change this country, we're going to change it right here. and it will have to be all of us working together. i had to make a tough decision in 2010 when then senator byrd passed away and we had the state in good shape. i was the governor at that time and it was a job i truly thought was fulfilling. brought people together, put the state first, put politics second, made things happen. i thought we can bring that

common sense approach. it's been more challenging than i thought it would be, but i have seen glimmers of hope and i think we can make a difference. we have to make a difference. whether foreign policy and having an energy policy getting our financial house in order and just truly bringing america back to greatness. >> but joe, that sounds great, but you've been trying to get things done. we've talked time and time again over the past five six years and it's been one frustration after another. what is the biggest thing you've been able to achieve on capitol hill? >> i think bipartisanship 37 if you look at one thing we've achieved, we have the greatest drug problem in the world right now. west virginia is 34r5igplagued by prescription drug abuse. we were able to change vicodin and lortab from a schedule 3 to schedule 2. which will save millions of

lives. so i can see one little movement here that i can change and hopefully save a lot of americans' lives. >> let me ask you this joe. do you have hopes -- you're a democrat, i'm a republican i've been very critical of my party when i needed to be critical of my party. are you hopeful things meet start working a bit more better now that harry reid is not running the senate? >> harry is a good man. his leadership and the things he thought would work did not. so with that, you just move on. the bottom line is joe, you and i are both americans first. i think we put our country before we put our political party or our politics. that's the way i feel and i think you're the same way. and i think we have more people i just hope they come out and speak about that. the risk we take is doing the right thing and getting defeated. that and he in the too bad. but me walking away i think would be much worse when i have a chance to make the difference. i'm in the middle now. they're looking for somebody in the middle. they need six of me to make something work. >> so you talk about doing the

right thing and being defeated. taking that risk. after newtown, you and i talked an awful lot about how we disagreed with the nra despite the fact they have been our political allies for our entire life. talked about the need for background checks. 90% of americans supported back ground checks and a couple people in the nra's office and washington, d.c. were against it and you caught a lot of flack in your district, ifn. your state. are you going to campaign supporting back ground check sths. >> it makes sense. for me -- it would be easy for me to keep quiet on that coming from a gun cultural state, getting the wrath of anybody. but it made sense. treat me as a gun person that i am, treat me as a law abiding set ven. don't look at me that i've committed the crime just because i own a gun, like to go shooting and hunting. on the other hand i'll make good gun sense decisions. i'm not going to sell to strangers. if i go on the internet i want to know who that person is. that still makes sense.

made sense then makes sense now. >> what do you hear from people in west virginia? certainly again i had 100% rating with the nra, supported me time and time again had a lot of people after newtown when i came out strongly for back ground checks, they all said listen, we've been hunting since five, six years old and we all agree with you, we don't want terrorists or people who have committed sexual assault to be able to walk into a gun show and get a gun. what are you hearing in west virginia? >> i still believe that the people -- basically i'm still an nra member, still life time member. i didn't throw highmy card away. i'm hoping it gets back to gun safety promoting the sport in nature. everything that was good about it. it got caught in big business, you got people in the further side of the right that was pushing them. they're trying to fight and not lose memberships. but the bottom line is i think good honest responsible gun owners are thirsting for someone that will say we'll do it and do

it right. we'll teach our young people how to get involved. it's a sport, it can be family oriented. so many good things about it but we have to do it responsibly. i just hope they don't get driven away. >> so what is the one big issue -- i don't want to make it all about guns. i think it will be fascinating to see what the nra and others do against you. i suspect they will treat you well. but we shall see. but what is the top issue for you, with a will you be campaigning on, the number one issue, no general ramskrn generalities. >> drug abuse. it's killing families. it's basically destroying. i go to schools, 11 12, 13-year-old boys and girls come up and they're crying telling you they can't go on the streets, telling you their family has been decimated because their daddy or mommy got hook ordered on pain pills. this drug culture is killing

america. and definitely number would be killer in west virginia. that's the thing i can do and maybe make a difference. >> something we just don't hear enough about. my son went to the university of alabama and had an extraordinary experience. but over his four years there, he lost maybe five six friends and acquaintances, people at the top of their classes. and it wasn't heroin or anything else it was prescription drug abuse. >> came out of the medicine cabinet. >> came out of their mom and dad's medicinecabinet. >> you don't hear anyone running for president talk about the number one killer in america. and we keep having more powerful drugs. i have two bills right now for try to stop that. and not the just go ahead and pass things through that are killers. they don't need to bring this lethal drugs on the market.

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with us now judith miller author of the new memoir the story, a reporter's journey. it's a great looking book. great story inside of it. and as i said, you suffered for your art. >> just open up the veins and bleed. >> exactly. >> you wrote that before the 2003 invasion, president bush

and other -- tell people that may have forgotten, remind everyone your role in all this. >> well, what this book is really about is journalism. and how much trouble it's in. >> and war. >> it's about war journalism about the efforts of people like me and you to cover the story. and where we get things right and where we get things wrong. and it used to be that we were all entitled to our own opinions. now it seems we're entitled to our own facts. and that's why i wrote this book. >> so with that as the backdrop with a caught my eye is you write that before the 2003 invasion of iraq president bush and other senior officials cited the intelligence community's incorrect conclusions about saddam's wmd and on occasion went beyond them, but relying on mistakes of others and errors in judgment are not the same as lying. >> right. and there is this narrative that is so comfortable that the left will not give up. they lied, people died. as if that is how we got into the war in iraq.

no, it's much more complicated. and there have been a lot of books. but what there haven't been is a book about journalism, what we got right, what we got wrong. and what i've done is i've gone back and tried to take apart that narrative. what became very clear to me was that the people who were the best in the country, the intelligence analysts upon whom we now depend for all our information about iran north korea, pakistan -- >> isis. >> -- isis. they got it wrong. they were right about osama bin laden and so was i when i said he was a threat to this country ten years before he kind of came on our national radar. the same with biological weapons. they were right about a lot of things. they got wmd this iraq wrong. but that's what the president was told and that's the information upon which he made a very difficult decision. but three different commissions have looked at all of the intelligence analysis and talked to the anbhe analysts they found no

pressure they found no indication that anyone lied us into a war. it's worse than that. we got it wrong. >> but this is the thing that shocks me is all the people judging. i went back for one of high bookfof my books and i looked at what every was saying before bush. when bush got into office "new york times" and "post" both said one of the greatest threats bush was going to have to face saddam hussein. you look at what carl levin was saying before bush was president. even after he was president. you look at what one democrat after another. there was a broad consensus. now, the consensus was wrong but there was a broad consensus. and somehow that is forgotten. >> that gets lost. but hillary clinton, joe biden, john kerry, all in favor of the war. >> talking about possible nuclear blast. >> all looking at the same intelligence that the president saw. and let's remember -- >> and the french and russians and chinese. >> but not brochlarack obama.

>> oh, come on. it made a sense in his state senate district to take that position. nobody in the senate, though that ran for president came to the same conclusion. >> and yet people won't let go of that. >> john heilemann, jump in. >> i want to ask you a question about you said will book is about journalism. i want to ask you a question to sum up the totality of your experience at the "new york times". >> all ears here. >> there is certainly a perception that after a point that among a lot of your colleagues that you had ceased to be a reporter and have become an doctoridealog and made your life uncomfortable. just talk about that, about what it was like to go through a process whereby not only your sources got questioned, but also that you had become a cheerleader for war, that you were a tool of the administration. >> right. i think that was the hardest

part. that's why it took so long to write this book. all of a sudden rather than the paper saying hey, we published what we knew at the time the paper kind of panicked. and they said we have to find someone to blame for this. there must be a lack of skepticism rather than there was a consensus and everyone believed it. and so they turned around and they highlighted the pushy woman i think, there is still some of that in some of our institutions. but i think it was just a question of panic. it wasn't the paper's finest hour. i'm not score settling here. i think the "times" is an indispensable institution at a time when there are too few facts around. but this was a terrible moment and what they did to me after i had gone to jail gop to jail for 85 days for the first amendment, because the panic that set in over not staying in jail even longer --to jail for 85 days for the first amendment, because the panic that set in over not staying in jail even

longer -- >> specifically who is responsible? >> i think the leadership of the paper. high my colleagues a lot understood and have defended me and said what happened was very unfortunate. and unfair. the public editor of the paper said it was inaccurate and unfair to blame me for the paper. harold raines and gerald boyd who is now dead first african-american to be in senior leadership at the "times," they won seven pulitzers. all-time record. they weren't even asked about what they tried to do to vet the stories that appeared in the "new york times" before the paper announced that it had not been sceptical enough. that's just not true. we were all plenty skeptical. >> so we have to go to nick because thick works at the times. >> oh, really? another "new york times" person at the table? >> so many of us. >> i'd like you to ask judith a question. >> it feels like an epidemic of

buck passing. the stories were wrong. the paper did defend you when you were on trial. >> absolutely. >> if i had a story and it was wrong -- >> i said that. what i wanted to do was go back. it's there. what i want to do is go back and show how and why the sources and i got it wrong and the "times" wouldn't let me do that. that is what is rep pre-henceable. you have to correct the record which is why i wanted to -- >> george tenant got to do after the 9/11 report. >> and that's why i went back to look at my own testimony in the scooter libby trial. that was something i got genuinely wrong. and i want to always go back and correct the record. if we don't do that, we're not doing our jobs. >> we'd love for you to come back. we have a lot more to talk about. we can bring nick back as well, and just start right there. but we'd love for you to come back. >> congratulations on the book. i'm glad you wrote it. >> i'm glad i did, too. >> thanks so much. book of a reporter's journey. judith miller your husband is

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last 030 days not him personally, but the system when all hope is lost than he did in 78 years of his life. >> and all we're trying to say is you have to respect your dad's wishes. and to know your dad's wishes you have to have that uncomfortable conversation. >> by the way, my dad was saying he was ready to go. he had suffereded enough. so it wasn't even him saying give me everything you have to keep me alive. but we are sort of going into overdrive whether patients want to keep suffering or not. >> that's because we don't have any organized effort to put in place advanced planning documents. you have one document in one state and then dad moves to another state. the document doesn't follow him. makes no acceptssense. plan i think will get a lot of attention this time. basically says let's do three things. one, we're the only industrial conversation in the world that hasn't had this conversation. and we have a system right now that says to a doc go ahead for

your dad and perform those 15 have a ordinary additional services, and we'll pay you, but we're not going to pay you as a doc to actually sit down with the patient the family members the priest rabbi, whomever and have a conversation to say when it comes to that point, what do you want. if you want it all, you ought to have it all. but if you top want to be resuscitate that had fourth time, should you haveyou is should have that wish respected. and if you put that document together and dad or mom moves from one state to another, let that document follow. this is something i've been passionate about, but we didn't get it right in my own family. my mom had alzheimer's for 11 years. thine year nine years she didn't speak. so trying to convince my dad to let my mom go was something that was a challenge. >> i was going to say, how is the advance in end of life care made this problem more urgent? we're able to keep people alive

at the end of their lives for lon longer and longer. is this a more urgent problem now? >> it is a growing problem. with the advantage of outliving all the actuarial stables s tables, how do we want to exit this life. and again what we've worked with a lot of religious groups to say this is not about restricting choices, this is about expanding choices and honoring people's wishes. and what we found as joe mentioned, there was a lot of demagoguery going on by sarah palin with so-called death panels scaring the electric outheck out of a lot of people. every one of us has a family story where we've seen this happen. this is the kind of common sense logical step that even congress ought to be able to look at. >> are you seeing that though in the politics of this has that worn off? that was incredibly alarmist, probably set back what is the most universal challenge facing

sort of our politics. >> it was remarkable that most of the leaders in the congress on this issue had been republicans prior to ms. palin's comments. and now five years, six years afterwards, people are coming back out. everybody has a story. i think it will be a time -- this will be a time where we can see -- >> have a thoughtful conversation. >> and let me ask you a quick question. hillary clintons headed to new hampshire. in polling over and over again we hear democrats saying they want a economy difference primary, they think there is a lot to discuss about the future for the party. do you think it would be good if she would get a serious challenge? >> whether are martin o'malley, jim webb i'm supporting hillary, going to south care carry next week to speak on her behalf. i think she's ready. i think us having a candidate that has been tested god knows

she's been tested throughout her whole career to bring those skills to the table when we have this well. >> you don't think she needs a more -- maybe more aggressive challenger than the ones -- >> i think the hillary clinton -- hillary clinton just in terms of how she interacts with the media, that's going to always be an ongoing challenge. this is not going to be some easy slide into nomination. she's going to be questioned. she's going to -- you're already seeing the -- 19 is it up to now? 19 republican candidates zero a lot of their action in on her. one of the things i think we've got to grapple with is at the end of the day our political system right now is pretty broken. we have unfettered capitalism versus top-down redistribution. i'm not sure either one of those models work in the 21st century. >> always great to have you here. appreciate you coming in. still ahead, a huge shock in the

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weekend. >> it's not every weekend. >> this is fa cup weekend. 736 teams it's like the minor league teams are fall there, four were left standing wembley, liverpool, red sox owned against aston villa, excleveland browns owner perpetually middle but it was liverpool that struck first. filipe coutinho the wily brazilian, he rides through, 1-0 liverpool. but aston villa took that on the chin. six minutes later benteke charges through, finishes -- >> you're enjoying this way too much. >> i didn't enjoy that. i enjoyed the next part even more when benteke gave aston villa the lead. you loved this didn't you? >> shut up. just shut up. >> and that was it. an absolute shock. this aston villa team they are like the cleveland browns.

they are per pechlpetually failing. >> i love liverpool. >> you're angrier than dennis quaid i'm sure. >> they're like the everton coffees, they here in 25th place, they suck. he only comes here when i'm broken hearted. >> i'm just here to break the news, not to comment or give my subjective thought in any way shape or form. the fascinating part is they play in the final, aston villa against arsenal, at team let's so this go because boston red sox fans will love it. rule number one of football never let bill buckner go in goal. look at this one. >> oh record. >> the beautiful smart aston villa take on arsenal in the fa cup final. two american-controlled teams in britain's jewel of a game first time since 1776 that's ever happened. >> 1776.

[ laughter ] >> and chelsea beat manchester 1 up. >> yes, to kill the hoops of arsenal fans. >> so chelsea winds and man city i can't figure out why they keep doing so poor lift liverly. liverpool -- >> is that your team at the bottom? >> russian-owned team, two american-controlled team and a sheik owned team. you need money. >> he's a bit of a sadist. >> he is. roger, thank you so much for absolutely nothing. >> "men in blazers show" is on nbcsn. senateing up next lindsey graham joins us on set after saying there's a 91.473 chance he's running for president. he was one of a zillion gop contenders in new hampshire taking aim at hillary clinton who heads up to the granite

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>> many boats are capsizing because it is overload ed. >> rescuers searching for as many as 700 migrants off the coast of libya. >> whether seeking a better life of fleeing conflict, they risk all to get to europe. >> the reason people aren't challenging her is because of her qualifications. >> this week hillary clinton will court voters

hampshire. clinton's strong lead in the polls is making her the main target. >> i want to talk to you about my grandparents who emigrated -- i'm sorry, i've got the wrong notes. this is hillary clinton's speech. i'm sorry. >> hillary clinton couldn't be here today -- because we didn't ask her. >> when hillary clinton travel there is will be two planes one for her and her entourage and one for her baggage. i'm concerned that the plane with the baggage is really getting heavy and teetering. >> scott brown tonight letting me know that hillary clinton's going to raise $2.5 billion. that's a lot of chipotle my friends. we miss him in the senate. j imis one of the few people that worked o nut the senate gym. everybody was there to watch "morning joe" on the tv or something. >> welcome back to morning joe 8:00 on the east coast. nicole wallace of "the view" is on set with us. john heilemann of the turkish

prison. also the great kasie hunt once again making history on the political trail. new hampshire was ground zero for the race in 2016s weekend. more than a dozen potential or official republican candidates visited the state. they attended the republican leadership summit in nashua always an absolutely great place to go. it's considered the state's unofficial kickoff for the gop primary and the list of speakers varied from governors to senators to business leaders but they all shared one common theme, whether serious or funny, talking about why hillary clinton should not be america's next president. >> when i listen to this president, people like hillary clinton, i think they've got it backwards. somehow they seem to think the way to grow the economy is to grow washington. >> i think her dereliction of duty her not doing her job, her not providing security for our forces, for our diplomatic missions should forever preclude her from holding higher office.

>> as i was coming up i was a little bit startled because i could have sworn i saw hillary's scooby do van out side. [ laughter ] and then i realized it couldn't possibly be that because i'm pretty sure y'all don't have any foreign nations paying speakers right? >> hillary clinton's going to raise $2.5 billion which -- that's a lot of chipotle my friends. >> and governor chris christie focused on his push for entitlement reform in his speech. politico says his performance shows he's down but far from out and i have to tell you, that's whey heard time and time again up there. chris christie, i wrote about in the february in politico i say it today, it's too early to rule this guy out. >> there are ways that we can put our fiscal house in order this country and we need to and everybody who's considering running for president of the united states should have to answer for you what they're

going to do regarding the cost of entitlement programs in our country and how they'll make it fairer for everybody. i didn't run for governor of new jersey to be elected prom king. i'm not looking to be the most popular guy in the world. i'm looking to be the most respected one and the way you do that is to put forward real ideas. >> kasie hunt we have so many things to talk about. let's start with chris christie. i asked and the panel asked a lot of people whether they believe that chris christie was out of it and what they've been hearing, what i heard was that chris christie actually surprised a lot of people and there are people that are giving him a second look. what do you hear? >> i think that's right, joe. you need to look at the schedule of events he did outside of that forum. he held two town hall meetings i asked him what was different between new hampshire and new jersey. he said i can't really tell you yet but i'm going to be here enough times -- he's done over a hundred town halls in new jersey, he's done with in new hampshire. but i think that's what you're looking at as far as the

strategy from chris christie. look, it's a strategy tried in new hampshire before and it's worked. these voters who pay such close attention, they are going to give that i mean opportunity, that listening. if he really puts in the effort i don't think that we can count him out of this at this point. i mean as you saw, this field is so wide open. there is plenty of chance for him to break through. >> i've heard a lot of people talk about how wide open it was. i saw it first hand up there. chris christie, a lot of people talking about christie. ted cruz delivered a speech that had people standing. they were standing when he came in, they were standing when he left. rand paul also very strong performance. marco rubio right now a rock star. he's just in praeb circumstancerepublican circles that guy is the rock star at least of the moment. three weeks ago it was scott walker who was the rock star of the moment but he is still, nicole, scott walk we are, very popular, marco rubio very

popular, rand paul up there, very popular, ted cruz very popular. chris christie very popular. and we haven't even talked about jeb. >> yeah, listen. it's very good problem and it doesn't -- it's not zero-sum. it doesn't accrue to our party's benefit and jeb's debt cement that there are so strong candidates out there. i love that chris christie is raising entitlement reform. whether he goes the distance or not, it's hopeful -- it suggests it will be on the side of the adults if we're putting that issue on the table and new hampshire voters the kind of voters that can handle that >> i would say, john right now if you ask me, you know bet jeb versus the field, if i ran one of those british betting services i would -- you know i'd still bet jeb versus the field but i think the more this dynamic stays the same the more

he's in a strange amorphous place where he's ill defined but everybody around him is getting defined. i think it's more of a problem. i don't think he'll stay stationary but i can tell you and i'm sure kasie heard the same thing. nobody up there dislikes him. as pat buchanan would say, his support appears to be a big fat nothing burger. no anger, but no excitement. >> when we did our focus group up there there was a lot of not anger towards him but not that much interest in him among republican voters. a very small sample but there was literally no one in the room interested. i think that's the big question for people in the party which is jeb has the support of a lot of people in the establishment and a lot of donors. the question that you hear a lot of republican -- even people are generally sympathetic to him is what's his base in the party? who's for him throughout?

and now whether it's chris christie or marco rubio or scott walker or even john kasich who's talking about getting in there are a lot of people encroaching on that accomplishment turf and he doesn't have that turf locked down and there's strong people in are going to be making a move on that turf putting aside the anti-establishment bracket. . so i'm not sure i'd bet jeb against the field right now. >> and here's why i would. because it always happens early and i wrote about this i guess in last cycle in a column called "crazy never wins." these guys aren't crazy. i talked about my dad. my dad, a guy who loved nixon, a guy who voted for nixon four or five times, a guy who voted for reagan, a guy who did not really gave damn what people were writing about in the "national review" he was a republican's republican. >> and not an anti-government, a functional competent government. my dad is anti this government but he wants things to work.

>> i think he was probably more conservative in that he was a small government guy but he was -- he was conservative with the a small "c." we've seen it time and time again in our lifetime where early on people catch attention and then the establishment guys like jeb -- i call my dad a midwest republican because you would always -- you know, they run hot in iowa, they run hot in new hampshire, they run hot in south carolina, they run hot in florida then they take the turn and go to the midwest and guys like jeb suddenly start getting 15%, 20%, 30%. that's the challenge for one of these guys. they need to break out early or else that's going to happen again. >> i saw jeb in a room for of parents and special needs kids busting through bureaucracies and making the state government of florida work for them. jeb needs to show what made him a great governor on the campaign trail. i think the challenge of running as a constituent-free candidate, schick a constituent-free

candidate, i put zbleb that category. you don't -- you're no longer speaking to people who voted for you. you're no longer speaking to people with skin in the game in terms of every decision you make. jeb is not in a position anymore as he was when he was governor to rat it will cages in washington which is where he shines so the next phase of the campaign has to be showing us how he connects with people who have problems with the government. >> if it's possible marco rubio is more experienced than jeb bush at this point. he's been a senator for four years now not a governor for two terms ten years ago. >> well not more experienced, just more current. >> but he's been in the fight lately. the thing with jeb bush it's hard to think of what's his brand right now. it's not clear. all these other guys ted cruz certainly, marco, scott walker had his battles with the unions. i'm not sure what the jeb bush brand is. >> but that's a very pundity comment. >> well, here we are. except for the fact that jeb has

disappeared over the past decade or so. one other thing though that you know -- what i was just talking about going backing to the midwest and the northeast, something you know a lot about is money. one of the reasons why that worked is because the establishment always had the money, you could write a thousand dollar check and guys like romney and mccain and dole were the ones -- now nobody's calling through a desert like they were four years ago where -- newt you know "i'm starving, i'm starving." boom, there's $10 million. >> now a guy like ted cruz. >> ted cruz has $30 million and i hear scott walker will have 30 or 40. >> they'll all have $10 million toll $20 million to $30 million. it's changed everything. ted cruz is said to have had trouble with big donors, right? we were all hearing this. he can't make the sale with these classic republican business guys for a

thousand-dollar checks. it doesn't matter. he can get through that first six months with a super pac and his grass-roots donors and a few more. >> and it looks like he'll do it. $30 million? >> that's more than ted. another story caught our eye. there's the growing number of conflicts in the middle east and the side effects of that. it's leading to a surge in business for american defense contractors and it's causing real concerns about a new arms race. the "new york times" is reporting that the obama administration is easing restrictions and has become more willing to let arab states by advanced weapons. saudi arabia is using f-15 fighter jets from boeing. shiite rebels in yemen. . and the uae is using f-16s from lockheed martin. the company is also expected to use a predator drone for spying operations. and u.s. defense industry officials say they expect orders within days for thousands of weapons for several arab

countries now fighting isis. there is an arms race going on across the middle east and american companies are getting rich off of it. talk about it. let's bring in the "washington post's" david ignatius. david, obviously not the sort of message that america wants to send across the globe that we get rich off of other people's wars and chaos in the middle east. go dig this story for us. tell us what you're looking at. >> the picture of america as arms dealer to the world, especially to the middle east is not an attractive one. in this case it's demand poll from the arab countries. and what's driving this is their anxiety about iran. not about iran's nuclear program but about iran's expanseion into arab count these border them. so saudi arabia, to a lesser extent the uae concerned about

political changes in yemen. small country onned is saudi arabia's border. they're conducting an air war and they want the very best equipment to conduct that war. they want to be able to laze their bombs on top of a target the way the u.s. military can and there's tremendous pressure for the u.s. to supply the most advanced technology. an example is the kind of technology that's used in our drone s drones that makes them so devastating. countries would like to have syndromes. they say "if you won't sell them to us america, we'll buy them from china" which is offering the same arm drone package to countries like saudi arabia and the uae that the u.s. is considering, still holding back from. but we are entering a period that is a kind of an arms race and i worry, i think people in the government worry, that this will only accelerate as we get closer to a nuclear deal with iran. then it will become a nuclear

arms race, the fear is. these countries, saudi arabia, the uae will say we want exactly the same status you've now granted iran in terms of its nuclear program. we want to have the same number of centrifuges running, we want to have the same rules that could make us a threshold nuclear state by ten years from now. so it's an irony that a process that began for president obama about limiting the amount of weapons in the middle east is ending up being a boon to an arms race. >> david, it's an irony but also something every foreign policy expert and yourself would have predicted three or four years ago. we've heard it for the past decade. if iran gets nuclear weapons, saudi arabia's s going to get nuclear weapons. egypt may get nuclear weapons. the uae are going to be seeking nuclear weapons. this is an irony that as my torts professor, professor

pearson would say "you should have seen this coming like a freight train out of the mist." it's coming right at us and he knew this was going to be the result of this. >> just to say one more thing. the wap that president obama has chose on the deal with this arms race is to gather the gulf cooperation council, which is the saudi arabias and the uaes for a meeting and the point of the meeting will be for the u.s. to say "can we give you enough guarantees, enough promises that we'll be there to protect you to keep you from going down this road of ever more arms purchases, proliferation, moving towards being a nuclear state. is there some way we can yes restrain that?" preliminary discussions are going on in the white house today where the leader of the uae is visiting and we'll see over the next week whether there's a chance of slowing down that this run away train. >> still ahead on "morning joe,"

the real life mba business icon jack welch and his wife suzy are here. they'll talk about the no bs guide to winning the game. plus senator lindsey graham joins the table. he has his sights set on hillary clinton and he's not alone. >> you looking for something new? don't look to her. look to the 35 people running for president on the republican side. [ laughter ] >> a good friend of mine joins us in a few minutes. first, here's another good friend. bill what's the forecast looking like? >> i give you one nice weekend then i'm a good friend. let me show you pictures this weekend. horrible storms rolled through the south. not too many tornados but the wind damage was widespread. this beautiful home had beautiful oaks surrounding it and one of them wind timber. we also saw winds damage through areas of alabama and they were strong enough at one point to knock over the train. think of how much that train weighs. that's impressive stuff. let's talk about right now.

horrible morning commute in philadelphia to new york city. they're saying right now up to four-hour delays at laguardia airport. that's a nightmare. and a cold rain in wisconsin. even mixing in with some snow. there's another little storm that doesn't show up too well on the map but this is one that will cause problems as it rotates up through later today. that will bring us severe weather. this period of rain also of course, we got the boston marathon today. it's patriots' day, the red sox game was supposed to take place at 11:00 a.m. as we watch the clock, it looks like the rain will move in for the second half of the marathon. the elite runners will probably finish in the rahm emanuel and that -- rain and that baseball game will be iffy at best. additional storms later today. 44 million people at risk of severe weather, mostly damaging winds. d.c. all the way down through the carolinas. that's enough negative bad weather. let's show you a beautiful pick kwlur the weather will be gorgeous today. sunrise over denver colorado. grm, you're watching "morning joe."

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time to take a look at the morning papers. there are disturbing new details emerging from accounts of those who were rescued in what could become the mediterranean's deadliest migrant tragedy in history. search efforts continue after a ship that carried hundreds of migrants capsized over the weekend on the way to europe. so far, 28 people have been rescued, but one survivor told the police there had been 950 people on board. one survivor said hundreds of passengers had been locked in the hold of the ship by the smugglers on board. by the "washington post," a fence jumper scaled an eight foot fence at the white house

late sunday night making it over on to the south grounds. >> come on! >> an eight-foot fence. >> come on. >> unless he's got, like, that spidey grip thing on his fingers, this is just not -- it's absolutely disgraceful. >> the guy is flying helicopters on to the capitol lawn people jumping over the fence. >> the white house has become -- i don't know what. it's like the least secure place in washington. >> it is the least secure place. >> we all work in buildings and i'm sure new york is different than a lot of places but we all work in buildings that are really hard to get into. i can barely get in here. >> i can't get in here and i've been working for a decade. you can walk straighting into the white house and go "what's up"? >> maybe they could share some tips. >> my gosh. anyway, the suspect was apprehended and arrested taken into custody by secret service. of course that agency has been scrutiny for a number of recent

incidents. this from the "washington post" also, the justice department the fbi have acknowledged nearly every examiner in the fbi's microscopic hair comparison unit gave flawed testimony against criminal defendants for the past two decades. 26 of the 28 examiners in the unit overstated evidence in more than 95% of the trials. those are 268 trials that were review sod far and the "post" is reporting that information from the national association of criminal defense lawyers and the innocence project say they just haven't been telling the truth. the cases include 32 defendants who were sentenced to death. both departments issued a statement vowing to address the cases. where do we even start? where do we even start here? >> that's horrific. just for decades they were just lying about it. that's unbelievable. . in capital case zpls ins. >> in capital cases. >> john heilemann? >> i think there's -- one of the things that's happened over the

course of the last 20 years or so as we've seen over and over again that is flaws in the system of how capital cases get prosecuted, this happens at the state level and the federal level. for people who are against the death penalty in general, the moral arguments are now being buttressed to the extend that you believe -- that you give credence to moral arguments are buttressed bety scientific arguments that a lot have turned out to be flawed and it's creating a movement on an empirical bases that the argument against capital cases is againsting stronger for this reason if not others. >> sadly you can't trust the goth prosecutors because their focus is prosecuting and putting people in jail. >> well the inverse, the conservative argument the same government that handles the irs is going to handle a capital case, right? you can't trust it. coming up next so you're saying there's a chance? lindsey graham is 91% sure he's going to jump into the presidential race. he joins us to explain those

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hadn't. well they said carly fiorina was going to run, so i said i'm a leader i will run. i have to put the financing together. sort of goes like this exceed expectations in iowa finish in the top tear in new hampshire, win south carolina and by then i think three or four people are left. and i'd be one of those three or four. >> so the question then is are you what some people say you are, just sort of a heat-seeking missile and the heat is rand paul? that you're going out there just to make his life a living and breathing hell? >> no. [ laughter ] >> as you laugh at the thought of it all. >> i like rand. >> do you like rand? >> totally, we play golf together. we did a social security reform

bill. we did a medicare reform bill. >> but you think his foreign policy is disastrous. >> yes. >> okay, explain that. >> well, rand is a libertarian. he has a view of the world that i don't share. he said we shouldn't have any troops in iraq. he agreed with obama, that was a disaster. when there was a chance to do something constructive about syria with the no-fly zone he said we don't need one. generally speaking he's been more wrong than right. he has an isolationist view of the world that i don't share and i like him but he's his father's son. >> so what should we have done two years ago in syria when we still could have done something in syria? should we have sent troops? >> we should have done what everybody on the national security team of president obama advised. do a no-fly zone arm the free syrian army and take a side. you'll never fix syria without a side being gone because the sunni arabs are not going to tolerate assad being in charge. a puppet of the iranians.

it's about to take jordan and lebanon down. so those that think syria is an internal conflict doesn't understand how syria affects the middle east. >> what about libya? did we make a mistake going into libya? >> we made a mistake not following up. >> so going into libya was fine? >> yeah, because the people -- qaddafi, you i don't miss him. he was a bad actor on the world stage for a long period of time. the people in libya said we want you gone so what's our policy as americans? good luck, sit on the sidelines and get slaughtered? we wrote an op-ed piece, me john mccain, mark kirk and marco rubio in october of 2011 saying you need to help the libyan army defend these militias, the islamic groups got 10% at the ballot box, the libyan people are not radical islamists nor are the syrian people so this whole idea their problems are their problems makes no sense because radical islam is trying to kill us not because we went into libya and iraq but because

we don't agree with their religion. >> so was the middle east a more stable, secure place, was the world a more secure place when -- you brought up qaddafi. when qaddafi was in power, saddam hussein was in power and assad was in power? >> i don't think so. >> because none of these conflicts were going on. in qaddafi were still alive we would haven't libya in a state of anarchy would we? >> well here's what i say. radical islam is not a grievance about us supporting dictators. we were hit on september 11 2001. qaddafi was in power, saddam hussein was in power, we didn't have one soldier in afghanistan, not one penny of aid, not even an embassy. so to those who think we brought this on ourselves, you don't understand what al qaeda and those people are trying to do. >> right. >> this is a religious war. they're trying to purify their religion. they're trying to create a caliphate in the middle east destroy israel and come after us. >> you know i could talk to you

for like eight hours on this and would love for you to come back but i have to turn it over to another table. >> i don't buy the construct we brought this on ourselves. >> i have to say this though. one of the biggest lies and i think it shows total ignorance of the history of radical islam going back 50 60 70 years is that they hate us because of 9/11 or they hate us because thofr that or the other. liberals always mock conservatives when they said they hate us for our freedom. you know why they hate us? they hate us for our freedom. ayatollah khomeini hated us for our freedom. they said as much. that's one thing larry reporting live from in "the looming towers" talks about. >> you know who they hate more than me or you? people in their own religion who disagree with them. >> it isn't just a war on the west, it's a war on islam, inside of islam even more in the west. mark halperin.

>> senatethe party is shopping for somebody who can beat hillary clinton. you and hillary clinton i believe it's fair to say are close personal friends. how can the party trust you to ferociously take her on and make you their nominee if you're close friends with her? >> well that would disqualify jeb because apparently bill is like his illegitimate brother. at the end of the day -- >> by the way, you just made news, thank you, keep going. >> the bottom line is there used to be a day in american politics where you could like people and say you're going to take the country one way, i'm going to take it another way, you're not a bad person i just disagree with you. i don't dislike hillary clinton. i think she's the third term of barack obama. i think she's the architect of failed foreign policy. her and bill did a better job of selling obamacare than he did. so to me if we can get a qualified nominee, she loses because she represents a failed presidency. she was part of it. >> isn't it true though, that your foreign policy is much

closer, john mccain's as well, to hillary clinton's view of the world than rand pallul's view of the world. i always say hillary clinton in effect was the only neocon in the obama administration. >> all i can say about hillary clinton is that her view of russia was misguided. >> right. >> i can only say that she apparently -- >> but what about on intervention, though? if you had to pick -- >> my view of foreign policy -- >> or rand paul's? >> well i'm closer to anybody who believes that we should lead not from behind but from the front but she supported a leading from behind president. but here's your point. rand paul is one step behind leading from behind. so yes, even obama is more aggressive. obama believes you can kill walk anwar al awlaki without getting a court order. obama believes you can hold unlawful enemy combatants at gitmo without a criminal trial. so rand paul is behind obama, not just hillary clinton. . >> senator, i want to take you

back to politics also. i'm curious. south carolina has prided itself for many years on picking republican president republican presidents, but it got a little hiccup with newt gingrich in 2012. >> a guy we know and love. >> we love newt. >> clearly. >> we have an interesting past with newt. >> it's very deep. very complicated? >> newt can get over a lot. >> by the way, i was going to say, the guy, seriously, he's got that bill clinton thing where he has no memory. go ahead. >> aside from you, who is capable of winning south carolina in 2016? >> i think jeb would do well. the bushes are well liked. anybody who wins new hampshire other than a mitt romney and i like mitt romney but he would never play i don't think chris christie would go from new hampshire to south carolina. marco would. anybody that wins new hampshire is going to do pretty well in south carolina. don't discount how new hampshire

affects south carolina but marco, jeb, they there are several people that can do well. >> lindsey graham, thank you so much for being with us. come back again, i'd love to talk about not only presidential politics and foreign policy but south carolina charleston, what happened in boeing this past week. looking pretty good. >> big deal. i remember when i first met joe, i said "joe, you will have your own cable show one day." and this was before cable. [ laughter ] 1924. >> thank you so much, lindsay. what happened in baltimore in the time between a man was arrested and ended up in a coma dying allegedly from injuries he received while in police custody. we have the mayor of baltimore with us next with the latest on the investigation in our city.

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because it's your actions that describe how you feel about it if you're a city official not your words. or we're tired of the words and we want to see action. we want to see fair compensation for victims of police brutality. and we want to see a fair response with an impartial investigation, not the cops investigating themselves. >> that's the lawyer of -- for the family of the baltimore man who died yesterday one week after allegedly suffering severe spinal injuries while he was in police custody. part of the incident was caught on cell phone video released by the family's attorney. 25-year-old freddy gray is seen talking and barely able to walk as officers put him inside a van. police say they arrested him after he fled from an area known for drug dealing. a couple drops later a van stopped and a witness says gray was taken out and put on the pavement where police then shackled his ankles. now the question is what happened when the cameras were

not rolling. the family's attorney says his spine was 80% severed at the neck, he lapsed into a coma twice before dying yesterday. with us now, we have mayor stephanie rawlings blake of baltimore. thank you for being with us, mayor, and mark halperin of bloomberg has the question. mark? >> mayor, as i understand it, you've not always been a supporter of having body cameras on your force. why not and should that happen now in the wake of this? >> well i think you have absolutely incorrect information. i've been a proponent of body cameras. i've talked about it on this show. i've been a proponent, however, open getting it right. we've seen in other jurisdictions around the country where there's been a rush to implementation and it's cost taxpayers millions of dollars. we don't have that type of money to waste and we don't have -- this is not an issue where we can afford to get it wrong. my commitment has always been to make sure that we get body cameras, police body cameras

right for baltimore. that's always been my position. >> mayor, with all due respect, i understand you support it in the abstract but it's not been implemented yet, i understand it's got to be studied. >> the rfp is about to go out for the body cameras and we'll implement the pilot program this week. >> how long until officers will have them there? how long until all officers have them in your jurisdiction of your city? >> again, my track record is very clear, we studied it so we could put out an rfp that works for baltimore. my commit system to get the pilot program up and running this year. again, while i think it might be -- we could rush but then we could also be wasteful. we've seen in other jurisdiction where there's been a rush to implementation and it's cost taxpayers dearly. my commitment is to get that this right, that's what we're doing. >> mayor, what happened in this latest case with freddie gray? >> that's what the -- the questions we are asking now.

i am very determined to get to the bottom of this incident and to hold those who need to be held accountable accountable. i've instructed the police department to work in full cooperation with the state's attorneys office to do this investigation and we have already indicated that we will also have independent eyes take a look at. this this is not the first time that i have asked for independent review so we could make sure that we are getting this right for the people. we can't just depend on -- as the attorney for mr. gray says you know, the police looking at the police and we don't depend on that. i have repeatedly asked for outside eyes to take a look at how we do things including fighting for the department of justice to partner with us to come in to collaborate, to take a look at our policies our procedures, the way we engage so we can make sure we're getting it right for the public. >> have you spoken to the dead man's family? mr. gray's family? >> i have not directly spoken to

them. many people have my administration have and we have a meeting that we -- we are in the process of setting up a meeting with the family. again, this is just -- understand that this -- >> it's happened fast. >> it just happened yesterday. >> i totally understand. just checking. have you had a chance to speak to the police chief yet and ask him or her what happened? >> it's him. i've talked to commissioner bats i've talked to his team. the investigation is still ongoing. that's why we have to be so careful because every -- i understand the obligation and i believe in that responsibility for transparency but i also have an obligation to make sure that this investigation is done right. i don't want to be in a position where we have officers because of information that is prematurely put out to the public, they have a chance to then fix their account to what they've mean? the public. we have to protect the -- there investigation. so we can hold those who need to be held accountable accountable. >> so we're talking about a

severed spine here it could have happened one of many ways and that was rp what the family said. have you heard any suggestion the police officers had the suspect in a choke hold or did anything that may have led to a severed spine? >> we don't have any of those -- i have not heard any of those details. and that's why i said we are still until the investigation stage. but nothing like you've mentioned has been mentioned. >> so we found this after the eric gardener case that a choke hold was used. it's illegal in new york. is it illegal in baltimore. >> i believe so but i don't even know what we're talking about here. that's why it's important not to speculation. we need to make sure we get the information. and i'm really working hard to overcome this very challenged history that we have in baltimore where the trust issues between the community and the police. i thought -- the session just

ended in annapolis, the legislative session, i went down there and fought hard and stood up to very powerful public safety lobby to try to level the playing field when officers are accused of wrongdoing. i'm not a leader who sits back and tries to brush things under the carpet or kick the can down the road. i'm on the forefront. we've been out, we've been fighting for more transparency we have police settlements -- settlements against the police department now online. like i said i fought for tougher laws against officers accused of wrongdoing. it's frustrating when we work so hard when it feels like we're taking two steps forward. in this case five steps back. we talk about this incident. >> we have kasie hunt who has a question. >> mayor you mentioned the feelings of trust between the police and the community. i'm wondering, do you feel as though african-americans are adequately represented on your police force?

have you done anything to try to address that? >> we've certain live have a police department that is much more representative of the population than others around the country but i also feel that we can continue to do more. with whether it's the police department or the fire department, we are very aggressive in our efforts to diversify the departments as well as make sure that there are more of us from baltimore who are in those departments. the fire department has a very strong track record of that as well as the -- ongoing efforts as well as the police department and to make sure the leadership reflects the community. community panels are used for promotions in both the fire department and in the police department. so the community's voice can be heard. >> all right. baltimore mayor stephanie rawlings-blake. we appreciate you coming on. i know it's a difficult time for you and the entire city and especially, of course, the family. thank you so much for being with us. we will be right back.

sunday marked the 20th anniversary of the deadly oklahoma city bombing. i can't believe it's been 20 years. a terrible terrible moment in american history. hundreds gathered at the site of the 1995 blast this weekend to remember the 168 victims that were lost in the largest act of domestic terrorism in the united states before 9/11. former president bill clinton

spoke about the city's resilience in the wake of that terrible terrible tragedy. >> in the face of tragedy, evil and loss there are only two things that always remain that can never be taken away -- your mind and your heart. we must decide what to do with them no matter what happens. oklahoma city, you have chosen well. >> family members closed that ceremony with a reading of the names of all those who lost their lives on that terrible april day. coming up next, what if anything, did we learn today? more dangerous storms throughout the day today but the damage is adding up from over the weekend.

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his foreign policy than rand paul. that's -- >> quite a hit at rand paul. >> we learned he can balance comedy and national security like nobody's business. >> we knew that. you talked about his catskills act in new hampshire. >> secretary of fun. >> if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around "the rundown" is coming now. one two three. . thank you. good morning i'm craig melvin in for jose diaz-balart. it's a nastys in a nasty, rainy monday at 30 rockefeller. a marathon monday in boston massachusetts. developing right now on "the rundown," more questions in the death of freddie gray, he's the man who died sunday a week after being arrested by baltimore police. nbc obtained this video of the incident from gray's family attorney. just moments ago the mayor of baltimore was on "morning joe" and said she is determined to hold people